WEBVTT - The Late Debate | 18 December 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:07.520 Wait, welcome to the Lake deer Plase. Good evening and 0:00:07.800 --> 0:00:09.160 welcome to the show. 0:00:09.360 --> 0:00:12.120 I'm Liz Stora and joining me this evening is Joe 0:00:12.160 --> 0:00:17.160 Hildebrand and Gabriella Power for being here, guys, and thank 0:00:17.200 --> 0:00:19.520 you for being here. If it weren't for you, we 0:00:19.560 --> 0:00:23.200 wouldn't have a show, So you're the real MVPs. Coming 0:00:23.280 --> 0:00:27.840 up tonight, the Curious case continues for the man accused 0:00:27.960 --> 0:00:32.760 of convicted of I should say, killing George Floyd. The 0:00:32.840 --> 0:00:37.559 case is resumed with new bombshell reports. Will take you 0:00:37.640 --> 0:00:41.840 up to speed on that shortly. Secondly, a massive win 0:00:42.000 --> 0:00:47.120 for the Irish in the High Court regarding another another 0:00:47.280 --> 0:00:52.519 settlement of refugees. It's not going ahead and it's opened 0:00:52.600 --> 0:00:55.040 up a can of worms in the country. 0:00:55.080 --> 0:00:56.240 What's going to happen next? 0:00:56.280 --> 0:00:59.720 And if you're struggling to get into the Christmas spirit, 0:00:59.840 --> 0:01:04.200 We've got sixty seconds of bliss that I guarantee will 0:01:04.240 --> 0:01:07.800 have you feeling like Santa himself, So keep watching for that. 0:01:08.120 --> 0:01:12.080 But first tonight to the UK where people have gathered 0:01:12.160 --> 0:01:17.479 outside BBC headquarters to protest who they decided to give 0:01:17.600 --> 0:01:22.280 Woman Footballer of the Year Award two. Her name is 0:01:22.640 --> 0:01:26.200 Barbara Bander a twenty four year old who plays. 0:01:25.880 --> 0:01:29.360 In the UK, and she has been awarded this. 0:01:29.400 --> 0:01:33.120 Despite the fact that she was previously withdrawn from the 0:01:33.160 --> 0:01:37.360 twenty twenty two Women's Africa Cup of Nations over gender 0:01:37.560 --> 0:01:43.839 regulation concerns ie she had failed a sex test. Here's 0:01:43.920 --> 0:01:47.039 Barbara Banda on Tuesday receiving the award. 0:01:53.160 --> 0:02:01.920 Congratulations. 0:02:02.480 --> 0:02:07.400 Women's rights advocates have gotten quite a crowd outside of 0:02:07.480 --> 0:02:11.320 BBC headquarters to say, couldn't you just pick a woman 0:02:11.680 --> 0:02:16.560 who doesn't have these kinds of allegations surrounding her? Now, 0:02:16.639 --> 0:02:21.160 it's not known that Barbara is a trans woman. No, 0:02:21.280 --> 0:02:24.760 it's more likely that she falls under the category of 0:02:24.960 --> 0:02:29.720 having DSD, which is disorder of sex development, which you 0:02:29.840 --> 0:02:34.040 probably remember from the many conversations that were had around 0:02:34.080 --> 0:02:38.960 in Main Khalif following the big punch up pun intended 0:02:39.160 --> 0:02:42.280 at the French A limb picks Gabby. 0:02:42.440 --> 0:02:45.400 You'd think that this would just be straightforward by now. 0:02:45.440 --> 0:02:49.000 If you fail a sex test, there are real question 0:02:49.120 --> 0:02:52.720 marks over your eligibility receiving an award, especially from the 0:02:52.800 --> 0:02:55.840 national broadcaster that's supposed to be a. 0:02:55.840 --> 0:02:59.359 Woman's Footballer of the Year award. This one shouldn't be 0:02:59.360 --> 0:02:59.839 a hard one. 0:03:00.000 --> 0:03:02.640 I think it's a really bizarre choice from the BBC 0:03:03.120 --> 0:03:07.040 to award a Barbara Banda the Woman's Footballer of the Year. 0:03:07.080 --> 0:03:10.240 It's obviously going to spark controversy, especially that it was 0:03:10.320 --> 0:03:12.600 just two years ago that she failed to meet the 0:03:13.200 --> 0:03:17.920 gender eligibility rules to even compete because her levels of 0:03:17.919 --> 0:03:22.720 testosterone were just extraordinarily high. However, I do feel sorry 0:03:22.760 --> 0:03:25.960 for her in this case because it's not like she 0:03:26.120 --> 0:03:28.400 was born a male and she's changed her sex and 0:03:28.440 --> 0:03:30.200 she's wanting to compete. 0:03:30.160 --> 0:03:32.880 In female sports. I'm all for, you know, getting men 0:03:33.000 --> 0:03:34.600 out of female. 0:03:34.320 --> 0:03:37.680 Sports, keeping it safe, but it's not really her fault 0:03:37.760 --> 0:03:42.120 that she has this extraordinarily high level of testosterone. I 0:03:42.160 --> 0:03:44.520 do understand that she had the choice to take medication 0:03:44.720 --> 0:03:47.520 to bring the level of testosterone back down. She didn't 0:03:47.520 --> 0:03:50.560 want to do that for medical reasons or the risk 0:03:50.600 --> 0:03:52.960 of side effects, and that's her choice as well. 0:03:53.000 --> 0:03:55.680 But you know, if she's an athlete. 0:03:55.200 --> 0:03:58.400 She's obviously good at what she does and she wants 0:03:58.480 --> 0:03:58.800 to play. 0:03:58.840 --> 0:03:59.840 It's not her fault that the. 0:03:59.760 --> 0:04:03.720 Babe want to award her, you know, this award. 0:04:04.440 --> 0:04:05.680 I mean, it's not. 0:04:05.680 --> 0:04:08.920 Joe, but it was just October this year that we're 0:04:08.920 --> 0:04:11.240 all talking about the fact that even the UN had 0:04:11.280 --> 0:04:15.720 handed down a report which found hundreds of women had 0:04:15.760 --> 0:04:19.640 missed out on heaps of medals. Over six hundred female 0:04:19.680 --> 0:04:22.960 athletes in more than four hundred competitions. This report said 0:04:22.960 --> 0:04:25.800 by the UN lost more than eight hundred and ninety 0:04:25.920 --> 0:04:30.640 medals in twenty nine different sports. And that's not just 0:04:30.760 --> 0:04:34.679 speaking of trans women competing with women. That is speaking 0:04:34.720 --> 0:04:39.719 of these athletes that do have an insane advantage over 0:04:40.000 --> 0:04:44.400 your average the capacity of an average sporting woman due 0:04:44.440 --> 0:04:45.520 to having DSD. 0:04:45.880 --> 0:04:47.880 Yeah, look, I get that, but I kind of think 0:04:48.160 --> 0:04:49.760 I'm a bit with Gab on this one. I mean, 0:04:49.880 --> 0:04:51.680 what she's supposed to do. It's the way that she 0:04:51.800 --> 0:04:56.040 was born. She's accepting the biology she was born with. 0:04:56.200 --> 0:04:58.480 It's a matter of fairness, But I mean, is it. 0:04:58.560 --> 0:05:01.080 I mean like some people get born and they're, you know, 0:05:01.520 --> 0:05:04.440 seven foot tall, and they make fantastic basketballers and they're 0:05:04.440 --> 0:05:07.280 going to kick my little white toush every time on them. 0:05:07.279 --> 0:05:10.760 No, I don't think anyone's arguing about Barbara's fault. I 0:05:10.800 --> 0:05:13.600 think the all eyes are on the national broadcast are 0:05:13.600 --> 0:05:17.600 saying why out of all the remarkable woman footballers we have. 0:05:18.080 --> 0:05:21.000 Would you choose someone who's failed a sex test? 0:05:21.200 --> 0:05:23.200 Well, I think we know why, and we're talking about it. 0:05:23.560 --> 0:05:26.320 I think they did it. They clearly did it deliberately 0:05:26.400 --> 0:05:28.000 to sort of show that they were like right on 0:05:28.000 --> 0:05:30.599 the cutting edge of you know, we're so gageous we 0:05:30.640 --> 0:05:33.520 are look how you know care weer And obviously, you know, 0:05:33.839 --> 0:05:36.120 the BBC would have known that this is after all, 0:05:36.120 --> 0:05:38.520 the media organization. They would have known that this would 0:05:38.520 --> 0:05:40.840 cause a bit of controversy. It gives a huge amount 0:05:40.880 --> 0:05:42.920 of publicity for their award and also makes them look 0:05:43.000 --> 0:05:45.760 like they're kind of, you know, at the vanguard of 0:05:45.839 --> 0:05:49.280 you know, trans inclusion or whatever. But again not, she's 0:05:49.320 --> 0:05:52.600 not even trans, So I don't really like, I don't 0:05:52.640 --> 0:05:54.200 understand what she's supposed to. So this is the thing 0:05:54.240 --> 0:05:56.520 that I don't mean it's on. 0:05:56.560 --> 0:05:59.599 Her at all, Like I say, it's no one's an 0:05:59.640 --> 0:06:00.400 actual But if she. 0:06:00.360 --> 0:06:04.800 Can compete, then she can get the award. Either she's not. 0:06:05.320 --> 0:06:08.160 Do you think that's fair that the BBC, the National 0:06:08.200 --> 0:06:12.120 broadcast had decided out of all the other females who 0:06:12.240 --> 0:06:16.120 would have to work twice as hard to compete as 0:06:16.160 --> 0:06:18.000 well as Barbara miss out on the. 0:06:18.000 --> 0:06:20.440 Awards both the BBC can it's their award, they can 0:06:20.480 --> 0:06:22.359 give it to whoever they want. I think the question 0:06:22.480 --> 0:06:25.880 the question is whether or not women with higher levels 0:06:25.880 --> 0:06:29.560 of testosterone should be able to play women's sport, And 0:06:29.560 --> 0:06:34.360 then the question becomes should women who were born biological 0:06:34.760 --> 0:06:37.920 males be allowed to play sport? And then the question comes, 0:06:37.960 --> 0:06:40.279 you know, is that does there have to be some 0:06:40.400 --> 0:06:43.760 kind of testosterone or estrogen level to be met? 0:06:43.839 --> 0:06:46.919 And the board as well, because she wasn't allowed to 0:06:46.960 --> 0:06:50.280 play in twenty twenty two. You know, that was when 0:06:50.720 --> 0:06:53.600 the standard was much higher than it is to even 0:06:53.640 --> 0:06:55.560 compete in the Olympics, so she was allowed to compete 0:06:55.600 --> 0:06:57.800 in the Olympics, so you know it should probably be 0:06:58.839 --> 0:06:59.320 it's the same. 0:06:59.360 --> 0:07:02.320 That's why has the standard dropped? 0:07:02.520 --> 0:07:05.840 Why is this UK and seen as something that ought 0:07:05.880 --> 0:07:08.440 to be celebrated. Yeah, it turns out all the best 0:07:08.440 --> 0:07:12.880 sports women are men or someone with DSD. I think 0:07:13.080 --> 0:07:19.240 JK Rolling, infamous women's rights advocate. I think she summed 0:07:19.240 --> 0:07:21.640 it up well in her tweet today she said presumably 0:07:21.760 --> 0:07:25.200 the BBC decided this was more time efficient than going 0:07:25.280 --> 0:07:29.880 door to door to spit directly in women's faces, well said, 0:07:30.040 --> 0:07:32.320 I say, staying in the UK. 0:07:32.280 --> 0:07:33.920 Now point rolling. 0:07:34.160 --> 0:07:37.120 I have to say I normally back her on most cases, 0:07:37.200 --> 0:07:40.040 especially when she gets hit by transactivists, you know, saying 0:07:40.080 --> 0:07:42.960 the most horrific, vicious things to try and take her down. 0:07:43.080 --> 0:07:45.679 So but on this case, I'm not one hundred percent 0:07:45.720 --> 0:07:47.400 sure I agree. But I think when people are trying 0:07:47.400 --> 0:07:49.720 to do so much to protect women in sports, it's 0:07:49.720 --> 0:07:53.040 just kind of a really prerocative choice, I guess by 0:07:53.080 --> 0:07:54.080 the BBC. 0:07:54.520 --> 0:07:58.000 Absolutely, and I don't think it's fair whatsoever. Staying in 0:07:58.000 --> 0:08:01.080 the UK Now, a former Lib DEM candidate back in 0:08:01.160 --> 0:08:05.400 December twenty eighteen, was on her way to a Libdems 0:08:05.520 --> 0:08:09.400 meeting thinking it was just another day in paradise. It 0:08:09.480 --> 0:08:12.560 ain't Natalie Bird and she was told when she got 0:08:12.560 --> 0:08:15.720 there by the convener of the meeting that she had 0:08:15.800 --> 0:08:20.960 to leave immediately. Her crime she'd worn a T shirt 0:08:21.480 --> 0:08:28.000 defining what a woman is it's simply read adult human female. 0:08:28.160 --> 0:08:31.600 For this, she was ostracized for holding a view she 0:08:31.720 --> 0:08:35.400 has every right to hold by the party. She was 0:08:35.440 --> 0:08:40.320 suspended from the lib Dems and ban from standing as 0:08:40.360 --> 0:08:44.880 an MP for a decade. She's now Earlier this year 0:08:44.960 --> 0:08:47.840 decided to take them to court for this. Initially she 0:08:47.960 --> 0:08:52.600 was asking for ten thousand pounds for hurt feelings. I'm 0:08:52.640 --> 0:08:58.240 not exaggerating. The quote says for injury to feelings. End quote. 0:08:58.559 --> 0:09:03.000 But now she's decided she's after ninety k Joe. I 0:09:03.160 --> 0:09:07.560 was all for this woman. I thought, yes, fight, fight fights. 0:09:07.600 --> 0:09:11.600 This is abjectly unfair. And then I found out that 0:09:11.800 --> 0:09:16.480 now she's just up to the price by eighty thousand pounds. 0:09:17.480 --> 0:09:20.600 And I think she's taking the meeting, which is. 0:09:19.720 --> 0:09:23.200 A thing, right Like, she's complaining that. You know, the 0:09:23.240 --> 0:09:26.080 Lib Dems have banned her from going to any Liberal 0:09:26.080 --> 0:09:30.200 Democrat meetings, They've banned her from associating with Lib Dems. 0:09:30.200 --> 0:09:33.520 They've banned her for standing as a Libdem candidate. Where's 0:09:33.559 --> 0:09:38.760 the punishment you should be? You're so good to it. 0:09:39.520 --> 0:09:42.120 This is the best thing about this issue, right, This 0:09:42.200 --> 0:09:44.520 is the most fantastic thing about it, because it is 0:09:44.720 --> 0:09:47.680 tearing apart the inner city love is. It's tearing apart 0:09:47.720 --> 0:09:50.200 the inner city Left. It's tearing apart the Victorian Greens. 0:09:50.679 --> 0:09:54.520 Every single meeting that the Victorian Greens have, every single 0:09:54.559 --> 0:09:57.760 pre selection they have. Somehow this issue manages to creep 0:09:57.800 --> 0:10:01.080 into it and just explode them. It's either like a 0:10:01.120 --> 0:10:03.960 fight between people who think maybe we should just talk 0:10:04.000 --> 0:10:07.320 about anything other than trans rights for just like one minute, 0:10:07.679 --> 0:10:10.440 and they think that this is the new frontier. You know, 0:10:10.600 --> 0:10:12.440 we've got same sex marriage. Now we've got to get 0:10:12.480 --> 0:10:14.280 transit us over the line, and you have to throw 0:10:14.280 --> 0:10:16.600 everything at it. And then of course you've got at 0:10:16.600 --> 0:10:19.160 the same time the sort of radical feminists and the 0:10:19.200 --> 0:10:23.200 former you know almost like I don't know, you know, 0:10:23.200 --> 0:10:25.320 he would have lesbian separatists back in the day, you 0:10:25.360 --> 0:10:28.880 know that you know, all heterosexual sex is a violation 0:10:29.040 --> 0:10:30.760 and that women can only feel say around other women. 0:10:30.960 --> 0:10:32.600 And now you've got all these people who would have 0:10:32.640 --> 0:10:35.560 ended up in the Greens, and they are now the 0:10:35.640 --> 0:10:41.000 turfs who are being threatened, they think, by trans women. 0:10:42.559 --> 0:10:47.040 And so it is the ultimate left eating itself almost 0:10:47.280 --> 0:10:51.280 via you know, insertion of its own. You know, it 0:10:51.360 --> 0:10:53.520 is so far up itself that is actually just consuming 0:10:53.559 --> 0:10:57.439 itself within. It's like it's like it's like the human centipede. 0:10:57.440 --> 0:10:58.400 But there's just one. 0:11:00.480 --> 0:11:03.240 No reds to that was I don't know that she's 0:11:03.280 --> 0:11:06.720 going to get this payout though, Gabby, because as the 0:11:06.760 --> 0:11:09.440 party who of course fighting this tooth and now have 0:11:09.520 --> 0:11:13.199 pointed out much of the bullying that she's suing for 0:11:13.720 --> 0:11:17.760 was by activists, not by people within the party themselves. 0:11:17.840 --> 0:11:19.319 They of course had made this. 0:11:19.360 --> 0:11:23.120 Disciplinary measure for which they were happy to pay her 0:11:23.200 --> 0:11:24.160 ten thousand K. 0:11:24.360 --> 0:11:25.960 They owned it, they conceded. 0:11:26.280 --> 0:11:28.480 But now she's going for ninety K and they're like, 0:11:28.520 --> 0:11:31.199 we're not taking ability for things that activists. 0:11:31.200 --> 0:11:34.040 Then, as he said, taking the mickey on this one, 0:11:34.080 --> 0:11:36.640 I think as a big big red flag around at 0:11:36.679 --> 0:11:38.800 Natalie Bird. I was with you where you're going to. 0:11:38.920 --> 0:11:41.840 You see her coming out. She's wearing the so the 0:11:41.920 --> 0:11:46.920 T shirt that's so offensive, saying women are adult human females. Yes, 0:11:47.080 --> 0:11:49.959 I'm proud of her actually wearing something like that. 0:11:50.080 --> 0:11:51.439 She's absolutely entitled to. 0:11:51.960 --> 0:11:54.680 But when you start carrying on claiming to be a victim, 0:11:54.679 --> 0:11:56.680 and that's part of her claim is that she suffered 0:11:57.080 --> 0:12:00.360 a victimization. Any one of us can claim that they've 0:12:00.400 --> 0:12:03.240 been victimized over whatever reason, and you can. I think 0:12:03.320 --> 0:12:06.240 if you're chasing this party for money, as much money 0:12:06.240 --> 0:12:08.680 as she can, she's better off using her time doing 0:12:08.720 --> 0:12:11.040 something else. If she really cares about women's rights, what 0:12:11.080 --> 0:12:13.480 have issues that she wants to divide about she can 0:12:13.520 --> 0:12:17.000 do something proactive and trying to get ninety thousand dollars 0:12:17.360 --> 0:12:19.079 just seems absolutely outraged. 0:12:19.720 --> 0:12:20.120 Look at it. 0:12:20.200 --> 0:12:22.520 She wants the ninety thousand dollars to buy ninety thousand 0:12:22.600 --> 0:12:23.440 new T shirts. 0:12:24.240 --> 0:12:27.560 I I can't imagine that the lib Dems have that 0:12:27.640 --> 0:12:28.800 kind of money anyway. 0:12:28.960 --> 0:12:31.680 So that's a very important thing to do, lady. 0:12:31.720 --> 0:12:34.040 Before you sue someone, you need to make sure that 0:12:34.120 --> 0:12:37.679 they have the money to cough up before you even bother. 0:12:37.920 --> 0:12:41.839 Back to Australia now, where we all know that Candace Owens, 0:12:41.840 --> 0:12:47.040 inarguably the most famous conservative female commentator on the face 0:12:47.040 --> 0:12:51.000 of the planet, has been denied a visa to Australia. 0:12:51.200 --> 0:12:54.480 Tony Burke is worried that she will well that she 0:12:54.679 --> 0:12:59.960 has the capacity to incite discord and quote we'll keep 0:13:00.520 --> 0:13:03.440 has challenged this in the High Court. 0:13:03.640 --> 0:13:04.480 She's saying this. 0:13:04.480 --> 0:13:08.679 Amounts to censorship and she's not wrong. This amounts to censorship. 0:13:08.800 --> 0:13:11.160 I won't stand for it. I'm going to take every 0:13:11.200 --> 0:13:15.800 avenue available to me to challenge this in justice. It's 0:13:15.840 --> 0:13:19.480 going to be a very interesting case. We saw very 0:13:19.480 --> 0:13:24.600 recently New Zealand overturned their initial ban on her visa, 0:13:24.800 --> 0:13:28.600 her doing a speaking tour there. It remains to be 0:13:28.720 --> 0:13:32.520 seen where whether Tony Burt's call will. 0:13:32.320 --> 0:13:35.360 Actually stand up in the High Court. I have a 0:13:35.360 --> 0:13:36.600 feeling it won't. 0:13:36.720 --> 0:13:39.000 Gabby, Yeah, I don't think that it will. 0:13:39.200 --> 0:13:42.640 I think this one's quite difficult because we've got a 0:13:42.760 --> 0:13:46.880 crisis at the moment right here with it with anti Semitism. 0:13:46.960 --> 0:13:50.120 We're seeing that play out. So I understand why the 0:13:50.240 --> 0:13:54.880 visa was denied. I suppose I think anything at the 0:13:54.920 --> 0:13:58.400 moment that could kind of make the social cohesion worse 0:13:58.400 --> 0:14:01.280 in Australia. We don't want to anyone here that is 0:14:01.320 --> 0:14:05.120 going to be sharing anti Semitic views. However, I also 0:14:05.679 --> 0:14:07.440 believe in the freedom of speech and I just don't 0:14:07.480 --> 0:14:08.600 think you can censor people. 0:14:08.600 --> 0:14:10.080 And thinking she already has a platform. 0:14:10.120 --> 0:14:12.480 We've got five million people following her on Instagram, We've 0:14:12.480 --> 0:14:14.719 got six million people following her on Twitter. If you're 0:14:14.720 --> 0:14:16.640 going to say she can't come to Australia, people that 0:14:16.720 --> 0:14:18.840 want to listen to her are going to find a way. 0:14:18.679 --> 0:14:19.240 To listen to her. 0:14:19.800 --> 0:14:22.280 You've actually so that's it, and it could even have 0:14:22.320 --> 0:14:24.640 the reverse effect. All of a sudden, you know, people 0:14:24.640 --> 0:14:26.320 are saying you can't listen to her and then all 0:14:26.320 --> 0:14:27.960 of a sudden her numbers go after. 0:14:29.880 --> 0:14:33.320 Have yes, yeah, that is certainly my normal rule of thumb, 0:14:33.360 --> 0:14:36.800 but I think in this case, at this time, it 0:14:36.880 --> 0:14:40.240 would be foolhardy to have her over. 0:14:40.640 --> 0:14:43.280 The freedom of speech is not when you feel like 0:14:43.400 --> 0:14:46.960 it is working democracy. 0:14:47.320 --> 0:14:51.320 If she was saying these things here and or someone 0:14:51.320 --> 0:14:52.920 else was saying these things here. 0:14:53.120 --> 0:14:55.520 And when we say these things. To be clear, she 0:14:55.560 --> 0:14:59.840 has been called anti semitic. However these days just speaking 0:15:00.120 --> 0:15:04.359 again certain things Israel's doing or opposing actions that Netanyahu 0:15:04.520 --> 0:15:09.320 has taken, that is being painted with this very broad 0:15:09.360 --> 0:15:11.920 brush of oh, it's anti semitic. As you and I 0:15:11.920 --> 0:15:16.640 have spoken about previously, you can oppose things that ISRAELI. 0:15:16.280 --> 0:15:19.000 Absolutely, I'll not be anti semitic. 0:15:20.320 --> 0:15:23.240 But clearly, but clearly, there is an outbreak of anti 0:15:23.240 --> 0:15:27.280 semitism in Australia, and her comments go beyond criticizing Israel and. 0:15:28.120 --> 0:15:30.400 Getting point to any of those comments, I think I. 0:15:30.400 --> 0:15:31.760 Don't have it. I don't have a comments in front 0:15:31.760 --> 0:15:33.040 of me. I remember reading them in the past and 0:15:33.080 --> 0:15:36.800 being surprised that she would say things like that. But 0:15:36.160 --> 0:15:40.720 my concern is that there is an epidemic of anti 0:15:40.720 --> 0:15:44.160 Semitism that is virulent in Australia at the moment. It 0:15:44.200 --> 0:15:48.480 is live, it is violent. We have seen cars properties 0:15:48.760 --> 0:15:53.960 being firebombed. And to bring someone over who is under 0:15:53.960 --> 0:15:57.280 a cloud of anti semitism in that environment, I think 0:15:57.400 --> 0:15:59.480 is too risky. And that is a different thing from 0:16:00.120 --> 0:16:04.240 one being able to say what she's saying here within viability. 0:16:04.280 --> 0:16:05.880 We don't even know what she's going to say here. 0:16:05.880 --> 0:16:07.720 And this is where I think I'm not sure how 0:16:07.720 --> 0:16:10.000 the High Court challenge is going to work. The High 0:16:10.000 --> 0:16:13.680 Court has previously found that there is an implied freedom 0:16:13.680 --> 0:16:16.440 of political expression in the constitution. That's as far as 0:16:16.440 --> 0:16:20.040 it goes. We don't have constitutionally protected free speech in 0:16:20.080 --> 0:16:22.760 Australia like America does. So she's free to say those 0:16:22.760 --> 0:16:25.240 things over here. Over Here, you might say, if she's 0:16:25.280 --> 0:16:28.320 talking about, you know, Jewish people having too much influence 0:16:28.400 --> 0:16:32.520 or whatever, that might be considered, and that might be considered. 0:16:32.080 --> 0:16:33.200 We've never done that. 0:16:33.000 --> 0:16:36.840 That might be considered an implied freedom of political expression. 0:16:36.840 --> 0:16:38.760 If she's talking about that sort of thing now, or 0:16:38.800 --> 0:16:40.880 maybe it's just out now, any semittism, they dismiss it. 0:16:41.080 --> 0:16:45.880 But the test by which someone can be denied a visa. 0:16:46.040 --> 0:16:49.160 Is I believe the Immigration Minister just being able to 0:16:50.080 --> 0:16:52.600 determine of his or her own accord whether or not 0:16:52.640 --> 0:16:55.720 they deem someone to be of good character. And so 0:16:55.800 --> 0:16:58.080 that's quite a subjective test that they clearly have the 0:16:58.160 --> 0:17:03.400 power to apply, whether it meets the threshold of implied 0:17:03.440 --> 0:17:06.320 freedom of expression in another jurisdiction where she's saying it, 0:17:06.359 --> 0:17:08.240 which the High Court has no jurisdiction of. Does that 0:17:08.280 --> 0:17:08.720 make sense? 0:17:08.880 --> 0:17:10.000 Yeah? Absolutely. 0:17:10.280 --> 0:17:12.600 One thing I will say from the Albany the government 0:17:12.640 --> 0:17:15.080 on this is that they're not playing favorites, because of 0:17:15.119 --> 0:17:18.240 course we know that they also denied a visa to 0:17:18.520 --> 0:17:22.479 a former Israeli minister who is a firebrand on the 0:17:22.560 --> 0:17:26.040 Israeli side. So at least we can give them that 0:17:26.240 --> 0:17:29.560 they're not playing favorites. They simply don't want a firebrand 0:17:29.880 --> 0:17:33.560 on either side visiting Australia at a time when let's 0:17:33.600 --> 0:17:39.000 face it, it's a tinderbox in here moving very very. 0:17:38.800 --> 0:17:40.960 Local for anyone in New South Wales. 0:17:41.080 --> 0:17:44.800 We learned today thanks to a freedom of information application 0:17:45.000 --> 0:17:48.120 by Liberal MP Matt Fox. 0:17:48.760 --> 0:17:56.520 Have I no cross, sorry, Matt Cross, that open cross. 0:17:55.760 --> 0:17:58.600 The state government, the men's government, Joe is going to 0:17:58.640 --> 0:17:59.960 hate this story because. 0:17:59.680 --> 0:18:01.679 We know so how much he loves mins. 0:18:02.119 --> 0:18:05.439 The Men's government has forked out a whopping five point 0:18:05.560 --> 0:18:09.919 four million dollars in taxpayer funds trying to review the 0:18:10.040 --> 0:18:13.280 toll system, which we know is extortionate. 0:18:13.480 --> 0:18:14.720 Anyone who has traveled on. 0:18:14.720 --> 0:18:19.119 Sydney roads knows that it's absolutely extortionate. But these people 0:18:19.160 --> 0:18:24.080 putting this review together have managed to blow five point 0:18:24.240 --> 0:18:29.240 four million dollars just on putting it together. 0:18:29.359 --> 0:18:30.720 Here's some of the money spent. 0:18:31.240 --> 0:18:34.200 One hundred and forty thousand, one hundred and forty five 0:18:34.359 --> 0:18:39.040 thousand dollars on flights and accommodation, two point eight million 0:18:39.400 --> 0:18:45.040 on staff, one point five million on other consultants. My goodness, 0:18:45.080 --> 0:18:49.440 have we've got consultants hiring consultants now? And fifty two thousand, 0:18:49.480 --> 0:18:52.440 two hundred and eight dollars on miscellaneous. 0:18:52.600 --> 0:18:57.080 That's a lot of pens and highlighters. My goodness, now 0:18:57.240 --> 0:19:01.919 this review miscellaneous one. She was very well off this review, Gabby. 0:19:01.960 --> 0:19:03.720 What cracked me up because I was like, Okay, what 0:19:03.760 --> 0:19:04.679 were the findings? 0:19:04.760 --> 0:19:07.280 Oh yeah, fix this? How are you five million dollars? 0:19:07.400 --> 0:19:10.280 What are you going to find? Expecting? Goal tier? 0:19:10.680 --> 0:19:14.480 The review recommends a new northbound toll on the Harbor 0:19:14.480 --> 0:19:17.560 Bridge and Tunnel as well as the Eastern distributor. 0:19:17.880 --> 0:19:19.240 The review argues that. 0:19:19.119 --> 0:19:22.239 The money raised would then be used to lower the 0:19:22.280 --> 0:19:26.560 costs of tolls across the network. So basically what we've 0:19:26.600 --> 0:19:30.480 got recommended for our five point four million dollars is 0:19:31.160 --> 0:19:37.520 more tolls which will overall make the tolls cheaper. 0:19:38.040 --> 0:19:42.840 What a good way to spend five million dollars to 0:19:42.880 --> 0:19:45.879 find something like that? But how infuriating is it for 0:19:45.920 --> 0:19:48.439 anyone living in Sydney in New Southwest and it just 0:19:48.520 --> 0:19:50.920 costs so much money to get from A to B. 0:19:51.080 --> 0:19:54.320 It's seven dollars just to go through one one tunnel 0:19:54.359 --> 0:19:57.239 another five dollars here before even factor in how much 0:19:57.240 --> 0:19:59.120 you're spending on fuel and the rest of it. 0:19:59.400 --> 0:20:01.480 But this in from the government on this one. 0:20:01.560 --> 0:20:04.080 When they were you are asked to provide a statement 0:20:04.560 --> 0:20:07.439 as to this report, they've said, oh, you know, the 0:20:07.480 --> 0:20:10.320 five million dollars pails in comparison to the one hundred 0:20:10.359 --> 0:20:12.760 and ninety five billion dollars at motorists will pay out 0:20:13.160 --> 0:20:17.239 to twenty sixty unless the new system is reformed. Are 0:20:17.280 --> 0:20:19.600 we supposed to be grateful that we are spending so 0:20:19.800 --> 0:20:22.280 much Sean tolls as it is, it's just getting higher, 0:20:22.280 --> 0:20:25.800 and that spending five million to find out absolutely nothing. 0:20:25.920 --> 0:20:28.119 Oh and it's a storm and to take up five million, 0:20:28.200 --> 0:20:30.800 they'll barely get your three toll gates on the m 0:20:30.880 --> 0:20:31.920 fire three times. 0:20:32.040 --> 0:20:33.320 I've got to come into it. 0:20:34.600 --> 0:20:36.720 I do love my boy, No, but he is. He 0:20:36.800 --> 0:20:38.880 is trying to fix the problem. So he is like, yes, 0:20:38.960 --> 0:20:42.040 the Telly is absolutely right, and nothing has actually happened yet, 0:20:42.240 --> 0:20:43.240 and yes there does. 0:20:43.119 --> 0:20:47.200 Appear to be Yes, there does appear to be nothing. 0:20:49.160 --> 0:20:53.920 At all. Love Alan Fells as well, big fan. 0:20:54.720 --> 0:20:57.760 Although it must be said it's not Fell's fault, as 0:20:57.760 --> 0:21:00.840 he pointed out my expenses. This is the guy who 0:21:00.880 --> 0:21:04.879 was in charge of doing the review. He headed the 0:21:04.880 --> 0:21:07.639 whole thing up. He simply pointed out, don't. 0:21:07.400 --> 0:21:10.399 Look at me. It was under the cap that the 0:21:10.440 --> 0:21:11.399 government gave me. 0:21:13.680 --> 0:21:14.320 One motel. 0:21:14.760 --> 0:21:16.440 Yeah, maybe say. 0:21:20.080 --> 0:21:23.679 So again the finger pointing comes straight back to your mate. 0:21:23.800 --> 0:21:28.320 Well, I think I think smaller someone gives you a 0:21:28.359 --> 0:21:30.240 cap doesn't mean you have to spend all of it. 0:21:30.280 --> 0:21:35.000 But again I suppose you know, is a very well 0:21:35.040 --> 0:21:39.159 respected competition azar and he knows what he's doing, and 0:21:39.200 --> 0:21:42.640 I think his his his recommendations actually make a huge 0:21:42.680 --> 0:21:45.000 amount of sense. So for people outside of Sydney. Obviously, 0:21:45.200 --> 0:21:48.160 the North Shore and the Eastern suburbs are the most 0:21:48.160 --> 0:21:51.280 affluent parts of Sydney, and yet owing to a quirk 0:21:51.320 --> 0:21:54.879 in history, you don't actually pay a toll going north 0:21:54.920 --> 0:21:56.800