WEBVTT - The Bolt Report | 24 September 0:00:15.250 --> 0:00:17.930 Good evening and welcome to The Bolt Report. I'm James McPherson. 0:00:17.950 --> 0:00:20.630 Here's what's coming up tonight. The Prime Minister tries to 0:00:20.750 --> 0:00:23.930 backtrack after letting slip what he dubbed the truth about 0:00:23.989 --> 0:00:26.770 his digital duty of care laws. That was during a 0:00:26.860 --> 0:00:29.600 speech at the United Nations. Turns out it's not just 0:00:29.680 --> 0:00:33.120 about protecting the kids. Senior One Nation MP Barnaby Joyce 0:00:33.140 --> 0:00:36.360 will react to that and much more shortly. Shadow Energy 0:00:36.380 --> 0:00:38.870 Minister Dan Tehan will join the program to explain the 0:00:38.909 --> 0:00:42.810 Coalition's antidote to Labor's green nightmare, and he'll also respond 0:00:42.850 --> 0:00:45.850 to Malcolm Turnbull's criticism of the plan. You will not 0:00:45.890 --> 0:00:49.150 want to miss that. Plus, with the state elections so close, 0:00:49.590 --> 0:00:52.800 are the Victorian Liberals at risk of being distracted? Today 0:00:52.840 --> 0:00:55.860 we saw reports they want to use ministerial powers to 0:00:55.980 --> 0:01:00.040 stop the AFL from staging a night grand final. My 0:01:00.100 --> 0:01:03.650 panel will discuss that later on. And remember that selfie 0:01:03.770 --> 0:01:07.190 Anthony Albanese took with Donald Trump at the United Nations? Well, 0:01:07.209 --> 0:01:09.790 it wasn't quite the catch-up our Prime Minister has made 0:01:09.810 --> 0:01:12.390 it out to be. I'll show you exactly where that 0:01:12.490 --> 0:01:16.010 photo was taken a little later in the show. But first, 0:01:16.350 --> 0:01:20.170 in my view, the Prime Minister has three problems. Now, 0:01:20.190 --> 0:01:22.330 I know what you're thinking, Jim Chalmers, Chris Bowen and 0:01:22.390 --> 0:01:25.229 Annika Wells. But I mean, aside from those three problems, 0:01:25.730 --> 0:01:29.500 there's three more. His love of grandstanding, his loose lips 0:01:29.640 --> 0:01:33.620 and his propensity to lie when he finds himself in trouble. 0:01:34.200 --> 0:01:37.480 And all three problems collided overnight when on the world 0:01:37.540 --> 0:01:40.860 stage in New York, he said the quiet bit out loud. 0:01:41.440 --> 0:01:44.720 And then when confronted about it, well... You know what 0:01:44.760 --> 0:01:47.960 he does. The Global Citizen of the Year was holding 0:01:48.040 --> 0:01:52.200 court alongside French President Emmanuel Macron as he explained his 0:01:52.310 --> 0:01:56.550 world leading legislation to ban children from accessing social media. Now, 0:01:57.190 --> 0:02:00.710 the fact the legislation hasn't really worked was rather beside 0:02:00.730 --> 0:02:03.270 the point. The rest of the world doesn't know that. 0:02:03.430 --> 0:02:06.690 And what matters is that it's world first and it 0:02:06.730 --> 0:02:10.130 allows Western leaders who've long given up securing their borders 0:02:10.770 --> 0:02:12.930 to at least claim to be erecting a sovereign border 0:02:12.990 --> 0:02:16.890 around Facebook. The other great thing about the under-16 social 0:02:16.950 --> 0:02:20.690 media ban is it provides the perfect gateway for the 0:02:20.750 --> 0:02:23.760 next instalment. For the sake of the kids, of course. 0:02:24.380 --> 0:02:26.839 Because once government has established that it can regulate what 0:02:26.960 --> 0:02:30.020 children see online, well, it's only a short stroll to 0:02:30.060 --> 0:02:34.330 explaining what adults should see. for the sake of the children, naturally. 0:02:35.030 --> 0:02:37.130 And you know how these things work. I mean, one 0:02:37.169 --> 0:02:41.090 regulation leads to another regulation. One exception becomes a framework. 0:02:41.230 --> 0:02:45.500 One temporary measure becomes a permanent institution. And before long, 0:02:46.139 --> 0:02:48.240 the government's standing at the front door of the internet, 0:02:48.300 --> 0:02:51.750 firmly holding the keys, while giving you, in a gentle voice, 0:02:52.110 --> 0:02:54.490 an assurance that it's all about giving you more freedom. 0:02:55.419 --> 0:02:58.940 So Anthony Albanese, clearly enjoying his moment as the international 0:02:59.020 --> 0:03:02.459 statesman of screen time, decided to tell the world about 0:03:02.480 --> 0:03:04.779 the government's latest online intervention. 0:03:05.820 --> 0:03:09.030 We call it My Feed My Way. And that is 0:03:09.130 --> 0:03:13.830 legislation that will enable people of any age to be 0:03:13.910 --> 0:03:18.049 able to control whether they want the algorithms to come 0:03:18.090 --> 0:03:21.669 through on their devices or not, or whether they can 0:03:21.750 --> 0:03:22.230 choose to. 0:03:25.360 --> 0:03:29.959 Just receive the feeds of people who they follow and 0:03:29.980 --> 0:03:31.220 to be in charge. 0:03:32.380 --> 0:03:35.760 The Prime Minister then acknowledged, unprompted, that not everyone was 0:03:35.860 --> 0:03:39.180 thrilled about his attempt to regulate algorithms, not least of 0:03:39.220 --> 0:03:42.310 which is the Trump administration, who slammed the move as 0:03:42.340 --> 0:03:46.210 coming dangerously close to censorship. But they've all got it wrong, 0:03:46.350 --> 0:03:47.590 Elbow told those assembled. 0:03:48.630 --> 0:03:53.410 The criticism of this legislation is not surprising that this 0:03:53.470 --> 0:03:57.119 is about government control. It is the opposite of that. 0:03:57.760 --> 0:04:01.870 It's about giving everyone a control over their own lives. 0:04:03.060 --> 0:04:06.180 All this Labor government wants is to give everyone control 0:04:06.380 --> 0:04:10.520 over their own lives. That's an interesting philosophy from a 0:04:10.560 --> 0:04:13.460 government that regulates what employers can ask of staff, what 0:04:13.560 --> 0:04:17.159 cars manufacturers can sell, and what environmental rules apply to 0:04:17.200 --> 0:04:21.600 your property. But I digress. The PM could have stopped there, 0:04:21.680 --> 0:04:25.220 but remember I said he loves a stage? Figuratively, I mean. 0:04:25.300 --> 0:04:27.339 He has a history of falling off real ones, not 0:04:27.380 --> 0:04:29.970 that he'd ever tell you. And remember I said he 0:04:30.010 --> 0:04:33.490 has loose lips, so given a global stage and loving 0:04:33.570 --> 0:04:37.730 all the attention, Albanese wandered into the weeds and kept going. 0:04:38.650 --> 0:04:43.650 It's an inevitable next stage because whilst today we're concentrating 0:04:43.710 --> 0:04:46.820 on the impact on children, the truth is this is 0:04:46.880 --> 0:04:50.159 having an impact on our entire society and how it 0:04:50.240 --> 0:04:56.560 functions with misinformation, disinformation, with the increased polarisation that we're 0:04:56.600 --> 0:05:00.980 seeing as well. in the political system where people are 0:05:01.040 --> 0:05:03.960 moving away from the centre and more and more to 0:05:03.980 --> 0:05:06.460 the extremes, be they of the left or the right. 0:05:07.520 --> 0:05:11.050 And that is why we think that this is a 0:05:11.089 --> 0:05:15.029 very positive move that we're being put forward. 0:05:16.410 --> 0:05:19.630 Whoa, did he just say the quiet part out loud? 0:05:20.210 --> 0:05:23.050 I'm pretty sure he just said the next stage after 0:05:23.089 --> 0:05:28.440 the under-16 social media ban was dealing with misinformation and disinformation, 0:05:28.600 --> 0:05:31.760 which are very rubbery terms. And I'm pretty sure he 0:05:31.800 --> 0:05:34.920 said the next stage, which is the digital duty of care, 0:05:35.520 --> 0:05:39.000 was a positive move he's put forward to deal with 0:05:39.040 --> 0:05:41.219 what he sees as a problem in the political system, 0:05:41.779 --> 0:05:44.420 people moving to what he considers to be extremes, which 0:05:44.540 --> 0:05:48.390 sounds a lot like... One nation? This is the very 0:05:48.450 --> 0:05:51.210 thing so many of us in Australia have been concerned about. 0:05:51.760 --> 0:05:53.800 And this is the very thing the Trump administration just 0:05:53.839 --> 0:05:58.480 this week have warned about. Whatever the PM says, the 0:05:58.520 --> 0:06:01.480 draft legislation of his digital duty of care contains a 0:06:01.520 --> 0:06:06.670 provision allowing the communications minister to designate additional forms of 0:06:06.710 --> 0:06:10.950 harm beyond what's written in the legislation, which means... the 0:06:10.990 --> 0:06:14.790 government isn't merely writing rules about the internet, it's creating 0:06:14.850 --> 0:06:19.040 a mechanism by which the rules can grow. Digital duty 0:06:19.080 --> 0:06:22.400 of care, thy name is Trojan horse, or at least 0:06:22.760 --> 0:06:26.300 sounds a lot like that. Well, today, journalists asked the 0:06:26.339 --> 0:06:29.919 Prime Minister about the rather obvious connection that he'd just made. 0:06:30.540 --> 0:06:32.980 Why was he proposing to limit what kinds of political 0:06:33.060 --> 0:06:37.640 messages people could see online? And suddenly, well, the memory 0:06:37.700 --> 0:06:38.489 hole opened. 0:06:39.670 --> 0:06:40.430 Well, it's nonsense. 0:06:42.790 --> 0:06:44.350 People have. 0:06:44.390 --> 0:06:47.870 This isn't about government control at all. It's not about 0:06:48.050 --> 0:06:53.670 misinformation or disinformation. What this is about is giving people control. 0:06:54.660 --> 0:06:58.440 Yeah, yeah, we know that's the government line, except forgetting 0:06:58.480 --> 0:07:02.020 himself in the presence of other world leaders. Hadn't Albanese 0:07:02.279 --> 0:07:04.940 linked his digital duty of care with an attempt to 0:07:05.000 --> 0:07:08.110 deal with what he clearly articulated were the problems of 0:07:08.350 --> 0:07:12.430 misinformation and disinformation and so-called political extremes? 0:07:13.450 --> 0:07:15.090 Why did you link the two yesterday? 0:07:15.970 --> 0:07:17.430 I didn't link the two yesterday. 0:07:17.450 --> 0:07:18.930 I didn't link the two. 0:07:20.000 --> 0:07:24.010 And that's where Elbow's third problem kicks in. He says things, 0:07:24.590 --> 0:07:27.230 and then when those things become inconvenient, he tells you 0:07:27.250 --> 0:07:30.550 he didn't say them because he most certainly did link 0:07:30.610 --> 0:07:33.650 his digital duty of care with a move to combat 0:07:33.690 --> 0:07:37.460 messaging he doesn't like. You heard it with your ears. Now, 0:07:37.620 --> 0:07:39.820 let me show you with your eyes. He said the 0:07:39.840 --> 0:07:42.780 digital duty of care was, and I'm quoting here, an 0:07:42.840 --> 0:07:49.290 inevitable next stage because with misinformation and disinformation, as well 0:07:49.330 --> 0:07:51.410 in the political system where people are moving away from 0:07:51.450 --> 0:07:54.490 the centre to the extremes, be they of the left 0:07:54.550 --> 0:07:57.470 or the right. And that is why we think that 0:07:57.590 --> 0:08:02.410 this is a very positive move that we're putting forward. 0:08:02.430 --> 0:08:06.000 I don't believe your lying eyes or your lying ears. 0:08:06.020 --> 0:08:10.860 I didn't link the two yesterday. I didn't link the two. 0:08:11.600 --> 0:08:15.380 Prime Minister, you clearly linked the two. Just like you 0:08:15.480 --> 0:08:19.989 clearly promised $ 275 off power bills, clearly fell off the stage, 0:08:20.310 --> 0:08:23.429 clearly said you wouldn't change capital gains tax and clearly 0:08:23.490 --> 0:08:25.430 referenced the Japanese Prime Minister's melons. 0:08:26.410 --> 0:08:31.840 I spoke about the technological challenges which are facing the world. 0:08:32.559 --> 0:08:34.819 And one of the issues that is facing the world 0:08:34.880 --> 0:08:38.960 is increased polarisation. And there is no question that social 0:08:39.000 --> 0:08:42.490 media is playing a role in that. Now, that's a 0:08:42.530 --> 0:08:47.380 very different question from then government taking action to control 0:08:47.880 --> 0:08:49.060 what you receive. 0:08:50.179 --> 0:08:52.700 I love how the only person who continually takes the 0:08:52.720 --> 0:08:55.880 prime minister's words out of context seems to be the 0:08:55.920 --> 0:08:59.020 prime minister. So having told us that we certainly hadn't 0:08:59.080 --> 0:09:01.890 heard him say what he'd very clearly said, he then 0:09:01.950 --> 0:09:06.310 employed a common but highly effective rhetorical trick. Having told 0:09:06.350 --> 0:09:10.090 the lie, he then quickly changed the subject, pretending it's 0:09:10.130 --> 0:09:11.010 the same subject. 0:09:12.270 --> 0:09:15.290 Now, If people want to receive far right or far 0:09:15.340 --> 0:09:19.340 left material, we're seeing a massive rise. We've seen with 0:09:19.440 --> 0:09:24.280 the rise of anti-Semitism, with the look at anyone's feed, 0:09:24.640 --> 0:09:27.960 look at my feed at random of any site, and 0:09:28.000 --> 0:09:30.599 I can be talking about the football and I will 0:09:30.660 --> 0:09:35.219 have something on there that is full of hateful rhetoric. 0:09:36.220 --> 0:09:39.280 So that's just a fact. And as public. 0:09:39.080 --> 0:09:41.740 Office holders, I think we have a responsibility to talk 0:09:41.760 --> 0:09:42.120 about that. 0:09:43.380 --> 0:09:45.640 I love the way he threw anti-Semitism in there as 0:09:45.679 --> 0:09:48.160 if the Albanese government that had to be dragged kicking 0:09:48.200 --> 0:09:51.730 and screaming to call the Royal Commission into anti-Semitism suddenly 0:09:51.780 --> 0:09:55.050 sees it as a first order issue. We all know 0:09:55.090 --> 0:09:57.730 why he mentioned that, because no one's going to argue 0:09:57.770 --> 0:10:02.020 that anti-Semitic material should be published online. except anti-Semitism had 0:10:02.059 --> 0:10:04.800 exactly nothing to do with the subject at hand, which 0:10:04.920 --> 0:10:08.819 is exactly why the PM threw it in there. Me, 0:10:08.920 --> 0:10:11.160 wanting to use the digital duty of care to control 0:10:11.179 --> 0:10:15.760 the political narrative? Look over there, anti-Semitism. and they want 0:10:15.840 --> 0:10:18.420 us to give them the keys to the internet. They 0:10:18.460 --> 0:10:25.360 have got to be joking. Joining me now is One 0:10:25.400 --> 0:10:29.080 Nation MP and former Deputy Prime Minister Barnaby Joyce. Barnaby, 0:10:29.140 --> 0:10:31.860 thanks for coming on the program. Has the Prime Minister 0:10:31.900 --> 0:10:34.800 been caught out by his own words once again? 0:10:36.920 --> 0:10:38.520 I'm going to translate for you. 0:10:38.800 --> 0:10:43.900 Misinformation and disinformation is labour language for Pauline Hanson and 0:10:43.940 --> 0:10:48.070 Barnaby Joyce. That's what misinformation and disinformation is. And later on, 0:10:48.090 --> 0:10:50.410 it'll be you, James. And later on, it'll be someone else, 0:10:50.429 --> 0:10:52.990 some of your listeners. This is the censoring of the 0:10:53.070 --> 0:10:57.329 public square. It is saying, I don't concur. 0:10:56.870 --> 0:10:59.500 With the views of other people. So I'll say their 0:10:59.540 --> 0:11:03.210 views are illegal. It's all William. It's disgraceful. We have 0:11:03.230 --> 0:11:05.050 to be incredibly careful about. 0:11:04.870 --> 0:11:08.080 This because what we are seeing, by his own words, 0:11:08.740 --> 0:11:12.300 is he's putting out the stalking horse of protecting children, 0:11:13.860 --> 0:11:16.800 and there's a form of virtue in that. But we 0:11:16.820 --> 0:11:19.500 know his ultimate goal, the Labor goal, the socialist goal, 0:11:20.340 --> 0:11:25.200 is to hold power by just banning discordant voices, that is, 0:11:25.400 --> 0:11:27.790 any person who disagrees with socialism. 0:11:28.890 --> 0:11:32.689 You said that when the PM refers to misinformation and disinformation, 0:11:32.770 --> 0:11:37.059 he's referring to One Nation. What about when he talks about, 0:11:37.120 --> 0:11:39.319 you know, we need to do something to stop the 0:11:39.360 --> 0:11:41.920 political extremes? What do you think he's talking about there? 0:11:41.940 --> 0:11:45.210 Well, you've seen me for a while and I think 0:11:45.230 --> 0:11:46.690 your viewers have known me for a while. 0:11:47.550 --> 0:11:48.930 Do you see me as extreme? 0:11:49.170 --> 0:11:51.610 Do you look and say, well, there is obviously a 0:11:52.190 --> 0:11:56.880 person who is a fascist or an anti-Semite or... No, 0:11:57.660 --> 0:12:00.920 we have a strong view. We are conservatives. And I 0:12:00.960 --> 0:12:03.700 can understand why you would not want, you know, the 0:12:03.740 --> 0:12:07.370 Nazi Party or something on there. Got that completely. But 0:12:07.450 --> 0:12:09.630 I just don't trust them. I don't trust them because 0:12:09.650 --> 0:12:12.130 they don't tell the truth. And when people have proven 0:12:12.150 --> 0:12:15.179 themselves to be liars... You've got to be really, really 0:12:15.300 --> 0:12:18.400 careful when they give warrants as to their future actions. 0:12:19.090 --> 0:12:21.209 You must dismiss them because you say, I just don't 0:12:21.270 --> 0:12:22.830 trust you. You're a liar. 0:12:23.790 --> 0:12:25.790 And that's the problem when you've got a government that 0:12:25.850 --> 0:12:30.860 you legitimately don't trust asking to start policing the internet. 0:12:30.900 --> 0:12:33.900 You'd just be mad to hand over the keys. Speaking 0:12:33.940 --> 0:12:37.470 of which... Was it pure coincidence the PM just happened 0:12:37.510 --> 0:12:40.150 to be in New York promoting the regulation of AI 0:12:40.230 --> 0:12:43.490 when he finally decided to tell us about an open 0:12:43.610 --> 0:12:46.610 AI agent hacking into Medicare data? Because, I mean, he'd 0:12:46.650 --> 0:12:48.390 known about this for a couple of weeks. I'm not 0:12:48.450 --> 0:12:51.120 saying it's not something that needs to be addressed, but 0:12:51.170 --> 0:12:53.420 just the timing was curious. 0:12:54.500 --> 0:12:59.260 Yes. Look, all this stuff looks like, to be quite frank, propaganda. 0:13:00.020 --> 0:13:02.420 What they've done is they've said, that's useful for us 0:13:02.460 --> 0:13:06.160 to achieve our objective and which is censorship, and we'll 0:13:06.240 --> 0:13:09.440 roll this material out when it suits our objective. The 0:13:09.460 --> 0:13:11.640 Australian people had a right to know about that. I mean, 0:13:12.000 --> 0:13:15.870 I know it's aggregated information, that is, information from all sources. 0:13:15.950 --> 0:13:16.329 It's not. 0:13:17.830 --> 0:13:21.130 Specific information. But the Australian people had a right to 0:13:21.170 --> 0:13:22.370 know about that immediately. 0:13:23.110 --> 0:13:23.170 If. 0:13:23.840 --> 0:13:26.520 Richard Miles comes out and says, don't worry, it's aggregated information, 0:13:26.580 --> 0:13:27.800 it's not your personal details. 0:13:28.500 --> 0:13:31.040 Well, why did you wait till now to tell us? Well, 0:13:31.400 --> 0:13:32.160 what is that about? 0:13:32.300 --> 0:13:36.830 Except you're utilising that for your own political purpose. And 0:13:36.890 --> 0:13:39.410 that just rings even more alarm bells as to why 0:13:39.470 --> 0:13:43.450 we can't trust you and why these new censorship laws, 0:13:43.470 --> 0:13:45.620 and let's call them for what they are, We must 0:13:45.740 --> 0:13:48.480 fight against them because, James, it's only a matter of 0:13:48.540 --> 0:13:51.820 time before, you know, the police turn up at Sky 0:13:51.860 --> 0:13:55.020 News at night and say, well, you know, you be careful, 0:13:55.040 --> 0:13:58.010 be careful what you say, you know. 0:13:58.030 --> 0:13:59.470 We'll let you get away with it this time, but. 0:14:01.240 --> 0:14:03.120 A little bit of a jail term coming your way, mate. 0:14:03.640 --> 0:14:05.700 Barnaby, if they turn up at Sky News, it'll be fine. 0:14:05.740 --> 0:14:09.110 We're News 24 now, so it'll all be good. 0:14:09.290 --> 0:14:10.250 Sorry, sorry, News 24. 0:14:10.250 --> 0:14:13.550 No, no, the government... Don't tell them. The government announced 0:14:13.630 --> 0:14:17.710 today a special task force to examine Australia's security against 0:14:17.950 --> 0:14:21.670 AI threats. Good move. But given that Albanese had been 0:14:21.720 --> 0:14:24.600 telling the whole world that AI is a threat, it's 0:14:24.680 --> 0:14:26.740 a wonder the government hadn't thought to examine our own 0:14:26.800 --> 0:14:28.760 security until it was breached. 0:14:29.680 --> 0:14:29.980 Yeah, well. 0:14:30.520 --> 0:14:34.080 What we've seen here, I mean, AI is a threat, 0:14:34.980 --> 0:14:38.250 and totalitarian regimes such as the Communist Party in China, 0:14:39.370 --> 0:14:43.830 they're not in the realm of following the laws and 0:14:43.890 --> 0:14:46.270 edicts of Australia or the United States. They are going 0:14:46.390 --> 0:14:50.290 flat out to develop themselves, and they'll use every strategic 0:14:50.330 --> 0:14:55.530 advantage at their disposal, and we hope that they would understand... 0:14:55.760 --> 0:14:57.520 Because people have got to understand, this is like a 0:14:57.880 --> 0:15:02.100 computer program that thinks for itself, that can become the 0:15:02.140 --> 0:15:05.070 programmers of better forms of itself, that has its own 0:15:05.170 --> 0:15:08.890 views that do not require human interaction, and their own 0:15:08.930 --> 0:15:13.530 views can determine its own actions, its own actions. And 0:15:13.590 --> 0:15:16.580 so it is, there is quite a bit of menace 0:15:16.700 --> 0:15:21.480 in that. But I don't, I think that what you'll 0:15:21.520 --> 0:15:23.260 have is censorship in Australia. 0:15:23.790 --> 0:15:24.370 and still the. 0:15:24.410 --> 0:15:28.500 Capacity for access to the problems of this from other 0:15:28.540 --> 0:15:34.280 places because we have this thing called telephone, the internet, 0:15:34.800 --> 0:15:36.730 and if you're not using it domestically, you're just going 0:15:36.750 --> 0:15:38.790 to be reaching out and using it from overseas. 0:15:40.170 --> 0:15:43.930 Anthony Albanese has inked a new $ 60 million security pact 0:15:44.050 --> 0:15:48.660 with Ukraine after an emotional reunion with the Ukrainian president 0:15:48.700 --> 0:15:53.260 at the UN. The deal includes $ 45 million in Australian 0:15:53.300 --> 0:15:57.300 Defence Force equipment, $ 10 million for Ukraine's energy security, $ 5 0:15:56.960 --> 0:15:59.250 million for humanitarian aid. Here's what the pair had to 0:15:59.300 --> 0:16:00.310 say when they met. 0:16:00.330 --> 0:16:05.550 Australia proudly stands with Ukraine. We made that commitment at 0:16:05.590 --> 0:16:07.630 the very beginning of this conflict. 0:16:08.530 --> 0:16:11.100 And we have not wavered and we will not waver. 0:16:11.640 --> 0:16:16.560 Thank you for such great support from the very beginning 0:16:16.780 --> 0:16:17.800 of this war. 0:16:19.040 --> 0:16:21.200 Good use of money. Barnaby, are you happy about this? 0:16:23.510 --> 0:16:27.070 Well, you know, I think, you know, obviously our sympathies 0:16:27.110 --> 0:16:29.070 with Ukraine and there's. 0:16:28.910 --> 0:16:31.610 No doubt about it, the provocateur in. 0:16:31.610 --> 0:16:36.800 This is Russia. We have a lot of issues close 0:16:36.820 --> 0:16:39.290 to home. We have a lot of issues close to home. 0:16:40.030 --> 0:16:42.750 This is a European problem, and I understand that completely. 0:16:43.610 --> 0:16:48.670 We have massive problems right on our back doorstep. So, yes, 0:16:48.750 --> 0:16:53.660 we support Ukraine, but just realise that the thing that... 0:16:54.240 --> 0:16:55.900 It's not the Russia-Ukraine war that's going to be an 0:16:55.920 --> 0:17:00.340 issue for us. It's basically the projection of power by 0:17:00.400 --> 0:17:05.949 a communist utilitarian regime that could be the. 0:17:06.690 --> 0:17:09.510 quite frank, turn Australia into a vassal state. 0:17:10.770 --> 0:17:14.730 Anthony Albanese was last night honoured with a Global Citizen Award. 0:17:14.750 --> 0:17:15.630 Now, this is garbage. 0:17:16.350 --> 0:17:18.780 I thought you might like this one. We've got a 0:17:18.800 --> 0:17:21.859 photo here of him alongside 11 luminaries, including the Formula 0:17:21.940 --> 0:17:25.320 One boss, a Grammy Award winner, and, of course, Keanu Reeves. 0:17:26.600 --> 0:17:28.419 Was it deserved? What do you think about the photo? 0:17:29.100 --> 0:17:32.120 It's just junk. It's just pedal junk. I mean, what 0:17:32.160 --> 0:17:33.119 is this? This is fluff. 0:17:33.200 --> 0:17:33.600 I mean.... 0:17:35.100 --> 0:17:37.240 You know who should be sitting in that front row? 0:17:37.560 --> 0:17:42.560 Mr 20% popularity. That's what's there. I mean, it is 0:17:42.760 --> 0:17:45.340 all the time you get this, James. They start as 0:17:45.380 --> 0:17:48.179 the Prime Minister and then they evolve to be the 0:17:48.220 --> 0:17:51.879 President and it culminates as they believe they're the King 0:17:52.440 --> 0:17:56.300 and then they want adoration, adoration, regal adoration for the King, 0:17:56.340 --> 0:17:56.930 for their.... 0:17:58.810 --> 0:18:03.490 Benevolent light for their godlike presence. It's garbage. Does anybody 0:18:03.510 --> 0:18:05.810 in Australia give a toss about any of that rubbish? 0:18:07.330 --> 0:18:10.250 I don't think so. Maybe Jodie does and I wouldn't 0:18:10.270 --> 0:18:11.010 blame her if she did. 0:18:11.230 --> 0:18:14.149 What's his pup's name? Toto or something like that. 0:18:15.990 --> 0:18:19.520 Good luck to them. Hey, before you go, Barnaby, during 0:18:19.540 --> 0:18:22.100 the week, big news after you revealed that you'd had 0:18:22.200 --> 0:18:26.679 discussions with very high-ranking Liberals about a deal between the 0:18:26.740 --> 0:18:29.740 Coalition and One Nation in the event of a hung Parliament. 0:18:30.800 --> 0:18:33.640 Liberal after Liberal has come out one after another saying, 0:18:33.880 --> 0:18:35.700 we've had nothing to do with this, we haven't heard 0:18:35.740 --> 0:18:36.649 of this, it wasn't us. 0:18:37.520 --> 0:18:40.270 Oh, yeah. James, yeah, obviously I make it up. You know, 0:18:40.290 --> 0:18:43.370 I get bored of you. You make this rubbish up. Look, 0:18:43.650 --> 0:18:44.830 the question you pose back to. 0:18:44.790 --> 0:18:47.910 Them is saying, are you seriously saying, are you seriously 0:18:47.970 --> 0:18:50.550 contemplating that if you required. 0:18:50.570 --> 0:18:53.570 If you were almost there and you required the numbers 0:18:53.630 --> 0:18:55.450 from One Nation to get. 0:18:54.710 --> 0:18:56.950 of supply and confidence, we're not going to go into 0:18:56.990 --> 0:18:58.470 coalition with them. We're our own party. 0:18:59.390 --> 0:19:01.320 We are going to stand in every seat, but we 0:19:01.490 --> 0:19:04.340 want to get rid of the socialists. So you're saying 0:19:04.380 --> 0:19:07.840 to us, Coalition, that if we got close... you wouldn't 0:19:07.900 --> 0:19:10.800 take the numbers for confidence and supply of us. Please 0:19:10.820 --> 0:19:13.090 just look down the barrel and say you would never 0:19:13.119 --> 0:19:17.030 do that because we know it's garbage. We know absolutely 0:19:17.050 --> 0:19:20.270 you're discussing this behind closed doors and we know absolutely 0:19:20.530 --> 0:19:23.070 there are people from the Liberal Party and, you know, 0:19:23.350 --> 0:19:26.330 possibly the National Party who are discussing it with people. 0:19:26.109 --> 0:19:26.930 From One Nation. 0:19:27.230 --> 0:19:29.859 And if they didn't, they're reprehensible because our goal is 0:19:29.880 --> 0:19:32.520 to get rid of the socialists. We don't really want 0:19:32.560 --> 0:19:34.220 to get rid of the Liberal Party or the Coalition. 0:19:34.240 --> 0:19:35.480 We want to get rid of the socialists. 0:19:36.119 --> 0:19:38.900 And I get that feel not only from political figures 0:19:38.940 --> 0:19:41.580 but from senior business people, from people on the ground, 0:19:41.600 --> 0:19:45.590 from farmers, from pensioners, saying, I want this socialist government gone. 0:19:46.210 --> 0:19:48.449 Barnaby, we've got to go to a break, but just quickly, 0:19:48.470 --> 0:19:51.310 I don't doubt you when you... say that these talks 0:19:51.590 --> 0:19:55.230 have happened. Why, just quickly, would so many Liberals be 0:19:55.300 --> 0:19:57.580 saying they have not happened? Why are they denying it? 0:19:58.200 --> 0:20:00.980 Because there's this fraction, James, between the moderates and the 0:20:01.340 --> 0:20:04.600 conservatives within the coalition and the moderates, which are. 0:20:04.660 --> 0:20:06.060 Sort of the soft left. 0:20:06.700 --> 0:20:08.350 They get all bent out of shape because they don't 0:20:08.369 --> 0:20:10.110 know how they're going to deal with the G & 0:20:09.650 --> 0:20:12.590 T parties on the yachts on the harbour if they 0:20:12.630 --> 0:20:14.409 say they're talking to One Nation, who they see as 0:20:14.490 --> 0:20:19.320 regional bucolic kitsch. But the reality of the situation is 0:20:19.359 --> 0:20:21.820 that at times we're either the highest polling party or 0:20:21.859 --> 0:20:25.300 the second highest polling party, and our goal is to 0:20:25.340 --> 0:20:26.320 get rid of the socialists. 0:20:26.680 --> 0:20:30.210 And we hope that some form of... sanity starts to 0:20:30.270 --> 0:20:31.670 descend on the coalition. 0:20:31.990 --> 0:20:34.780 And rather than attacking us and dismissing us, we work 0:20:34.820 --> 0:20:37.540 to the common purpose of removing socialism from Australia. 0:20:38.260 --> 0:20:41.140 Barnaby Joyce, always great to catch up. Appreciate you joining 0:20:41.160 --> 0:20:43.800 me tonight. Have a great weekend. All right, after the break, 0:20:43.900 --> 0:20:46.260 Shadow Energy Minister Dan Tehan will join us to talk 0:20:46.280 --> 0:20:49.740 about the coalition's brand-new energy policy, a policy that none 0:20:49.820 --> 0:20:54.350 other than Malcolm Turnbull describes as idiocy. Dan Tehan joins 0:20:54.380 --> 0:21:00.300 me after this. Welcome back to the program. On last 0:21:00.359 --> 0:21:03.879 night's show, we discussed the federal opposition's brand new energy policy, 0:21:03.900 --> 0:21:07.760 which promises to end Labor's green energy nightmare. If elected, 0:21:07.800 --> 0:21:12.180 the coalition would dump net zero, scrap emissions taxes on cars, 0:21:12.240 --> 0:21:16.280 abolish offshore wind zones and lift the ban on nuclear energy. 0:21:16.770 --> 0:21:18.490 Here to tell us all about it is the Shadow 0:21:18.530 --> 0:21:22.490 Energy and Emissions Reduction Minister, Dan Tehan. Dan, thanks for 0:21:22.530 --> 0:21:25.990 joining me on the program. I guess I'm really fascinated 0:21:26.150 --> 0:21:30.050 as to how you and Angus Taylor will convince Australians 0:21:30.109 --> 0:21:33.129 of the need for nuclear power when Peter Dutton and 0:21:33.190 --> 0:21:35.510 Ted O'Brien weren't able to make the case. 0:21:36.790 --> 0:21:39.210 Well, the approach that we're going to take, James, is 0:21:39.230 --> 0:21:42.080 a very sensible one, a very practical one. 0:21:42.510 --> 0:21:43.600 What we want to do. 0:21:43.550 --> 0:21:47.170 Is convince Australians to start with that we should lift 0:21:47.230 --> 0:21:51.530 the ban. And what is there to worry about, about 0:21:51.770 --> 0:21:55.050 lifting the ban? That way we can work out whether 0:21:55.109 --> 0:21:58.630 it is economical, whether it is secure, whether it does 0:21:58.730 --> 0:22:01.510 provide the baseline power that we're going to need into 0:22:01.530 --> 0:22:04.990 the future. And what I say to the Labor Party is, 0:22:05.450 --> 0:22:08.960 what's wrong with lifting the ban? I mean, the fact 0:22:09.060 --> 0:22:13.889 is every other industrial country in the world is using 0:22:13.910 --> 0:22:17.550 nuclear energy. There's a nuclear renaissance taking place in the 0:22:17.630 --> 0:22:23.740 United States. It's taking place across Asia, throughout Europe. Why 0:22:24.140 --> 0:22:26.639 can't we be part of that conversation? Why should we 0:22:26.720 --> 0:22:31.820 allow our great innovation, our great technology, our great nuclear 0:22:31.859 --> 0:22:36.390 engineers have to go to the US to pursue their dreams? 0:22:36.830 --> 0:22:39.270 Why shouldn't we think about doing that here in Australia, 0:22:39.369 --> 0:22:42.170