WEBVTT - Sharri | 14 October 0:00:01.639 --> 0:00:06.800 Why on Sky News. This is Sharry. 0:00:07.000 --> 0:00:09.840 Thanks Andrew, good evening, welcome to the program. Good to be. 0:00:09.840 --> 0:00:12.159 Back home with you all in Australia and thanks so 0:00:12.280 --> 0:00:14.920 much for tuning in last week in Israel. It was 0:00:15.040 --> 0:00:17.520 an incredible trip. We'll get to it a bit later 0:00:17.560 --> 0:00:20.800 in the show, but tonight coming up, the Albanezy government 0:00:21.239 --> 0:00:24.160 likened it to a clown show as it falls behind. 0:00:24.280 --> 0:00:27.360 In today's Newspop, I'll look at just how much travel 0:00:27.440 --> 0:00:30.479 Labour's in ahead of the next election. Cameron Milner and 0:00:30.560 --> 0:00:34.920 David Gazzard will be on with their analysis. Channel nine's 0:00:34.960 --> 0:00:38.159 top presenters respond to the news the networks spin doctor 0:00:38.280 --> 0:00:41.599 has been sacked ahead of a review into the company's culture, 0:00:42.040 --> 0:00:46.720 and one star tells me that Vic Buckan was the gatekeeper. 0:00:46.240 --> 0:00:48.040 Who wielded too much power. 0:00:48.680 --> 0:00:52.239 Also tonight, the United Nations facing serious questions on what 0:00:52.400 --> 0:00:56.880 it knew about Hesbeler weapons stockpiled just one hundred. 0:00:56.560 --> 0:00:58.440 Meters from its outpost. 0:00:58.960 --> 0:01:02.880 High profile human rights lawyer Arsenostrowsky will be on the 0:01:02.920 --> 0:01:07.280 show tonight to discuss the UN, how Israel is fighting 0:01:07.400 --> 0:01:11.880 a just war, and the Albanese government's betrayal of Israel. 0:01:12.520 --> 0:01:15.679 Plus with only twenty two days until the American election, 0:01:16.400 --> 0:01:20.120 more threats on Donald Trump's life and calls tonight to 0:01:20.680 --> 0:01:25.240 strengthen his security as a third assassination attempt is foiled, 0:01:26.240 --> 0:01:30.399 but first tonight. Anthony Alberzi has boasted in the past 0:01:30.480 --> 0:01:32.160 that he's never lost a news poll. 0:01:32.560 --> 0:01:34.200 Well, that ends today. 0:01:35.080 --> 0:01:38.280 Just months out from polling day, the prime Minister's re 0:01:38.360 --> 0:01:43.559 election prospects are now looking shaky, with Peter Dutton ahead 0:01:43.560 --> 0:01:47.200 of Albanizi in the polls for the first time. It 0:01:47.360 --> 0:01:51.120 wasn't so long ago now that Albanzi claimed he'd never 0:01:51.240 --> 0:01:52.160 lost a poll. 0:01:53.320 --> 0:01:57.800 Oh, we haven't lost a news poll, unlike every other 0:01:57.880 --> 0:02:03.480 government during every term since since our newspoll started. 0:02:03.520 --> 0:02:08.240 I think words he'll rue today as newspoll shows that 0:02:08.320 --> 0:02:12.160 the Coalition leads Labor on both a primary and two 0:02:12.200 --> 0:02:16.640 party preferred basis. The Coalition's primary is at thirty eight percent, 0:02:17.000 --> 0:02:20.680 while Labour's primary at thirty one and that's lower than 0:02:20.680 --> 0:02:23.640 the thirty two point six percent that they recorded at 0:02:23.680 --> 0:02:26.960 the last election, and as you know, that was already 0:02:27.280 --> 0:02:31.280 historic lows. Then on a two party preferred basis, the 0:02:31.280 --> 0:02:36.040 Coalition now ahead of Labor fifty one to forty nine. Percent, 0:02:36.720 --> 0:02:40.000 and this is because there's been a shift in preference flows. 0:02:40.400 --> 0:02:43.760 It's the first time since the last election that the 0:02:43.760 --> 0:02:47.520 credible polling outfit Newspoll has the Coalition. 0:02:47.080 --> 0:02:47.880 Ahead of Labor. 0:02:48.760 --> 0:02:53.280 Now Labor and PS and insiders are getting nervous, but 0:02:53.440 --> 0:02:57.720 publicly from the Prime Minister down they insisted today that 0:02:57.800 --> 0:02:59.799 there was nothing to see here. 0:03:01.440 --> 0:03:05.760 I'm very focused on continuing to lead a majority government. 0:03:05.919 --> 0:03:08.760 There are obviously news polls where you're doing better than 0:03:08.800 --> 0:03:11.160 other times and others where you're doing less well. 0:03:11.320 --> 0:03:13.160 So we're not focused on the polls because what we're 0:03:13.200 --> 0:03:17.120 focused on is cost of living for ordinary Australia. We're focused, 0:03:17.120 --> 0:03:19.560 we're doing the right thing. It's a very close it's 0:03:19.600 --> 0:03:22.240 a very close poll. There's going to be poles of 0:03:22.320 --> 0:03:26.040 individual seats of the nation all the rest. What we 0:03:26.080 --> 0:03:28.480 know is that when the election comes it'll be a 0:03:28.560 --> 0:03:32.680 choice between our plans for the future or Peter Dutton's 0:03:32.760 --> 0:03:34.000 lack of plans for the future. 0:03:35.440 --> 0:03:39.600 Now, poor polls have been the undoing of several Prime ministers. 0:03:40.160 --> 0:03:43.480 Malcolm Turnbull use the fact that Tony Abbott had lost 0:03:43.520 --> 0:03:47.240 thirty news polls as just cause when he tore his 0:03:47.280 --> 0:03:48.640 Prime ministership down. 0:03:49.760 --> 0:03:52.680 The one thing that is clear about our current situation 0:03:53.360 --> 0:03:57.360 is the trajectory. We have lost thirty news polls in 0:03:57.400 --> 0:04:00.520 a row. It is clear that the people have made 0:04:00.600 --> 0:04:03.520 up their mind about mister Abbot's leadership. 0:04:04.760 --> 0:04:08.320 Then when Turnbull himself lost an equal number of polls, 0:04:08.720 --> 0:04:13.000 that led to concern about his own leadership, and eventually 0:04:13.320 --> 0:04:17.159 Peter Dutton came after him, a leadership coup I broke 0:04:17.279 --> 0:04:20.720 on the front page at the time. Julia Gillard was 0:04:20.760 --> 0:04:23.680 also floundering in the polls when Kevin Rudd came after 0:04:23.760 --> 0:04:27.120 her and seized back the leadership ahead of the September 0:04:27.240 --> 0:04:28.599 twenty thirteen election. 0:04:30.120 --> 0:04:32.640 And the truth is, if we're all being perfectly. 0:04:32.279 --> 0:04:35.000 Honest about it right now, is that we're on course 0:04:35.040 --> 0:04:38.040 for a catastrophic defeat unless there is change. 0:04:39.560 --> 0:04:43.520 But Rud in his second prime ministership didn't perform any better, 0:04:43.839 --> 0:04:48.760 with Tony Abbott winning a landslide fourteen seats, and now 0:04:48.839 --> 0:04:52.640 Albanezi has lost his first poll and it could get 0:04:52.880 --> 0:04:56.080 a lot worse in the next seven months before polling day. 0:04:56.560 --> 0:05:00.200 The momentum has now been in Peter Dutton's favor for 0:05:00.520 --> 0:05:04.920 a year. There are many complicating factors, including the Teals, 0:05:05.000 --> 0:05:10.000 the Greens and those independent Muslim candidates. But it's not 0:05:10.040 --> 0:05:13.279 looking good for alban Ezi now. There was a great 0:05:13.360 --> 0:05:16.960 line in The finn Review today where journalist James Curran 0:05:17.120 --> 0:05:21.360 wrote that Albanezi has always been an excellent party organizer 0:05:21.600 --> 0:05:26.000 and factional leader, but he said that Albanesi's prime ministership 0:05:26.360 --> 0:05:31.720 is defined predominantly by situation politics. He operates in the moment, 0:05:32.279 --> 0:05:34.240 surviving it before. 0:05:34.000 --> 0:05:38.400 Fleeing to the next, and you just can't argue with it. 0:05:38.440 --> 0:05:42.160 Albinizi has a long list of failures over the past year, 0:05:42.839 --> 0:05:45.400 but then it's hard to cite any way in which 0:05:45.440 --> 0:05:50.240 he's actually made our country a better place. Exactly a 0:05:50.360 --> 0:05:54.440 year ago today, there was the failure of the Voice referendum, 0:05:54.720 --> 0:05:58.560 which was meant to be the prime minister's legacy, but 0:05:58.680 --> 0:06:02.520 in fact he personally he turned Australians who initially supported 0:06:02.520 --> 0:06:07.719 the Voice against it by accusing voters of racism and misinformation. 0:06:08.680 --> 0:06:12.359 He is responsible for its failure. He didn't bother to 0:06:12.400 --> 0:06:16.599 find a proposal that would have bipartisan support because he 0:06:16.640 --> 0:06:19.880 didn't want to share the glory when it passed as 0:06:19.920 --> 0:06:24.040 he believed that it would. Then there's the immigration crisis 0:06:24.400 --> 0:06:28.679 where hundreds of criminals were released onto our streets, free 0:06:28.720 --> 0:06:34.440 to allegedly bash grandmothers and reoffend. There's his comprehensive failure 0:06:34.480 --> 0:06:37.880 to deal with anti Semitism, which I've spoken about at length. 0:06:38.400 --> 0:06:41.880 His flawed decision to fast track visas for nearly three 0:06:41.920 --> 0:06:48.240 thousand Garzens, including some with Hamas links. Albinizi is also 0:06:48.320 --> 0:06:52.320 pushing through a highly concerning misinformation bill. He's running a 0:06:52.360 --> 0:06:56.400 big Australia policy that's put pressure on the housing crisis, 0:06:56.760 --> 0:07:01.240 and this is helping to keep inflation persistent. He's cowering 0:07:01.320 --> 0:07:06.359 to China while our defense personnel have faced aggression and 0:07:06.440 --> 0:07:11.600 attacks from Beijing. And in terms of Albanese's management. 0:07:11.120 --> 0:07:13.600 Style, he lacks authority. 0:07:14.240 --> 0:07:17.680 Left wing figure Penny Wong is believed to have more 0:07:17.760 --> 0:07:22.640 command in cabinet than the Prime Minister, and unlike former 0:07:22.680 --> 0:07:27.600 prime ministers Scott Morrison, Tony Abbott, even Turnbull and Kevin Rudd, 0:07:28.240 --> 0:07:32.080 Albanizei doesn't bother to get across policy detail that his 0:07:32.320 --> 0:07:38.080 own government is asking Australians to support. He's either too lazy, 0:07:38.720 --> 0:07:44.160 too disinterested, or simply not bright enough, and then he's 0:07:44.160 --> 0:07:46.760 caught out and left to clean up the mess when 0:07:46.800 --> 0:07:50.160 those very policies that he didn't bother to get across 0:07:50.160 --> 0:07:55.280 cause massive backlash. We saw this with Tanya pleibusex environment 0:07:55.360 --> 0:08:00.800 laws and Andrew Giles's mess in immigration. The problem is 0:08:00.800 --> 0:08:05.640 that Alberonize never believed he'd end up as PM when 0:08:05.640 --> 0:08:09.880 Bill Shorton was Labor Leader. Sure Alberize leaked against him 0:08:10.000 --> 0:08:13.360 and agitated, but he wasn't truly. 0:08:13.360 --> 0:08:15.000 Desperate for the top job. 0:08:15.640 --> 0:08:18.280 If it didn't come, he would have been fine to 0:08:18.360 --> 0:08:22.920 continue leaking away in the media as Infrastructure Minister in 0:08:22.960 --> 0:08:28.200 a Shorten government. So Alberizi hadn't spent his time thinking 0:08:28.320 --> 0:08:32.520 deeply about his vision for Australia if he were Prime Minister. 0:08:33.440 --> 0:08:36.640 It was a surprise to Albo when Shorten lost the 0:08:36.679 --> 0:08:41.560 election and he became the opposition leader. And that's the 0:08:41.720 --> 0:08:44.720 history that has got us to where we are today. 0:08:45.720 --> 0:08:50.880 Alberze's failures as Prime Minister are comprehensive and unforgivable, in 0:08:50.960 --> 0:08:56.880 particular the explosion in racism towards Jews and the lawlessness 0:08:56.920 --> 0:09:01.679 and support for terror that's been largely doned on our streets. 0:09:02.520 --> 0:09:07.520 Albanezi squanders our multicultural success story while Australians are living 0:09:07.640 --> 0:09:09.520 in a prolonged cost of living. 0:09:09.280 --> 0:09:13.280 Crisis, and all the while he has no ground. 0:09:13.040 --> 0:09:17.760 Vision for our country and no command of ministerial briefs. 0:09:21.920 --> 0:09:25.480 Well news today that another senior boss at nine has 0:09:25.520 --> 0:09:29.240 been sacked ahead of a cultural review being released this month. 0:09:29.920 --> 0:09:34.280 Nine's director of Communications and public Relations, Victoria Buchan, was 0:09:34.320 --> 0:09:36.080 today made redundant. 0:09:36.920 --> 0:09:38.160 Now several months ago. 0:09:38.120 --> 0:09:41.840 In May, I broke the story that there were accusations 0:09:41.840 --> 0:09:45.520 from employees at nine that Victoria Buchan, as a nine 0:09:45.640 --> 0:09:49.760 spin doctor, had swept under the rug claims that news 0:09:49.840 --> 0:09:54.720 director Darren Wick had behaved poorly. I reported that Buchan 0:09:54.840 --> 0:09:58.320 had been made aware of several complaints against her long 0:09:58.440 --> 0:10:01.960 term friend Darren Wick, yet he then remained in the 0:10:02.080 --> 0:10:07.040 job for another five years. Here were the allegations made 0:10:07.080 --> 0:10:11.920 against her. Back in May, Victoria Buchan sought to suppress 0:10:11.960 --> 0:10:16.200 the scandal of Wick's inappropriate conduct after the twenty nineteen 0:10:16.400 --> 0:10:20.840 Logis after party. At the function, we've now learned of 0:10:21.000 --> 0:10:27.480 four women who Darren Wick allegedly groped, sexually harassed, or propositioned. 0:10:28.240 --> 0:10:31.320 One on air presenter who was the victim of sexual 0:10:31.360 --> 0:10:35.440 harassment claims that Victoria Buchan rang her in the weeks 0:10:35.480 --> 0:10:39.319 afterwards to ask about the incident, and the presenter claims 0:10:39.320 --> 0:10:44.920 that Buchan, along with another nine female executive, asked if 0:10:44.960 --> 0:10:48.920 she intended to make a formal complaint. Well, like many 0:10:48.960 --> 0:10:51.760 women at nine, she didn't want to lodge a formal 0:10:51.840 --> 0:10:56.240 complaint so that it wouldn't affect her career at progression Now, 0:10:56.320 --> 0:11:01.640 Wick remained in his job, and I also reported that 0:11:01.800 --> 0:11:06.000 Bucken phoned another woman to accuse her of gossiping about 0:11:06.080 --> 0:11:09.920 Darren Wick's behavior from that Logis after party, and Buckan 0:11:09.960 --> 0:11:13.720 allegedly told this woman that his behavior had been dealt 0:11:13.760 --> 0:11:17.360 with now. At the time, Buckan denied those allegations. I 0:11:17.400 --> 0:11:20.040 asked her whether it was correct that over the years 0:11:20.320 --> 0:11:23.560 she had become aware of allegations that Wick had behaved 0:11:23.559 --> 0:11:27.679 inappropriately towards women when intoxicated, and I asked her what 0:11:27.760 --> 0:11:30.880 action she'd taken about this, and whether she was more 0:11:30.920 --> 0:11:34.960 concerned about negative publicity for the network than a duty 0:11:34.960 --> 0:11:36.840 of care to vulnerable women. 0:11:37.760 --> 0:11:38.000 Well. 0:11:38.080 --> 0:11:40.440 Buckan responded at the time to say that she had 0:11:40.480 --> 0:11:43.920 spoken to Wick on a number of occasions about his drinking. 0:11:44.440 --> 0:11:47.160 She said I was aware that Darren Wick was intoxicated 0:11:47.160 --> 0:11:49.680 at the logies. He was spoken to and left the event. 0:11:50.160 --> 0:11:52.240 After the event, I spoke to people who came to 0:11:52.280 --> 0:11:55.560 me about his drinking. I was never at events where 0:11:55.559 --> 0:11:59.000 I was aware of the behavior described as Hansy occurred. 0:11:59.400 --> 0:12:02.640 I didn't recve any internal complaints to deal with or 0:12:02.679 --> 0:12:03.839 external media. 0:12:03.640 --> 0:12:06.080 Queries about such behaviors. 0:12:07.360 --> 0:12:11.559 Now, some presenters at nine have strongly felt that Bucan 0:12:11.800 --> 0:12:15.880 didn't have their best interests at heart, and she's accused 0:12:15.920 --> 0:12:21.040 of helping to plant stories against women during contract negotiations 0:12:21.480 --> 0:12:25.480 as a way of bullying them into submission. One nine 0:12:25.520 --> 0:12:29.679 presenter spoke to me today of her relief at Buckan's departure, 0:12:30.200 --> 0:12:32.920 and she said, and I quote, she was the gatekeeper. 0:12:33.360 --> 0:12:36.600 She wielded way too much power. This will go a 0:12:36.640 --> 0:12:42.080 long way to starting to restore trust. Another nine presenter 0:12:42.120 --> 0:12:45.280 told me she was very close with Darren Wick, so 0:12:45.400 --> 0:12:48.520 it's not at all a surprise that she's leaving, and 0:12:48.559 --> 0:12:54.800 their speculation about who might be next, and the entire 0:12:55.120 --> 0:12:58.119 senior leadership team at nine has now departed. 0:12:58.160 --> 0:12:59.960 I mean you look at who's already gone. 0:13:00.280 --> 0:13:04.839 Peter Costello, Chief executive, Mike sneezebe head of News Darren 0:13:04.880 --> 0:13:09.520 Wick and now Vic Bucken. And this all comes ahead 0:13:09.559 --> 0:13:12.880 of a report into the history of sexual harassment and 0:13:12.920 --> 0:13:15.680 the culture at nine. It's set to be handed down 0:13:15.880 --> 0:13:19.319 by the end of this month, but it's not clear yet. 0:13:19.240 --> 0:13:21.320 Whether it will be made public. 0:13:25.520 --> 0:13:27.320 All right, we're going to come back to that topic, 0:13:27.400 --> 0:13:29.480 come back to Newspoll. We're going to get the latest 0:13:29.520 --> 0:13:32.040 in Israel. So much more to talk about. I'm joined 0:13:32.080 --> 0:13:36.120 now by Sky News host Steve Price and contributer Joe Hildebrand. 0:13:36.280 --> 0:13:40.240 Welcome to you both, evening, Welcome back, Thank you so much. Joe. 0:13:40.600 --> 0:13:42.880 Look, Steve, starting with you, I want to get your 0:13:42.960 --> 0:13:46.680 reaction to news poll Newspoll did for the first time. 0:13:46.800 --> 0:13:49.720 Have Dutton or have the Coalition ahead of Labor today? 0:13:50.120 --> 0:13:53.520 Do you think there is a realistic proposition that Darton 0:13:53.679 --> 0:13:56.680 might win the next election, which has to be held 0:13:57.040 --> 0:13:59.200 sometime in the next seven months. 0:14:01.080 --> 0:14:03.360 Great job in Israel, by the way, outstanding what you 0:14:03.400 --> 0:14:07.920 did last week. Look, I think these polls are really interesting. 0:14:08.000 --> 0:14:12.480 Although the Australian Today, in analyzing it, suggested that much 0:14:12.480 --> 0:14:16.200 of the shift was from minor parties moving around their 0:14:16.240 --> 0:14:19.960 preferences and so you're having some people leaving Labour and 0:14:20.000 --> 0:14:22.680 going to the Greens, and you've got one nation pushing 0:14:22.680 --> 0:14:25.800 their preferences to the Coalition. But I don't think anyone 0:14:25.880 --> 0:14:31.160 who's a very close observer of Australian politics could say 0:14:31.200 --> 0:14:33.480 that there's not a mood for some sort of shift, 0:14:33.680 --> 0:14:35.760 which is a remarkable thing to say when this is 0:14:35.800 --> 0:14:39.000 a one term government. You know that doesn't happen in 0:14:39.000 --> 0:14:41.280 this country, and yet it looks like it will. 0:14:41.480 --> 0:14:42.520 And I think it went to. 0:14:42.480 --> 0:14:45.840 The heart of it there and Joe's not going to 0:14:45.960 --> 0:14:48.080 like this, but it goes to the heart of our 0:14:48.280 --> 0:14:53.640 Anthony Albanezi being weak and Australians don't like weak leaders. 0:14:53.920 --> 0:14:56.880 And when you're in the middle of a potential problem 0:14:56.920 --> 0:14:59.360 with China, you've got the Middle East, you've got a 0:14:59.360 --> 0:15:02.240 housing says you've got to cost a living crisis. Weak 0:15:02.320 --> 0:15:05.200 people don't fix those things. And I'll tell you what 0:15:05.320 --> 0:15:07.880 stood out for me yesterday. Where do you think Peter 0:15:08.000 --> 0:15:11.000 Dutton was yesterday? He was standing on the grid at 0:15:11.040 --> 0:15:14.760 the V eight supercars in Batist and I just think 0:15:14.800 --> 0:15:17.400 that that was him playing to the crowd that he 0:15:17.440 --> 0:15:20.880 believes will turn their vote toward the Coalition, and that's 0:15:20.960 --> 0:15:24.680 working class blue collar Australians who are sick and tired 0:15:25.000 --> 0:15:27.080 of what they're seeing in the supermarket and trying to 0:15:27.080 --> 0:15:28.040 buy their kids a house. 0:15:29.000 --> 0:15:30.440 I want to pick up on what you just said 0:15:30.480 --> 0:15:33.000 there about the Prime Minister looking weak and Steve, I 0:15:33.000 --> 0:15:35.880 think you are absolutely spot on. And this is where 0:15:35.880 --> 0:15:39.040 Peter Dutton's you know, what Labor thought were his negatives, 0:15:39.040 --> 0:15:42.720 that he was unlikable, it has turned to his strength 0:15:42.760 --> 0:15:46.400 because he is looking like a very strong leader compared 0:15:46.400 --> 0:15:49.440 to Albanizi. And it's at a time when we're dealing 0:15:49.480 --> 0:15:53.320 with war and a cost of living crisis that's just prolonged. 0:15:53.400 --> 0:15:53.920 Yeah, that's right. 0:15:53.960 --> 0:15:55.520 I mean there's a couple of things. I don't think 0:15:55.560 --> 0:15:58.040 Anthony Albanese is weak. I think he's a deal maker. 0:15:58.280 --> 0:16:01.800 That's his background. He's a few he's used to, you know, 0:16:01.840 --> 0:16:03.880 bringing parties together and say right, what do we need 0:16:03.920 --> 0:16:06.320 to do to make this problem go away? You shake 0:16:06.400 --> 0:16:08.080 hands and we're going to go and say we're going 0:16:08.080 --> 0:16:09.800 to put out this thing and this is how it's 0:16:09.800 --> 0:16:11.720 going to go down. And that was his role in 0:16:11.760 --> 0:16:14.440 the party. And when you do that, I suppose on 0:16:14.480 --> 0:16:17.840 the national stage, it does run the risk of you 0:16:17.920 --> 0:16:20.320 being seen to be trying to sort of plicate both sides, 0:16:20.320 --> 0:16:22.480 and you might say that, you know, Israel and Palestine 0:16:22.560 --> 0:16:24.200 is a classic example of that, where he's trying to 0:16:24.200 --> 0:16:27.240 sort of say the right thing to both parties and 0:16:27.400 --> 0:16:30.360 both sides to de escalate things, and then both then 0:16:30.440 --> 0:16:32.760 both sides just say, well, you're actually not in my corner, 0:16:32.800 --> 0:16:35.360 so you end up pissing both people off. So you know, 0:16:35.360 --> 0:16:38.040 it's tough being in the middle. In terms of the 0:16:38.040 --> 0:16:42.560 way he runs his cabinet, this you have to understand, obviously, 0:16:42.640 --> 0:16:45.640 is a reaction to the way Kevin Rudd ran the cabinet, 0:16:45.640 --> 0:16:47.600 and he was seen as autocratic. He was seen as 0:16:47.680 --> 0:16:51.160 micro managing his ministers, eventually sidelining them all together with 0:16:51.240 --> 0:16:54.240 the sort of kitchen cabinet of four, which caused that 0:16:54.560 --> 0:16:57.880 ministerial revolt which turned into the end of his prime ministership. 0:16:57.920 --> 0:17:00.000 And so he's trying to run fending. 0:16:59.720 --> 0:17:02.520 In can save God until my next year at least, 0:17:02.520 --> 0:17:03.440 I think, Steve. 0:17:04.040 --> 0:17:09.159 Man, you really seriously think that he's showing himself to 0:17:09.200 --> 0:17:14.439 be a strong leader because he goes around both sides 0:17:14.480 --> 0:17:15.400 of his mouth, But. 0:17:15.359 --> 0:17:19.000 He's a consensus driven He's a consensus driven leader. Lad 0:17:19.040 --> 0:17:19.640 who's just going to. 0:17:19.600 --> 0:17:22.920 Go from strong leadership Joe. 0:17:23.200 --> 0:17:25.000 Easy to be a strong leader when you're in opposition 0:17:25.040 --> 0:17:28.080 and you don't actually have to be an say whatever 0:17:28.119 --> 0:17:29.560 he wants. 0:17:29.200 --> 0:17:30.040 Need to have been there. 0:17:30.480 --> 0:17:33.239 The times maketh the man, and it is easy to 0:17:33.280 --> 0:17:36.119 be a strong prime minister in times of crisis. We 0:17:36.200 --> 0:17:39.919 have seen prime ministers in the past hold impressive press 0:17:39.920 --> 0:17:43.000 conferences with the flags behind them, showing their leadership. 0:17:43.119 --> 0:17:47.159 There is nothing simpler and Alban easy hasn't done it. 0:17:47.200 --> 0:17:48.920 He has failed. And how hard is it to come 0:17:48.920 --> 0:17:53.119 out against terrorism? Seriously, it's the easiest thing anyone can do. 0:17:53.440 --> 0:17:54.679 He hasn't done it. 0:17:55.200 --> 0:17:57.840 Speaking of which, let's now turn to the history of 0:17:57.960 --> 0:18:02.400 prominent restauranteur Our Azbek. Now he's now been charged over 0:18:02.480 --> 0:18:06.240 allegedly holding an anti Semitic sign which had the Nazi 0:18:06.280 --> 0:18:11.240 swastika superimposed over an Israeli flag. But The Australian reports 0:18:11.240 --> 0:18:14.600 today that back in twenty fourteen, the founder of the 0:18:14.640 --> 0:18:19.119 No Bad Restaurants was once questioned by police after waiting 0:18:19.160 --> 0:18:23.159 outside a Bondai synagogue and in his car it was 0:18:23.200 --> 0:18:27.440 found that he had water bomb balloons. Now, I've got 0:18:27.480 --> 0:18:28.919 to say, at the same time and we all know 0:18:29.000 --> 0:18:31.880 that this has happened over the weekend. The bakery cord 0:18:32.000 --> 0:18:35.840 Avner's in Sydney, owned by a jew it was targeted. 0:18:36.040 --> 0:18:39.400 Her must triangles painted on the window. A note under 0:18:39.400 --> 0:18:42.359 the door read be careful, Steve. 0:18:43.040 --> 0:18:45.320 The owner is Jewish. 0:18:45.359 --> 0:18:47.720 He's never said anything about the war, so you can't 0:18:47.760 --> 0:18:51.679 say this is anything other than anti Semitism, and it 0:18:51.760 --> 0:18:52.960 is disgraceful. 0:18:55.600 --> 0:18:58.680 Look, I think the way he handled that was perfect. 0:18:58.200 --> 0:19:01.439 He left those symbols was up on the glass and 0:19:01.480 --> 0:19:04.679 he deliberately did that. And the Jewish community in Sydney 0:19:04.680 --> 0:19:07.480 showed their support. They turned up there and in large 0:19:07.560 --> 0:19:10.400 numbers to have their breakfast, which was a great thing. 0:19:10.680 --> 0:19:13.520 I really get very disturbed by the be careful note 0:19:13.560 --> 0:19:16.600 shoved under the door, just on the allegations about that 0:19:16.640 --> 0:19:20.000 bloke with the Jewish flag, the Israeli flag and the 0:19:20.000 --> 0:19:23.280 swastika on it. What I really get upset about. This 0:19:23.320 --> 0:19:27.840 bloke today has said I'm so sorry. I apologize unreservedly 0:19:27.920 --> 0:19:31.200 for what I did. Mate, you did it. Saying you're 0:19:31.280 --> 0:19:34.800 sorry now has no impact on me, no impact on 0:19:34.840 --> 0:19:38.600 any Jewish Australian at all. You should not have done it. 0:19:39.000 --> 0:19:42.199 And there's a picture of your holding the bloody thing, mate. 0:19:42.320 --> 0:19:45.040 I mean, saying sorry doesn't wash it. 0:19:46.440 --> 0:19:49.640 I didn't realize that showing a swastika on an Israeli 0:19:49.680 --> 0:19:52.960 flag was wrong, but now I've embraced those learnings and 0:19:53.200 --> 0:19:59.040 literally literally off to an ashram in India to contemplate 0:19:59.400 --> 0:20:03.080 my wrongdoings on my own birth. I mean, I think 0:20:03.160 --> 0:20:04.800 that the fact that he said, I'm now going to 0:20:04.880 --> 0:20:08.760 an ashram to dwell on my shortcomings as a human, 0:20:08.800 --> 0:20:12.840 but like that just shows how outrageously self important and 0:20:12.920 --> 0:20:15.920 pretentious this person is. He clearly hasn't had too many 0:20:15.920 --> 0:20:18.800 people telling him is wrong throughout his life. I reckon 0:20:18.960 --> 0:20:23.160 his business is finished right now. Judging by the comments 0:20:23.160 --> 0:20:26.960 his wife made publicly about how he had brought so 0:20:27.080 --> 0:20:29.600 much damage and distribute to it, I wouldn't be surprised 0:20:29.640 --> 0:20:31.880 if his marriage is also over. But I don't want 0:20:31.920 --> 0:20:33.560 to tread him to that personal sphere. But it was 0:20:33.800 --> 0:20:36.560 extraordinary that she came out with such strong language. His 0:20:36.600 --> 0:20:41.560 behavior ten years ago outside of synagogue was just absolutely crazy, 0:20:42.119 --> 0:20:45.679 and his explanation for it just defies consense. It is 0:20:45.720 --> 0:20:49.600 absolutely all over for this guy. Ed on the other hand, 0:20:49.640 --> 0:20:51.439 who I've met a few times, and who is the 0:20:51.520 --> 0:20:55.360 loveliest bloke in the world. The TV chef that's met 0:20:55.480 --> 0:20:59.480 couple all us TV celebrities stick together that But he's 0:20:59.520 --> 0:21:01.119 just a love This guy is a loveless guy. I 0:21:01.200 --> 0:21:03.240 used to see him at seven other places and he's 0:21:03.280 --> 0:21:06.080 the loveless guy off screen as he is on. 0:21:06.280 --> 0:21:08.360 Wish continue to support. 0:21:08.000 --> 0:21:10.199 Guts his guts in actually you know, I mean, I 0:21:10.240 --> 0:21:11.480 know what it's like to be stalked, I know what 0:21:11.480 --> 0:21:13.280 it's like to get a hate mail, and his guts 0:21:13.280 --> 0:21:16.840 in actually standing up and saying you know what, this 0:21:16.880 --> 0:21:17.959 will not stand good. 0:21:18.440 --> 0:21:22.359 So I agree, Let's all continue to buy from Avner's Bakery, 0:21:22.560 --> 0:21:23.520 jew or non chocolate. 0:21:23.600 --> 0:21:26.200 Let's all support it. Yes, Steve, this. 0:21:26.200 --> 0:21:29.960 Bloke in Melbourne has heres A restaurants in Melbourne as well, 0:21:30.359 --> 0:21:33.600 and I'm pleased to say that large numbers of big 0:21:33.640 --> 0:21:37.200 businesses have canceled events that they had planned between now 0:21:37.200 --> 0:21:39.159 and the end of the year at his one of 0:21:39.160 --> 0:21:40.360 his upmarket restaurants. 0:21:40.359 --> 0:21:41.239 They're just not going to go. 0:21:41.320 --> 0:21:43.840 They've pulled out and they've said we're not coming anywhere 0:21:43.880 --> 0:21:46.399 near you, mate. I hope everybody does that. And the 0:21:46.400 --> 0:21:47.520 bloke goes broke. 0:21:47.880 --> 0:21:50.040 Yeap all right, very quickly, before we go, I just 0:21:50.040 --> 0:21:52.720 want to ask you about the departure that we learned today. 0:21:52.800 --> 0:21:55.360 Spoke about it just a moment ago of nine's chief 0:21:55.440 --> 0:21:56.800 spin doctor Vic Bucken. 0:21:57.720 --> 0:21:58.000 Joe. 0:21:58.000 --> 0:22:00.560 There is now going to be pressure from staff inside 0:22:00.640 --> 0:22:04.080 nine for this report to be made public when it is, 0:22:04.400 --> 0:22:08.000 and my understanding is that very top executives do have 0:22:08.040 --> 0:22:09.040 a copy of it already. 0:22:09.640 --> 0:22:09.840 Yeah. 0:22:09.880 --> 0:22:12.439 I mean, I suppose if they don't make the report public, 0:22:12.480 --> 0:22:14.960 they're just repeating their previous mistakes, aren't they, Which is 0:22:14.960 --> 0:22:16.800 that all this happens, but it's all sort of covered 0:22:16.840 --> 0:22:17.439 up and buried. 0:22:17.440 --> 0:22:18.480 It happens in darkness. 0:22:18.960 --> 0:22:21.720 I think they have to. I think that the fact 0:22:21.760 --> 0:22:24.800 that they have basically got rid of everyone from the 0:22:24.880 --> 0:22:26.359 chairman and the CEO down. 0:22:27.160 --> 0:22:28.440 Hi, Victoria, if you're watching. 0:22:28.480 --> 0:22:30.679 I do like Kigbucking, but I like everybody, as you. 0:22:30.720 --> 0:22:31.760 Know you like everyone. 0:22:31.840 --> 0:22:34.840 I know I'm too soft, but I think given that 0:22:34.880 --> 0:22:36.960 you know, she was the one who clear cleaned up 0:22:37.000 --> 0:22:39.320 all their dirty laundry, and you know, to get rid 0:22:39.359 --> 0:22:41.240 of her when she was probably more responsible than anyone 0:22:41.280 --> 0:22:44.240 else for stopping the whole operation from falling apart before 0:22:44.280 --> 0:22:46.200 it did, you could probably debate. 0:22:45.920 --> 0:22:48.040 That there are also, by the way, there are also 0:22:48.119 --> 0:22:51.320 some who say the only departure out of this review 0:22:52.119 --> 0:22:53.720 can't be one woman. 0:22:53.840 --> 0:22:55.720 There are those people who are saying that. 0:22:55.800 --> 0:22:57.480 And by the way, as she just point out that, 0:22:57.520 --> 0:23:00.560 because the report's not public, we actually don't know whether 0:23:00.960 --> 0:23:03.639 vic Buckin's departure has anything to do with the review. 0:23:03.680 --> 0:23:06.880 It could just be a routine redundancy. We are yet 0:23:06.920 --> 0:23:09.680 to see, all right, Joe Hildo Brand, Steve Price. Great 0:23:09.680 --> 0:23:14.120 to see you both now. Today marks one year since 0:23:14.160 --> 0:23:18.440 Australians overwhelmingly voted against the Voice to Parliament and during 0:23:18.480 --> 0:23:22.080 the campaign the Prime Minister accused No campaigners of racism, 0:23:22.280 --> 0:23:26.639 misinformation and being chicken littles. There were millions of dollars 0:23:26.680 --> 0:23:31.200 from corporate Australia supporting the Yes campaign, and yet Australians 0:23:31.200 --> 0:23:37.520 found their own voice and overwhelmingly utterly rejected changing the constitution. 0:23:38.240 --> 0:23:43.000 Not that Albaneze has accepted any responsibility personally for its failure, 0:23:43.240 --> 0:23:46.199 and he blames everyone else, Peter Dutton, the media and 0:23:46.320 --> 0:23:50.960 of course misinformation, and now he wants legislation designed to crack. 0:23:50.800 --> 0:23:52.640 Down on just that. 0:23:53.640 --> 0:23:56.240 Well, a year has gone past and the Albanese government 0:23:56.359 --> 0:24:00.480 has now been accused of failing to prioritize indigenously shoes 0:24:00.920 --> 0:24:04.840 of simply forgetting about Indigenous Australians. It's a point being 0:24:04.840 --> 0:24:09.600 made by Jacenter Price and National's leader David Littlebrout. They're 0:24:09.640 --> 0:24:13.320 calling for a forensic audit of programs and organizations that 0:24:13.400 --> 0:24:17.159 they say aren't improving the lives of Indigenous people, and 0:24:17.280 --> 0:24:21.120 David little Proud joins me. Now, David, welcome to the show. Well, 0:24:21.119 --> 0:24:24.560 a year on from the no vote succeeding at the referendum, 0:24:24.960 --> 0:24:27.880 why do you say that the Albanesi government has abandoned 0:24:28.040 --> 0:24:29.440 Indigenous Australians. 0:24:31.160 --> 0:24:33.879 Well, nothing's happened. Thanks for having me, but nothing's happened. 0:24:33.920 --> 0:24:37.320 We've had twelve months of missed opportunity. We've had twelve 0:24:37.320 --> 0:24:40.760 months and nothing. We actually took a principal position as 0:24:40.840 --> 0:24:44.280 Nationals before everybody else in November last year and said 0:24:44.320 --> 0:24:47.600 that we wouldn't support the Voice before anyone else did, 0:24:48.240 --> 0:24:50.640 because we saw the repeating. 0:24:50.200 --> 0:24:51.000 Mistakes in the past. 0:24:51.040 --> 0:24:53.080 We were going to create another lie of bureaucracy which 0:24:53.119 --> 0:24:56.080 we've had before, which is called atsik it filed those 0:24:56.119 --> 0:24:57.760 that we represent from our lived. 0:24:57.640 --> 0:24:59.080 Experience, we couldn't support it. 0:24:59.400 --> 0:25:03.119 But what we did the very next week after Australians 0:25:03.200 --> 0:25:05.600 voted was that Peter Dutt and I walked into that 0:25:05.640 --> 0:25:08.560 Parliament and we moved two motions. One was for a 0:25:08.600 --> 0:25:12.800 Forrenzic Order of over five billion dollars worth of funding 0:25:12.880 --> 0:25:16.600 from government agencies that go into closing that gap to 0:25:16.680 --> 0:25:19.120 make sure that there is value for money for Australians 0:25:19.960 --> 0:25:23.520 at taxpayers, as well as for a Royal Commission into 0:25:24.080 --> 0:25:28.960 sexual child abuse in Central Australia. Because Australians gave us 0:25:29.040 --> 0:25:32.080 a strong indication they wanted action. They didn't want ideology, 0:25:32.080 --> 0:25:34.440 they wanted to practical reality. They wanted action. And that's 0:25:34.440 --> 0:25:37.200 why I'm back out here in Alice Springs with Jacinta 0:25:37.640 --> 0:25:40.480 listening to elders, understanding the only way to change this 0:25:40.680 --> 0:25:43.439 is to listen to elders and have local solutions, not 0:25:43.600 --> 0:25:47.240 regional national solutions. But this government has been asleep at 0:25:47.240 --> 0:25:49.159 the will Anthony Alberanez. He has washed his hands of 0:25:49.160 --> 0:25:52.159 Indigenous Australias. He's done nothing for twelve months. This is 0:25:52.200 --> 0:25:54.439 a blight on our nation and a blight on him 0:25:54.440 --> 0:25:57.240 as Prime Minister who came saying he was going to 0:25:57.320 --> 0:26:00.880 change the country. But in fact, they only spend four 0:26:00.960 --> 0:26:04.080 hundred and fifty million dollars on dividing us. 0:26:04.920 --> 0:26:06.840 David little Proud, I want to ask you your view 0:26:06.880 --> 0:26:11.040 on this suggestion by one of the Voice architects, Meghan Davis, 0:26:11.080 --> 0:26:15.040 that a misinformation bill would have helped the Voice secure 0:26:15.119 --> 0:26:15.720 a victory. 0:26:18.000 --> 0:26:20.600 It would have silenced people like myself and just In 0:26:20.600 --> 0:26:23.840 an Apple, Genper Price and Warren Mundane. Those two in 0:26:23.880 --> 0:26:28.240 particular led our nation. What the National Party's position was 0:26:28.280 --> 0:26:30.480 to give them the oxygen to do that and to 0:26:30.480 --> 0:26:33.879 give their led experience about why this was repeating the 0:26:33.920 --> 0:26:38.040 mistakes of the past, of more bureaucracy, of attic mark two, 0:26:38.560 --> 0:26:41.840 of letting them be able to say exactly what was 0:26:41.840 --> 0:26:44.639 happening out here in Central Australia where the prime is 0:26:44.640 --> 0:26:49.320 that dares not come. That would have been seen in 0:26:49.400 --> 0:26:52.520 the eyes under this new law as misinformation. You would 0:26:52.560 --> 0:26:54.840 have silenced just In an Apple, jimper Price, and Warren 0:26:54.960 --> 0:26:58.160 Mundine in what country where one hundred and three thousand, 0:26:58.440 --> 0:27:01.359 more than one hundred and three thousands have lost their 0:27:01.400 --> 0:27:04.199 lives defending the very principle of our freedom of speech, 0:27:04.600 --> 0:27:07.199 that their message of their lived experience was going to 0:27:07.200 --> 0:27:10.520 be washed away because the Prime Minister had an idological 0:27:10.600 --> 0:27:13.359 view predicated out a redfern, not out of here in 0:27:13.400 --> 0:27:16.600 central Australia. That's not the Australia that those one hundred 0:27:16.600 --> 0:27:20.119 and three thousand Australians defended. Nor I as a custodian 0:27:20.119 --> 0:27:22.280 of that freedom of speech, want to let go and 0:27:22.320 --> 0:27:25.080 we intend to repeal that bill if it gets through. 0:27:25.960 --> 0:27:29.920 But the reality is is Australians spoke, They spoke loudly, 0:27:30.280 --> 0:27:32.199 and when they do we should respect that. 0:27:32.280 --> 0:27:33.840 We should get on with the job of what they've 0:27:33.960 --> 0:27:34.720 tasked us to do. 0:27:35.200 --> 0:27:37.199 Yeah, it's one of the many examples of how the 0:27:37.240 --> 0:27:40.880 misinformation legislation, as you say, if it goes ahead, could 0:27:40.880 --> 0:27:44.639 be misused for political purposes. Now we see today the 0:27:44.640 --> 0:27:47.399 front page of The Australian the Coalition surge ahead of 0:27:47.440 --> 0:27:49.240 Labour for the first time in news poll. 0:27:49.640 --> 0:27:51.000 What do you think the. 0:27:51.040 --> 0:27:54.359 Chances are now of Peter Dutton being the next Prime Minister? 0:27:56.400 --> 0:27:57.240 Well, I only. 0:27:57.080 --> 0:27:59.400 Hope so, because what we need to do is get 0:27:59.440 --> 0:28:02.200 back to base. We need strong leadership and that's why 0:28:02.320 --> 0:28:04.320 Peter Dutton and I have shown from the voice all 0:28:04.359 --> 0:28:06.800 the way through. But I think it's a reflection of 0:28:06.840 --> 0:28:08.960 what Australians have asked themselves, do. 0:28:08.880 --> 0:28:11.120 They feel safer and do they feel better off. 0:28:10.960 --> 0:28:13.439 After two and a half years of Anthony Albanezy and 0:28:13.440 --> 0:28:15.560 they overwhelming answer that is no, they don't. 0:28:15.800 --> 0:28:16.800 They're paying more. 0:28:17.160 --> 0:28:21.280 We don't feel safer because they've led again with what's 0:28:21.320 --> 0:28:24.159 happening on the streets of Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane. The 0:28:24.240 --> 0:28:27.920 ideology of what's happening in the Middle East permeate here 0:28:28.480 --> 0:28:30.600 into Australia, when what we should do is get back 0:28:30.640 --> 0:28:31.480 to first principles. 0:28:31.520 --> 0:28:32.600 Every Australian should. 0:28:32.359 --> 0:28:36.439 Ask themselves if those terror attacks happened in Australia on 0:28:36.440 --> 0:28:39.120 the seventh of October, that happened in Israel, what would 0:28:39.120 --> 0:28:40.240 they expect. 0:28:39.760 --> 0:28:41.080 The Australian government to do. 0:28:41.480 --> 0:28:46.560 They would expect their government to pursue those terrorist organizations 0:28:46.600 --> 0:28:49.920 to any part of the planet and destroy them to 0:28:50.040 --> 0:28:51.800 keep their people safe. 0:28:52.040 --> 0:28:53.520 That's what Israel has done. 0:28:54.040 --> 0:28:56.160 And when you get to the essence of what's happened 0:28:56.200 --> 0:28:59.479 is we've stood up for those principles of freedom and 0:28:59.640 --> 0:29:02.240 safe and peace loving people that have come to this 0:29:02.320 --> 0:29:05.000 country to escape the Middle East to have that here. 0:29:05.280 --> 0:29:06.920 But then when you get to the cost of living 0:29:06.960 --> 0:29:12.200 crisis about sensible energy policy that'll feed into lower food prices, 0:29:12.400 --> 0:29:15.600 but also sensible immigration policy, not by cutting it, but 0:29:15.720 --> 0:29:18.600 by bringing those determining. We should determine who comes to 0:29:18.640 --> 0:29:20.760 this country, the skills they have, and where we want 0:29:20.800 --> 0:29:23.000 them to live. We've got a housing crisis and we 0:29:23.000 --> 0:29:25.080 should give hope to Australinge they can own a home 0:29:25.120 --> 0:29:27.040 because we're going to bring the best and bryers here 0:29:27.280 --> 0:29:30.160 to solve our problems, not care in a corner like 0:29:30.200 --> 0:29:31.040 Anthony Albernez. 0:29:31.080 --> 0:29:32.400 He's done for two and a half years. 0:29:32.600 --> 0:29:34.880 Yeah, all right, David little Proud, thank you very much 0:29:35.000 --> 0:29:37.480 for joining me today National's Leader on the one year 0:29:37.480 --> 0:29:39.120 anniversary of. 0:29:38.800 --> 0:29:39.880 The Voice defeat. 0:29:40.360 --> 0:29:43.080 Now, after the break, I'll show you extraordinary footage of 0:29:43.200 --> 0:29:48.200 Hezbola weapons and tunnels just meters from United Nations outposts. 0:29:48.200 --> 0:29:52.040 How can the international community possibly defend this? And a 0:29:52.080 --> 0:29:54.680 high profile human rights lawyer would join me to speak 0:29:54.680 --> 0:29:58.480 about this from Israel next, plus a Labor and Peace 0:29:58.520 --> 0:30:04.000 Office viciously andalyzed by Hamas supporters. As anti Semitism continues 0:30:04.120 --> 0:30:07.840 to explode, we'll look at that shocking example, and Cameron 0:30:07.880 --> 0:30:10.160 Milner will be on the show to speak about how 0:30:10.200 --> 0:30:13.920 he thinks the Prime Minister is running a clown show 0:30:14.080 --> 0:30:21.120 for a government. Stay tuned, Welcome back well. Greg Sheridan 0:30:21.240 --> 0:30:24.560 wrote a brilliant column on the weekend where he spoke 0:30:24.560 --> 0:30:28.680 about how Israel is fighting a just and moral war 0:30:28.760 --> 0:30:32.240 and how it needs out support. Sheridan wrote that Penny 0:30:32.240 --> 0:30:36.400 One keeps implying that Israel is breaking into national law 0:30:36.680 --> 0:30:40.560 when all evidence points to the contrary. He writes that 0:30:40.640 --> 0:30:44.840 she fraudulently implies that Israel has prevented the establishment of 0:30:44.880 --> 0:30:48.560 a Palestinian state, even though this isn't the case and 0:30:48.600 --> 0:30:52.680 the UN provided for one seventy seven years ago. Greg 0:30:52.720 --> 0:30:56.640 Sheridan writes it three times since then, Israel has offered 0:30:56.680 --> 0:31:00.440 a Palestinian state on generous terms, only to be met 0:31:00.480 --> 0:31:05.920 by rejection and murderous terrorism. Several times in its short existence, 0:31:06.080 --> 0:31:10.280 Israel has had to fight conventional wars of national survival, 0:31:10.760 --> 0:31:13.920 as in the Yom Kippur War of seventy three, and 0:31:13.960 --> 0:31:18.600 now Iran, five minutes away from possessing nuclear weapons, proclaims 0:31:18.640 --> 0:31:21.680 its sacred mission of wiping Israel off the map while 0:31:21.760 --> 0:31:26.840 organizing terror and missile strikes from every point on Israel's border. 0:31:27.600 --> 0:31:31.520 Now I highly recommend you read Greg Sheridan's brilliance there 0:31:32.280 --> 0:31:35.520 for this comes as evidence has emerged of Hesbela tunnels 0:31:35.560 --> 0:31:40.320 and infrastructure in the close vicinity of the United Nations, 0:31:40.880 --> 0:31:43.440 around one hundred meters or so away from a UN 0:31:43.480 --> 0:31:49.080 peacekeeping observation post. The terrorists were building tunnels, storing weapons, 0:31:49.560 --> 0:31:52.600 and using it as a base to attack Israel. 0:31:52.880 --> 0:31:53.920 Have a look at this vision. 0:32:05.520 --> 0:32:11.160 This is one of seven hundred Hesba drop points, twenty 0:32:11.200 --> 0:32:14.440 five trails in this area three hundred meters from the 0:32:14.480 --> 0:32:18.800 border where Hisbala has built small bases. Really, you see 0:32:18.840 --> 0:32:23.960 here explosive devices, You've got boots, got helmets, all the 0:32:23.960 --> 0:32:27.479 equipment that you need if you are preparing to invade 0:32:27.480 --> 0:32:28.320 the Israeli border. 0:32:30.600 --> 0:32:31.600 It's extraordinary. 0:32:31.720 --> 0:32:34.360 After the Second Lebanon War in two thousand and six, 0:32:34.720 --> 0:32:38.400 the United Nations Resolution seventeen oh one decreed that Hesbela 0:32:38.520 --> 0:32:42.160 needed to stay north of the Lehani River. It also 0:32:42.200 --> 0:32:48.520 needed to demilitarize southern Lebanon. The United Nations never enforced this, never, 0:32:49.160 --> 0:32:52.040 so it's been left to Israel to now deal with. 0:32:52.560 --> 0:32:55.440 And yet the international community call for Israel to stop 0:32:55.520 --> 0:33:00.800 defending and protecting its own citizens and have a ceasefire. Well, 0:33:00.880 --> 0:33:03.360 let's cross now live now to tell Aviv and I'm 0:33:03.400 --> 0:33:06.280 joined by human rights lawyer and senior fellow at the 0:33:06.320 --> 0:33:10.840 Misgav Institute for National Security, Arson Ostrovsky. Arson, thank you 0:33:10.920 --> 0:33:13.160 very much for joining me on the show. I want 0:33:13.200 --> 0:33:16.800 to get your commentary on this. On these Hesbela weapons 0:33:17.080 --> 0:33:20.960 found so close to you and outposts, what were the 0:33:21.080 --> 0:33:23.400 United Nations officials actually doing? 0:33:25.600 --> 0:33:28.600 Look, but you and officials were simply doing nothing. But 0:33:28.640 --> 0:33:30.520 you know, we need to put this in context as well. 0:33:30.520 --> 0:33:33.360 You know, just before coming on air, has Bala terrace 0:33:33.640 --> 0:33:36.240 firing from southern Lebanon right under the noses of the 0:33:36.320 --> 0:33:40.480 uniform soldiers, rain down rockets on central Israel before that 0:33:40.560 --> 0:33:43.880 earlier this morning, and also rain rockets down on northern Israel, 0:33:43.880 --> 0:33:48.640 including Hi. Today, some almost been million or so Istralis 0:33:48.640 --> 0:33:51.200 have been in bomb shelters and in the line of 0:33:51.200 --> 0:33:54.600 fire from Hesbeala rockets. That's about one fifth of the population, 0:33:54.800 --> 0:33:57.440 one fifth of Australia's population. To put this in context, 0:33:57.800 --> 0:33:59.800 it's about five and a bit million people. That is 0:34:00.120 --> 0:34:04.760 the entire population of Sydney. Now we have to understand 0:34:04.800 --> 0:34:07.680 that has Balo is not like the Lashnami. It has 0:34:07.680 --> 0:34:10.360 ballet is a gin, a subtle terrorist organization sworn to 0:34:10.440 --> 0:34:13.080 Israel's destruction, that acts at the behest of the running regime, 0:34:13.400 --> 0:34:18.200 that fired over ten thousand rockets, missiles, suicide drones. Almost 0:34:18.239 --> 0:34:20.279 sixty people have been either murdered or killed in one 0:34:20.320 --> 0:34:23.320 hundred thousand have been displaced from their homes. Australia certainly 0:34:23.320 --> 0:34:26.399 wouldn't put up with us, and quite frankly, nor can 0:34:26.440 --> 0:34:27.879 Israel or any other serve nation. 0:34:28.960 --> 0:34:31.880 Now you know our political situation very well here in 0:34:31.920 --> 0:34:34.400 Australia because you used to live in Australia. 0:34:34.840 --> 0:34:35.000 Well. 0:34:35.080 --> 0:34:39.040 Foreign Minister Penny Wong has claimed that Israel has targeted 0:34:39.520 --> 0:34:43.160 So she's saying Israel is deliberately targeting un personnel. 0:34:44.040 --> 0:34:46.600 That's not what's happening at all, is it? 0:34:49.000 --> 0:34:49.759 No, not at all. 0:34:49.840 --> 0:34:53.400 Quite frankly, that's an outrageous the lie in a gross 0:34:53.440 --> 0:34:57.239 of true Israel is targeting solely has Balah targets, but 0:34:57.320 --> 0:35:00.359 has Balah just like Hamas, is committing a double crime. 0:35:00.400 --> 0:35:05.880 They're embedding themselves in civilian areas including homes, schools, hospitals, mosques, 0:35:06.200 --> 0:35:09.200 whilst using their own people cynically as human shields. Whilst 0:35:09.200 --> 0:35:14.600 in discriminately buying at Israel. No country could possibly tolerate 0:35:14.640 --> 0:35:19.000 this north Israel. So for miss Wong to say that 0:35:19.120 --> 0:35:23.480 Israel is intentionally targeting anyone but terrorist targets is quite 0:35:23.520 --> 0:35:25.400 frankly outrageous and a lie. 0:35:25.600 --> 0:35:26.439 Israel is gone. 0:35:26.600 --> 0:35:29.480 Israel has gone and continues to go as it has 0:35:29.560 --> 0:35:33.520 in Gaza, just as it is now in Levetonto lengths 0:35:33.640 --> 0:35:36.400 not seen in the history of modern warfare, to abide 0:35:36.440 --> 0:35:39.719 by principles of international law and to avoid any harm 0:35:39.800 --> 0:35:41.160 to civilians. 0:35:42.080 --> 0:35:46.480 Arson further evidence overnight that Tehran was in part behind 0:35:46.480 --> 0:35:51.080 the October seven attacks, the IDF discovering documents which suggest 0:35:51.160 --> 0:35:54.719 that around began funding the harmas October seven attack as 0:35:54.760 --> 0:36:00.200 early as twenty twenty one. This shows that ultimately the 0:36:00.200 --> 0:36:03.319 international community, whether they like it or not, is going 0:36:03.360 --> 0:36:06.680 to have to deal with the nuclear weapons program that 0:36:06.760 --> 0:36:07.800 Iran is developing. 0:36:09.239 --> 0:36:13.000 Look, absolutely, Iran is not some kind of passive actor here. 0:36:13.320 --> 0:36:16.440 Iran is the one that is calling the shots. Iran 0:36:16.560 --> 0:36:21.880 is supporting these proxy terrorist groups, including Hasbal and Hamaspertofim. 0:36:21.920 --> 0:36:24.279 By the way, when it's also recognized that designated terror 0:36:24.320 --> 0:36:27.120 groups in Australia, but not only that not only are 0:36:27.120 --> 0:36:32.120 they supplying them with weapons, with training, with funds, with instructions, 0:36:32.320 --> 0:36:35.040 but they also directly are taking as well. They did 0:36:35.040 --> 0:36:37.400 so in April this year by firing with three hundred 0:36:37.400 --> 0:36:40.640 missiles and rockets, and of course just the other week 0:36:40.640 --> 0:36:43.240 when they ran down over one hundred and eighty ballistic missiles, 0:36:43.239 --> 0:36:47.160 setting the entire the entire country into bomb shelter. So 0:36:47.200 --> 0:36:49.839 certainly you know the you know this is you look 0:36:49.880 --> 0:36:51.840 at this like a lack an octopus, and it is 0:36:51.920 --> 0:36:53.360 Iran ahead of the octopus. 0:36:53.840 --> 0:36:56.640 Yeah, indeed, all right, and yet everyone just wants to 0:36:56.640 --> 0:36:58.680 put their head in the sands. They want to cease fire, 0:36:58.719 --> 0:37:00.799 they want to let around contry you to develop the 0:37:00.920 --> 0:37:04.680 nuclear programs. I mean, the Americans, I'm worried more about 0:37:04.680 --> 0:37:07.440 the US election than they are about actually dealing with 0:37:07.520 --> 0:37:09.759 this threat, which is a threat to all of us 0:37:09.840 --> 0:37:13.640 around the world, including in Australia. If God forbid, Iran 0:37:13.719 --> 0:37:17.840 would develop a nuclear bump. All right, Arsenostrowsky, great to 0:37:17.840 --> 0:37:18.760 have you on the show again. 0:37:18.840 --> 0:37:20.160 Thank you now. 0:37:20.200 --> 0:37:24.480 After the break, Labor politician Peter Khalil's Melbourne office vandalized 0:37:24.520 --> 0:37:27.960 by Hamas supporters. Plus why labor is looking more and 0:37:28.040 --> 0:37:31.760 more like a clown show. Cameron Milner with his scathing 0:37:31.840 --> 0:37:36.600 review and concern in Kamala Harris's camp about her inability 0:37:36.680 --> 0:37:41.000 to conduct even friendly interviews. Meanwhile, Trump is begging for 0:37:41.080 --> 0:37:44.560 more security amid a third assassination attempt. 0:37:44.560 --> 0:37:46.399 All of this still coming up. 0:37:50.560 --> 0:37:53.040 Okay, we're going to get to US politics in a moment, 0:37:53.120 --> 0:37:55.200 but now let's bring in former chief of staff to 0:37:55.239 --> 0:37:59.880 Bill Shorten, Cameron Milner, and former Howard advisor David Gazzar. 0:38:00.000 --> 0:38:04.040 And welcome to you both, And by Carmeron Milner, you 0:38:04.480 --> 0:38:08.160 have written another scathing piece on the Albanezy government. You're 0:38:08.200 --> 0:38:11.960 comparing the Prime Minister and labor to a circus. You 0:38:12.040 --> 0:38:15.200 write that we are led through another election campaign with 0:38:15.440 --> 0:38:19.320 Albow leading a clown show, firmly in his own image. 0:38:19.600 --> 0:38:22.800 You wonder what did Labor voters do to deserve this? 0:38:23.000 --> 0:38:26.960 So Cameron, talk us through why you're saying that this 0:38:27.040 --> 0:38:30.439 government is basically a circus and a clown show. 0:38:32.400 --> 0:38:34.520 Well, just look at how bad they are, Shari. I mean, 0:38:34.520 --> 0:38:36.880 if you didn't know good cry, you have to laugh. 0:38:36.920 --> 0:38:39.360 And just how bad they are and how Albo this 0:38:39.480 --> 0:38:41.480 hit the helm of this He's running a three ring 0:38:41.560 --> 0:38:45.640 circus and he's the chief clown, chief clown. It's terrible, Shari. 0:38:45.640 --> 0:38:46.239 It's terrible for. 0:38:46.280 --> 0:38:49.000 Labor voters, terrible for Labour people to see just how 0:38:49.040 --> 0:38:52.200 bad this government really is. And you see Albow out there. 0:38:52.280 --> 0:38:54.360 You know, there's happy Albow when he's getting free tickets 0:38:54.360 --> 0:38:56.920 from Tato. This sad Albow when his voice didn't get up. 0:38:57.040 --> 0:39:00.120 Sixty percent of Australians voted down and it's part time Albow. 0:39:00.440 --> 0:39:03.080 He turned up for three days, so Parliament's that for 0:39:03.080 --> 0:39:04.600 three days. He turned up for one and a half 0:39:04.719 --> 0:39:07.760 days in a whole month. What a joke, what a face, 0:39:07.800 --> 0:39:09.040 what a circus. 0:39:10.239 --> 0:39:12.680 David Gazarre, we're seeing Newspole. We've been talking about it 0:39:12.719 --> 0:39:15.520 on the show tonight. You know, Newspoll. Coalition ahead for 0:39:15.560 --> 0:39:17.320 the first time, David Gazard. 0:39:17.760 --> 0:39:20.680 Do you think voters across. 0:39:20.280 --> 0:39:23.640 Australia are starting to see what the Prime Minister's like? 0:39:24.960 --> 0:39:27.200 Well, I think that's you know, there's no doubt about that. 0:39:27.400 --> 0:39:29.920 And that's been happening now for the last twelve months. 0:39:30.600 --> 0:39:34.160 Until we see the combination of that today with news 0:39:34.160 --> 0:39:39.240 poll where finally the polls across so the coalition leads 0:39:39.280 --> 0:39:43.760 on a two pp basis that unleashes all the animal 0:39:43.760 --> 0:39:46.160 spirits of politics when that occurs. I've been in that 0:39:46.239 --> 0:39:50.520 situation myself where it's gone against the government which I 0:39:50.600 --> 0:39:53.800 work for with John Howard. It is tough to get back, 0:39:54.280 --> 0:39:57.160 and as Cameron notes, there is no sign that this 0:39:57.280 --> 0:40:02.600 administration is capable of pulling that back. The government looks 0:40:02.600 --> 0:40:07.480 adrift and every time Anthony Elbanezi pops up, it's sort 0:40:07.520 --> 0:40:11.399 of selling a message that the electric aren't interested in 0:40:12.440 --> 0:40:15.759 and that sort of cuts against their chief concern of 0:40:15.800 --> 0:40:16.480 cost of living. 0:40:17.800 --> 0:40:20.520 And we're not seeing much from the Prime Minister, are 0:40:20.560 --> 0:40:21.560 we on cost of living? 0:40:21.680 --> 0:40:22.120 Cameron? 0:40:24.400 --> 0:40:26.360 No, And it's been an anis horribulous for him, and 0:40:26.480 --> 0:40:28.520 he started by losing the voice and now he's losing 0:40:28.520 --> 0:40:30.920 the vote. Shari, I mean, this guy doesn't have a 0:40:30.960 --> 0:40:32.719 clue how to lead his way out of a wet 0:40:32.719 --> 0:40:36.240 paper bag, let alone deal with the cost of living issue. 0:40:36.520 --> 0:40:39.839 He's off frolicking around the world on lobsters rather than 0:40:39.880 --> 0:40:43.520 dealing with bread and butter family table issues which Australians 0:40:43.520 --> 0:40:45.719 are crying out for leadership on. So that's why he's 0:40:45.719 --> 0:40:48.040 so down in the polls. I'm sure his poll bounced 0:40:48.040 --> 0:40:50.440 around a bit, David, but I think the trend is 0:40:50.640 --> 0:40:53.439 Dutton's friend and it's all bad and all one way 0:40:53.440 --> 0:40:54.280 traffic for labor. 0:40:55.120 --> 0:40:57.560 Cameron, I've got to remind everyone at home that you 0:40:57.719 --> 0:41:01.480 are a labor insider. You were state director in Queensland, 0:41:01.520 --> 0:41:02.720 Bill Shotton's chief of staff. 0:41:02.760 --> 0:41:04.200 I just want to quickly ask you. 0:41:04.560 --> 0:41:07.279 Isn't your sense that there are some labor and pace 0:41:07.360 --> 0:41:10.480 getting nervous about the next election and Albo's leadership. 0:41:12.560 --> 0:41:16.320 And not only Labor MPs. There are rank and file members, 0:41:16.360 --> 0:41:19.440 there are union leaders. There are greats like Paul Keating 0:41:19.440 --> 0:41:22.319 and Bill Kelty or calling this out. I mean this 0:41:22.400 --> 0:41:25.800 is not unique. Labour people are desperately worried that labor 0:41:25.920 --> 0:41:28.080 first term government is going to be flushed down the 0:41:28.080 --> 0:41:30.239 toilet because of what's being done here. 0:41:30.600 --> 0:41:33.240 Yeah, yeah, all right, let's have a look at Labor 0:41:33.360 --> 0:41:36.759 MPP to Khalil, he's a federal MP. He's become the 0:41:36.840 --> 0:41:40.960 latest target of a vicious vandal attack by Hamas supporters. 0:41:41.160 --> 0:41:43.640 His Melbourne office has actually been spray painted with that 0:41:44.080 --> 0:41:48.480 inverted red triangle dowsed in an unknown substance. It's said 0:41:48.480 --> 0:41:54.160 to have a horrific stench. David Gazard. Peter Khalil isn't Jewish, 0:41:54.200 --> 0:41:58.239 but he has been a moderate voice of reason and 0:41:58.560 --> 0:42:00.640 this is how he's targeted. 0:42:02.560 --> 0:42:05.840 And he also occupies the seat of Wills, which the 0:42:06.560 --> 0:42:09.640 Greens would like to dearly win off the Labor Party, 0:42:10.600 --> 0:42:13.360 and the Greens have been very very strident in there 0:42:13.400 --> 0:42:17.520 in their cause to support Hamas and Hesbalah and have 0:42:17.640 --> 0:42:23.080 been very very anti Israel. That that's all fine, you 0:42:23.080 --> 0:42:25.319 can have your views, but what we're seeing here is 0:42:25.320 --> 0:42:29.680 a breakdown of law and order. There are there are 0:42:29.680 --> 0:42:33.040 cries for ethnic cleansing and genocide in Australia's streets now 0:42:33.520 --> 0:42:38.000 brought in by people under our immigration policies, a far 0:42:38.120 --> 0:42:42.319 cry from sort of the the country we know and love, 0:42:42.360 --> 0:42:46.160 and I think most Australians would be puzzled, concerned and 0:42:46.200 --> 0:42:50.320 worried about that. But we're now bumping up against the 0:42:50.640 --> 0:42:52.600 obligation of people to abide. 0:42:52.280 --> 0:42:53.840 By the rule of law. 0:42:54.920 --> 0:42:59.640 This is vandalism, it's intimidation and it's time for the 0:42:59.680 --> 0:43:02.920 police force to act on it. It's just simply not 0:43:03.000 --> 0:43:05.680 good enough that a member of Parliament is sort of 0:43:05.719 --> 0:43:10.239 being bullied and his offers vandalized and there's never there's 0:43:10.280 --> 0:43:12.399 never any action against the perpetrators. 0:43:12.840 --> 0:43:16.120 Well, you know, if there have been arrests for this 0:43:16.239 --> 0:43:17.840 kind of behavior, because we've seen a lot of it 0:43:17.880 --> 0:43:21.480 now against MP's officers, then we're not hearing about those arrests. 0:43:21.719 --> 0:43:22.080 Cameron. 0:43:22.160 --> 0:43:23.960 What worries me is this when you look at the 0:43:24.000 --> 0:43:26.840 news websites today, it's just another news article as if 0:43:26.880 --> 0:43:30.560 it's perfectly normal that a politician's office should be targeted. 0:43:30.920 --> 0:43:37.600 It is intimidation, like David said, and it is scary, and. 0:43:37.560 --> 0:43:39.080 I couldn't agree more with David. I mean, I think 0:43:39.120 --> 0:43:41.200 we're at a juncture point in society. I mean, for 0:43:41.239 --> 0:43:44.600 goodness sake, the red triangle is a Hamas terrorist symbol. 0:43:44.840 --> 0:43:47.920 Play and simple, plain and simple. It's appearing on MP's doors, 0:43:47.920 --> 0:43:50.880 it's appearing on our Federal Parliament, it's appearing on professor's 0:43:50.920 --> 0:43:55.080 doors and universities. And yet Albo and everyone is let's 0:43:55.080 --> 0:43:57.680 all slide, let's all go through, doesn't want to call 0:43:57.719 --> 0:43:59.680 it out. It needs to be called out, and we 0:43:59.719 --> 0:44:01.560 need to hall terrorism for what it is, and we 0:44:01.600 --> 0:44:04.080 need to call out these people and detain them if 0:44:04.120 --> 0:44:04.839 we need to be. 0:44:05.040 --> 0:44:06.880 To port them exactly. 0:44:06.920 --> 0:44:09.799 And by the way, David Khalil is the envoy for 0:44:09.920 --> 0:44:13.280 Social cohesion in the federal government, and like I said, 0:44:13.360 --> 0:44:15.239 he is a sensible. 0:44:15.040 --> 0:44:17.280 And moderate voice. He's one of the good guys. 0:44:18.400 --> 0:44:21.200 All right, Cara Milna, David Gazzard, appreciate both of your 0:44:21.200 --> 0:44:24.200 thoughts tonight, and we'll check out your piece Cameron on 0:44:24.239 --> 0:44:27.800 the Nightly. Now still to come, a third assassination attempt 0:44:27.880 --> 0:44:31.960 on Donald Trump's life raises questions about his security. 0:44:32.000 --> 0:44:34.520 Why does he have to beg for more security? I 0:44:34.560 --> 0:44:38.040 have more on that next, Plus Kamala Harris caught out. 0:44:37.680 --> 0:44:42.200 In friendly interviews and sixty minutes faces accusations that it 0:44:42.440 --> 0:44:44.040 may have protected the VP. 0:44:44.440 --> 0:44:46.640 All of that coming up after this quick break. 0:44:50.680 --> 0:44:52.879 All right, let's turn to the United States now, where 0:44:52.920 --> 0:44:57.200 police have thwarted a third assassination attempt on Donald Trump. 0:44:57.520 --> 0:45:00.560 Van Miller was arrested by local police outside a Trump 0:45:00.680 --> 0:45:04.319 rally in California. He was caught allegedly trying to enter 0:45:04.360 --> 0:45:07.720 with loaded guns and a fake press pass. Let's bringing 0:45:07.760 --> 0:45:11.400 now Sky News contributed Kosher Gata Kosher. He has denied 0:45:11.440 --> 0:45:14.560 he was planning any assassination attempt. But I think the 0:45:14.640 --> 0:45:17.719 main issue here that Trump has been asking just for 0:45:17.760 --> 0:45:20.640 the same level of security as Joe Biden, and given 0:45:20.640 --> 0:45:24.719 they have now been three attempts on his life, surely 0:45:24.960 --> 0:45:31.480 this is the responsibility to give him maximum security. 0:45:31.640 --> 0:45:35.480 Yes, as you mentioned, there are some conflicting reports about this. 0:45:35.640 --> 0:45:39.640 The sheriff who apprehended him or his team is on 0:45:39.719 --> 0:45:41.759 record saying they believe that they did foil a third 0:45:41.760 --> 0:45:44.719 assassination attempt. The Secret Service and the FBI put out 0:45:44.760 --> 0:45:47.160 a statement a short time ago saying they don't believe 0:45:47.160 --> 0:45:50.840 it was an assassination attempt because this person was apprehended 0:45:50.880 --> 0:45:54.120 without incident. But you're absolutely right about the macro picture. 0:45:54.239 --> 0:45:56.960 I will say, on the positive side, you can see 0:45:56.960 --> 0:45:59.360 a little bit of an improvement from Butler, where he 0:45:59.400 --> 0:46:02.440 was within millions of his life to at the golf 0:46:02.480 --> 0:46:05.080 course where the Secret Service apprehended and somebody who breached 0:46:05.080 --> 0:46:07.480 the perimeter, and then here this person was at least 0:46:07.760 --> 0:46:10.759 taken out before he came into the perimeter. But yeah, 0:46:10.800 --> 0:46:15.040 I mean, this does not give people confidence broadly speaking, 0:46:15.120 --> 0:46:17.680 because we've never had three attempts. The last time we've 0:46:17.680 --> 0:46:19.600 had an attempt on a president was forty years ago 0:46:19.600 --> 0:46:22.879 for Ronald Reagan. And it's a reminder of how high 0:46:22.880 --> 0:46:25.200 the stakes are in this election, and they should be 0:46:25.239 --> 0:46:27.880 doing everything in the book at the security around Trump, 0:46:27.880 --> 0:46:29.920 and I'm not sure people are confident that that's happening. 0:46:30.120 --> 0:46:30.759 Absolutely. 0:46:31.080 --> 0:46:33.520 I think there are serious concerns that there might be 0:46:33.560 --> 0:46:35.760 another attempt in the next twenty two days. 0:46:36.120 --> 0:46:36.400 Now. 0:46:36.640 --> 0:46:40.360 CBS News facing calls to release the full unedited transcript 0:46:40.440 --> 0:46:43.319 of its sixty minutes interview with Kamala Harris after it 0:46:43.360 --> 0:46:46.360 aired two different answers have a look. 0:46:48.000 --> 0:46:52.120 But it seems that Prime Minister Netanya who is not listening. 0:46:52.480 --> 0:46:56.040 We're not going to stop pursuing what is necessary for 0:46:56.080 --> 0:46:58.320 the United States to be clear about where we stand 0:46:58.360 --> 0:47:01.720 on the need for this ward end Kosha. 0:47:01.960 --> 0:47:05.240 Her original answer was reportedly much longer. 0:47:10.040 --> 0:47:12.960 Yes, it was. And I think CBS has found itself 0:47:12.960 --> 0:47:15.839 in a little bit of a firestorm here because they 0:47:16.000 --> 0:47:18.920 as of this hour have refused to release the full 0:47:19.040 --> 0:47:22.640 unedited transcript and there is precedent of that. They've done 0:47:22.640 --> 0:47:25.920 it before with other candidates, including Trump when they interviewed 0:47:26.000 --> 0:47:28.560 him last time in twenty twenty, but they don't do it, 0:47:28.760 --> 0:47:31.920 and it does, I think call into question their journalistic 0:47:31.960 --> 0:47:34.759 standards a little bit, and it doesn't help come. I 0:47:34.760 --> 0:47:38.560 think because she has this perception. She's created this perception 0:47:38.600 --> 0:47:41.560 where she's sort of the stage managed candidate and only 0:47:41.560 --> 0:47:45.080 does friendly media. It's always highly produced and she doesn't 0:47:45.080 --> 0:47:48.279 step into adversarial press pools or do any sort of 0:47:48.280 --> 0:47:50.440 press conferences. So I don't think this is actually helping 0:47:50.480 --> 0:47:53.120 her shake that image. It's just going to reinforce it. 0:47:53.800 --> 0:47:56.719 Yeah, and as you mentioned, you know, even in friendly interviews, 0:47:56.760 --> 0:47:59.719 she has been accused of struggling with those. There was 0:47:59.760 --> 0:48:02.400 this example. You might have seen this already, but if not, 0:48:02.480 --> 0:48:06.440 here it is where she was on the view If anything, 0:48:08.320 --> 0:48:11.879 would you have done something differently than President Biden during 0:48:11.920 --> 0:48:13.000 the past four years? 0:48:14.480 --> 0:48:17.600 There is done a thing that comes to mind and 0:48:17.680 --> 0:48:18.239 kosher here. 0:48:18.280 --> 0:48:21.080 Of course, the issue is that, you know, what is 0:48:21.120 --> 0:48:26.120 the difference between her between what she's offering as potential 0:48:26.120 --> 0:48:27.799 president and the Biden administration. 0:48:27.840 --> 0:48:29.840 How can she not answer that softball question? 0:48:32.040 --> 0:48:34.880 Yes, that is the one question that she should be 0:48:34.920 --> 0:48:37.799 prepared for. Everybody gets that question when you're running as 0:48:37.840 --> 0:48:40.200 the VP, the second in command, coming in at a 0:48:40.239 --> 0:48:42.920 time when the majority of the country thinks the country 0:48:43.000 --> 0:48:45.200 is on the wrong track. They're not happy with the 0:48:45.239 --> 0:48:47.960 results in the performance of the country under the previous administration. 0:48:48.480 --> 0:48:51.120 She absolutely should know that the answer to that question, 0:48:51.160 --> 0:48:52.800 and it was quite stunning when you think about it, 0:48:52.840 --> 0:48:55.080 where it just sounded like it didn't even occur to 0:48:55.120 --> 0:48:57.080 her and she just on the fly was saying, oh, well, 0:48:57.120 --> 0:49:00.000 nothing comes to mind. And it was a huge miss 0:49:00.040 --> 0:49:02.879 opportunity by her, and the Trump campaign wasted no time 0:49:02.920 --> 0:49:04.799 turning it into an ad where they just play that 0:49:05.040 --> 0:49:07.879 on loop with Donald Trump's voice saying I'm Donald Trump. 0:49:07.880 --> 0:49:09.960 Improved this message. Yeah. 0:49:10.000 --> 0:49:13.960 Look, and there are concerns among the Democrat Party, definitely 0:49:14.040 --> 0:49:17.440 the Democrat media that she might be losing momentum as well, 0:49:18.480 --> 0:49:22.120 given she hasn't managed to outline any vision for what 0:49:22.200 --> 0:49:23.480 her presidency would look like. 0:49:25.920 --> 0:49:28.719 Yes, I think all the poll is tightening. There's been 0:49:28.800 --> 0:49:31.560 leaks of internal polls, which is the really good stuff, 0:49:31.600 --> 0:49:35.080 the professional pollsters that the campaigns pay and commission. They're 0:49:35.160 --> 0:49:37.160 much better quality polls than the public stuff that we 0:49:37.200 --> 0:49:40.200 see on the outside. And it's definitely tightening. The fact 0:49:40.239 --> 0:49:42.560 that she's doing this media blitz, which is a departure 0:49:42.600 --> 0:49:44.440 from where she started her campaign, I think is a 0:49:44.480 --> 0:49:47.080 signal about that. But I still say, don't be fooled. 0:49:47.200 --> 0:49:50.440 This is a very very tight race, and notwithstanding all 0:49:50.440 --> 0:49:52.640 of that, it could honestly go either way. 0:49:53.040 --> 0:49:55.799 Yeah, we'll follow it closely over the next few weeks. 0:49:55.800 --> 0:49:58.160 All right, Kosha Dada, thank you so much for joining me, 0:49:58.840 --> 0:50:00.920 and that's it for me again. Good to see you 0:50:01.120 --> 0:50:04.280 back from Israel. I'll be here again tomorrow at eight o'clock. 0:50:04.360 --> 0:50:08.200 But right now, here's James Murray. 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