1 00:00:01,080 --> 00:00:03,720 Speaker 1: Get a welcome to the show. Thanks for downloading. It's Monday. 2 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:07,840 Speaker 1: Q and a Day. Questions submitted via the Instagram or 3 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:11,200 Speaker 1: the substack. Both links are in the show notes. Some 4 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:17,720 Speaker 1: interesting ones today, appropriate funeral songs, fear around different demographics 5 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 1: in our society, stoicism, and coffee. This is going to 6 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 1: be fun. Okay, we'll get to it the second I 7 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 1: do have to place of ads and we wrote back, 8 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 1: get a welcome to the show. This is better than yesterday, 9 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 1: making it better every episode since twenty thirteen. Thanks being 10 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 1: a part of it. My name's Osha Ginsberg. 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First question today comes from Jim. 21 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 1: Good ay, Jim, I wants a newer Jim. I know 22 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 1: a few Jim's. Actually, Jim's asked, is Bootylicious an appropriate 23 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:25,559 Speaker 1: funeral song? And he goes into details as in, while 24 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 1: the casket is being carried into the venue, h I 25 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 1: for one say, Jim, absolutely yes. Don't get me wrong, 26 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 1: and don't think I'm too weird about saying this, but 27 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:44,199 Speaker 1: I happen to think that funerals can actually be fun. 28 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 1: If there's a person that you dearly loved that was 29 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 1: hilarious and amazing and you adored and your only experience 30 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 1: with them was fun and joy, there should be, in 31 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 1: my opinion, fun and joy as a part of the 32 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 1: celebration of you wall saying goodbye to this person. Because 33 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 1: a Wolfgang asked me just yesterday, you know what's a funeral? 34 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 1: And I had to say to him, it's like, you know, 35 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 1: it's when you know everyone of them news the person 36 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:11,959 Speaker 1: knows the person. Then we say goodbye to them. We 37 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:13,959 Speaker 1: put them in the ground, or we put them in 38 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:16,640 Speaker 1: the ocean, or we you know, fire them into a 39 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:18,520 Speaker 1: boat and push them out to sea with a bow 40 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 1: and arrow on flames, whatever however you want to go. 41 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:23,920 Speaker 1: That's the funeral, And I told them it's really important 42 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 1: for everyone that knew them and how they all know 43 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 1: each other. They all know each other, you know, that's 44 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 1: the common link really, and they all together have the 45 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 1: experience of together going and this is now a new 46 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 1: time in our lives without that person in it. So 47 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 1: it's fun to see everyone. It's super sad at the 48 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:43,840 Speaker 1: same time. Don't get me wrong, we don't laugh when 49 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:47,639 Speaker 1: our friends and loved ones die. But I think it's 50 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 1: really important to allow laughter to happen like one. I 51 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 1: don't believe one should be like sud be quiet if 52 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 1: you're giggling at a funeral, especially if someone talks about 53 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 1: their crazy shit they used to pull with the pool 54 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 1: ball and a banana or whatever the fuck you know. 55 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 1: And so if, for example, Booty Delicious was a signature 56 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 1: tune of this person, if that was a song that 57 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 1: the majority of people there associated with them, and there 58 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:13,240 Speaker 1: was a routine they were doing at a party, or a 59 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:16,799 Speaker 1: song they danced to in high school or whatever. Absolutely, 60 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:20,959 Speaker 1: as each person puts the hand on the caskit can 61 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 1: you handle this? Jonathan? Can you handle this? Scott? Can 62 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 1: you handle it? Woo when you lift him in the air, 63 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:30,400 Speaker 1: lurk and fancy lurk and fan walking down there. I 64 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 1: mean it'd be pretty good. Set the tone. I'd be 65 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 1: into it. People die all the time. A dear friend 66 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 1: of mine, dear different of my die the other day. 67 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 1: It was really, oh my god, it was so sad. 68 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 1: And it's still so sad. We haven't had the funeral yet, 69 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 1: but I know it's going to be amazing because this 70 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 1: person was an amazing person, all right. And if there's 71 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 1: a song like Booty Delicious that represents that person to 72 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 1: the people in the room, fuck yeah, play that song. 73 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 1: Okay to be sadly, you can cry and laugh at 74 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 1: the same time. I did it at my mum's funeral. 75 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:06,840 Speaker 1: If you want a goat example of this, check out 76 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 1: it's on YouTube. You can find it. Lem Me from Motorhead, 77 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 1: let me kill mister the bass player from Motorhead, the 78 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 1: one with a big mole in his face when he died. 79 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 1: David Grohl from The Food Fighters and Nirvana gave a 80 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:23,040 Speaker 1: eulogy and it's astounding. It's so funny. And he tells 81 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 1: a story about going to visit this weird old rock 82 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:28,280 Speaker 1: and roll guy with a collection of Nazi knives and 83 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 1: porn that stacked to the ceiling and this weird old fella. 84 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 1: You know, it's really funny and you can hear people 85 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 1: laughing and crying at the same time, and so yeah, 86 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:41,359 Speaker 1: I reckon absolutely by all means. If it plays to 87 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 1: who that person is, they're not going to be ready. 88 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 1: And that's okay. It's going to be good. People will cry, 89 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 1: people will laugh, He'll be awesome. So yes, if you 90 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:52,159 Speaker 1: want to ask a question, just get on the substack. 91 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:54,040 Speaker 1: There's a link. It's in the newsletter. So the link 92 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:55,840 Speaker 1: to the newsletter in the show notes that Ashley has 93 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 1: asked what do I think of Ryan Holiday's talk? I 94 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 1: saw you and her. I asked a question there as 95 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 1: well as a cheek your follow up. I see stoic 96 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:06,719 Speaker 1: philosophy and your advice and your actions. What are your 97 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 1: views on stoicism? Yes, I went to go see Ryan Holiday, 98 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:12,360 Speaker 1: who wrote a book called The Obstacle is the Way, 99 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:14,159 Speaker 1: and you know that was this big, big, big, big 100 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:16,280 Speaker 1: one and he did a talk at the Sydney Town Hall, 101 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 1: which is an amazing room if you've ever been in there, 102 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:19,800 Speaker 1: and there's like two thousand people, two and a half 103 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 1: thousand people and that was fantastic night. Audrey came brilliantly. 104 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 1: We shot up. It was really cool. It was really good. 105 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:27,839 Speaker 1: It's good to watch Ryan on stage. I've followed Ryan 106 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:30,239 Speaker 1: for a very long time. I loved his first book 107 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 1: because I used to shop at American Apparel all the time. 108 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 1: He was the marketing manager for her American Apparel and 109 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 1: it was like twenty one and I loved his first book, 110 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:41,280 Speaker 1: and I thoroughly recommended in this current tone. There's two 111 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 1: really important books he wrote. I think before Obstacle is 112 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 1: the way. He wrote a book called Trust Me I'm Lying, 113 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:50,360 Speaker 1: Confessions of a Medium Manipulator, and another book called Growth Hacking. 114 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:54,480 Speaker 1: Really really really clever, clever clever books. Trust Me I'm 115 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 1: Lying is essentially the Playboy playbook of how you know 116 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 1: fake news happens. It's a freaking brilliant book. And Yeah, 117 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 1: so I asked him a question about Fatherwood because also 118 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 1: has a newsletter called The Daily Dad, which I really like. 119 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:10,839 Speaker 1: I really liked the night. He spoke really well. I 120 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:13,679 Speaker 1: thought he's you know, he answered questions really well. Somebody 121 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 1: asked him about psychedelics, which is kind of interesting because 122 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 1: if you've listened to this podcast, you'll know that Adam 123 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:23,360 Speaker 1: Bays fabulous doctor Adam Base is a psychiatrist. My psychiatrist 124 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 1: is leading the charge here in Australia in the research 125 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 1: of using these clinical situations. And it's always kind of 126 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 1: funny when you hear a psychedelic advocate talk the like, 127 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 1: oh man, a d MT is like, you know, unlocks, 128 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:38,040 Speaker 1: And I always feel like there's a bit of a 129 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:41,919 Speaker 1: pressure of like like you haven't done Anahaska hmmm, Yeah, 130 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 1: you haven't really seen your spirit panther and known yourself 131 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 1: really then, have you? Yeah? Fine, And there's like a 132 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 1: bit of weirdness there. And I get that, right, I 133 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:53,920 Speaker 1: know vegans, I get people who want to be better 134 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:56,360 Speaker 1: than other people. I've yet to he hears a person 135 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 1: talking to me about psychedelics and not say to that 136 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:00,159 Speaker 1: sort of kind of have that and willing. You just 137 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 1: don't know, do you. But Ryan had this amazing response 138 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 1: and he said, you know, I live in something along 139 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 1: the lines. So I live in Austin, Texas, and you know, 140 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 1: some of my closest friends are really deep into this 141 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 1: stuff and there's nothing I've heard them say about their 142 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 1: experiences and no learnings that they have discovered while having 143 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 1: these experiences that I have not already read in either 144 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 1: stoic or of religious philosophy. And I would rather access 145 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 1: that information and that knowledge safely than by pouring self 146 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 1: furic acid into my brain. It is messing with it. 147 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 1: And I thought it was such a great answer, and 148 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 1: I really really really loved it. And he's right. Anyone 149 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:45,000 Speaker 1: that I know that's been to Peru and done Aahuascar 150 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 1: and they say the same stuff that I've read another thing, 151 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 1: and it's brilliant. What are my views on stoicism? After 152 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 1: seeing him, I dive back into reading meditations. But Marcus 153 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 1: really is which I read a long time ago. I 154 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 1: kind of came to the ideas of stoicism as fast, 155 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 1: and they'd started to get fascinated by it through being 156 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 1: taught cognitive behavioral therapy in my mid twenties and then 157 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 1: later on on my journey of sobriety. There's a lot 158 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:13,240 Speaker 1: of both of those things that draw on Stoic philosophy, 159 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 1: which is just people figuring out how brains work. Oh, 160 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 1: if we think it, then we feel it. We can 161 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 1: change what we think and therefore change what we feel 162 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 1: that are there. It is that's it, So yeah, definitely 163 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 1: worth it. And I also really enjoy the idea of 164 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 1: Memento Maury. You might have heard me talk on Mark 165 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:32,720 Speaker 1: Boris's podcast about that, which has been really fun. Hecky 166 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:35,720 Speaker 1: actually texted me this morning saying, I heard you talking 167 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:37,959 Speaker 1: about death the other day and it reminded me of 168 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:41,440 Speaker 1: that William Shatner song about Joey and Ramone and I 169 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 1: was listening to it at Jim. It was really good. 170 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:45,719 Speaker 1: It's a really good song. You will have time as 171 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 1: a Shatner song. I'll put a link in the show 172 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:49,559 Speaker 1: notes to that. I'm going to take a break. Got 173 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 1: a question about multiculturalism and Australian's reluctance for it, and 174 00:08:54,800 --> 00:09:02,440 Speaker 1: one about coffee back in a second. Thanks for listening 175 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 1: to the show. Dan just clicked on the newsletter there 176 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 1: and he wrote his comment and here we go. So 177 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:09,839 Speaker 1: this is the question from Dan. It's a bit heavy. Why, 178 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 1: as one of the most multicultural countries in the world, 179 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:16,320 Speaker 1: are Australian so fearful of other cultures that aren't cultures 180 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:19,679 Speaker 1: already established in Australia for several decades. That's a really 181 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 1: good question, Dan, and I appreciate where you're coming from. 182 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:25,840 Speaker 1: But I would say to you that I don't think 183 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 1: it's just Australians. I think it is anywhere any culture, 184 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 1: Southeast Asian, North Asian, West Asian, whatever, anywhere where there 185 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:40,240 Speaker 1: has been a largely static cultural mix for a long time, 186 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 1: and that is kind of associated with people in power. 187 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 1: When things starts to shift and demographics start to shift, 188 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:51,199 Speaker 1: which they always do, people get afraid. And it's a combination, 189 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 1: in my opinion, of scapegoating, of dehumanizing and the fear 190 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:59,560 Speaker 1: of change. Scapegoating being are the reason that you don't 191 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:02,439 Speaker 1: get a good grade in high school is because those 192 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 1: kids over there have come in. It's not because you 193 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 1: didn't study whatever like those kids over there. Or the 194 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:14,440 Speaker 1: reason that you can't get employed right now is because 195 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 1: those people over there are taking all the jobs. Or 196 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 1: I can speak this way to the person who drives 197 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:25,680 Speaker 1: my car share service because they're not as good as me, 198 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 1: so I can dehumanize them all right. And there's also 199 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:31,960 Speaker 1: a fear of change, right which is understandable. People fear 200 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 1: change now. The research is interesting on this. All those 201 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 1: things change once you start to have a connection and 202 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:44,679 Speaker 1: an actual personal relationship with a person. For and I'm 203 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:47,439 Speaker 1: not talking like personalizing the Yomo best mates, like oh yeah, 204 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:49,480 Speaker 1: Chinese has come over here. They're driving up housing prices 205 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 1: data day. But I tell you what, Jackie and Bill 206 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:53,199 Speaker 1: who came and did my tiles the other day, they 207 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:57,480 Speaker 1: work great, good likes, potent cigarettes, deep squats on them, 208 00:10:57,520 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 1: but fantastic. Geez, they got the work done. Great, they're good, 209 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 1: But those other ones not good. So it's when you 210 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 1: have the personal interaction that changes how you feel because, 211 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 1: like to be honest, Dan, I feel as deep you know, 212 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:15,319 Speaker 1: there's profit and there's control over populations from scapegoating, and 213 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 1: that's the real issue. I think telling people that the 214 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 1: reason there's a problem here is because of immigrants, or 215 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 1: because of those weird people and they're weird food or 216 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 1: you know, those people don't matter, so we don't need 217 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:30,560 Speaker 1: to accommodate for them in our social services policies. That 218 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:36,640 Speaker 1: is a deliberate choice. People aren't born racist. We do 219 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 1: have in groups and out groups, like my indoor netball 220 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 1: team is better than you're in or netball team. We 221 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:45,040 Speaker 1: do have that that kind of when we're little, that starts. 222 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:48,320 Speaker 1: But everything around culture or race or how we feel 223 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:51,679 Speaker 1: about cultural or race is actually learned learn from people 224 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 1: older than us. So I guess I would ask where 225 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:57,600 Speaker 1: did we learn it from. I feel in our country 226 00:11:57,640 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 1: that our larger cultural communication like television, print, et cetera, 227 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 1: have a lot to answer for it, particularly when it 228 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 1: comes to scapegoating and dehumanizing, and certainly online platforms where 229 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:12,520 Speaker 1: things are shared and re shared and amplified way more 230 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 1: than they otherwise would be. Those have a lot to 231 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:18,560 Speaker 1: answer for. But yeah, when you know the fact that 232 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 1: we're not born racist, we really aren't. We learn that stuff. 233 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:26,880 Speaker 1: We learn how we feel about other people from those 234 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:28,680 Speaker 1: that we look up to and learn our life from, 235 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:30,760 Speaker 1: essentially when we're quite little, from our parents or our 236 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 1: teachers or older people around us. That's the shitty hard part, dude, 237 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 1: because it's much harder to talk about the you know, 238 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:41,720 Speaker 1: uncle such and such who you might love. Is probably 239 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 1: one of the reasons things that are a bit shared, 240 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:46,079 Speaker 1: you know. But the thing is that we can underlearn it, 241 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 1: we can decide not to. So I don't think it's 242 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 1: only Australia at all. Like it happens in Japan, it 243 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 1: happens in India, it happens anywhere where there's a majority 244 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 1: or homogeno homogeny of culture, whether it be religion or whatever, 245 00:12:58,280 --> 00:12:59,840 Speaker 1: and there's a bit of change, or suddenly now all 246 00:12:59,840 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 1: these other people are here. It's like, well, hang on 247 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:03,719 Speaker 1: for hang hang on a second. Oh, there's only enough 248 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:05,439 Speaker 1: room on the bus for so many people. It was 249 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 1: like those guys down there, they come on. One of 250 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:10,000 Speaker 1: my brothers told me this fantastic story once about jumping 251 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:12,839 Speaker 1: in a care It was right after the Tampa, if 252 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:15,959 Speaker 1: you remember that, when John Howard and the Coalition government 253 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 1: refused to let these people who were in desperate trouble 254 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 1: come to Australia. And my brother was telling me he 255 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:25,840 Speaker 1: was in Melbourne and he jumped in a cab and 256 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 1: it was still you know, you probably don't see too 257 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 1: many of them in Melbourne anymore, but there was a 258 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:31,839 Speaker 1: time where it was like every cab driver was Greek 259 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:36,160 Speaker 1: or Italian. It's just what it was. And he said 260 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 1: something to my brother along the lines of I don't know. 261 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 1: They were a part of the city where there was 262 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:44,320 Speaker 1: fur soup, and the Greek guy said, I tell you what, 263 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 1: the Vietnamese are the best things they ever happened to 264 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:51,040 Speaker 1: us Greeks. And I tell you what the Lebanese. The 265 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:54,080 Speaker 1: best thing that happened to the Vietnamese and the Sudanese 266 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:57,720 Speaker 1: the best thing to happen to the Lebanese, Like whoever 267 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 1: got off the plane last is one that has the 268 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:04,640 Speaker 1: shittest time. And once I learned that this is like 269 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 1: twenty years ago, told me more, my head just kind 270 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:11,319 Speaker 1: of went all right, because like say, for example, the 271 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:15,520 Speaker 1: Lebanese SuDS whatever, Like now when the Sudany start showing 272 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:18,320 Speaker 1: up and you know, contributing to our community. Now the 273 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 1: Lebanese people who've only been there for like ten years, 274 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 1: like they're the status quo, and now okay, so this 275 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 1: is the new thing. Now whoa Once you start thinking 276 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 1: about it like that, like it's just people who were 277 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 1: just looking for a place to be safe and to live. 278 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 1: In the words of the great rapper and visionary leader 279 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 1: Adam Briggs, don't mess with my food court man, get 280 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 1: your hand away from my flavors. We owe our country 281 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 1: owes a lot to multiculturalism, and certainly does my dinner plate, 282 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:48,120 Speaker 1: because damn there's some tasty stuff that's arrived on ashuals. 283 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 1: Let's get to this last question. This is Ashley, what's 284 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:56,240 Speaker 1: your coffee? Set up and brew method. Oh okay, actually, 285 00:14:56,280 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 1: here we go. So I like coffee. I like caffeine. 286 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:04,880 Speaker 1: It is a molecule that I put into my body 287 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 1: that I delight in. I have recently been asked by 288 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 1: a doctor to maybe have less of it, so I 289 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 1: am trying to be mindful of that. But this actually 290 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:16,600 Speaker 1: makes me enjoy my one cup of coffee every day 291 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:21,160 Speaker 1: even more. I have a double espresso in the morning. 292 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:24,520 Speaker 1: I sometimes have it in either a ceramic cup that 293 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:27,000 Speaker 1: my friend Anthony made for me or a double walled bodom. 294 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 1: I grind my beans at around cillio grind. And now 295 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:32,200 Speaker 1: I'm just talking like real nerdy shit to you now 296 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 1: right now, but coffee people will know. So I grind 297 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 1: my beans at around cillio rocky, I adjust to grind. 298 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:39,320 Speaker 1: I kick the beans in an airtight container, and I 299 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:41,400 Speaker 1: only put as many beans as I need. I weigh 300 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 1: my beans twenty one grams, and then I draw the beans. 301 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 1: I have a I think it's like a big double 302 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:51,160 Speaker 1: shot or triple shot thing that fits twenty one grams 303 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 1: in it. We have an elite coffee machine, but the 304 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 1: pump is really it's about running. It eight years old 305 00:15:56,400 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 1: by now, so it needs a I think there's a lot. 306 00:15:58,800 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 1: It gets a lot of use. We need to real 307 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:02,960 Speaker 1: that pump. And that's my general go too, is that 308 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:05,760 Speaker 1: the double espresso with my beans I got from St 309 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 1: Ali in Melbourne, which is the most wide awake is 310 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:11,640 Speaker 1: the brew. I love it, and that's it. I have 311 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 1: my youngest brother to thank for teaching me the art 312 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 1: of creating a great cup of coffee. And that look, 313 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:18,400 Speaker 1: if I'm going to be jittery, I may as well 314 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 1: be jittery with deliciousness and cramar and all this business. 315 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:23,920 Speaker 1: I did go through a phase where I was weighing 316 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 1: the cup as I drew the coffee, and you know 317 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 1: how much water should I get and time it? But 318 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 1: now I just kind of go on. When the color 319 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:33,240 Speaker 1: changes in the cramo, that means the oilers have come 320 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 1: out of the beans, and that's when you stop the drawer. 321 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 1: And that's generally it. Yes, I work on the pressure. 322 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:42,880 Speaker 1: I have interesting kind of calibrated tampa. I have a 323 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 1: I don't push it to yeah, I'm right into it, Ashley. 324 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:50,280 Speaker 1: Sometimes when I'm traveling though, I have a Harrio Cold 325 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 1: brew kit which is just amazing. And so what I 326 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 1: do is I grind the beans and I pop that 327 00:16:57,280 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 1: in the top of the cold brew thing. It's essentially 328 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 1: like it's deep overnight in the fridge. And then if 329 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:04,080 Speaker 1: I'm leaving, like if I'm driving to Brisbane or whatever, 330 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 1: four in the morning, get out and then that's in 331 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:09,119 Speaker 1: the car for me an Audrey all day and it 332 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:12,000 Speaker 1: is just magnificent. The first time I had cold brew, 333 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 1: I was in Venice Beach and I remember drinking it 334 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:17,679 Speaker 1: and then I don't know, sometimes around four am the 335 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 1: next morning, like I'm anytime sleep would be gray really, 336 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:25,040 Speaker 1: so yeah, it's some potent shit, so I'm careful with it. 337 00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 1: But I do like to keep a cold brew around 338 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 1: when I'm in the summertime. I like a cold brew. 339 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 1: It's nice. And in the summertime, I'll often put my 340 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 1: espresso over icein in water, so I'll have that in 341 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 1: the morning, which is really quite lovely, but it's really good. 342 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:43,320 Speaker 1: I hope that answered your question. I'm very nerdy for it. 343 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 1: I'm nerdy about the age of the beans. I'm very 344 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:49,240 Speaker 1: nerdy about how long after roasting will I buy the 345 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:52,320 Speaker 1: beans or get the bean sent to me. And there's 346 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 1: a little window where they're just right and yeah, I'm 347 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 1: right into it. But it's really good. I like the kutter, 348 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:03,080 Speaker 1: the jap and these ceremony around it. You know, there's 349 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:04,399 Speaker 1: a thing that I do in the morning with a 350 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 1: knock box and then everything. I really quite like it. 351 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 1: Of course there's oh yeah, I've got actually, I've got 352 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:12,280 Speaker 1: a three D printed bellows that sits on top of 353 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:14,760 Speaker 1: my grinder so that when i'm if I want to 354 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:16,320 Speaker 1: get the very last because I weigh the beans out 355 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:17,359 Speaker 1: when I put it in the grinder, if I want 356 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:18,719 Speaker 1: to get the last of the twenty hundre grams out 357 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:21,879 Speaker 1: of go and it blows air through the funnel and 358 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:24,560 Speaker 1: I get the last kind of one point four grams 359 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:28,280 Speaker 1: or so. Everyone has turned off by now, it's just 360 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 1: you and me talking coffee nerd shit. I hope that 361 00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:35,560 Speaker 1: worked out for you. But I love the machine. It's 362 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:39,359 Speaker 1: a great machine. It does the job, and I dearly 363 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:41,239 Speaker 1: love it. I used to have soy latasies have all 364 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:43,480 Speaker 1: kinds of things, but in the end, there's just too 365 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:46,159 Speaker 1: many externalities and too many vulnerabilities when you're messing with 366 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:50,640 Speaker 1: the variables of milk temperature, particularly soy, and when you're 367 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 1: out and about and Buristas, haven't you know, they got 368 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:55,480 Speaker 1: a different milk or whatever, end up burning the soil 369 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 1: all the time, and it's no good. So I just 370 00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:59,439 Speaker 1: switched to I was long Blacks for a while and 371 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:00,920 Speaker 1: I was like, you know, stuff this, I'll just get 372 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:03,480 Speaker 1: to the goodness, and I just went double Espresso and 373 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:07,120 Speaker 1: since then I've never gone back. It's just brilliant. When 374 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:11,320 Speaker 1: they're great, they are magnificent. The problem actually the problem. 375 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:13,080 Speaker 1: It's much like my mother in law who's staying with 376 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:16,040 Speaker 1: us at the moment. She doesn't go out for Indian ever, 377 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:18,520 Speaker 1: because the woman can cook a better curry than she's 378 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:23,399 Speaker 1: ever had at a restaurant. Really, similarly, when I go 379 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:25,440 Speaker 1: out for coffee, if I'm out and someone says you 380 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:28,320 Speaker 1: want a coffee, I'm like, I'm good, I've already had mine, 381 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:30,640 Speaker 1: because like, I'm never going to get a good enough 382 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:32,200 Speaker 1: course as good as coffee as I get it home, 383 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:34,200 Speaker 1: because I make it really, really well, and I'm really 384 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 1: proud about that because I've heaps of practice with my machine. 385 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:38,199 Speaker 1: I know how to do it really well. The other 386 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:39,560 Speaker 1: thing I would say, if you've made it this far, 387 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 1: good coffee machines are worth it. Good grinders are worth it, 388 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:45,960 Speaker 1: because if you're paying like five bucks fifty or whatever 389 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:48,159 Speaker 1: it costs for a coffee, right now, let's just do 390 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:51,920 Speaker 1: some sums here. If you're knowing five dollars fifty and 391 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 1: say you get two coffees a day, all right, and 392 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:59,639 Speaker 1: say you do that six days a week, all right? 393 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:03,040 Speaker 1: Times that by fifty two, you're paying three and a 394 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:08,040 Speaker 1: half grand a year for coffee. Right you could buy 395 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:11,800 Speaker 1: two three of my machines for that kind of money. 396 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:15,160 Speaker 1: Get yourself a machine, get yourself a grinder. You never 397 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:18,919 Speaker 1: ever ever look back. It's the greatest. Oh and I'm oh, no, 398 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:20,960 Speaker 1: I haven't even talked about when I'm on the road. Okay, 399 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 1: so there's not on the road setup Ashley. And that 400 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:25,880 Speaker 1: involves an AeroPress and a USB grinder, because I did 401 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:28,960 Speaker 1: use to hand grind it, but since Wolf has come along, 402 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:31,199 Speaker 1: it's quite a noisy thing, the hand grinder, and it 403 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 1: takes a while and it would wake him up. So 404 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 1: now I have a little USB charged, a small USB 405 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:38,359 Speaker 1: grinder that I take with me when I'm on the 406 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 1: road and wherever i'm the hotel or whatever, I'll put 407 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:43,520 Speaker 1: it inside a cupboard or put it in the bathroom 408 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 1: or wrap it in a towel or something and then 409 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:48,440 Speaker 1: go and it grinds it and they'll use an AeroPress 410 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:51,080 Speaker 1: when I'm on the road because the AeroPress is I'm 411 00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:54,120 Speaker 1: actually with a Fellow's gasket. My god, I've just gone 412 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:56,200 Speaker 1: into it. I'm just down a rabbit hole. I don't 413 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:58,439 Speaker 1: have a regular gasket. I have a Fellow's gasket on 414 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:01,919 Speaker 1: my AeroPress. I'm so f nerdy for coffee. I'm so 415 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:04,920 Speaker 1: glad you asked me because I'm mad for it. But yeah, 416 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:07,040 Speaker 1: I have a Fellow's gasket on my aero press, which 417 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:09,000 Speaker 1: has a little make sure the pressure builds up properly, 418 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 1: and it tastes a lot different. It's really good. I 419 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 1: have a cup that I take with me. I have 420 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 1: a little travel kit. It packs down really nicely. I 421 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:18,600 Speaker 1: take enough beans from on road trip and it makes 422 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:22,480 Speaker 1: everything better. That was way, way nerdier than I thought 423 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:24,240 Speaker 1: I was going to get, Ashley, And if you got 424 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:27,400 Speaker 1: this far, I'm grateful for it. If not, I'm real sorry. 425 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:31,840 Speaker 1: If you don't drink coffee, Look, it's not going to 426 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 1: be like with a psychedelics thing like good for you 427 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:37,159 Speaker 1: if you don't. But Ashley I'll call one out for 428 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:40,200 Speaker 1: you tomorrow. Thanks so much for listening, Thanks for being 429 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:41,720 Speaker 1: a part of it. This ended up being longer than 430 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:43,439 Speaker 1: I thought it was going to be, so thank you 431 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:46,600 Speaker 1: very much. Andy who edited this, get on the newsletter 432 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:48,760 Speaker 1: the links in the show notes. I'd love to answer 433 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:50,960 Speaker 1: your questions next week. 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