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Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Pit Talk, a Fox Sports and

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Speaker 1: Speed Cafe Formula one podcast. On today's episode, Ferrari takes

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Speaker 1: it's second one two of the season, with charl Leclair

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Speaker 1: leading Carla Science back into Constructors Championship contention, and Max

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Speaker 1: Vestappen beats Lando Norris to third in a controversial finish

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Speaker 1: to the race that's put the Briton's outside title hopes

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Speaker 1: on the brink. My name's Michael Lamonado, motorsport writer for

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Speaker 1: Fox Sports Australia. It's great to have your company and

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Speaker 1: the company of my co host from Speed Cafe. After

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Speaker 1: watching the United States Grand Prix, he's fully prepared to

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Speaker 1: support Liam Lawson's bid for Australian citizenship.

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Speaker 2: It's Matt Gosh, I've already got the hat. And for

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Speaker 2: those that don't get the joke, in the La Motorswat

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Speaker 2: Festival vouchery, Botas was there and we indoctrinated him as

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Speaker 2: an Australian by presenting him with a hat with a kangaroo.

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Speaker 2: In fact that Michael can see one just serve my

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Speaker 2: shoulder here. So yeah, we'll get a hat printed. We

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Speaker 2: might even get a stuffed sep put in like an

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Speaker 2: Australian cricket shirt because cricket's not at the Commonwealth Games

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Speaker 2: or any make up for that, and we'll just fully

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Speaker 2: embrace him. We'll even wearing songs heading down to Bunnings

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Speaker 2: for a sanger and onions in in in no times,

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Speaker 2: it'll be no workers, mate.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I do like that. You are the one man

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Speaker 1: who has formed converting drivers to Australian.

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Speaker 2: Impressive stat Yeah, no worry should we right?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? I like it a lot. But look if you're

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Speaker 1: worried no cricket the Comonwealth Games. I believe it's at

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Speaker 1: the Olympics, isn't it so even bigger stage, so something

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Speaker 2: There you go, but yeah, not by the sport.

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Speaker 1: But anyway, no, I like that's a different, different discussion.

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Speaker 2: Move seamlessly, on quickly, quickly.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, Now United States Grand Prix forming on was

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Speaker 1: back after a second mid season break for the first

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Speaker 1: of the final six rounds of the season to decide

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Speaker 1: both titles. And we're one race into the first triple header,

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Speaker 1: which will take us to Mexico this weekend and then

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Speaker 1: zill the weekend after, and all the news was saved

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Speaker 1: up for pretty much the three or four days before

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Speaker 1: this weekend started. So let's catch you up with everything

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Speaker 1: you might have missed since last week's episode, and we

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Speaker 1: begin with Red Bull Racing being the focus of pitlane

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Speaker 1: speculation leading up to the United States Grand Prix after

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Speaker 1: rival teams lobby the FIA to look into a device

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Speaker 1: with which the front section of the floor, the bib

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Speaker 1: with McLaren ceo Zach Brown even coming remarkably close to

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Speaker 1: labeling the team as having cheated Matt. Red Bull Racing

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Speaker 1: is obviously denied that charge, but is redesigning the part

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Speaker 1: to comply with FIA requests.

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Speaker 2: It does comply. This is the thing. The concern here

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Speaker 2: is surrounding whether or not that it is comparatively easily accessible.

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Speaker 2: Was that exploited in part for my conditions? That's ultimately

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Speaker 2: the crux of the matter. There are things they can

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Speaker 2: has it been done historically? There are some who that

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Speaker 2: it has. Read Bull obviously vehemently denies that's ever been

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Speaker 2: I first got wind of this on the Wednesday night

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Speaker 2: Australian Grand Prix and I went to Red Bull. In

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Speaker 2: the first article I wrote, i'd actually gone to Red

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Speaker 2: Bull and asked, this has been labeled. You've been fingered

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Speaker 2: And they vehemently denied it, and as a result I

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Speaker 2: didn't name the team. It was only when the Telegraph

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Speaker 2: that it all sort of started to snowball from that

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Speaker 2: So there's varying degrees of wrongs and I guess it

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Speaker 2: depends where your allegiances sit here. It needs to be

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Speaker 2: underlined that Red Bull has not demonstrably broken the rules,

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Speaker 2: no matter what everyone else is trying to stir up

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good point. No rules have been broken,

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Speaker 1: just the potential existed to maybe make it slightly easier

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Speaker 1: So it's probably not the last we've heard of it.

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Speaker 1: But McLaren, which has been so much on the front

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Speaker 2: It denied that to begin with as well. Over the

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Speaker 2: And then it comes out that no, they've actually had

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Speaker 2: which again what McLaren has done has been perfectly within

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Speaker 2: the rules. They don't have to change their wings. That

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Speaker 2: the FIA has a different interpretation is great. That's that's

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Speaker 2: So you can choose to take the FIA's advice on

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Speaker 2: you take the advice of the FIA and make the changes.

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Speaker 2: But again, this is a device that was passed legal

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Speaker 2: a bit like, if you think of it, way back

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Speaker 2: in the day, like the Brad and Fan car. The

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Speaker 2: car was perfectly legal at that point. They then changed

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Speaker 2: the interpretation, the interpretation and some regulations and from that

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Speaker 2: point forward the car was legal. The cars ever banned,

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Speaker 2: just on a much more minute scale.

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Speaker 1: Let's move on now to the FIA World Motorsport Council,

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Speaker 1: which during the week building up to the United States

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Speaker 1: Grand Prix announced that Formula one and we'll ditch the

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Speaker 1: weeks after moderate controversy in Singapore where Daniel Ricardo took

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Speaker 2: I'm really on the fence with this one. I don't

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Speaker 2: mind that it was there, but at the same time,

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Speaker 2: I can see the potential for it to be abused

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Speaker 2: What was more interesting, I think for the World Modesport

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Speaker 2: extensive enhancements to the aerodynamic regulations, which have been subject

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Speaker 2: Basically meaning the cars were going to be too slow

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well you say eighteen months before they take effect,

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Speaker 1: Let's go over to RV now, where team principal Laurel

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Speaker 1: Meckis has admitted his team could have handled Daniel Ricardo's

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Speaker 2: And the award for studying depleting obvious goes too.

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Speaker 2: My only disappointment from that was that he didn't use

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Speaker 2: writing speculation. So we need to frame it appropriately and

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Speaker 2: He's not the first driver to get copper. He won't

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Speaker 1: I like the three of our five news stories are

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Speaker 1: positive one. Williams has received a welcome boost, both morally

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's in Australian money. That's so. The shares went

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Speaker 2: Donalton Capital. It must be must be said, so their

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Speaker 2: And given the team is worth just over a billion

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Speaker 2: or they just completely eradicate their possibility for a profit.

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Speaker 2: So they need to spend this one hundred million. Well,

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Speaker 2: what we don't know is exactly what it's for. The

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Speaker 2: team did have a one hundred and sixty million dollar loss,

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Speaker 2: off the top my head, hundred and sixty four million

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Speaker 2: dollar loss post tax deficit on its twenty twenty three accounts.

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Speaker 2: That'll be slightly better this year, you would think, But

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Speaker 2: you know it's it's it's not desperate times, but they

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Speaker 2: need to be careful because financially the team can start

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Speaker 2: to enterprecare us a little period here.

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Speaker 1: It's interesting to look at it like that, isn't it.

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Speaker 1: Because they bought the team from Memory for two hundred

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Speaker 2: Two hundred million US. Yeah, so three hundred million AUSTRAI

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Speaker 2: or one hundred and fifty two million pounds.

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Speaker 1: So you think about how essentially got bargain basement price

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Speaker 1: and of being able to invest. That's subsequent hundreds of

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Speaker 1: of the team, whereas they would have started with you know,

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Speaker 1: it does come good in the end, James Vale's leading

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Speaker 1: the team, Carlo Science, Alex Albon, et cetera, maybe it'll

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Speaker 1: all look really very much worth it. But that is

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Speaker 1: Yeah, for me, it really shows it is the term

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Speaker 2: he was only marginally aheaded, almost like he was about

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Speaker 2: to see the place back, and then he didn't. He

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Speaker 2: went very aggressive into turn one, which is probably something

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Speaker 2: he should have done off the start, but he went

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Speaker 2: very aggressive into turn one. The other thing he should

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Speaker 2: have done is immediately see the space, see the place

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Speaker 2: and have another go, because if he's got the tire advantage,

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Speaker 2: maybe he's got a chance to make the past stick.

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Speaker 2: Maybe Max gets the penalty because maybe then the officials,

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Speaker 2: rather than judging Lando to have gained advantage by leaving

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Speaker 2: the track, they go the other way and team that

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Speaker 2: Max gained an advantage by not losing a position by going

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Speaker 2: off track. I think by doing either one of those things,

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Speaker 2: he potentially would have got the pass. Obviously, this is

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Speaker 2: living in hindsight and it's difficult to do in the

446
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Speaker 2: car at the time. But if I was to a

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Speaker 2: portion blame or who was more in the wrong on balance,

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Speaker 2: I think the steward's got it correct.

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Speaker 1: I think that's fair. The way I sort of look

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Speaker 1: at it is that I don't think it would have

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Speaker 1: been right for Norris to keep the position, and that's

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Speaker 1: why I kind of side with the Steward's interpretation in

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Speaker 1: a broad sense. But for me, Max's defense cutting off

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Speaker 1: the apex taking the full width of the track is

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Speaker 1: only valid if he can stay on the track, and

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Speaker 1: I think that's the difference for me. I think there's

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Speaker 1: there's nothing wrong with you know, opening up the steely,

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Speaker 1: open up steering, releasing the brakes, making sure you get

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Speaker 1: to that apex first, somewhat artificially in a way you

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Speaker 1: wouldn't if you were on your own at that corner,

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Speaker 1: so long as you can keep yourself on the track,

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Speaker 1: because then that is a genuine defense. You can claim

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Speaker 1: the corner, you get the abbe ex first, and you

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Speaker 1: also finish on the track. I think for me it

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Speaker 1: changes a little bit the fact that he couldn't keep

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Speaker 1: himself on the track, even though it was very close

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Speaker 1: call fine Margins, he was close to staying on the track.

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Speaker 1: That for me then opens that question, well, is that

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Speaker 1: defense legitimate. It's almost like, really just a mistake. He's

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Speaker 1: made an error, and that should then entitle Norris to

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Speaker 1: have been able to make that pass. I do then

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Speaker 1: see the argument though that Norris should have been probably

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Speaker 1: wiser to the fact that he was battling Maxistaff and

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Speaker 1: this was going to happen. After all, he did battle

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Speaker 1: Max for probably a similar number of laps. Actually, they'd

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Speaker 1: have to go back and have a look in Austria

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Speaker 1: and saw almost the full toolkit of Maxwistaff and defensive

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Speaker 1: techniques there, and should have known that there was going

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Speaker 1: to be more coming for him this weekend. So in

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Speaker 1: that sense I think unbalanced. It again wouldn't have felt

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Speaker 1: right for Norris to have simply got past there, considering

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Speaker 1: he didn't do enough to capitalize on the fact that

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Speaker 1: Verstappen slightly overreached. But for me, there's a little bit

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Speaker 1: of blame on both sides. Stwar's kind of acknowledged that,

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Speaker 1: which I thought was interesting, but still gave the penalty

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Speaker 1: to Norris. I would say though, that the five second penalty,

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Speaker 1: which is less than you normally get for these kinds

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Speaker 1: of incidance, because remember this was happening a lot last

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Speaker 1: year where drivers were overtaking off the track. I think

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Speaker 1: George Russell did it a couple of times in fact,

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Speaker 1: But if they knew they could make a five second gap,

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Speaker 1: then essentially the penalty was worthless, and that's why this

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Speaker 1: year it's been increased to ten seconds. By reducing it

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Speaker 1: back to five for this incident, it's almost like the

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Speaker 1: Steward's going, well, we're going to give you a chance

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Speaker 1: to just do what you would have done last year,

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Speaker 1: and that way nothing happens. But he fell short, but

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Speaker 1: I think nine tenths of a second, so he had

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Speaker 1: his chance, I guess, so maybe actually, on balance, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I really do agree with the Stewart's decision more than

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Speaker 1: I even thought, because kind of gave a chance for

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Speaker 1: everyone to get something out of it, and in the

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Speaker 1: end Max got that little bit extra out of it

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Speaker 1: because he did abide that bit closer by the rules

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Speaker 1: as they're ridden at the moment. So I think, on

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Speaker 1: balance it does kind of make sense. But the result, Matt,

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Speaker 1: is that Max outscored Land over the course of the

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Speaker 1: weekend by five points a couple in the Sprint and

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Speaker 1: then three more in the Grand Prix. That's now fifty

510
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Speaker 1: seven points between them with five rounds remaining. That's eleven

511
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Speaker 1: point four points per round turnaround required for Norris to

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Speaker 1: win the championship. That feels quite distant.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's basically Lando winning every race and max

514
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Speaker 2: not being on the podium. Effectively, i'd have to actually

515
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Speaker 2: really go in and crunch numbers, but at a very

516
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Speaker 2: rough level. That's kind of that great now as that

517
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Speaker 2: gap to the point where I'm pretty confident in saying

518
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Speaker 2: that Maximstappan is going to win the championship or at

519
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Speaker 2: least seal the championship in Las Vegas.

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Speaker 1: Vegas.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think this is going to go to

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Speaker 2: the wire. He's got fifty seven points, so provided he

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Speaker 2: doesn't hemorrhage points in Mexico or Brazil, which are venues

524
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Speaker 2: that Red Bull has typically gone well gone well at,

525
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Speaker 2: we'll see, We'll see what happens. But I just I

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Speaker 2: can't see him getting beaten purely because Red Bull also

527
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Speaker 2: seems to have found something in the United States. Whatever

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Speaker 2: upgrade they had on the floor, it was comparably small

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Speaker 2: light right. If you look at the list of upgraded

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Speaker 2: parts that Red Bull bought versus what McLaren bought, McLaren's

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Speaker 2: was pretty much a full package, where where Red Bulls

532
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Speaker 2: was a floor in a circuit specific there's one extra

533
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Speaker 2: bit of circuit specific bit for calling I think it

534
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Speaker 2: was the airbox. It was a pretty minimal upgrade, but

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Speaker 2: whatever it did seem to resonate with certainly Max more

536
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Speaker 2: than more than Checho and Red Bulls seemed to be

537
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Speaker 2: in the sprint miles ahead in the race on par

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Speaker 2: with McLaren So that's an interesting change in dynamic as well,

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Speaker 2: given that really since arguably the Melia Romagna Grand Prix

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Speaker 2: back in May. I mean, I know Max has had

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Speaker 2: win since then, but really since round seven McLaren's had

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Speaker 2: the run of run of things. So this is a

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Speaker 2: this is an important race in that dynamic.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so.

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Speaker 2: It is.

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Speaker 1: Like you said, there's the two elements of it. It's

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Speaker 1: that Max hasn't won in a while and still didn't

548
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Speaker 1: win this weekend, but was certainly more competitive and is

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Speaker 1: the first sort of off weekend McLaren's had an off

550
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Speaker 1: being relative yere, they're still in good edge of the podium,

551
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Speaker 1: but off weekend McClaren's had in months. Belgian Grand Prix maybe,

552
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Speaker 1: but then Oscar was riddy in contention for the victory there,

553
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Speaker 1: you'd have to go back all the way to I

554
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Speaker 1: don't even know it, maybe past Austria. Before Austria, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's been a long time since McLaren has sort of

556
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Speaker 1: looked relatively unconvincing. I've done some mats for you, though,

557
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Speaker 1: Just to go back half a step, Norris would need

558
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Speaker 1: to win all five remaining Grand Prix with the bonus

559
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Speaker 1: point for fastest lap and with vistap and finishing off

560
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Speaker 1: the podium at every race to get the job done.

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Speaker 1: I think that would include winds sprint races as well.

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Speaker 1: Eleven point four points per round. That is a big

563
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Speaker 1: mountain to climb. But Matt, it wouldn't even make the

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Speaker 1: top five greatest comebacks. I've written this with Fox Sports Today,

565
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Speaker 1: greatest comeback. I think we've talked about this briefly in

566
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Speaker 1: previous episodes. Kimy Rerichen in two thousand and seven needed

567
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Speaker 1: to score This is corrected for today's points as well

568
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Speaker 1: as we can compare them twenty one point twenty five

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Speaker 1: points per round in the last two rounds to beat

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Speaker 1: Lewis Hamilton that title. Okay, there's asterisks over James Hard

571
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Speaker 1: overcoming Nicki Lauder obvious, but you had to overcome fifteen

572
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Speaker 1: points seven points per round over the last three Grand Prix.

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Speaker 1: That was after pick you that it came back. I

574
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Speaker 1: guess if you want to balance that out, Alam Pross

575
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Speaker 1: defeated Nigel Manton nineteen eighty six fifteen point three points

576
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Speaker 1: per round. Over the last two Grand Prix Pik Over

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Speaker 1: Prost in eighty three, thirteen points per round, and even

578
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Speaker 1: Fashion Medal defeating Fernando Alonso in twenty ten twelve and

579
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Speaker 1: a half points per round to close that one out,

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Speaker 1: and then you would get to Lando Norris if he

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Speaker 1: would have beat Max Vistapan to the championship.

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Speaker 2: That's some fabulous, fabulous work there, Michael. I my hat

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Speaker 2: off to you because I love stuff like that, and

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Speaker 2: that's yeah, yeah, I'm just thinking back to some of

585
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Speaker 2: those championships and you don't realize it at the time,

586
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Speaker 2: particularly that the raichen And Championship, because you had that

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Speaker 2: the bitterness of what was happening at McLaren's sort of

588
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Speaker 2: distracted you from just what Rykenan was doing. But it's yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's I guess it's still game on based

590
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Speaker 2: on those numbers, me having just said he's going to

591
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Speaker 2: win it in Las Vegas. But yeah, I've roll on Mexico.

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Speaker 2: If only it were We're oh, it is this.

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Speaker 1: Okay? Matt, Let's have a look at the constructors championship.

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Speaker 1: Now you mentioned there, Red Bull seems like it's found

595
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Speaker 1: something here. But while we might say the driver's championship

596
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Speaker 1: picture is sort of fading away, notwithstanding that there have

597
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Speaker 1: been bigger comebacks in for midda one history, the constructor's

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Speaker 1: championship picture is tightening considerably, partly because McLaren had a

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Speaker 1: somewhat unconvincing weekend, partly though, because Ferrari had such a

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Speaker 1: good weekend a one two finish. Admittedly did take until

601
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Speaker 1: Sunday for the team to really grab that headline result,

602
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Speaker 1: but if you look back at all the competitive sessions

603
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Speaker 1: was really there or thereabouts, but circumstances meant that it

604
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Speaker 1: never really got the big result when you have to

605
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Speaker 1: only have to look at Carlos Science's fast finish to

606
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Speaker 1: the sprint, having lost so much time battling Charlotte Clair

607
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Speaker 1: to realize actually it probably was sprint winning pace in

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Speaker 1: that car, had it just worked a little smoother for

609
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Speaker 1: the team. Red Bull is forty points behind McLaren. Ferrari

610
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Speaker 1: is only eight points behind Red Bull Racing. Now, this

611
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Speaker 1: was a really big weekend, not just for the points,

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Speaker 1: but also I guess for validation of what Carlor Science

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Speaker 1: in particular has been saying, which is that if the

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Speaker 1: upgrades the team has brought since the mid season break,

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Speaker 1: we're going to work because the team had been so

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Speaker 1: competitive the last four weeks, they'd have to work here

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Speaker 1: for them to be sustainable, for them to say, actually

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Speaker 1: we are back in this. It doesn't get more emphatic

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Speaker 1: than a one two finish for the upgrades. As a verification,

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Speaker 1: Does it mean the team is back in it? Do

621
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Speaker 1: you feel like we've seen enough here? And to go

622
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Speaker 1: to the question really on Charlotte Claire's lips, if not

623
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Speaker 1: anyone else's, can it win a Constructors Championship?

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Speaker 2: No? And the reason I say that is just that

625
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Speaker 2: Ferrari shows these flashes of brilliance and it has done

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Speaker 2: for many years really, even going back to you when

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Speaker 2: Charlote Claire was battling Max for the championship, and even

628
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Speaker 2: before that when Fernando Alonso was there and slashin Vettel.

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Speaker 2: It shows these moments of brilliance, but for whatever reason,

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Speaker 2: it can't sustain them. So you'll see these headline results

631
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Speaker 2: and it will hold on for a race or two

632
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Speaker 2: and then it'll drop the ball somewhere, and we've seen

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Speaker 2: that already this year. You know that there've been standout

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Speaker 2: performances Monaco Springs to mind, Melbourne did well to capitalize

635
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Speaker 2: with Carlos, but there's been other events where it's been

636
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Speaker 2: absolutely nowhere. So suggesting that Ferrari is now a championship

637
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Speaker 2: contender based on the increased performance of one event, I

638
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Speaker 2: think that's that's judging it a little bit too early. Also,

639
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Speaker 2: we're going to a circuit that's a little bit unusual

640
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Speaker 2: in Mexico and then again in Brazil and then again

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Speaker 2: in Las Vegas. We're not going back to a circuit

642
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Speaker 2: like Cota for I mean arguably into l Abu Dhabi,

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Speaker 2: So we can't put the horse before the cart in

644
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Speaker 2: that aspect. It was a fabulous weekend for Ferrari, absolutely

645
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 2: no doubt. You know, it made a significant inroad on

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Speaker 2: Red Ball, and Red Bull's performance wasn't especially brilliant if

647
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Speaker 2: you actually look at the number of points that scored,

648
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Speaker 2: it was only sort of roughly on average with what

649
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Speaker 2: it was doing through the middle part of the year. Conversely,

650
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Speaker 2: McLaren's is only sort of marginally below what it's been

651
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Speaker 2: doing on average all year or for the most part

652
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Speaker 2: of the year, certainly since you know, since sort of

653
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Speaker 2: Japan or thereabouts. So Ferrari made a huge step in Austin,

654
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 2: but it's one step. You know, there's going to be

655
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Speaker 2: times where Mclarenal's still the points or Red Bull still

656
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Speaker 2: the points. That's the EBB and follow that you see

657
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Speaker 2: among those top three teams, and then you've got the

658
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Speaker 2: Mercedes wild card in there. You know, they have the

659
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Speaker 2: odd flash weekends. You think of the British Grand Prix

660
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 2: where they just got it right, a couple of others

661
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Speaker 2: as well. And it's not just as simple as Ferrari's

662
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 2: got better. It is now good, and therefore it is

663
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Speaker 2: now a championship contender. It's how Ferrari's form on any

664
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Speaker 2: given weekend mixers with the form of the other three

665
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Speaker 2: potential contenders two most serious but most three other contenders

666
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Speaker 2: in terms of what it's potentially is like. And on

667
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 2: the balance, it hasn't been consistent enough to score the

668
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 2: points it needs to overhaul McLaren. I think it can

669
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Speaker 2: get Red Bull, and that's more a commentary, not necessarily

670
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Speaker 2: a Red Bull or Ferrari. That's more a commentary of

671
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 2: Sergeo Perez. But I don't think it will get it

672
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 2: will get McLaren because what's it need? Forty eight points?

673
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 2: What's your championship? Say about that? Has that ever been

674
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 2: done before?

675
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 1: No, I'd have to have a Lot'd have to do

676
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 1: a new one. About the teams. Let's look at it ourselves.

677
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Speaker 2: All that praise I gave you before, gone gone, that.

678
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Speaker 1: Is more than one week ends with a point of

679
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Speaker 1: the team's championship. So you've got to quate that to

680
00:33:57,040 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 1: more than twenty five points as a driver, I suppose,

681
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 1: if you want to put that into a slightly different context.

682
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 1: So not unbelievable with five rounds to go, but it

683
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 1: would need to show a longer run of impressive perform

684
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Speaker 1: before we consider that. But Red Bull Racing certainly looks vulnerable, right.

685
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 1: Eight points is nothing in the constructors championship, And like

686
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:18,239
Speaker 1: you say, Sergio Perez is really the defining factor here.

687
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:23,720
Speaker 1: Another deeply underwhelming weekend. Didn't score in the sprint, qualified tenth,

688
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:27,719
Speaker 1: finished seventh, finished closer to Liam Lawson behind him than

689
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 1: Max was Staffing ahead of him. Read into that what

690
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 1: you would like, But this is now five round since

691
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 1: the mid season break. Remember this was originally sort of

692
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Speaker 1: like a little bit of a vote of confidence in

693
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Speaker 1: Peris to turn things around at those tracks that he's

694
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Speaker 1: historically done well out well. He did that at one

695
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Speaker 1: in Azerbaijan, a genuinely good weekend for him. He deserves

696
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Speaker 1: credit for that. They crashed out of it the last

697
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Speaker 1: couple of laps, but let's ignore that for a second.

698
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Speaker 1: But at the other tracks, really has been performing pretty

699
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Speaker 1: much as he has all year. There hasn't been a

700
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Speaker 1: notable uplift in performances this weekend. Okay, he didn't have

701
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 1: the full upgrades available a Red Bull racing, but he

702
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,239
Speaker 1: finished forty odd seconds behind Max with staff and I

703
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 1: don't think the upgrade was worth forty seconds of race time.

704
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 1: What's that equate to three quarters of a second to

705
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 1: lap over the course of the race, more or less

706
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 1: like that would be a significant upgrade if that's what

707
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:15,440
Speaker 1: it was. And you know, okay, he was stuck in traffic,

708
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 1: but Max also as Battlinglando at the end. I think

709
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Speaker 1: it's fair to say he didn't have a great race,

710
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 1: but Liam Lawson did because that is the comparison element

711
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 1: here is come back in pretty much explicitly a shootout

712
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Speaker 1: for a chance to replace Sergio Perez. Started nineteenth, finished

713
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Speaker 1: in the points, really solid race, finished ahead of his

714
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Speaker 1: team at Yuki Snoda. Okay, the strategy was different, but

715
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Speaker 1: nonetheless really solid performance from him. There must be ahead

716
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Speaker 1: of Sergio Perez's home Grand Prix this weekend, a massive,

717
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Speaker 1: massive ratcheting up of pressure because this time last year,

718
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Speaker 1: if we compare his slumps here on ear, he was

719
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Speaker 1: starting to sort of get a little bit better enough

720
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Speaker 1: that Red Bull Racing felt like, okay, we could be

721
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Speaker 1: a bit confident taking him the next year. There just

722
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Speaker 1: aren't any signs of that at the moment.

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Speaker 2: It's really not and it's a massive because it seems

724
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Speaker 2: harsh and brutal to say this, but Sergio Peis is

725
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:08,799
Speaker 2: going to lose Red Bull Racing in the Constructors World

726
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Speaker 2: Championship and with that comes a significant amount of money,

727
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Speaker 2: far more money than what Sergo Peis is bringing to

728
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Speaker 2: the team. So at the moment he is a liability

729
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 2: to Red Bull Racing because yes, he brings Mexican money

730
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 2: in the way of is it Claro or whatever it is,

731
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Speaker 2: telmex and whatever, you know, you're talking prize money for

732
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:33,880
Speaker 2: winning the World Championship, the bragging rights, everything else that

733
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Speaker 2: comes with the prestige of winning that competition. So there's

734
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Speaker 2: there's a huge amount riding on Sergio Perez and he's

735
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Speaker 2: shown really since the middle part of last year that

736
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Speaker 2: he's just not the man for the job the very

737
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Speaker 2: start of last and I think this even goes back

738
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Speaker 2: to Miami last year where he got absolutely decimated by

739
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Speaker 2: Max and it destroyed his confidence and he's never really recovered.

740
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Speaker 2: He's never been the same driver since a little bit

741
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 2: like Daniel Riccardo once he left for a Bulls. Never

742
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Speaker 2: the same driver since the Miami Grand Prix. And it's

743
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 2: bizarre that you can pinpoint it this specifically that he

744
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 2: got so comprehensively out driven in the same car. Now,

745
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:22,319
Speaker 2: it's just a case of what does rebull do as

746
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:24,400
Speaker 2: an alternative? Are there alternatives out there? And that's why

747
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 2: we're in this position with Daniel Ricardo obviously, because they

748
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:32,320
Speaker 2: thought Daniel might be the option. Turned out he couldn't

749
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Speaker 2: do a better job, or a consistently good enough job

750
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Speaker 2: to convince Christian Horner and Helmet Marco. Maybe it's curious

751
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 2: that Yuki's not whose name is Enter the conversation now

752
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:43,800
Speaker 2: and you've got a wonder is that because Yuki is

753
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 2: genuinely being considered for that drive or is it designed

754
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:51,799
Speaker 2: to add pressure. Conversely, you know you've got Landa Liam

755
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 2: Lawson in that conversation as well. There's now talk of

756
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Speaker 2: Franco colo Pinto coming in. So now you're even starting

757
00:37:57,400 --> 00:37:59,799
Speaker 2: to wind this up a little bit further where Liam

758
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 2: laws And hypothetically goes to Red Bull Racing and then

759
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 2: Franco Colopinto maybe comes into be next year. I mean,

760
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 2: as I said before, he looks properly good. And then

761
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 2: you've got Yukisnoda hanging on for twenty five, probably off

762
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 2: to Astamart for twenty six with Honda opens the door

763
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 2: potentially for Isaac Hadja or Avid Limladd off the back

764
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Speaker 2: of him. So he's got this production line coming and

765
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:26,400
Speaker 2: this is everything that Red Bull has been working towards

766
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 2: over the last six or eight months that Daniel fell

767
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 2: victim of in Singapore. Yes, his performances weren't good enough,

768
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:36,360
Speaker 2: but it wasn't purely because of performance. It was because

769
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Speaker 2: red Bull has a problem now, but it has a

770
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Speaker 2: problem for next year that it now has an opportunity

771
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:43,799
Speaker 2: to solve that it didn't before. And it also has

772
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 2: a possibility to cover off a risk, be that Maxi

773
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Speaker 2: staff in choosing to retire or leave the team, or

774
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Speaker 2: whatever it might be. It has an opportunity to cover

775
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:55,440
Speaker 2: off that risk, minimal as it may be or great

776
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:57,760
Speaker 2: as it may be, by making some of these changes.

777
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:00,120
Speaker 2: Now it's on the front foot going forward, which it's

778
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:02,320
Speaker 2: been on the back foot. The reasons in this pursuit

779
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:03,880
Speaker 2: is because it's been on the back foot for a

780
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Speaker 2: long time.

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Speaker 1: There's an interesting question, it's completely hypothetical and impossible to answer,

782
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:13,399
Speaker 1: but whether Red Bull Racing has made a mistake by

783
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 1: not putting Daniel in the car at the mid season break.

784
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 1: Now a lot we've talked about this at length. You

785
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 1: can go back and listen to our Daniel Riccardo episodes

786
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:21,280
Speaker 1: around the break, and then obviously once he was dropped,

787
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Speaker 1: there are many reasons why they chose not to. It

788
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 1: was the inconsistency of that first quarter of the season

789
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:29,800
Speaker 1: that outweighed his relatively good form in a couple of

790
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 1: months before the mid season break, evidently, and then there

791
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:36,280
Speaker 1: was some supplementary decision making. Let's say that ultimately forced

792
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 1: the team's hand with situation. We are the team gambled

793
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 1: on Pairs turning his form around. That's obviously not paid off.

794
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 1: I see value in the argument that if you were

795
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 1: Christian Horner, it might look worse to have made a

796
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 1: fairly abrupt chain shacking a driver he'd side only a

797
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:53,879
Speaker 1: few months earlier, and then still finished second or third

798
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 1: in the Constructors Championship, because then you own that a

799
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 1: little bit more than perhaps I guess, let's say the

800
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:00,719
Speaker 1: status quo of Sergio Pairs losing it for you and

801
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:01,879
Speaker 1: then you can drop at the end of the year.

802
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 1: But man, it looks sort of silly in retrospect not

803
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 1: to have rolled the dice. Considering this team's only going

804
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 1: in one direction on the championship table. It almost it's

805
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 1: almost inevitable it's going to finish third. I think Ferrari

806
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 1: needs one more good race for us to feel like

807
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:17,359
Speaker 1: it can do enough to overhaul it, even if it's

808
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Speaker 1: not a regular victory contender. Just because Sergio Perry's is

809
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 1: always behind both Forrari drivers, inevitably is behind both Forrari drivers,

810
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:26,920
Speaker 1: if not also behind Mercedes drivers, which just makes that

811
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Speaker 1: gap that Deltaus Christian Horner described it unsustainable. So that's

812
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Speaker 1: sort of one of those great fe hypotheticals. I think

813
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:37,759
Speaker 1: that now is genuinely obviously impossible to answer, but it

814
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 1: does just make you think. I think we need to

815
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Speaker 1: get to the end of the year, particularly if you're

816
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:43,359
Speaker 1: a red full employees missing a couple of couple of

817
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 1: dollars in your championship bonus paypack at the end of

818
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:48,919
Speaker 1: the year about what could have been. But Matt, that's

819
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 1: the championship picture as it is on paper. Let's talk

820
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:54,399
Speaker 1: about the alternative championship now, because that is really heating up.

821
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:56,800
Speaker 1: Probably I don't have the championship table in front of me.

822
00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 2: Probably that no one needs to know the championship table

823
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 2: at this point because that kind of ruins the surprise.

824
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 2: Although if you do go back through the episodes you

825
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:08,279
Speaker 2: can probably figure it out. We might just randomly change

826
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:10,359
Speaker 2: it in between, just to make it fun. Because there

827
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 2: are no rules for this. This is a glorious thing

828
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:14,400
Speaker 2: about the alternative Championship. We make it up as we

829
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 2: go along. So I'll kick things off and I'm going

830
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 2: to do in a pretty predictable, mundane sort of way.

831
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Speaker 2: Liam Lawson, how can you not give the kids some points.

832
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:28,320
Speaker 2: I couldn't decide how many to give him, so I

833
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:30,239
Speaker 2: gave him one for every position that he made up

834
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:32,360
Speaker 2: on in the race. I gave him ten points.

835
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Speaker 1: Nice.

836
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 2: I like that. I thought that was I couldn't. I

837
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:39,400
Speaker 2: can't make that funny. I'm trying. I can't think of

838
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:40,359
Speaker 2: a joke for it.

839
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 1: That's okay. I think it's as well deserved. I think

840
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 1: he deserves credit, and why not give him credit in

841
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 1: this alternative championship. I'm going to start, as his tradition

842
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 1: by taking some points away from someone three points off

843
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:55,319
Speaker 1: max Forstaffen. That's the difference between the podium and fourth place.

844
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 1: Not for the move that he did this weekend. As

845
00:41:57,600 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 1: we've said, I sort of am happy with where that

846
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:01,360
Speaker 1: all ended up, but for saying after the race that

847
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:04,359
Speaker 1: Lando Norris should just cop the penalty like he did

848
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:06,800
Speaker 1: in twenty seventeen when he lost third to Kimmy Raichen.

849
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 1: But he neglected Matt to mention what he said in

850
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:12,719
Speaker 1: his post race comments in that year. These stupid decisions

851
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 1: really kill the sport. They kill the race. It's not

852
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:17,880
Speaker 1: good for the crowd. I hope next to you nobody

853
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 1: comes because the sport like this does not make sense.

854
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:24,399
Speaker 1: I don't think that's copying it in the way he

855
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 1: anticipated Lando Norris would. So it's three points off to

856
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 1: Max for not remembering that key fact.

857
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 2: So what you're saying is that Lando really should have

858
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:36,239
Speaker 2: teed off a bit harder than he. I think that's

859
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 2: the that's the message there. So we just we'll pass

860
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:42,359
Speaker 2: that one on to McLaren. Let Land off the leash

861
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:47,759
Speaker 2: a bit more so he can go full Max. So

862
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:50,320
Speaker 2: speaking of people at McLaren, this isn't Tigler that McLain.

863
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 2: But I'm just going to single out teen prs in general,

864
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 2: given what's happened over the last week and some of

865
00:42:58,040 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 2: the statements that teams have made and then had to

866
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:01,879
Speaker 2: go back. I'm going to take one hundred points away

867
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 2: from every PR person the INFT lane. Okay, because as journalists,

868
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 2: we understand that we play this wonderful game with the

869
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 2: sport and the teams and the drivers and everything else.

870
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 2: We ask a question, they try and work out what

871
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:19,799
Speaker 2: we're getting at, and we dance this Mary dance, and

872
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:23,279
Speaker 2: they'll try and deny everything as much as they possibly can.

873
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:25,839
Speaker 2: They don't want to give us an opening and so

874
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 2: they'll use clever language or an opening in a question

875
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:34,719
Speaker 2: to use that as there you've asked specifically about this.

876
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 2: I answered you specifically about this, not this thing that

877
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:40,319
Speaker 2: you were related to, but you specifically Playing those games

878
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:42,839
Speaker 2: is fair, But you don't outright live because as soon

879
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 2: as you do that, you break all trust in the

880
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:47,399
Speaker 2: paddic And as soon as you do that, as soon

881
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:51,239
Speaker 2: as we can't trust what we're being told, all we're

882
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 2: doing is writing speculation, in which case you open the

883
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 2: floodgates to all sorts of nonsense. So there needs to

884
00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:00,719
Speaker 2: be this underlying level of trust. This is a very

885
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 2: very journalist gripe, but when PR people start lying, it's

886
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:09,279
Speaker 2: a massive problem. So I'm taking one hundred points off

887
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 2: everyone in pit lane, and so it's a lesson to them.

888
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:12,879
Speaker 1: All that's good. I'm going to end with my own

889
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 1: personal hobby horse scripe, so I don't feel bad about that.

890
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 1: I feel like maybe's the episode for it. But first

891
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:20,400
Speaker 1: I'm going to take ten points off the Circuit of

892
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 1: the Americas. They do a wonderful job down there. It's

893
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:25,240
Speaker 1: great racetrack. It's become one of the ten pole events

894
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 1: of the calendar, not just because in the United States

895
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:31,760
Speaker 1: it's genuinely good one. But for upon realizing that Daniel

896
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 1: Ricardo really wasn't going to turn up, not even in

897
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:37,240
Speaker 1: a driving capacity, but in a non driving capacity, organize

898
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:42,480
Speaker 1: what I can only describe as a condolences book. People

899
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:45,319
Speaker 1: could sign their well wishes to our dearly departed friend,

900
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 1: despite the fact Matt he's not dead.

901
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 2: He ain't dead yet. Reminds me of a Terry Pratchett loan.

902
00:44:55,280 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 2: But yeah, he's just resting. As I switched seamlessly into Python.

903
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 2: That's good.

904
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 1: I like that. Yeah.

905
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 2: I did see that book on social media and I thought, hmm, yeah,

906
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 2: because it wasn't even just in the paddock.

907
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 1: Yes, I couldn't tell exactly where it was, but it

908
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 1: looked like it was out in.

909
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 2: The general spectator area. If someone out there does know,

910
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 2: please please let us know, because you occasionally get these books,

911
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:29,880
Speaker 2: you know, the say congratulations, thanks, whatever it might be.

912
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:32,879
Speaker 2: I seem to remember there was one for Bernie back

913
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 2: in the day, and there's been a few others. I remember,

914
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:43,759
Speaker 2: sig anyone in Singapore. I can't remember who FORO. It's

915
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:45,920
Speaker 2: been a long time I've slept since then. My memory

916
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 2: is atrocious. But yes, it was just a bit weird,

917
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:53,879
Speaker 2: wasn't it. I mean, he's thirty five, he's just he's

918
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 2: just hung up the helmet from a career that's earned

919
00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 2: him how many millions of dollars and one eight grand prix.

920
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:02,879
Speaker 2: I mean, we shouldn't feel sorry for the guy.

921
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:05,399
Speaker 1: His life's only just started, that's it.

922
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:07,839
Speaker 2: And he's had one hell of a life thus far.

923
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:11,400
Speaker 2: That the life that millions and millions and millions of

924
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:16,319
Speaker 2: people would give their right leg for. Probably not the

925
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:18,279
Speaker 2: right leg that you want to give, because you know

926
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:21,440
Speaker 2: that's a throstle pedal leg. You need that one. But

927
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 2: you get my point?

928
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:26,919
Speaker 1: Very good? All right, bring it home and then I'll

929
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 1: wrap it up.

930
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 2: None of mine are funny. I'm disappointed to take it.

931
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:34,799
Speaker 2: You know what. I was going to take five points

932
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 2: off the stewards, but you know I'm going to take

933
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:37,520
Speaker 2: ten points off myself for not being funny.

934
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 1: Oh, you've entered the championship.

935
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:44,760
Speaker 2: I'm now minus ten points for not being funny.

936
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:48,239
Speaker 1: Probably puts you in the top three, I imagine.

937
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 2: Do I not need to give myself ten points because

938
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 2: this turned out to me unintentionally funny?

939
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:56,840
Speaker 1: I like it. That's okay, but yeah.

940
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:59,320
Speaker 2: So that the Stewards have got away with one again

941
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:02,720
Speaker 2: because I've penalized myself.

942
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:03,359
Speaker 1: That's good.

943
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:07,880
Speaker 2: I've done what Lando should have done and penalized myself.

944
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 1: Very good. I like that. All right. This is my

945
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:12,840
Speaker 1: own personal hobby horse cry, but I'm taking one hundred

946
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:16,799
Speaker 1: points off anyone who uses the phrase in response to

947
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:20,839
Speaker 1: any Steward's investigations let them race, because we tried that

948
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 1: Matt in twenty twenty one and everyone hated it. Do

949
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:26,359
Speaker 1: you remember Max for staff and taking Lewis Hamilton off

950
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 1: the track in Brazil and then not being penalized because

951
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:34,280
Speaker 1: let them race. A bunch of bad cases of driving

952
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:36,279
Speaker 1: incidents happened that year, and not just that year. It

953
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 1: was a multi year let them race situation, and it

954
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:42,399
Speaker 1: was not optimal to use a Formula one phrase. That's

955
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:44,440
Speaker 1: why we've come up with the driving guidelines. You can look,

956
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:46,719
Speaker 1: you have your opinions on the driving guidelines. Clearly they

957
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 1: maybe are not working perfectly, but it's better to have

958
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:53,360
Speaker 1: some rules than no rules at all, because it's just

959
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:56,239
Speaker 1: astounding how short term the paddock's memory is that we

960
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 1: could be thinking of going back to a situation where

961
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 1: it's pretty much no regulations because we've done it before.

962
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 1: In fact, it was only three years ago and it

963
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 1: wasn't great. So one hundred points off to anyone who

964
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 1: dares use that phrase as if it's some golden era

965
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 1: of Formula One, because while the championship was a very

966
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 1: dramatic at conclusion, it was no gold in Europe. Have you, Adam, have.

967
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:21,359
Speaker 3: You ever seen the NASCAR racing cota particularly let them

968
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 3: race right, Imagine that in Formula One with open wheelers,

969
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 3: where they're just spearing cars anywhere there's a bit of

970
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:27,320
Speaker 3: time ac.

971
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 2: Like that would turn into like an absolute helicopter crash

972
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:32,879
Speaker 2: in no time.

973
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:34,880
Speaker 1: Yes, maybe to get it out of the system, we

974
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:37,480
Speaker 1: can just have one race and they remind everybody that

975
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:39,760
Speaker 1: it's no good. Maybe that's the selection.

976
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:42,320
Speaker 2: Maybe we should introduce that testing, make testing more interesting.

977
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, while you've wonder that, that's all the time

978
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 1: we've got for Pittalk today. Will be back next week

979
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:50,719
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980
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:53,160
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981
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:55,239
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982
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983
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984
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985
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:03,680
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986
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:05,560
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