1 00:00:02,560 --> 00:00:05,480 Speaker 1: Good a, welcome to the show. Quite the weekend here 2 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:10,039 Speaker 1: in Australia. It's the fifth of May in Australia. It's 3 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:12,600 Speaker 1: a beautiful day because one of our TV channel's sbs 4 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 1: plays the fifth Element five times in a row on 5 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 1: this day. It's a beautiful thing. Something about Star Wars 6 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:23,440 Speaker 1: happened yesterday, oh, when there was an election. Something happened 7 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 1: on the other side of that election result on Saturday 8 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 1: that I'd really love to talk about. Something missing around 9 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 1: all the forensic dissection of how the Liberals lost this 10 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:35,080 Speaker 1: or the Greens lost that. There's actually quite a massive 11 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:38,520 Speaker 1: glaring fact which I haven't really seen highlighted yet, which 12 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:40,879 Speaker 1: I'd like to put out there. It's got to do 13 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 1: with what we're being told we are versus what clearly 14 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:47,919 Speaker 1: we actually are. But firstly, what we are here is 15 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 1: not a charity, so I do have to play some 16 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 1: mats back in a moment. Good thanks for listening to 17 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 1: the show. This is better than yesterday, making it better 18 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:04,480 Speaker 1: every single week since twenty thirteen. My name's Osha Ginsburg 19 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 1: and I'm so glad you're here. Thank you for listening 20 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:08,480 Speaker 1: to the show. Thank you for the people who come 21 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:12,399 Speaker 1: up and said hello. On election day. My wife was 22 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:15,679 Speaker 1: doing her part to make Australia great again. She was 23 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 1: on the tools at the school, working the onions, working 24 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:22,839 Speaker 1: the grill. I brought my son back from jiu jitsu 25 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 1: to say hey and grabbing my sausage, and she said, look, 26 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 1: we're out onions. More onions coming. I need you to 27 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 1: get home and get this. So I had to ride 28 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 1: the bicycle. We live a little while away, so ride 29 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:32,919 Speaker 1: a bicycle back over there to get the food process 30 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 1: and come back find an extension called plug it in 31 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:37,399 Speaker 1: chop all the onions up because people wanted onions on 32 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 1: their sausages. You can't have democracy in Australia without a sausage, 33 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 1: piece of bread and onions on top. It was great 34 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 1: and it was lovely to meet people because you know, 35 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 1: people went in line, they having a chat. I was 36 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 1: lovely to say hello to people who listened to the podcast. 37 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 1: So hello, if you Kevin said hello on the weekend, 38 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 1: If you want to come and say hello again and 39 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 1: you are in Sydney. On the eleventh of May, story 40 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 1: Club is back at the Sydney comment We were a 41 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 1: part of the Sydney Comedy Festival. This lineup is Buck 42 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 1: and hu jif I do say so myself. Four superstars 43 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:10,639 Speaker 1: making their story Club debut, including That's What I Reckon Blair, Jocelyn, 44 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 1: Hannah Riley and Gracie Otto. These are big time humans. 45 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 1: They are going to join Zoe Norton Lodge and myself. 46 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:20,240 Speaker 1: There are still a number of tickets. I do actually 47 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 1: have a couple of sets of Let's say, I've got 48 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 1: two doubles to give away. I'll let you know later 49 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 1: in the show how you can win them, but you 50 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:28,359 Speaker 1: will need my email address send or your email at 51 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 1: gmail dot com. Who knew I could be so tired 52 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:35,640 Speaker 1: and feel like I'm hungover after being sober at an 53 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 1: election party last night. It was just a lot. I 54 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 1: woke up Sunday morning, as did you, in a very 55 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 1: different Australia, which is nice because frankly, I've been holding 56 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 1: my breath. I bet you've been holding your breath too, 57 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:50,639 Speaker 1: not just this week, not just this year, but for 58 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 1: what feels like a while. Remember that quiet dread sunky En. 59 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 1: After all the fires and the floods and then the 60 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:02,239 Speaker 1: pandemic press conferences were kind of holding our breath, waiting 61 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 1: for someone to knock on our door and say, so, 62 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 1: what kind of Australia are you really, especially after the 63 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 1: Voice referendum. Are we what we thought we were or 64 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 1: just a sunburnt version of every other democracy having a 65 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 1: bit of a later life crisis. Well, this weekend that 66 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:24,240 Speaker 1: not kind of came and our answer was not fear. 67 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 1: Our answer was not fire. It wasn't a tough on 68 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 1: crime strong man who speaks in sentences that rhyme like 69 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 1: if you don't know vote. It was a moment where 70 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 1: we as a country, as a majority, voted for hope 71 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 1: over fear. Now, don't get me wrong, as a country, 72 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 1: we have work to do. We have work to do 73 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 1: with housing, with cost of living, with climate action. This 74 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 1: last weekend, though, our voting showed that we agree on 75 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 1: a list of things that need to be done. We're 76 00:03:56,360 --> 00:04:00,040 Speaker 1: clearly stating our values, common values of what needs to 77 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 1: get done. Now, we might differ here and there on 78 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:05,840 Speaker 1: the how those things are going to get done, that's okay, 79 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 1: But we absolutely came together with a clear mandate for 80 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 1: those we voted in as to what it is that 81 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 1: needs to be done. We're almost like we collectively shifted 82 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:20,360 Speaker 1: a posture, more like we stood together closer together than 83 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 1: we have for a really long time, like in a 84 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 1: family photo where everyone kind of holds off on the 85 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 1: little things that really piss them off about each other, 86 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 1: because we know that this sort of thing is important 87 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:31,120 Speaker 1: to do. And we did it. We fucking did it, 88 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:35,799 Speaker 1: and we didn't just put the Australian Labor Party back 89 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 1: in power. You know. It was literally like we'd come 90 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:41,919 Speaker 1: back from Bunnings, from the Christmas like section and just 91 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:45,600 Speaker 1: gone the full Griswold like boom you want to talk 92 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:48,920 Speaker 1: about back in power? Where on When I look at 93 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 1: the amount of marginal seats that the Labor Party in 94 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:54,840 Speaker 1: Australia flipped, it was such a clear message that Australia 95 00:04:55,080 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 1: just did not want what the Conservative Coalition was off. Now, 96 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:06,039 Speaker 1: I spent a lot of time in the former opposition leaders. 97 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 1: I can't believe I could to say that I spent 98 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 1: a lot of time in Peter Dutton, the former opposition 99 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:12,920 Speaker 1: leader's seat of Dixon in Queensland. I have relatives there, 100 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 1: and for nearly thirty years, the people of that lovely 101 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 1: part of Brisbane. For thirty years, those people believe that 102 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 1: Peter Dutton was the only man that they wanted to 103 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:23,719 Speaker 1: represent them and this is democracy, this is what it is. 104 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 1: These people believed he was the one for them. So 105 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 1: what does it tell you about how far the Conservatives 106 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:34,480 Speaker 1: in our country have strayed from the values of their 107 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:40,359 Speaker 1: community that the seat of Dixon flipped like that away 108 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 1: from Peter Dutton. Dutton was playing the strong man. But 109 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 1: it is one thing to use strength to be cruel 110 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:51,839 Speaker 1: and another thing to use strength to make tough choices 111 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:55,599 Speaker 1: and use strength to help others. And clearly the people 112 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 1: of Dixon value strength. They wouldn't have kept doutte in 113 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:01,479 Speaker 1: this whole time if they didn't. But I guess the 114 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:04,919 Speaker 1: kind of strength they value is the powerful, never say 115 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 1: die strength, the strength of a single mum of three. 116 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:11,599 Speaker 1: That's the kind of strength that those people really feel 117 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 1: represents them more accurately, and that's a beautiful thing. I 118 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:19,680 Speaker 1: like that kind of strength. I aim to have that 119 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 1: kind of strength for myself. I was at it, as 120 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 1: I mentioned, I was an election party on Saturday night. 121 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 1: There was a lot of people there and when Dutton 122 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 1: lost his seat, and there's a couple of TVs around 123 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:30,720 Speaker 1: wh Dutton lost his seat, I was hearing whoops of 124 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:33,159 Speaker 1: joy from around the room. Now I appreciate the Germans 125 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:37,480 Speaker 1: invented a word called charden freuder, but I'm not there 126 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:39,360 Speaker 1: and I'm not going to do that. I understand why 127 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:42,719 Speaker 1: people would have done that, but I also believe that, 128 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:45,279 Speaker 1: and I have to believe this. As far as Peter 129 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:48,080 Speaker 1: Dutton's concerned, he believed he was doing the right thing. 130 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:51,039 Speaker 1: He always has. I don't have to agree with what 131 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 1: he's doing, but he wouldn't be doing it if he 132 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:57,039 Speaker 1: didn't believe it. And I'd like to think that he 133 00:06:57,160 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 1: felt he was doing these things for me as well. 134 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:03,280 Speaker 1: Didn't understand it. I wasn't smart enough to understand that 135 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:05,840 Speaker 1: he was trying to help me because or I was 136 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:08,719 Speaker 1: too woke to understand that things have to be done 137 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 1: this way for my own good. And I appreciate that, 138 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 1: but I also appreciate that the people of Dixon have 139 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 1: gone no, thank you. So why did this absolute fucking 140 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 1: landslide of an election result happen here in Australia. I've 141 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:26,600 Speaker 1: been thinking about a lot today, and not just regular thinking, 142 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 1: Like I got to have a way around three in 143 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 1: the morning and then I went lay down and I 144 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 1: just stared at my ceiling for an hour. Lack of 145 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 1: that kind of thinking, all right, and I guess I 146 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 1: came to the conclusion that right across the country Australia, 147 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 1: we basically said we've had enough. We've had enough of 148 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 1: leaders talking down to us instead of listening to us, 149 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 1: talking to us like we're incapable of understanding nonsense when 150 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 1: we see it, talking to us like we can't hear 151 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 1: the dog whistles, like we don't have some of the 152 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 1: best calibrated bullshit detectors on the planet hardwired into us 153 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 1: as a nation, that we've had enough of leaders playing 154 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 1: identity politics, pitching policies that weaponize the perceived differences which 155 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 1: I don't think are really as big as they're being 156 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 1: told to us. We've had enough of that weird performative 157 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 1: masculinity that has all the authentic toughness of my Kavirudal 158 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:27,320 Speaker 1: Frank barking at a rot wheeler from behind the crim 159 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 1: safe door. Instead, it would appear that as a country, 160 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 1: and especially young voters and women around our nation, we 161 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:43,680 Speaker 1: gravitated towards something we don't always name in politics, but 162 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:47,680 Speaker 1: we definitely know it when we see it, basic decency. 163 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 1: I think that the borish, bloviating bullshit that Australian politics 164 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:57,320 Speaker 1: can be. It diminishes all of us. Kylie Tenk's famous 165 00:08:57,360 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 1: line from her maiden speech about Question Time being that 166 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 1: she's been to a ten year old birthday party to 167 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:05,240 Speaker 1: tramp a lean park that's got more decorum than this, 168 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 1: which is supposed to be the highest level of decision 169 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:14,840 Speaker 1: making and coming together and policy creation in the country. 170 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 1: It's bad for all of us. We are so smashed 171 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 1: by this stuff. The moment we see a morsel of 172 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:25,839 Speaker 1: one of our leaders being bigger than simply taking the 173 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 1: bait on a lure. We treat that moment like getting 174 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 1: a golden ticket to Crunch Labs. If you don't have 175 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:35,080 Speaker 1: small kids, that will make no sense to you. But 176 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 1: trust me, that's a big deal. Now. While the Labor 177 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 1: Party in Australia does align somewhat with my personal values, 178 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 1: I always get surprised when I read that vote Compass thing. 179 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 1: Not all of my personal values are reflected by the 180 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:51,439 Speaker 1: Labor Party. I've got to hand it to Anthony Albanezi. 181 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 1: He projected something we were clearly quite thirsty for. Steadiness 182 00:09:57,040 --> 00:10:02,719 Speaker 1: without scorn and compassion without comprom It's a great misconception 183 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 1: to believe that Kindness is weakness, all right. If anything, 184 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 1: it takes more strength to be kind than it does 185 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 1: to be cruel. As I tell my son Wolfgang's five buddy, 186 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:16,720 Speaker 1: if you can be anything, just be kind, all right. 187 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:22,119 Speaker 1: On the other hand, unfortunately for Peter Dutton and his parties, 188 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:26,319 Speaker 1: because they represent the Nationals as well he and the Conservatives, 189 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 1: I guess they were hoping for some sort of knee 190 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 1: jerk immediate fear response from using the scare tactics they 191 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 1: were using across the election, and that looks like pretty 192 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 1: much backfired. Because the messaging of our political leaders actually 193 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 1: has a huge effect on how our community responds. Our 194 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 1: leaders shape the behavior of the community, not just through 195 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:53,079 Speaker 1: their laws, but through the expectations that they communicate to us. Now, 196 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 1: while it looks good on billboards, a tough on crime 197 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 1: politician can often result in something called the golem effect, 198 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 1: which is essentially by assuming the worst in people, using 199 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:08,200 Speaker 1: fear based messaging, signaling that without punishment, society will fall apart. 200 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 1: What actually happens is that it erodes trust with systems 201 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:16,359 Speaker 1: of government. It's trust in other people that creates alienation, 202 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 1: and it reinforces the very behaviors that it tries to 203 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:25,199 Speaker 1: prevent that kind of messaging basically says you can't be trusted, 204 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:28,320 Speaker 1: you need to be controlled, and so therefore people just 205 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 1: go we'll find we can't be trusted, we'll just act out. 206 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:34,880 Speaker 1: But on the other hand, a leader who frames their 207 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 1: message around shared values like last night, it was actually 208 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:41,680 Speaker 1: a really interesting moment during his victory speech. As Albo mentioned, 209 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 1: he said, look, I've just spoken with Peter Dutton and 210 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:44,839 Speaker 1: he was halfway through the next sitting. Some people and 211 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 1: the crowd started mouthing off and he just boom. He 212 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:50,080 Speaker 1: had the dad voice, No, no, what we do in 213 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:53,800 Speaker 1: Australia is we treat people with respect. And it got 214 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 1: a massive cheer in the room. But it was quite 215 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 1: a moment. It was quite a moment because a move 216 00:11:57,760 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 1: like that it does it taps into something called the 217 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:03,680 Speaker 1: Pygmalion effect, which I really quite love. It's like when 218 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 1: when a leader, like a teacher or somebody a coach 219 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:09,679 Speaker 1: of a team or whatever, when they set a high 220 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:13,560 Speaker 1: bar believing in the goodness of the people. What it 221 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 1: does is it invites cooperation, it invites self respect. Instead 222 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:22,240 Speaker 1: of policing and dominating people into obedience, it empowers them 223 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:26,720 Speaker 1: to act in line with who they believe we think 224 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:29,959 Speaker 1: they are. The short version is expecting the best in 225 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 1: people brings out the best in people. They're expecting the 226 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:35,960 Speaker 1: worst in people often proves itself right. It's why, and 227 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 1: the research on this is fantastic, But it's why. A 228 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 1: sign that says don't litter is far less effective than 229 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:45,720 Speaker 1: a sign which says thank you for keeping our part clean. 230 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 1: All right, If we expect the behavior to be good, 231 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:56,199 Speaker 1: guess what happens. So what we said no to this 232 00:12:56,280 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 1: weekend is very, very different to what we said yes to. 233 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 1: If you look around the world voters in democratic nations, 234 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 1: it seems to be I don't want to, you know, 235 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:08,559 Speaker 1: I don't want to let off the confetti cannons just yet. 236 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:12,920 Speaker 1: But people are starting to, maybe, I don't know, get 237 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:16,440 Speaker 1: a little apprehensive about flirting around with authoritarianism. I was 238 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:18,680 Speaker 1: talking with Audrey this morning. She was cooked man, because 239 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:21,320 Speaker 1: not only did she work real hard on the Barbie yesterday, 240 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:23,960 Speaker 1: she then went and worked at the Channel seven coverage 241 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:26,559 Speaker 1: in this massive shift like eight hours a thousand guests. 242 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:29,080 Speaker 1: She was staying here and makeup for everybody, so she 243 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:30,600 Speaker 1: was on sets, so she had a head full of 244 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 1: the stats and all the analysis and everything like that, 245 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:34,680 Speaker 1: and so when she woke up at the krack of noon, 246 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:39,400 Speaker 1: and rightly so, her take was that had we all 247 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 1: as a nation not just had one hundred straight days 248 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 1: of watching what the USA is going through and seeing 249 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:47,440 Speaker 1: what happens when a strong man is at the wheel 250 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:51,719 Speaker 1: with no barriers to action, playing cruelty rather than compassion, 251 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 1: if we had not had that, this might have been 252 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:56,439 Speaker 1: a very different outcome. But we all got to see, 253 00:13:56,760 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 1: Oh fuck, this is where things go. It's not great 254 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 1: between US and Canada, maybe other parts of the world, 255 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 1: maybe Brazil. I don't know. We might be recalibrating. I 256 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 1: don't know. I'd rather be hopeful than hopeless. We yet 257 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 1: to see, but it's not insignificant. What's just happened. This 258 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:18,080 Speaker 1: election result showed pretty clearly that we as a nation 259 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 1: don't want chaos. All right. Let the Real Housewives of 260 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:26,240 Speaker 1: Sydney reunion show be where we see unhinged drama and 261 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 1: trust me on that, I was there. I think it 262 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 1: airs on Tuesday Night. That's where we can have the 263 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 1: drama stuff. That's fine. Democracy isn't supposed to feel like 264 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:38,200 Speaker 1: a reality TV show where whoever screams allowed us gets 265 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 1: the most screen time. But since the Voice referendum, it's 266 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:44,480 Speaker 1: been a fair bit of that. And we've been told 267 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 1: again and again and again by news outlets, kind of 268 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 1: more legacy media stuff, how different we are, how fractured 269 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:54,960 Speaker 1: we are, how if the other sides gets their hand 270 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 1: or the remote control, we're all funked. But I reckon 271 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:01,240 Speaker 1: there's something else going on, and I'll get to that 272 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 1: after the break. So if you cast in wineback, since 273 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:13,760 Speaker 1: from when the campaigning around the Voice for referendum started, 274 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 1: hot on the heels of the post lockdown COVID in Saturday, 275 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 1: we've been told again and again how divided we are, 276 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 1: how polarized we are. I've fallen for it. You listened 277 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:28,640 Speaker 1: to my podcast from around that time. You can hear 278 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 1: sometimes I'm in that silo too, shouting into the wind. 279 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:34,040 Speaker 1: You know what, I don't do that anymore. I had 280 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 1: to have a long, hard look at myself, and I'm 281 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 1: glad I did. But I look at us all now 282 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 1: and I'll tell you what I see, and it's what 283 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 1: we showed to each other as a country around the 284 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 1: time of the same sex marriage plebiscite. It's what we 285 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:47,520 Speaker 1: showed to each other this weekend. We as a nation 286 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 1: are far more alike than we have been led to believe. 287 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 1: When Cold Playing Taylor Swift toured, you know, not long 288 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:56,360 Speaker 1: ago now, but hundreds of thousands of people went and 289 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 1: saw those shows together, stadiums brimming with humans from all 290 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 1: over the community, all over the country. People who vote 291 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 1: to the left, people who vote to the right, people 292 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 1: who vote to the edge, people who write dick and 293 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:09,440 Speaker 1: balls like whatever. But when the chorus of the song hits, 294 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:11,960 Speaker 1: they all sing, Oh take me back to the start. 295 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 1: They all sing, they all know the words, they all 296 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 1: have the same favorite song. We are way more alike 297 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 1: than what we have been shouted at to believe. And 298 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 1: the other thing. On that legacy media, they don't really 299 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:29,120 Speaker 1: hold the mantle of being the only people that have 300 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:31,240 Speaker 1: a microscope on us as a community. One of the 301 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 1: political commentators of follow showed a screenshot of their Instagram 302 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:36,840 Speaker 1: insights over the last month. It's nearly twenty million people, 303 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 1: four million people a week engaging with them. Those are 304 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 1: numbers that any of those newspapers and websites and TV 305 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 1: shows we do anything for. We are more alike than 306 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 1: what we have been told and on the whole, if 307 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 1: we're in a room with one hundred strangers, our values 308 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 1: will align with more of those people than they do not. 309 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 1: That is what this election has shown us, more in 310 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:03,760 Speaker 1: common with strangers than we think. So what happens now? 311 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:06,040 Speaker 1: What do we do now? We can hope that things 312 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:08,920 Speaker 1: might get okay from here. But if there's one thing 313 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 1: that Obama learned, and I remember because my father was 314 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 1: checking when it all went down, Remember being very involved 315 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:18,400 Speaker 1: with Dad, being excited about it. When of us, I've 316 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:23,600 Speaker 1: harveled Czechoslovakia out of what was former the USSR. Hope 317 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:27,120 Speaker 1: is not a policy, all right. Hope is a starting line. 318 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:29,480 Speaker 1: Hope is the political equivalent of having shorts and a 319 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:32,160 Speaker 1: T shirt that you don't mind getting sweaty. Very necessary 320 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 1: if you want to get a little fitter, fit into 321 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:36,680 Speaker 1: your gens a little better, but completely useless unless you're 322 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:39,439 Speaker 1: willing to actually go and work out and do the reps. 323 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:43,679 Speaker 1: And now the Labor Party in Australia who are writing 324 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 1: they have an undeniable mandate. I cannot take that away 325 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 1: from them. They have a sky high bar to clear. 326 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:52,239 Speaker 1: The cost of living is crushing us. Rents look more 327 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:54,439 Speaker 1: like mortgages. Mortgages look more like the kind of income 328 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:58,160 Speaker 1: usually associated with someone who invented Snapchat. Wages are stagnant. 329 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:01,920 Speaker 1: We haven't even started on climate in action, aged care, 330 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:05,640 Speaker 1: the pace of reconciliation, if there is any movement there 331 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:08,480 Speaker 1: at all. There's a very very brief wind of opportunity 332 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:10,960 Speaker 1: here where a bold leader with a bold vision can 333 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:13,440 Speaker 1: capitalize on the trust the nation has put in them. 334 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:17,639 Speaker 1: Get people over the line on difficult issues, difficult choices 335 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:20,720 Speaker 1: we need to make now so we can ensure that 336 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:23,879 Speaker 1: what we know as life in Australia will still be 337 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:29,120 Speaker 1: there going forward. That's the stakes this weekend. We've essentially 338 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:32,720 Speaker 1: said we believe change is possible again, don't fuck it 339 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:36,119 Speaker 1: up now. Sometimes our politicians get it right. I'd like 340 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:39,080 Speaker 1: to hope that this is an opportunity which is not 341 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:42,040 Speaker 1: lost all right. As I said earlier, it takes strength 342 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:45,040 Speaker 1: to act with kindness, strength to act with compassion, to 343 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:48,399 Speaker 1: not engage with bullshit, ad hominem arguments and ridiculous straw 344 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 1: manning politics shouldn't sound like a promo for the wrestling. 345 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 1: We have a chance to tell a new kind of 346 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:58,840 Speaker 1: story now, a story based on humility, one that highlights 347 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 1: the values we share. That's how we want to take 348 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:04,520 Speaker 1: care of each other. Australia's not suddenly fixed, all right, 349 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:07,679 Speaker 1: but the way that our country voted does give me 350 00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:10,560 Speaker 1: the feeling that you that me the people who are 351 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:13,239 Speaker 1: sitting over there in that car or whatever kind. We 352 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:14,639 Speaker 1: want to be proud of where we live. We want 353 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:16,680 Speaker 1: a country that doesn't make us WinCE when we read 354 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:18,720 Speaker 1: the news, you know, like when you accidentally open the 355 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 1: front facing camera on your phone. And more than that, 356 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 1: we want a country that's proud of us back. We 357 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:25,480 Speaker 1: don't want a country that treats us like we're all 358 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:29,399 Speaker 1: one poor decision away from complete moral collapse. So what 359 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:31,440 Speaker 1: do we do? What do we do now that we've 360 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 1: given labor the keys like this? Well, on an election night, 361 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:37,120 Speaker 1: I was lucky enough to be on a live stream 362 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 1: with Josh Sepps, Punders Politics and Ossie Man and I 363 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:42,560 Speaker 1: told them what I'll tell you now. What we do 364 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:44,960 Speaker 1: now is what we would have done if Dunton had won. 365 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:47,960 Speaker 1: All right, that's what we do now. Upward pressure is 366 00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:51,440 Speaker 1: enormously powerful in Australia. When we decide to remove the 367 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:54,160 Speaker 1: social license of a company to operate in a particular way. 368 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:57,080 Speaker 1: It's over before the end of the day, whatever it was. 369 00:19:57,119 --> 00:19:59,600 Speaker 1: Think of what happens in supermarkets and plastic bags. All right, 370 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 1: we cannot afford to take our foot off the accelerator. 371 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 1: From where I stand, someone who values compassion, accountability, climate action, fairness, 372 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 1: you just can't celebrate the win and walk away like 373 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:12,639 Speaker 1: you've hit the ten meter apart and you're not even 374 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:14,960 Speaker 1: going to watch as it goes into the cup. Right, No, 375 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:19,359 Speaker 1: what's next from where I stand. From what's next is 376 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:21,639 Speaker 1: we have to be sure that those people we voted 377 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:24,960 Speaker 1: in do what we ask them to do. Labor's climate 378 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:27,840 Speaker 1: policies all over the place. Spike kids foram makes more sense. 379 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:31,520 Speaker 1: They set these bold targets and renewables, and then they turn 380 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:34,240 Speaker 1: around and to prove new colon gas projects. I'd use 381 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 1: the term gas lighting, but the irony would be too 382 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:39,720 Speaker 1: intense even for me. Climate action needs to be consistency. 383 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:43,399 Speaker 1: You can't talk about twenty fifty while digging up nineteen fifty. 384 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 1: It's the energy equivalent of saying, fuck it, I'll start 385 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:49,080 Speaker 1: my diet tomorrow. Labor's trying on the cost of the 386 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:52,600 Speaker 1: thing front. I'll give them that, but relief measures like 387 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:55,440 Speaker 1: putting a band aid on a shark bite. Childcare, Yeah, 388 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:57,840 Speaker 1: is more affordable, which is great if you can find 389 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:00,840 Speaker 1: a spot with a non shunkie operator before your toddler 390 00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:04,960 Speaker 1: gets their learners. It feels like sometimes they're cushioning the 391 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:08,200 Speaker 1: slow collapse of things, like throwing pillows around and calling 392 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:11,719 Speaker 1: a place recently renovated. There's work to be done. We 393 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:15,639 Speaker 1: did clearly vote against scapegoarding immigrants, but it's not to 394 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:18,040 Speaker 1: say that immigration is not an issue we need to discuss. 395 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 1: My wife and I were both immigrants, neither of us 396 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:22,679 Speaker 1: were born here. But blaming immigrants for any of our 397 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:25,200 Speaker 1: problems is like blaming rain drops for a flood when 398 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:28,639 Speaker 1: decades of leaders from every political corner have never built 399 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 1: a dam, or just avoided it, or blame the other 400 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:33,960 Speaker 1: person for not building it. Three years is such a 401 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:36,920 Speaker 1: short time to get anything done. But if you're there, 402 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:39,560 Speaker 1: if you're in that chair, you may as well point 403 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:41,639 Speaker 1: to the boundary and swing for a six. Paint a 404 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:44,919 Speaker 1: picture of possibility, do some actual planning, communicate that, be 405 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:49,160 Speaker 1: honest about the progress. There's work ahead, is complicated, it's 406 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:52,440 Speaker 1: long term, and it won't get the same headlines as 407 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:55,879 Speaker 1: a landslide victory or a politician saying something unfortunate on 408 00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:59,959 Speaker 1: an open microphone. But if the Labor Party actually live 409 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 1: since to the center left that gave them this power. 410 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:06,160 Speaker 1: Even though listening to voters after an election isn't very common, Ah, 411 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:10,000 Speaker 1: they would understand that we didn't vote for someone to 412 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:13,440 Speaker 1: serve as shit and say it's shiny. We voted for courage, 413 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:16,399 Speaker 1: the real kind, not the I'll stand up in parliament 414 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:20,840 Speaker 1: and say something provocative and that immediately backtrack. No, what 415 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:22,880 Speaker 1: we need to do now is make sure they show 416 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 1: us that courage because unfortunately for you and me and 417 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:29,679 Speaker 1: the sausage sizzles around the country, the next election is 418 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 1: actually just around the corner, like two years, they're going 419 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:34,920 Speaker 1: to start campaigning again, and I don't want to be 420 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:38,920 Speaker 1: holding my breath again. Thanks for listening. Thanks to Adam, 421 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:42,159 Speaker 1: a bunch of who sliced this up and helped all 422 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:44,840 Speaker 1: my stumbles get out of the way. Oh, I've got 423 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:48,720 Speaker 1: two doubles for story Club to give away if you 424 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:53,400 Speaker 1: email me send Usher email at gmail dot com only 425 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:55,040 Speaker 1: if you can make the show five forty five pm 426 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 1: More Park, May eleventh, So Sunday May eleventh More Park 427 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:01,480 Speaker 1: at the Sydney Comedies door. If you can email me, 428 00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 1: send her to email at gmail dot com and you 429 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:06,399 Speaker 1: tell me what I went back on my bicycle to 430 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:09,919 Speaker 1: my house to go get what appliance did I have 431 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:11,560 Speaker 1: to go and get to save the sausage? Is all 432 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:15,359 Speaker 1: that my wife was working on. I'll send you some toys. 433 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:28,160 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening. I'll see on Wednesday.