1 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 1: From The Australian. This is the weekend edition of The Front. 2 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:20,720 Speaker 1: I'm Claire Harvey. The UK's biggest music festival, Glastonbury, is 3 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 1: on this weekend. If you jagged a ticket for three 4 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 1: hundred and eighty five pounds that's seven hundred and eighty 5 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 1: six Australian dollars, you'd have the chance to hear some 6 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 1: of the world's biggest acts, from Olivia Rodrigo to Neil Young. 7 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:37,640 Speaker 1: You'd also have the chance to see Kefa Clad Northern 8 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 1: Irish punk hip hop trio Kneecap. Some Love Kneecaps blend 9 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:47,600 Speaker 1: of pro Palestine social activism and their screw you attitude. 10 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:51,960 Speaker 1: Somethink they should go back to being school teachers. One 11 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:55,640 Speaker 1: person in the latter camp is columnist Brendan O'Neil, with 12 00:00:55,720 --> 00:01:08,759 Speaker 1: a frank and very funny take on the boys from Belfast. 13 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 1: Kneecap's Glastonbury performance hung in the balance this week as 14 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 1: one of the group's members, Leah o'hanna, appeared in court 15 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:22,319 Speaker 1: on charges of terrorism. O'hannah, whose stage name is Mohara, 16 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 1: was charged in May after being accused of displaying the 17 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 1: flag of Hesbalah at a concert in London last year 18 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 1: and shouting he's pleading not guilty. While the performance and 19 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 1: ensuing court case have sparked debate about freedom of speech 20 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 1: and artistic censorship, prosecutor Michael Bisgrove said while o'hannah is 21 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 1: well within his rights to voice his opinions and his solidarity, 22 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 1: displaying the flag of Hesbellah, a prescribed terrorist organization, is 23 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 1: an offense in the UK. I hannah was granted unconditional bail, 24 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 1: clearing the group to perform at Glastonbury, with his next 25 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:13,080 Speaker 1: hearing set for August twenty so Brennan putting aside whether 26 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:15,960 Speaker 1: relatively old people like us think that they're cool, or 27 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 1: that they're punk or whatever, is there a free speech 28 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:21,959 Speaker 1: argument here? You know? Should they have the right to 29 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:24,240 Speaker 1: perform at Glastonbury and to kind of say whatever they 30 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 1: want without us trying to squash them? 31 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 2: Absolutely? Yes, I am a free speech absolutist. I don't 32 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:33,679 Speaker 2: want them thrown off the ticket at Glastonbury. I don't 33 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:36,639 Speaker 2: want their gigs canceled. You know, we've got politicians here 34 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 2: in the Labor Party and the Conservative Party saying they 35 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:41,920 Speaker 2: shouldn't be able to play at Glastonbury. You know, I 36 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 2: might not be a fan of Kneecap. I might be 37 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 2: too old to appreciate that kind of weird Irish language 38 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 2: hip hop. But I don't want politicians setting the performance 39 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:54,640 Speaker 2: list for Glastonbury. That's not a world I want to 40 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:57,240 Speaker 2: live in. I don't want to see them canceled. But 41 00:02:57,400 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 2: I do want to talk a little bit about the 42 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 2: standards in relation to all of this. So, at the 43 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:06,959 Speaker 2: exact same time as this is happening, Johnny Greenwood from 44 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 2: Radiohead has had a number of gigs canceled because he 45 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:14,680 Speaker 2: was performing with a singer from Israel, And the exact 46 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:17,920 Speaker 2: same people who are defending kneecaps right to go on 47 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 2: stage and say free Palestine f Israel agitated for the 48 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 2: cancelation of Johnny Greenwood's gigs because he was performing with 49 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:29,080 Speaker 2: an Israeli artist. So there's a double standard there, and 50 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:31,400 Speaker 2: I think it's a racial double standard, because if you 51 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 2: support free speech for everyone except for Jews from Israel, 52 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 2: that to me is a bit of a racist double standard. 53 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 2: So my take is free speech for everyone, free speech 54 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 2: for all people who want to express themselves, so long 55 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 2: as they do so without breaking any laws. 56 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 1: I wonder about the idea of punk in twenty twenty 57 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 1: five and if in any way it's compatible with featuring 58 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 1: at Glastonbury, where the tickets are nearly eight hundred Austromian 59 00:03:57,200 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 1: dollars a person. Now, what do you think can you 60 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 1: be a punk and be a headliner at Glastonbury. 61 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 2: Glastonbury has changed so much over the decades. I think 62 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 2: the first ever Glastonbury was nineteen seventy and it was 63 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 2: basically the Kinks and Mark Bolen and women running around 64 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:17,920 Speaker 2: with no bras on and men with long hair and beards, 65 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 2: smoking weed having sex. It was a hippie fest, you know. 66 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 2: It was quite rebellious, It was quite countercultural. More recently, 67 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:28,479 Speaker 2: the average age of people going to Glastonbreen is around fifty. 68 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 2: They all tend to be upper middle class because you 69 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:33,839 Speaker 2: have to be in order to afford a ticket. They 70 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:37,520 Speaker 2: have the most insane security you'll have ever seen. There 71 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:40,800 Speaker 2: are huge barbed wire fences all around Glastonburyen now to 72 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:43,720 Speaker 2: keep out people who haven't bought tickets. So it is 73 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 2: completely anti punk. It is the most conformist festival that 74 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:53,280 Speaker 2: Britain holes. So the idea of kneecap going there and 75 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 2: being welcomed as punks I think it rather gives the 76 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 2: game away, which is that they are kind of phone 77 00:04:57,839 --> 00:05:01,719 Speaker 2: ky punks. They might seem like punks to boring old 78 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 2: farts who like going to music festivals, but to kids, 79 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:07,359 Speaker 2: most normal young people, I think they probably look a 80 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:07,919 Speaker 2: bit square. 81 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 1: Does this tell us something about where music is now? Though? 82 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 1: That you need kind of three guys, one of whom 83 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 1: wears an Irish flag bella clav to give you a 84 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:18,040 Speaker 1: sense of rebellion. 85 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 2: Yes, the one who wears the Irish trickler balaclava, by 86 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:23,920 Speaker 2: the way, which I always think looks like a tea 87 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 2: cozy rather than a balaclava. He is nearly forty years old. 88 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:29,920 Speaker 2: Let's just get this into perspective. 89 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:31,960 Speaker 1: He used to be a school teacher. I think didn't. 90 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, he used to be a school teacher. He's nearly forty. 91 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:37,040 Speaker 2: He's far too old to be carrying on like this 92 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 2: in my view. You know the truth about Kneecap is 93 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:44,839 Speaker 2: that they met at an Irish language center in Belfast. 94 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 2: One of them is from Derry, two of them are 95 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 2: from Belfast. They're basically a cultural studies outreach program. That's 96 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:54,159 Speaker 2: essentially what they are. You know, they are singing the 97 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 2: praises of minority languages. They are talking about the trauma 98 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 2: of history and the impact it has on young people's 99 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 2: mental health. There is nothing you hear from Nikap that 100 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:06,720 Speaker 2: you wouldn't see in a Guardian editorial or in a 101 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:11,279 Speaker 2: United Nations statement about the importance of protecting minor languages 102 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:14,160 Speaker 2: or the importance of learning from history. They are they 103 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 2: do push actually a very conformist, elitist view, but they 104 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 2: have as you're suggesting there, they do look punkish. They 105 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 2: kind of have the IRA fancy dress. You know, they 106 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:30,920 Speaker 2: dress up with a balaclava and they kind of steal 107 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:34,720 Speaker 2: valor from physical force republicanism of the nineteen seventies and eighties. 108 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:37,320 Speaker 2: They kind of get a bit of momentum and a 109 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:40,039 Speaker 2: bit of sex appeal from, you know, HARKing back to 110 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 2: that era when the Provisional IRA was seen by some 111 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 2: people in Northern Ireland as a adventurous, daring gorilla movement. 112 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:52,720 Speaker 2: Because they don't really have anything punkish to say in 113 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:54,720 Speaker 2: twenty twenty five, they kind of have to look back 114 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:57,600 Speaker 2: to the past for that sense of rebellion, so they 115 00:06:57,640 --> 00:07:00,920 Speaker 2: look punkish. Occasionally they sound punk, but if you dig 116 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 2: a little deeper, there's not much going on. 117 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 1: The band members themselves might be old enough to remember 118 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 1: some of the troubles, but many of their fans wouldn't be. 119 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 1: Is that part of the equation here? Do you think 120 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 1: that it's kind of glamorizing something that for people who 121 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 1: live through it might not think it was kind of cool? 122 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's an issue certainly, and that does make kneecap 123 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 2: jar with a lot of people in Mainland Britain in particular, 124 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 2: where there's a very different view of the IRA than 125 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 2: there might be in parts of Northern Ireland. You know, 126 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 2: the fact that neecap is called kneecap is in itself 127 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 2: quite revealing, because of course that was a punishment meeted 128 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 2: out by the IRA, primarily against Catholics, primarily against people 129 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 2: who lived in Irish parts of Northern Ireland who were 130 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 2: seen to be dabbling in petty crime or might have 131 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 2: said something to the army that they shouldn't have said, 132 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 2: whatever it might be. One of the punishments that they 133 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 2: were given was a kneecapping, when they would be shot 134 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 2: in the kneecap. It was a horrendous punishment, mostly meted 135 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 2: out to the Catholic community itself, and often for drugs offenses. 136 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 2: This is one of the great ironies ofp Neecap's lyrics. 137 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 2: I'm ninety percent about drugs, Anna. 138 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:11,680 Speaker 1: Shan Pruce, Labola, Klava, Speder Schuel or julisne I can 139 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 1: be shear Tarta tankiraswara irv Bersua, ugging lavata, Cookes BDEs 140 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 1: August mol marijuana. 141 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 2: The great irony, which I think they probably know themselves, 142 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 2: is that Kneecap would have been kneecapped by the IRA 143 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:28,240 Speaker 2: in the nineteen seventies because if you dealt in drugs 144 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 2: in those communities, or even took drugs, you'd be in 145 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:34,079 Speaker 2: trouble with the IRA volunteers as they call themselves. You 146 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 2: know that word in itself, kneecap and the imagery that 147 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 2: they promote, which is this kind of you know, the 148 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 2: balaclavas and parking back to that physical force Irish nationalism 149 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:48,080 Speaker 2: that does turn off a lot of people in Britain. 150 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:58,599 Speaker 1: Coming up Brendan on the cult of the Kiffi I 151 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:19,200 Speaker 1: Kneecap seemed to be fans of her mass and what's 152 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:23,720 Speaker 1: got their leading aer in trouble now is some chance 153 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 1: of up her mass, up his bla and allegedly displaying 154 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:31,560 Speaker 1: a his Blah flag at a gig. Now he's pleaded 155 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:35,239 Speaker 1: not guilty to that. He's also requested an Irish translator 156 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:38,320 Speaker 1: at Westminster Court when he has his appearance. I thought 157 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 1: that was a nice little touch. 158 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:42,959 Speaker 2: I mean I did laugh when I saw that. I 159 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:45,440 Speaker 2: must say, they're having a wind up there because they 160 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:47,319 Speaker 2: all speak English, of course, but you know it's that 161 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:51,240 Speaker 2: kind of performative thing of saying we will only speak Irish. Yeah, whatever, 162 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 2: that's fine. That if they want to speak Irish in 163 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 2: an English court, that's their business. I don't really have 164 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:58,200 Speaker 2: a problem with that. But this is what I find 165 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 2: quite infuriating about out the love for them amongst so 166 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 2: called radicals and progressives, which is that the thing that 167 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 2: they're in trouble for that they are alleged to have done. 168 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:10,319 Speaker 2: We have to kind of use that language because the 169 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 2: court case is ongoing. They are alleged to have waived 170 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:15,840 Speaker 2: the flag of Hezbolla. They are alleged to have said 171 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 2: up her mass up Hezbolla. One of them, the guy 172 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 2: with the tricolor t cozy on his head, he posed 173 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 2: with a copy of Hassan Nazrula's book Hassan Nasralla was 174 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 2: the former leader of Hesbola who was killed by Israel 175 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:31,959 Speaker 2: a few months ago. This is a book that refers 176 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:35,679 Speaker 2: to Jews as the descendants of apes and picks. To 177 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:38,719 Speaker 2: my mind, that's a pretty serious matter. And I'm not 178 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 2: sure that progressives and radicals would be rallying around a 179 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 2: hip hop group that had posed with a book that 180 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:47,920 Speaker 2: referred to black people as monkeys. I'm not sure they'd 181 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 2: be rallying around a hip hop group that had praised, 182 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:54,480 Speaker 2: allegedly praised the KKK. And yet when it comes to 183 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 2: this group which is posed with Hassan Nasrela's book and 184 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:02,680 Speaker 2: which has allegedly praised those two anti Semitic armies, Hesbola 185 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 2: and her Mass, they seem not to have a problem 186 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 2: with it. So I think there's a serious element to 187 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 2: this which is an extraordinary double standard. And there are 188 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 2: a lot of Jewish people in the UK. I know 189 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 2: this for a fact because I've met them, I've spoken 190 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:19,840 Speaker 2: to them who are worried about this case. Because they 191 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:24,679 Speaker 2: see the music industry, the popular music press, lots of 192 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 2: young people, Glastonbury itself. They see all of these institutions 193 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 2: rallying around these three lads who have allegedly praised one 194 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 2: of the armies that carried out the worst mass murder 195 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 2: of Jews since the Holocaust. 196 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:40,560 Speaker 1: Of course they areupleating, not guilty, but they do wear 197 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:44,319 Speaker 1: kefi is in public. They speak about the people of Palestine, 198 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 1: they refer to it as a genocide. They criticize Israel 199 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 1: by implication. They're certainly invoking something underneath young popular culture 200 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:57,120 Speaker 1: that seems to be resonating all the way up to 201 00:11:57,360 --> 00:11:59,720 Speaker 1: the fifty year old rich people who go to Glastonbury. 202 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:03,720 Speaker 1: Why is that so appealing? You know? Why is that punk? Now? 203 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 1: You know, I call it the cult of the Kaffir. 204 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:09,720 Speaker 2: It's so interesting to me that for years and years 205 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:13,079 Speaker 2: we heard about the crime of cultural appropriation, which is 206 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:15,960 Speaker 2: when you know, a white woman would have her hair 207 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:19,600 Speaker 2: in cornrows, for example, that was seen as cultural appropriation. 208 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:21,959 Speaker 2: You were stealing the culture of a minority group, and 209 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 2: apparently that was the worst thing you could ever do. Now, 210 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:27,960 Speaker 2: you go to any campus in the West Anglo American 211 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:30,760 Speaker 2: world and you will see rich white kids as far 212 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:34,080 Speaker 2: as the eye can see in Arab headgear, in the kaffir, 213 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:38,319 Speaker 2: you know, in this culturally appropriated garment. I think it's 214 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 2: become a signifier of virtue. It is a kind of 215 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:44,559 Speaker 2: satorial way to show the world that you are a 216 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 2: good person. You're on the side of right, You're on 217 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 2: the side of Gaza and against evil Israel and the irony. 218 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:54,880 Speaker 2: I think with a group like Kneecap is that the 219 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 2: truth of the matter is that their opinions are perfectly 220 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:03,719 Speaker 2: acceptable in dinner party circles. I've never heard them say 221 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 2: anything that would be out of place as some soiree 222 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:08,959 Speaker 2: at the National Gallery in London or somewhere else, you know, 223 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:13,360 Speaker 2: especially on the Palestine question. Being anti Israel this is 224 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 2: no exaggeration. Being anti Israel is the moral glue of 225 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:19,920 Speaker 2: the middle classes here in Britain. It is the thing 226 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 2: that binds together the bourgeoisie. If you go to any 227 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 2: swanky gathering you will see novelists, cultural figures, influencers slamming Israel. 228 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:34,240 Speaker 2: I mean, it is now the most expected conformist position 229 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:37,200 Speaker 2: you can hold, and the kafir has become the garment 230 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:41,679 Speaker 2: of those classes. So when Kneecap wear that and make 231 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:44,560 Speaker 2: those statements, I just think to myself, that's not as 232 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 2: radical as you think it is. 233 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 1: Brendon O'Neil is an author, pundit and regular contributor for 234 00:13:57,120 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 1: The Australian. You can read his work anytime the Australian 235 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:03,679 Speaker 1: dot com dot you, and he's written about kneecap for 236 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 1: The Spectator. This episode of the Front was hosted by 237 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:10,400 Speaker 1: me Claire Harvey and co produced with Jaska League, who 238 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:14,199 Speaker 1: edited the episode and also wrote our theme. Thanks for 239 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 1: joining us on the Front this week. Our team also 240 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 1: includes Kristin Amiot, lea At, Samaglue, Tiffany Dimack, Joshua Burton 241 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 1: and Stephanie Coombs.