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Speaker 1: On scorn leads Australia.

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Speaker 2: This is the reader Panae Show.

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Speaker 3: Good evening and welcome to the Rita Panahe Show. I'm

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Speaker 3: Danikiti Giorgio coming up tonight. The Chinese warships re enter

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Speaker 3: Australian waters days after passenger jets were rerooted due to

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Speaker 3: live fire drills. Reform UK leader Nigel Faraj is now

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Speaker 3: the most favorable leader in Britain. Darren Grimes will take

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Speaker 3: us through the latest poll. Bartia Ungasagan on Donald Trump

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Speaker 3: surprising a White House tour group and of course Lefty

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Speaker 3: is losing it as we say so long. Farewell to

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Speaker 3: the Chief Blude herself, Joy Reid, who's recorded her last

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Speaker 3: ever show on MSNBC.

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Speaker 4: How do you resist when fascism isn't just coming, It's

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Speaker 4: already here.

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Speaker 3: Enjoining me now is Sky News contributor Peru mcsweden. Prue.

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Speaker 3: Great to see you as always. Let's start with this

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Speaker 3: Chinese warship saga, because now we find out today they're

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Speaker 3: back again. Three Chinese warships have re entered Australia's Exclusive

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Speaker 3: Economic Zone after recently completing live fire exercises in the

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Speaker 3: Tasman Sea, and most concerningly. Now, pro we've got a

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Speaker 3: situation where the chief of the Defense Force has come

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Speaker 3: out saying that a nuclear submarine may actually be lurking

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Speaker 3: below the surface attached to the trio of Chinese warships. Pro. Look,

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Speaker 3: they're undeterred, clearly. I mean this has now been going

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Speaker 3: on for days. The Prime Minister's opted for his handsome

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Speaker 3: boy from Australia approach. Nothing to see here, Everything is okay,

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Speaker 3: I mean, no wonder they keep coming back.

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Speaker 5: Exactly and they're making a statement you know, we know

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Speaker 5: that there, which is surprising because they would rather have

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Speaker 5: Albanisi sitting in the Prime Minister's chair than Dunton clearly,

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Speaker 5: but they're still making a statement not only to Australia

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Speaker 5: but the world that they have every intention of dominating

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Speaker 5: this area.

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Speaker 6: And proving that they can.

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Speaker 5: I mean, we have an open door policy, see clearly

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Speaker 5: because we and you have to blame successive governments for this.

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Speaker 5: It's been a lackadaisical you know, Shelby right, mate, We've allocated.

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Speaker 6: No defense funding and kept up with the rest of

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Speaker 6: the world.

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Speaker 5: And we can't rely on America anymore because America may

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Speaker 5: not necessarily come and bowl us out, and Trump's telling

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Speaker 5: Europe and the whole world really that they are responsible

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Speaker 5: for looking after their own defense and we aren't. We

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Speaker 5: have always said we'll just park that and go awate

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Speaker 5: our money on a million other things, you know, funding

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Speaker 5: activists or whatever it may be. And so we're in

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Speaker 5: this situation now where we're defenseless. Jackie Lambe said, we

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Speaker 5: you know, we really are so vulnerable, which we all

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Speaker 5: know we are, and China's just thumbing their nose.

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Speaker 3: Well, but I mean this has happened multiple times with

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Speaker 3: you know, there's been a multiple diplomatic incidents, the sonar incident,

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Speaker 3: the fighter jets, and every time it's happened, Anthony Aberze

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Speaker 3: has gone, oh, this is unprofessional and unacceptable. No one.

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Speaker 3: I mean, Beijing's not scared of Anthony Albnizi. Beijing loves

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Speaker 6: And he's being an apologist for them.

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Speaker 5: Look, he's been even accused of lying that he said

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Speaker 5: that the government had been tipped off about this live file.

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Speaker 6: When the ADF chief said they hadn't.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so you know, the man is an apologist making

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Speaker 5: excuses for China, and.

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Speaker 3: We are all being punished for it. Now, look, let's

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Speaker 3: move on. I want to talk about the mud slinging

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Speaker 3: that we're seeing playing out politically, and it's not even

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Speaker 3: the start of campaign proper yet. Labor is continuing to

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Speaker 3: question Peter Dutton's share trades and this dates back to

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Speaker 3: the global financial crisis. We're talking two thousand and nine. Now.

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Speaker 3: Dutton has responded today saying he has no assets held

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Speaker 3: in a private trust and has been forced to come

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Speaker 3: out and defend his wealth prou Look, we're in for

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Speaker 3: a nasty campaign where when you've got Labor really grappling

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Speaker 6: Oh look, is that all they've got?

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Speaker 5: And we know it is basically that they are so

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Speaker 5: terrified of Dutton, and rightly so, because their focus groups

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Speaker 6: And what I don't quite understand with Labor is surely

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Speaker 6: these boffins who.

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Speaker 5: Have paid so much money in the Prime Minister's office

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Speaker 5: are not saying, mate, this is dangerous. We've got to

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Speaker 5: come out with more policies and not just this medi

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Speaker 5: scare thing, you know, where you know everybody can see

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Speaker 5: through it.

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Speaker 6: It's not even in the budget. It's forward thinking, you.

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Speaker 5: Know, forward books, and you sort of think Dutton's played

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Speaker 6: And they're terrified of him.

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Speaker 5: But the fact that Dutton has been so successful financially

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Speaker 5: makes me feel confident that we're in the hands of

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Speaker 5: someone who is a commercial animal. He made his money

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Speaker 5: in the outside world, not through the bureaucracy as a

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Speaker 5: public servant, which is what Alban EASi has done. So

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Speaker 5: we should all be grateful that it's going to be

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Speaker 5: in a safe pair of hands. And how facile and

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Speaker 5: immature and pathetic is Labor if they're going to start

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Speaker 5: this dirt because I believe the Australian public's had enough

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Speaker 5: of it.

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Speaker 3: I think so too, And you're right. I think you

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Speaker 3: make a really good point. This has all got to

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Speaker 3: do with the fact that they're just spending like crazy

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Speaker 3: at the moment. They never expected that Peter Dutton was

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Speaker 3: going to come out and outbid their Medicare announcement and

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Speaker 3: they have nothing to go on, so clearly they are

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Speaker 3: completely grappling at straw. I think that's such a good point. Now,

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Speaker 3: let's talk about Trump's tariff's. Australia is said to be

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Speaker 3: spared from Trump's reciprocal tariff crackdown, with the president's top

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Speaker 3: economic advisor also offering the alb and Easy government a

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Speaker 3: glimmer of hope of sorts to avoid duties on steel

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Speaker 3: and aluminium exports to the US. Now. The Treasurer Jim

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Speaker 3: Chalmers hailed his talks in Washington, d C. With his

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Speaker 3: reason to believe the US was no longer a reliable

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Speaker 3: partner for Australia. Look, I'm interested in your take on

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Speaker 3: this prew about how Australia goes about it. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I don't think that labor is certainly strong enough to

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Speaker 3: navigate these issues. But can Jim Chalmers really be the

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Speaker 3: one to talk constructively with the US on the.

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Speaker 5: Well, you can just imagine Trump saying to his blokes, oh,

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Speaker 5: humor him. You know he would consider Chalmers, alban Easy

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Speaker 5: lightweights and certainly rud too, And so I don't think

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Speaker 5: he's going to play any favors. He would be cognizant

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Speaker 5: that there's election coming up and he will want.

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Speaker 6: Dutton to win.

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Speaker 5: So I actually believe that Trump will play with their

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Speaker 5: little mouse, the big cat, and not give anything until

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Speaker 5: Dutton gets in, and then the big boys will be

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Speaker 5: sitting at the table negotiating. I'm sure that in the

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Speaker 5: to negotiate something extra out of us, that's the deal.

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Speaker 5: And frankly, we have to play with the big boys

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Speaker 5: these days and not be these whinging little whimps that

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Speaker 5: we seem to have been, particularly during the alban Easy year.

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Speaker 3: Well clearly, I mean Albo is so weak, isn't he.

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Speaker 3: I mean Donald Trump would walk all over him, absolutely,

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Speaker 3: so I think you make a good point. Now this

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Speaker 3: story has popped its head up again. Senator Linda Reynolds

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Speaker 3: has walked out of Senate Estimates after a clash with

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Speaker 3: Finance Minister Katie Gallagher over the Britney Higgins saga. Now,

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Speaker 3: Miss Reynolds is going to be retiring from politics at

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Speaker 3: the upcoming election, but used what's likely to be her

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Speaker 3: last Senate Estimates appearance to ask for an apology from

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Speaker 3: Miss Gallagher over past questioning on her knowledge of Miss

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Speaker 3: Higgins's rape allegations. Here's how it transpired.

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Speaker 7: Will you now apologize not just to me, but to

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Speaker 7: my staff and my family for all of the damage

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Speaker 7: that has been wrought on them by you and by

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Speaker 7: others in the Labor Party.

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Speaker 8: I am sorry, but I and I've gone back and

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Speaker 8: had a look at the questions I've asked. I believe

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Speaker 8: the questions I ask in my role when you're a

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Speaker 8: minisinster and accountable for what happened in your office, were reasonable.

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Speaker 8: We asked questions about an alleged sexual assault in this building.

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Speaker 3: So that's a no. Thank you, sir, Thank you. Minister.

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Speaker 8: Well that's your editorializing Reynolds.

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Speaker 9: That is nice.

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Speaker 3: Do you anologize the staff theory telling the staff of

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Speaker 3: Senator Renolds?

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Speaker 8: Senator McGrath, you are an alleged because it happened.

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Speaker 3: In this building in terms of the weaponize senator. Also,

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Speaker 3: how we did Senator mccra quite a fiery one, prou

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Speaker 3: look this whole sag. It's been a whole saga, let's

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Speaker 3: be honest. But you know, there's so many unanswered questions.

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Speaker 3: Labor has a lot of questions to answer, but particularly

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Speaker 3: why Brittany Higgins was handed this two point four million

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Speaker 3: dollars payout of taxpayers money. So I actually think they

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Speaker 3: have a lot to answer for.

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Speaker 6: They do.

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Speaker 5: And you know Gallagher just looking at her, I mean

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Speaker 5: she between her and Wang, they're the face of labor women.

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Speaker 5: And it's not a pretty face, is it. I mean

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Speaker 5: it's ugly, it's mean.

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Speaker 6: They really they go for the jugular.

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Speaker 5: And what we've seen is Linda Reynolds, who's really life

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Speaker 5: has been decimated. She's going to lose her house. She says,

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Speaker 5: her reputation has totally been damaged.

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Speaker 6: She couldn't sit again. And the hurt because you.

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Speaker 5: Know, during the trial we saw that in fact she

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Speaker 5: had offered an Fiona Brown had offered assistance, and yet

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Speaker 5: these allegations were made and it was a tour divorce.

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Speaker 5: It's only how Labor can operate. They just keep going

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Speaker 6: And I feel very sorry for her.

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Speaker 5: I think that mentally she must be so and emotionally

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Speaker 6: And I just think, again, this is another nail in the.

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Speaker 5: Coffin for labor because watching Gallagher and the way she

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Speaker 5: way she attacked yet again, Yeah, Hubris, the fact that

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Speaker 3: You everything that you need to know it doesn't it

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Speaker 3: about not nice people. But I'm sure, like the rest

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Speaker 3: of us, we all want to know what happened to

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Speaker 3: that too. Well, Million, what's going on there? Primixween always

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Speaker 3: nice to see you. Thank you so much for joining

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Speaker 3: me on the show this evening. Well, the UK Prime

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Speaker 3: Minister will visit the White House this week for his

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Speaker 3: first meeting with Donald Trump. Kiirs Starmer will try and

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Speaker 3: establish himself as a bridge between the US and European

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Speaker 3: Union and will push to provide security guarantees for Ukraine.

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Speaker 3: Joining me now is gb News host Darren Grimes. Darren,

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Speaker 3: wonderful to see you as always, thank you for joining me.

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Speaker 3: What can we expect from this meeting? And does Donald

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Speaker 3: Trump really need Kirs Starmer to bridge the relationship with.

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Speaker 1: Europ Absolutely not. I mean, you know, I've seen more

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Speaker 1: charisma from a man than scuse darma than I having

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Speaker 1: a soggy sort of WHEATBX right. That's I think secure

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Speaker 1: Starmer personifies as a politician. I don't know if you

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Speaker 1: saw Danika, but when he was addressing the leaders, so

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Speaker 1: this caucus of leaders, he was over the internet. This

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Speaker 1: was an online zoom call and he was awkwardly fumbling

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Speaker 1: through these notes, and he looked like a school kid. Now,

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Speaker 1: I actually think Donald Trump will school him. He will

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Speaker 1: school Secure Starmer on every issue, from energy to free speech,

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Speaker 1: to defense to a whole host of things. And what

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Speaker 1: we see now is Secure Starmer actually trying to out

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Speaker 1: Farage Farage by announcing he was going to cut foreign

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Speaker 1: aid and spend it instead on defense, which I think

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Speaker 3: to you about one of our favorite topics, Meghan Markle Look.

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Speaker 3: Things are not going quite well for her. First, she

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Speaker 1: I don't think she's a smart smart business woman. In fact,

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Speaker 3: A stunningly put One quick question for you, Darren, will

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Speaker 1: I absolutely will not. You know, I've got better things

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Speaker 3: Mush Oh, you've got much better priorities than Meghan Markle.

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Speaker 3: Good to hear, Darren Grimes. It is always a pleasure

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Speaker 3: Still to calm everyone's favorite segmental lefties are losing it,

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Speaker 3: plus the far left MSNBC appears to be falling apart,

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Speaker 3: time for lefties losing it, and of course we've got

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Speaker 3: to start with the chief loon herself, Joy read now

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Speaker 3: in true joyless Joy style, she ended with a warning

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Speaker 4: And we begin tonight with what I think is the

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Speaker 4: and specifically a crisis of democracy. How do you resist

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Speaker 3: Well that is a good question, Joy, because look at

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Speaker 10: that feels worse than bad. No matter who replaces now,

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Speaker 10: that feels indefensible and I do not defend it.

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Speaker 3: Jay's MSNBC has some big issues, and what a shame

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Speaker 3: Rachel has not offered to resign in solidarity and the

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Speaker 3: lefty meltdown's over joyless read keep on coming in strolls.

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Speaker 3: Don Lemon, you know the sacked formacy and n host

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Speaker 3: who continues his plunge into lefty oblivion. And this time

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Speaker 3: he has a message for Megan Kelly because he thinks

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Speaker 3: that she was mean to poor old Joy. So let

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Speaker 3: me just say to Meghan Kelly, in my thirty some

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Speaker 3: years as a journalist, my fifty some years as a

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Speaker 3: person of color, got yourself. Okay, that career was cut

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Speaker 3: short in case he's forgotten, But gosh, he's really struggling

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Speaker 3: with relevance, isn't he. Now? I want you all to

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Speaker 3: meet the drag queen pasta you heard that, correct, who

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Speaker 3: goes by the name brock Bottom and seems to be

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Speaker 3: taking indoctrination to a whole new woke level.

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Speaker 11: From the moment we were born, and perhaps even before that,

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Speaker 11: when families gather to reveal the sex organs of their child,

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Speaker 11: that the drag show begins, The blue confetti falls, and

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Speaker 11: the pink smoke clears, and there's a mad dash to

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Speaker 11: project cultural and societal expectations of gender performance onto that child.

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Speaker 11: These are learned behaviors that can be shaped either through

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Speaker 11: shame or affirmation based on a perceived correct performance.

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Speaker 3: There's a lot to unpack, isn't there? But maybe it's

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Speaker 3: just about letting kids be kids. You know, the basics

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Speaker 3: quite quite simple actually, and not exactly what you would

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Speaker 3: expect to hear when you go to church. And now

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Speaker 3: to the true face of the American left. Ah, the

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Speaker 3: Democrats at it again. Here is Jasmine Crockett's message for

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Speaker 3: Elon Musk.

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Speaker 12: If you could speak directly to Elon Musk, what would

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Speaker 12: you say there?

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Speaker 3: Ah? They never learned?

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Speaker 13: Do they?

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Speaker 3: Joining us? Now? Is journalist Bartier Unga Sagan Bartier, Nice

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Speaker 3: to chat to you again, Thank you for joining me.

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Speaker 3: Let's start with Donald Trump surprising visitors on a White

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Speaker 3: House tour. Have a look at this Welcome to the

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Speaker 3: White House?

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Speaker 12: Are does everybody having any good times?

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Speaker 9: How?

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Speaker 3: Then?

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Speaker 4: Moved?

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Speaker 8: Do I have?

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Speaker 13: No matter?

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Speaker 9: Where do you go? First?

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Speaker 8: Lady worked very hard and making it perfect, and I

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Speaker 8: think you're going to really love it. And I heard

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Speaker 8: you were here, let's stop by and said maybe someday

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Speaker 8: you'll be here as a president.

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Speaker 3: Right, You're gonna give them a special tour.

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Speaker 8: Okay, have fun everybody.

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Speaker 3: I love that, And as you can imagine, the tour

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Speaker 3: group was so excited they even started chanting Usa, Bartia.

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Speaker 3: How cool is that? I mean, that's an experience that

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Speaker 3: I will never forget. But I also think it shows

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Speaker 3: what sort of a person Donald Trump is.

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Speaker 13: Denigi, you are one hundred percent correct. This is a

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Speaker 13: man who loves the people, and you can just see

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Speaker 13: it in everything he does, everything he says, every executive

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Speaker 13: action he passes. He won because people could feel that love,

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Speaker 13: and it came in the form of a policy agenda

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Speaker 13: that reflected a deep respect for the American people and

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Speaker 13: for the dignity of working class Americans, something that had

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Speaker 13: disappeared from the American public sphere because the elites are

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Speaker 13: so disdainful of people who work with their hands for

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Speaker 13: a living.

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Speaker 12: And you can just see it. He just loves those people.

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Speaker 13: He really feeds off of their energy as a deep

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Speaker 13: and abiding respect and love for America and for the

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Speaker 13: American people, for the electorate, and it just comes out

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Speaker 13: in every all of these different ways where he can't

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Speaker 13: help himself but stop and talk to them. He truly

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Speaker 13: is the tribune of the plebs.

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Speaker 3: That's a really good way to put it. You're right,

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Speaker 3: he is a man of the people. You can just

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Speaker 3: say that, and they just love him. The fact that

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Speaker 3: they erupted in Usa. Now, Bartia, we've got to talk

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Speaker 3: about MSNBC. That network is absolutely falling apart. Of course,

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Speaker 3: after Joy Raid was axed, now fellow host Rachel Maadow

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Speaker 3: has lashed out at her own liberal media outlet over

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Speaker 3: the decision. Have a look at these.

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Speaker 10: I do not want to lose her as a colleague

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Speaker 10: here at MSNBC, and personally, I think it is a

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Speaker 10: bad mistake to let her walk out the door. It

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Speaker 10: is not my call and I understand that, but that's

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Speaker 10: what I think.

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Speaker 6: I will tell you.

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Speaker 10: It is also unnerving to see that on a network

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Speaker 10: where we've got two count of two non white hosts

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Speaker 10: in primetime. Both of our non white hosts in primetime

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Speaker 10: are losing their shows, as is Katie Fang on the Weekend.

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Speaker 10: And that feels worse than bad no matter who replaces now,

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Speaker 10: that feels indefensible.

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Speaker 3: Oh Jay's bat Yeah, are way witnessing the end of Msnbasa.

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Speaker 3: I mean, writings are atrocious as it is now, it

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Speaker 3: seems like the hosts of falling apart.

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Speaker 13: It's so funny that she accused them of being racist

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Speaker 13: for firing or canceling. They did not even fired canceling

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Speaker 13: the shows of two non white hosts. They were replaced

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Speaker 13: with three non white hosts, So you know, the whole

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Speaker 13: attempt to racialize this is ridiculous, but of course that

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Speaker 13: was always the case. The attempt to reracialize American life,

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Speaker 13: to turn Americans against each other based on race.

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Speaker 12: Was Joy Reads bread and butter.

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Speaker 13: And it's not separable from the fact that she made

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Speaker 13: millions and millions of dollars doing it.

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Speaker 12: Because wokeness was always a.

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Speaker 13: Smoke screen for the class divide. These hosts on cable

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Speaker 13: news shows, who make millions of dollars would sit there

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Speaker 13: and call Americans racist and try to turn us against

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Speaker 13: each other because they didn't want their extreme undeserved wealth

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Speaker 13: to be exposed, and so they would call anybody racist

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Speaker 13: or sexist, or homophobic or transphobic or what have you

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Speaker 13: who brought up the immense class divide that they were

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Speaker 13: benefiting from and enjoy Read really was the worst example

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Speaker 13: of this.

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Speaker 3: She certainly was. She was an absolute disgrace, and I mean,

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Speaker 3: I'm surprised it took them so long to get rid

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Speaker 3: of her in the first place. Now, look, the Trump

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Speaker 3: administration last week told all federal employees to respond to

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Speaker 3: an email asking them what they had achieved the previous

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Speaker 3: week or be fired. And while more than one million

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Speaker 3: workers across the departments of Transportation, Veterans, Affairs, and Small

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Speaker 3: business responded, a number of agencies actually instructed their staff

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Speaker 3: not to reply, including the Departments of Defense, Justice, and

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Speaker 3: the FBI. Bartia, why are these departments defying government orders?

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Speaker 13: It's really funny, you know. It turns out Elon Musk

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Speaker 13: is the Karen in chief. He's demanding to know what

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Speaker 13: you accomplished this week in an email. You know, obviously,

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Speaker 13: everybody wants government to work efficiently. Everybody wants to trim

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Speaker 13: the fat, everybody wants to get rid of people who

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Speaker 13: are not working. But this is just an added level

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Speaker 13: of bureaucracy here. Elon Musk has empowered a bunch of

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Speaker 13: extremely young, unexperienced people to actually defy the orders of

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Speaker 13: in some cases the State Department, and of course Marco Rubio, Tulci, Gabbard,

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Speaker 13: Pete Hegseth, a lot of people who are Trump loyalists,

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Speaker 13: who are telling their employees, look, just ignore this, like

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Speaker 13: this is just Elon Musk nonsense. And you know they

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Speaker 13: want to be in charge of their departments, and so

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Speaker 13: you know, there's really this sort of I don't think

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Speaker 13: it's attention. I don't think it's right to call it that,

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Speaker 13: But there is something developing here where within the ranks

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Speaker 13: of Trump loyalists, of the MAGA movement and of his appointees,

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Speaker 13: they're losing a little bit of patience with Elon Musk

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Speaker 13: needing to be in the headlines every single day of

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Speaker 13: him trying to undermine them and what they're trying to

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Speaker 13: achieve in their departments. You know, I think we can

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Speaker 13: trust Mark or Rubio and Pete hag Seth and Tulca

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Speaker 13: Gabbard to fire anybody who's not performing. But then again,

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Speaker 13: you know, Donald Trump said that he supports what Elon

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Speaker 13: Musk did, And there's a little bit of good cop

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Speaker 13: bad cop going on here too, right, because Donald Trump,

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Speaker 13: of course wants to cut the fat, but meanwhile it's

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Speaker 13: Elon Musk who's getting all the negative press for it.

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Speaker 13: So I think it's working to Trump's advantage.

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Speaker 3: I think so, toy, But I mean good, I just

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Speaker 3: said good on them for asking, you know, what are

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Speaker 3: you doing? I mean, he's trying to cut back these departments,

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Speaker 3: so he has every right to know what the workers

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Speaker 3: are up to now. I found this one quite shocking.

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Speaker 3: Barti out Federal Intelligence workers are being investigated for allegedly

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Speaker 3: abusing the NSA's internal messaging platform Interlink, using the agency's

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Speaker 3: official Diversity, Equity and Inclusion group Chat to talk about

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Speaker 3: sexual topics in graphic detail. Some of those topics included

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Speaker 3: experiences with gender reassignment surgery, hormone therapy, pronoun usage, and

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Speaker 3: some other others that were very graphic. But I've got

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Speaker 3: to say, Bartia, is this not another example as to

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Speaker 3: why these departments need a clean out?

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Speaker 9: Oh?

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Speaker 13: Yes, absolutely. I mean, look, there is so much waste

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Speaker 13: going on. If Elon Musk is really finding people who

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Speaker 13: have not been at work night, open their emails for

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Speaker 13: a year, not change their passwords for a year, these

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Speaker 13: people shouldn't be collecting a pecheck.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 13: We know that the average employee of the federal government

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Speaker 13: makes about one hundred and forty thousand dollars a year.

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Speaker 13: That's a very decent salary for not actually showing up

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Speaker 13: to work. So I agree with you, there's certainly fat

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Speaker 13: to be trimmed here.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's definitely fat to be trimmed. Now. Look, speaking

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Speaker 3: of DOGE twenty one employees of Elon Musk's Department of

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Speaker 3: Government Efficiency have actually now quit their jobs, writing in

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Speaker 3: a joint resignation letter, quote, we will not use our

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Speaker 3: skills as technologists to compromise core government systems, jeopardize americans

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Speaker 3: sensitive data, or dismantle critical public services. We will not

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Speaker 3: lend out expertise to carry out or legitimize Dog's actions. Look, Bartia,

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Speaker 3: I'm sure that you know Elon Musk doesn't care if

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Speaker 3: you're going to quit your jobs, But what do you

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Speaker 3: make of their response?

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Speaker 13: You know, you see this a lot on the left,

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Speaker 13: low level employees thinking that they run the police, and

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Speaker 13: in a lot of cases it's because they are given

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Speaker 13: and outside sense of their own importance, because there is

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Speaker 13: a sort of obsession with the approval of the young

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Speaker 13: on the left, and so you end up with a

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Speaker 13: situation where like interns will be writing, you know, public

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Speaker 13: open letters decrying their bosses, and it's so totally ridiculous.

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Speaker 13: You know, if you want to work for the government,

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Speaker 13: your number one job is to carry out what the

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Speaker 13: President of the United States asks you to do, what

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Speaker 13: your boss asks you to do.

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Speaker 12: So I think you're totally right.

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Speaker 13: I don't think Elon Musk is going to miss these people,

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Speaker 13: you know, like, don't let the door hit you on.

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Speaker 12: Your way out. But it is indicative of a much

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Speaker 12: larger problem.

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Speaker 13: There's only one thing they did say that I have

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Speaker 13: sympathy for, you know, the cutting spending. This is a

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Speaker 13: good thing. The fact that they don't want to do it,

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Speaker 13: come on, But there is a risk of compromising sensitive data,

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Speaker 13: and I do wish Elon Musk took that a little

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Speaker 13: bit more seriously.

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Speaker 3: Now, look, that is definitely a fair point. But yeah,

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Speaker 3: don't let the door hit you on your way out

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Speaker 3: because you can easily be replaced. That that's for sure. Now, Bartier,

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Speaker 3: it's been revealed that the same left wing groups who

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Speaker 3: were behind widespread anti Israel protests and the defund the

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Speaker 3: police movement are also behind those anti Doge protests that

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Speaker 3: we're seeing at the moment. And look, if you hadn't

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Speaker 3: guessed already, yes, our mate George Soros has had a

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Speaker 3: huge role in funding these lunatics. But you know, Bartier, again,

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Speaker 3: what does it say about the left and the narrative

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Speaker 3: that they're just trying to spin. They go from one

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Speaker 3: different protest to another.

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Speaker 12: Don't they you absolutely nailed it.

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Speaker 13: You know, the left used to be very justly the

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Speaker 13: side that was pushing for civil rights for black Americans.

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Speaker 13: When they achieved that, thank god, they moved on to

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Speaker 13: gay Americans.

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Speaker 12: Okay, we achieved that.

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Speaker 13: Then they moved on to trans Americans. Then when that

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Speaker 13: became you know, not thing, they moved onto illegal immigrants.

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Speaker 13: Then they moved on to Gaza, and now they're moving

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Speaker 13: on to Elon Musk. They just jump from one thing

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Speaker 13: to the next because they don't actually believe in any

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Speaker 13: of these causes. The whole point here is the moral

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Speaker 13: vanity of being able to sneer at and look down

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Speaker 13: at your fellow Americans for not being at the vanguard

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Speaker 13: of whatever crap is the cause doujour?

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Speaker 12: Is it environmentalism? Is it Trump?

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Speaker 13: Is literally Hitler right, whatever it is, they jump on

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Speaker 13: the bandwagon. These people don't think for themselves. They've lost

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Speaker 13: the ability to think critically. They worship experts and credentials,

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Speaker 13: and they just jump from one issue to the next

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Speaker 13: because they have lost their moral compass, and so they

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Speaker 13: look to the crowd, they look outside to Greta Thunberg,

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Speaker 13: you know, or whoever it is. That's leading the charge

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Speaker 13: on that day to tell them what to think and

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Speaker 13: what to believe, and where to sh show up for

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Speaker 13: the protest and what's square to post on their social

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Speaker 13: media because they've replaced a worldview based in rate versus

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Speaker 13: wrong with a worldview based on powerful versus powerless and

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Speaker 13: then superimposed race or gender or whatever on to it,

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Speaker 13: and so they just have no ability to think for

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Speaker 13: themselves anymore. And I think that's exactly what you're seeing here.

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Speaker 13: They've found a new target. They've just found a new target,

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Speaker 13: and now they're going after him.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's almost like they just want to make

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Speaker 3: themselves feel better by tying themselves and these in knots

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Speaker 3: of guilt, going from one different thing to another. It's

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Speaker 3: typical of the left's narrative. Now, look, let's talk about ICE,

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Speaker 3: because as it ramps up illegal migrant deportations in southern California,

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Speaker 3: activists in Los Angeles have begun posting the names, photos,

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Speaker 3: and personal information of ICE agents and warning neighborhoods of

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Speaker 3: imminent raids. But yeah, I'm not really sure firstly, what

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Speaker 3: they're trying to achieve here. I mean, by doing that,

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Speaker 3: that's doxing. But I don't know what they're trying to achieve.

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Speaker 3: In the end, what Donald Trump was elected on a

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Speaker 3: mandate to fix this boot out illegal immigrants. So they're

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Speaker 3: going to continue to do it whether they like it

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Speaker 3: or not.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, I mean, first of all, dosing is just disgusting.

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Speaker 13: Going after ICE agents is just disgusting. They're doing their jobs,

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Speaker 13: but also they are doing a job that the vast majority.

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Speaker 12: Of Americans want them to do.

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Speaker 13: The American people think that Tom Homan is a hero.

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Speaker 13: He is the perfect person for this job right now

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Speaker 13: because he doesn't care what anybody thinks about him. He

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Speaker 13: cares about what's best for the American people, and he

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Speaker 13: made that very clear. He shows up every day for

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Speaker 13: work with a smile on his face and you know,

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Speaker 13: just willing to kick butt. And that's what he's doing.

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Speaker 13: He is getting violent criminals out of our country. And

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Speaker 13: the fact that they are citing with the violent criminals

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Speaker 13: tells you everything you need to.

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Speaker 12: Know about the left right now.

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Speaker 13: AOC did not even know it was a crime to

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Speaker 13: enter the country illegally. Phil tom Holman told her that.

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Speaker 12: I mean, it's you know, the ignorance.

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Speaker 13: Coupled with hatred of working class Americans, utter contempt for

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Speaker 13: their fellow Americans, and a refusal to say, Hey, in

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Speaker 13: a democracy, the majority is supposed to get what they want.

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Speaker 13: And this is what the American people want.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and if you don't like it, leave. It's as

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Speaker 3: simple as that, because this is what the American people want.

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Speaker 3: But before we let you go, the Ukrainian President Voladimya

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Speaker 3: Zelenski is set to meet with Donald Trump in the

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Speaker 3: White House to sign off on a US minerals deal,

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Speaker 3: the terms of which have already been agreed to. Now.

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Speaker 3: Trump has demanded access to Ukraine's mineral resources to compensate

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Speaker 3: for the billions of dollars in war funding provided by

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Speaker 3: Joe Biden, and Ukraine hopes that agreeing to the deal

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Speaker 3: will actually help regain at the support of Washington. BADDI,

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Speaker 3: where do you see this meeting go go? Particularly given

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump's criticism of Ukraine in the past week.

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Speaker 13: Donald Trump got extremely angry at Vladimir Zelenski because I

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Speaker 13: think Trump assumed when he took office that it would

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Speaker 13: be Putin who would be reluctant to come to the table.

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Speaker 13: But Zelensky, who had been the recipient of two hundred

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Speaker 13: billion dollars of American taxpayer dollars would be very happy

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Speaker 13: and willing to come to the table to negotiate the

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Speaker 13: end to the war. And also that he would want

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Speaker 13: to repay the Americans in some way for our immense

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Speaker 13: generosity in backing them in this war. And I think

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Speaker 13: Donald Trump was very very surprised, shocked, and disappointed that

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Speaker 13: Vladimir Zelenski did not want to end the war and

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Speaker 13: did not want to repay the Americans in any way.

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Speaker 13: And so it led to Donald Trump saying very strict

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Speaker 13: things about Zelenski. Zelensky thankfully changed his tune. They're going

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Speaker 13: to sign this agreement and hopefully the United States will

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Speaker 13: get some of that money back.

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Speaker 3: I think the.

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Speaker 12: Meeting itself will go very well well.

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Speaker 13: Trump is a very forgiving person, I mean, for God's sake,

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Speaker 13: he has forgiven people who called him hitler. In fact,

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Speaker 13: ged Vans himself had been very strict, had very strong

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Speaker 13: words about Donal John Now he's Vice president of the

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Speaker 13: United States.

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Speaker 12: So I think the meeting will go very well. Donald

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Speaker 12: Trump hates war.

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Speaker 13: He sees himself as a peacemaker. He wants that Nobel

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Speaker 13: Peace Prize, which he one hundred percent deserves from his

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Speaker 13: first term in office. He's got his eye on the

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Speaker 13: prize and I think that he'll make peace between Ukraine

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Speaker 13: and Russia.

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Speaker 3: Well man, that's what he said during the election campaign.

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Speaker 3: He said that the war in Ukraine wouldn't have happened

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Speaker 3: under his watch. So it's like he's he's making good

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Speaker 3: form on what he had said. Bartia Unga Sagan, It's

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Speaker 3: always really nice to speak with you. Thank you so

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Speaker 3: much for joining me on the show this evening.

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Speaker 12: Thank you so much. Snikua, so great being here with you.

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Speaker 3: God bless you still to come and you survey has

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Speaker 3: exposed the horrific bullying rife in our schools. Claire Row

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Speaker 3: joins me next. Welcome back and joining me now as

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Speaker 3: child an adolescent psychologist and Sky News contributor Claire Row. Claire,

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Speaker 3: good to see you. Thank you for joining me. Let's

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Speaker 3: start with home schooling because research has found that it's

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Speaker 3: more than doubled in Australia over the last five years.

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Speaker 3: I thought this was interesting, Claire, because you know, homeschooling

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Speaker 3: was all most kids Eve knue during the COVID years.

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Speaker 3: But why do you think that this trend is still

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Speaker 3: on the rise.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, thanks, Tanika. I think it's huge.

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Speaker 2: I've never before in my career have I seen so

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Speaker 2: many parents pulling their kids out of mainstream schooling.

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Speaker 9: And I just don't think it's a passing trend. There's

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Speaker 9: a few reasons, I think.

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Speaker 2: First and foremost, I think it's a reflection of the

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Speaker 2: deep dissatisfaction with our current education system.

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Speaker 9: And I'm just seeing parents who usually would be very

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Speaker 9: happy with public schooling.

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Speaker 2: They went to public schooling themselves, they otherwise want their

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Speaker 2: kids to go to public schools. But between declining academic

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Speaker 2: standards for principally the lack of discipline, the classrooms I'm

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Speaker 2: hearing about are in absolute chaos, and then of course

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Speaker 2: this encroachment of ideological agendas into classroom. I'm seeing parents

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Speaker 2: who are kind of faced with this decision of like

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Speaker 2: loans and re mortgaging their house and taking up more

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Speaker 2: jobs to get their kids into the private system, or

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Speaker 2: they're saying, Claire, we've got to homeschool them because we

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Speaker 2: want them to catch up academically. We of course also

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Speaker 2: have this massive uptake with child anxiety, and I just

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Speaker 2: don't think that schools are handling that well. There is

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Speaker 2: a huge amount of particularly teenage girls who are refusing

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Speaker 2: to go to school, and after months and months of

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Speaker 2: missing out, their parents. Basically, you know they don't want

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Speaker 2: a homeschool, but it's a last ditch kind of option

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Speaker 2: to them.

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Speaker 9: And I think homeschooling may work for some, but it.

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Speaker 2: Should not be the only viable option left for parents

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Speaker 2: who simply want their kids to get a better education.

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Speaker 2: These are parents who are quitting their own jobs, turning

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Speaker 2: their lives on end, going into financial debt and ruin

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Speaker 2: to try and help their kids. And I think the

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Speaker 2: responsibility just falls back on this failing public education system

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Speaker 2: at the moment.

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Speaker 3: I absolutely agree, and it's such a shame as well

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Speaker 3: that it's come to this now. Across Australia, young kids

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Speaker 3: are going to school riddled with anxiety and fear over

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Speaker 3: what insidious bullying could await them after they enter the

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Speaker 3: school gates. According to news Corps Great Australian Parents survey,

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Speaker 3: almost half of Ozzie kids have been bullied at school,

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Speaker 3: sixteen percent have been bullied online, and at least seven

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Speaker 3: percent say it actually has led their child to have

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Speaker 3: suicidal thoughts. Claire. There are calls now for a national

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Speaker 3: standard to be developed to try and curb this. As

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Speaker 3: a child psychologist yourself, what do you think should be included?

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean it just it's not about what's included,

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Speaker 2: because I think we have spoken and spoken and spoken

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Speaker 2: about anti bullying. There are millions poured into the edge

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Speaker 2: caation system when it comes to programs and initiatives and

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Speaker 2: teaching kids about respectful relationships, and for decades now in

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Speaker 2: an educational manner and policies and procedures, we have spoken

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Speaker 2: about anti bullying.

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Speaker 9: For me, it's about when are we going to actually

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Speaker 9: implement things?

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Speaker 2: And it's much like you know, you talk about current

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Speaker 2: laws these days and whether they're actually implemented, and the

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Speaker 2: same thing goes for these policies of anti bullying. So look,

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Speaker 2: the number one thing I would suggest it has to

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Speaker 2: be included is we have to return to some type

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Speaker 2: of policy where there is not just a zero tolerance

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Speaker 2: for bullying, because we talk about that a lot.

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Speaker 9: But immediate and meaningful consequences to the perpetrators of bullying.

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Speaker 2: Now, I'm one who always says we don't want to

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Speaker 2: label every child negative interaction as bullying, because kids peak

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Speaker 2: on each other, they fight, But when it is targeted,

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Speaker 2: relentless harassment and intimidation targeted towards one student, and then

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Speaker 2: we get what they call this restorative justice approach, which

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Speaker 2: essentially means you sit the bully down with the victim

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Speaker 2: time and time again, and we have a nice chat

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Speaker 2: and we try to be friends again. When are we

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Speaker 2: going to actually just implement consequences to that bully for

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Speaker 2: their actions.

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Speaker 9: So that's got to be the first one.

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Speaker 2: And there's got to be accountability put back on schools.

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Speaker 9: Parents should have.

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Speaker 2: A clear pathway to escalate these concerns when bullying is

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Speaker 2: not addressed properly. And I have been contacted in recent

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Speaker 2: weeks by lawyers.

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Speaker 9: Of parents who are.

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Speaker 2: Now seeking legal advice on whether it would be appropriate

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Speaker 2: to sue schools for their lack of action on the

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Speaker 2: bullying towards their child. And of course you know the

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Speaker 2: poor mental health and outcomes for their children.

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Speaker 9: That they've been left with. So yeah, it's just about

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Speaker 9: less talk and more action.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, Look, something has to be done. I mean, clearly

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Speaker 3: it's out of control now when you're getting possible lawyers involved,

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Speaker 3: it's just it's ridiculous. It's come to this. We're almost

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Speaker 3: certain we don't want.

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Speaker 9: To go that way, right, We don't want to go

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Speaker 9: that way.

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Speaker 2: Like the US where everyone's everyone all the time. And

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Speaker 2: that's what I feel. But parents, they don't feel like

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Speaker 2: they've got any other options.

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Speaker 3: No, it's really sad. Look, Claire, we're almost out of time.

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Speaker 3: Just very quickly. Academics and students who attack Zionism can

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Speaker 3: be sanctioned for anti semitism under a common definition approved

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Speaker 3: by Australian universities, thirty of them actually to protect Jewish Australians. Claire,

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Speaker 3: How did it come to this where unis actually have

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Speaker 3: to agree on student safety.

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Speaker 9: Oh, it's ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, they're agree that people shouldn't be harassed, intimidated,

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Speaker 2: made to feel unwelcome because of their cultural race, and

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Speaker 2: now we need to hold drawn up policy and we

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Speaker 2: can't agree on the definitions and so forth.

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Speaker 9: I mean, it is long overdue, but I'll just.

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Speaker 2: Go back to the previous point and say, okay, we'll

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Speaker 2: put the policy in place. The policy has to educate

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Speaker 2: staff on university campuses of what do you do when

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Speaker 2: you see this anti semitism?

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Speaker 9: Is there a safe pathway for reporting it?

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Speaker 2: They need to educate students on what the con sequences

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Speaker 2: will be, and then they need to follow through on

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Speaker 2: those consequences.

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Speaker 9: So it's all good having a policy written up.

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Speaker 2: Unless there's action, people will just keep doing what they've

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Speaker 2: always done.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's just astounding that it's come to an

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Speaker 3: agreement that universities have to have. Unbelievable Clairo, good to

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Speaker 3: catch up. Thank you very much for joining me. That's

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Speaker 3: it from me. Up next is Newsnight, Good Night,