Speaker 1: Why on Sky News. This is Sharry.
Speaker 2: Thanks Andrew, good evening, welcome to the program. Good to be.
Speaker 3: Back home with you all in Australia and thanks so
Speaker 3: much for tuning in last week in Israel. It was
Speaker 3: an incredible trip. We'll get to it a bit later
Speaker 3: in the show, but tonight coming up, the Albanezy government
Speaker 3: likened it to a clown show as it falls behind.
Speaker 3: In today's Newspop, I'll look at just how much travel
Speaker 3: Labour's in ahead of the next election. Cameron Milner and
Speaker 3: David Gazzard will be on with their analysis. Channel nine's
Speaker 3: top presenters respond to the news the networks spin doctor
Speaker 3: has been sacked ahead of a review into the company's culture,
Speaker 3: and one star tells me that Vic Buckan was the gatekeeper.
Speaker 2: Who wielded too much power.
Speaker 3: Also tonight, the United Nations facing serious questions on what
Speaker 3: it knew about Hesbeler weapons stockpiled just one hundred.
Speaker 2: Meters from its outpost.
Speaker 3: High profile human rights lawyer Arsenostrowsky will be on the
Speaker 3: show tonight to discuss the UN, how Israel is fighting
Speaker 3: a just war, and the Albanese government's betrayal of Israel.
Speaker 3: Plus with only twenty two days until the American election,
Speaker 3: more threats on Donald Trump's life and calls tonight to
Speaker 3: strengthen his security as a third assassination attempt is foiled,
Speaker 3: but first tonight. Anthony Alberzi has boasted in the past
Speaker 3: that he's never lost a news poll.
Speaker 2: Well, that ends today.
Speaker 3: Just months out from polling day, the prime Minister's re
Speaker 3: election prospects are now looking shaky, with Peter Dutton ahead
Speaker 3: of Albanizi in the polls for the first time. It
Speaker 3: wasn't so long ago now that Albanzi claimed he'd never
Speaker 3: lost a poll.
Speaker 4: Oh, we haven't lost a news poll, unlike every other
Speaker 4: government during every term since since our newspoll started.
Speaker 3: I think words he'll rue today as newspoll shows that
Speaker 3: the Coalition leads Labor on both a primary and two
Speaker 3: party preferred basis. The Coalition's primary is at thirty eight percent,
Speaker 3: while Labour's primary at thirty one and that's lower than
Speaker 3: the thirty two point six percent that they recorded at
Speaker 3: the last election, and as you know, that was already
Speaker 3: historic lows. Then on a two party preferred basis, the
Speaker 3: Coalition now ahead of Labor fifty one to forty nine. Percent,
Speaker 3: and this is because there's been a shift in preference flows.
Speaker 3: It's the first time since the last election that the
Speaker 3: credible polling outfit Newspoll has the Coalition.
Speaker 2: Ahead of Labor.
Speaker 3: Now Labor and PS and insiders are getting nervous, but
Speaker 3: publicly from the Prime Minister down they insisted today that
Speaker 3: there was nothing to see here.
Speaker 4: I'm very focused on continuing to lead a majority government.
Speaker 5: There are obviously news polls where you're doing better than
Speaker 5: other times and others where you're doing less well.
Speaker 6: So we're not focused on the polls because what we're
Speaker 6: focused on is cost of living for ordinary Australia. We're focused,
Speaker 6: we're doing the right thing. It's a very close it's
Speaker 6: a very close poll. There's going to be poles of
Speaker 6: individual seats of the nation all the rest. What we
Speaker 6: know is that when the election comes it'll be a
Speaker 6: choice between our plans for the future or Peter Dutton's
Speaker 6: lack of plans for the future.
Speaker 3: Now, poor polls have been the undoing of several Prime ministers.
Speaker 3: Malcolm Turnbull use the fact that Tony Abbott had lost
Speaker 3: thirty news polls as just cause when he tore his
Speaker 3: Prime ministership down.
Speaker 7: The one thing that is clear about our current situation
Speaker 7: is the trajectory. We have lost thirty news polls in
Speaker 7: a row. It is clear that the people have made
Speaker 7: up their mind about mister Abbot's leadership.
Speaker 3: Then when Turnbull himself lost an equal number of polls,
Speaker 3: that led to concern about his own leadership, and eventually
Speaker 3: Peter Dutton came after him, a leadership coup I broke
Speaker 3: on the front page at the time. Julia Gillard was
Speaker 3: also floundering in the polls when Kevin Rudd came after
Speaker 3: her and seized back the leadership ahead of the September
Speaker 3: twenty thirteen election.
Speaker 2: And the truth is, if we're all being perfectly.
Speaker 7: Honest about it right now, is that we're on course
Speaker 7: for a catastrophic defeat unless there is change.
Speaker 3: But Rud in his second prime ministership didn't perform any better,
Speaker 3: with Tony Abbott winning a landslide fourteen seats, and now
Speaker 3: Albanezi has lost his first poll and it could get
Speaker 3: a lot worse in the next seven months before polling day.
Speaker 3: The momentum has now been in Peter Dutton's favor for
Speaker 3: a year. There are many complicating factors, including the Teals,
Speaker 3: the Greens and those independent Muslim candidates. But it's not
Speaker 3: looking good for alban Ezi now. There was a great
Speaker 3: line in The finn Review today where journalist James Curran
Speaker 3: wrote that Albanezi has always been an excellent party organizer
Speaker 3: and factional leader, but he said that Albanesi's prime ministership
Speaker 3: is defined predominantly by situation politics. He operates in the moment,
Speaker 3: surviving it before.
Speaker 2: Fleeing to the next, and you just can't argue with it.
Speaker 3: Albinizi has a long list of failures over the past year,
Speaker 3: but then it's hard to cite any way in which
Speaker 3: he's actually made our country a better place. Exactly a
Speaker 3: year ago today, there was the failure of the Voice referendum,
Speaker 3: which was meant to be the prime minister's legacy, but
Speaker 3: in fact he personally he turned Australians who initially supported
Speaker 3: the Voice against it by accusing voters of racism and misinformation.
Speaker 3: He is responsible for its failure. He didn't bother to
Speaker 3: find a proposal that would have bipartisan support because he
Speaker 3: didn't want to share the glory when it passed as
Speaker 3: he believed that it would. Then there's the immigration crisis
Speaker 3: where hundreds of criminals were released onto our streets, free
Speaker 3: to allegedly bash grandmothers and reoffend. There's his comprehensive failure
Speaker 3: to deal with anti Semitism, which I've spoken about at length.
Speaker 3: His flawed decision to fast track visas for nearly three
Speaker 3: thousand Garzens, including some with Hamas links. Albinizi is also
Speaker 3: pushing through a highly concerning misinformation bill. He's running a
Speaker 3: big Australia policy that's put pressure on the housing crisis,
Speaker 3: and this is helping to keep inflation persistent. He's cowering
Speaker 3: to China while our defense personnel have faced aggression and
Speaker 3: attacks from Beijing. And in terms of Albanese's management.
Speaker 2: Style, he lacks authority.
Speaker 3: Left wing figure Penny Wong is believed to have more
Speaker 3: command in cabinet than the Prime Minister, and unlike former
Speaker 3: prime ministers Scott Morrison, Tony Abbott, even Turnbull and Kevin Rudd,
Speaker 3: Albanizei doesn't bother to get across policy detail that his
Speaker 3: own government is asking Australians to support. He's either too lazy,
Speaker 3: too disinterested, or simply not bright enough, and then he's
Speaker 3: caught out and left to clean up the mess when
Speaker 3: those very policies that he didn't bother to get across
Speaker 3: cause massive backlash. We saw this with Tanya pleibusex environment
Speaker 3: laws and Andrew Giles's mess in immigration. The problem is
Speaker 3: that Alberonize never believed he'd end up as PM when
Speaker 3: Bill Shorton was Labor Leader. Sure Alberize leaked against him
Speaker 3: and agitated, but he wasn't truly.
Speaker 2: Desperate for the top job.
Speaker 3: If it didn't come, he would have been fine to
Speaker 3: continue leaking away in the media as Infrastructure Minister in
Speaker 3: a Shorten government. So Alberizi hadn't spent his time thinking
Speaker 3: deeply about his vision for Australia if he were Prime Minister.
Speaker 3: It was a surprise to Albo when Shorten lost the
Speaker 3: election and he became the opposition leader. And that's the
Speaker 3: history that has got us to where we are today.
Speaker 3: Alberze's failures as Prime Minister are comprehensive and unforgivable, in
Speaker 3: particular the explosion in racism towards Jews and the lawlessness
Speaker 3: and support for terror that's been largely doned on our streets.
Speaker 3: Albanezi squanders our multicultural success story while Australians are living
Speaker 3: in a prolonged cost of living.
Speaker 2: Crisis, and all the while he has no ground.
Speaker 3: Vision for our country and no command of ministerial briefs.
Speaker 3: Well news today that another senior boss at nine has
Speaker 3: been sacked ahead of a cultural review being released this month.
Speaker 3: Nine's director of Communications and public Relations, Victoria Buchan, was
Speaker 3: today made redundant.
Speaker 2: Now several months ago.
Speaker 3: In May, I broke the story that there were accusations
Speaker 3: from employees at nine that Victoria Buchan, as a nine
Speaker 3: spin doctor, had swept under the rug claims that news
Speaker 3: director Darren Wick had behaved poorly. I reported that Buchan
Speaker 3: had been made aware of several complaints against her long
Speaker 3: term friend Darren Wick, yet he then remained in the
Speaker 3: job for another five years. Here were the allegations made
Speaker 3: against her. Back in May, Victoria Buchan sought to suppress
Speaker 3: the scandal of Wick's inappropriate conduct after the twenty nineteen
Speaker 3: Logis after party. At the function, we've now learned of
Speaker 3: four women who Darren Wick allegedly groped, sexually harassed, or propositioned.
Speaker 3: One on air presenter who was the victim of sexual
Speaker 3: harassment claims that Victoria Buchan rang her in the weeks
Speaker 3: afterwards to ask about the incident, and the presenter claims
Speaker 3: that Buchan, along with another nine female executive, asked if
Speaker 3: she intended to make a formal complaint. Well, like many
Speaker 3: women at nine, she didn't want to lodge a formal
Speaker 3: complaint so that it wouldn't affect her career at progression Now,
Speaker 3: Wick remained in his job, and I also reported that
Speaker 3: Bucken phoned another woman to accuse her of gossiping about
Speaker 3: Darren Wick's behavior from that Logis after party, and Buckan
Speaker 3: allegedly told this woman that his behavior had been dealt
Speaker 3: with now. At the time, Buckan denied those allegations. I
Speaker 3: asked her whether it was correct that over the years
Speaker 3: she had become aware of allegations that Wick had behaved
Speaker 3: inappropriately towards women when intoxicated, and I asked her what
Speaker 3: action she'd taken about this, and whether she was more
Speaker 3: concerned about negative publicity for the network than a duty
Speaker 3: of care to vulnerable women.
Speaker 8: Well.
Speaker 3: Buckan responded at the time to say that she had
Speaker 3: spoken to Wick on a number of occasions about his drinking.
Speaker 3: She said I was aware that Darren Wick was intoxicated
Speaker 3: at the logies. He was spoken to and left the event.
Speaker 3: After the event, I spoke to people who came to
Speaker 3: me about his drinking. I was never at events where
Speaker 3: I was aware of the behavior described as Hansy occurred.
Speaker 3: I didn't recve any internal complaints to deal with or
Speaker 3: external media.
Speaker 2: Queries about such behaviors.
Speaker 3: Now, some presenters at nine have strongly felt that Bucan
Speaker 3: didn't have their best interests at heart, and she's accused
Speaker 3: of helping to plant stories against women during contract negotiations
Speaker 3: as a way of bullying them into submission. One nine
Speaker 3: presenter spoke to me today of her relief at Buckan's departure,
Speaker 3: and she said, and I quote, she was the gatekeeper.
Speaker 3: She wielded way too much power. This will go a
Speaker 3: long way to starting to restore trust. Another nine presenter
Speaker 3: told me she was very close with Darren Wick, so
Speaker 3: it's not at all a surprise that she's leaving, and
Speaker 3: their speculation about who might be next, and the entire
Speaker 3: senior leadership team at nine has now departed.
Speaker 2: I mean you look at who's already gone.
Speaker 3: Peter Costello, Chief executive, Mike sneezebe head of News Darren
Speaker 3: Wick and now Vic Bucken. And this all comes ahead
Speaker 3: of a report into the history of sexual harassment and
Speaker 3: the culture at nine. It's set to be handed down
Speaker 3: by the end of this month, but it's not clear yet.
Speaker 2: Whether it will be made public.
Speaker 3: All right, we're going to come back to that topic,
Speaker 3: come back to Newspoll. We're going to get the latest
Speaker 3: in Israel. So much more to talk about. I'm joined
Speaker 3: now by Sky News host Steve Price and contributer Joe Hildebrand.
Speaker 2: Welcome to you both, evening, Welcome back, Thank you so much. Joe.
Speaker 3: Look, Steve, starting with you, I want to get your
Speaker 3: reaction to news poll Newspoll did for the first time.
Speaker 2: Have Dutton or have the Coalition ahead of Labor today?
Speaker 3: Do you think there is a realistic proposition that Darton
Speaker 3: might win the next election, which has to be held
Speaker 3: sometime in the next seven months.
Speaker 9: Great job in Israel, by the way, outstanding what you
Speaker 9: did last week. Look, I think these polls are really interesting.
Speaker 9: Although the Australian Today, in analyzing it, suggested that much
Speaker 9: of the shift was from minor parties moving around their
Speaker 9: preferences and so you're having some people leaving Labour and
Speaker 9: going to the Greens, and you've got one nation pushing
Speaker 9: their preferences to the Coalition. But I don't think anyone
Speaker 9: who's a very close observer of Australian politics could say
Speaker 9: that there's not a mood for some sort of shift,
Speaker 9: which is a remarkable thing to say when this is
Speaker 9: a one term government. You know that doesn't happen in
Speaker 9: this country, and yet it looks like it will.
Speaker 2: And I think it went to.
Speaker 9: The heart of it there and Joe's not going to
Speaker 9: like this, but it goes to the heart of our
Speaker 9: Anthony Albanezi being weak and Australians don't like weak leaders.
Speaker 9: And when you're in the middle of a potential problem
Speaker 9: with China, you've got the Middle East, you've got a
Speaker 9: housing says you've got to cost a living crisis. Weak
Speaker 9: people don't fix those things. And I'll tell you what
Speaker 9: stood out for me yesterday. Where do you think Peter
Speaker 9: Dutton was yesterday? He was standing on the grid at
Speaker 9: the V eight supercars in Batist and I just think
Speaker 9: that that was him playing to the crowd that he
Speaker 9: believes will turn their vote toward the Coalition, and that's
Speaker 9: working class blue collar Australians who are sick and tired
Speaker 9: of what they're seeing in the supermarket and trying to
Speaker 9: buy their kids a house.
Speaker 3: I want to pick up on what you just said
Speaker 3: there about the Prime Minister looking weak and Steve, I
Speaker 3: think you are absolutely spot on. And this is where
Speaker 3: Peter Dutton's you know, what Labor thought were his negatives,
Speaker 3: that he was unlikable, it has turned to his strength
Speaker 3: because he is looking like a very strong leader compared
Speaker 3: to Albanizi. And it's at a time when we're dealing
Speaker 3: with war and a cost of living crisis that's just prolonged.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 10: I mean there's a couple of things. I don't think
Speaker 10: Anthony Albanese is weak. I think he's a deal maker.
Speaker 10: That's his background. He's a few he's used to, you know,
Speaker 10: bringing parties together and say right, what do we need
Speaker 10: to do to make this problem go away? You shake
Speaker 10: hands and we're going to go and say we're going
Speaker 10: to put out this thing and this is how it's
Speaker 10: going to go down. And that was his role in
Speaker 10: the party. And when you do that, I suppose on
Speaker 10: the national stage, it does run the risk of you
Speaker 10: being seen to be trying to sort of plicate both sides,
Speaker 10: and you might say that, you know, Israel and Palestine
Speaker 10: is a classic example of that, where he's trying to
Speaker 10: sort of say the right thing to both parties and
Speaker 10: both sides to de escalate things, and then both then
Speaker 10: both sides just say, well, you're actually not in my corner,
Speaker 10: so you end up pissing both people off. So you know,
Speaker 10: it's tough being in the middle. In terms of the
Speaker 10: way he runs his cabinet, this you have to understand, obviously,
Speaker 10: is a reaction to the way Kevin Rudd ran the cabinet,
Speaker 10: and he was seen as autocratic. He was seen as
Speaker 10: micro managing his ministers, eventually sidelining them all together with
Speaker 10: the sort of kitchen cabinet of four, which caused that
Speaker 10: ministerial revolt which turned into the end of his prime ministership.
Speaker 1: And so he's trying to run fending.
Speaker 10: In can save God until my next year at least,
Speaker 10: I think, Steve.
Speaker 9: Man, you really seriously think that he's showing himself to
Speaker 9: be a strong leader because he goes around both sides
Speaker 9: of his mouth, But.
Speaker 10: He's a consensus driven He's a consensus driven leader. Lad
Speaker 10: who's just going to.
Speaker 1: Go from strong leadership Joe.
Speaker 10: Easy to be a strong leader when you're in opposition
Speaker 10: and you don't actually have to be an say whatever
Speaker 10: he wants.
Speaker 2: Need to have been there.
Speaker 3: The times maketh the man, and it is easy to
Speaker 3: be a strong prime minister in times of crisis. We
Speaker 3: have seen prime ministers in the past hold impressive press
Speaker 3: conferences with the flags behind them, showing their leadership.
Speaker 2: There is nothing simpler and Alban easy hasn't done it.
Speaker 2: He has failed. And how hard is it to come
Speaker 2: out against terrorism? Seriously, it's the easiest thing anyone can do.
Speaker 2: He hasn't done it.
Speaker 3: Speaking of which, let's now turn to the history of
Speaker 3: prominent restauranteur Our Azbek. Now he's now been charged over
Speaker 3: allegedly holding an anti Semitic sign which had the Nazi
Speaker 3: swastika superimposed over an Israeli flag. But The Australian reports
Speaker 3: today that back in twenty fourteen, the founder of the
Speaker 3: No Bad Restaurants was once questioned by police after waiting
Speaker 3: outside a Bondai synagogue and in his car it was
Speaker 3: found that he had water bomb balloons. Now, I've got
Speaker 3: to say, at the same time and we all know
Speaker 3: that this has happened over the weekend. The bakery cord
Speaker 3: Avner's in Sydney, owned by a jew it was targeted.
Speaker 3: Her must triangles painted on the window. A note under
Speaker 3: the door read be careful, Steve.
Speaker 2: The owner is Jewish.
Speaker 3: He's never said anything about the war, so you can't
Speaker 3: say this is anything other than anti Semitism, and it
Speaker 3: is disgraceful.
Speaker 9: Look, I think the way he handled that was perfect.
Speaker 9: He left those symbols was up on the glass and
Speaker 9: he deliberately did that. And the Jewish community in Sydney
Speaker 9: showed their support. They turned up there and in large
Speaker 9: numbers to have their breakfast, which was a great thing.
Speaker 9: I really get very disturbed by the be careful note
Speaker 9: shoved under the door, just on the allegations about that
Speaker 9: bloke with the Jewish flag, the Israeli flag and the
Speaker 9: swastika on it. What I really get upset about. This
Speaker 9: bloke today has said I'm so sorry. I apologize unreservedly
Speaker 9: for what I did. Mate, you did it. Saying you're
Speaker 9: sorry now has no impact on me, no impact on
Speaker 9: any Jewish Australian at all. You should not have done it.
Speaker 9: And there's a picture of your holding the bloody thing, mate.
Speaker 9: I mean, saying sorry doesn't wash it.
Speaker 10: I didn't realize that showing a swastika on an Israeli
Speaker 10: flag was wrong, but now I've embraced those learnings and
Speaker 10: literally literally off to an ashram in India to contemplate
Speaker 10: my wrongdoings on my own birth. I mean, I think
Speaker 10: that the fact that he said, I'm now going to
Speaker 10: an ashram to dwell on my shortcomings as a human,
Speaker 10: but like that just shows how outrageously self important and
Speaker 10: pretentious this person is. He clearly hasn't had too many
Speaker 10: people telling him is wrong throughout his life. I reckon
Speaker 10: his business is finished right now. Judging by the comments
Speaker 10: his wife made publicly about how he had brought so
Speaker 10: much damage and distribute to it, I wouldn't be surprised
Speaker 10: if his marriage is also over. But I don't want
Speaker 10: to tread him to that personal sphere. But it was
Speaker 10: extraordinary that she came out with such strong language. His
Speaker 10: behavior ten years ago outside of synagogue was just absolutely crazy,
Speaker 10: and his explanation for it just defies consense. It is
Speaker 10: absolutely all over for this guy. Ed on the other hand,
Speaker 10: who I've met a few times, and who is the
Speaker 10: loveliest bloke in the world. The TV chef that's met
Speaker 10: couple all us TV celebrities stick together that But he's
Speaker 10: just a love This guy is a loveless guy. I
Speaker 10: used to see him at seven other places and he's
Speaker 10: the loveless guy off screen as he is on.
Speaker 2: Wish continue to support.
Speaker 10: Guts his guts in actually you know, I mean, I
Speaker 10: know what it's like to be stalked, I know what
Speaker 10: it's like to get a hate mail, and his guts
Speaker 10: in actually standing up and saying you know what, this
Speaker 10: will not stand good.
Speaker 3: So I agree, Let's all continue to buy from Avner's Bakery,
Speaker 3: jew or non chocolate.
Speaker 2: Let's all support it. Yes, Steve, this.
Speaker 9: Bloke in Melbourne has heres A restaurants in Melbourne as well,
Speaker 9: and I'm pleased to say that large numbers of big
Speaker 9: businesses have canceled events that they had planned between now
Speaker 9: and the end of the year at his one of
Speaker 9: his upmarket restaurants.
Speaker 1: They're just not going to go.
Speaker 9: They've pulled out and they've said we're not coming anywhere
Speaker 9: near you, mate. I hope everybody does that. And the
Speaker 9: bloke goes broke.
Speaker 3: Yeap all right, very quickly, before we go, I just
Speaker 3: want to ask you about the departure that we learned today.
Speaker 3: Spoke about it just a moment ago of nine's chief
Speaker 3: spin doctor Vic Bucken.
Speaker 2: Joe.
Speaker 3: There is now going to be pressure from staff inside
Speaker 3: nine for this report to be made public when it is,
Speaker 3: and my understanding is that very top executives do have
Speaker 3: a copy of it already.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 10: I mean, I suppose if they don't make the report public,
Speaker 10: they're just repeating their previous mistakes, aren't they, Which is
Speaker 10: that all this happens, but it's all sort of covered
Speaker 10: up and buried.
Speaker 1: It happens in darkness.
Speaker 10: I think they have to. I think that the fact
Speaker 10: that they have basically got rid of everyone from the
Speaker 10: chairman and the CEO down.
Speaker 1: Hi, Victoria, if you're watching.
Speaker 10: I do like Kigbucking, but I like everybody, as you.
Speaker 2: Know you like everyone.
Speaker 10: I know I'm too soft, but I think given that
Speaker 10: you know, she was the one who clear cleaned up
Speaker 10: all their dirty laundry, and you know, to get rid
Speaker 10: of her when she was probably more responsible than anyone
Speaker 10: else for stopping the whole operation from falling apart before
Speaker 10: it did, you could probably debate.
Speaker 3: That there are also, by the way, there are also
Speaker 3: some who say the only departure out of this review
Speaker 3: can't be one woman.
Speaker 2: There are those people who are saying that.
Speaker 3: And by the way, as she just point out that,
Speaker 3: because the report's not public, we actually don't know whether
Speaker 3: vic Buckin's departure has anything to do with the review.
Speaker 3: It could just be a routine redundancy. We are yet
Speaker 3: to see, all right, Joe Hildo Brand, Steve Price. Great
Speaker 3: to see you both now. Today marks one year since
Speaker 3: Australians overwhelmingly voted against the Voice to Parliament and during
Speaker 3: the campaign the Prime Minister accused No campaigners of racism,
Speaker 3: misinformation and being chicken littles. There were millions of dollars
Speaker 3: from corporate Australia supporting the Yes campaign, and yet Australians
Speaker 3: found their own voice and overwhelmingly utterly rejected changing the constitution.
Speaker 3: Not that Albaneze has accepted any responsibility personally for its failure,
Speaker 3: and he blames everyone else, Peter Dutton, the media and
Speaker 3: of course misinformation, and now he wants legislation designed to crack.
Speaker 2: Down on just that.
Speaker 3: Well, a year has gone past and the Albanese government
Speaker 3: has now been accused of failing to prioritize indigenously shoes
Speaker 3: of simply forgetting about Indigenous Australians. It's a point being
Speaker 3: made by Jacenter Price and National's leader David Littlebrout. They're
Speaker 3: calling for a forensic audit of programs and organizations that
Speaker 3: they say aren't improving the lives of Indigenous people, and
Speaker 3: David little Proud joins me. Now, David, welcome to the show. Well,
Speaker 3: a year on from the no vote succeeding at the referendum,
Speaker 3: why do you say that the Albanesi government has abandoned
Speaker 3: Indigenous Australians.
Speaker 11: Well, nothing's happened. Thanks for having me, but nothing's happened.
Speaker 11: We've had twelve months of missed opportunity. We've had twelve
Speaker 11: months and nothing. We actually took a principal position as
Speaker 11: Nationals before everybody else in November last year and said
Speaker 11: that we wouldn't support the Voice before anyone else did,
Speaker 11: because we saw the repeating.
Speaker 1: Mistakes in the past.
Speaker 11: We were going to create another lie of bureaucracy which
Speaker 11: we've had before, which is called atsik it filed those
Speaker 11: that we represent from our lived.
Speaker 1: Experience, we couldn't support it.
Speaker 11: But what we did the very next week after Australians
Speaker 11: voted was that Peter Dutt and I walked into that
Speaker 11: Parliament and we moved two motions. One was for a
Speaker 11: Forrenzic Order of over five billion dollars worth of funding
Speaker 11: from government agencies that go into closing that gap to
Speaker 11: make sure that there is value for money for Australians
Speaker 11: at taxpayers, as well as for a Royal Commission into
Speaker 11: sexual child abuse in Central Australia. Because Australians gave us
Speaker 11: a strong indication they wanted action. They didn't want ideology,
Speaker 11: they wanted to practical reality. They wanted action. And that's
Speaker 11: why I'm back out here in Alice Springs with Jacinta
Speaker 11: listening to elders, understanding the only way to change this
Speaker 11: is to listen to elders and have local solutions, not
Speaker 11: regional national solutions. But this government has been asleep at
Speaker 11: the will Anthony Alberanez. He has washed his hands of
Speaker 11: Indigenous Australias. He's done nothing for twelve months. This is
Speaker 11: a blight on our nation and a blight on him
Speaker 11: as Prime Minister who came saying he was going to
Speaker 11: change the country. But in fact, they only spend four
Speaker 11: hundred and fifty million dollars on dividing us.
Speaker 3: David little Proud, I want to ask you your view
Speaker 3: on this suggestion by one of the Voice architects, Meghan Davis,
Speaker 3: that a misinformation bill would have helped the Voice secure
Speaker 3: a victory.
Speaker 11: It would have silenced people like myself and just In
Speaker 11: an Apple, Genper Price and Warren Mundane. Those two in
Speaker 11: particular led our nation. What the National Party's position was
Speaker 11: to give them the oxygen to do that and to
Speaker 11: give their led experience about why this was repeating the
Speaker 11: mistakes of the past, of more bureaucracy, of attic mark two,
Speaker 11: of letting them be able to say exactly what was
Speaker 11: happening out here in Central Australia where the prime is
Speaker 11: that dares not come. That would have been seen in
Speaker 11: the eyes under this new law as misinformation. You would
Speaker 11: have silenced just In an Apple, jimper Price, and Warren
Speaker 11: Mundine in what country where one hundred and three thousand,
Speaker 11: more than one hundred and three thousands have lost their
Speaker 11: lives defending the very principle of our freedom of speech,
Speaker 11: that their message of their lived experience was going to
Speaker 11: be washed away because the Prime Minister had an idological
Speaker 11: view predicated out a redfern, not out of here in
Speaker 11: central Australia. That's not the Australia that those one hundred
Speaker 11: and three thousand Australians defended. Nor I as a custodian
Speaker 11: of that freedom of speech, want to let go and
Speaker 11: we intend to repeal that bill if it gets through.
Speaker 11: But the reality is is Australians spoke, They spoke loudly,
Speaker 11: and when they do we should respect that.
Speaker 1: We should get on with the job of what they've
Speaker 1: tasked us to do.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's one of the many examples of how the
Speaker 3: misinformation legislation, as you say, if it goes ahead, could
Speaker 3: be misused for political purposes. Now we see today the
Speaker 3: front page of The Australian the Coalition surge ahead of
Speaker 3: Labour for the first time in news poll.
Speaker 2: What do you think the.
Speaker 3: Chances are now of Peter Dutton being the next Prime Minister?
Speaker 1: Well, I only.
Speaker 11: Hope so, because what we need to do is get
Speaker 11: back to base. We need strong leadership and that's why
Speaker 11: Peter Dutton and I have shown from the voice all
Speaker 11: the way through. But I think it's a reflection of
Speaker 11: what Australians have asked themselves, do.
Speaker 1: They feel safer and do they feel better off.
Speaker 11: After two and a half years of Anthony Albanezy and
Speaker 11: they overwhelming answer that is no, they don't.
Speaker 1: They're paying more.
Speaker 11: We don't feel safer because they've led again with what's
Speaker 11: happening on the streets of Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane. The
Speaker 11: ideology of what's happening in the Middle East permeate here
Speaker 11: into Australia, when what we should do is get back
Speaker 11: to first principles.
Speaker 1: Every Australian should.
Speaker 11: Ask themselves if those terror attacks happened in Australia on
Speaker 11: the seventh of October, that happened in Israel, what would
Speaker 11: they expect.
Speaker 1: The Australian government to do.
Speaker 11: They would expect their government to pursue those terrorist organizations
Speaker 11: to any part of the planet and destroy them to
Speaker 11: keep their people safe.
Speaker 1: That's what Israel has done.
Speaker 11: And when you get to the essence of what's happened
Speaker 11: is we've stood up for those principles of freedom and
Speaker 11: safe and peace loving people that have come to this
Speaker 11: country to escape the Middle East to have that here.
Speaker 11: But then when you get to the cost of living
Speaker 11: crisis about sensible energy policy that'll feed into lower food prices,
Speaker 11: but also sensible immigration policy, not by cutting it, but
Speaker 11: by bringing those determining. We should determine who comes to
Speaker 11: this country, the skills they have, and where we want
Speaker 11: them to live. We've got a housing crisis and we
Speaker 11: should give hope to Australinge they can own a home
Speaker 11: because we're going to bring the best and bryers here
Speaker 11: to solve our problems, not care in a corner like
Speaker 11: Anthony Albernez.
Speaker 1: He's done for two and a half years.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, David little Proud, thank you very much
Speaker 3: for joining me today National's Leader on the one year
Speaker 3: anniversary of.
Speaker 2: The Voice defeat.
Speaker 3: Now, after the break, I'll show you extraordinary footage of
Speaker 3: Hezbola weapons and tunnels just meters from United Nations outposts.
Speaker 3: How can the international community possibly defend this? And a
Speaker 3: high profile human rights lawyer would join me to speak
Speaker 3: about this from Israel next, plus a Labor and Peace
Speaker 3: Office viciously andalyzed by Hamas supporters. As anti Semitism continues
Speaker 3: to explode, we'll look at that shocking example, and Cameron
Speaker 3: Milner will be on the show to speak about how
Speaker 3: he thinks the Prime Minister is running a clown show
Speaker 3: for a government. Stay tuned, Welcome back well. Greg Sheridan
Speaker 3: wrote a brilliant column on the weekend where he spoke
Speaker 3: about how Israel is fighting a just and moral war
Speaker 3: and how it needs out support. Sheridan wrote that Penny
Speaker 3: One keeps implying that Israel is breaking into national law
Speaker 3: when all evidence points to the contrary. He writes that
Speaker 3: she fraudulently implies that Israel has prevented the establishment of
Speaker 3: a Palestinian state, even though this isn't the case and
Speaker 3: the UN provided for one seventy seven years ago. Greg
Speaker 3: Sheridan writes it three times since then, Israel has offered
Speaker 3: a Palestinian state on generous terms, only to be met
Speaker 3: by rejection and murderous terrorism. Several times in its short existence,
Speaker 3: Israel has had to fight conventional wars of national survival,
Speaker 3: as in the Yom Kippur War of seventy three, and
Speaker 3: now Iran, five minutes away from possessing nuclear weapons, proclaims
Speaker 3: its sacred mission of wiping Israel off the map while
Speaker 3: organizing terror and missile strikes from every point on Israel's border.
Speaker 3: Now I highly recommend you read Greg Sheridan's brilliance there
Speaker 3: for this comes as evidence has emerged of Hesbela tunnels
Speaker 3: and infrastructure in the close vicinity of the United Nations,
Speaker 3: around one hundred meters or so away from a UN
Speaker 3: peacekeeping observation post. The terrorists were building tunnels, storing weapons,
Speaker 3: and using it as a base to attack Israel.
Speaker 2: Have a look at this vision.
Speaker 8: This is one of seven hundred Hesba drop points, twenty
Speaker 8: five trails in this area three hundred meters from the
Speaker 8: border where Hisbala has built small bases. Really, you see
Speaker 8: here explosive devices, You've got boots, got helmets, all the
Speaker 8: equipment that you need if you are preparing to invade
Speaker 8: the Israeli border.
Speaker 2: It's extraordinary.
Speaker 3: After the Second Lebanon War in two thousand and six,
Speaker 3: the United Nations Resolution seventeen oh one decreed that Hesbela
Speaker 3: needed to stay north of the Lehani River. It also
Speaker 3: needed to demilitarize southern Lebanon. The United Nations never enforced this, never,
Speaker 3: so it's been left to Israel to now deal with.
Speaker 3: And yet the international community call for Israel to stop
Speaker 3: defending and protecting its own citizens and have a ceasefire. Well,
Speaker 3: let's cross now live now to tell Aviv and I'm
Speaker 3: joined by human rights lawyer and senior fellow at the
Speaker 3: Misgav Institute for National Security, Arson Ostrovsky. Arson, thank you
Speaker 3: very much for joining me on the show. I want
Speaker 3: to get your commentary on this. On these Hesbela weapons
Speaker 3: found so close to you and outposts, what were the
Speaker 3: United Nations officials actually doing?
Speaker 12: Look, but you and officials were simply doing nothing. But
Speaker 12: you know, we need to put this in context as well.
Speaker 12: You know, just before coming on air, has Bala terrace
Speaker 12: firing from southern Lebanon right under the noses of the
Speaker 12: uniform soldiers, rain down rockets on central Israel before that
Speaker 12: earlier this morning, and also rain rockets down on northern Israel,
Speaker 12: including Hi. Today, some almost been million or so Istralis
Speaker 12: have been in bomb shelters and in the line of
Speaker 12: fire from Hesbeala rockets. That's about one fifth of the population,
Speaker 12: one fifth of Australia's population. To put this in context,
Speaker 12: it's about five and a bit million people. That is
Speaker 12: the entire population of Sydney. Now we have to understand
Speaker 12: that has Balo is not like the Lashnami. It has
Speaker 12: ballet is a gin, a subtle terrorist organization sworn to
Speaker 12: Israel's destruction, that acts at the behest of the running regime,
Speaker 12: that fired over ten thousand rockets, missiles, suicide drones. Almost
Speaker 12: sixty people have been either murdered or killed in one
Speaker 12: hundred thousand have been displaced from their homes. Australia certainly
Speaker 12: wouldn't put up with us, and quite frankly, nor can
Speaker 12: Israel or any other serve nation.
Speaker 3: Now you know our political situation very well here in
Speaker 3: Australia because you used to live in Australia.
Speaker 13: Well.
Speaker 3: Foreign Minister Penny Wong has claimed that Israel has targeted
Speaker 3: So she's saying Israel is deliberately targeting un personnel.
Speaker 2: That's not what's happening at all, is it?
Speaker 1: No, not at all.
Speaker 12: Quite frankly, that's an outrageous the lie in a gross
Speaker 12: of true Israel is targeting solely has Balah targets, but
Speaker 12: has Balah just like Hamas, is committing a double crime.
Speaker 12: They're embedding themselves in civilian areas including homes, schools, hospitals, mosques,
Speaker 12: whilst using their own people cynically as human shields. Whilst
Speaker 12: in discriminately buying at Israel. No country could possibly tolerate
Speaker 12: this north Israel. So for miss Wong to say that
Speaker 12: Israel is intentionally targeting anyone but terrorist targets is quite
Speaker 12: frankly outrageous and a lie.
Speaker 1: Israel is gone.
Speaker 12: Israel has gone and continues to go as it has
Speaker 12: in Gaza, just as it is now in Levetonto lengths
Speaker 12: not seen in the history of modern warfare, to abide
Speaker 12: by principles of international law and to avoid any harm
Speaker 12: to civilians.
Speaker 3: Arson further evidence overnight that Tehran was in part behind
Speaker 3: the October seven attacks, the IDF discovering documents which suggest
Speaker 3: that around began funding the harmas October seven attack as
Speaker 3: early as twenty twenty one. This shows that ultimately the
Speaker 3: international community, whether they like it or not, is going
Speaker 3: to have to deal with the nuclear weapons program that
Speaker 3: Iran is developing.
Speaker 12: Look, absolutely, Iran is not some kind of passive actor here.
Speaker 12: Iran is the one that is calling the shots. Iran
Speaker 12: is supporting these proxy terrorist groups, including Hasbal and Hamaspertofim.
Speaker 12: By the way, when it's also recognized that designated terror
Speaker 12: groups in Australia, but not only that not only are
Speaker 12: they supplying them with weapons, with training, with funds, with instructions,
Speaker 12: but they also directly are taking as well. They did
Speaker 12: so in April this year by firing with three hundred
Speaker 12: missiles and rockets, and of course just the other week
Speaker 12: when they ran down over one hundred and eighty ballistic missiles,
Speaker 12: setting the entire the entire country into bomb shelter. So
Speaker 12: certainly you know the you know this is you look
Speaker 12: at this like a lack an octopus, and it is
Speaker 12: Iran ahead of the octopus.
Speaker 3: Yeah, indeed, all right, and yet everyone just wants to
Speaker 3: put their head in the sands. They want to cease fire,
Speaker 3: they want to let around contry you to develop the
Speaker 3: nuclear programs. I mean, the Americans, I'm worried more about
Speaker 3: the US election than they are about actually dealing with
Speaker 3: this threat, which is a threat to all of us
Speaker 3: around the world, including in Australia. If God forbid, Iran
Speaker 3: would develop a nuclear bump. All right, Arsenostrowsky, great to
Speaker 3: have you on the show again.
Speaker 2: Thank you now.
Speaker 3: After the break, Labor politician Peter Khalil's Melbourne office vandalized
Speaker 3: by Hamas supporters. Plus why labor is looking more and
Speaker 3: more like a clown show. Cameron Milner with his scathing
Speaker 3: review and concern in Kamala Harris's camp about her inability
Speaker 3: to conduct even friendly interviews. Meanwhile, Trump is begging for
Speaker 3: more security amid a third assassination attempt.
Speaker 2: All of this still coming up.
Speaker 3: Okay, we're going to get to US politics in a moment,
Speaker 3: but now let's bring in former chief of staff to
Speaker 3: Bill Shorten, Cameron Milner, and former Howard advisor David Gazzar.
Speaker 3: And welcome to you both, And by Carmeron Milner, you
Speaker 3: have written another scathing piece on the Albanezy government. You're
Speaker 3: comparing the Prime Minister and labor to a circus. You
Speaker 3: write that we are led through another election campaign with
Speaker 3: Albow leading a clown show, firmly in his own image.
Speaker 2: You wonder what did Labor voters do to deserve this?
Speaker 3: So Cameron, talk us through why you're saying that this
Speaker 3: government is basically a circus and a clown show.
Speaker 14: Well, just look at how bad they are, Shari. I mean,
Speaker 14: if you didn't know good cry, you have to laugh.
Speaker 14: And just how bad they are and how Albo this
Speaker 14: hit the helm of this He's running a three ring
Speaker 14: circus and he's the chief clown, chief clown. It's terrible, Shari.
Speaker 1: It's terrible for.
Speaker 14: Labor voters, terrible for Labour people to see just how
Speaker 14: bad this government really is. And you see Albow out there.
Speaker 14: You know, there's happy Albow when he's getting free tickets
Speaker 14: from Tato. This sad Albow when his voice didn't get up.
Speaker 14: Sixty percent of Australians voted down and it's part time Albow.
Speaker 14: He turned up for three days, so Parliament's that for
Speaker 14: three days. He turned up for one and a half
Speaker 14: days in a whole month. What a joke, what a face,
Speaker 14: what a circus.
Speaker 3: David Gazarre, we're seeing Newspole. We've been talking about it
Speaker 3: on the show tonight. You know, Newspoll. Coalition ahead for
Speaker 3: the first time, David Gazard.
Speaker 2: Do you think voters across.
Speaker 3: Australia are starting to see what the Prime Minister's like?
Speaker 5: Well, I think that's you know, there's no doubt about that.
Speaker 5: And that's been happening now for the last twelve months.
Speaker 5: Until we see the combination of that today with news
Speaker 5: poll where finally the polls across so the coalition leads
Speaker 5: on a two pp basis that unleashes all the animal
Speaker 5: spirits of politics when that occurs. I've been in that
Speaker 5: situation myself where it's gone against the government which I
Speaker 5: work for with John Howard. It is tough to get back,
Speaker 5: and as Cameron notes, there is no sign that this
Speaker 5: administration is capable of pulling that back. The government looks
Speaker 5: adrift and every time Anthony Elbanezi pops up, it's sort
Speaker 5: of selling a message that the electric aren't interested in
Speaker 5: and that sort of cuts against their chief concern of
Speaker 5: cost of living.
Speaker 3: And we're not seeing much from the Prime Minister, are
Speaker 3: we on cost of living?
Speaker 2: Cameron?
Speaker 14: No, And it's been an anis horribulous for him, and
Speaker 14: he started by losing the voice and now he's losing
Speaker 14: the vote. Shari, I mean, this guy doesn't have a
Speaker 14: clue how to lead his way out of a wet
Speaker 14: paper bag, let alone deal with the cost of living issue.
Speaker 14: He's off frolicking around the world on lobsters rather than
Speaker 14: dealing with bread and butter family table issues which Australians
Speaker 14: are crying out for leadership on. So that's why he's
Speaker 14: so down in the polls. I'm sure his poll bounced
Speaker 14: around a bit, David, but I think the trend is
Speaker 14: Dutton's friend and it's all bad and all one way
Speaker 14: traffic for labor.
Speaker 3: Cameron, I've got to remind everyone at home that you
Speaker 3: are a labor insider. You were state director in Queensland,
Speaker 3: Bill Shotton's chief of staff.
Speaker 2: I just want to quickly ask you.
Speaker 3: Isn't your sense that there are some labor and pace
Speaker 3: getting nervous about the next election and Albo's leadership.
Speaker 14: And not only Labor MPs. There are rank and file members,
Speaker 14: there are union leaders. There are greats like Paul Keating
Speaker 14: and Bill Kelty or calling this out. I mean this
Speaker 14: is not unique. Labour people are desperately worried that labor
Speaker 14: first term government is going to be flushed down the
Speaker 14: toilet because of what's being done here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, all right, let's have a look at Labor
Speaker 3: MPP to Khalil, he's a federal MP. He's become the
Speaker 3: latest target of a vicious vandal attack by Hamas supporters.
Speaker 3: His Melbourne office has actually been spray painted with that
Speaker 3: inverted red triangle dowsed in an unknown substance. It's said
Speaker 3: to have a horrific stench. David Gazard. Peter Khalil isn't Jewish,
Speaker 3: but he has been a moderate voice of reason and
Speaker 3: this is how he's targeted.
Speaker 5: And he also occupies the seat of Wills, which the
Speaker 5: Greens would like to dearly win off the Labor Party,
Speaker 5: and the Greens have been very very strident in there
Speaker 5: in their cause to support Hamas and Hesbalah and have
Speaker 5: been very very anti Israel. That that's all fine, you
Speaker 5: can have your views, but what we're seeing here is
Speaker 5: a breakdown of law and order. There are there are
Speaker 5: cries for ethnic cleansing and genocide in Australia's streets now
Speaker 5: brought in by people under our immigration policies, a far
Speaker 5: cry from sort of the the country we know and love,
Speaker 5: and I think most Australians would be puzzled, concerned and
Speaker 5: worried about that. But we're now bumping up against the
Speaker 5: obligation of people to abide.
Speaker 1: By the rule of law.
Speaker 5: This is vandalism, it's intimidation and it's time for the
Speaker 5: police force to act on it. It's just simply not
Speaker 5: good enough that a member of Parliament is sort of
Speaker 5: being bullied and his offers vandalized and there's never there's
Speaker 5: never any action against the perpetrators.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, if there have been arrests for this
Speaker 3: kind of behavior, because we've seen a lot of it
Speaker 3: now against MP's officers, then we're not hearing about those arrests.
Speaker 2: Cameron.
Speaker 3: What worries me is this when you look at the
Speaker 3: news websites today, it's just another news article as if
Speaker 3: it's perfectly normal that a politician's office should be targeted.
Speaker 3: It is intimidation, like David said, and it is scary, and.
Speaker 14: I couldn't agree more with David. I mean, I think
Speaker 14: we're at a juncture point in society. I mean, for
Speaker 14: goodness sake, the red triangle is a Hamas terrorist symbol.
Speaker 14: Play and simple, plain and simple. It's appearing on MP's doors,
Speaker 14: it's appearing on our Federal Parliament, it's appearing on professor's
Speaker 14: doors and universities. And yet Albo and everyone is let's
Speaker 14: all slide, let's all go through, doesn't want to call
Speaker 14: it out. It needs to be called out, and we
Speaker 14: need to hall terrorism for what it is, and we
Speaker 14: need to call out these people and detain them if
Speaker 14: we need to be.
Speaker 2: To port them exactly.
Speaker 3: And by the way, David Khalil is the envoy for
Speaker 3: Social cohesion in the federal government, and like I said,
Speaker 3: he is a sensible.
Speaker 2: And moderate voice. He's one of the good guys.
Speaker 3: All right, Cara Milna, David Gazzard, appreciate both of your
Speaker 3: thoughts tonight, and we'll check out your piece Cameron on
Speaker 3: the Nightly. Now still to come, a third assassination attempt
Speaker 3: on Donald Trump's life raises questions about his security.
Speaker 2: Why does he have to beg for more security? I
Speaker 2: have more on that next, Plus Kamala Harris caught out.
Speaker 3: In friendly interviews and sixty minutes faces accusations that it
Speaker 3: may have protected the VP.
Speaker 2: All of that coming up after this quick break.
Speaker 3: All right, let's turn to the United States now, where
Speaker 3: police have thwarted a third assassination attempt on Donald Trump.
Speaker 3: Van Miller was arrested by local police outside a Trump
Speaker 3: rally in California. He was caught allegedly trying to enter
Speaker 3: with loaded guns and a fake press pass. Let's bringing
Speaker 3: now Sky News contributed Kosher Gata Kosher. He has denied
Speaker 3: he was planning any assassination attempt. But I think the
Speaker 3: main issue here that Trump has been asking just for
Speaker 3: the same level of security as Joe Biden, and given
Speaker 3: they have now been three attempts on his life, surely
Speaker 3: this is the responsibility to give him maximum security.
Speaker 13: Yes, as you mentioned, there are some conflicting reports about this.
Speaker 13: The sheriff who apprehended him or his team is on
Speaker 13: record saying they believe that they did foil a third
Speaker 13: assassination attempt. The Secret Service and the FBI put out
Speaker 13: a statement a short time ago saying they don't believe
Speaker 13: it was an assassination attempt because this person was apprehended
Speaker 13: without incident. But you're absolutely right about the macro picture.
Speaker 13: I will say, on the positive side, you can see
Speaker 13: a little bit of an improvement from Butler, where he
Speaker 13: was within millions of his life to at the golf
Speaker 13: course where the Secret Service apprehended and somebody who breached
Speaker 13: the perimeter, and then here this person was at least
Speaker 13: taken out before he came into the perimeter. But yeah,
Speaker 13: I mean, this does not give people confidence broadly speaking,
Speaker 13: because we've never had three attempts. The last time we've
Speaker 13: had an attempt on a president was forty years ago
Speaker 13: for Ronald Reagan. And it's a reminder of how high
Speaker 13: the stakes are in this election, and they should be
Speaker 13: doing everything in the book at the security around Trump,
Speaker 13: and I'm not sure people are confident that that's happening.
Speaker 2: Absolutely.
Speaker 3: I think there are serious concerns that there might be
Speaker 3: another attempt in the next twenty two days.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 3: CBS News facing calls to release the full unedited transcript
Speaker 3: of its sixty minutes interview with Kamala Harris after it
Speaker 3: aired two different answers have a look.
Speaker 10: But it seems that Prime Minister Netanya who is not listening.
Speaker 12: We're not going to stop pursuing what is necessary for
Speaker 12: the United States to be clear about where we stand
Speaker 12: on the need for this ward end Kosha.
Speaker 2: Her original answer was reportedly much longer.
Speaker 13: Yes, it was. And I think CBS has found itself
Speaker 13: in a little bit of a firestorm here because they
Speaker 13: as of this hour have refused to release the full
Speaker 13: unedited transcript and there is precedent of that. They've done
Speaker 13: it before with other candidates, including Trump when they interviewed
Speaker 13: him last time in twenty twenty, but they don't do it,
Speaker 13: and it does, I think call into question their journalistic
Speaker 13: standards a little bit, and it doesn't help come. I
Speaker 13: think because she has this perception. She's created this perception
Speaker 13: where she's sort of the stage managed candidate and only
Speaker 13: does friendly media. It's always highly produced and she doesn't
Speaker 13: step into adversarial press pools or do any sort of
Speaker 13: press conferences. So I don't think this is actually helping
Speaker 13: her shake that image. It's just going to reinforce it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and as you mentioned, you know, even in friendly interviews,
Speaker 3: she has been accused of struggling with those. There was
Speaker 3: this example. You might have seen this already, but if not,
Speaker 3: here it is where she was on the view If anything,
Speaker 3: would you have done something differently than President Biden during
Speaker 3: the past four years?
Speaker 2: There is done a thing that comes to mind and
Speaker 2: kosher here.
Speaker 3: Of course, the issue is that, you know, what is
Speaker 3: the difference between her between what she's offering as potential
Speaker 3: president and the Biden administration.
Speaker 2: How can she not answer that softball question?
Speaker 13: Yes, that is the one question that she should be
Speaker 13: prepared for. Everybody gets that question when you're running as
Speaker 13: the VP, the second in command, coming in at a
Speaker 13: time when the majority of the country thinks the country
Speaker 13: is on the wrong track. They're not happy with the
Speaker 13: results in the performance of the country under the previous administration.
Speaker 13: She absolutely should know that the answer to that question,
Speaker 13: and it was quite stunning when you think about it,
Speaker 13: where it just sounded like it didn't even occur to
Speaker 13: her and she just on the fly was saying, oh, well,
Speaker 13: nothing comes to mind. And it was a huge miss
Speaker 13: opportunity by her, and the Trump campaign wasted no time
Speaker 13: turning it into an ad where they just play that
Speaker 13: on loop with Donald Trump's voice saying I'm Donald Trump.
Speaker 2: Improved this message. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Look, and there are concerns among the Democrat Party, definitely
Speaker 3: the Democrat media that she might be losing momentum as well,
Speaker 3: given she hasn't managed to outline any vision for what
Speaker 3: her presidency would look like.
Speaker 13: Yes, I think all the poll is tightening. There's been
Speaker 13: leaks of internal polls, which is the really good stuff,
Speaker 13: the professional pollsters that the campaigns pay and commission. They're
Speaker 13: much better quality polls than the public stuff that we
Speaker 13: see on the outside. And it's definitely tightening. The fact
Speaker 13: that she's doing this media blitz, which is a departure
Speaker 13: from where she started her campaign, I think is a
Speaker 13: signal about that. But I still say, don't be fooled.
Speaker 13: This is a very very tight race, and notwithstanding all
Speaker 13: of that, it could honestly go either way.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll follow it closely over the next few weeks.
Speaker 3: All right, Kosha Dada, thank you so much for joining me,
Speaker 3: and that's it for me again. Good to see you
Speaker 3: back from Israel. I'll be here again tomorrow at eight o'clock.
Speaker 3: But right now, here's James Murray. James Morrow, sorry, hosting
Speaker 3: for Paul Murray.