WEBVTT - The Late Debate | 24 June 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:00.520 Lately. 0:00:01.200 --> 0:00:07.840 General, Welcome to the Late Debate. Thanks for joining us 0:00:07.880 --> 0:00:08.520 on the Late Debate. 0:00:08.600 --> 0:00:12.559 I'm James Macpherson with Fraileitch and Caleb bond Well. People 0:00:12.560 --> 0:00:15.000 have been calling for de escalation in the Middle East, 0:00:15.040 --> 0:00:18.280 and that ceasefire announced by Donald Trump earlier today certainly 0:00:18.320 --> 0:00:22.400 seems to have de escalated. Iran were accused of breaking 0:00:22.440 --> 0:00:26.560 the ceasefire just hours after it was announced. Israel promised 0:00:26.600 --> 0:00:30.120 a rapid retaliation, and the US President was not shy 0:00:30.520 --> 0:00:32.920 in expressing his frustration just moments ago. 0:00:36.280 --> 0:00:40.159 We basically have two countries that have been fighting so 0:00:40.320 --> 0:00:43.000 long and so hard that they don't know what the 0:00:43.440 --> 0:00:43.960 they're doing. 0:00:44.040 --> 0:00:44.879 You understand that. 0:00:50.880 --> 0:00:54.400 You heard there Trump expressing his frustration with both sides 0:00:54.680 --> 0:00:57.840 in extended comments to reporters. He expressed it throughout the 0:00:57.960 --> 0:01:01.720 day he'd been annoyed not only with Ron but with Israel. 0:01:01.760 --> 0:01:05.040 And that's significant because up until this point, the US 0:01:05.200 --> 0:01:07.160 leader has bet Israel to the hilt. 0:01:07.200 --> 0:01:08.760 He's more of what he had to say. 0:01:09.959 --> 0:01:13.120 Rocket that I guess was fired overboard, it was after 0:01:13.880 --> 0:01:17.959 the time limit and admits it's target, and now Israel's 0:01:18.000 --> 0:01:18.440 going out. 0:01:18.560 --> 0:01:24.000 These guys got to calm down. Ridiculously. I didn't like 0:01:24.080 --> 0:01:26.240 plenty of things I saw yesterday. I didn't like the 0:01:26.280 --> 0:01:28.440 fact that Isua unloaded. 0:01:27.920 --> 0:01:30.800 Right after we made the deal. They didn't have to unload. 0:01:31.480 --> 0:01:33.000 And I didn't like the fact that. 0:01:32.920 --> 0:01:36.720 The retaliation was very strong. But in all fairness, is 0:01:36.840 --> 0:01:40.039 you unloaded a lot. And now I hear Isuel just 0:01:40.080 --> 0:01:43.440 went out because they felt it was violated by one. 0:01:43.319 --> 0:01:44.920 Rocket that didn't land anywhere. 0:01:45.520 --> 0:01:47.280 That's not what we want, I'll tell you, and I'm 0:01:47.319 --> 0:01:49.520 telling you I'm not happy about that Israel either. 0:01:52.600 --> 0:01:54.200 All I do is played both sides. 0:01:54.240 --> 0:01:57.040 I'm going now, as you know, Tonado, some of you 0:01:57.120 --> 0:01:57.960 are going with. 0:01:57.800 --> 0:02:00.680 Me, and I think it's going to be uh successful. 0:02:00.720 --> 0:02:01.800 We'll see, I'll let you know. 0:02:03.200 --> 0:02:05.240 So you heard there Trump saying he was on his 0:02:05.280 --> 0:02:08.440 way to NATO that's in the Hague. Right after that 0:02:08.520 --> 0:02:11.400 brief press conference, he got onto Air Force one. He's 0:02:11.440 --> 0:02:14.080 in the air right now. But just before he got 0:02:14.120 --> 0:02:17.200 on the plane, he told reporters that once on board, 0:02:17.440 --> 0:02:19.919 he would immediately be dealing with the fact that Israel 0:02:19.960 --> 0:02:23.160 were on the verge of retaliating for what they believed 0:02:23.280 --> 0:02:25.360 was a breach of the ceasefire by Iran. 0:02:25.440 --> 0:02:26.200 His Trump again. 0:02:28.080 --> 0:02:31.240 Besides that, qus each other for a violighting I think 0:02:31.760 --> 0:02:32.480 violated it. 0:02:33.240 --> 0:02:35.480 I don't think that. I'm not sure they did it intentionally. 0:02:35.520 --> 0:02:36.880 They couldn't rain people back. 0:02:37.280 --> 0:02:39.400 I don't like the fact that Israel went out this 0:02:39.480 --> 0:02:40.960 morning at all, and I'm going. 0:02:40.919 --> 0:02:42.160 To see if I can stop it. 0:02:42.400 --> 0:02:44.639 So as soon as I get away from you, I'm 0:02:44.639 --> 0:02:54.240 going to see if I can stop it. I think 0:02:54.280 --> 0:02:56.959 it's been completely demolished. I think the reason we're here 0:02:57.080 --> 0:02:59.320 is because those pilots. 0:02:58.919 --> 0:03:02.440 There's be too violent, said an unbelievable job. And you know, 0:03:02.520 --> 0:03:04.120 the fake news like CNN in. 0:03:04.080 --> 0:03:07.000 Particular, they're trying to you know, they're trying to say, well, 0:03:07.520 --> 0:03:10.600 I agree that it was destroyed, but maybe not that destroyed. 0:03:11.040 --> 0:03:11.720 You know what they're doing. 0:03:11.760 --> 0:03:14.480 They're really hurting great pilots that put their lives in 0:03:14.520 --> 0:03:18.720 the line. CNN has scum, and so is MSDNC. They're 0:03:18.720 --> 0:03:22.040 all and frankly the networks aren't much better. It's all 0:03:22.080 --> 0:03:25.000 fake news. But they should not have done that. By 0:03:25.040 --> 0:03:26.639 those pilots hit their targets. 0:03:26.639 --> 0:03:28.880 Those targets were obliterated. 0:03:28.560 --> 0:03:31.200 And the pilots should be given credit. Then not after 0:03:31.240 --> 0:03:33.120 the pilots are after me. They want to try and 0:03:33.200 --> 0:03:37.600 to meet it super Approbrale. I mean, Iran will never 0:03:37.640 --> 0:03:40.400 rebuild it from there, absolutely not. 0:03:40.800 --> 0:03:44.400 That place is under rock. That place is demolished. The 0:03:44.480 --> 0:03:46.200 BAT two pilots did their job. 0:03:46.320 --> 0:03:48.800 They did it better than anybody could even imagine. They 0:03:48.840 --> 0:03:52.160 hit late in the evening, it was dark with no moon, 0:03:52.640 --> 0:03:55.160 and they hit that target with every one of those things, 0:03:55.200 --> 0:03:58.680 and that place is gone. But when I see CNN 0:03:58.760 --> 0:04:01.320 all night long, they're trying to say, well, maybe it 0:04:01.440 --> 0:04:03.680 wasn't really as demolished. 0:04:03.080 --> 0:04:03.720 As we thought. 0:04:04.000 --> 0:04:05.960 There was demolished, and you take a look at the 0:04:06.000 --> 0:04:09.560 pinpricks and you see that place is gone. And I 0:04:09.600 --> 0:04:12.720 will say, I think CNN or to apologize for the 0:04:12.760 --> 0:04:15.680 pilots of the V two's, I think that MSD and 0:04:15.760 --> 0:04:19.600 c or to apologize. I think these guys, really, these 0:04:19.640 --> 0:04:22.800 networks are these cable networks. 0:04:22.960 --> 0:04:25.919 Are real losers. You really are. You're realizing. 0:04:30.320 --> 0:04:33.479 You're gutless losers. I say that the CNN because I 0:04:33.560 --> 0:04:36.240 watch it. I have no choice. I gotta watch that garbage. 0:04:36.240 --> 0:04:39.520 It's all garbage, it's all fakeds. But I think CNN 0:04:39.680 --> 0:04:42.919 is a gutless group of people and the people that 0:04:43.040 --> 0:04:45.520 run it. Nobody even knows there's been sold so many times. 0:04:45.920 --> 0:04:47.679 But the people that run it or to be ashamed 0:04:48.160 --> 0:04:50.880 MSD and C again named Brian Roberts. He heads it. 0:04:51.200 --> 0:04:53.880 He's a disgrace. He's a weak, pathetic disgrace. 0:04:55.160 --> 0:04:56.159 You have to love Trump. 0:04:56.200 --> 0:04:58.000 The Middle East is on fire, but he's still got 0:04:58.040 --> 0:05:02.640 time to go hard after see and MSNBC he got 0:05:02.720 --> 0:05:05.279 onto Air Force one and had not long been in 0:05:05.320 --> 0:05:07.800 the air before he tweeted this. Now we're not sure, 0:05:07.800 --> 0:05:10.080 as you would have heard Paul Murray say, whether this 0:05:10.160 --> 0:05:12.920 is because he's had a conversation with Benjaminette and Yahoo, 0:05:13.320 --> 0:05:15.680 or if this is just Donald Trump supposing what is 0:05:15.680 --> 0:05:18.960 about to happen. But he tweeted, Israel is not going 0:05:18.960 --> 0:05:21.840 to attack Iran. All planes will turn around and head 0:05:21.920 --> 0:05:25.560 home while doing a friendly plane wave to Iran. Nobody 0:05:25.600 --> 0:05:28.800 will be hurt. The ceasefire is in effect. Thank you 0:05:28.839 --> 0:05:31.919 for your attention to this matter. Donald J. Trump, President 0:05:32.040 --> 0:05:35.839 of the United States, Freyer and Caleb, A lot has 0:05:35.880 --> 0:05:37.839 transpired even in the last hour. 0:05:38.400 --> 0:05:39.280 What do you make of it all? 0:05:39.560 --> 0:05:42.159 Well, well, the reports now from the Times of Israel 0:05:42.320 --> 0:05:45.560 that in the last half hour Trump and Nittanya who 0:05:45.600 --> 0:05:49.160 have spoken, and that they came to an agreement that 0:05:49.360 --> 0:05:52.479 Israel could essentially carry out what you might call a 0:05:52.520 --> 0:05:56.120 symbolic attack on Iran. And the reports also of other 0:05:56.200 --> 0:06:00.520 times of Israel that they have hit a small target 0:06:00.680 --> 0:06:05.080 near Tehran with the will of Donald Trump, it would 0:06:05.160 --> 0:06:08.200 seem it's also a report coming out of public broadcasters 0:06:08.600 --> 0:06:12.039 in Israel that when Trump put that post up on 0:06:12.160 --> 0:06:16.960 truth Social that he already knew that they were going 0:06:17.000 --> 0:06:21.160 to attack when he said that Israel will not attack Iran. 0:06:21.279 --> 0:06:24.080 So it would seem that even in the dying moments 0:06:24.120 --> 0:06:27.440 of this, Trump was still trying to bay any means 0:06:27.520 --> 0:06:31.640 necessary persuade Israel not to attack. And I suppose you 0:06:31.680 --> 0:06:35.640 can understand why, because in Trump's mind, he is trying 0:06:35.680 --> 0:06:38.160 to achieve this cease fire to make sure that there 0:06:38.240 --> 0:06:40.960 is not the forever war that he promised people that 0:06:41.000 --> 0:06:44.479 he would not get involved in. The efforts that Trump 0:06:44.520 --> 0:06:47.200 has made in the last few days have not been 0:06:47.440 --> 0:06:50.080 to inflame any kind of war in the Middle East, 0:06:50.120 --> 0:06:52.200 to create or in the Middle East. It's been quite 0:06:52.240 --> 0:06:54.640 the opposite, really, I mean his I know a lot 0:06:54.640 --> 0:06:56.560 of people were critical of the fact that he took 0:06:56.600 --> 0:06:59.040 too long to do this. Of course, there are other 0:06:59.080 --> 0:07:01.359 people in the Magamus movement who said he shouldn't be 0:07:01.360 --> 0:07:04.760 getting involved at all. But I think Trump made a 0:07:04.920 --> 0:07:09.000 very methodical and thought out decision here to strike when 0:07:09.040 --> 0:07:11.760 he did, because he thought this is an action by 0:07:11.840 --> 0:07:16.160 attacking their nuclear bases in Iran that will prevent further 0:07:16.280 --> 0:07:18.800 war in the Middle East and of course prevent a 0:07:18.840 --> 0:07:22.040 potential attack on the United States in the future. And 0:07:22.080 --> 0:07:24.800 so what he is trying to protect here is that 0:07:25.360 --> 0:07:28.280 he acknowledges, of course, as we saw in those grabs there, 0:07:28.880 --> 0:07:33.240 that Iran has broken the ceasefire in some means, though 0:07:33.640 --> 0:07:36.720 it didn't cause any loss of life. The two missiles 0:07:36.760 --> 0:07:40.840 were intercepted over northern Israel, and so his point was 0:07:41.320 --> 0:07:44.960 you shouldn't have a response from Israel that he's out 0:07:45.000 --> 0:07:47.480 of kilter with that. So it would seem we've come 0:07:47.520 --> 0:07:49.280 to a point where he said, look, if you have 0:07:49.320 --> 0:07:52.680 a symbolic retaliation, it's tit for tat. You're in the 0:07:52.680 --> 0:07:56.040 same boat. Now, let's get on with this ceasefire. That 0:07:56.080 --> 0:07:58.880 would seem to me to be the best possible result, 0:07:59.040 --> 0:08:02.360 so long as both sides, and particularly Iran, now that 0:08:02.440 --> 0:08:05.560 they have been hit again, keeps up their end of 0:08:05.560 --> 0:08:06.120 the bargain. 0:08:06.640 --> 0:08:09.800 Yeah, I mean it's interesting for Trump, but he's in 0:08:09.840 --> 0:08:12.880 this position where he's got obviously the neo cons within 0:08:12.920 --> 0:08:15.760 the administration saying do it bomb Iran, and then he's 0:08:15.760 --> 0:08:18.720 got more of the isolation as types like Tucker Carlson, 0:08:18.920 --> 0:08:22.120 who apparently has now called Trump and apologized, according to 0:08:22.120 --> 0:08:24.960 Trump for saying that he was instigating World War III, 0:08:25.000 --> 0:08:27.760 which obviously has not happened. And I think with this, 0:08:27.960 --> 0:08:32.040 the precision execution of these strikes on the nuclear plants 0:08:32.040 --> 0:08:35.480 and then the ceasefire, he's managed to walk this fine 0:08:35.520 --> 0:08:40.679 balance of eliminating Iran's nuclear capacity while also not alienating 0:08:40.720 --> 0:08:42.559 other Arab states, in fact bringing. 0:08:42.240 --> 0:08:47.640 Them closer to the West. And it's all been very successful. 0:08:48.080 --> 0:08:51.200 I would say though, that it was actually Israel that 0:08:51.320 --> 0:08:53.760 started this operation. It was Israel that took out the 0:08:53.800 --> 0:08:57.320 air defense systems. This operation was only possible because Israel 0:08:57.320 --> 0:09:00.760 helped topple the Assad regime and they eliminated Hasbilla, which 0:09:00.800 --> 0:09:04.600 created the air pathway through to Iran. So all of 0:09:04.640 --> 0:09:07.920 this is years and twenty years of intelligence from Israel 0:09:08.200 --> 0:09:12.120 and years of hand to hand boots on the ground combat. 0:09:12.559 --> 0:09:15.560 So I do see what Trump is doing. It's smart 0:09:15.559 --> 0:09:18.600 of Israel to listen to America because they rely on 0:09:18.679 --> 0:09:22.320 them for a lot of funding and defense and diplomatic support. 0:09:22.600 --> 0:09:25.280 But at the same time, Israel will act in their 0:09:25.320 --> 0:09:28.600 own self interest. If they still think there's a threat 0:09:28.640 --> 0:09:34.160 from Iran, they started the process of eliminating that threat, 0:09:34.200 --> 0:09:35.920 and they will finish it on their own terms. 0:09:36.120 --> 0:09:38.280 We heard Donald Trump say just a moment ago that 0:09:38.600 --> 0:09:42.080 Israel needs to calm down, And for all intents and purposes, 0:09:42.120 --> 0:09:45.200 it seems like Israel have achieved their goals in the 0:09:45.240 --> 0:09:47.480 twelve days that this conflict has been running. They have 0:09:48.320 --> 0:09:53.920 eliminated Around's nuclear threat, they've eliminated Around's ballistic missiles, They've 0:09:54.000 --> 0:09:58.199 killed a large number of military chiefs, they've killed a 0:09:58.240 --> 0:10:01.440 large number of nuclear scientists, and they've made a big 0:10:01.480 --> 0:10:05.160 statement to other adversaries in the Middle East, don't mess 0:10:05.200 --> 0:10:07.920 with us. We will deal with you, and deal strongly. 0:10:08.080 --> 0:10:11.360 So at some point this tit for tat, and I 0:10:11.440 --> 0:10:15.000 kind of understand Trump's frustration. At some point someone has 0:10:15.040 --> 0:10:19.200 to say stop, that's enough, and he's calling, obviously on 0:10:19.320 --> 0:10:21.920 Israel to be the bigger person here. I suppose it 0:10:22.000 --> 0:10:25.000 seems it was a round who broke the ceasefire, Trump says, 0:10:25.080 --> 0:10:27.199 all right, you don't have to go again, because then 0:10:27.200 --> 0:10:29.800 this will never end. We've achieved what we sit out 0:10:29.800 --> 0:10:34.040 to do. Let's stop. So Israel would have achieved their mission. 0:10:34.440 --> 0:10:36.400 For the Iya Tollers, though, for them to have a 0:10:36.440 --> 0:10:40.160 cease fire, I guess they don't have much choice because 0:10:40.160 --> 0:10:42.959 to keep going they're going to be destroyed. But it's 0:10:42.960 --> 0:10:44.920 a difficult one for the Iya Tollers, who have sworn 0:10:44.960 --> 0:10:47.560 to the elimination of Israel. They can't be seen to 0:10:47.600 --> 0:10:50.839 be weak to Israel. In fact, when the ceasefire was announced, 0:10:51.040 --> 0:10:53.240 the Iranian leadership announced to their people that they had 0:10:53.280 --> 0:10:56.800 imposed a ceasefire on Israel, which is a bit of 0:10:56.840 --> 0:11:00.280 a joke. The question is will those two sides trick 0:11:00.320 --> 0:11:03.880 to their positions Israel in a stronger one and how 0:11:03.920 --> 0:11:05.120 long can that hold well? 0:11:05.160 --> 0:11:07.320 I mean, the reality as we know is that the 0:11:07.320 --> 0:11:09.440 only person who can be the bigger person in this 0:11:09.480 --> 0:11:12.680 situation is Israel. I mean, Iran has nothing to gain 0:11:12.760 --> 0:11:14.360 in being the bigger person. They have a lot more 0:11:14.360 --> 0:11:17.360 to lose in being the bigger person. The reason they've 0:11:17.400 --> 0:11:19.920 agreed to the cease fire is to some degree a 0:11:20.000 --> 0:11:24.160 level of self preservation, and Trump is appealing to both sides. 0:11:24.280 --> 0:11:26.640 As he said earlier, I'm playing both sides here. He 0:11:26.720 --> 0:11:30.160 is quite open about that because his objective is to 0:11:30.240 --> 0:11:32.439 achieve it as close to piece as you can get 0:11:32.440 --> 0:11:34.040 in the Middle East. I mean, you know, I think 0:11:34.080 --> 0:11:37.000 the idea of peace in the Middle East is basically impossible, 0:11:37.040 --> 0:11:39.640 but he's trying to get as close to it as 0:11:39.679 --> 0:11:43.280 he can. So Iran has, to the eye, toll of 0:11:43.320 --> 0:11:46.760 the regime has to let this ceasefire happen if they 0:11:46.800 --> 0:11:50.880 have any chance of surviving. I mean, the reality is 0:11:50.920 --> 0:11:53.480 still very much that there could be an uprising in 0:11:53.520 --> 0:11:56.840 Iran and that the regime is toppled. But as I 0:11:56.960 --> 0:11:59.040 was saying last night, of course you weren't here but 0:11:59.120 --> 0:12:00.880 for your benefit, because I know you were out having 0:12:00.880 --> 0:12:03.320 dinner instead of watching the late debate. And I don't 0:12:03.320 --> 0:12:05.480 blame you for doing so, by the way, James, But 0:12:06.720 --> 0:12:09.920 as I said last night, the only means by which 0:12:10.240 --> 0:12:13.000 you could achieve a toppling of the regime that would 0:12:13.000 --> 0:12:15.440 be of any use to anyone is if the people 0:12:15.520 --> 0:12:18.720 themselves rise up. You can't end up in a situation 0:12:19.080 --> 0:12:22.400 where you essentially topple the regime by for instance, Israel 0:12:22.480 --> 0:12:25.360 or the United States going in and assassinating the Ayatola 0:12:25.679 --> 0:12:28.319 and then hoping everything works out from there, because we've 0:12:28.360 --> 0:12:30.320 seen what happens when you do things like that, you 0:12:30.400 --> 0:12:33.880 create vacuums and people fill them. You cannot topple the 0:12:33.920 --> 0:12:37.320 regime by that measure. The only way to do it 0:12:37.360 --> 0:12:41.640 is to counterproductively to some degree, allow the regime to 0:12:41.679 --> 0:12:45.920 continue long enough that people in Iran could rise up themselves, 0:12:46.000 --> 0:12:48.559 and having this cease fire at least gives the year 0:12:48.640 --> 0:12:49.480 to allow that to happen. 0:12:49.520 --> 0:12:51.400 I was curious with Trump really getting stuck in the 0:12:51.520 --> 0:12:53.560 sea and then for questioning whether or not the US 0:12:53.600 --> 0:12:58.160 pilots have been able to destroy Iran's nuclear stockpile. JD 0:12:58.200 --> 0:13:02.000 Events spoke earlier today saying that their uranium was buried 0:13:02.800 --> 0:13:05.760 after those bunker busting bombs had been dropped. 0:13:06.120 --> 0:13:08.680 But there are reports that prior. 0:13:08.400 --> 0:13:13.079 To the American attack there were dozens of trucks outside 0:13:13.120 --> 0:13:18.839 that main nuclear installation, and the suggestion being perhaps they 0:13:18.920 --> 0:13:22.280 moved their uranium stockpiles prior to the US attack, and 0:13:22.320 --> 0:13:25.560 if they did, are those stockpiles hidden in Iran? Were 0:13:25.559 --> 0:13:29.840 they transferred to one of their allied countries? Or perhaps 0:13:29.880 --> 0:13:32.560 were they even moved around the world to create dirty bombs. 0:13:32.559 --> 0:13:35.720 Those reports are in the media in the last couple 0:13:35.760 --> 0:13:39.400 of hours. Trump is absolutely strident, we did what we 0:13:39.440 --> 0:13:43.480 said we would do. Their nuclear capacity is destroyed, but 0:13:43.800 --> 0:13:49.400 it would make sense if there is a military capability retained, 0:13:50.080 --> 0:13:54.640 nuclear capability retained, that the I tollers would agree to 0:13:54.640 --> 0:13:57.199 a cease fire and it might take them years, but rebuild. 0:13:57.240 --> 0:13:59.679 And we do know they think long term. 0:14:00.720 --> 0:14:01.880 They do think long term. 0:14:01.920 --> 0:14:04.960 And also we have to remember that Russia has said 0:14:05.000 --> 0:14:08.720 they will help Iran rebuild their nuclear program. North Korea 0:14:08.760 --> 0:14:11.040 has said essentially the same thing. There are plenty of 0:14:11.120 --> 0:14:14.200 powers within that axis of evil that would be more 0:14:14.240 --> 0:14:17.200 than willing to offer expertise. I think there were around 0:14:17.440 --> 0:14:21.760 two hundred Russian nuclear scientists working on the Iranian nuclear program, 0:14:22.000 --> 0:14:24.600 and so there is a lot of intelligence sharing, there's 0:14:24.640 --> 0:14:28.200 a lot of expertise sharing. And so don't think that 0:14:28.360 --> 0:14:30.520 just because these nuclear plants have been. 0:14:30.680 --> 0:14:34.320 Obliterated that the threat is over. This is the problem. 0:14:34.360 --> 0:14:36.840 As long as you have a regime there that is 0:14:37.080 --> 0:14:40.840 totally committed to the annihilation of Israel and the West, 0:14:41.160 --> 0:14:45.520 even at the expense of their own people. You won't 0:14:45.520 --> 0:14:48.640 have peace. It will just lead to this simmering. And 0:14:48.680 --> 0:14:51.720 that's kind of what's happening with HESBLA to the north 0:14:51.720 --> 0:14:55.520 of Israel in Lebanon. Obviously, they've been very successful at 0:14:55.560 --> 0:14:59.120 taking out the direct threat posed by HESBLA, but they're 0:14:59.200 --> 0:15:03.800 still conduct seeing strikes on a rather frequent basis against 0:15:03.840 --> 0:15:09.600 key leaders, key infrastructure because the radicalism continues to simmer away. 0:15:10.160 --> 0:15:13.520 Long term, all this does is just push back the 0:15:13.600 --> 0:15:17.920 timeline for another war, another confrontation. Unless there is a 0:15:18.080 --> 0:15:22.000 true denouncement of radical Islam in the Middle East, there 0:15:22.000 --> 0:15:23.960 will never be sustainable peace or. 0:15:23.960 --> 0:15:27.480 Of extreme Islam with an intention to what Israel from them. Yeah. 0:15:27.800 --> 0:15:30.880 Sure, if that's not done by the people of Iran, 0:15:31.280 --> 0:15:33.520 by what means do you think that can be done 0:15:33.600 --> 0:15:35.240 without causing a white skull war. 0:15:35.320 --> 0:15:38.080 The problem is the people of Iran, from the polling 0:15:38.120 --> 0:15:41.360 I've seen, do not support the regime. But the IRGC 0:15:41.720 --> 0:15:46.160 is so powerful still that anybody who speaks out is brutally, 0:15:46.200 --> 0:15:50.440 brutally repressed. Even Iranian dissidents in Australia are scared to 0:15:50.520 --> 0:15:53.000 speak out against the regime. Some of them have talked 0:15:53.040 --> 0:15:55.840 about having attempts made on their life in places like 0:15:55.880 --> 0:15:57.160 the US. 0:15:56.920 --> 0:15:58.239 Attempts at kidnappings. 0:15:58.560 --> 0:16:01.400 These are the sleeper cells that run has around the world, 0:16:01.680 --> 0:16:04.120 and so yes, of course the goal would always be 0:16:04.200 --> 0:16:07.720 for the Iranian people to rise up, but how realistic 0:16:07.840 --> 0:16:11.120 is that when you're living in an authoritarian regime that 0:16:11.160 --> 0:16:14.720 will disappear you and your family from the face of 0:16:14.760 --> 0:16:17.880 the earth. That's why the only path to piece is 0:16:18.000 --> 0:16:20.360 I think when you've got your knee on someone's neck. 0:16:20.200 --> 0:16:20.960 You keep it there. 0:16:21.160 --> 0:16:24.880 They are so close to seeing the entire regime collapse. 0:16:24.920 --> 0:16:28.160 If I were Israel, I'd be frustrated that the US 0:16:28.200 --> 0:16:30.680 stepped in now, like, let them finish the job. This 0:16:30.720 --> 0:16:34.000 is the first and probably the best opportunity they've had 0:16:34.280 --> 0:16:37.840 in almost fifty years to actually rid the Middle East 0:16:37.880 --> 0:16:39.280 of this toxic regime. 0:16:39.680 --> 0:16:40.880 Don't stop now. 0:16:41.760 --> 0:16:43.600 Well, the question is how far do you go? 0:16:43.680 --> 0:16:43.840 Then? 0:16:44.040 --> 0:16:45.240 Remove the nuclear threat? 0:16:45.280 --> 0:16:49.720 If they remove the Islamic leadership, then who rises up 0:16:49.760 --> 0:16:50.680 next the shark? 0:16:50.880 --> 0:16:52.680 Bring him back. He's ready to come back. 0:16:53.920 --> 0:16:56.240 Can be responsible for that, and it doesn't want to 0:16:56.280 --> 0:16:59.440 be responsible collected to not do that, I know. 0:16:59.400 --> 0:17:01.240 But that's the thing. You would hope it would all 0:17:01.280 --> 0:17:03.080 go well, but what if it doesn't. Go well, I 0:17:03.120 --> 0:17:04.240 mean that's that. 0:17:03.960 --> 0:17:06.320 That is the problem of work and what it is 0:17:06.359 --> 0:17:06.919 at the moment. 0:17:06.960 --> 0:17:09.320 We can always go work. 0:17:10.040 --> 0:17:13.560 Look at Afghanistan, mark is proof it can always go worse. 0:17:13.640 --> 0:17:18.000 Yes, every every time the United States has intervened in 0:17:18.040 --> 0:17:21.520 the Middle East, it has become immeasurably worse. So so 0:17:21.680 --> 0:17:24.200 on what basis do we hope that if we were 0:17:24.240 --> 0:17:26.119 intervened in a way to say, okay, we're just going 0:17:26.200 --> 0:17:28.399 to wipe out the regime, that it doesn't lead to 0:17:28.440 --> 0:17:29.520 the rise of something worse. 0:17:29.520 --> 0:17:30.919 So the rule in the Middle East is you can 0:17:31.000 --> 0:17:33.440 always replace a bad guy with the worst guy. 0:17:33.800 --> 0:17:37.840 That's you can, or you can even go in get 0:17:37.960 --> 0:17:40.119 rid of the bad guy, and then walk out and 0:17:40.200 --> 0:17:43.720 let the bad guy come back. In Afghanistan, I mean 0:17:44.200 --> 0:17:46.040 there is there is not if you could point to 0:17:46.080 --> 0:17:47.760 something to say, Okay, we've done it before, we've got 0:17:47.920 --> 0:17:50.960 a model to follow along, but we don't have the model. 0:17:51.320 --> 0:17:54.400 It's it's never worked, and I think that's the problem. 0:17:55.000 --> 0:17:59.000 I understand the desire and the need to some degree 0:17:59.400 --> 0:18:02.320 to get rid of the regime in Iran, but no 0:18:02.359 --> 0:18:05.199 one has ever been able to do it before. So 0:18:05.280 --> 0:18:07.760 I don't know how you think you can do it again. 0:18:07.600 --> 0:18:10.720 Because I would say Iran is a different circumstance where 0:18:10.760 --> 0:18:13.480 they do have unlike some of those other countries where 0:18:13.480 --> 0:18:18.240 there has been absolutely zero history of democratic rule, zero 0:18:18.400 --> 0:18:21.680 history of respect for human rights of Western valleys Iran, 0:18:21.920 --> 0:18:24.360 they are not Arabs. They are Persians with their own 0:18:24.440 --> 0:18:28.760 unique history and language and culture going back to biblical times. 0:18:28.800 --> 0:18:31.800 Think of Cyrus the Great who let the Jews go 0:18:32.040 --> 0:18:35.200 back to Israel, and so you can draw on that, 0:18:35.280 --> 0:18:40.440 and it's actually about restoring Persian nationhood and ripping off 0:18:40.480 --> 0:18:44.919 the shackles of Islamic colonization, which is what this is. 0:18:45.000 --> 0:18:47.040 And I think everyone would be thrilled with that and 0:18:47.119 --> 0:18:49.400 cheering for the Persian people. 0:18:49.080 --> 0:18:49.560 If they can. 0:18:49.680 --> 0:18:52.800 If they can do it, come on dive to do so. 0:18:53.440 --> 0:18:55.320 Donald Trump, as we said, is on his way to 0:18:55.359 --> 0:18:59.920 the Hague for a NATO meeting. Anthony ALBERNIZI was meant 0:19:00.119 --> 0:19:01.160 to be at that meeting. 0:19:01.200 --> 0:19:02.040 The will certainly talk. 0:19:02.119 --> 0:19:04.520 He would be, as he's been chasing a chance to 0:19:04.560 --> 0:19:07.480 sit down with Donald Trump, but of course now. 0:19:07.600 --> 0:19:10.000 Albanzi will not be joining that meeting. 0:19:10.240 --> 0:19:13.440 He spoke to Kieran Gilbert on Sky News earlier today 0:19:13.680 --> 0:19:16.840 about how it was pointless him traveling to NATO. 0:19:18.160 --> 0:19:20.520 Should you have gone to NATO wants to meet with 0:19:20.600 --> 0:19:22.160 the Indo Pacific allies. 0:19:22.200 --> 0:19:26.400 They're not there, Kieren, the President of Correa is not there. 0:19:26.480 --> 0:19:29.520 The Prime Minister of Japan is not there. In terms 0:19:29.520 --> 0:19:32.520 of the IP four, three of the four leaders aren't there. 0:19:33.400 --> 0:19:36.359 That was a part of the decision making process that 0:19:36.480 --> 0:19:37.120 we made. 0:19:37.600 --> 0:19:39.240 NATO is about NATO. 0:19:40.760 --> 0:19:44.160 NATO is about NATO, and yet Anthiy Albanesi has attended 0:19:44.240 --> 0:19:47.920 NATO meetings before. Trump evidently wanted to meet with the 0:19:48.000 --> 0:19:52.680 leaders of Australia, Japan, South Korea and New Zealand. Most 0:19:52.720 --> 0:19:56.040 of those leaders aren't going, but Anti Albanese. 0:19:55.680 --> 0:19:57.440 Surely Freyer should still go. 0:19:58.000 --> 0:20:01.160 He's got meetings booked with Ju Jingping, which we'll talk 0:20:01.160 --> 0:20:05.359 about later. The Australian is reporting on that in tomorrow's papers. 0:20:05.520 --> 0:20:08.399 Anthony Albanize should absolutely be at the Hague. You know 0:20:08.440 --> 0:20:11.199 where he is tonight though I believe he's celebrating a 0:20:11.200 --> 0:20:16.480 fiftieth anniversary for SBS tonight highly important. 0:20:16.480 --> 0:20:19.040 What is important? When do you think he ought to be? 0:20:19.080 --> 0:20:25.840 There's Anthony Albanzi earlier this evening, Happy birthday to SBS. Well, 0:20:25.880 --> 0:20:30.639 that's wonderful, But wouldn't his time be better on THATAF 0:20:30.680 --> 0:20:31.760 plane on his way. 0:20:31.600 --> 0:20:32.080 To the Hague. 0:20:32.200 --> 0:20:33.240 It totally would be. 0:20:33.320 --> 0:20:36.399