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Speaker 1: Let's talk about poker machines and a study underway by

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Speaker 1: the Member for Light, Tony Piccolo, a light taking in

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Speaker 1: northern suburbs Galler, et cetera, and he is looking at

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Speaker 1: the impact that electronic gaming machines pokeyes have on low

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Speaker 1: income communities. Tony Piccolo, good morning.

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Speaker 2: Goodwadying, Matthew, and good morning to your listeners.

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Speaker 1: Do we not know this already?

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Speaker 2: Well, I'll just put in some context. The reason I'm

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Speaker 2: looking into this is that I've been told there'll be

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Speaker 2: an application shortly put before the Elecal Licensing Commission for

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Speaker 2: another venue to be licensed to have gaming machines in

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Speaker 2: the City of Paper which is in that portion of

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Speaker 2: the city which is actually my electorate, and that once

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Speaker 2: application is largely I have three weeks to put in

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Speaker 2: a response to that application. So I'm just making sure

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Speaker 2: I have a full understanding and can have the data

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Speaker 2: and the arguments supporting that. I think overall the community

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Speaker 2: would hold the view that props there some problems with gaming,

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Speaker 2: but I need to need to prove that case to

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Speaker 2: a commissioner or a court as the case court, as

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Speaker 2: the case might be. So I'm just trying to get

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Speaker 2: some hard research to support my views, not sorry to

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Speaker 2: support my views, rather test my views and to make

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Speaker 2: sure I can put a good case either way about

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Speaker 2: this proposal.

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Speaker 1: Again, there'd be so much documentation on this deal. Or

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Speaker 1: are you specifically looking at this part of your electorate.

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Speaker 2: I'm looking at this part of my electric specifically, and

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Speaker 2: that's why the request I've put out this information is

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Speaker 2: basically lower incoming communities because the data is quite different.

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Speaker 2: I'm not giving an example and why location does matter.

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Speaker 2: If you look at the net revenue net gaming revenue

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Speaker 2: for last year the city play for it had ten

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Speaker 2: venues with three hundred and sixty licenses for gaming machines,

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Speaker 2: and the net revenue was fifty one point eight six

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Speaker 2: nine million dollars. In other words, this is what the

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Speaker 2: owners collected after they paid out, so it was over

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Speaker 2: almost fifty two million dollars. Now look at the city

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Speaker 2: of Adelaide, which has doubled the number of machines, double

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Speaker 2: the number of locations, triple the number of locations, yet

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Speaker 2: their net gaming revenue was only twenty six million dollars.

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Speaker 2: So location does really matter. We put these machines because

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Speaker 2: the impact they have on society, So.

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Speaker 1: Does that indicate then people are losing more in fuel

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Speaker 1: machines in the playfit area. That's what you're saying.

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Speaker 2: That's correct, that's that's what that's the conclusion I draw.

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Speaker 2: But then I need to find some more data. And

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Speaker 2: I've been researching it for the last months or so,

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Speaker 2: and certainly what I'm coming up with does raise some

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Speaker 2: alarm bells. But again, I have to put this to

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Speaker 2: a commission or a court, and I can't just say, look,

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Speaker 2: this is the vibe. I need to substantiate any views

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Speaker 2: I do put to the commission or the court. So

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Speaker 2: I'm concerned about it, so I make sure I'm doing

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Speaker 2: my homework now.

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Speaker 1: So can I ive into that a bit further? So

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Speaker 1: fifty two point nine million, let's call it fifty three

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Speaker 1: net revenue out of ten licenses or ten venues venues,

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Speaker 1: that's right, and that's what was paid out. So what

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Speaker 1: would the payout would only be a small percentage.

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Speaker 2: Of No, No, that's the net that's the net amount after.

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Speaker 1: Payout after payout, right, So.

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Speaker 2: Yes, in other words, but the payout isn't.

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Speaker 1: Big, is it? Because it's only a small percentage that win.

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Speaker 2: Well, I actually don't know the gross figures they're not

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Speaker 2: published or only the net amounts published, And so the

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Speaker 2: figures show that after the venues have paid out, that's

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Speaker 2: what they've actually had met to them fifty two almost

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Speaker 2: fifty three million dollars out of one council area alone.

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Speaker 2: And so what I'm asking them trying to find out

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Speaker 2: is and people say, look, you know, pokies have a

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Speaker 2: net benefit because they create jobs, voloyment, high range of things.

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Speaker 2: So I'm asking those specific questions, I know, asking what

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Speaker 2: is the employment modiplier? In other words, do we get

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Speaker 2: more jobs if we had food and other businesses than

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Speaker 2: we have pokeies? What is the impact of these pokem

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Speaker 2: machines on existing businesses? In other words, what you put

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Speaker 2: in the machine comes out of from other business, so

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Speaker 2: other business do bit worse? What what is the expenditure substitution?

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Speaker 2: What if people go without to use gaming machines, And

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Speaker 2: so that's really important. And also get an understanding what

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Speaker 2: the level of game being problem is in that community,

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Speaker 2: in the general population and any specive community. So I

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Speaker 2: want to make sure I have a full understanding of

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Speaker 2: the impacts, whether positive or negative, of gaming machines and

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Speaker 2: put it before a proper tribunal to adjudicate.

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Speaker 1: Okay, you sound as if you're concerned about the latest

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Speaker 1: proposal to put more in the area though.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, because it's going to put an extra up.

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Speaker 2: They're going to they're going to seek my understanding, they're

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Speaker 2: going to seek an application for forty more machines in

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Speaker 2: its location, which is just north of Curtis Road. It's

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Speaker 2: new areas, it's a new area. But you know, certainly

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Speaker 2: speaking what you might call a working class area, lower incomes,

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Speaker 2: and so I'm just concerned to make sure that we've

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Speaker 2: actually done our homework, that we don't actually create a

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Speaker 2: serious problem in that community. And the fact that the

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Speaker 2: figures I've looked at for Playford already do raise some

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Speaker 2: alarm bells.

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Speaker 1: That's concerning, indeed, and that that is a brand new area.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the houses are going in there by it

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Speaker 1: by the doesn't It seems every time I drive through

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Speaker 1: there there's another another large paddic that's been filled up.

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Speaker 2: That's right, And there'd be a lot of double income

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Speaker 2: families doing it. Having said that, they're doing it tough

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Speaker 2: to usually in jobs, you know, there is not high

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Speaker 2: paying jobs. But also the fact is that, uh, you know.

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Speaker 2: I'm just concerned to make sure that there may be

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Speaker 2: also high mortgage built in our area as well, for sure,

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Speaker 2: And what we what we don't need is an extra

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Speaker 2: pressure people doing it tough already.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely so, har minimization practices are they working? Are

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Speaker 1: you aware of that?

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Speaker 2: I've started look at that. So there's certainly some things

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Speaker 2: which do work, and certainly, but it's it's it's one

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Speaker 2: of those sort of things that harmon a minor harm.

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Speaker 2: Minimization practices tend to work to the people. For the

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Speaker 2: people who don't have a real problem but have a

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Speaker 2: sort of in a minor problem, they tend to work better.

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Speaker 2: The people with serious problems they tend to work less.

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Speaker 2: So so that's a bit of a worry, and so

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Speaker 2: we need to work out, you know, if it is approved,

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Speaker 2: what can we do to minimize the harm to not

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Speaker 2: only the individual gamblers, but also that community as a whole. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if the jobs figures would add up

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Speaker 1: either way, whether there's more in Poky's or more in

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Speaker 1: what was lost, because you think of, for instance, pizza hunts,

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Speaker 1: Sizzlers all went by the buy. The restaurants went by

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Speaker 1: the buy when poky machines came along, and I just wonder,

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Speaker 1: you know how many people still go to the cinemas?

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Speaker 1: Did more go for instance before the pokeys came along?

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Speaker 1: And the whole range of things like that.

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Speaker 2: This proposal does include it's a tavern, so it does

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Speaker 2: include meals, etc. And so that will create some good

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Speaker 2: jobs you like for a better word. But the point

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Speaker 2: you raise is really important because I've looked at some

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Speaker 2: early figures and some figures in terms of employment multipliers.

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Speaker 2: It the employment modiplied for gaming machines or those sort

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Speaker 2: of venues is less than for example, cinemas or retail

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Speaker 2: or food outlets. You create more jobs per dollar spent

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Speaker 2: in those other businesses than you're do in gaming. So

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Speaker 2: that's a bit of a worry as well.

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Speaker 1: Indeed, so again fifty three million net revenue in ten

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Speaker 1: venues unbelieved, So then do you think how much is

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Speaker 1: going into those machines to start with and last?

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Speaker 2: But that's just that's right. So as a like we MP,

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Speaker 2: I need to make sure I'm aware of it to

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Speaker 2: understand it and at the k on behalf of my.

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Speaker 1: Community absolutely all right, Tony Picolot, So if anyone wants

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Speaker 1: to help you out with that. Do they just get

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Speaker 1: in touch with your office, your electorate office.

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Speaker 2: That'd be great. Yeah, my electorate office is are eight

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Speaker 2: five double two two eight seven eight or just send

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Speaker 2: an email Light at Parliament dot SA, dot gov dot au.

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Speaker 2: But we'd be happy to talk to Adie who's got

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Speaker 2: your first hand experience or people can provide move some

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Speaker 2: research start. It would be much appreciated.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for your time this morning, Tony. Good luck with it.

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Speaker 2: Let us know.

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Speaker 1: Thank you very much, Tony Piccolo, Member for Light. Isn't

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Speaker 1: that amazing? That's a dreadful stat. Ten venues in that

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Speaker 1: area fifty three million net revenue, so that's after payouts

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Speaker 1: and everything in ten venues fifty three million. Imagine that

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Speaker 1: in the community of Pokey's hadn't come along by one

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Speaker 1: vote in the Upper House, that's what they passed by.

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Speaker 1: Unreal