Speaker 1: On scorn leads Australia.
Speaker 2: This is the reader Panae Show.
Speaker 3: Good evening and welcome to the Rita Panahe Show. I'm
Speaker 3: Danikiti Giorgio coming up tonight. The Chinese warships re enter
Speaker 3: Australian waters days after passenger jets were rerooted due to
Speaker 3: live fire drills. Reform UK leader Nigel Faraj is now
Speaker 3: the most favorable leader in Britain. Darren Grimes will take
Speaker 3: us through the latest poll. Bartia Ungasagan on Donald Trump
Speaker 3: surprising a White House tour group and of course Lefty
Speaker 3: is losing it as we say so long. Farewell to
Speaker 3: the Chief Blude herself, Joy Reid, who's recorded her last
Speaker 3: ever show on MSNBC.
Speaker 4: How do you resist when fascism isn't just coming, It's
Speaker 4: already here.
Speaker 3: Enjoining me now is Sky News contributor Peru mcsweden. Prue.
Speaker 3: Great to see you as always. Let's start with this
Speaker 3: Chinese warship saga, because now we find out today they're
Speaker 3: back again. Three Chinese warships have re entered Australia's Exclusive
Speaker 3: Economic Zone after recently completing live fire exercises in the
Speaker 3: Tasman Sea, and most concerningly. Now, pro we've got a
Speaker 3: situation where the chief of the Defense Force has come
Speaker 3: out saying that a nuclear submarine may actually be lurking
Speaker 3: below the surface attached to the trio of Chinese warships. Pro. Look,
Speaker 3: they're undeterred, clearly. I mean this has now been going
Speaker 3: on for days. The Prime Minister's opted for his handsome
Speaker 3: boy from Australia approach. Nothing to see here, Everything is okay,
Speaker 3: I mean, no wonder they keep coming back.
Speaker 5: Exactly and they're making a statement you know, we know
Speaker 5: that there, which is surprising because they would rather have
Speaker 5: Albanisi sitting in the Prime Minister's chair than Dunton clearly,
Speaker 5: but they're still making a statement not only to Australia
Speaker 5: but the world that they have every intention of dominating
Speaker 5: this area.
Speaker 6: And proving that they can.
Speaker 5: I mean, we have an open door policy, see clearly
Speaker 5: because we and you have to blame successive governments for this.
Speaker 5: It's been a lackadaisical you know, Shelby right, mate, We've allocated.
Speaker 6: No defense funding and kept up with the rest of
Speaker 6: the world.
Speaker 5: And we can't rely on America anymore because America may
Speaker 5: not necessarily come and bowl us out, and Trump's telling
Speaker 5: Europe and the whole world really that they are responsible
Speaker 5: for looking after their own defense and we aren't. We
Speaker 5: have always said we'll just park that and go awate
Speaker 5: our money on a million other things, you know, funding
Speaker 5: activists or whatever it may be. And so we're in
Speaker 5: this situation now where we're defenseless. Jackie Lambe said, we
Speaker 5: you know, we really are so vulnerable, which we all
Speaker 5: know we are, and China's just thumbing their nose.
Speaker 3: Well, but I mean this has happened multiple times with
Speaker 3: you know, there's been a multiple diplomatic incidents, the sonar incident,
Speaker 3: the fighter jets, and every time it's happened, Anthony Aberze
Speaker 3: has gone, oh, this is unprofessional and unacceptable. No one.
Speaker 3: I mean, Beijing's not scared of Anthony Albnizi. Beijing loves
Speaker 3: Anthony Albanezi because they love his approach on things.
Speaker 6: And he's being an apologist for them.
Speaker 5: Look, he's been even accused of lying that he said
Speaker 5: that the government had been tipped off about this live file.
Speaker 6: When the ADF chief said they hadn't.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so you know, the man is an apologist making
Speaker 5: excuses for China, and.
Speaker 3: We are all being punished for it. Now, look, let's
Speaker 3: move on. I want to talk about the mud slinging
Speaker 3: that we're seeing playing out politically, and it's not even
Speaker 3: the start of campaign proper yet. Labor is continuing to
Speaker 3: question Peter Dutton's share trades and this dates back to
Speaker 3: the global financial crisis. We're talking two thousand and nine. Now.
Speaker 3: Dutton has responded today saying he has no assets held
Speaker 3: in a private trust and has been forced to come
Speaker 3: out and defend his wealth prou Look, we're in for
Speaker 3: a nasty campaign where when you've got Labor really grappling
Speaker 3: at straws here and it's not even the start of
Speaker 3: campaign proper yet.
Speaker 6: Oh look, is that all they've got?
Speaker 5: And we know it is basically that they are so
Speaker 5: terrified of Dutton, and rightly so, because their focus groups
Speaker 5: are telling them that he's cutting through.
Speaker 6: And what I don't quite understand with Labor is surely
Speaker 6: these boffins who.
Speaker 5: Have paid so much money in the Prime Minister's office
Speaker 5: are not saying, mate, this is dangerous. We've got to
Speaker 5: come out with more policies and not just this medi
Speaker 5: scare thing, you know, where you know everybody can see
Speaker 5: through it.
Speaker 6: It's not even in the budget. It's forward thinking, you.
Speaker 5: Know, forward books, and you sort of think Dutton's played
Speaker 5: them by announcing and matching and in fact exceeding.
Speaker 6: And they're terrified of him.
Speaker 5: But the fact that Dutton has been so successful financially
Speaker 5: makes me feel confident that we're in the hands of
Speaker 5: someone who is a commercial animal. He made his money
Speaker 5: in the outside world, not through the bureaucracy as a
Speaker 5: public servant, which is what Alban EASi has done. So
Speaker 5: we should all be grateful that it's going to be
Speaker 5: in a safe pair of hands. And how facile and
Speaker 5: immature and pathetic is Labor if they're going to start
Speaker 5: this dirt because I believe the Australian public's had enough
Speaker 5: of it.
Speaker 3: I think so too, And you're right. I think you
Speaker 3: make a really good point. This has all got to
Speaker 3: do with the fact that they're just spending like crazy
Speaker 3: at the moment. They never expected that Peter Dutton was
Speaker 3: going to come out and outbid their Medicare announcement and
Speaker 3: they have nothing to go on, so clearly they are
Speaker 3: completely grappling at straw. I think that's such a good point. Now,
Speaker 3: let's talk about Trump's tariff's. Australia is said to be
Speaker 3: spared from Trump's reciprocal tariff crackdown, with the president's top
Speaker 3: economic advisor also offering the alb and Easy government a
Speaker 3: glimmer of hope of sorts to avoid duties on steel
Speaker 3: and aluminium exports to the US. Now. The Treasurer Jim
Speaker 3: Chalmers hailed his talks in Washington, d C. With his
Speaker 3: American counterparts as productive and constructive, declaring he had no
Speaker 3: reason to believe the US was no longer a reliable
Speaker 3: partner for Australia. Look, I'm interested in your take on
Speaker 3: this prew about how Australia goes about it. I mean,
Speaker 3: I don't think that labor is certainly strong enough to
Speaker 3: navigate these issues. But can Jim Chalmers really be the
Speaker 3: one to talk constructively with the US on the.
Speaker 5: Well, you can just imagine Trump saying to his blokes, oh,
Speaker 5: humor him. You know he would consider Chalmers, alban Easy
Speaker 5: lightweights and certainly rud too, And so I don't think
Speaker 5: he's going to play any favors. He would be cognizant
Speaker 5: that there's election coming up and he will want.
Speaker 6: Dutton to win.
Speaker 5: So I actually believe that Trump will play with their
Speaker 5: little mouse, the big cat, and not give anything until
Speaker 5: Dutton gets in, and then the big boys will be
Speaker 5: sitting at the table negotiating. I'm sure that in the
Speaker 5: end we will probably be okay. Trump will probably want
Speaker 5: to negotiate something extra out of us, that's the deal.
Speaker 5: And frankly, we have to play with the big boys
Speaker 5: these days and not be these whinging little whimps that
Speaker 5: we seem to have been, particularly during the alban Easy year.
Speaker 3: Well clearly, I mean Albo is so weak, isn't he.
Speaker 3: I mean Donald Trump would walk all over him, absolutely,
Speaker 3: so I think you make a good point. Now this
Speaker 3: story has popped its head up again. Senator Linda Reynolds
Speaker 3: has walked out of Senate Estimates after a clash with
Speaker 3: Finance Minister Katie Gallagher over the Britney Higgins saga. Now,
Speaker 3: Miss Reynolds is going to be retiring from politics at
Speaker 3: the upcoming election, but used what's likely to be her
Speaker 3: last Senate Estimates appearance to ask for an apology from
Speaker 3: Miss Gallagher over past questioning on her knowledge of Miss
Speaker 3: Higgins's rape allegations. Here's how it transpired.
Speaker 7: Will you now apologize not just to me, but to
Speaker 7: my staff and my family for all of the damage
Speaker 7: that has been wrought on them by you and by
Speaker 7: others in the Labor Party.
Speaker 8: I am sorry, but I and I've gone back and
Speaker 8: had a look at the questions I've asked. I believe
Speaker 8: the questions I ask in my role when you're a
Speaker 8: minisinster and accountable for what happened in your office, were reasonable.
Speaker 8: We asked questions about an alleged sexual assault in this building.
Speaker 3: So that's a no. Thank you, sir, Thank you. Minister.
Speaker 8: Well that's your editorializing Reynolds.
Speaker 9: That is nice.
Speaker 3: Do you anologize the staff theory telling the staff of
Speaker 3: Senator Renolds?
Speaker 8: Senator McGrath, you are an alleged because it happened.
Speaker 3: In this building in terms of the weaponize senator. Also,
Speaker 3: how we did Senator mccra quite a fiery one, prou
Speaker 3: look this whole sag. It's been a whole saga, let's
Speaker 3: be honest. But you know, there's so many unanswered questions.
Speaker 3: Labor has a lot of questions to answer, but particularly
Speaker 3: why Brittany Higgins was handed this two point four million
Speaker 3: dollars payout of taxpayers money. So I actually think they
Speaker 3: have a lot to answer for.
Speaker 6: They do.
Speaker 5: And you know Gallagher just looking at her, I mean
Speaker 5: she between her and Wang, they're the face of labor women.
Speaker 5: And it's not a pretty face, is it. I mean
Speaker 5: it's ugly, it's mean.
Speaker 6: They really they go for the jugular.
Speaker 5: And what we've seen is Linda Reynolds, who's really life
Speaker 5: has been decimated. She's going to lose her house. She says,
Speaker 5: her reputation has totally been damaged.
Speaker 6: She couldn't sit again. And the hurt because you.
Speaker 5: Know, during the trial we saw that in fact she
Speaker 5: had offered an Fiona Brown had offered assistance, and yet
Speaker 5: these allegations were made and it was a tour divorce.
Speaker 5: It's only how Labor can operate. They just keep going
Speaker 5: and attacking.
Speaker 6: And I feel very sorry for her.
Speaker 5: I think that mentally she must be so and emotionally
Speaker 5: so damaged by this and hurt by this.
Speaker 6: And I just think, again, this is another nail in the.
Speaker 5: Coffin for labor because watching Gallagher and the way she
Speaker 5: way she attacked yet again, Yeah, Hubris, the fact that
Speaker 5: she couldn't say apologize when in for.
Speaker 3: You everything that you need to know it doesn't it
Speaker 3: about not nice people. But I'm sure, like the rest
Speaker 3: of us, we all want to know what happened to
Speaker 3: that too. Well, Million, what's going on there? Primixween always
Speaker 3: nice to see you. Thank you so much for joining
Speaker 3: me on the show this evening. Well, the UK Prime
Speaker 3: Minister will visit the White House this week for his
Speaker 3: first meeting with Donald Trump. Kiirs Starmer will try and
Speaker 3: establish himself as a bridge between the US and European
Speaker 3: Union and will push to provide security guarantees for Ukraine.
Speaker 3: Joining me now is gb News host Darren Grimes. Darren,
Speaker 3: wonderful to see you as always, thank you for joining me.
Speaker 3: What can we expect from this meeting? And does Donald
Speaker 3: Trump really need Kirs Starmer to bridge the relationship with.
Speaker 1: Europ Absolutely not. I mean, you know, I've seen more
Speaker 1: charisma from a man than scuse darma than I having
Speaker 1: a soggy sort of WHEATBX right. That's I think secure
Speaker 1: Starmer personifies as a politician. I don't know if you
Speaker 1: saw Danika, but when he was addressing the leaders, so
Speaker 1: this caucus of leaders, he was over the internet. This
Speaker 1: was an online zoom call and he was awkwardly fumbling
Speaker 1: through these notes, and he looked like a school kid. Now,
Speaker 1: I actually think Donald Trump will school him. He will
Speaker 1: school Secure Starmer on every issue, from energy to free speech,
Speaker 1: to defense to a whole host of things. And what
Speaker 1: we see now is Secure Starmer actually trying to out
Speaker 1: Farage Farage by announcing he was going to cut foreign
Speaker 1: aid and spend it instead on defense, which I think
Speaker 1: Denia actually ought to tell you everything you need to
Speaker 1: know about the waste in foreign aed, that you could
Speaker 1: cut it so significantly that actually it won't make much
Speaker 1: of an impact. All of this leftist, globalist outlook on
Speaker 1: life is something that he shares massively. And because Trump
Speaker 1: has said spend more on defense, he says, yes, duddy,
Speaker 1: of course, and it actually just looks pathetic actually in
Speaker 1: the grand scheme of things, and on the world stage,
Speaker 1: he's made Britain on the world stage look utterly cringeworthy.
Speaker 3: Oh look, absolutely, And you know you mentioned that particular
Speaker 3: video and we've got it, and I want to show
Speaker 3: our audience this because I just thought when I saw
Speaker 3: that that Kio Starmer looked like he had the personality
Speaker 3: of a doormat. Quite frankly, when he made this very
Speaker 3: awkward pre prepared statement to world leaders on the Ukraine
Speaker 3: war at the Kiev conference. Let's watch it now.
Speaker 7: I'll have a very simple, clear message today, the UK
Speaker 7: is with you today and every day.
Speaker 3: Gosh, Darren, get the guy a teleprompter. He can't even
Speaker 3: read a basic sentence to world leaders without awkwardly looking
Speaker 3: up and down from his notes. I mean, what an
Speaker 3: embarrassment he is on the world stage.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well it's not very clear, actually, ka I must say,
Speaker 1: you know, this is a man who actually has a
Speaker 1: speech coach. He actually is accused of breaking lockdown rules
Speaker 1: to actually meet with his speech coach back in the
Speaker 1: days when we had those horrible lockdowns. So actually it
Speaker 1: wasn't worth breaking the rules for in the end, if
Speaker 1: indeed he did money well spent, I think not, because
Speaker 1: actually these world leaders might look to Britain for some
Speaker 1: form of Churchillian resolve. Well actually they got a sort
Speaker 1: of malfunctioning sat nav instead. That's what he sounds. He
Speaker 1: sounds a bit like the Siri app on an iPhone
Speaker 1: having a stroke. And quite frankly, if the world deserves better,
Speaker 1: Britain sure as hell deserves a lot better.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's at completely malfunctioning all the time. Hey, it's
Speaker 3: just so embarrassing. You're right, he is like that, Siri
Speaker 3: app I've got to say now you mentioned Nigel Farage. Look, hey,
Speaker 3: seems to be doing exceptionally well over there. You can
Speaker 3: tell even from Afar that the momentum is really really
Speaker 3: with reform. But now we've got this new Ipsos poll
Speaker 3: revealing that more people are favorable to Nigel Faraj than
Speaker 3: other UK political leaders. He is the only leader actually
Speaker 3: making gains, while Kios Starmer's popularity no surprises, as you
Speaker 3: can see there has dropped. Darren, how do you read
Speaker 3: this poll? What does it suggest?
Speaker 1: Well, look, actually I think the next election is tied
Speaker 1: up after you interviewed Nigel Danika, that's in the bag now.
Speaker 1: I think actually what it suggests is what we've been
Speaker 1: saying in Britain for many years, many of us on
Speaker 1: the right of British politics, is that actually he's the
Speaker 1: only political figure in Britain who does genuinely connect with people.
Speaker 1: Boris Johnson had that and then he gave it up
Speaker 1: on a mad dash for net zero and mass migration
Speaker 1: of a kind we've never seen in this country before.
Speaker 1: So whilst Kiostarmer as we've just been saying drones on
Speaker 1: like a sort of malfunctioning roomba, and Kemy bad Knock
Speaker 1: is so backbench that frankly she's probably fallen off. Farage
Speaker 1: actually has cut through. He speaks plainly, He has a
Speaker 1: fag in hand and a plant in the other. He
Speaker 1: takes on the issues that voters actually care about, immigration
Speaker 1: and crucially not treating the public like idiots, arguing that
Speaker 1: net zero, as we heard today in Britain, net zero
Speaker 1: can reduce your bills when actually the opposite can be
Speaker 1: felt in all of our pockets.
Speaker 3: So I'm not.
Speaker 1: Surprised that Starmer's numbers are dropping like a hot potato,
Speaker 1: and that actually he's trying to copy Farage now at
Speaker 1: every twist and turn, with even some of his back
Speaker 1: benches accusing him of been to Farage. Yeast well, I
Speaker 1: think the political landscape is changing. It's full of gray
Speaker 1: suited robots, and Nigel is a sort of rainbow of
Speaker 1: color that lights up the room. So I can't wait
Speaker 1: the Western Westminster establishment, they've better watch out because Farage
Speaker 1: is common.
Speaker 3: You know. It's so good to hear that about Farage,
Speaker 3: And I have to say. I even noticed that Donald
Speaker 3: Trump gave him a really wonderful shout out at the
Speaker 3: SEAPAC conference on the world stage. It was quite a
Speaker 3: massive endorsement. But I just wonder, Darren, do you think
Speaker 3: that now that Donald Trump is in people are going, okay,
Speaker 3: it's all right to look for leaders like this, and
Speaker 3: that's why Farage is gaining momentum in the UK. And
Speaker 3: what's your take on that.
Speaker 1: That's a really good bit of analysis. Actually, I think
Speaker 1: you're probably right. I think in the way in which
Speaker 1: Donald Trump has managed to bring about some significant wins
Speaker 1: across cultural areas but as well as economic ones, with
Speaker 1: the whole slew of companies announcing making significant announcements of
Speaker 1: further investment in the United States, people are seeing that
Speaker 1: peace through strength is something that Donald Trump seems to
Speaker 1: be able to bring about. And we're seeing that with
Speaker 1: Ukraine and all the rest of it. But that power,
Speaker 1: that power of and strength and determination for the nation state.
Speaker 1: People are crying out for that because we feel utterly
Speaker 1: powerless in our lives right now. Because the Labor Party
Speaker 1: seem far more intent about talking about Palestine than they
Speaker 1: do actually about talking about Preston and Britain. You know,
Speaker 1: this is the kind of I think globalist approach that
Speaker 1: takes its eye firmly off the ball.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I feel like that's also happening in Australia too.
Speaker 3: It's so sad to say back, Yeah, all the power
Speaker 3: to Nigel Fara. I just think it's just wonderful now, Darren,
Speaker 3: look out, because big brother is watching. UK. Labor is
Speaker 3: developing a secret artificial intelligence tool to troll through social
Speaker 3: media looking for quote concerning posts that it deems problematic
Speaker 3: so it can take action, Darren, For goodness sake, what's
Speaker 3: going on? And why is Labor so dead set on
Speaker 3: controlling every aspect of its citizens' lives.
Speaker 1: Oh, it's chilling, it is, It's absolutely chilling. They say
Speaker 1: that this is about keeping the public safe, but I
Speaker 1: don't think it is. I think it's about keeping the
Speaker 1: public silent because Labor have an obsession with controlling the
Speaker 1: narrative and we've saw a slew of people being jailed
Speaker 1: last year over riots when young girls were murdered in
Speaker 1: our country. This is all Wellian and I know that's
Speaker 1: over an overused trite cliche, but they really are not
Speaker 1: content with police and speech that they actually seek to
Speaker 1: automate the process. And don't think for a second right
Speaker 1: that there are British citizens whose data is off limits
Speaker 1: that they'll be safe. Actually, we saw with the back
Speaker 1: door that was built in our iPhones that secure Starmer's
Speaker 1: government insisted on the lack of privacy and security. I
Speaker 1: think that's a deliberate attempt to be able to access
Speaker 1: data and I don't trust this government to not try
Speaker 1: and use that data in really quite political and sinister ways.
Speaker 1: It's a form of digital stars e and it's actually
Speaker 1: common to a timeline for everyone in the United Kingdom
Speaker 1: and this I just find this, all of these moves
Speaker 1: to be part of a wider trend. And I think
Speaker 1: if if you can't see that now, then perhaps you
Speaker 1: never will. You know, that's where we're at in this country.
Speaker 1: Freedom and liberty are in deep steep decline. It's a
Speaker 1: chillin time for freedom of expression in this country. Because
Speaker 1: I don't think this is only exclusively about pedophiles and terrorists.
Speaker 1: I think this is actually about mischievous people that post
Speaker 1: online who the Labor Party don't like the narrative.
Speaker 3: Of no I completely agree, and you're right, you know
Speaker 3: this is a wake up call that if people can't
Speaker 3: see what's going on now, they never will. But I
Speaker 3: hope people wake up to ex exactly what's going on
Speaker 3: because it is big brother like qualities. It's just terrible. Now, Darren,
Speaker 3: let's change the pace a bit. I've got to talk
Speaker 3: to you about one of our favorite topics, Meghan Markle Look.
Speaker 3: Things are not going quite well for her. First, she
Speaker 3: rebranded her lifestyle brand Too as Ever, I mean spare us.
Speaker 3: She then faces legal action due to trademark issues over
Speaker 3: its logo, and now she's been accused of copying Hollywood
Speaker 3: icon Pamela Anderson after similarities were found between the trailer
Speaker 3: for Pamela's Cooking with Love venture and Megan's With Love Meghan,
Speaker 3: both on streaming services, and it comes days after she
Speaker 3: was also accused of copying Princess Diana's Look. Gee, Darren,
Speaker 3: drama seems to follow Meghan everywhere. But I've got to
Speaker 3: ask you, is she a cheap copycat? Is she simply clueless?
Speaker 3: Or is she a smart business woman?
Speaker 8: Oh?
Speaker 1: I don't think she's a smart smart business woman. In fact,
Speaker 1: I think every investment that anyone has ever given her,
Speaker 1: whether it be Spotify, Netflix or whatever else. It hasn't
Speaker 1: worked out very well for them. You know, originality and
Speaker 1: Megan Markle they go together a bit like Prince Harry
Speaker 1: and some stream of independent thought. You know you mentioned
Speaker 1: it there that she gives a lifestyle brand the most
Speaker 1: uninspired name imaginable. And it's after she was trying to
Speaker 1: flog this expensive jam with a name that sounds like
Speaker 1: a cheap perfume from a dollar store. You know, I
Speaker 1: just find that, actually the unriginality and the sales pitch,
Speaker 1: what was in this jam? Prince Harry's tears about his
Speaker 1: white guilt, I mean, gave over. I've heard it all now,
Speaker 1: and now she's got the lot, as you say, lawyers
Speaker 1: breathing down a Pamela Anderson, maybe being pinched and having
Speaker 1: her ideas stolen, with a perfectly curated kitchen and all
Speaker 1: these other things, and that the idea that she's Princess Diana. Well,
Speaker 1: I have to tell you this, Ask yourself, is there
Speaker 1: anything original about Meghan Markle? I think there's one thing
Speaker 1: I can think of, and that's her ability to make
Speaker 1: absolutely everything about herself.
Speaker 3: A stunningly put One quick question for you, Darren, will
Speaker 3: you be buying Megan Markle's jam.
Speaker 1: I absolutely will not. You know, I've got better things
Speaker 1: to spend, by buddy, I'll be spending it, don't I
Speaker 1: don't know away of a VPN to try and get
Speaker 1: on the internet in the age of Sekir Starmer. Or
Speaker 1: for buying her over Bryce.
Speaker 3: Mush Oh, you've got much better priorities than Meghan Markle.
Speaker 3: Good to hear, Darren Grimes. It is always a pleasure
Speaker 3: to speak with you. Thank you very much for joining
Speaker 3: me on the show this evening. Always a pleasure.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 3: Still to calm everyone's favorite segmental lefties are losing it,
Speaker 3: plus the far left MSNBC appears to be falling apart,
Speaker 3: Bartie U Ungu Sagan joins us to discuss. Now it's
Speaker 3: time for lefties losing it, and of course we've got
Speaker 3: to start with the chief loon herself, Joy read now
Speaker 3: please get your tissues ready because she's filmed her last
Speaker 3: ever show on MSNBC. I know it's so sad, and
Speaker 3: in true joyless Joy style, she ended with a warning
Speaker 3: to America.
Speaker 4: And we begin tonight with what I think is the
Speaker 4: question when you are in the midst of a crisis,
Speaker 4: and specifically a crisis of democracy. How do you resist
Speaker 4: when fascism isn't just coming, it's already here.
Speaker 3: Well that is a good question, Joy, because look at
Speaker 3: what happens when you resist. You got fired for your
Speaker 3: hatred and race baiting. Ah. She still doesn't get why
Speaker 3: she was fired, does she. It still hasn't quite tweaked
Speaker 3: in that brain of hers. And look who comes to
Speaker 3: her defense. Guess who? Fellow MSNBC host Rachel Maddow, who's
Speaker 3: gone on an unhinged rant implying that the network is
Speaker 3: racist for firing Joy.
Speaker 10: It is also unnerving to see that on a network
Speaker 10: where we've got two countum two non white hosts in primetime.
Speaker 10: Both of our non white hosts in primetime are losing
Speaker 10: their shows, as is Katie Fang on the Weekend. And
Speaker 10: that feels worse than bad. No matter who replaces now,
Speaker 10: that feels indefensible and I do not defend it.
Speaker 3: Jay's MSNBC has some big issues, and what a shame
Speaker 3: Rachel has not offered to resign in solidarity and the
Speaker 3: lefty meltdown's over joyless read keep on coming in strolls.
Speaker 3: Don Lemon, you know the sacked formacy and n host
Speaker 3: who continues his plunge into lefty oblivion. And this time
Speaker 3: he has a message for Megan Kelly because he thinks
Speaker 3: that she was mean to poor old Joy. So let
Speaker 3: me just say to Meghan Kelly, in my thirty some
Speaker 3: years as a journalist, my fifty some years as a
Speaker 3: person of color, got yourself. Okay, that career was cut
Speaker 3: short in case he's forgotten, But gosh, he's really struggling
Speaker 3: with relevance, isn't he. Now? I want you all to
Speaker 3: meet the drag queen pasta you heard that, correct, who
Speaker 3: goes by the name brock Bottom and seems to be
Speaker 3: taking indoctrination to a whole new woke level.
Speaker 11: From the moment we were born, and perhaps even before that,
Speaker 11: when families gather to reveal the sex organs of their child,
Speaker 11: that the drag show begins, The blue confetti falls, and
Speaker 11: the pink smoke clears, and there's a mad dash to
Speaker 11: project cultural and societal expectations of gender performance onto that child.
Speaker 11: These are learned behaviors that can be shaped either through
Speaker 11: shame or affirmation based on a perceived correct performance.
Speaker 3: There's a lot to unpack, isn't there? But maybe it's
Speaker 3: just about letting kids be kids. You know, the basics
Speaker 3: quite quite simple actually, and not exactly what you would
Speaker 3: expect to hear when you go to church. And now
Speaker 3: to the true face of the American left. Ah, the
Speaker 3: Democrats at it again. Here is Jasmine Crockett's message for
Speaker 3: Elon Musk.
Speaker 12: If you could speak directly to Elon Musk, what would
Speaker 12: you say there?
Speaker 3: Ah? They never learned?
Speaker 13: Do they?
Speaker 3: Joining us? Now? Is journalist Bartier Unga Sagan Bartier, Nice
Speaker 3: to chat to you again, Thank you for joining me.
Speaker 3: Let's start with Donald Trump surprising visitors on a White
Speaker 3: House tour. Have a look at this Welcome to the
Speaker 3: White House?
Speaker 12: Are does everybody having any good times?
Speaker 9: How?
Speaker 3: Then?
Speaker 4: Moved?
Speaker 8: Do I have?
Speaker 13: No matter?
Speaker 9: Where do you go? First?
Speaker 8: Lady worked very hard and making it perfect, and I
Speaker 8: think you're going to really love it. And I heard
Speaker 8: you were here, let's stop by and said maybe someday
Speaker 8: you'll be here as a president.
Speaker 3: Right, You're gonna give them a special tour.
Speaker 8: Okay, have fun everybody.
Speaker 3: I love that, And as you can imagine, the tour
Speaker 3: group was so excited they even started chanting Usa, Bartia.
Speaker 3: How cool is that? I mean, that's an experience that
Speaker 3: I will never forget. But I also think it shows
Speaker 3: what sort of a person Donald Trump is.
Speaker 13: Denigi, you are one hundred percent correct. This is a
Speaker 13: man who loves the people, and you can just see
Speaker 13: it in everything he does, everything he says, every executive
Speaker 13: action he passes. He won because people could feel that love,
Speaker 13: and it came in the form of a policy agenda
Speaker 13: that reflected a deep respect for the American people and
Speaker 13: for the dignity of working class Americans, something that had
Speaker 13: disappeared from the American public sphere because the elites are
Speaker 13: so disdainful of people who work with their hands for
Speaker 13: a living.
Speaker 12: And you can just see it. He just loves those people.
Speaker 13: He really feeds off of their energy as a deep
Speaker 13: and abiding respect and love for America and for the
Speaker 13: American people, for the electorate, and it just comes out
Speaker 13: in every all of these different ways where he can't
Speaker 13: help himself but stop and talk to them. He truly
Speaker 13: is the tribune of the plebs.
Speaker 3: That's a really good way to put it. You're right,
Speaker 3: he is a man of the people. You can just
Speaker 3: say that, and they just love him. The fact that
Speaker 3: they erupted in Usa. Now, Bartia, we've got to talk
Speaker 3: about MSNBC. That network is absolutely falling apart. Of course,
Speaker 3: after Joy Raid was axed, now fellow host Rachel Maadow
Speaker 3: has lashed out at her own liberal media outlet over
Speaker 3: the decision. Have a look at these.
Speaker 10: I do not want to lose her as a colleague
Speaker 10: here at MSNBC, and personally, I think it is a
Speaker 10: bad mistake to let her walk out the door. It
Speaker 10: is not my call and I understand that, but that's
Speaker 10: what I think.
Speaker 6: I will tell you.
Speaker 10: It is also unnerving to see that on a network
Speaker 10: where we've got two count of two non white hosts
Speaker 10: in primetime. Both of our non white hosts in primetime
Speaker 10: are losing their shows, as is Katie Fang on the Weekend.
Speaker 10: And that feels worse than bad no matter who replaces now,
Speaker 10: that feels indefensible.
Speaker 3: Oh Jay's bat Yeah, are way witnessing the end of Msnbasa.
Speaker 3: I mean, writings are atrocious as it is now, it
Speaker 3: seems like the hosts of falling apart.
Speaker 13: It's so funny that she accused them of being racist
Speaker 13: for firing or canceling. They did not even fired canceling
Speaker 13: the shows of two non white hosts. They were replaced
Speaker 13: with three non white hosts, So you know, the whole
Speaker 13: attempt to racialize this is ridiculous, but of course that
Speaker 13: was always the case. The attempt to reracialize American life,
Speaker 13: to turn Americans against each other based on race.
Speaker 12: Was Joy Reads bread and butter.
Speaker 13: And it's not separable from the fact that she made
Speaker 13: millions and millions of dollars doing it.
Speaker 12: Because wokeness was always a.
Speaker 13: Smoke screen for the class divide. These hosts on cable
Speaker 13: news shows, who make millions of dollars would sit there
Speaker 13: and call Americans racist and try to turn us against
Speaker 13: each other because they didn't want their extreme undeserved wealth
Speaker 13: to be exposed, and so they would call anybody racist
Speaker 13: or sexist, or homophobic or transphobic or what have you
Speaker 13: who brought up the immense class divide that they were
Speaker 13: benefiting from and enjoy Read really was the worst example
Speaker 13: of this.
Speaker 3: She certainly was. She was an absolute disgrace, and I mean,
Speaker 3: I'm surprised it took them so long to get rid
Speaker 3: of her in the first place. Now, look, the Trump
Speaker 3: administration last week told all federal employees to respond to
Speaker 3: an email asking them what they had achieved the previous
Speaker 3: week or be fired. And while more than one million
Speaker 3: workers across the departments of Transportation, Veterans, Affairs, and Small
Speaker 3: business responded, a number of agencies actually instructed their staff
Speaker 3: not to reply, including the Departments of Defense, Justice, and
Speaker 3: the FBI. Bartia, why are these departments defying government orders?
Speaker 13: It's really funny, you know. It turns out Elon Musk
Speaker 13: is the Karen in chief. He's demanding to know what
Speaker 13: you accomplished this week in an email. You know, obviously,
Speaker 13: everybody wants government to work efficiently. Everybody wants to trim
Speaker 13: the fat, everybody wants to get rid of people who
Speaker 13: are not working. But this is just an added level
Speaker 13: of bureaucracy here. Elon Musk has empowered a bunch of
Speaker 13: extremely young, unexperienced people to actually defy the orders of
Speaker 13: in some cases the State Department, and of course Marco Rubio, Tulci, Gabbard,
Speaker 13: Pete Hegseth, a lot of people who are Trump loyalists,
Speaker 13: who are telling their employees, look, just ignore this, like
Speaker 13: this is just Elon Musk nonsense. And you know they
Speaker 13: want to be in charge of their departments, and so
Speaker 13: you know, there's really this sort of I don't think
Speaker 13: it's attention. I don't think it's right to call it that,
Speaker 13: But there is something developing here where within the ranks
Speaker 13: of Trump loyalists, of the MAGA movement and of his appointees,
Speaker 13: they're losing a little bit of patience with Elon Musk
Speaker 13: needing to be in the headlines every single day of
Speaker 13: him trying to undermine them and what they're trying to
Speaker 13: achieve in their departments. You know, I think we can
Speaker 13: trust Mark or Rubio and Pete hag Seth and Tulca
Speaker 13: Gabbard to fire anybody who's not performing. But then again,
Speaker 13: you know, Donald Trump said that he supports what Elon
Speaker 13: Musk did, And there's a little bit of good cop
Speaker 13: bad cop going on here too, right, because Donald Trump,
Speaker 13: of course wants to cut the fat, but meanwhile it's
Speaker 13: Elon Musk who's getting all the negative press for it.
Speaker 13: So I think it's working to Trump's advantage.
Speaker 3: I think so, toy, But I mean good, I just
Speaker 3: said good on them for asking, you know, what are
Speaker 3: you doing? I mean, he's trying to cut back these departments,
Speaker 3: so he has every right to know what the workers
Speaker 3: are up to now. I found this one quite shocking.
Speaker 3: Barti out Federal Intelligence workers are being investigated for allegedly
Speaker 3: abusing the NSA's internal messaging platform Interlink, using the agency's
Speaker 3: official Diversity, Equity and Inclusion group Chat to talk about
Speaker 3: sexual topics in graphic detail. Some of those topics included
Speaker 3: experiences with gender reassignment surgery, hormone therapy, pronoun usage, and
Speaker 3: some other others that were very graphic. But I've got
Speaker 3: to say, Bartia, is this not another example as to
Speaker 3: why these departments need a clean out?
Speaker 9: Oh?
Speaker 13: Yes, absolutely. I mean, look, there is so much waste
Speaker 13: going on. If Elon Musk is really finding people who
Speaker 13: have not been at work night, open their emails for
Speaker 13: a year, not change their passwords for a year, these
Speaker 13: people shouldn't be collecting a pecheck.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 13: We know that the average employee of the federal government
Speaker 13: makes about one hundred and forty thousand dollars a year.
Speaker 13: That's a very decent salary for not actually showing up
Speaker 13: to work. So I agree with you, there's certainly fat
Speaker 13: to be trimmed here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's definitely fat to be trimmed. Now. Look, speaking
Speaker 3: of DOGE twenty one employees of Elon Musk's Department of
Speaker 3: Government Efficiency have actually now quit their jobs, writing in
Speaker 3: a joint resignation letter, quote, we will not use our
Speaker 3: skills as technologists to compromise core government systems, jeopardize americans
Speaker 3: sensitive data, or dismantle critical public services. We will not
Speaker 3: lend out expertise to carry out or legitimize Dog's actions. Look, Bartia,
Speaker 3: I'm sure that you know Elon Musk doesn't care if
Speaker 3: you're going to quit your jobs, But what do you
Speaker 3: make of their response?
Speaker 13: You know, you see this a lot on the left,
Speaker 13: low level employees thinking that they run the police, and
Speaker 13: in a lot of cases it's because they are given
Speaker 13: and outside sense of their own importance, because there is
Speaker 13: a sort of obsession with the approval of the young
Speaker 13: on the left, and so you end up with a
Speaker 13: situation where like interns will be writing, you know, public
Speaker 13: open letters decrying their bosses, and it's so totally ridiculous.
Speaker 13: You know, if you want to work for the government,
Speaker 13: your number one job is to carry out what the
Speaker 13: President of the United States asks you to do, what
Speaker 13: your boss asks you to do.
Speaker 12: So I think you're totally right.
Speaker 13: I don't think Elon Musk is going to miss these people,
Speaker 13: you know, like, don't let the door hit you on.
Speaker 12: Your way out. But it is indicative of a much
Speaker 12: larger problem.
Speaker 13: There's only one thing they did say that I have
Speaker 13: sympathy for, you know, the cutting spending. This is a
Speaker 13: good thing. The fact that they don't want to do it,
Speaker 13: come on, But there is a risk of compromising sensitive data,
Speaker 13: and I do wish Elon Musk took that a little
Speaker 13: bit more seriously.
Speaker 3: Now, look, that is definitely a fair point. But yeah,
Speaker 3: don't let the door hit you on your way out
Speaker 3: because you can easily be replaced. That that's for sure. Now, Bartier,
Speaker 3: it's been revealed that the same left wing groups who
Speaker 3: were behind widespread anti Israel protests and the defund the
Speaker 3: police movement are also behind those anti Doge protests that
Speaker 3: we're seeing at the moment. And look, if you hadn't
Speaker 3: guessed already, yes, our mate George Soros has had a
Speaker 3: huge role in funding these lunatics. But you know, Bartier, again,
Speaker 3: what does it say about the left and the narrative
Speaker 3: that they're just trying to spin. They go from one
Speaker 3: different protest to another.
Speaker 12: Don't they you absolutely nailed it.
Speaker 13: You know, the left used to be very justly the
Speaker 13: side that was pushing for civil rights for black Americans.
Speaker 13: When they achieved that, thank god, they moved on to
Speaker 13: gay Americans.
Speaker 12: Okay, we achieved that.
Speaker 13: Then they moved on to trans Americans. Then when that
Speaker 13: became you know, not thing, they moved onto illegal immigrants.
Speaker 13: Then they moved on to Gaza, and now they're moving
Speaker 13: on to Elon Musk. They just jump from one thing
Speaker 13: to the next because they don't actually believe in any
Speaker 13: of these causes. The whole point here is the moral
Speaker 13: vanity of being able to sneer at and look down
Speaker 13: at your fellow Americans for not being at the vanguard
Speaker 13: of whatever crap is the cause doujour?
Speaker 12: Is it environmentalism? Is it Trump?
Speaker 13: Is literally Hitler right, whatever it is, they jump on
Speaker 13: the bandwagon. These people don't think for themselves. They've lost
Speaker 13: the ability to think critically. They worship experts and credentials,
Speaker 13: and they just jump from one issue to the next
Speaker 13: because they have lost their moral compass, and so they
Speaker 13: look to the crowd, they look outside to Greta Thunberg,
Speaker 13: you know, or whoever it is. That's leading the charge
Speaker 13: on that day to tell them what to think and
Speaker 13: what to believe, and where to sh show up for
Speaker 13: the protest and what's square to post on their social
Speaker 13: media because they've replaced a worldview based in rate versus
Speaker 13: wrong with a worldview based on powerful versus powerless and
Speaker 13: then superimposed race or gender or whatever on to it,
Speaker 13: and so they just have no ability to think for
Speaker 13: themselves anymore. And I think that's exactly what you're seeing here.
Speaker 13: They've found a new target. They've just found a new target,
Speaker 13: and now they're going after him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's almost like they just want to make
Speaker 3: themselves feel better by tying themselves and these in knots
Speaker 3: of guilt, going from one different thing to another. It's
Speaker 3: typical of the left's narrative. Now, look, let's talk about ICE,
Speaker 3: because as it ramps up illegal migrant deportations in southern California,
Speaker 3: activists in Los Angeles have begun posting the names, photos,
Speaker 3: and personal information of ICE agents and warning neighborhoods of
Speaker 3: imminent raids. But yeah, I'm not really sure firstly, what
Speaker 3: they're trying to achieve here. I mean, by doing that,
Speaker 3: that's doxing. But I don't know what they're trying to achieve.
Speaker 3: In the end, what Donald Trump was elected on a
Speaker 3: mandate to fix this boot out illegal immigrants. So they're
Speaker 3: going to continue to do it whether they like it
Speaker 3: or not.
Speaker 13: Yeah, I mean, first of all, dosing is just disgusting.
Speaker 13: Going after ICE agents is just disgusting. They're doing their jobs,
Speaker 13: but also they are doing a job that the vast majority.
Speaker 12: Of Americans want them to do.
Speaker 13: The American people think that Tom Homan is a hero.
Speaker 13: He is the perfect person for this job right now
Speaker 13: because he doesn't care what anybody thinks about him. He
Speaker 13: cares about what's best for the American people, and he
Speaker 13: made that very clear. He shows up every day for
Speaker 13: work with a smile on his face and you know,
Speaker 13: just willing to kick butt. And that's what he's doing.
Speaker 13: He is getting violent criminals out of our country. And
Speaker 13: the fact that they are citing with the violent criminals
Speaker 13: tells you everything you need to.
Speaker 12: Know about the left right now.
Speaker 13: AOC did not even know it was a crime to
Speaker 13: enter the country illegally. Phil tom Holman told her that.
Speaker 12: I mean, it's you know, the ignorance.
Speaker 13: Coupled with hatred of working class Americans, utter contempt for
Speaker 13: their fellow Americans, and a refusal to say, Hey, in
Speaker 13: a democracy, the majority is supposed to get what they want.
Speaker 13: And this is what the American people want.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and if you don't like it, leave. It's as
Speaker 3: simple as that, because this is what the American people want.
Speaker 3: But before we let you go, the Ukrainian President Voladimya
Speaker 3: Zelenski is set to meet with Donald Trump in the
Speaker 3: White House to sign off on a US minerals deal,
Speaker 3: the terms of which have already been agreed to. Now.
Speaker 3: Trump has demanded access to Ukraine's mineral resources to compensate
Speaker 3: for the billions of dollars in war funding provided by
Speaker 3: Joe Biden, and Ukraine hopes that agreeing to the deal
Speaker 3: will actually help regain at the support of Washington. BADDI,
Speaker 3: where do you see this meeting go go? Particularly given
Speaker 3: Donald Trump's criticism of Ukraine in the past week.
Speaker 13: Donald Trump got extremely angry at Vladimir Zelenski because I
Speaker 13: think Trump assumed when he took office that it would
Speaker 13: be Putin who would be reluctant to come to the table.
Speaker 13: But Zelensky, who had been the recipient of two hundred
Speaker 13: billion dollars of American taxpayer dollars would be very happy
Speaker 13: and willing to come to the table to negotiate the
Speaker 13: end to the war. And also that he would want
Speaker 13: to repay the Americans in some way for our immense
Speaker 13: generosity in backing them in this war. And I think
Speaker 13: Donald Trump was very very surprised, shocked, and disappointed that
Speaker 13: Vladimir Zelenski did not want to end the war and
Speaker 13: did not want to repay the Americans in any way.
Speaker 13: And so it led to Donald Trump saying very strict
Speaker 13: things about Zelenski. Zelensky thankfully changed his tune. They're going
Speaker 13: to sign this agreement and hopefully the United States will
Speaker 13: get some of that money back.
Speaker 3: I think the.
Speaker 12: Meeting itself will go very well well.
Speaker 13: Trump is a very forgiving person, I mean, for God's sake,
Speaker 13: he has forgiven people who called him hitler. In fact,
Speaker 13: ged Vans himself had been very strict, had very strong
Speaker 13: words about Donal John Now he's Vice president of the
Speaker 13: United States.
Speaker 12: So I think the meeting will go very well. Donald
Speaker 12: Trump hates war.
Speaker 13: He sees himself as a peacemaker. He wants that Nobel
Speaker 13: Peace Prize, which he one hundred percent deserves from his
Speaker 13: first term in office. He's got his eye on the
Speaker 13: prize and I think that he'll make peace between Ukraine
Speaker 13: and Russia.
Speaker 3: Well man, that's what he said during the election campaign.
Speaker 3: He said that the war in Ukraine wouldn't have happened
Speaker 3: under his watch. So it's like he's he's making good
Speaker 3: form on what he had said. Bartia Unga Sagan, It's
Speaker 3: always really nice to speak with you. Thank you so
Speaker 3: much for joining me on the show this evening.
Speaker 12: Thank you so much. Snikua, so great being here with you.
Speaker 3: God bless you still to come and you survey has
Speaker 3: exposed the horrific bullying rife in our schools. Claire Row
Speaker 3: joins me next. Welcome back and joining me now as
Speaker 3: child an adolescent psychologist and Sky News contributor Claire Row. Claire,
Speaker 3: good to see you. Thank you for joining me. Let's
Speaker 3: start with home schooling because research has found that it's
Speaker 3: more than doubled in Australia over the last five years.
Speaker 3: I thought this was interesting, Claire, because you know, homeschooling
Speaker 3: was all most kids Eve knue during the COVID years.
Speaker 3: But why do you think that this trend is still
Speaker 3: on the rise.
Speaker 9: Yeah, thanks, Tanika. I think it's huge.
Speaker 2: I've never before in my career have I seen so
Speaker 2: many parents pulling their kids out of mainstream schooling.
Speaker 9: And I just don't think it's a passing trend. There's
Speaker 9: a few reasons, I think.
Speaker 2: First and foremost, I think it's a reflection of the
Speaker 2: deep dissatisfaction with our current education system.
Speaker 9: And I'm just seeing parents who usually would be very
Speaker 9: happy with public schooling.
Speaker 2: They went to public schooling themselves, they otherwise want their
Speaker 2: kids to go to public schools. But between declining academic
Speaker 2: standards for principally the lack of discipline, the classrooms I'm
Speaker 2: hearing about are in absolute chaos, and then of course
Speaker 2: this encroachment of ideological agendas into classroom. I'm seeing parents
Speaker 2: who are kind of faced with this decision of like
Speaker 2: loans and re mortgaging their house and taking up more
Speaker 2: jobs to get their kids into the private system, or
Speaker 2: they're saying, Claire, we've got to homeschool them because we
Speaker 2: want them to catch up academically. We of course also
Speaker 2: have this massive uptake with child anxiety, and I just
Speaker 2: don't think that schools are handling that well. There is
Speaker 2: a huge amount of particularly teenage girls who are refusing
Speaker 2: to go to school, and after months and months of
Speaker 2: missing out, their parents. Basically, you know they don't want
Speaker 2: a homeschool, but it's a last ditch kind of option
Speaker 2: to them.
Speaker 9: And I think homeschooling may work for some, but it.
Speaker 2: Should not be the only viable option left for parents
Speaker 2: who simply want their kids to get a better education.
Speaker 2: These are parents who are quitting their own jobs, turning
Speaker 2: their lives on end, going into financial debt and ruin
Speaker 2: to try and help their kids. And I think the
Speaker 2: responsibility just falls back on this failing public education system
Speaker 2: at the moment.
Speaker 3: I absolutely agree, and it's such a shame as well
Speaker 3: that it's come to this now. Across Australia, young kids
Speaker 3: are going to school riddled with anxiety and fear over
Speaker 3: what insidious bullying could await them after they enter the
Speaker 3: school gates. According to news Corps Great Australian Parents survey,
Speaker 3: almost half of Ozzie kids have been bullied at school,
Speaker 3: sixteen percent have been bullied online, and at least seven
Speaker 3: percent say it actually has led their child to have
Speaker 3: suicidal thoughts. Claire. There are calls now for a national
Speaker 3: standard to be developed to try and curb this. As
Speaker 3: a child psychologist yourself, what do you think should be included?
Speaker 2: Well, I mean it just it's not about what's included,
Speaker 2: because I think we have spoken and spoken and spoken
Speaker 2: about anti bullying. There are millions poured into the edge
Speaker 2: caation system when it comes to programs and initiatives and
Speaker 2: teaching kids about respectful relationships, and for decades now in
Speaker 2: an educational manner and policies and procedures, we have spoken
Speaker 2: about anti bullying.
Speaker 9: For me, it's about when are we going to actually
Speaker 9: implement things?
Speaker 2: And it's much like you know, you talk about current
Speaker 2: laws these days and whether they're actually implemented, and the
Speaker 2: same thing goes for these policies of anti bullying. So look,
Speaker 2: the number one thing I would suggest it has to
Speaker 2: be included is we have to return to some type
Speaker 2: of policy where there is not just a zero tolerance
Speaker 2: for bullying, because we talk about that a lot.
Speaker 9: But immediate and meaningful consequences to the perpetrators of bullying.
Speaker 2: Now, I'm one who always says we don't want to
Speaker 2: label every child negative interaction as bullying, because kids peak
Speaker 2: on each other, they fight, But when it is targeted,
Speaker 2: relentless harassment and intimidation targeted towards one student, and then
Speaker 2: we get what they call this restorative justice approach, which
Speaker 2: essentially means you sit the bully down with the victim
Speaker 2: time and time again, and we have a nice chat
Speaker 2: and we try to be friends again. When are we
Speaker 2: going to actually just implement consequences to that bully for
Speaker 2: their actions.
Speaker 9: So that's got to be the first one.
Speaker 2: And there's got to be accountability put back on schools.
Speaker 9: Parents should have.
Speaker 2: A clear pathway to escalate these concerns when bullying is
Speaker 2: not addressed properly. And I have been contacted in recent
Speaker 2: weeks by lawyers.
Speaker 9: Of parents who are.
Speaker 2: Now seeking legal advice on whether it would be appropriate
Speaker 2: to sue schools for their lack of action on the
Speaker 2: bullying towards their child. And of course you know the
Speaker 2: poor mental health and outcomes for their children.
Speaker 9: That they've been left with. So yeah, it's just about
Speaker 9: less talk and more action.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, Look, something has to be done. I mean, clearly
Speaker 3: it's out of control now when you're getting possible lawyers involved,
Speaker 3: it's just it's ridiculous. It's come to this. We're almost
Speaker 3: certain we don't want.
Speaker 9: To go that way, right, We don't want to go
Speaker 9: that way.
Speaker 2: Like the US where everyone's everyone all the time. And
Speaker 2: that's what I feel. But parents, they don't feel like
Speaker 2: they've got any other options.
Speaker 3: No, it's really sad. Look, Claire, we're almost out of time.
Speaker 3: Just very quickly. Academics and students who attack Zionism can
Speaker 3: be sanctioned for anti semitism under a common definition approved
Speaker 3: by Australian universities, thirty of them actually to protect Jewish Australians. Claire,
Speaker 3: How did it come to this where unis actually have
Speaker 3: to agree on student safety.
Speaker 9: Oh, it's ridiculous.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, they're agree that people shouldn't be harassed, intimidated,
Speaker 2: made to feel unwelcome because of their cultural race, and
Speaker 2: now we need to hold drawn up policy and we
Speaker 2: can't agree on the definitions and so forth.
Speaker 9: I mean, it is long overdue, but I'll just.
Speaker 2: Go back to the previous point and say, okay, we'll
Speaker 2: put the policy in place. The policy has to educate
Speaker 2: staff on university campuses of what do you do when
Speaker 2: you see this anti semitism?
Speaker 9: Is there a safe pathway for reporting it?
Speaker 2: They need to educate students on what the con sequences
Speaker 2: will be, and then they need to follow through on
Speaker 2: those consequences.
Speaker 9: So it's all good having a policy written up.
Speaker 2: Unless there's action, people will just keep doing what they've
Speaker 2: always done.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's just astounding that it's come to an
Speaker 3: agreement that universities have to have. Unbelievable Clairo, good to
Speaker 3: catch up. Thank you very much for joining me. That's
Speaker 3: it from me. Up next is Newsnight, Good Night,