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Speaker 2: So where are you now? You and your car?

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Speaker 3: Like how you feel, how you think, what you do

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Speaker 2: Tom and Granddad I call him Steve, but that's Granddad. Now.

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Speaker 3: They're both incredibly wonderful people. Tom has a sensational career already.

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Speaker 5: I never ever, when Tom and I started sucking around

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Speaker 3: I do love something you dropped there before, Steve, and

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Speaker 3: The joy of just like, oh, we're just playing here

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Speaker 3: Well, I tell you what I get out of it,

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Speaker 2: But I love watching cooking shows.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Asha. Yeah, we're pretty fortunate, you know, I guess.

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Speaker 3: And if it, even if it is uncomfortable for you

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Speaker 6: Increases your gratitude, gratitude for seeing that that just base

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Speaker 2: Like, when there's other men that you.

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Speaker 4: They go out bullshell.

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Speaker 5: I mean the sort of thing with Tom and I

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Speaker 5: we've got a baby plate and we're doing more sophisticated cooking.

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Speaker 4: So you've got to try and control this.

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Speaker 5: You know, you've got to keep the fire going all

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Speaker 3: Have you seen anybody win at Olympic gymnast gymnastics gold.

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Speaker 3: She flipped the thing and she landed on both feet

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Speaker 2: That will ballroom dancing, I can guarantee you you can

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Speaker 3: What I love about cooking, even though I can't e

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Speaker 3: It's thermodynamics, it's chemistry, it's physics, it's acids and basis,

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Speaker 2: It's fats, it's nourishment.

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Speaker 3: And the motivation is like when you're on that camping trip,

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Speaker 3: you are really motivated to solve a problem when you're out,

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Speaker 3: because I mean, you guys take care of yourselves, but

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Speaker 2: And I think that's the That's.

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Speaker 3: You can have a real oh my gosh, this is busted,

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Speaker 3: Food because if it's flood and forget, it really really

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Speaker 5: You've got to kind of work it out so that

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Speaker 5: lot of foreign Normally you don't need shelter, you know,

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00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:40,160
Speaker 5: you just sleep camp on the on the ground.

435
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Speaker 2: Because I'm just kind of I'm fascinated.

436
00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:45,400
Speaker 3: One of my favorite books is Deep Survival by Lawrence Gonzalez.

437
00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:46,920
Speaker 2: I try to read it once a year.

438
00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:51,680
Speaker 3: He writes it's extraordinary and analyzes a bunch of basically disasters,

439
00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:55,120
Speaker 3: our point disasters, hiking disasters, things where people died really

440
00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:57,359
Speaker 3: expert people trust to figure out what happened to their

441
00:20:57,359 --> 00:21:00,159
Speaker 3: brain when they were in that situation, people otherwise you

442
00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:02,040
Speaker 3: what to do. And we saw it not long ago

443
00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:04,880
Speaker 3: when that young woman, the German lady was way out

444
00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:07,440
Speaker 3: in the middle of nowhere in Western Australia. She got

445
00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:10,879
Speaker 3: bogged and just got out of a car and just

446
00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:14,760
Speaker 3: started walking. And when we're in those moments, So I

447
00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:16,280
Speaker 3: don't know, you know, I don't know if you've been

448
00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:19,040
Speaker 3: in those kind of moments, Tom, but if you've had

449
00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:21,480
Speaker 3: experience with like that, if we do find ourselves like

450
00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:24,080
Speaker 3: that in that kind of isolation, have you experienced something

451
00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:26,320
Speaker 3: like that or you know, what have you done to

452
00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:28,840
Speaker 3: kind of send to yourself and make sure you make

453
00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:30,480
Speaker 3: the right choice in those moments?

454
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Speaker 1: Well, you know, look, the one the blessing of the

455
00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:35,959
Speaker 1: Kimberly is the community, right. You know, I've never been

456
00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:39,240
Speaker 1: in anything too extreme personally speaking. It's been a lot

457
00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:41,320
Speaker 1: of time matte Bush, just generally growing.

458
00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:42,760
Speaker 2: Your level of what extreme would be.

459
00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:47,000
Speaker 3: If you grew up racing motocross and you know, speedway

460
00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:51,800
Speaker 3: danger is a different level for you.

461
00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:53,000
Speaker 2: You have a tolerance for it.

462
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Speaker 1: I mean, look, I remember one time when I was,

463
00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:57,560
Speaker 1: you know, in my late teens, we'd gone out to

464
00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:00,399
Speaker 1: a place called the Keep River, which is sort of

465
00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:03,639
Speaker 1: across the Northern Territory border. We got terribly bogged. There

466
00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:06,480
Speaker 1: were four or five of us blokes there. You know,

467
00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:08,200
Speaker 1: we had plenty of water, we have plenty of food.

468
00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:11,840
Speaker 1: We're much right, you know. But one thing we did

469
00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:14,239
Speaker 1: know we told one of their families that we're going

470
00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:15,439
Speaker 1: to be on the Keep if we don't come by

471
00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:17,040
Speaker 1: six or seven, you know, come get us sort of

472
00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:19,400
Speaker 1: thing by the night time. And you know, sure enough,

473
00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:22,000
Speaker 1: twelve hours later, you know, we were rescued, which is great.

474
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Speaker 4: It came out.

475
00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:24,600
Speaker 1: You know, someone dragged the car out of the bog,

476
00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:27,680
Speaker 1: Thank goodness. But I mean, look, I don't know. There's

477
00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:29,080
Speaker 1: something about the Kimberly, like we have a lot of

478
00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:31,280
Speaker 1: fresh water around there, which is fantastic. We have so

479
00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:35,760
Speaker 1: much fresh water during the wet season especially, It's almost

480
00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:38,200
Speaker 1: like you see a lot of the community come together.

481
00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:42,159
Speaker 1: I have found in my years there that when I

482
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Speaker 1: mean disaster of some sort happens, like the community comes together.

483
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Speaker 1: There's been a lot of people in the Kimberly who

484
00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:50,400
Speaker 1: have gotten lost for longer periods of time, who've gotten

485
00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:52,640
Speaker 1: stuck out bush. You know, typically it's like the car

486
00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:56,679
Speaker 1: bogs one of the most common ones. But I don't know.

487
00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:59,359
Speaker 1: One thing I appreciate about it is the community bands together.

488
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Speaker 1: You kind of know you have this community that will

489
00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:05,800
Speaker 1: put in a lot of effort to either come find you,

490
00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:09,080
Speaker 1: or help you, or rescue you, things like that. And

491
00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:12,159
Speaker 1: there's something really nice about that that I think you

492
00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:14,080
Speaker 1: find in regional towns a lot. You see it a

493
00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:16,639
Speaker 1: lot in the news, just when something disaster does strike.

494
00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:18,760
Speaker 1: How these small regional towns come together.

495
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Speaker 3: And the thing you were describing earlier, Steve, about the

496
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Speaker 3: city in that when you were walking back up from

497
00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:26,320
Speaker 3: the Opera House trying to get back to Surrey Hills.

498
00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:29,040
Speaker 3: I don't want to put words in your mouth, but

499
00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:31,520
Speaker 3: I know I feel this sometimes when I'm out there,

500
00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:33,640
Speaker 3: even though I'm surrounded by people, I can feel quite

501
00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:36,960
Speaker 3: lonely because people don't look at each other or I know,

502
00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:39,040
Speaker 3: when I first came from Brisbane, I mean, Brisbane is

503
00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:42,240
Speaker 3: no Carnanara, But when I left Brisbane, it's a big cowtown,

504
00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:45,639
Speaker 3: all right, and people would look at each other and

505
00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:48,879
Speaker 3: smile back. And that's how I grew up. And I

506
00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:51,359
Speaker 3: came here and people didn't look at you, and you know,

507
00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:53,840
Speaker 3: it was very weird. I'd say thank you that, people

508
00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:54,720
Speaker 3: say why, what do you want?

509
00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:57,960
Speaker 2: And it was weird. You know. I found that since

510
00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:00,560
Speaker 2: my heart has hardened, and I have since one of them,

511
00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:04,439
Speaker 2: but I found it very very odd.

512
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:08,679
Speaker 3: And the community you were describing, in many ways, I

513
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,680
Speaker 3: feel that is how we as humans evolved, and that's

514
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,800
Speaker 3: we feel nourished and we feel safe, and we feel

515
00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:18,000
Speaker 3: okay and comfortable in those situations even though we're here.

516
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:20,480
Speaker 3: We've got fresh water, we've got sewage, we've got hospitals,

517
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:22,080
Speaker 3: we've got a helicopter will come to you and take

518
00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:23,280
Speaker 3: you to hospital if you need one.

519
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:25,600
Speaker 2: But we can live in an apartment building.

520
00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:27,159
Speaker 3: I lived in the apartment building across the street when

521
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:30,480
Speaker 3: I first moved here, felt completely aligned. There's like two

522
00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:33,640
Speaker 3: thousand people lived there. Yeah, it's probably the bigger population

523
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:36,600
Speaker 3: than Windom. And I didn't know any of them, and

524
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:38,000
Speaker 3: they didn't look at me when I came home, and

525
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:38,520
Speaker 3: it was weird.

526
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Speaker 1: Well, even Granddad was saying to me the other day

527
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Speaker 1: that when he'd do these long drives across the Kimberly,

528
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:46,560
Speaker 1: you would naturally pull over if you drove past the

529
00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:47,360
Speaker 1: car to say hi.

530
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Speaker 4: Is that right, yeah, yeah, yeah.

531
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:52,119
Speaker 5: In the early days, because there was another car coming,

532
00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:56,080
Speaker 5: it'd pull up and have it asy, Oh what's the

533
00:24:56,160 --> 00:25:00,640
Speaker 5: road back there? And that, you know, and you might

534
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,080
Speaker 5: pull up and make a cup of tea or anything.

535
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:03,359
Speaker 4: You know.

536
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:08,720
Speaker 5: It's all different now there's you know, with loads and

537
00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:13,199
Speaker 5: loads of people traveling through there, and it's become pretty

538
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:15,719
Speaker 5: impersonal again, you know.

539
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:17,120
Speaker 4: So it's similar not.

540
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:18,200
Speaker 2: What you're describing though.

541
00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:21,800
Speaker 3: The two travelers meeting traveling opposite directions, both of them

542
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:24,439
Speaker 3: know that there is value to each of them by

543
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:28,080
Speaker 3: stopping as you're connecting with each other, perhaps com bonding,

544
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:32,280
Speaker 3: connecting over something to eat, a cup of tea. They

545
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:34,640
Speaker 3: are giving each other information about the road in front

546
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:36,440
Speaker 3: of you, the road behind, but also having a moment

547
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:37,440
Speaker 3: like I'm not alone out of here.

548
00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:40,679
Speaker 5: Yeah, but but well, I suppose a real good measure

549
00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:43,440
Speaker 5: of it. As there was more and more traffic, you know,

550
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:45,920
Speaker 5: you always wave to everyone. If you didn't put when

551
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:48,479
Speaker 5: you were more remote, you'd pull up. But then as

552
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:52,399
Speaker 5: you got closer to civilation, civilization, you'd wave to people.

553
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:56,960
Speaker 5: And as you get closer and closer to Port Agusta,

554
00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:02,119
Speaker 5: they by the way waving back, and you think oh yeah,

555
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:05,480
Speaker 5: do a thousand k's and so they'll be hanging out

556
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:05,920
Speaker 5: the wave.

557
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:11,120
Speaker 2: I remember that as kids. My parents have an immigrant

558
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:11,840
Speaker 2: when he came here.

559
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 3: Dad was from Prague, Mum was from Lithuania, and they're

560
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:17,800
Speaker 3: just fascinated. That's just the vastness of this place, you know,

561
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 3: just incredible. We'll drive from Brisbane to Adelaide like a

562
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 3: cross to go visit the relays, and I just remember

563
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:26,879
Speaker 3: that there was two fingers like that, yeah, two fingers

564
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,480
Speaker 3: and then if we've got closer Adelaide, one finger and

565
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:30,719
Speaker 3: then no fingers.

566
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:35,320
Speaker 2: There was eighty three, like I remember.

567
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:41,920
Speaker 3: I remember that, just taking a moment away from Tom

568
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 3: and Granddad to play some ads back in a moment.

569
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 3: I love the idea of like wherever you go, you

570
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:56,080
Speaker 3: just kind of make sure that that's home, like a

571
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:58,199
Speaker 3: little bit of home with you. Certainly, if you're going

572
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 3: to be independent and remote the as much as you

573
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 3: know the fantastic contra deals that our cooking shows have,

574
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:11,560
Speaker 3: you actually don't need an entire set of Corussett you know,

575
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 3: crop pots and all that kind of stuff. The whole

576
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 3: one pot idea is it works at home just as

577
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 3: much as it does on a bush for it, and

578
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:21,639
Speaker 3: it really helps when you're prepping to I guess, to

579
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 3: take things to take with you as well, doesn't it.

580
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:27,880
Speaker 1: Tom Oh? I mean, one of the first early ideas

581
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 1: that we had was was actually inspired off a story

582
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:33,640
Speaker 1: that granddad told. We've actually never done it. Actually, it's

583
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 1: just called the like the Drunken stew essentially, and it's

584
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 1: based off Granddad telling me that back in the earlier days,

585
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 1: after work, one of the crew would just have a

586
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 1: fire going at his house with a pot and when

587
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 1: you came over, you had to bring something, is that right?

588
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:48,120
Speaker 1: Granted to bring.

589
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:50,879
Speaker 5: Yeah, bones here the blokes that come around to have

590
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 5: a few beers after work or whatever, and that brings

591
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 5: somebody might bring some potatoes or tina tomatoes or some

592
00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:01,359
Speaker 5: chubby chicken or something, and you just check something in

593
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 5: this huge, big camp and then when someone was hungry,

594
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 5: you're just going to get something out. But if the

595
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 5: you know, if the Parsley cook his chicken was in

596
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 5: the way where you wouldn't put that in your plate,

597
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:19,359
Speaker 5: you know, but that'd go for hours and hours, that

598
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 5: camp of And.

599
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 3: You say, you're telling a bunch of sixteen seventeen year olds,

600
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:27,480
Speaker 3: you know, manawemens going to a festival, What do you

601
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:28,199
Speaker 3: need to take with you?

602
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:29,440
Speaker 2: Oh?

603
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 1: Look, even since we've started cooking those few years ago

604
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 1: and putting it out on social media, it was all

605
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 1: based around one pot. Every almost every meal we did

606
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 1: was based around one pot. Because you can take minimal ingredients.

607
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 1: You can take one cast iron pot. That's it. In

608
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 1: terms of like cooking equipment. Obviously some bowls and spoons

609
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:50,960
Speaker 1: would be good, maybe some tongs and a good knife,

610
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 1: et cetera, and put everything into this pot, leave it

611
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 1: on the coals, come back a few hours later, and

612
00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 1: dinner is served.

613
00:28:57,720 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 4: Right.

614
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 1: There is no individual elements. You don't even if you

615
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 1: don't want to. You don't even have to fry off

616
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 1: the garlic, first, fry off the onion, first, fry off

617
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 1: the beef.

618
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 2: You should do.

619
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 1: That's taste better, but you know, you don't even have to.

620
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 1: I'm like, if I was, you know, if a bunch

621
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 1: of six out of seventeen year I was about to

622
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 1: go camping and they had no clue about cooking, gosh,

623
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 1: I'd probably give them, you know, chuck steaks, some chuck beef.

624
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 1: I give them a can of some kind of curry paste.

625
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 1: Like a green curry paste or maybe a mustmad beef

626
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 1: curry paste or green curry paste, some easy curry paste,

627
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 1: some coconut milk, onion, garlic, and then potato, carrots, and

628
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 1: if they have any vegetables they like, then they should

629
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 1: take that as well. And essentially, put this cast iron

630
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 1: pot onto a fire, Throw some onion and garlic in there,

631
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 1: Throw some beef in there, curry paste, coconut milk, your

632
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 1: carrots and your potatoes, put coles on top. Go and

633
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 1: do your bushwalks, Go and have your bush adventure, go swimming,

634
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 1: whatever you want to do. Come back at five or

635
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 1: six o'clock and open that pot up and you will

636
00:29:57,840 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 1: have a nice dinner. You will have a good feed

637
00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 1: right there that will fill everyone up. That's kind of

638
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 1: the beauty of camp cooking. We do complex things now.

639
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 1: We did cheesecake the other day. We've done scones, and

640
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 1: we've done lemon cakes, apple slices. You know, we did

641
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 1: fried rice the other day in a walk on a

642
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 1: fire and it was delicious. It looked so colorful and

643
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 1: amazing as well. But you know, you don't have to

644
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 1: go that complex. You can just make a beautiful, rich

645
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 1: stew out bush. And that's probably what you want, you know,

646
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 1: when you're out bush and you're burning lots of calories

647
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 1: on your bushwalks or your mountain bike riding, whatever it

648
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 1: may be, depending on what climate you're in, you want

649
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 1: a hearty meal to come home to. So one pot's

650
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 1: the way to go. And even you know, now granddad

651
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 1: cooks dinner, which I love so much, I don't have to,

652
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 1: you know, Granddad cooks the signature dinner and it's a

653
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 1: one pot, you know, meal with fried rice on the side.

654
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 1: And so yeah, you can do minimal ingredients and it

655
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 1: will taste delicious and feed everyone there.

656
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 3: And we're not alone here. There's I'm watching the Bear

657
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 3: at the moment. It's a TV show. I've at a restaurant

658
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 3: in Chicago and there's a very fancy sounding French meal

659
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 3: called cocko Van And.

660
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 2: All that was literally was chicken.

661
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 3: Here's a chicken, put it in a pot, here's some wine,

662
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:12,240
Speaker 3: put the lid on, go to work.

663
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 2: It was a peasant dish. It was what dude tell

664
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 2: the farm did.

665
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,719
Speaker 3: And I came back at you know, three four o'clock

666
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 3: when the knockoff boom. There it is all the alcohol's

667
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 3: burned off, there's dinner a piece of piss, but you

668
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 3: know you'll be paying eighty bucks for that somewhere.

669
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, Yeah.

670
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 1: It doesn't have to be over complicated. My favorite recipe

671
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 1: that granddad makes me on the regular was one that

672
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:37,000
Speaker 1: was passed down from his mum. It honestly is. And look,

673
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 1: even if you're vegetarian, you could have your own vegetarian

674
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 1: substitute in terms of the protein sauce. But for me,

675
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 1: I have a chop of some sort, some sort of

676
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 1: chop and it's just tomato soup and curry powder. That's it,

677
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 1: and I love it and it just works, and I

678
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 1: wanted every single night, and it's too you know, it's

679
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 1: just too like ingredient in terms of the flavors. There's

680
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 1: any curry powdery and a can of tomato soup, and

681
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 1: so it doesn't have to be complex. Cooking doesn't have

682
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 1: to be complex. It can be hard when you're young

683
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 1: and you're trying to get into it, but it doesn't

684
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 1: have to be hard, you know.

685
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 3: I think the only the only way I've got your

686
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 3: beat with the way I is that I can get

687
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 3: by without refrigeration if I need to.

688
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:14,959
Speaker 2: So I can.

689
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 3: I can bring dried chickpeas which have the same amount

690
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 3: of protein per a cup of it, the same amount

691
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 3: of proteins as a steak.

692
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 2: Or whatever, and I don't I don't need any dry

693
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 2: hoss or whatever.

694
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 3: You're right, So maybe that's that's maybe that's where I

695
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 3: got camping to my muscle.

696
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 2: And it's also real cheap.

697
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 3: You can buy a kilo a chick piece for six

698
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 3: barks and that they'll feed you for a week.

699
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 2: Have you got to like a pressure cooker on a

700
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 2: camphire yet?

701
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 1: No? Well, the funny thing is, for my nineteenth birthday,

702
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 1: what got me into cooking was my mum bought me

703
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 1: a pressure cooker and I lived out bush for six

704
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 1: months at a place called the Bungle Bungles at Perna

705
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 1: Lulu National Park, four hundred k's from town. And the

706
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 1: pressure cooker is what got me through it, and I

707
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 1: loved it. It's just it was so incredible, and that

708
00:32:58,120 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 1: was an electric one. Obviously you can get ones with

709
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 1: the as well, you know. And but yeah, we we

710
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 1: haven't actually done it. We haven't done like a vegetarian curry,

711
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 1: which we're really due to do, and we haven't done

712
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 1: a pressure cook got on the fire.

713
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 3: Yet, because when I did so sometimes I would work

714
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 3: and go to Fiji for like six weeks to make

715
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 3: a TV show. But we're staying in a place where

716
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 3: you can't stay to the kitchen.

717
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm Celia, can you're pretty good? Yeah, okay.

718
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 3: So I would throw basically a big, you know, Bunning's

719
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 3: bucket thing. I would throw my pressure cooker and help

720
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 3: you know, sp set and eyes, throw it in the

721
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 3: lighting container and they would send the shipping container over

722
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 3: with all the lighting gear because we're shooting remotely out there,

723
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 3: and I'd get it when we got there, and I

724
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 3: was cooking in my hotel room every night, and so good.

725
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 5: Well I've got a pressure cooker. Well I don't know

726
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 5: whether I've still got it, but.

727
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 2: You'll make one with your world around the back.

728
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 5: You haven't hysterically, I've had one, But what happened once

729
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 5: that rubber seal deteriorates, you can't buy a new one

730
00:33:57,480 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 5: up there, and.

731
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 3: So keep your technology to the point of replacement to

732
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 3: the area that you're in. This is the lessons that

733
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:08,800
Speaker 3: This is the lessons that I'm learning. But we mentioned

734
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 3: the world. So when it comes to solving problems by

735
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 3: putting combining things you know that are lying around together.

736
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 2: Have you always done that? You always just kind of

737
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 2: have a half of this and.

738
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, no, Well I built my own house and

739
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:27,800
Speaker 5: I was just born with a natural ability to do stuff,

740
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:31,920
Speaker 5: you know, and understand stuff. So I can do plumbing,

741
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 5: electrical all to a reasonably good standard, you know.

742
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 2: So you visualize a solution and that work.

743
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:44,839
Speaker 5: I can see what the end result, what what end

744
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 5: results I want, and then you work out what the

745
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:51,439
Speaker 5: formulas is to get there.

746
00:34:52,120 --> 00:35:01,240
Speaker 4: And I had for labor, I had this simple rating.

747
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:08,280
Speaker 5: You know, there's unemployable, supervised, semi supervised and unsupervised unsupervised

748
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 5: unsupervised blokes. They don't have problems, they just have solutions.

749
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 5: So you say, oh, Barry, can you rebuild the major

750
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:19,800
Speaker 5: on the old truck over there? And if he needed

751
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 5: to know anything, he'd say, oh, well, what do you

752
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 5: want me to do the gearbox as well, you know,

753
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 5: and don't interfere with him, don't tell him how to

754
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:30,760
Speaker 5: do it or anything, and you just tick that box.

755
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 4: That's done.

756
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 5: And then the semi supervised you could tell them the

757
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 5: same thing, and they're going to screw the job up.

758
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:38,879
Speaker 4: So you've got to keep your eye on them a bit.

759
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 5: And then the supervised guys, well you've got to open

760
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:48,280
Speaker 5: the tissue box for him, and then the unemployable blokes

761
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 5: send him out to a mine. So they all get

762
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 5: wrapped in cotton wool, and there's all safety regulations and

763
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:56,359
Speaker 5: everything that takes care of them, you know.

764
00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:59,360
Speaker 3: And every one of those people is good at different stuff,

765
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:02,799
Speaker 3: all right, But when it comes to showing up at

766
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 3: a job and earning money to be able to put

767
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 3: the food in the fridge and a roof over their head,

768
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 3: maybe that's not the greatest. Maybe that I'm at my

769
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 3: absolute capacity when I'm wrapped in cotton wall like this

770
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 3: is really hard for me. But other people will look

771
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 3: at them and go this person will look at that

772
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 3: a like and go, what do you mean you didn't

773
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 3: understandhen your wife was up at with you?

774
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:22,400
Speaker 2: How did you not notice that emotion in her face?

775
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 2: All right? Which is me.

776
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 5: But you do need and it doesn't matter whether it's

777
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 5: the it's the committee for the school, social committe committee

778
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 5: or workforce or whatever.

779
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 4: You need the eco system.

780
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 5: You can't have all top for fooders, or you can't

781
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 5: have all microscopic krill. You've got to have the whole

782
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:52,239
Speaker 5: system otherwise it fails the wisdom of Grandad.

783
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 2: How lucky we are.

784
00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 4: Now, that's just my opinion.

785
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 2: Don't don't down trying to regret yourself. Man, don't be

786
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,920
Speaker 2: doing that. Australian. You know that is you don't how

787
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 2: valuable it is.

788
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 3: What you just like, that's a lesson that you have

789
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 3: brought from decades and decades and decades of doing it

790
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:13,839
Speaker 3: and helping keep with people safe and delivery outcomes and

791
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:15,839
Speaker 3: making sure that someone isn't called lefty for the rest

792
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 3: of their life because they've done something dumb. All right,

793
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 3: You're able to identify in someone you Okay, you're gonna

794
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 3: go over there. You're fine, you go over there, and

795
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:25,799
Speaker 3: that that's amazing, you know. And if we just kind

796
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 3: of understand a bit more that it's nobody's fault. This

797
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 3: is how we're born, and everyone's got a different stuff.

798
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 3: We're you're off of value in different ways and that's okay.

799
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 3: You know, we don't all have to be elite, all right.

800
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 3: This is don't believe the podcast see even this one.

801
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:43,800
Speaker 1: I agree that were you exactly right? I think everyone

802
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:46,240
Speaker 1: has their own specialties, right, and like, you know, find

803
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 1: what you're good at and enjoy it and find that

804
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:49,320
Speaker 1: passion and have a crack.

805
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:51,239
Speaker 2: What was it about you? You're a fier young man.

806
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 3: What was about you that made you go yeah, Sydney, Nah.

807
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 1: Oh gosh. Look, I had a great I did have

808
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 1: a good two years here. It was nice, you know,

809
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 1: I had a lot of fun. I was living in

810
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:05,319
Speaker 1: Surrey Hills. I was, you know, twenty four twenty five.

811
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,800
Speaker 1: I had my own loft department, and I was working

812
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 1: in the media as a journalist on the telly and

813
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 1: on the radio and things like that. You know, had

814
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 1: a lot of cool friends who are in that space

815
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 1: as well. But it was challenging. And even what we

816
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:21,399
Speaker 1: sort of mentioned before about that, like feeling a bit

817
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 1: lonely in a city like this, it's very easy. There's

818
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:27,400
Speaker 1: something about the Kimberly or regional towns. People just pop in.

819
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:30,319
Speaker 1: People just just pop into your house literally, you know,

820
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 1: we'll just drive into the driveway, walk out, see who

821
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 1: it is. You don't you don't see that here. Something

822
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 1: guy didn't like about the city was if you wanted

823
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:39,720
Speaker 1: to see someone, if you want to see a friend,

824
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:42,399
Speaker 1: you know, you could call them on a Friday night

825
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 1: and they'll say I'm free next Thursday. That to me

826
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 1: is insane, you know, it's I almost came here with

827
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 1: this now will never mentality, like, what do you mean

828
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:53,319
Speaker 1: you're busy till next Thursday? Like you're four kilometers away,

829
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:56,240
Speaker 1: you're in Newtown. But after living in Sydney, I realized

830
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:58,279
Speaker 1: that's just how it rolls. You need a book things in,

831
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:00,360
Speaker 1: you know, it is a hassle actually hop on a

832
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 1: train to go out to you know, bell Maine or

833
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 1: wherever it may be. In the afternoon. You won't get

834
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 1: home till ten. Then you won't get up early to

835
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 1: go to the gym, and it starts having this impact

836
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 1: on your life. And so I just thought, after two years,

837
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 1: this isn't the way to live for me. You know,

838
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 1: I am not thriving in this environment. I don't like

839
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 1: hopping on buses to go across town. I don't like

840
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 1: the constant noise. I don't like having a book in

841
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 1: to see friends. You know, I don't like that If

842
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:27,359
Speaker 1: I need a new T shirt, yeah I've got some

843
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 1: fancy place in the city. I actually don't want to

844
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 1: jump on a tram to go to the city. I

845
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 1: want to hop in a car that's parked at the

846
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:36,280
Speaker 1: front of my door, and I want to drive without

847
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:40,959
Speaker 1: any stop lights to the nearest department store that has

848
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:43,359
Speaker 1: all of your clothes, get it, put it in the boot,

849
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:45,239
Speaker 1: and drive home. Do your shopping while you're there. You

850
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 1: can't do that here. And so for me, it just

851
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:49,719
Speaker 1: made sense. And here's something I always I sort of

852
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:51,319
Speaker 1: always speak out to a lot of people who live

853
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 1: in the city and think about regional towns. Is when

854
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 1: you live in the city, after about ten weeks, you'll

855
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 1: be thinking, oh, I need to get out of town.

856
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 1: I need a weekend away. It could be as far

857
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 1: as Woollongong, it could be as far as Newcastle or Terrigle,

858
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 1: wherever it may be. And you get out for a weekend,

859
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:10,759
Speaker 1: you rejuvenate, you come back into the rat race. I

860
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:14,360
Speaker 1: much prefer living in a constant state of being out bush,

861
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:17,360
Speaker 1: in a regional town of serenity, of peace and calm,

862
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 1: And every ten weeks I go I need a big

863
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 1: weekend away in Sydney and I fly across the country.

864
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:25,279
Speaker 1: I see all my friends, I go out to cool

865
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 1: fancy events, wear nice clothes, eat good food, and disappear

866
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:29,759
Speaker 1: again and that works for me.

867
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 3: And the knees get put back away for forty eight

868
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 3: hours and then the knees are free once again.

869
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:36,280
Speaker 1: One hundred percent.

870
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:39,920
Speaker 3: That's exactly right as my wife Claus Trouser's leg of prisons.

871
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:46,799
Speaker 3: I feel like, yeah, look absolutely, I'm absolutely sure of it.

872
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 3: I want you both to know I pitched the shit

873
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 3: out of the sales team here and I said, guys,

874
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 3: let's get a Telco or Starlink or someone on board

875
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 3: to sponsor us to go up there, and we'll do

876
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:00,759
Speaker 3: a whole fucking thing where there aallenge is to cook

877
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 3: mea food.

878
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:04,319
Speaker 2: All right, we would have been able, we would have

879
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:05,800
Speaker 2: been able to trade. No, I still want to know.

880
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:06,839
Speaker 2: I want to pitching you guys now.

881
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 1: Oh if we could get you up and you know,

882
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:10,840
Speaker 1: we'd be pleased to have you up in the Kimberly

883
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:13,759
Speaker 1: and we could absolutely cook you a very very delicious

884
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 1: meal based around as you mentioned. You know, there's requirements easily,

885
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:20,239
Speaker 1: and you know there's something really nice about it, Like

886
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 1: even a lot of food we make, it's not even

887
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 1: the end result. Like the fun part is the cooking.

888
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:27,319
Speaker 1: The fun part is sitting under the Kimberly Rangers Yeah,

889
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:31,920
Speaker 1: watching the most immaculate, clear blue sky, dry season afternoon

890
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 1: roll in and cooking a meal on a fire. That's

891
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 1: the best part of it.

892
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:44,800
Speaker 3: I would like to ask you, and you know, you

893
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 3: know you can do what you want with this. Men

894
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 3: don't talk face to face out you know. And I'm

895
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 3: sure when you were stopping on the side of the

896
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 3: road having a cup of tea or someone, you probably

897
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:55,360
Speaker 3: weren't standing very close to them because of that personal

898
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 3: space thing that you're both quite used to. You're probably

899
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:00,399
Speaker 3: you know, but men do talk shoulder to shoulder when

900
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 3: men are doing something together, that's when we kind of

901
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:06,400
Speaker 3: talk and we do open up. What is the What

902
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 3: have you both found has changed in your relationship since

903
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 3: you started working like this.

904
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 1: Your relationship will change with your parents and peers as

905
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 1: you get older and different. You know, my relationship with

906
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 1: my own father has changed over the years and gotten

907
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:24,799
Speaker 1: a lot better. Like it was never bad, it's just

908
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 1: gotten better. You know, we're more like friends now, I

909
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 1: would say as an aliment like that with granddad. You know,

910
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 1: I was just like a kid with Granddad, you know,

911
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 1: riding motorbikes and going out bush going and family holidays.

912
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:37,799
Speaker 1: It's been kind of nice to somewhat come back. I've

913
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 1: worked away a lot, I've lived in different places, so

914
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:43,320
Speaker 1: even to like kind of big base back in Windom,

915
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 1: not as of six months ago, but as of like

916
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:46,920
Speaker 1: a few years back, and start doing this adventure with Granddad.

917
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:50,239
Speaker 1: It's been fun. I guess like I've been getting older too.

918
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 1: When we went to Europe, you know, I was like

919
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:54,799
Speaker 1: twenty three years old or something, and I remember one

920
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 1: morning I've never told Granddad this is you know, I'd

921
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 1: been out all night and as i'd got back, we

922
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 1: had adjacent hotels, and I went out into the balcony

923
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:05,879
Speaker 1: at about eight am, and as I peaped my head out,

924
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 1: he was out there having his coffee, and so I

925
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 1: just closed the door. I went back inside, went to bed,

926
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 1: you know, like having completely opposite you know times in

927
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 1: Europe of like you know, having a nice early night

928
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:18,279
Speaker 1: and waking up having his coffee, me getting home in

929
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:20,400
Speaker 1: the morning. But it was then sort of funny, like

930
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 1: you know, I am then becoming more of an adult,

931
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:25,399
Speaker 1: like and I'm not a nineteen year old now, I'm

932
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 1: twenty three. And so we're adventuring through Europe together, and so.

933
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 3: Are you imagining that your grandfather never came home at

934
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:33,880
Speaker 3: six in the morning.

935
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 1: As I've gotten older, let me tell you, As I've

936
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 1: gotten older, man, Granddad had been able to talk more

937
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 1: about that sort of stuff and to talk about those

938
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:46,840
Speaker 1: sort of mischiefs and to talk about these like you know,

939
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 1: relationships and things like that, because you know, I've grown

940
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 1: into more of a young adult myself. So I mean

941
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 1: it's been a really valuable thing. It's been good. Like

942
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 1: as I'm getting older, you know, and me and Grandad

943
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 1: are able to do this adventure together. It's been fun.

944
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 1: You know, there's been It can be challenging. We fly

945
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 1: around a lot, you know. We've got ten flights in

946
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 1: the next two weeks. That's really tough on me and

947
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:08,359
Speaker 1: I fly a lot, you know, and so you know,

948
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 1: Granddad will also feel that effect of ten hotels, ten

949
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:15,320
Speaker 1: flights two weeks. But we get to do all together,

950
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 1: which which is the which is the great part, you know,

951
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 1: it's the it's the fun part of it.

952
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:24,440
Speaker 3: Having seen and raised, you know, men out in a

953
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:27,279
Speaker 3: part of Australia where men are man men. You know,

954
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:31,319
Speaker 3: what would you say is important when it comes to

955
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:34,319
Speaker 3: helping boys become good men.

956
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 4: I don't know that I should be giving me.

957
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 3: Well, I can tell you this, you should because he's

958
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:43,760
Speaker 3: a good man and you've been a part of his upbringing.

959
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:48,959
Speaker 5: Oh, I think we were just sort of having fun

960
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:49,719
Speaker 5: most of the time.

961
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 4: Well, I don't know what would you say.

962
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:53,840
Speaker 2: What would you say say.

963
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 3: When you were in in a management position, right, and

964
00:44:57,040 --> 00:45:00,319
Speaker 3: God's have been idiot and you're trying to I talk

965
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:02,279
Speaker 3: to them about treating each other, okay, And you know.

966
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:05,919
Speaker 4: You just sort of.

967
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 5: Explain to the blokes the focus of their life at

968
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 5: work is getting the job done. If they have personal

969
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 5: issues to deal with, deal with them in their own time.

970
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:27,320
Speaker 5: You know, you don't want blokes fighting and arguing at work.

971
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 5: And the focus has to be we've got to get

972
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:35,760
Speaker 5: those cattle on that on that boat before on nine hundred.

973
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 4: Otherwise we leave the lose the tide and we can't.

974
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 4: We've got to start loading, you know.

975
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 5: And there's cattle up in the cattle and the cattle

976
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 5: yards and the money tic tick for the customer, and

977
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:50,359
Speaker 5: he will really like us if we managed to get

978
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 5: this job done.

979
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 2: Let me let me put it this way back.

980
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:56,440
Speaker 3: So when I talk to my my son Warfi, right,

981
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:00,719
Speaker 3: I just try to you know, just like if you

982
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 3: be anything, be kind and be useful, that's it, all right.

983
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 2: Whenever we're doing that, I just try to bring them

984
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 2: back to this. Okay, okay, that's is that kind? Not

985
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 2: really that kind what that.

986
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:11,920
Speaker 3: Person did to you or you know, we just try

987
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 3: to be kind and we'll try to be we try

988
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 3: to be useful, try to be helpful, because both those

989
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:18,319
Speaker 3: things are good for them and it's good fast. I'm

990
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 3: just wondering if there was anything along those lines.

991
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:25,719
Speaker 5: Lot A lot of times actions are more important than

992
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 5: words anyway.

993
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 4: But yeah, what you were saying is, you know, just

994
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 4: help people out.

995
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:34,719
Speaker 5: And do you know, if you see someone struggle, struggling,

996
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 5: struggling with someone something, just help them.

997
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 3: You know, let's see, because we're all here together, you know,

998
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:42,400
Speaker 3: as much as the people who don't look at you

999
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 3: on the street or me in the street in Sorry Hills,

1000
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:47,400
Speaker 3: don't we're all here together. You know, something bad happens

1001
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:48,840
Speaker 3: to one of us, that kind of we're all a

1002
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:50,799
Speaker 3: part of it, totally. I could talk to you guys

1003
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 3: all day, but I know you've got a lot of

1004
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:54,920
Speaker 3: lot to do and that there's a bit of horizon

1005
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 3: there can she a bit of sky there.

1006
00:46:58,280 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 2: It's a bit of open water. You can go and

1007
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 2: see by the water through. Amazing to have you guys,

1008
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:05,440
Speaker 2: and I'm I hope we can.

1009
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 3: Say in touch because I'm going to try and work

1010
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 3: out how we could get up there.

1011
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 2: So lose it man.

1012
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:11,400
Speaker 1: Thanks for writing the book, guys, thanks so much, and

1013
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:12,920
Speaker 1: thanks having much. I really appreciate it.

1014
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 3: That was out back, Tom and Granddad Coln Bush. Easy

1015
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:24,360
Speaker 3: Campfire Recipes is the name of the book. If you

1016
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 3: can make a cheesecake on a campfire, then you are

1017
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:29,839
Speaker 3: my hero because that is some proper, proper business right there.

1018
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:31,399
Speaker 2: It's a fabulous read.

1019
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:33,720
Speaker 3: They're lovely human beings and you can follow them wherever

1020
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:35,879
Speaker 3: you need to follow their stuff because and it's well

1021
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 3: worth it because they're excellent humans. If you do have

1022
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 3: a copy of my new books, so what now?

1023
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:40,279
Speaker 2: What?

1024
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:43,360
Speaker 3: Please do me a massive kindness and leave a review.

1025
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 3: I'll put a link that'll take you directly to the

1026
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:48,319
Speaker 3: review page on Amazon, which really really helps me out.

1027
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:50,799
Speaker 3: If you haven't got the book yet, eh, there's a

1028
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 3: link there to buy the book as well, and then

1029
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:52,799
Speaker 3: you can.

1030
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:53,360
Speaker 2: Leave a review.

1031
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:55,799
Speaker 3: Why not, And while you're there, grab a ticket to

1032
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 3: the next episode of story Club.

1033
00:47:57,239 --> 00:48:00,879
Speaker 2: Next episode, next show I call them, next epio. We're

1034
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 2: filming it.

1035
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:03,919
Speaker 3: We're filming which one there's on the substack September seventh

1036
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 3: at the Factory Theater with Greteley Jackson, Nigel Marsh, John Glover,

1037
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 3: Sashi Pereira and more yet to be in. Now we've

1038
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:13,440
Speaker 3: got one more person. I can't say her name right

1039
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:14,920
Speaker 3: now because she hasn't locked it in, but hopefully by

1040
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 3: the end of today. But then I've got to finish

1041
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:18,480
Speaker 3: recording this but it never mind. Links to all later

1042
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 3: in the show notes. Thanks Adam bunch Of for producing

1043
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:20,879
Speaker 3: this show.

1044
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 2: I'll see you Monday.