WEBVTT - Celebs are sipping colostrum, so should you?

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, folks, I am Felicity Harley, host of this body

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<v Speaker 1>and soul pod called Healthy Ish. Sipping and swallowing colostrum.

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<v Speaker 1>Apparently it's what all the celebrities and health and wellness

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<v Speaker 1>influences are doing right now, are you. It's a lettus

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<v Speaker 1>wellness trend. But is the cow's variety really beneficial for

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<v Speaker 1>our health? Especially as an adult? We know the colostrum

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<v Speaker 1>is great for babies. Well Today, chef and food critic

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<v Speaker 1>turned farmer and food activists Matthew Evans joins us from

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<v Speaker 1>his farm in Tazzy. He's written a new book called Milk,

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<v Speaker 1>and he is here to discuss whether colostrums health claims

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<v Speaker 1>are actually legit. Make sure you listening to Extra Healthy

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<v Speaker 1>Ish as well, where we take a deep dive into

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<v Speaker 1>the truth and lies about milk. You can grab that

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<v Speaker 1>wherever you I podcasts. Matthew, thank you for joining us

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<v Speaker 1>on Healthy Today. All the way from a beautiful Tasmania.

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<v Speaker 2>Well pleasure, the sun shining. It's glorious, but happy to

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<v Speaker 2>be inside chatting to you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, inside is good. Now I can talk about colostrum

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<v Speaker 1>and your fabulous new book. You write a bit about

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<v Speaker 1>this and obviously there's a lot of buzz about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Celebrities are drinking the cow's variety, powders are selling out,

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<v Speaker 1>and chemists or particularly in the US, the supplements. Now

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<v Speaker 1>you've got a book about milk. What are your thoughts

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<v Speaker 1>on this new wellness trend around colostrum.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, look, it's fascinating to me. I guess, colostrum to me,

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<v Speaker 2>like milk is a miracle, Like it's an amazing product.

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<v Speaker 2>It's nutrient dance. It's got so many things that when

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<v Speaker 2>we're first born, it's colostrum that we get in that

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<v Speaker 2>first day, And so I was pretty keen to discover that.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess that colostrums like the milk of milk. It's

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<v Speaker 2>like the nutrient dense version of the nutrient dense liquid.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, look, I'm interested that people are taking it.

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<v Speaker 2>It has the potential to do lots of things for us.

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<v Speaker 2>It has things like lactofer and Lactoferren's this sort of

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<v Speaker 2>miracle ingredient that they're trying to work out how to

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<v Speaker 2>recreate in labs that exists in really high quantities in

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<v Speaker 2>human breast milk. It exists in milk, more generally in

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<v Speaker 2>cow's milk, but it's much higher in col colostrum, and

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<v Speaker 2>there's things that can feed our immune system. So the

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<v Speaker 2>sugars in some of that early milk are really good

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<v Speaker 2>at feeding our microbiome, the things that live in and

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<v Speaker 2>on us. So I guess colclostrum has that capacity. And look,

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<v Speaker 2>it seems to be it has the potential to help

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit with some of our immune system. It

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<v Speaker 2>has the potential to help particular with things like diarrhea

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<v Speaker 2>and where you've got a tummy bug, but it's not

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<v Speaker 2>going to be it's not going to do that unless

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<v Speaker 2>you're lacking probably somewhere else in your diet. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>like it's only going to do that if potentially you

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<v Speaker 2>need a little bit of extra help or because you're

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<v Speaker 2>lacking other stuff in your diet. So yes, I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's probably valuable and useful. But you know, whether it's

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<v Speaker 2>anytime anyone latches onto something and said it's the miracle product,

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<v Speaker 2>then you've also got to realize that, well, it might

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<v Speaker 2>be a miracle product for the cow when it's first born,

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<v Speaker 2>but by the time it's pasteurized and dehydrated and put

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<v Speaker 2>into a powder form and put into a capsule in

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<v Speaker 2>a chemist, you know, are what has happened to that?

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<v Speaker 2>It's not. It doesn't have the beneficial bacteria anymore. Some

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<v Speaker 2>of the proteins have been denatured. So yes, it may

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<v Speaker 2>be doing you some good, but is it doing you

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<v Speaker 2>as much good as you think? The jury is still out. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, It's interesting, isn't it? How we we latch onto

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<v Speaker 1>something like colostrum. As you said, it's got the nutritional benefits,

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<v Speaker 1>particularly a human colostrum are you know, there's nothing else

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<v Speaker 1>that compares to it in many ways. But then as

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<v Speaker 1>soon as the celebrities put in start drinking it from

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<v Speaker 1>the supplement form, they are like, oh quick, quick, We've

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<v Speaker 1>got to get it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, And I think it's really fascinating. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>one of the things that that colostrum has in it

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<v Speaker 2>and this is what is you know, we don't know

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<v Speaker 2>why this happens, but this happens in mammals, don't We

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<v Speaker 2>can't test that it happens in humans, but we presume

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<v Speaker 2>because it happens in other mammals that happens in humans.

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<v Speaker 2>So the colostrum is producing that first day when when

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<v Speaker 2>the mother's memory glands are really poorous, so big cells

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<v Speaker 2>pass through much more easily, and the baby's gut is

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<v Speaker 2>much more poorous, so big cells can go from the

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<v Speaker 2>milk into the baby. So one thing that happens in

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<v Speaker 2>those first few hours after giving birth is that stem

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<v Speaker 2>cells from the mother can enter the bloodstream of the

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<v Speaker 2>baby and then get into the serahbrospinal fluid, the fluid

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<v Speaker 2>that connects our spine and our brain, and those cells

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<v Speaker 2>can then travel into the brain of the baby, and

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<v Speaker 2>they then stem cells can become other things. They're like

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<v Speaker 2>the origin of the origin cells. They can differentiate, they

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<v Speaker 2>become neurons and gile cells. They become part of the

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<v Speaker 2>brain of the baby. Now that's wonderful when it happens,

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<v Speaker 2>and we presume that there's a reason why that happens

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<v Speaker 2>in mammals when they're firstborn. But do you want cows

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<v Speaker 2>stem cells getting into your brain? You know you've got

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<v Speaker 2>to question, Well, we think that our stomach's too close

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<v Speaker 2>to that, that our digestive system will stop that happening.

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<v Speaker 2>We can't test for that. So the reason why, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we want to be cautious.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, can you talk a bit about breast milk

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<v Speaker 1>made in labs? I mean, this is really interesting. You

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<v Speaker 1>talk about this in your book that potentially, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we might be seeing this in that will we ultimately

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<v Speaker 1>see this in our fridges.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this is fascinating because breast milk is so such

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<v Speaker 2>a wonderful thing. It's altered by the age of the baby,

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<v Speaker 2>the status of the mother, the health status of the mother,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's altered by the hour over which the baby's

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<v Speaker 2>being fed. It gets tailored to the individual baby. So

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<v Speaker 2>it's a beautiful thing. But there are parts of breast

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<v Speaker 2>milk that we don't know how to make in the lab.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, there's milk sugars that feed the microbiome of

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<v Speaker 2>the baby, the immune system of the baby, that we

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<v Speaker 2>don't really know how to make, but they are what

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<v Speaker 2>they're doing. Scientists are taking breast milk cells and then

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<v Speaker 2>trying to get a form of breast milk crowded in

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<v Speaker 2>a lab, in fermenting chambers in the lab. And what

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<v Speaker 2>that would allow is because formula is a way of

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<v Speaker 2>keeping babies alive but doesn't really feed the immune system

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<v Speaker 2>of the baby. It's not a complete food, it would

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<v Speaker 2>allow us to, I guess, make formula more appropriate for

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<v Speaker 2>human babies because at the moment it's good. It's great.

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<v Speaker 2>It does amazing things for people who are unable to

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<v Speaker 2>press feed for whatever reason. You know, and there are

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<v Speaker 2>many reasons why it's hard to breastfeed. But it's not

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<v Speaker 2>the best foods. But if we could add leacto fair

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<v Speaker 2>and that miracle ingredient, if we could add some of

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<v Speaker 2>those immune boosting properties, wouldn't it be wonderful to see

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<v Speaker 2>that added into formula to make formula a more complete

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<v Speaker 2>and appropriate food for our tiny, vulnerable newborns.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, watch this space. Now you've written a whole book

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<v Speaker 1>on milk, which is fascinating. Is there like one what

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<v Speaker 1>is the healthiest milk we should all be drinking.

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<v Speaker 2>It? Wouldn't it be great if I could just name

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<v Speaker 2>one place? Well, yeah, I'd love to. But the problem is,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, some people are lactose intolerant, which means they

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<v Speaker 2>can't consume much fresh dairy because lactose is a milks

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<v Speaker 2>with it, some people can't digest very well, and it

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<v Speaker 2>can give you bloating and diarrhea and gas and even

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<v Speaker 2>constipation if you have too much of it. We can

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<v Speaker 2>ferment milk, so we can get traditional dairy cow's milk

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<v Speaker 2>and get rid of the sugar, so hard cheese doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>have the lactose. But then some people are allergic to

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<v Speaker 2>the proteins and different proteins people that have different allergies

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<v Speaker 2>or different reactions to so those people probably shouldn't eat

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<v Speaker 2>much dairy or any dairy, but there are. In terms

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<v Speaker 2>of what actual cow's milk and goats milk and dairy

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<v Speaker 2>from a mammal contains, it is by far the most

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<v Speaker 2>nutrient dance product that we have, comparing it to plant

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<v Speaker 2>milks or the current lab milks that they're making where

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<v Speaker 2>they're taking genetically modified yeasts and creating some of the

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<v Speaker 2>dairy proteins in a lab and then combining them with

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<v Speaker 2>some bats and sugars and stuff. The milk that comes

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<v Speaker 2>from cow is by far the most nutrient dance it has.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, some of these lab milks are going to

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<v Speaker 2>have six, maybe ten proteins in them. Cow's milk can

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<v Speaker 2>contain over the cow's lactation can contain four thousand, six

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and fifty four proteins. So what we create in

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<v Speaker 2>the lab is not equivalent. And one thing we do

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<v Speaker 2>know is that the milks that people are choosing to drink,

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<v Speaker 2>if they're replacing dairy with plant milks. Plant milks replace

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<v Speaker 2>the color, maybe the textual appeal of the dairy in

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<v Speaker 2>some ways, but they don't replace the nutrition. So I

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<v Speaker 2>forget the numbers off the top of my head. It's

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<v Speaker 2>something like twenty for one glass of milk, you get

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<v Speaker 2>the same amount of bioavailable calcium the cowsum your body.

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<v Speaker 2>Or one glass of milk. It's something like seven glasses

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<v Speaker 2>of oat milk and twenty two glasses of soy milk. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so you know, yes, you can get the nutrition, but

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<v Speaker 2>who wants to have twenty two glasses of soy milk?

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<v Speaker 1>No? Thanks, thank you for coming on Healthy Pleasure, Thanks

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<v Speaker 1>for having me, my friends. If you have more questions queries,

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<v Speaker 1>if you do want to read more about milk, grab

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<v Speaker 1>Matthew's new book. It is called Milk and it's out now.

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