WEBVTT - Paul Murray Live | 9 June 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:07.080 From the Skyinging Center. This is Paul Murray Live. Happy 0:00:07.120 --> 0:00:12.000 Sunday and Happy King's Birthday anyway, public holidays for all. 0:00:12.080 --> 0:00:14.280 Enjoy it. Now, we've got lots to get to tonight. 0:00:14.320 --> 0:00:16.279 These are big shows when we know that you're able 0:00:16.320 --> 0:00:19.840 to watch the whole thing. Sleep in to morrow. Enjoy yourself. Now, 0:00:20.000 --> 0:00:24.079 let's start with the obvious. The Paris Climate Meeting was 0:00:24.079 --> 0:00:29.000 about setting targets for twenty thirty. Many of the Western 0:00:29.000 --> 0:00:31.960 countries decided to sign up to it as the beginning 0:00:32.040 --> 0:00:36.000 of what ultimately became net zero by twenty thirty. Sorry, 0:00:36.000 --> 0:00:39.040 by twenty fifty. Now, twenty thirty wasn't meant to be 0:00:39.080 --> 0:00:41.080 that everyone would get everything done by then, but we 0:00:41.080 --> 0:00:45.519 would begin the process moving towards a reduction in carbon 0:00:45.560 --> 0:00:49.800 But of course the deal is deeply flawed. Why because 0:00:49.840 --> 0:00:55.040 while Australia, say, is one percent of climate emissions, China 0:00:55.840 --> 0:00:59.600 is able to continue to pollute and say, double every 0:00:59.640 --> 0:01:02.480 single month the amount of pollution that they put into 0:01:02.480 --> 0:01:06.119 the atmosphere because they don't even have to register their 0:01:06.160 --> 0:01:09.280 target till twenty thirty, and that's the number that they 0:01:09.280 --> 0:01:13.920 will start reducing by twenty sixty. They produce way more 0:01:13.920 --> 0:01:16.600 pollution than we do, but because we are of the 0:01:16.640 --> 0:01:20.240 western nations that must atone for the sins of the past, 0:01:20.760 --> 0:01:22.880 we had to cut compared to our two thousand and 0:01:23.040 --> 0:01:28.080 five levels. At the time, I didn't like the idea 0:01:28.160 --> 0:01:32.039 of the Paris Accord. At the time, it seemed obvious 0:01:32.120 --> 0:01:34.040 that if China wasn't going to have to play by 0:01:34.040 --> 0:01:35.320 the same rules as the rest of the world, and 0:01:35.360 --> 0:01:38.440 they were creating way more problems the little old Australia, 0:01:38.520 --> 0:01:41.399 it seemed counterproductive that even if Australia did everything that 0:01:41.440 --> 0:01:44.039 the lefties won, we would be swamped within what a 0:01:44.080 --> 0:01:46.680 couple of weeks I think is what the IPA put 0:01:46.680 --> 0:01:49.480 out there. Within about sixteen days, I think it is 0:01:49.880 --> 0:01:53.760 that Australia would just be completely replaced in terms of 0:01:53.760 --> 0:01:56.600 the emissions by what China is taking place. Now. I've 0:01:56.640 --> 0:02:00.640 had many elections since then and many positions on what 0:02:00.680 --> 0:02:03.800 people to believe is the absolute commitment that Australia should make. 0:02:04.400 --> 0:02:06.600 But the one thing that has changed since Anthony Abernezi 0:02:06.640 --> 0:02:09.000 became the Prime Minister wasn't just saying that we would 0:02:09.040 --> 0:02:13.160 have a forty three percent emissions reduction based off our 0:02:13.200 --> 0:02:16.200 two thousand and five levels. But it actually is the 0:02:16.360 --> 0:02:20.360 law in Australia. It's not just a vague commitment signed 0:02:20.400 --> 0:02:22.200 on a piece of paper. It is something that has 0:02:22.240 --> 0:02:25.120 a law that has passed the Lower House and the 0:02:25.480 --> 0:02:29.480 Upper House. The consequences of not meeting those targets I 0:02:29.480 --> 0:02:32.040 don't know. I haven't read the law in full. But 0:02:33.200 --> 0:02:36.720 as you will have heard, the lefties are losing their 0:02:36.760 --> 0:02:41.200 mind because of an interpretation of a quote that Peter 0:02:41.240 --> 0:02:46.000 Dutton gave to a newspaper yesterday. Here's the outrage version. 0:02:46.520 --> 0:02:50.320 Dutton to pull Australia out of Paris Agreement if elected. 0:02:52.000 --> 0:02:55.320 What he actually said to the Australian newspaper on Saturday 0:02:55.360 --> 0:02:57.760 is there's no sense in signing up to targets you 0:02:57.840 --> 0:03:02.320 don't have any prospect of achieving. That does not explicitly 0:03:02.320 --> 0:03:05.239 say that he wants to pull out of the Paris Accord. 0:03:05.400 --> 0:03:07.520 But I'll get to why he may be trying to 0:03:07.560 --> 0:03:09.480 think that that is an option that the Australian public 0:03:09.520 --> 0:03:12.160 want to get to in a moment. But all the 0:03:12.200 --> 0:03:15.000 people who had to come out and support the suggestion 0:03:15.160 --> 0:03:19.400 at least that Paris may well be negotiable if there 0:03:19.520 --> 0:03:22.600 was to be a change of government next year was obvious. 0:03:22.680 --> 0:03:23.840 We begin with the NATS. 0:03:25.200 --> 0:03:28.880 That's totally false to think that by us not meeting 0:03:28.960 --> 0:03:31.680 our twenty thirty target would see us kicked out of it. 0:03:31.760 --> 0:03:34.720 We are committed to our twenty fifty target. In fact, 0:03:35.000 --> 0:03:39.360 at the largest KOP meeting in the UAE, most countries 0:03:39.440 --> 0:03:41.760 will fall short of their twenty thirty target. So what 0:03:41.800 --> 0:03:44.160 we've said is, let's be honest, let's look at Shans 0:03:44.160 --> 0:03:46.320 in the eye and say not even this government's going 0:03:46.360 --> 0:03:48.680 to make their twenty thirty target because they can't get 0:03:48.720 --> 0:03:50.960 to eighty two percent renewables by twenty thirty. 0:03:51.000 --> 0:03:53.760 There's not the supply chain to do it. Now. While 0:03:53.760 --> 0:03:56.320 the NATS went into the last election with a target 0:03:56.360 --> 0:03:58.200 on twenty fifty, and I know a lot of people 0:03:58.240 --> 0:04:00.880 have an opinion on that should be nez zero by 0:04:00.920 --> 0:04:03.400 twenty fifty, they never really supported the idea of the 0:04:03.400 --> 0:04:06.320 twenty thirty target, so any potential wiggle room to get 0:04:06.400 --> 0:04:09.440 out of that is something that they will support. Now, 0:04:09.600 --> 0:04:12.320 let's see what happens tomorrow when inevitably someone gets a 0:04:12.320 --> 0:04:15.000 microphone under Peter Duttons nos, so we can find out 0:04:15.040 --> 0:04:17.560 exactly what the position is. But let's just continue with 0:04:17.640 --> 0:04:20.480 the theory that apparently the Libs are going to pull 0:04:20.560 --> 0:04:23.960 out of the Paris Agreement. Now, I think this is 0:04:24.040 --> 0:04:27.640 based off one big bet. If they are to pull out, 0:04:27.680 --> 0:04:30.920 the big bet is that Trump will win in November. Now, 0:04:30.960 --> 0:04:34.560 if Trump wins in November, there is every expectation that 0:04:34.600 --> 0:04:37.440 he would pull out of the Paris Climate Accord, as 0:04:37.520 --> 0:04:40.719 he did when he was president between twenty sixteen and 0:04:40.760 --> 0:04:44.520 twenty twenty. Since twenty twenty, there has been an awful 0:04:44.640 --> 0:04:47.840 lot of targets that have been set by the Americans, 0:04:48.160 --> 0:04:51.880 but they are not the same legal target that passed 0:04:51.960 --> 0:04:55.440 our parliament. This is important to know because a president 0:04:55.520 --> 0:04:58.400 can change the direction of things as opposed to a 0:04:58.480 --> 0:05:01.839 series of things that have been set into law for 0:05:01.880 --> 0:05:06.080 obvious reasons. People who believe that Australia's transition should be 0:05:06.120 --> 0:05:09.360 on the same timeline as a serious polluter like China, 0:05:09.600 --> 0:05:12.239 where we're talking more about twenty fifty and twenty sixty, 0:05:12.279 --> 0:05:16.920 not twenty thirty, would therefore see that a four year 0:05:17.040 --> 0:05:19.800 change in a presidency, which would go from twenty and 0:05:20.000 --> 0:05:25.560 twenty five to January twenty and twenty nine, would essentially 0:05:25.600 --> 0:05:28.320 mean that the twenty thirty target becomes irrelevant because the 0:05:28.400 --> 0:05:30.680 United States is a big economy, is a big polluter, 0:05:31.000 --> 0:05:35.320 would of course be not operating under that system. Now 0:05:35.400 --> 0:05:37.120 that's what I think the bet is here. But you've 0:05:37.120 --> 0:05:39.279 already seen what the reaction from the Labor Party is. 0:05:39.680 --> 0:05:44.000 They are saying that it is a signed, sealed, absolutely 0:05:44.080 --> 0:05:46.920 announced policy. Now it may well be. I'll wait to 0:05:46.960 --> 0:05:49.240 hear from Peter Dutton in front of a camera or 0:05:49.279 --> 0:05:52.320 a microphone to actually hear whether that's their position or not. 0:05:53.600 --> 0:05:56.680 But Labour think they have already won the next election 0:05:57.240 --> 0:06:02.160 based exclusively off this apparent change in policy. They were 0:06:02.160 --> 0:06:04.960 cockahooped today when talking about the idea. 0:06:06.000 --> 0:06:08.679 If you're out of the Paris Accord, you with Libya, 0:06:08.920 --> 0:06:11.920 Yemen and Iran, and with all due respect to those countries, 0:06:11.960 --> 0:06:15.440 they are not great investment destinations. That Peter Dutton would 0:06:15.440 --> 0:06:19.919 put Australia in that company and take Australia away from 0:06:20.080 --> 0:06:23.080 the table when it comes to investment in renewable energy 0:06:23.200 --> 0:06:25.279 shows that he would be a worse Prime Minister for 0:06:25.360 --> 0:06:28.760 Climate and Energy than Tony Abbot and Scott Morrison. 0:06:29.520 --> 0:06:32.960 Any Australian who thinks climate change is real would think 0:06:32.960 --> 0:06:35.960 now that Peter Dutton is a real risk, a risk 0:06:36.000 --> 0:06:37.960 to investment, a risk to jobs, but just a risk 0:06:38.080 --> 0:06:41.480 that Australia will do nothing to tackle climate change. 0:06:41.920 --> 0:06:43.600 You know, even Tony. 0:06:43.320 --> 0:06:47.080 Abbot didn't pull out of a global agreement on climate 0:06:47.160 --> 0:06:49.960 change and he thinks it's crap. You know, this makes 0:06:50.040 --> 0:06:52.280 Tony Abbot look like Al Gore. 0:06:53.000 --> 0:06:55.960 Now again, this is part of an overall attempt to 0:06:56.000 --> 0:06:58.479 build a narrative, and I talk often about how it's 0:06:58.720 --> 0:07:01.920 narrative good guy's, bad guys, good things, bad things, as 0:07:01.920 --> 0:07:05.640 opposed to news, which is so, what did they say today? 0:07:06.120 --> 0:07:08.640 The narrative that Labor has been trying to build on 0:07:08.720 --> 0:07:11.600 Peter Dutton is that he would be the most extreme, 0:07:11.680 --> 0:07:15.200 the most trump like figure to ever assume the Prime 0:07:15.240 --> 0:07:19.040 ministership of Australia. Now, of course it's rubbish, and I 0:07:19.160 --> 0:07:22.280 deeply disagree with many of the narratives that are trying 0:07:22.280 --> 0:07:25.280 to be built. But of course the general media ecosystem 0:07:25.360 --> 0:07:27.680 is more than happy to repeat that narrative because they 0:07:27.920 --> 0:07:32.000 like either the policies or they like the relationship that 0:07:32.040 --> 0:07:36.360 they have with the current government. But the question that 0:07:36.520 --> 0:07:40.520 makes me think, I'm not entirely sure that this is 0:07:40.600 --> 0:07:43.840 the all in new position of the coalition is that 0:07:43.840 --> 0:07:46.080 the coalition, of course, if it plans to get anywhere 0:07:46.080 --> 0:07:49.960 near government, needs to win seventy six seats in the Parliament. 0:07:50.360 --> 0:07:53.280 They are nowhere near it. Now. This policy would of 0:07:53.280 --> 0:07:55.600 course mean that the Teal seats would be assumed to 0:07:55.640 --> 0:07:58.320 be gone and anything that could be kind of teely 0:07:58.440 --> 0:08:02.360 again would be traded away to the Teals because the 0:08:02.400 --> 0:08:05.880 suburbs have had enough of the cost of transition and 0:08:05.960 --> 0:08:08.920 all of the different policies that the Albanese government has 0:08:08.960 --> 0:08:11.200 put in place to get us to the twenty thirty 0:08:11.240 --> 0:08:15.440 target of forty three percent emissions production based off two 0:08:15.480 --> 0:08:19.760 thousand and five. Now again, all of these commitments are 0:08:19.840 --> 0:08:22.640 dwarfed by everything China does, and China's two thousand and 0:08:22.680 --> 0:08:28.720 five doesn't come until two thousand and thirty. But have 0:08:28.800 --> 0:08:33.520 a look. These are the ten or so most vulnerable 0:08:33.679 --> 0:08:40.160 labor seats. Gilmore of course kind of near the south 0:08:40.160 --> 0:08:43.800 coast of New South Wales, Lions in Tasmania, Lingiari, which 0:08:43.840 --> 0:08:46.360 is in and around Alice Springs, bent Along, which is 0:08:46.360 --> 0:08:50.680 in and around the ride area of Sydney. Higgins, which 0:08:50.720 --> 0:08:54.320 is currently a labor seat formerly a Liberal seat, may 0:08:54.360 --> 0:08:56.240 well be a target of the Teals, but that seat 0:08:56.280 --> 0:09:00.440 may well disappear because of redistribution, Robertson on the Central coast, 0:09:00.800 --> 0:09:05.679 Tangy in Western Australia, Boothby in South Australia, McEwan in Victoria, 0:09:05.800 --> 0:09:08.440 and Patterson, which of course is kind of near the 0:09:08.520 --> 0:09:12.199 Hunter Valley in New South Wales. Now you could begin 0:09:12.320 --> 0:09:15.480 to build a picture somewhere that some parts of suburban 0:09:15.520 --> 0:09:19.040 Australia have said, we've had enough of paying for the transition. 0:09:19.480 --> 0:09:22.200 Therefore we don't care what the target is. Sure, let's 0:09:22.280 --> 0:09:26.480 do something in the effective political nevern ever of twenty fifty. 0:09:27.960 --> 0:09:31.720 But Labour thinks that if the government has as the 0:09:31.840 --> 0:09:35.800 opposition is going to commit to this change, then they're 0:09:35.960 --> 0:09:39.440 probably not going to win any of those seats. In fact, 0:09:39.480 --> 0:09:41.480 they may will end up losing some of their own 0:09:41.559 --> 0:09:45.600 territory back to the Teals. Now, regardless of whether you 0:09:45.760 --> 0:09:47.640 like or don't like Peter Dunton, and I know that, 0:09:47.720 --> 0:09:50.240 of course most people watching this program would hope for 0:09:50.320 --> 0:09:52.760 him to be the next Prime Minister of Australia. I 0:09:52.880 --> 0:09:55.959 certainly support his candidacy. But he's a man who certainly 0:09:55.960 --> 0:09:59.839 knows politics. He was able to smell the wind on 0:10:00.080 --> 0:10:02.480 the Voice, and he came out as no when it 0:10:02.520 --> 0:10:05.280 was sixty forty in the polls. Of course, the people 0:10:05.400 --> 0:10:08.280 ended up following his instinct. He was the one who said, 0:10:08.280 --> 0:10:10.720 I'm not going to go to the job summit. Remember 0:10:10.720 --> 0:10:13.640 the job Summit, And of course it turned out that 0:10:13.640 --> 0:10:15.559 the job Summit was just a giant cover for the 0:10:15.600 --> 0:10:18.800 Labor Party to eventually give unions everything that they wanted. 0:10:21.040 --> 0:10:25.160 So I'll be fascinated tonight to Nicole Flint. Nicole Flint 0:10:25.200 --> 0:10:27.680 is a great conservative, a person who probably like me, 0:10:27.880 --> 0:10:30.360 does not like the Paris Agreement. But she of course 0:10:30.400 --> 0:10:33.200 is in one of those target ten. Does she think 0:10:33.200 --> 0:10:35.400 that it helps or hurts her? We will find out 0:10:35.600 --> 0:10:37.880 when she joins us in a few minutes time, But 0:10:37.920 --> 0:10:42.000 I want to wait till tomorrow, or maybe even Tuesday, 0:10:42.040 --> 0:10:44.520 if that's the back to work day, when we actually 0:10:44.520 --> 0:10:47.680 hear from Peter Dunton in his own words what the 0:10:47.720 --> 0:10:50.480 absolute policy is. Now, that's no suggestion that the reporting 0:10:50.520 --> 0:10:52.880 about it is false. It's not suggesting that he didn't 0:10:52.920 --> 0:10:55.720 say what was said in the interviews. But I'm not 0:10:55.760 --> 0:10:59.960 going to interpret the interview through the lens of labor 0:11:00.559 --> 0:11:05.080 looking for what they believe is an automatic disqualification for 0:11:05.160 --> 0:11:08.200 the Coalition at the next election. Let's wait and see 0:11:08.320 --> 0:11:11.120 what the actual policy is and then we can debate 0:11:11.120 --> 0:11:16.360 whether it is a good or bad idea. Now Australia 0:11:16.400 --> 0:11:20.959 has put simply sent too many generations of people to university. 0:11:21.600 --> 0:11:25.320 They're particularly done so with things like communications or marketing 0:11:25.440 --> 0:11:28.200 or arts. And I'm guilty that I'm one of the 0:11:28.280 --> 0:11:34.720 arts people. Sorry, but we have produced tens thousands of 0:11:34.760 --> 0:11:37.840 people with university degrees who either go on to not 0:11:37.960 --> 0:11:39.880 use the degree when it comes to the job, or 0:11:39.920 --> 0:11:42.760 the degree is not really relevant to a job that's 0:11:42.760 --> 0:11:46.160 available instead. Anyone who knows if you've asked anyone to 0:11:46.200 --> 0:11:49.000 come around and fix something at your house, if you 0:11:49.120 --> 0:11:51.720 really want to make some coin, now you want a 0:11:51.840 --> 0:11:56.160 tool belt, not the mortar board of which people graduate 0:11:56.240 --> 0:12:00.000 at universities with. Because these are very good paying jobs. 0:12:00.080 --> 0:12:02.280 If you're able to stand yourself up as an ABN 0:12:02.520 --> 0:12:05.040 and then eventually a business that ends up doing more work. 0:12:05.080 --> 0:12:07.160 There's an awful lot of money for people who work 0:12:07.200 --> 0:12:11.439 with their hands, but there aren't enough tradees in Australia. 0:12:11.880 --> 0:12:15.680 We have made a moral choice as a country that 0:12:15.760 --> 0:12:18.160 going to university is better than your kid going to 0:12:18.240 --> 0:12:21.400 Taife that somehow it's a cop out if your kid 0:12:21.920 --> 0:12:24.760 wants to look for a life in high views as 0:12:24.800 --> 0:12:28.959 opposed to backchatting their grandparents about how racist they are 0:12:29.040 --> 0:12:34.319 because you know boomers right. But there are people who 0:12:34.360 --> 0:12:37.360 believe that we have not got a problem at the 0:12:37.360 --> 0:12:40.200 moment with the number of trades around, and that would 0:12:40.200 --> 0:12:43.720 be the CFMU, who very politely say there's not a 0:12:43.720 --> 0:12:46.920 problem with any trade shortage in Australia. Well as anyone knows. 0:12:46.920 --> 0:12:50.040 You want somebody to retail your bathroom, to fix your roof, 0:12:50.160 --> 0:12:52.760 to put a top on the house, you're not going 0:12:52.800 --> 0:12:54.560 to be able to get a tradee available to do 0:12:54.559 --> 0:12:56.559 it anytime soon. And of course the costs of it 0:12:56.720 --> 0:12:59.240 are all through the roof for a whole collection of reasons. 0:12:59.240 --> 0:13:01.160 But you know, inflation, it's not a real thing. Nothing 0:13:01.200 --> 0:13:03.280 to worry about here. All the stuff that doesn't get 0:13:03.280 --> 0:13:05.560 made here made in China. You know, nothing to see here. 0:13:05.840 --> 0:13:09.960 But another apparent policy that the Coalition is going to 0:13:09.960 --> 0:13:13.520 take to the next election is a real winner, and 0:13:13.559 --> 0:13:15.760 it is to try to get back to the Howard 0:13:15.880 --> 0:13:18.960 era of things, where sure the state will pay for 0:13:19.000 --> 0:13:20.720 you to go to university and you can pay them 0:13:20.760 --> 0:13:22.800 back when you earn fifty grand. Good luck to you 0:13:22.840 --> 0:13:26.400 if you want to go and study whatever. But by 0:13:26.480 --> 0:13:31.880 introducing kids at school to the joys of a trade 0:13:32.920 --> 0:13:35.439 could well be a way to make sure that kids 0:13:35.480 --> 0:13:37.920 make the choice to work with their hands rather than 0:13:38.000 --> 0:13:40.400 just to do year thirteen, fourteen and fifteen at school 0:13:40.440 --> 0:13:43.200 like sadly too many generations have now. Of course, the 0:13:43.280 --> 0:13:45.080 Left wants everyone to go to UNI because they all 0:13:45.120 --> 0:13:47.160 end up voting a certain way. There are the odd 0:13:47.160 --> 0:13:49.559 exceptions to the rule, but you get my point anyway. 0:13:49.720 --> 0:13:52.720 The Coalition is apparently moving to revive a Howard Government 0:13:52.760 --> 0:13:57.040 era at skills in school policy to reverse flatlining trade 0:13:57.080 --> 0:14:01.720 apprenticeship completions, to encourage thousands of teenagers to attend technical 0:14:01.760 --> 0:14:05.880 colleges and fast track young Australians into jobs. There was 0:14:05.920 --> 0:14:09.000 a speech that was given on Friday to the Tertiary 0:14:09.120 --> 0:14:12.559 Education Council. Wow, what a fun night that would have been. 0:14:12.679 --> 0:14:15.320 What a long weekend they've been having with a deputy 0:14:15.360 --> 0:14:18.120 Liberal leader apparently said on Friday that the new pathways 0:14:18.120 --> 0:14:22.120 are needed for young Australians outside of universities and TAFEs. 0:14:23.440 --> 0:14:26.440 Now Susan ly apparently has said that there will be 0:14:27.280 --> 0:14:30.720 around one point six million secondary students in Australia and 0:14:30.760 --> 0:14:33.640 only one percent, or some twenty thousand of them are 0:14:33.680 --> 0:14:37.800 involved in some sort of school based apprenticeship or traineeship. 0:14:38.200 --> 0:14:40.880 This clearly should change. She also says about two hundred 0:14:40.880 --> 0:14:46.320 and forty three thousand students are doing vocational education in schools. 0:14:46.760 --> 0:14:49.880 The most popular skills are things like tourism, hospitality, sport, 0:14:49.960 --> 0:14:53.200 fitness and recreation, all things that again are not about 0:14:53.240 --> 0:14:55.920 going and doing a university degree. You start to learn 0:14:56.000 --> 0:14:59.200 some of those skills at school, you learn them at 0:14:59.200 --> 0:15:01.520 a tafe, and then you get on with your job 0:15:01.760 --> 0:15:04.080 because of course, part of an apprenticeship is that they'll 0:15:04.120 --> 0:15:06.080 help pay for you to go to tafe, so you 0:15:06.160 --> 0:15:09.160 might work one or two days tafe one or two days. 0:15:09.280 --> 0:15:11.880 You get the idea. It's a smart idea and I 0:15:11.920 --> 0:15:15.640 hope they do do it because Australia does need many 0:15:15.680 --> 0:15:19.600 more things than just more people going to university. Now, again, 0:15:20.280 --> 0:15:22.080 I will not hired from the fact that I went 0:15:22.120 --> 0:15:26.640 to university and it was a particularly wonderful intellectual experience, 0:15:26.640 --> 0:15:28.000 but it has nothing to do with a job I'm 0:15:28.040 --> 0:15:30.640 doing right now, and many of the people that I 0:15:30.680 --> 0:15:32.920 went to university with a long time ago now, but 0:15:32.960 --> 0:15:36.280 still again they didn't use what they learned at university. 0:15:36.840 --> 0:15:38.800 Many of them, of course, like myself, being able to 0:15:38.960 --> 0:15:42.400 pay back the debt so it's all worked out. But 0:15:42.960 --> 0:15:48.520 Australians need, when we have our career conversations with little 0:15:48.600 --> 0:15:54.040 kids and with teenagers, to talk with aspiration about doing 0:15:54.120 --> 0:15:56.280 things with your hands or doing things that aren't necessarily 0:15:56.280 --> 0:16:01.280 connected to university. I've seen it in many families where 0:16:01.360 --> 0:16:02.960 you get to that point in time where a kid 0:16:03.040 --> 0:16:06.480 is sixteen, seventeen or maybe eighteen towards the end of school, 0:16:06.720 --> 0:16:08.560 what do you want to do? I don't know. Well, 0:16:08.560 --> 0:16:10.440 make sure you apply for lots of different things at UNI. 0:16:10.640 --> 0:16:13.400 Why why should those people have to go into a 0:16:13.440 --> 0:16:17.120 process of year thirteen, fourteen fifteen at school when they 0:16:17.120 --> 0:16:20.080 don't have a particular intellectual want to go and study 0:16:20.080 --> 0:16:21.920 any of those things, and they end up with a 0:16:22.000 --> 0:16:25.320 debt that eventually they will have to pay back. Whereas 0:16:25.360 --> 0:16:27.240 when it comes to a trade, yes there's some debt 0:16:27.240 --> 0:16:29.760 incurd along the way, but you actually start to earn 0:16:30.120 --> 0:16:35.160 money during the apprenticeship, let alone more money when you 0:16:35.200 --> 0:16:40.440 get to the end of it. Now on this program, 0:16:40.560 --> 0:16:44.360 we always say the Greens should go last. They are 0:16:44.400 --> 0:16:47.360 the most destructive force in Australian politics. I disagree with 0:16:47.480 --> 0:16:51.560 almost everything that they stand for, the way they present themselves, 0:16:52.400 --> 0:16:57.080 and largely the sanctimity in which they wrap their dismissiveness 0:16:57.120 --> 0:17:00.440 of anyone who disagrees with them. They believe in things 0:17:00.440 --> 0:17:02.920 that would change this country, in my belief, for the 0:17:03.000 --> 0:17:03.880 absolute worst. 0:17:05.040 --> 0:17:05.200 Now. 0:17:05.240 --> 0:17:08.359 Of course, most recently many people have buckled at their 0:17:08.359 --> 0:17:13.240 position when it comes to the war in Gaza, the 0:17:13.280 --> 0:17:15.600 free free Palestine and the rivers of the sea, and 0:17:15.640 --> 0:17:18.520 the genocide and all the things that they've carried on 0:17:18.560 --> 0:17:23.760 within Parliament. But more importantly, remember people like Senator Marine 0:17:23.800 --> 0:17:29.040 Fruki have been photographed with people at protests who are 0:17:29.040 --> 0:17:31.000 holding up signs suggesting that the best place for the 0:17:31.080 --> 0:17:36.360 Jews is the bin. That's not advocacy for the innocent 0:17:36.680 --> 0:17:41.080 victims of what is happening in Gaza, There's no question 0:17:41.119 --> 0:17:44.359 about it. That of course, is not a way of 0:17:45.080 --> 0:17:48.920 suggesting any support for Hamas. It's about a recognition about 0:17:48.960 --> 0:17:52.879 the civilians that are being killed there as a result 0:17:53.000 --> 0:17:56.680 of Israel's response to what I Must did in October 0:17:57.119 --> 0:18:00.919 of last year. But Adam Dand of course is a 0:18:00.960 --> 0:18:04.639 man who will not be told no because he knows 0:18:05.440 --> 0:18:09.560 that the Labor Party needs the Greens and the Greens 0:18:09.760 --> 0:18:12.919 end up with more power when the Labor Party doesn't 0:18:12.960 --> 0:18:16.479 do the extreme things that the Greens want. The Greens 0:18:16.520 --> 0:18:19.760 sit at about ten percent in the polls, but that's 0:18:19.880 --> 0:18:23.360 enough to consistently get members of the Lower House elected 0:18:23.720 --> 0:18:29.400 and consistently add more numbers to their representation in the Senate. Remember, 0:18:29.520 --> 0:18:32.480 the Labor Party is planning to rig the Senate to 0:18:32.560 --> 0:18:36.439 have even more senators from the Northern territory and the 0:18:36.480 --> 0:18:40.280 Act and particularly the Act most likely will result in 0:18:40.440 --> 0:18:44.800 more left wing MPs and yes, even more Greens senators. 0:18:45.280 --> 0:18:48.040 They also know that if Labor goes new a minority, 0:18:48.359 --> 0:18:53.320 they will have absolute control over the Labor Party in 0:18:53.400 --> 0:18:56.840 the Lower House and of course the control they currently 0:18:56.880 --> 0:18:59.000 have in the Upper House because put simply without the 0:18:59.000 --> 0:19:02.320 Greens only does lay but not exist because of preferences. 0:19:02.480 --> 0:19:05.040 But of course laws can't pass the Parliament if the 0:19:05.040 --> 0:19:10.040 coalition says no to the ideas. Adam Bant today turned 0:19:10.119 --> 0:19:13.800 up at the regular protests which are in the name 0:19:13.880 --> 0:19:17.120 of the innocent victims of Palestine, but often end up 0:19:17.160 --> 0:19:22.320 excusing the actions of hamas latest tactic points. Oh, it's 0:19:22.320 --> 0:19:25.600 all misinformation. You don't understand what we're actually doing. 0:19:25.640 --> 0:19:26.320 Well, i'll tell you this. 0:19:26.880 --> 0:19:29.359 People have been paying a lot of attention and people 0:19:29.400 --> 0:19:31.960 have not seen you do the things that other countries 0:19:32.000 --> 0:19:35.040 have done. And we are angry, or we are angry, 0:19:36.320 --> 0:19:38.159 but it's not just this. There's a whole collection of 0:19:38.200 --> 0:19:41.800 other things where the Greens are the weather. Greens are 0:19:41.840 --> 0:19:45.320 just too extreme, whether ideas cost too much money, and 0:19:45.359 --> 0:19:47.879 the idea that well, if you just keep shaking billionaires 0:19:47.880 --> 0:19:51.239 eventually it'll pay for everything doesn't actually add up. These 0:19:51.280 --> 0:19:56.160 are people who want to introduce taxes on turnover, not profit, 0:19:56.560 --> 0:19:58.639 and anyone who runs a business knows there's a difference 0:19:58.640 --> 0:20:00.960 between the money that comes into the till and the 0:20:00.960 --> 0:20:02.760 money you have to take out of the till to 0:20:02.840 --> 0:20:06.520 pay for everything before you start to have money left 0:20:06.560 --> 0:20:12.040 over for profit. This weekend, former Prime Minister John Howard 0:20:12.080 --> 0:20:15.000 agreed with what I said last week, which is the 0:20:15.000 --> 0:20:18.520 Greens have to go last. It is now a moral question. 0:20:19.560 --> 0:20:23.000 Now Labor must put them last, the Coalition must put 0:20:23.000 --> 0:20:25.480 them last. They are the worst option on the ballot. 0:20:25.960 --> 0:20:30.640 Now if there are particular extreme, even further extreme examples, 0:20:30.720 --> 0:20:34.239 well they're okay, you can put them last and then 0:20:34.280 --> 0:20:36.320 you get to the Greens. But certainly the Labour Party 0:20:36.359 --> 0:20:39.360 should be handing preferences to the Liberal Party before the Greens, 0:20:39.480 --> 0:20:41.280 and the Liberal parties should be handing preferences to the 0:20:41.359 --> 0:20:45.920 Labor Party before the Greens. There are smart asses inside 0:20:45.920 --> 0:20:47.840 the Liberal Party who think, oh, give preferences to the 0:20:47.840 --> 0:20:51.840 Greens and then the Greens will win seats from Labor. Well, 0:20:51.840 --> 0:20:54.720 who does that help? Again, John Howard Today, he's called 0:20:54.720 --> 0:20:57.360 for Peter Dundon Anthony Alberneasy to adopt a common purpose 0:20:57.600 --> 0:20:59.880 and agree for the Liberal and Labour parties to put 0:20:59.880 --> 0:21:02.399 the Greens last on the how to vote cards because 0:21:02.440 --> 0:21:05.480 of their divisive policies. Mister Howard told the Weekend Australian 0:21:05.520 --> 0:21:07.760 that if the Liberal and Labour Party joined forces to 0:21:07.760 --> 0:21:10.280 put the Greens last of the next election, they could 0:21:10.280 --> 0:21:14.000 reject an unacceptable element of Australian politics. The Greens are 0:21:14.040 --> 0:21:17.160 the real extremists of Australian politics. Now, of course Labor 0:21:17.200 --> 0:21:20.639 won't do it because, as I've told you, seventy seats 0:21:20.680 --> 0:21:25.760 of their seventy eight in the Parliament exist because of 0:21:25.840 --> 0:21:31.080 Green's preferences. But let's see, that's why I never believe 0:21:31.160 --> 0:21:33.800 the fake fight. When the Greens pretend, when the Labour 0:21:33.800 --> 0:21:35.800 Party in this Prime minister pretends to have issues with 0:21:35.880 --> 0:21:38.240 the Greens, they truly have issues with the Greens. Put 0:21:38.240 --> 0:21:43.280 them last and wipe them out. There is a term 0:21:43.359 --> 0:21:46.360 you may have read somewhere. It is called fast fashion. 0:21:46.760 --> 0:21:49.920 This is stuff that is often sold directly on websites. 0:21:49.960 --> 0:21:53.720 Now this means it is pretty crappy stuff. It is 0:21:53.840 --> 0:21:59.480 made with particularly intensive issues when it comes to the environment. 0:21:59.520 --> 0:22:02.919 But more importantly, many of these very cheap products that 0:22:02.920 --> 0:22:05.480 people purchase because yay, look at that on the internet. Bang, 0:22:05.520 --> 0:22:07.720 you can be here within two hours. Oh yay, let's 0:22:07.720 --> 0:22:10.639 do that. The problem is some of the stuff that 0:22:10.720 --> 0:22:13.840 is being sold in some of these places is believed 0:22:13.840 --> 0:22:18.320 to be being made by slave labor. There's yet another 0:22:18.760 --> 0:22:21.800 call for people to actually use their shopping dollar, but 0:22:21.840 --> 0:22:24.639 also governments to turn around and say you can't sell 0:22:24.680 --> 0:22:29.040