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Speaker 1: Hi, everybody, Welcome back to Tuesday's episode of Hotter than Yesterday.

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Speaker 1: Our guests actually canceled what's going to tell you who

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Speaker 1: it is? But you have to wait and see. So

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Speaker 1: we've got Blake here again to help me out. So

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Speaker 1: we're really just running on our feet.

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Speaker 2: Hello, and thank god this is not visual, because like

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Speaker 2: I think, I come not like dressed up, but I

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Speaker 2: usually come presentable.

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Speaker 3: Today's beautiful.

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Speaker 2: I'm in a hat. I never wear hats. That's like

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Speaker 2: it's a cry for like a mental health crisis.

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Speaker 3: Things. I'm going, well, if I'm wearing a.

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Speaker 1: Hat, oh, well, do we want to unpack these or No?

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Speaker 3: Things genuinely are fine, just like it's Friday.

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Speaker 1: It's Friday, it's to work from home day for you

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Speaker 1: as well. You weren't really prepared. No, you were prepared

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Speaker 1: to be off camera and I threw this on you

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Speaker 1: twenty minutes ago. So anyway, but there is so much

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Speaker 1: pop culture drama going on, so I feel like we

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Speaker 1: should just all unpack it speak about a few things

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Speaker 1: that are going on, because there's a lot, especially in

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Speaker 1: the artists world. I know, there's so much going on.

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Speaker 1: So I feel like I'm actually not really chronically online,

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Speaker 1: and that's kind of weird to say because it's like

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Speaker 1: my job. But I'm not necessarily a scroller because it

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Speaker 1: like sends me into anxiety. So some things Blake might

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Speaker 1: spring on me and I might not know when we

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Speaker 1: can unpack it together. And I'm going to put my

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Speaker 1: opinions in because opinions are like ourseholes and everyone has one,

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Speaker 1: and my asshole wants to be really big today apparently,

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Speaker 1: so I went to make a real credit open and

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Speaker 1: flicked me. It's Friday, It's silly Friday. We're all about

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Speaker 1: to clock off. Everyone's about to go to Derby Day.

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Speaker 1: I'm ready to have a fun weekend. Like it's just

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Speaker 1: gonna be a good.

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Speaker 2: Chill it it is, let's get the vibes going. I

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Speaker 2: find it really funny. I feel like we're opposeec I

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Speaker 2: do not post online, but I'm chronically online. Yeah, I

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Speaker 2: feel like I can really help you out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I think that's normally how it goes, Like

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Speaker 1: a lot of like I think you would be surprised

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Speaker 1: a lot of influences aren't up to date with things

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Speaker 1: because I think it's like already online enough. I'm not

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Speaker 1: going to like scroll heaps. Yeah, I'm so, I'm not

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Speaker 1: really a consumer.

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Speaker 2: And it's so now because like your biggest pop culture

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Speaker 2: story could be one that I have no idea about it. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Like there's like influencer beef in America and I almost

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Speaker 2: added it, but I did not have the time to

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Speaker 2: get my head around it, Whereas I feel like, maybe

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Speaker 2: you know about it.

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Speaker 1: Well, this was I think this is the first thing

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Speaker 1: to start. Do you know about the Halle Batcher drama?

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Speaker 3: This was it? So literally educate me.

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Speaker 1: Okay, this is a very very big topic. And I

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Speaker 1: love Halle, Like I think she's like one of my

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Speaker 1: favorite influencers. Like I will always watch her. I love

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Speaker 1: her podcast. It's like very chatty. It's just like very chill,

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Speaker 1: Like she doesn't glamorize anything. She's not super polished, and

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Speaker 1: that's like the type of people I love watching, especially

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Speaker 1: like as an American. Yeah I'm not an American, as she's

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Speaker 1: just like the people I love to watch. She kind

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Speaker 1: of posted, well, there was an episode from her podcast

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Speaker 1: Click posted saying that like the last two people that

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Speaker 1: to use a condom and she was like, sorry, I'm

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Speaker 1: with like both asked to use condoms both times, and

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Speaker 1: she was like, if ruin's the vibe, I don't like

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Speaker 1: having sex with condoms on. A lot of my friends

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Speaker 1: don't like having sex with condoms on, Like, I already

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Speaker 1: have a Marina, I'm already protected. I'm not gonna use that, like,

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Speaker 1: take your fucking condom on, I don't want it wrapped

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Speaker 1: Like come on, like, get over it. I have a Marina,

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Speaker 1: And everyone's like, that's not the fucking point, babe, Like,

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Speaker 1: first of all, you're in America. Yes, okay, maybe you

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Speaker 1: live in a state that has an abortion, but there's

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Speaker 1: a lot of states that can't have abortions. Yeah next

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Speaker 1: door may not, so yeah, like so stop preaching to

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Speaker 1: people about unprotected sex, Like, yes, you have a marina,

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Speaker 1: but some people don't and like, don't preach about that fast,

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Speaker 1: but then everyone's that is not even like the thing

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Speaker 1: we're speaking about. We're speaking about fucking STDs, bro, Like

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Speaker 1: that is why you use a condom as well. It's

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Speaker 1: not just to not get pregnant. Like, if you can

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Speaker 1: get an SDD. And there are so many sdds in

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Speaker 1: Wrap your fucking dick up, wrap it up.

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Speaker 2: And I find it funny that she's slept with these

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Speaker 2: I kind of look at that in like if the

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Speaker 2: mean you're not wearing one. Yes, if they wanted to, girl,

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Speaker 2: it's gotta let.

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Speaker 1: Them one hundred percent. Now theory my opinion on this. Again,

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Speaker 1: opinions are like ourseholes, so just like take what you

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Speaker 1: want with it. But I completely understand in over long

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Speaker 1: it's just between two people and that is your only

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Speaker 1: at getting pregnant and those things like pregnancy was out

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Speaker 1: you wouldn't mind keeping the baby. Not using save sex,

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Speaker 1: I think is okay because you're only having sex with

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Speaker 1: you don't have ScDs. Clemdia is out of the chat.

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Speaker 1: The CP is not there. Gonnorrhea ain't there. It's out there.

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Speaker 1: Herpes ain't there because you're sleeping with the same person consecutively.

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Speaker 1: But in Halley's situation, she's not sleeping with the same

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Speaker 1: person consecutively. And if you are, if you have a

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Speaker 1: little sneaky link, but then you're not loyal to that

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Speaker 1: sneaky link, you're then putting the other person other mail

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Speaker 1: or on fucking Tuesday and then sex with Johnny on Thursday.

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Speaker 1: And if you didn't have safe sex with Johnny with Bobby,

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Speaker 2: And you don't know any of that rosters. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 2: like it's do it your own risk.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and Bobby might put be sleeping with Sarah on Monday,

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Speaker 1: and then he's putting you a risk. I wanted a

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Speaker 1: research assignment back in my Uni days about herpes. One

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Speaker 1: in three people have herpes. It is so common to

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Speaker 1: spread if you have. This is really educational for you guys.

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Speaker 1: If you have a cold sal you know that's herpes, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So if you then give oral sex, I'm really going

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Speaker 1: not even have it, Like it's might not even come

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Speaker 1: I already have community issues, so intimacy issues. So I'm

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Speaker 1: fucking going far away and clear for anything with male substance.

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Speaker 1: But substance but like genitalia. Yeah, oh men disgust me, yuck,

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Speaker 1: you go to therapy. But also, herpies is also something

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Speaker 1: So wrap it up.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's just not I have a girlfriend when I

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Speaker 2: met her in Uni, she has lifelong herpes because her

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's the thing. Yeah once once you have it.

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Speaker 1: And that's the thing is like people always go, oh,

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Speaker 1: you someone listening to this podcast that has herpees. There's

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Speaker 1: nothing wrong, No, with her pies. There's absolutely nothing wrong.

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Speaker 1: what Hallie was speaking about. You need to be protecting

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Speaker 2: And I think herpies is a thing where a lot

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Speaker 2: of people are just like, I don't have that, or

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Speaker 2: So I think we're only drumming in on it because

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Speaker 2: it's super like yeah, prevalent and it can happen, and it's.

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Speaker 1: Not something like chlamydia where you can get a treatment

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Speaker 1: for and you never have it again, like yes, okay,

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Speaker 1: getting the clap or BV or something like that. It's

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Speaker 1: not something you ideally want, but you can treat it

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Speaker 1: to ever be ashamed of because a lot of the

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Speaker 1: time it's not even your vault. Just practice safe sex.

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Speaker 1: If you're not sleeping with one consecutive person and only

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Speaker 1: one consecutive person, I think pull that game is also

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Speaker 1: not reliable. So wrap it up, wrap it up. It's

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Speaker 1: not hard, or don't even have sex like me, become

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Speaker 1: a reborn budge Mary, either one.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I have a story for you. Are you across

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Speaker 2: a Lily Allen album?

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Speaker 1: I'm so across this. I've got screenshots of the lyrics.

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Speaker 1: I like.

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Speaker 2: So obviously she disappeared for a hot manner. Yeah, fell

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Speaker 2: from grace, So like this revitalization and just her appearing

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Speaker 2: in front of us in this way is just like

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Speaker 2: so epic to me. It's my main story of the week.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so correct me if I'm wrong. This is the

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Speaker 1: storyline that I know. So, she was married to David Harper,

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Speaker 1: who is the father on Stranger Things? Is that who

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Speaker 1: father figure? He's a father figure on Stranger Things. I

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Speaker 1: haven't watched Stranger Things, but this man their marriage was.

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Speaker 3: Not something I want.

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Speaker 1: And and she has now released an album that she's

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Speaker 1: gone through a divorce with this man, and we know

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Speaker 3: It's a hot mess, but I'm loving her.

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Speaker 1: But even like this whole stuff has now resurfaced them

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And just the way she looks at him when

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I'm like, everyone's like, release her from this jail.

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Speaker 1: There's also another song that I thought was I'm like, yeah, tee, Lily,

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Speaker 1: is the dojo. The reality is that she's discovering sex toys, condoms,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and a box of letters. That's the main thing

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Speaker 1: All of those, like I just respect her so much. Like,

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Speaker 3: I know.

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Speaker 2: And this is how she first got famous as well,

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Speaker 3: She does not mess around. She like cuts deep into

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Speaker 1: Live the sick yeah everyone has and everyone can relate

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Speaker 2: And I think, what's making me so happy of this?

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Speaker 2: And we'll touch on backlash quickly, But I think she's

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Speaker 2: she's not as famous anymore, and I think, you know,

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Speaker 2: when you get to that age she's turning forty, you

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Speaker 1: And it's so iconic because she's released just before the

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Speaker 1: But a few.

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Speaker 3: Things have come up.

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Speaker 2: People are now digging up Lily's backyard.

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Speaker 3: Let's call it. Are you across? As Zoe Krabat saying.

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Speaker 1: So.

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Speaker 2: In her book Lily's a few years ago, she spoke

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Speaker 2: about kissing Zoe Krabat, saying that they made out at

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Speaker 3: Zoe than when I believe on Andy.

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Speaker 2: Cohen and she got asked about it and she goes

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Speaker 2: by kiss you mean her aggressively forcing herself on me.

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Speaker 2: She's getting a lot of backlash there hasn't really responded

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Speaker 2: very disturbing little part of the story. But the main

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Speaker 2: She admitted that that ended due to cheating. Whereas she

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Speaker 1: Ah, it's like, yeah, two rites don't make a wrong baby.

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Speaker 1: You can't fucking be doing that. And then out in

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Speaker 2: Like, Yeah, I think the only grace I'll give her

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Speaker 2: it's obviously a very different story. You know, I'm not

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Speaker 2: excusing things, but like cheating on your boyfriend verse experiencing cheating,

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Speaker 2: but you're a mum and you're in a marriage of

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like context is a really good thing when it

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Speaker 1: and they're like, oh, but it's like Lily Allen, like

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Speaker 2: It changes the narrative, but it doesn't. It really depends

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Like Okay, for example, you me and Norah all

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Speaker 1: fuck would you think in your mind, that's no one

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Speaker 2: No, and my girlfriends do it all the time. And

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Speaker 2: it's not like a makeout like he's not into it,

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Speaker 2: but like they'll pack him for a bit of fun.

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Speaker 1: But what if another gay, gay gay male did it

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Speaker 1: as for fun? Yeah? Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, so fair.

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Speaker 1: But it's like I don't really know. I just find

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Speaker 1: it weird. Why do you get off of like women

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Speaker 3: Yeah, respond if you're listening.

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Speaker 1: Yeah I'm interested. It's like, oh, yeah, I hooked up

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you fucking kiss the girl.

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Speaker 2: I don't like girls. And my boyfriend finds it's so

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Speaker 1: If someone said that to me, Oh, I was good

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Speaker 1: at a leak so much. There was this one situation where

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Speaker 1: and we're at a festival and we're all dancing. Next second,

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Speaker 3: Like what I'm so intrigued. Now.

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Speaker 1: I was so confused, but I was like, I feel

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Speaker 3: Your prop Yeah, i'd be the same.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I just find it.

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Speaker 3: Really it's a bit performative if you're like.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's like you can't kiss her no, or me, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but I can kiss her.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think it's maybe is it? Because like, technically you

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Speaker 3: But intrigue, it doesn't.

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Speaker 1: It just doesn't make sense in my mind, like preferably,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we haven't landed anywhere, but if you're listening, please

434
00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:48,840
Speaker 2: like clarify this for us.

435
00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:51,119
Speaker 3: Yeah we could be missing like a really crucial point.

436
00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:54,960
Speaker 1: And then let us know why you think your girlfriend

437
00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:59,000
Speaker 1: kissing other girls are hot is hot? And why people

438
00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:02,520
Speaker 1: do it? Because surgeon Mary over here, let us know.

439
00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:10,119
Speaker 1: I don't know anything. So another big news in the

440
00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:17,399
Speaker 1: pop culture drama artist drama dish tracks is Charlie XCX.

441
00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:19,480
Speaker 3: I'm so team Charlie.

442
00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:23,240
Speaker 1: I will also agree with you. I'm not the biggest

443
00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:26,840
Speaker 1: Charlie xx girl, But then I saw her at Coachella

444
00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:30,880
Speaker 1: and I'm appreciately a brat so good love her, so hot,

445
00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:33,520
Speaker 1: so cool, She's a vibe. I also so much respect

446
00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:35,199
Speaker 1: for her that she's like a big famous person, but

447
00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:37,480
Speaker 1: like she literally just got married to her husband, like

448
00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:40,359
Speaker 1: in like a church in England, and then they went

449
00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:41,639
Speaker 1: to the pub after and.

450
00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:45,000
Speaker 2: Like so much fun, handed cigarettes out to all their guests,

451
00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:46,840
Speaker 2: like so much fun.

452
00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:51,679
Speaker 1: Like respect, Charlie, My love for you has grown over time. Taite.

453
00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:54,760
Speaker 1: We we have.

454
00:21:56,600 --> 00:22:01,159
Speaker 2: Differing values, but I saw something of you online this week, Sam.

455
00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:05,560
Speaker 1: Keep it one hundred up the lamb the sea, the stunt.

456
00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:07,199
Speaker 3: Thing that really shocked me.

457
00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:10,240
Speaker 2: I either watch it like three times to make sure

458
00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:12,679
Speaker 2: you there wasn't a gun to your head, or like

459
00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:13,480
Speaker 2: it was actually you.

460
00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:17,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't eat it's a fear lear It's just

461
00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:20,439
Speaker 1: a catchy song. It's just catchy. I haven't listened to

462
00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:22,240
Speaker 1: the song through and through. It's just like when I

463
00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:24,080
Speaker 1: catch myself on the four you page, I'm like.

464
00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:28,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I really like open lighte randomly, don't ask

465
00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:29,879
Speaker 2: me to singer because I now forget how it is.

466
00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:32,840
Speaker 1: Isn't that Oh no, Aphelia is They're kind of the same.

467
00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:35,520
Speaker 1: This is a problem, right right, Yes, I don't know

468
00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:38,359
Speaker 1: anything else in the album, but yeah, I'm just not

469
00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:42,520
Speaker 1: a big fan. I respect the large cult and I'm

470
00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:45,199
Speaker 1: not here to offend anyone. I completely understand why the

471
00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:49,280
Speaker 1: Tate hype is real. She's such a successful woman, girl power,

472
00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:52,760
Speaker 1: love all of it. I just was never a big Tate. No.

473
00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:54,960
Speaker 2: She came out when she was young, and I feel

474
00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:56,880
Speaker 2: like you either had to jump on that bus when

475
00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:58,720
Speaker 2: we're all young age, but I missed her.

476
00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:01,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just was like never, like I was a

477
00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:04,800
Speaker 1: big fergie girl, fergy black eyed peas. I think that's

478
00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:06,560
Speaker 1: because I grew up with my brothers, and my brothers

479
00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:08,520
Speaker 1: would be like, no fucking way, we're not putting Tata

480
00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:10,639
Speaker 1: and we're putting black eyed peas on. Yeah, so it

481
00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:13,440
Speaker 1: was more like the area that I was in. But yeah,

482
00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:17,080
Speaker 1: I don't really like love Tate. Maddie Dylan always gets

483
00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:20,520
Speaker 1: mad at me because she's like tatastance. She's got like

484
00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:23,160
Speaker 1: a Tayta tattoo on her and like she loves.

485
00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:25,320
Speaker 3: Tay There's always one in your life.

486
00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:27,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like tagged your in that video and she's like,

487
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:29,840
Speaker 1: I'm so proud of you for lacking this and I was.

488
00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:33,920
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, I can pretty easily unpack this beat because

489
00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:38,479
Speaker 2: I'm pretty well across it. So, Charlie's husband is in

490
00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:43,080
Speaker 2: the nineteen seventy five and Taylor used to date Matt Healley, Yes,

491
00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:44,399
Speaker 2: also in the nineteen.

492
00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:48,400
Speaker 1: Nineteen seventy five. And in twenty twenty four, Charlie released

493
00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:52,000
Speaker 1: a song or an album, and then in the song

494
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:56,480
Speaker 1: Sympathy is a Knife, she made a dig at Taylor Swift,

495
00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:59,159
Speaker 1: saying I don't want to see her backstage and my

496
00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:02,200
Speaker 1: boyfriend show fingers crossed behind my back. I hope they

497
00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:02,760
Speaker 1: break up.

498
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:03,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, so she was.

499
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:06,879
Speaker 1: Like behind the scenes, like not rooting for Tita and

500
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:08,639
Speaker 1: Matt Heally.

501
00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:09,600
Speaker 3: Yeah.

502
00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:12,080
Speaker 2: And I've listened to that song. I actually quite like it.

503
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,159
Speaker 2: I think it was just a very honest song and

504
00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:16,560
Speaker 2: I think what she was trying to express she hasn't

505
00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:18,800
Speaker 2: told me this, I can't confirm.

506
00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:19,320
Speaker 1: No, she texted it.

507
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:23,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think it's a song about feeling insecure

508
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:27,520
Speaker 2: around people who are maybe your peers, but more successful

509
00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:30,040
Speaker 2: than you. I think at that point We've always known

510
00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:33,240
Speaker 2: Charlie XCX, but she's never had this moment until now

511
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:36,800
Speaker 2: where she opened for Taylor Swift at her concerts.

512
00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:37,560
Speaker 1: Yes they did.

513
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:42,240
Speaker 2: Hey, Yeah, Like it's always been very disproportionate, and Taylor's

514
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:45,520
Speaker 2: obviously just like become a megastar and Charlie's just waited

515
00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:48,879
Speaker 2: patiently for her time. So absolutely I understand that feeling

516
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:52,399
Speaker 2: of insecurity. And we talk about envy vs. Jealousy, yes

517
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:54,560
Speaker 2: a lot, Like I really do see it, and I

518
00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:56,440
Speaker 2: think it can be healthy to feel.

519
00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:58,280
Speaker 3: That way and be honest about it as well.

520
00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:02,720
Speaker 1: Yes, but I'm not saying that I think Taita did

521
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:06,679
Speaker 1: help her out so much. Definitely that then kind of

522
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:09,680
Speaker 1: making a dig that's a little low.

523
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:13,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, And you of course feel ten times more betrayed

524
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:17,680
Speaker 2: by the guy's friend group when you go through a breakup.

525
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:21,080
Speaker 2: So like probably knowing that Charlie had ill feelings towards

526
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:24,119
Speaker 2: her in the context of them both being with a

527
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:26,840
Speaker 2: band member and probably seeing each other a lot, Yeah,

528
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:27,639
Speaker 2: that would sting.

529
00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:31,720
Speaker 1: Yes, So Tita clapped back.

530
00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:33,200
Speaker 3: She went crazy.

531
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,760
Speaker 2: She always has one song on every album. Last one

532
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:39,479
Speaker 2: was Kim. This one's Charlie remembers thank you. Amy and

533
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:43,080
Speaker 2: she like capitalized the kay I am in that. Yeah,

534
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:45,760
Speaker 2: she always has like a scratch to itch each album.

535
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:48,400
Speaker 1: And I think this is why I have a bit

536
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:50,560
Speaker 1: of a bone to pick with Taita, because I think

537
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:56,399
Speaker 1: she's always known as like this amazing girl's girl, Like

538
00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:01,080
Speaker 1: she's like preaching, singing to the choir about girls, girl

539
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:05,200
Speaker 1: and everything like this. And I'm also so ridiculed online

540
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:07,679
Speaker 1: apparently I'm not a girl's girl, but I am. But

541
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:10,600
Speaker 1: she's like always like girl power, girl boss, girl power.

542
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:15,679
Speaker 1: But she's constantly making songs digging at women. So it's like,

543
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 1: what are you preaching? Are you practicing what you're preaching?

544
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,960
Speaker 1: But these songs that these fourteen like seven year olds

545
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:24,679
Speaker 1: are singing and dissing are the women. But then you

546
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:28,480
Speaker 1: I think she like she puts fucking gasoline on the

547
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 1: fire lights it and then goes what a me?

548
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:32,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, and disine, I don't know who did that?

549
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 1: Selena? Was that you? Kendall? Was that you? No, Travis,

550
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:41,920
Speaker 1: come come rescue me. It's like, Babe, you put gasoline

551
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:43,320
Speaker 1: in it and you lit it up, and then you're

552
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:46,399
Speaker 1: gonna go everyone go get your sick can cowgo boots on?

553
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 1: And let's go rodeo to it and pretend that I

554
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 1: just didn't say that.

555
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:51,240
Speaker 3: And hand out friendship bracelet.

556
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:55,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, and yes, you can absolutely let your feelings be

557
00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 2: known in the song.

558
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 3: I don't have a problem with that.

559
00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:59,280
Speaker 2: But then in the same albums, which are mostly around

560
00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:02,240
Speaker 2: her exit, she can equally in those songs say you

561
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:04,200
Speaker 2: were the best thing, you made me so happy, but this.

562
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 3: Really broke my heart La la Lah.

563
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:08,479
Speaker 2: But then with the women, she's actually like, naw, fuck you,

564
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:10,199
Speaker 2: you rule my life. Yeah she did not say that,

565
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 2: of course, but the tone of these songs are so aggressive.

566
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 1: It's like keep a storyline. And I think that's why

567
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 1: it's like she can like this woman. I feel I

568
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 1: can get away with bloody murder like because then it's like,

569
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:23,199
Speaker 1: goes on the thing. I'm like, I feel like Taylor

570
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:26,480
Speaker 1: and Selena are like two yeah, and then it's like

571
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:29,719
Speaker 1: Hailey is on the other side, and Hailey's always villainized,

572
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 1: which is why I sympathize with Haley. But you've never

573
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 1: seen Haley make it. Has she made a Dick's.

574
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:39,680
Speaker 3: Made I would say no, but people probably want to

575
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 3: kill me for that.

576
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:46,159
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say she's made overtly digs like others.

577
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 2: Have, Yeah, and maybe subliminal ones where I think, and

578
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:51,720
Speaker 2: so funny that we're moving on to this because like

579
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:54,679
Speaker 2: my top line, my top top point in our working

580
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 2: document is at Sam we literally first bonded over this

581
00:27:57,800 --> 00:27:59,679
Speaker 2: feud and it's still ef thing going.

582
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:04,680
Speaker 1: It will go into beyond when they're in this grave. Yeah,

583
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 1: and Selena.

584
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:07,920
Speaker 2: What I was going to say is I think Selena's

585
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 2: fans are the problem. I think nine times out of

586
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 2: ten they've blown everything up. I think the reason we're

587
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 2: speaking about this now because I thought it was over,

588
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,160
Speaker 2: but it's obviously not. Hailey was on a red carpet

589
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 2: she got asked a question about Road and Selena being

590
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:27,639
Speaker 2: competitive with other celebrities. Ladida, her publicist, went to stop

591
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:31,200
Speaker 2: the question, and Hailey just said, no, I don't feel

592
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 2: competitive with people I'm not inspired by. I never asked

593
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 2: to be compared to her, and I don't find that fair.

594
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 2: Minutes after it is like top news on the Internet,

595
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:42,400
Speaker 2: and then that's.

596
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 1: A good response. Though.

597
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:45,479
Speaker 2: I liked it, but as soon as I read it,

598
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 2: I was like, I know where this is going to go.

599
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:50,720
Speaker 1: Yes, but I just think I'm like, we constantly just

600
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 1: pin women against women. Yeah, and we go so far

601
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 1: back in where we're ever meant to go with women

602
00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 1: becoming accessful and putting their trademark on things, because it's

603
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 1: like everyone just fuels their life off beef. And that's

604
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 1: the problem of like I can even feel like we

605
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 1: always speak about how Melbourne's such a small world where

606
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 1: it's like I hear rumors about myself and stuff like that,

607
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 1: and the only reason why it gets worse is because

608
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 1: other people are speaking about it, yeah, and I'm not.

609
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:22,960
Speaker 1: And like imagine on a scale of like how famous

610
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 1: these people are in the whole world where it's like, yeah,

611
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 1: the fans for them would just make it worse.

612
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 3: Yeah.

613
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 2: And I think in like Australia, say something's going on,

614
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 2: say with you, Like, I think it would take like

615
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 2: three days worth of comments for it to build traction,

616
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 2: Whereas Hayley probably answered this question left the event and

617
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:45,239
Speaker 2: they were already already likee hundred articles about it. But

618
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 2: Selena has responded and this has riled me up. I

619
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:50,960
Speaker 2: thought it was fake when I first saw it. Just

620
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 2: posted a blank Instagram story and deleted it like two

621
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 2: hours after which she seems to do all the time.

622
00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 2: Just leave the girl alone. She can say whatever she

623
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 2: ones doesn't affect my life whatsoever? Or does it's just

624
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 2: about relevance, not intelligence.

625
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 3: Be kind?

626
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 2: Oh really, all brands inspire me. There is room for everyone,

627
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 2: and hopefully we can all stop.

628
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 1: Wait what did Haley say again?

629
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:20,120
Speaker 2: She just said I don't get competitive with people slash

630
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 2: things I'm not inspired by, which I hope she didn't

631
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 2: mean that.

632
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 3: As a dig.

633
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 2: Like I actually think she's a really sweet human, which

634
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 2: might be my problem, but like, yeah, I do see

635
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 2: Waite Selena's fans probably gassed her up to be like,

636
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 2: oh share.

637
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:37,719
Speaker 3: This bitch said this.

638
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 1: People need to take a leaf out of Kim Kardashian's

639
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 1: book drafted up in your notes and don't fucking post it.

640
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, And like I don't want to be encouraging people

641
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 2: to do this, but I think Kim just like gas

642
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 2: lights and she's like no, I'm over that.

643
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 3: No, no, no, and like yeah, like.

644
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 1: And I think that's like I've even said, like sometimes

645
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm more open to criticism online and

646
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 1: like subject to it because people know I'm vulnerable. Yeah,

647
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 1: so it's like I'm going to push it where and

648
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 1: then they poke the bear and I'm like, fuck, that

649
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 1: really hurt. But like Kim poker Face, Yeah, nothing, you

650
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 1: don't know what effects, So you don't know what it

651
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 1: does because it's like she doesn't give it airtime.

652
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 2: So it's like, oh, I have wondered about that, but like,

653
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 2: consider this pretty much her formal introduction to the world

654
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 2: was her porn video.

655
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, surely after that.

656
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 1: You're like, yeah, she's like on bullet Bruce, you.

657
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 3: Can't fucking hurt me. No, I'm good.

658
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, nothing left for you to see. Yeah, you've seen

659
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 2: it and you know it all.

660
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 1: Like she just really does not take the bait, and

661
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 1: I like respect it so much of her.

662
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 2: I think what I struggle with Selena's responds, and I

663
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 2: struggle with her overall. I think she's a kindness warrior.

664
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 2: But there's always a sentence or two that leaves things

665
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 2: open to interpretation and gossip and it doesn't completely flatten

666
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 2: it or just kill it and nip it in the bar.

667
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like you literally could just like I'm married,

668
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 1: she's married. I'm fine, she's fine. Put it to sleep.

669
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 1: But they've never done that, never, And I pray for

670
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 1: the day because I'm over it. I think we all

671
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 1: are no, apparently not clearly not. I think the last

672
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,239
Speaker 1: thing that we should end off on, seeing that we

673
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 1: are podcasting is the Alex Earl and Alex Cooper drama.

674
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 3: Another thing I'm very across see.

675
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 1: I'm not too across it. I obviously know that hot

676
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 1: Mess was once a thing of the Unwell Network, which

677
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 1: Alex Cooper founded, which has got like call her Daddy

678
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 1: extra Dirty, Melana Agi, Harry Josey's One, like all of

679
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 1: those things, and then suddenly hot Mess blit stop. I

680
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 1: think it was something to do with because Alex manages

681
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 1: Alex father's her manager, and I think there was something

682
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 1: to do with something like that without accents and stuff,

683
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 1: and I think there would have been so many millions

684
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 1: of views with Alex Earl. I think Alex Cooper low

685
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 1: key became a little bit threatened by Alex Earl. Yeah,

686
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 1: it was kind of like keep your friends close, but

687
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 1: your enemies closer type thing. It was kind of like

688
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 1: following my footsteps. But I think then Alex Earl's dad

689
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 1: would have been like, no, you're doing this.

690
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 2: And I think the difference is it's not like Alex

691
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:30,719
Speaker 2: Cooper acquired alex L's podcast like it was when Alex

692
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 2: was at the Heights, like when she was just popping off.

693
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 2: She kind of designed this show for her. It was

694
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 2: going really well. I don't know what it was comparing

695
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 2: to on the charts with Call Her Daddy, but I

696
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 2: think strategically Hot Mess was never going to be bigger

697
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 2: than Call Her Daddy if she was under her network.

698
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 1: Yes, one hundred, but I really really do not respect

699
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 1: what Alex Cooper has done post this whole thing.

700
00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 3: No, I'm very disappointed, so.

701
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 1: Am I I think after the whole Sophia thing that

702
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 1: she went through with Sophia when they both obviously had

703
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 1: Called Her Daddy, I think everyone kind of was like,

704
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 1: could have just been a one off situation. But I

705
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:12,319
Speaker 1: think the digs and the undertones that she's had when

706
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:15,760
Speaker 1: she knows she's such an influential person, especially to young women,

707
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:18,439
Speaker 1: and the stuff that she's made towards Alex Earl, your

708
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 1: careers are going on two different trajectories. I don't think

709
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 1: ever Alex Oh wanted to be the biggest podcaster. I

710
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 1: think she just wanted a way to connect with her

711
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:26,759
Speaker 1: audience and it was never a competition for her. But

712
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:29,760
Speaker 1: I think Alex made it. Alex Cooper made it a

713
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 1: competition with herself. Low key thinkink that alex was a

714
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 1: part of it, and I just think like, okay, how

715
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 1: much time like that TikTok? When Alex l responded being like,

716
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:41,319
Speaker 1: how much time do you have? When they're speaking about it,

717
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 1: I don't think that's that bad.

718
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:43,720
Speaker 3: Yeah.

719
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 2: Do you know the background of that though? No, So

720
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 2: remember alex Earl hate the Bothams. Yeah, so I should

721
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:54,839
Speaker 2: have said that earlier. She posted a TikTok one day

722
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:56,759
Speaker 2: and I don't think this is a correct app but

723
00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 2: something to the extent of my astrologists or my co

724
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:03,239
Speaker 2: stars said I can go crazy to that. Yes, and

725
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 2: the top comment was what happened between you and Alex Cooper?

726
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:08,839
Speaker 3: She responds, how much time do you have?

727
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 1: Yeah? I remember watching the video. Yeah, but I didn't

728
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:12,319
Speaker 1: think it was that bad.

729
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 3: Yeah.

730
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 2: Well, to add insult to injury, alex El's first Dancing

731
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 2: with the Stars dance was Circus.

732
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:22,720
Speaker 1: This is what I think is really really bad? Yeah,

733
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 1: because share it was Circus by Britney Spears. And then

734
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 1: Alex Cooper did this thing in Las Vegas for the

735
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 1: on One network and had all the things, and then

736
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:35,759
Speaker 1: she also played Circus by Britney Spears and what was

737
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:36,840
Speaker 1: the caption caption?

738
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 3: How much time do you have? Because we could go

739
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 3: all night?

740
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was.

741
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,799
Speaker 2: There were a few things that I struggled with, Like

742
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 2: I think the fact she also got other huge influences

743
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 2: on that video.

744
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's of us, and I don't think

745
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 1: it's like not that nice. No, And it's like Alex, oh,

746
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 1: he's on fucking Dancing with the Stars right now. Yeah,

747
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 1: Like again, it comes down to stop pinning women against women.

748
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,839
Speaker 1: Why are we doing this? There's two so successful, such

749
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 1: successful women in business in the influencing industry, they're doing

750
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:14,359
Speaker 1: great things for women. Why are you pinning each other

751
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 1: against each other?

752
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:18,239
Speaker 3: And on the internet so much? Like I'm a big

753
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 3: fan of both, Yes.

754
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:21,320
Speaker 1: But I've lost respect for Alex Cooper.

755
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:23,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think she was never exempt from the

756
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 2: Sophia stuff like that has always been a crack in

757
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 2: her story and something you look back on and you're like, what.

758
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 3: Is the truth there? Yes, are you as good as

759
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 3: we think you are?

760
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:36,959
Speaker 1: Were you guilty in that situation? And then I think

761
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:40,359
Speaker 1: this is whole things come up and it's undertones that

762
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 1: she's making it towards alex Earl, I'm like, this is

763
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 1: not helping you battle.

764
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:48,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, when she's done episodes, you know, rallying on the

765
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:52,479
Speaker 2: streets in support of not having abortion be legal. Yeah,

766
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:55,239
Speaker 2: be illegal. I can't find my words today, like you

767
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 2: could be. And she does do so much more impactful

768
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,120
Speaker 2: and important things. Is this going to be the all

769
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 2: your day on alex L? Who's hurting nobody? Sorry, you

770
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:06,840
Speaker 2: mightn't like her because of whatever went on in the background.

771
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 1: But that's business base.

772
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:08,760
Speaker 3: You can both exist.

773
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,840
Speaker 1: And like as I was saying before before we started

774
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 1: this podcast and Bake came, is like the most rich

775
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 1: and successful people didn't get to the top by making

776
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:22,240
Speaker 1: sure they had good relationships with everyone. Bill Gates, someone

777
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 1: fucking hates him out there, someone fucking hates him.

778
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:30,840
Speaker 3: So what Let it be Taylor Swift for example, Yes.

779
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 1: Let them leave, let them buy Mel Robbins and even

780
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 1: more Robin She's so successful, but someone fucking hates her

781
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 1: out there.

782
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 2: Her debt collector, I think she was in like eighteen million,

783
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 2: eight million dollars debt or something there you go on

784
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:45,399
Speaker 2: that figure or something like that.

785
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 1: Like, I have so many fucking haters, shut out, use

786
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:55,360
Speaker 1: a six one four six nine six one two like shout.

787
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 3: The fuck out, you know, help you like this out?

788
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 1: Yeah? I feel like that's enough drama for today's episode.

789
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 1: Thank you guys so much for tuning in. Let us

790
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 1: know what you think.

791
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 3: This was fun. We need to do this more.

792
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:08,799
Speaker 1: I think with this is a month and month once

793
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 1: a month catch up Pops culture. Because I lokely eat

794
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 1: this up and.

795
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:13,840
Speaker 2: I prep a lot for our episodes. I've had my

796
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 2: laptop close. This is like the best way to end

797
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:16,399
Speaker 2: my week.

798
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:16,880
Speaker 3: So thank you.

799
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:19,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, nice little chat to end off the week. Perfect.

800
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 1: All right, guys, we'll see you next Tuesday on Hotter

801
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:29,280
Speaker 1: Than Next Week. Goodbye,