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Speaker 1: The public has had a long held fascination with detectives.

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Speaker 1: Detective see a side of life the average persons never

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Speaker 1: exposed to. I spent thirty four years as a cop.

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Speaker 1: For twenty five of those years, I was catching killers.

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Speaker 1: That's what I did for a living. I was a

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Speaker 1: homicide detective. I'm no longer just interviewing bad guys. Instead,

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Speaker 1: I'm taking the public into the world in which I operated.

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Speaker 1: The guests I talk to each week have amazing stories

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Speaker 1: from all sides of the law. The interviews are raw

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Speaker 1: and honest, just like the people I talk to. Some

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Speaker 1: of the content and language might be confronting. That's because

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Speaker 1: no one who comes into contact with crime is left unchanged.

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Speaker 1: Join me now as I take you into this world.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to part two of my chat with Bill Edgar,

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Speaker 1: known as a coffin confessor. He's the person that delivers

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Speaker 1: messages at funerals at the requests of the deceased. And

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Speaker 1: it's quite an interesting occupation that Bill's found himself in.

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Speaker 1: If you listen to part one, you would have heard

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Speaker 1: of Bill's life. I'll call it extraordinary. Bill. First of all,

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Speaker 1: welcome back Part two.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: Quite extraordinary, And I say this is all honestly, what

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Speaker 1: you went through tugs at the heart strings, and full

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Speaker 1: credit to you for making something of your life and

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Speaker 1: not letting those setbacks. And we're talking being abused as

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Speaker 1: a child, sexually abused as a child, not letting those

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Speaker 1: setbacks define you. But it has its impact. We left

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Speaker 1: to do to survive, and that included fighting and standing

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Speaker 1: up for yourself and being stood over. How long did

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Speaker 2: I went in on just after my seventeenth birthday and

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Speaker 2: I came out just after my twenty first birthday. I

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Speaker 2: sort of I'd do six months and remand for six months,

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Speaker 2: and I'd do another six months, and then I'd be

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Speaker 2: out for three months and then back in again, all

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Speaker 2: on the same charges. Basically, the system was so broken

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Speaker 2: you know I'd go to court and they'd go, look,

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Speaker 2: he's got a six month sentence, but there is this

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Speaker 2: outstanding crime that we're still investigating, and Bill Pots will

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Speaker 2: go will investigate it, and they're going, oh, we haven't

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Speaker 2: got time. Well let him out on bail, and then

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Speaker 2: I'd be out on bail and then I'd be walking

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Speaker 1: Tough time. So four years were you still and you

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Speaker 1: touched on how you met your wife Lara at school

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Speaker 1: and even you can't even do that normally because it

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Speaker 1: You can't make this shit up, Bill.

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Speaker 2: And I dragged her in and out of my troubles

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Speaker 2: and she stayed with me through all that. She'd come

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Speaker 2: and visit me in Bogger Road. Then I got a pregnant.

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Speaker 2: People were saying run, and I'm like, I love this girl.

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Speaker 2: I'm not running.

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Speaker 2: She bring the baby into and it was just a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I would look at your resume and thinking not

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Speaker 1: a lot going on here, But you've proved them all wrong.

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Speaker 1: And so's Lara's love for you, and vice versa. So

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Speaker 1: forty years it's a long, long time. You get out

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Speaker 1: of JAF you're twenty one, what's life prospects for You're

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Speaker 2: I take it rick laying ruthing, you know, whatever I

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Speaker 2: could do, you know, I worked at and I tried

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Speaker 2: to better myself, and each job I had fucking couldn't

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Speaker 2: Is it just I am dyslexic? But I also have this,

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Speaker 2: I have a processor. Everybody has a processor in their brain.

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Speaker 2: Mind's slow, and I've learned that I can't react straight away.

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Speaker 2: and I've learned that and taught myself that. But when

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Speaker 2: But anyway, I fell into nightclubs and I the owner.

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Speaker 2: huge nightclub. I'm going to get myself a job there. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: said to the security guy, I said, mate, looking for

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Speaker 2: a job. He goes, no jobs here, I said, I said,

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Speaker 2: who's the manager or the boss? And there he goes.

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Speaker 2: you got too many. He says yeah. I said, how

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Speaker 2: about I not this fucking broke out and then you

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Speaker 2: give me a job because you've got nowhere to go.

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Speaker 2: I said, oh, that's that's the option. So I said

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Speaker 2: and I'm about to cut it. And I'd been in

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Speaker 1: So I was full of He knew how to talk

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Speaker 2: And the bouncer looks at me and he goes, mate,

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Speaker 1: That's a great job interview.

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Speaker 2: I worked there for three and a half years on

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Speaker 1: So it was great and that kept your way from

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know nightclubs. I could see all the trouble

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Speaker 1: Oh like that's tiptoeing through a minefield.

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Speaker 2: Working absolutely. I had Lara, I had the kids, and

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Speaker 2: I I was good at what I did. I was good.

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Speaker 2: I'm a very good talker in that way. And the

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Speaker 2: second weekend I was there, there's a big fight and

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Speaker 2: I had no backup. They don't locked me out, they

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Speaker 2: lock they locked the fucking door. I'm out the front

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Speaker 2: and I'm punching on with this guy. I knew I was.

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Speaker 2: I was. I was just hab it. All of a sudden,

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Speaker 2: lets his dog out, and holy fuck, the dog's name

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Speaker 2: is Ghost. I think I think it was a ghost.

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Speaker 2: And he come out and everybody just fucking ran for it,

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Speaker 2: and I'm standing there and I've got a bit of

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Speaker 2: he goes, you're right man. I said yeah, I said,

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Speaker 2: I said, they locked me out, and he says, yeah,

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Speaker 2: that's protocol here in kens. You know, we just locked

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Speaker 1: It's not usually, that's not meant to be how it

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Speaker 2: So he injuries him as doug and him and I

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Speaker 2: have become you know, we became close around. I still

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Speaker 2: And it was just a situation that I ended up. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and then from then just just life got better.

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Speaker 1: You talk about getting getting life's experience, so now you're

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Speaker 1: getting You became a private investigator, and you explained that

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Speaker 1: How did that business take off from that point because

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Speaker 1: that was the one out thing. Did you was there

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Speaker 2: I when I left that first funeral, Graham's funeral, the

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Speaker 2: She says, you need to see my auntie. And I'm

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Speaker 2: like why, and she goes, she's impalliative care. This is

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Speaker 2: you really bad. I don't do like what will she

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Speaker 2: need you know? And she goes, I'm not sure, but

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Speaker 2: she needs you someone like you. It was to crash

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Speaker 2: her funeral. And I went, you're fucking kidding me?

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Speaker 1: What?

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Speaker 2: She goes, my niece just told me that you crashed

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Speaker 2: Graham's funeral. And she was the funeral on my behalf

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Speaker 2: because I knew Graham and his family. I want you

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Speaker 2: to do my funeral. Fuck. I left there and I

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Speaker 2: went to a cafe and I sat at this cafe

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Speaker 2: and then I thought, this is seriously, could this be

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Speaker 2: what I call myself? Who am I? What am I?

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Speaker 2: What do I do? And I'm sitting there and going

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Speaker 2: I stand in front of the coffin and I confess

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Speaker 2: people's it's as deep as dark as secrets. So I

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Speaker 2: guess I'm the coffin confessor. And it hit me and

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Speaker 2: I went coffin confessor, Yeah, that's cool. And then I

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Speaker 2: trademarked it, and then I painted it.

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Speaker 1: What did the Arnie want done? At her funeral?

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Speaker 2: She had a best friend for over forty years and

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Speaker 2: they were wonderful, wonderful friends together. They both had family,

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Speaker 2: so married with kids. But her secret was that she

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Speaker 2: was in love with her best friend, passionately in love

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Speaker 2: with her, and she could never tell her. After that

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Speaker 2: was crashed and that was revealed, her best friend came

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Speaker 2: over to me and said, I felt exactly the same way.

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Speaker 2: I didn't know she felt like that.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's sad, isn't it?

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Speaker 2: Like the husband's come over and said, I knew. I

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Speaker 2: I was getting hundreds, if not thousands of emails requests

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Speaker 2: I said, Darryl. You know, Like, what'd you think? He said,

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Speaker 2: He says, I closed it. He said, Terry over there

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he says, they're going to be here tomorrow. I'm like,

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Speaker 2: property will yelling out coffin confessor, Hey god, yeah. They

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Speaker 2: And I had each one had an iPad so they

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, they'd be handy, make going a little bit

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Speaker 2: It's something different. And I don't mean like it's just

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Speaker 1: It's bizarre, isn't it. And I wonder why, And yeah,

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Speaker 2: Well, that's it. I mean, I'm responsible and I love it,

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Speaker 2: He lowers me down. I'm six foot one. There's no

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Speaker 2: Yeah, big time. So I've probably got families out there going. Okay.

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Speaker 2: My grandfather was in his eighties. He was buried around

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Speaker 1: just pulling out a couple of observations or quotes from

430
00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:50,920
Speaker 1: the book. That rare that you meet someone who's entirely

431
00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:54,080
Speaker 1: motivated by revenge. So I think you make the point

432
00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:56,720
Speaker 1: revenge offers no solace at the end of the day,

433
00:20:56,920 --> 00:21:00,640
Speaker 1: but burdening does. So that's not so much about revenge,

434
00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:04,080
Speaker 1: it's about unburdening. And there's another quote we've got here

435
00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:07,440
Speaker 1: from your book. We've all met people you'd fucking never

436
00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:10,639
Speaker 1: want to talk to again and maybe who you'll hate forever.

437
00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:13,280
Speaker 1: Does that mean you should take revenge on them. No,

438
00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:15,560
Speaker 1: it just means you should let it go and move

439
00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:19,560
Speaker 1: on again. This type of words of wisdom from the

440
00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:23,239
Speaker 1: book I didn't expect, but yeah, it's fairly poignant what

441
00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:26,080
Speaker 1: you're saying there, Like, if you hang on to the

442
00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:29,960
Speaker 1: desire for revenge and anger, it's going to destroy you

443
00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:32,800
Speaker 1: and you're better off to let it go. You've seen

444
00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:35,359
Speaker 1: more people than most people would get to see coming

445
00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:37,159
Speaker 1: to the end of their lives. It's got a story

446
00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:40,000
Speaker 1: to tell you. What's your observation of the best way

447
00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:42,040
Speaker 1: to deal with the shit that you carry in your

448
00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:43,760
Speaker 1: life coming close to the end?

449
00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:46,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, and you don't even have to be

450
00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:51,120
Speaker 2: close to the end. I think I think I put

451
00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:53,200
Speaker 2: it down to a cleansing, And this is what happened

452
00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:55,240
Speaker 2: to me after doing the job for so long now,

453
00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:57,919
Speaker 2: and I know more people dead than a life. So

454
00:21:57,960 --> 00:21:59,960
Speaker 2: I got rid of all the shit in my life,

455
00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:05,040
Speaker 2: the baggage to this day when I said, I still

456
00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:07,359
Speaker 2: speak to my police mate Douggie in that, but I

457
00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:09,280
Speaker 2: do not have a friend in the world that I

458
00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:11,119
Speaker 2: can find today and just go for a coffee or

459
00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:13,840
Speaker 2: a beer with because I don't carry other people's baggage.

460
00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:16,360
Speaker 2: I've got enough baggage in my own and I don't

461
00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:19,359
Speaker 2: carry people's baggage. But I think it's a cleansing. I

462
00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:23,479
Speaker 2: think I downsized everything. I became more permanent to the

463
00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:26,200
Speaker 2: life that I want to live, as in we all

464
00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:29,560
Speaker 2: live dying, but very few of us die living, and

465
00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:33,520
Speaker 2: I'm going to die living. Revenge anger, all those type

466
00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:38,000
Speaker 2: of things that you hold on to against somebody that

467
00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:42,240
Speaker 2: isn't holding onto anything towards you is a fucking total

468
00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:45,760
Speaker 2: waste of time. Because I am a great believer in karma,

469
00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:49,719
Speaker 2: they're going to fuck up themselves or at the end

470
00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:53,520
Speaker 2: of the day, as I've always said, everyone dies everyone.

471
00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:57,359
Speaker 1: I look at such simple, simple things and I'm laughing

472
00:22:57,400 --> 00:22:59,679
Speaker 1: there because yeah, I'm going to get revenge on this person,

473
00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:02,600
Speaker 1: And we've all been there in that position where the

474
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:04,880
Speaker 1: person hasn't even given you a second thought, and you've

475
00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:07,520
Speaker 1: become obsessed with that person that I'm going to do this,

476
00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:09,640
Speaker 1: I'm going to do that, and that person for them,

477
00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:12,000
Speaker 1: they're too dumb to realize how much have upset you.

478
00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:17,240
Speaker 1: Why waste your time on that. I was listening at

479
00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:21,840
Speaker 1: a university graduation and they had a person delivering a keynote,

480
00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:24,840
Speaker 1: a doctor that worked in palliative care. Most of his career,

481
00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:27,760
Speaker 1: spent decades in palliative care, so I saw a lot

482
00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:31,240
Speaker 1: of people pass and because of the nature of his work,

483
00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:33,560
Speaker 1: people had often come up to him and say, this

484
00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:36,520
Speaker 1: is what he was delivering the speech, what's the best

485
00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:40,120
Speaker 1: way to die? And he stood there and he answered

486
00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:42,320
Speaker 1: answered the question. He said, what I tell people is

487
00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:44,640
Speaker 1: to have a good death, have a good life. That's

488
00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:46,920
Speaker 1: the best advice I could give to you. I took

489
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:49,560
Speaker 1: something away from that that I didn't expect. What's your

490
00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:51,800
Speaker 1: thoughts on that? Is that a good philosophy in life

491
00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:53,800
Speaker 1: for a good death, have a good life.

492
00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:57,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's a saying and that's something that

493
00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:01,520
Speaker 2: can resonate with people. My thought is is you know,

494
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:04,240
Speaker 2: people will ask me what the meaning of life is,

495
00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:06,560
Speaker 2: and I truly believe the meaning of life is to

496
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:09,239
Speaker 2: avoid death. It's the meaning of life is you've got

497
00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:13,760
Speaker 2: to avoid death. My personal thoughts is after doing what

498
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:17,440
Speaker 2: I do is to prepare for death. And I don't

499
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:20,240
Speaker 2: mean funeral plan or any of that shit. I mean

500
00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:22,840
Speaker 2: to prepare for your own death or the death of

501
00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:25,080
Speaker 2: a loved one close to you. That doesn't mean you're

502
00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:27,879
Speaker 2: not going to mourn and grief. It just means be

503
00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:31,560
Speaker 2: prepared because it can happen at any fucking time, right,

504
00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:34,400
Speaker 2: and time will just come and take you. Death has

505
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:37,280
Speaker 2: no care or consequence, you know, it's just there. So

506
00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:39,879
Speaker 2: I have this thing where I just say to people,

507
00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:42,840
Speaker 2: you know, prepare just and once you prepare and you

508
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,439
Speaker 2: accept it, because we're all going there, it's going to

509
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:48,280
Speaker 2: fucking happen. Every person on the planet's got a skeleton

510
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:50,920
Speaker 2: in the closet. So if you're prepare for it, all

511
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:54,040
Speaker 2: of a sudden, you're become enlightened and you don't give

512
00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:55,879
Speaker 2: a fuck about it because you know it's going to happen,

513
00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:59,440
Speaker 2: like it's part of life. So yeah, that's what I think.

514
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:00,439
Speaker 2: I think. Prepare there for it.

515
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:04,560
Speaker 1: Okay, nursing homes and the pain you've seen there. You've

516
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:06,280
Speaker 1: seen a lot of people that have been there in

517
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,919
Speaker 1: nursing homes. And I know in your book, and I'm

518
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:11,160
Speaker 1: not the saying things out of school, you say, I'm

519
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:14,320
Speaker 1: not going to go down that path. I don't want

520
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 1: to live in that where the care is not the

521
00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:18,760
Speaker 1: stand that should be. That type of thing.

522
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's sad because some of the cares are

523
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:24,520
Speaker 2: so beautiful, beautiful people, but they're being driven out because

524
00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:27,879
Speaker 2: of the workload. I couldn't do what they do because

525
00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:30,360
Speaker 2: I don't think I've got a heart big enough. But

526
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:34,239
Speaker 2: their heart gets ripped apart because they're told constantly to

527
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,920
Speaker 2: look after these two people. Then no, there's another two

528
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,720
Speaker 2: over there on the dementia unit needs another help. And

529
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:42,800
Speaker 2: they're just being overrun and driven out of the system,

530
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:45,680
Speaker 2: leaving the poor people that are in there to fend

531
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:49,240
Speaker 2: for themselves. Basically, it's a horrid system, absolutely horrid. And

532
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:52,800
Speaker 2: I met a couple in their eighties that engaged me

533
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,159
Speaker 2: and they will be taking their own lives because of

534
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 2: that reason.

535
00:25:56,520 --> 00:26:00,280
Speaker 1: Is that the couple that want their ashes spread around

536
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:03,800
Speaker 1: their lawns. You met on a walk one morning.

537
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 2: A total walk. I have a car that is quite

538
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 2: it's a focal point wherever it goes to this car

539
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:15,400
Speaker 2: and the number plate is Coffin Confessor. We started talking

540
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:19,199
Speaker 2: and lo and behold they told me their story, and

541
00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:21,639
Speaker 2: then I went back to their place a couple of

542
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:24,880
Speaker 2: days later and we spoke extensively about what they've got

543
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 2: planned and how they were going to do it, and

544
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:31,639
Speaker 2: it's methodical everything. It's amazing how they've planned it. And

545
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:33,920
Speaker 2: they don't want me to help in any way.

546
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:37,119
Speaker 1: Okay, so you're not complexit in it. You can't do

547
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 1: anything about it.

548
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:40,359
Speaker 2: I'm just delivering a message after they're gone.

549
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:44,120
Speaker 1: There's another one when we talk about a talk about

550
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:47,119
Speaker 1: people with a greed of people, and it's more in

551
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:49,680
Speaker 1: keeping with your work as a private investigator. But there

552
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 1: was one particular lady that met these or soon to

553
00:26:55,800 --> 00:27:00,159
Speaker 1: be a deceased lady in a store and she befriend

554
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 1: her and then made a claim on her will for

555
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,880
Speaker 1: six figure summon. You did some inquiries about it, found

556
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 1: out it was all bullshit. She hardly had anything to

557
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 1: do with her, but was just trying to steal the

558
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 1: money from the estate.

559
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 2: This happens so often. Just bullshit, you know. I got

560
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:20,880
Speaker 2: a week ago, I met a gentleman that lost his

561
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:24,199
Speaker 2: wife and he put an ad in the paper for

562
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 2: someone to rent a room out. The lady that's renting

563
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,440
Speaker 2: the room, oate, is in her fifties and has put

564
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 2: an engagement ring on her hand and told everybody that

565
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 2: she's engaged to the bloke. She phoned up the police

566
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:37,480
Speaker 2: and she said that it was abusive. The police have

567
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 2: come and removed him from his house and she's now

568
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 2: ransacked and he's not allowed back at his house for

569
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:43,959
Speaker 2: six months.

570
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:50,239
Speaker 1: Just oh, speechless. As ridiculous as it sounds, I can

571
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 1: see how that's happening. If you've got people and I

572
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:55,399
Speaker 1: saw this in the Cops when I was in the cops,

573
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:59,160
Speaker 1: if they got no morals or no principles whatsoever, they're

574
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:01,200
Speaker 1: very hard to deal with. Like that is just so

575
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:04,360
Speaker 1: shameful what that person has done. But they don't care.

576
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:06,640
Speaker 1: They're frauds. Is they haven't got a conscience.

577
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 2: As a PI and I've worked for many years with

578
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 2: some some fucking ruthless people. I've got to say those

579
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:16,879
Speaker 2: type of people, if they tell a lie and they

580
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 2: believe in the lie. It's not a lie.

581
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can't shame them, can you. They just I

582
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:26,119
Speaker 1: locked up all types of people for different different crimes,

583
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,399
Speaker 1: but the frauds has always used to get me. Like

584
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,119
Speaker 1: I still remember early days as a detective going to

585
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 1: a place and this couple they just moved from state

586
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 1: to state. They'd rent a place, hire all this furniture,

587
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 1: get a SPA installed, like whatever they wanted, but not

588
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 1: pay for a thing, enjoy it for six months before

589
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:46,440
Speaker 1: it all caught up on them. I remember when we

590
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 1: locked them up. We had to hire trucks to come

591
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 1: and take all the stolen gear that they had in

592
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 1: their place. But no shame whatsoever, Like it wasn't you've

593
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 1: just done that, We see your next time, shameful. You

594
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 1: get some other interesting ones that There was the lady

595
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 1: that found herself in Palliatiff Care. She'd lost her husband

596
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 1: years before, and she had something at home that she

597
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 1: didn't want her family finding in the draw so she

598
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 1: discreetly I think she had a name for it, called

599
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 1: it call it something. Just wanted someone that could discreetly

600
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 1: go and pick this item up from the drawer beside

601
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 1: a bed and dispose of it without her family finding it.

602
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, she tested me, that lady. She said to me,

603
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 2: I was engaged through the palliadiff care nurse and I

604
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 2: went and saw this lady and she said, look, I've

605
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 2: got some documents and I got some items. They're hidden

606
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 2: in the roof cavity going there and if you can

607
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 2: bring them to me. And I was like, no problem

608
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 2: at all. And I fulfilled that job. There wasn't an issue,

609
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 2: you know. And she was very grateful on that. And

610
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 2: I got to talking and she found out the honesty

611
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 2: and the trust that we had, and she said, look,

612
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 2: I have an embarrassing item. She says, you've been married

613
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 2: for some time. I know who you are, and you know,

614
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 2: done a little bit of talking in the nurses, you know.

615
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 2: And she says, and you are a good looker. She says,

616
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 2: So I want to be able to be a bit

617
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 2: honest with you. And I'm like, okay, what would you like?

618
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 2: And she goes, I need you to remove Clive And

619
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, I didn't see anybody there or anything there.

620
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 2: Have you got an animal? I didn't know? Cat dog?

621
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 2: Who's Clive? You know? And she goes, look, Clive's my

622
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 2: closest dearest friend since my husband left. And I'm like, okay,

623
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,720
Speaker 2: I said, and where do I find Clive? And she says,

624
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 2: he'll be in my drawer beside the bed. But he's

625
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 2: actually got a bit of velcrow to him, so he's

626
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 2: stuck it up under the drawer. So as well, Clive

627
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 2: is obviously a sexual toy. Is that right? And she goes,

628
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 2: I don't like to talk like that, and I'm like okay.

629
00:30:57,320 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 2: She goes, but yes, I said, So I'm to get

630
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 2: Clive and bring him back to go. Oh god, no,

631
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 2: don't bring him here that. She said, I want him destroyed,

632
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 2: and I said, not a problem. I said, I'll feel

633
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 2: myself collecting him, bagging him and then putting him in

634
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 2: the furnace. And she goes, oh, that'd be perfect a furnace.

635
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 2: What a way to go. So it was a testing time.

636
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,480
Speaker 2: I go back to the house and yeah, I find

637
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 2: exactly where Clive is and I'm like, holy fulk. Clive

638
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 2: ain't no small little man either, you know. I take

639
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 2: Clive and they do exactly what she wants done, and

640
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 2: I send her the video and she's elated. Everything's happy,

641
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 2: you know, And she was very upset and a bit

642
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 2: of shame that her daughter may have found it. You know.

643
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 1: That was Yeah, but like that must bring you some

644
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 1: joy stuff like that, and it's a funny story and

645
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 1: there's absolutely no judgment there, but you can We've all

646
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 1: got these little secrets. We go, oh, that might be

647
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 1: embarrassing all this and something that you could bring that

648
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 1: and put a smile on the face.

649
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 2: It's just people, you know, and we have certain things

650
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 2: that we feel a little bit ashamed of. But it's

651
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 2: not since it's not dirty, it's not you know, And

652
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 2: like I always say, you know, if we don't do,

653
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 2: if we don't sin, Jesus died for nothing.

654
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, you're not religious, but you consider yourself spiritual

655
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 1: and you talk about karma and all that. So you

656
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 1: don't believe in one particular religion, but you believe in

657
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 1: something out there.

658
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 2: Yeah. I have this thing that religious people are terrified

659
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 2: of going to hell. Spiritual people have already been there.

660
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 2: And I look at it in a way that you know,

661
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 2: I see things differently to a lot of people. I

662
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 2: said earlier in the podcast that I had a gift

663
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 2: with sport. Any sport I did I was not good at.

664
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 2: I was great and I mean really good. And it

665
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 2: wasn't until I turned thirty that I learned to read, write,

666
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 2: and spell. Was thirty three that I found that I

667
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 2: had a gift with numbers. I had no idea that

668
00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 2: it was even a thing, but I had a gift

669
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 2: with numbers, could say things differently, and that's why I

670
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 2: became a private investigator in the finance world. So you know,

671
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 2: those type of things. And it's a gift that I

672
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 2: say that I have, but I don't say it's from

673
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 2: God or something like that. I say that I'm Yeah,

674
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 2: I definitely have a belief in something. I mean, we

675
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 2: can't just live then die and then nothing. I mean,

676
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 2: obviously we live and what we leave behind being our children, grandchildren,

677
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:30,719
Speaker 2: whatever it is, is a legacy, which is great. You know,

678
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 2: if death ends life, what the fuck end's death?

679
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 1: Yeah? How does that go? It's interesting that you talk

680
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 1: about it. Then again, because of the work that you

681
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 1: do when you've seen so much death and so many funerals,

682
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 1: but also not just seeing death, but getting the opportunity

683
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 1: to speak to people prior to death and they're revealing

684
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 1: their most intimate thoughts and secrets secrets to you. So

685
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 1: you do definitely have an insight that other people wouldn't.

686
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 1: You've been challenged a few times with jobs, and one

687
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 1: in particular, one where the blokes us to see you

688
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:12,360
Speaker 1: had stuff that he wanted passed on. His death was imminent,

689
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:15,880
Speaker 1: and it turned out he'd sexually assaulted his nieces and

690
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 1: wanted you to deliver a message to them. Given what

691
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,319
Speaker 1: happened to you as a child, that must have been

692
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 1: a difficult situation to find yourself in and full of

693
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 1: mixed emotions sitting down talking to a bloke like that.

694
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was sitting face to face with a pedophile,

695
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:35,399
Speaker 2: and I didn't know that until I'd arrived and sat

696
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:37,759
Speaker 2: with him and started talking. Nor did I know that

697
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:40,840
Speaker 2: he was actually a student at the Southport School and

698
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 2: he knew all about me. It was a moment that

699
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 2: ty started to you know, all your senses go off,

700
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden he confesses that he

701
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:51,400
Speaker 2: was at TSS, he knows the lost boy of TSS,

702
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:54,480
Speaker 2: he knows who I am. And then all of a sudden,

703
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:58,319
Speaker 2: I'm like, I had so much rage as well, But

704
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:01,880
Speaker 2: at the same time, I'm being very, very professional, and

705
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 2: I want to grab this guy's throat and have his

706
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 2: eyes pop out, and he gives me these letter letters

707
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 2: to give to his nieces, and I'm like, they're just

708
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:12,719
Speaker 2: going to fucking tear them up or burnham. They don't

709
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:14,839
Speaker 2: give a fuck mut you know. But I wouldn't say

710
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 2: that to him. But you know, I'm there in the

711
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 2: capacity of a coughing so I've got to put all

712
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 2: my shit aside, and i got to do a job,

713
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 2: you know, as confronting as it was the beautiful part

714
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 2: for me. And i know it sounds morbid or whatever else,

715
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 2: but he's dying. He's going to go meet his maker,

716
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 2: whoever it is, you know. And I've always said that,

717
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 2: you know, when people die, my focus, my point of view, sorry,

718
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 2: is that there is no heaven, no Hell. We all

719
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:46,439
Speaker 2: go to the same place. And it used to ship

720
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 2: me when I'd hear somebody like, come, you hear somebody

721
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:53,799
Speaker 2: get raped and murdered and that person then gets shot

722
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 2: and killed, and they go, oh, he's going to hell,

723
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 2: and that poor girl's gone to heaven. And I'm sitting

724
00:35:57,600 --> 00:35:59,760
Speaker 2: there going, no, They're all going to the same fucking place.

725
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 2: But anyway, I like that.

726
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 1: It also touched on the fact of how disrespectful it

727
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 1: is where you see a religious funeral that means nothing

728
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:11,320
Speaker 1: to the deceased. And we've all been to those funerals,

729
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:13,840
Speaker 1: and I think you reference in the book one where

730
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 1: the person delivering the service couldn't even remember the deceased name.

731
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 1: I've sat in many a funeral where it's all about

732
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 1: the religion and someone's on their soapbox, but nothing about

733
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 1: the person that's been buried than the person that's been buried,

734
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:31,359
Speaker 1: as far as I knew, had nothing to do with

735
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 1: religion anyway. I think what you deliver is something more

736
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 1: personal at the funeral, as confronting as it might be

737
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 1: to some people in the congregation. What's your thoughts on that?

738
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 1: Do you think it is a more personal way that

739
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 1: someone from the actual decease is leaving a message. Oh?

740
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 2: Absolutely. And look at the end of the day, when

741
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 2: I walk into a church and I have to disrupt

742
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 2: a church service because my client was an atheist and

743
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:01,800
Speaker 2: did not ruin religious funeral, and most of the people

744
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 2: there knew he didn't want a religious funeral, is beyond belief,

745
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 2: and out of respect for the mom and dad, I've

746
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 2: had to say, Look, if you respect your son, you

747
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:12,320
Speaker 2: wouldn't go ahead with this, but you are going ahead

748
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:14,360
Speaker 2: with it, so I'm here to stop it on behalf

749
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 2: of your son, and the minister of the church will

750
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:19,719
Speaker 2: go to interrupt, and I'll say to him straight up,

751
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 2: to repent is to repeat. And that's all this institution

752
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:26,839
Speaker 2: fucking is is people come and they repent what they

753
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 2: did last week, only to repeat it again next week.

754
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:32,319
Speaker 2: Now fuck off, sit down, shut up, I'm taking the

755
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:35,319
Speaker 2: coffin or I'm going to do this service his way,

756
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 2: not your way.

757
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 1: How do you protect yourself with You get it in writing,

758
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 1: You record the request from the deceased, so you've got

759
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:48,279
Speaker 1: documentation there supporting, supporting the fact. Have you ever just

760
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 1: walk into the wrong funeral stand up and you just

761
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 1: get carried out or have you ever had those.

762
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 2: I've had a nightmare of attending the wrong funeral. Most

763
00:37:58,560 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 2: of the crowd want to hear what they love one

764
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 2: have to say, so they'll shout the other ones down.

765
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 2: So that's not not an issue at all. I Mean,

766
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 2: everybody's there for one reason, and it's supposed to be

767
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 2: to mourn the deceased and hear what their life story.

768
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:16,879
Speaker 2: So what's better than hearing it actually from them?

769
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 1: Fascinating Obviously the business can continues on, but do you

770
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:23,879
Speaker 1: get foodback from people? If you had people reach out

771
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 1: to you and thank you for what you did at

772
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 1: the service, I think it reflects the passing of Harry

773
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 1: or whoever it was very well.

774
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 2: I don't, I don't. I refuse to open those emails

775
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 2: or read them or talk to anybody. It's not about them.

776
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 2: It was all about my client. I don't keep in

777
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 2: touch with anybody. I've had people feelm me and then

778
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 2: try and sell the film. You know, I'm like, you know,

779
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 2: but again I'm very quick. I go in, do what

780
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 2: they do, and I leave and by time they get

781
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 2: their phones out, they're like, it's over. The fuck was

782
00:38:59,200 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 2: that guy?

783
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 1: And when you know what comes across, you've got to

784
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 1: working as a bounce of being a kid in an

785
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 1: adult prison. You've got the street smarts. You can read

786
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 1: the crowd, you can read a look. You get a

787
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 1: sense of where you can push. But yeah, I can

788
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:18,400
Speaker 1: just imagine how you're feeling before you walk in. You're

789
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 1: probably becoming more and more accustomed to it. But you

790
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:24,800
Speaker 1: raise the word ethics a lot during the talk and

791
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 1: a lot in the book, and it comes out there

792
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 1: was an approach by a daughter that wanted you to

793
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,759
Speaker 1: get up at her father's funeral and say that he

794
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 1: abused her, and you brought your private investigator skills to

795
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:41,439
Speaker 1: the table and you needed something more than just one

796
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:43,319
Speaker 1: person's word. Do you want to talk us through that

797
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:45,280
Speaker 1: or a similar type of situation.

798
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:49,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I can't, and I won't be engaged by

799
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 2: a third party. I can only be engaged by the

800
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:57,279
Speaker 2: person you know, whose story it is and who's going

801
00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 2: to die or not even close to death. But it's

802
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:03,399
Speaker 2: about them. I can't. You know. I've had a lady say, look,

803
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:05,719
Speaker 2: you know I want you to crash my husband's funeral. Well, no,

804
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 2: I need your husband to engage me. So I won't

805
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 2: do it on behalf of anybody except for those you

806
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 2: know that need my services directly. And I do that

807
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:19,760
Speaker 2: purely because the investigation is to look into their claims.

808
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:23,479
Speaker 2: When the person I'm supposed to crash for is laying

809
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 2: on his deathbed and I can't get two words out

810
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:28,839
Speaker 2: of him, I mean I can't do it. So as

811
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 2: an investigator, I do like to look at the claims

812
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 2: this particular lady you're talking about, I believe, you know,

813
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 2: like most of the world today. We all have mental

814
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:41,840
Speaker 2: health issues, you know, and it's a sad thing. But

815
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:47,759
Speaker 2: this lady had them in spades where she and I

816
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 2: got to say she was abuse, she was attacked, but

817
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 2: it was her husband. And it finally came out that

818
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:56,920
Speaker 2: she hated her father for not stopping her husband from

819
00:40:56,960 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 2: attacking her. She blamed her her father again. Her father

820
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 2: didn't engage me, so it wasn't going to happen anyway,

821
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 2: but she was a bit upset about that. And I mean,

822
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 2: I've had a multitude of people that call me names

823
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:13,280
Speaker 2: and are offensive and abusive because I won't crash their

824
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 2: relatives sooner, and I said, oh, if their relative can

825
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:17,880
Speaker 2: engage me, then I'll do it.

826
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 1: It makes a lot of sense. I could see it

827
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 1: all crashing and burning and ending in tears if you

828
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 1: didn't have that moral compass that you hold tight to.

829
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 1: How you go there? What about the way it's taken off?

830
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 1: You've gone from okay, Bill Edgar, and then all of

831
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 1: a sudden, you're doing interviews around the world and everyone's

832
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:41,320
Speaker 1: fascinated by what you're doing. Talk us through that, because

833
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 1: that's life changing in itself.

834
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 2: Oh, it's incredible. I mean I get a call at

835
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 2: two o'clock in the morning from a guy in America,

836
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 2: you know, who's an agent for a lawyer for Oprah

837
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 2: and all these people you know. And he's dropping names

838
00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:00,879
Speaker 2: and he's talking and he's real America and I'm going

839
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 2: to be your agent. I hung up on him, thanks

840
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:05,799
Speaker 2: me back, and he goes, no one ever thinks I

841
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 2: hung up again. Third time he calls back and he goes, okay, okay, okay,

842
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 2: I get it. I get it. I know I know

843
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 2: about you. I know you. I just listen to me

844
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:15,280
Speaker 2: for a couple of minutes. So I listened to him,

845
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:18,279
Speaker 2: and he says, just do some research on who I

846
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:20,880
Speaker 2: am and what I'm capable of, and we can we

847
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 2: can become good friends. Look, I really assure you that this,

848
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:26,839
Speaker 2: and I know you're investigator, so please just look at that.

849
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:31,240
Speaker 2: And so I looked into him, and I purposely waited

850
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 2: three days, and I've got a couple of emails that

851
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:35,360
Speaker 2: i'd never opened. Sometimes you can open an email and

852
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:37,239
Speaker 2: they can see that you've opened it. I didn't take

853
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 2: any text or calls or anything. And I really looked

854
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:44,839
Speaker 2: into this guy, and he was Chicago based and he's

855
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 2: a real Chicago boy, you know, and his family, you know,

856
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 2: the mobster elite. And he's a lawyer, very well known,

857
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:56,360
Speaker 2: I very well respected lawyer as well, you know. So

858
00:42:56,440 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 2: I phone him up two o'clock his morning, Steve, and

859
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 2: he goes, yeah, yeah Bill. Bill. I said, yeah, good mate.

860
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 2: I said, look, as my agent, this is what you

861
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 2: can look after me for, you know. And he's like, oh,

862
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:13,399
Speaker 2: that's so terrific. I'll send you a contract and I said,

863
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 2: no worry. So he sends over this contract and I

864
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 2: phone him up and I say, are you you're right

865
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 2: with this contract? Ah, I said, I've just shown up

866
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 2: my lawyers and they're saying that, are you comfortable. Oh, Bill,

867
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 2: I'm a multi million I'm very comfortable. I'm really comfortable

868
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 2: with it. It's not about the money, he says. I

869
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:33,799
Speaker 2: just lost my mama and I've got family that are

870
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 2: on their death and I've been watching you and I've

871
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:38,799
Speaker 2: seen some videos. Man, you're it. You're one of a coin.

872
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:40,399
Speaker 2: There's no one like you in the world and your

873
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 2: mine and I'm like, okay, cool. So yeah, he's been

874
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 2: my agent for the last couple of years and he's

875
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 2: been going around and he doesn't have to do much.

876
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 2: People google it and go, holy fun.

877
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 1: Well it is amazing because I remember when I first

878
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:55,279
Speaker 1: heard about you, it was exactly the same thing. He

879
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 1: what he did this? Or yeah, just amazing. Is there

880
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:02,479
Speaker 1: a tell me if you can't? But is there talk

881
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:05,320
Speaker 1: of any film rights or anything about the story.

882
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I signed with Paramount to start with. Now

883
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 2: I working with Hollywood is not fun as much as

884
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 2: people might think it is. It's not what I do

885
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 2: in life is. I'd like to keep what I own.

886
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 2: I don't sell anything. It's my integrity, it's my story

887
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:30,319
Speaker 2: in my life. Once you sign, you lose everything. They

888
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 2: own everything, and sure they pay you for it, but

889
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:37,400
Speaker 2: the money's not not your story anymore, and it's not me.

890
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:41,359
Speaker 2: It wasn't for sale. So Paramount sort of came back

891
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 2: and forth and I said, look, no, it's not for sale.

892
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:48,279
Speaker 2: Then all of a sudden, another company come forward from

893
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 2: Canada and England. They said, look, we want to do it.

894
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 2: A television series, a documentary, a reality show. We want

895
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:57,320
Speaker 2: to do all these things over the next couple of years.

896
00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 2: What do you think? First up, I said I want

897
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 2: to own it, and they said, yeah, it's yours. We

898
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 2: want to license it from you. I went beautiful and

899
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 2: to this day we have an Australian producer. There's people

900
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:11,719
Speaker 2: all over the world that are working collaboratory on all

901
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 2: this and it's been Yeah, it's really exciting to watch

902
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:14,719
Speaker 2: what they're doing.

903
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:19,320
Speaker 1: Full credit to you, and it is exciting. I'm genuinely

904
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 1: happy for you. It's amazing what's gone on your life

905
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 1: these days. Describe your life, your personal life. Still madly

906
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:32,359
Speaker 1: in love with that woman that you annoyed it as

907
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 1: a teenager.

908
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 2: I look io my life, so yeah, yeah, I'm madly

909
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 2: in love with her. She had a very bad accident

910
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 2: a couple of years ago on the horse. We have horses,

911
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 2: and the horse crushed her from the waist down and

912
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:49,799
Speaker 2: she's she learnt to walk again, which is absolutely Great's

913
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:53,720
Speaker 2: she has dropped foot and issues with hips and stuff,

914
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 2: and she's she's disabled in that capacity. But you know what,

915
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:01,399
Speaker 2: You've got to be proud of her. She got back

916
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:04,280
Speaker 2: on the fucking horse and she's riding around now and

917
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 2: she does everything that I think I rubbed off on her.

918
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:12,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, two spirited people, and maybe it was meant

919
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:14,759
Speaker 1: to be. When she told you to stop leaning back

920
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:16,840
Speaker 1: on your chair and a bit a ticker on a

921
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 1: bit of front. That's a bloke I'm going to marry,

922
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:21,800
Speaker 1: as seeing at school first time she's seen you. It

923
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:23,919
Speaker 1: must have been a good style of a bloke back then.

924
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 2: Life today though, I mean, we have a hobby farm,

925
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:29,880
Speaker 2: We've got twelve acres. It's just a nice lifestyle. Works

926
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 2: comes and goes. I still I'm true to myself. I don't.

927
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 2: I always say, and even Lara says the same thing.

928
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:39,240
Speaker 2: If I was in my twenties thirties and this happened,

929
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 2: I'd probably go nuts and bizarre, you know, and just

930
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:45,239
Speaker 2: but because and I am. I'm in my fifties and

931
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:45,880
Speaker 2: I enjoy it.

932
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 1: I love it. You're quite right, like if this came

933
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 1: to you too early, you would have blown it. You

934
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 1: would have got caught up in your own heuber and

935
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:56,279
Speaker 1: just importance.

936
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:59,240
Speaker 2: And yeah, yeah, And that's what I keep telling myself.

937
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 2: It's not about me, it's about them. If I keep

938
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:04,440
Speaker 2: the integrity and I keep doing what I do in

939
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:08,880
Speaker 2: the professional factor of being all for the client, nothing

940
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 2: should go wrong. And if I protect myself well with

941
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:13,840
Speaker 2: the contracts of videos and everything else. I mean, I

942
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 2: felt to certain people that you know, the media overseas

943
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 2: in America have said, oh, we want to talk to

944
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 2: a couple of the clients' families, give us their details.

945
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 2: And at first I did that once they hounded her,

946
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:30,279
Speaker 2: you know, so I don't do that anymore. I don't know.

947
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 1: You learn, you learn learn with those type of things,

948
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:36,399
Speaker 1: and you've got to protect those people who have put

949
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 1: their trust in you and different things. Now there's we're

950
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:42,239
Speaker 1: starting to run out of time. But there's one thing

951
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:44,800
Speaker 1: I'm going to ask you about because you freak me

952
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:49,400
Speaker 1: out in your book a lot I was enjoying. You

953
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:52,440
Speaker 1: feel needed to feel pain, so you went to the dentist.

954
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:55,840
Speaker 1: Just let me describe what I remember from this part.

955
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 1: You went to the dentist. You had seven feelings that

956
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 1: had the old ol minim feelings and you wanted them

957
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 1: replaced with porcelain. I get that, but you want it

958
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:08,799
Speaker 1: all done at the same time and without any anesthetic.

959
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:13,400
Speaker 1: What motivated that is that? Well, talk us through it.

960
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 2: I have this thing. I have a very high pain tolerance,

961
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:20,120
Speaker 2: and to feel pain is to feel alive for me.

962
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:23,440
Speaker 2: I believe that comes from the trauma and everything I experienced,

963
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:26,440
Speaker 2: because I find it hard to feel pain I have

964
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 2: the feelings of empathy and sympathy and you know, and

965
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 2: love and all that, and it's not very often. It

966
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:35,719
Speaker 2: used to be often, because I'd go out and just

967
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 2: get bashed up and I'd stand there and laugh because

968
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:41,239
Speaker 2: I'd enjoy it, because I'd go like, I'm alive, you know.

969
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 2: And just recently it was not long ago that it

970
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:48,319
Speaker 2: came to me, and it came to me in a wave,

971
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 2: and I had to feel pain, but I didn't want

972
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 2: to hurt anybody, and I just I went to the

973
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 2: dentist and I convinced her that, you know, this is

974
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:58,879
Speaker 2: what I needed to do. If anything goes wrong, it's

975
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:01,239
Speaker 2: not on you. I signed it disclosure and everything. And

976
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 2: she's she started and I tell you, tooth by tooth,

977
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:07,759
Speaker 2: She's like she was crying in pain, and she's like,

978
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 2: are you okay, And I'm like, I'm fine, just keep going,

979
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:13,239
Speaker 2: don't stop. And it was I tell you, there's no

980
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:15,879
Speaker 2: more pain than getting your teeth file drilled dug out

981
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:17,360
Speaker 2: without an aesthetic.

982
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:21,440
Speaker 1: I'm sitting here cringing, cringing. Now I'm not going to

983
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:23,400
Speaker 1: say I understand you with the teeth. You're going to

984
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 1: drag me into the dances, but I understand it, and

985
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 1: you do boxing. Sometimes I say to people, if I'm

986
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 1: in mental state or whatever, it just feels good to

987
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:34,879
Speaker 1: be hit because it makes you feel alive. I would

988
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 1: have just done four teeth. I wouldn't have done seven.

989
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:39,440
Speaker 2: You know what, when she was halfway through, I just

990
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 2: couldn't stop just doing more, you know.

991
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 1: And yeah, I look and pain. It was told to

992
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 1: me like pain. It comes up like a triangle and

993
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:49,919
Speaker 1: it gets to the point where that's the extreme part.

994
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 1: It can't get any worse. Sit there and take it.

995
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:56,360
Speaker 1: So there is ways of ways of dealing with the pain.

996
00:49:56,840 --> 00:50:00,399
Speaker 1: Look wrapping up, I just want to say a couple things.

997
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:03,239
Speaker 1: I don't think we lose the importance of the messaging

998
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:06,160
Speaker 1: that you put out with survivors of child's sexual abuse

999
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:09,400
Speaker 1: and the impact it has and hearing your story. People

1000
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 1: should listen to it and what we talk about. Anyone

1001
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:15,359
Speaker 1: that knows about these type of crimes going on and

1002
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 1: doesn't do anything, they should be as complicit as a

1003
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:21,879
Speaker 1: person inflicting the crimes. The fact that you got through

1004
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:25,319
Speaker 1: your life. And when I say, because I'm choosing my

1005
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:27,759
Speaker 1: words not to say you turned it round because you

1006
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 1: didn't have a choice which direction it was going in.

1007
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:32,879
Speaker 1: It was just pointed you in the direction said good luck.

1008
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:36,839
Speaker 1: But you're doing some positive stuff and your spirit and

1009
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 1: your tenacity comes through. But also you delved into an

1010
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 1: area that I didn't think you could touch on so

1011
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 1: many people's lives. But I read this book hard Ass

1012
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:49,319
Speaker 1: Homicide Detective, and it made me start thinking about death

1013
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:53,200
Speaker 1: and life. So you're here onto something and yeah, I

1014
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:55,319
Speaker 1: just like to congratulate you on the way that you've

1015
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:57,120
Speaker 1: lived your life and the things that you're achieving.

1016
00:50:57,560 --> 00:51:00,359
Speaker 2: Oh thanks, make it means a lot, really does. I mean,

1017
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:02,839
Speaker 2: you know, touching people the way I do is just yeah,

1018
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:06,440
Speaker 2: it's an amazing feeling. And you know at the start

1019
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 2: of the book when I say, you know I was

1020
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:13,160
Speaker 2: looking for the man that I really was. You know,

1021
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 2: I saw him in my reflection, was standing right in

1022
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:18,759
Speaker 2: front of me. I just couldn't see him until I

1023
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:22,640
Speaker 2: became a grandparent. Look out for all the success and

1024
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:25,320
Speaker 2: you've got. So this is this is your second book,

1025
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 2: The Afterlife Confessional. You've got a third book coming out. Yeah,

1026
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:34,480
Speaker 2: I'm planning on the third book. I don't think I'm

1027
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:37,160
Speaker 2: ever going to run out of stories because everyone's going

1028
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:37,680
Speaker 2: to die.

1029
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 1: What's your funeral going to be like? Just finishing off?

1030
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:44,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, look, I'm not having a funeral. I've my whole

1031
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:47,800
Speaker 2: family knows that I'm to be cremated, thrown in the ocean,

1032
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:50,279
Speaker 2: followed by a bottle of port, have a nice dinner

1033
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:52,239
Speaker 2: and a chat and a thought about me, and that's it.

1034
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 2: That's it for me, beautiful. But there'll be a secret

1035
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:56,719
Speaker 2: that'll come out in hologram.

1036
00:51:56,760 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 1: Now now you're talking that's exciting. Well, I won't say

1037
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:01,640
Speaker 1: I look for it. Hopefully it's a long time down

1038
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:04,440
Speaker 1: the track. But look, thanks very much, Bill, thanks for

1039
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:06,880
Speaker 1: taking the time. I know you're busy, and I've really

1040
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:08,560
Speaker 1: enjoyed the chat.

1041
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 2: Gary has been wonderful. Thanks so much, mate.

1042
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:16,680
Speaker 1: Cheers. Well, that was a two hour chat I had

1043
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:18,400
Speaker 1: with Bill Edgar, and I've got to say it felt

1044
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 1: like ten minutes. He's got such an interesting life story

1045
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:23,320
Speaker 1: and what happened to him as a child that shouldn't

1046
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 1: happen to anyone, and the stories of going into a

1047
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:29,200
Speaker 1: male adult prison as a seventeen year old, it's just

1048
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:32,160
Speaker 1: quite chilling. And then you've got the aspect of what

1049
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:34,319
Speaker 1: he does as a coffin confessor, and i've got to

1050
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:36,879
Speaker 1: say it's given me a different perspective on life and death.

1051
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:39,799
Speaker 1: And that's saying something coming from a homicide detective. But

1052
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:43,840
Speaker 1: I found him really interesting to chat with and quite frankly,

1053
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:44,880
Speaker 1: quite inspiration