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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Mentor and Mark Borris Warren was Burns

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Speaker 1: and James Jimmy Bradley, co founders and directors of let's

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Speaker 1: just call the co founders of Liquid and lard Up.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Mentor. Guys. Thanks for having your brothers.

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Speaker 2: We just kind of look alike, brother stress maker.

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Speaker 1: You both got a little bit of growth and on

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Speaker 1: the around the.

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Speaker 2: Chin and the guts.

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Speaker 1: Now the guts inne me all right. Not bad for

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Speaker 1: being in the hospitality industry, you know, I don't know

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Speaker 1: like that. But no reason I will ask you your

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Speaker 1: brothers because you've been I was written the brief. You've

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Speaker 1: been together for a bloody long time. Your brothers from

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Speaker 1: another mothers, other mothers or whatever the word is.

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Speaker 2: You know, we've been best mate since we were twelve.

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Speaker 1: Wow, it's been a long time. Yeah, twelve. So that's

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Speaker 1: like Jay Grad and rugby league terms, so from Sydney

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Speaker 1: or Melbourne away from year seven that's Jay Grade. It

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Speaker 1: used to be Joy Great. I don't know that all

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Speaker 1: these days or your days. In my days it was

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Speaker 1: Joe Grade in footy and Jay Gray. Then twelve year

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Speaker 1: old kids were in year six six, class fifteen fifteen

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Speaker 1: six class. I remember I was. I was in year

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Speaker 1: seven O twol that's right, and but it was a

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Speaker 1: weight division so you had to pay play, believe it

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Speaker 1: or not. Year under twelve was Joe Gray was six stone.

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Speaker 1: So I'm talking. I don't know that what that is

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Speaker 1: in kilograms? It was under you had to be under

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Speaker 1: six stone. Man, I'm just date myself and actually in

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Speaker 1: a conversation Ray League, yeah it does it does I know,

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Speaker 1: because you just reminded me of a period in my life.

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Speaker 1: Actually it was actually really good period. So co founders

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Speaker 1: and directed, but let's leave directors. We don't care about that.

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Speaker 1: Co founders of Liquid and it was Liquid and larder.

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Speaker 1: Who's going to who's going to give me the kickoff?

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Speaker 2: I guess it is a food and bever Bridge experience

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Speaker 2: orientated hospitality company. So Liquid been booze and larder where

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Speaker 2: you keep your food lader.

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Speaker 1: That's it. That's the old that's the old Irish Scottish

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Speaker 1: way of the place of the house where it's a pantry,

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Speaker 1: what we call pantry in Australia.

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Speaker 2: We originally were called eight as in the number or

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Speaker 2: numeral eight because we grew up eight k's from each other.

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Speaker 2: But we were honestly sick of trying to explain the

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Speaker 2: email signature. It's Jimmy at eight Hospitality. Yes, eight like

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Speaker 2: the number, so we said let's change it to something

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Speaker 2: more simple, and we got it wrong a second time.

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Speaker 2: So we're constantly having to explain sands acause.

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Speaker 1: A lot of peple wouldn't even know what a larder man. No, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I only you know how I first time I found

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Speaker 1: out with the word lader mint is I had an

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Speaker 1: Irish girlfriend from Ireland and she kept calling the pantry

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Speaker 1: the larder and she said, we going And that's the

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Speaker 1: only time I've never heard of the word before lader

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Speaker 1: And but it's basically where you coop you were small

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Speaker 1: goods and the fridge north of the bridge, not the bridge,

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Speaker 1: the fridge. It's not called the fridge. Yeah, yeah, totally.

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Speaker 1: And like like you know, in the old country where

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Speaker 1: my mammy comes from, they'd be hanging up salamis and

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Speaker 1: all sorts of stuff in there. Yeah right, Well, twelve

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Speaker 1: year old buddies, what school did you go to? Where'd

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Speaker 1: you come from?

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Speaker 2: I grew up in the Hills area out near Cassa Hill,

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Speaker 2: I grew up in Glenory was dural. We met at

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Speaker 2: Hills Grammar which was one of the local schools out there,

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Speaker 2: and then we kind of split in what year ten

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Speaker 2: College Rugby.

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Speaker 1: Oh well, ok Hill which did us out And that

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Speaker 1: was a school my mother used to threaten me to

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Speaker 1: go to because it was those days when I was around.

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Speaker 1: Was a boarding school and Mama used to threaten me

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Speaker 1: to go there if I didn't stop getting in trouble.

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Speaker 1: Did it work? Yeah, bloody earth, I didn't. I well

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Speaker 1: worked in that I didn't end up going there, but

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Speaker 1: I still manage to get myself in trouble, but not

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Speaker 1: as much, not as much because that was when the

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Speaker 1: naughty boys in the d LSL system went you. You

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Speaker 3: It was coed eleven, ten and twelve. Yeah sorry sorry

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it wasn't. No boarders and still run by the brothers.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, brother m Bros. Was okay, cool. We just played

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Speaker 1: have a big rugby league tournament there. I didn't realize

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Speaker 1: But we footy out there. So you're an o'kill boy.

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Speaker 1: And so where was you again, Hill's grabber. Well, that

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Speaker 2: Well, it wasn't anything to do with rugby, rugby league,

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Speaker 2: Unfortunately it's probably I think it's only forty years old,

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Speaker 1: It's how old are you? Two guys? By the way,

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Speaker 1: forty four in your forties see the same age as

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Speaker 1: my oldest son. Wow, amaze me feel from where as

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Speaker 1: you grew up? Punchbowl. Yeah, so I went to school

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Speaker 1: of kids from my school actually sent out Oakhill because

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Speaker 1: that's we end up out at Oakhill. It was and

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Speaker 1: for me then it was like a million miles away.

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Speaker 1: It was like a massive track to get there from

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Speaker 1: punch Bowl, Like I grew up there for the massive

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Speaker 1: at any stage talk about what you're going to do

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Speaker 3: It was actually quite strange. We went in different directions.

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Speaker 3: I went to school love love sport, didn't love the

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Speaker 3: academic side too much. So as soon as I left

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Speaker 3: school there was no way I was going to go

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Speaker 3: to UNI. So went often did a retail management course

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Speaker 3: actually through through wool Worse, which was horrible.

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Speaker 1: To be honest.

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Speaker 3: Taught me a lot of things, but it was pretty boring.

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Speaker 1: We do like War Worst, not because Wars is horrible.

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Speaker 1: I mean they've probably got a few sins to answer about,

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Speaker 1: but as do Coles, and as do all the rest

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Speaker 1: of them, so they're all going to do the same thing.

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Speaker 1: But it taught me a lot, It just wasn't what

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Speaker 3: It taught me the fundamentals of how to engage with customers,

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Speaker 3: how to do conflict resolution with guests, you know, that

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Speaker 3: was the biggest, and also dealing with staff, so how

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Speaker 1: Other people, how to work with other people. I was young.

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Speaker 3: I was eighteen nineteen years old, and I was managing

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Speaker 3: you know, thirty forty year old men. Wow, which was challenging.

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Speaker 3: How did you do that as a young with great

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Speaker 1: What would you do?

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Speaker 3: Pretty much?

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Speaker 1: So that taught me a lot.

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Speaker 3: It taught me how to, I guess, seek to understand first,

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Speaker 3: and then you can kind of understand what they're going

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Speaker 3: through or what the position is, and you can kind.

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Speaker 1: Of, I guess, adapt what you want to try to say.

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Speaker 3: To them, so I understand what you're saying, but also

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Speaker 3: understand how it's coming across from Was that.

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Speaker 1: Actual role like a conflict resolution role? I though? Was

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Speaker 1: it like a part of a HR role.

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Speaker 3: We sort of got moved around from department to department.

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Speaker 3: I think in every one of those departments there was

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Speaker 3: that engagement with other staff. I think it's a tool

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Speaker 3: that they try to sort of, you know, push you

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Speaker 3: need to make that to be successful. The worse, it

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Speaker 3: needs better to do the people think the people stuff right.

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Speaker 3: Without that, you're you're not going to be successful. So

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Speaker 3: I think they were measuring me whether I was able

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Speaker 3: to deal with these difficult conversations that we will have

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Speaker 3: to have as senior people in the business.

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Speaker 1: That's a pretty mature thing to do though, And yeah,

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Speaker 1: nineteen twenty it was tough, well not not any tough,

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Speaker 1: like challenging, but but mature. It'd be able to work

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Speaker 1: it out. Like I definitely wouldn't have been any good

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Speaker 1: mean like, you know, like because I didn't get it,

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Speaker 1: Like I probably lacked empathy. But would you say you're

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Speaker 1: an empathetic person. I don't think I was.

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Speaker 3: I now have three hundred staff or close three hundred

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Speaker 3: I'd say I'm more empathetic now than I was before.

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Speaker 3: I struggle with empathy. It's definitely something that I had

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Speaker 3: of management of people because.

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Speaker 1: That's the part of the business you run, correct, the

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Speaker 1: let's call it the people and people culture, people and culture. Correct,

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Speaker 1: that's mad so better something you sort of had learned.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't a natural thing.

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Speaker 3: Look, I've I think to be strong with the in

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Speaker 3: to be aware of what's happening around you and constantly

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Speaker 3: looking at the way people are holding themselves, body language,

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Speaker 3: the way they're integrating, the way they're talking. So I

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Speaker 3: think that's a natural thing about me. I have kind

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Speaker 3: of analyzed situations and that makes me stronger at that.

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Speaker 1: As in profile, somebody correct.

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Speaker 2: And he grew up in a family where you your mum,

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Speaker 2: your sister's, your dad. You all talk a lot, you

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Speaker 2: explain it how you're feeling. It's a communicative, communicative family.

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Speaker 2: So I think you grew up in that environment where

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Speaker 2: it was important to agree with each other. You don't

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Speaker 2: go to bed angry, you communicate at the dinner table.

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Speaker 2: So I think you had that when.

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Speaker 1: You were twelve. Did you notice that about his family?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because my family's different, different of the opposite, well,

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Speaker 2: not completely opposite. I'm hoping mum and dad will watch

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Speaker 2: Different though, Yeah, Yeah, I guess for me it was

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Speaker 2: seeing this family that was incredibly nurturing and wanted to

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Speaker 2: know how you were going each day, rather than goal

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Speaker 2: orientated or task orientated, like my family was a bit

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Speaker 2: more kind of task orientated, goal orientated. How did you

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Speaker 2: go at school today? What did you achieve today? Rather

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Speaker 2: than are you okay? And how are you feeling?

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Speaker 1: So this is a really interesting conversation that especially for

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Speaker 1: your generation, like definitely interesting. For my generation, we would

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Speaker 1: never think that, Like never, I mean, I got four sons,

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Speaker 1: three grandsons. I still don't ask them how they feeling.

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Speaker 1: Probably I should start a gettle bit more of that,

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Speaker 1: And I'm just a little bit of a lesson out

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Speaker 1: of this. It's sort of quite an interesting conversation. Then

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Speaker 1: when I see the two of you talk to each other, well,

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Speaker 1: I haven't seen you talk to each other, but when

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Speaker 1: I think about the two of you talking to each other,

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Speaker 1: it seems like, you know, one is opposite, not opposite,

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Speaker 1: ask it, boozmum. What depends on who?

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Speaker 3: Like everyone's different rights on the person, just tells you

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Speaker 3: So that's everyone's mom and dad's different, right.

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Speaker 1: Which one of you would have noticed that the that

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Speaker 2: It ebbed and flowed. So I started at Hills in

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Speaker 1: Wow, that's mad. Did you notice that he needed?

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Speaker 1: I didn't know company. But were you much taller than much?

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Speaker 3: I was just we were STEREO's eggs in the car

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Speaker 2: The holidays going, Why is your legs? So I'm a

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Speaker 1: But to directed there was But did you see that

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Speaker 3: I've had a few knocks in my days in Rugby,

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Speaker 1: I guess that's.

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Speaker 3: When I see people in need of whatever may be,

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Speaker 1: That's really interesting because I know these people exist, but

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Speaker 4: And of.

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Speaker 1: Where they comes from, Like is it a is it

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Speaker 3: It's definitely I think it's genetics, it's how you are.

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Speaker 2: You don't think I don't think it's nurture.

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Speaker 3: I think nurture has a part of it. But I

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Speaker 3: I think nurturing does either emphasize it or can minimize it,

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Speaker 1: But I think the chorus, the core is I believe

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Speaker 3: Both mum and dad the same, Mum more than dad.

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Speaker 3: My parents divorced when they're young, but so I live

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Speaker 1: And Jimmy, which like so was it when his direction

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Speaker 2: I just want to touch on when we're twelve, was

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Speaker 2: Actually used to see my T shirts too, And I

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Speaker 2: cheated at school with you as well off me. Sorry

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Speaker 1: Me, he looked.

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Speaker 2: When we're twelve, that's from his mum said to him.

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Speaker 2: That guy there, he's a keeper, he's amazing so and

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's wrong once.

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Speaker 1: It's funny. When I was a kid, we had an

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Speaker 1: ida made a school called white Bed. My best friend

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Speaker 1: him because we used to go. I had another made

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Speaker 1: He's so nice, you know, And then I heard I

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Speaker 1: I just it was something that rang in my ears.

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Speaker 1: At that age. I was only like seventeen, drinking beers.

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Speaker 2: I think it was uncomfortable at first because my family

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Speaker 3: Put it this way, my mum met my wife now

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Speaker 3: I'm not too sure what it was, but it's pretty

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Speaker 1: As soon as she meets you, we should have it.

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Speaker 2: The similar to was I loved sport. I was into

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Speaker 2: fucking ate it. It was just boring. My family had originally

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Speaker 1: Well, that decision just that's a big deal, that decision

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Speaker 2: It wasn't really a spur of the moment decision though

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Speaker 1: It has been planned. So you decided, well, when the

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Speaker 1: what what does that mean?

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Speaker 2: Like the most scumbag Aussies you stick a backpack on

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Speaker 2: that was about what.

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Speaker 1: Was it you're trying to experience? What were you trying

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Speaker 1: to We had no idea. Yeah, but I'm going to

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Speaker 3: So where'd you go where Japan for On the way

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Speaker 3: So we went to Japan, which is incredible, only there

439
00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:11,720
Speaker 3: for about three or four weeks.

440
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Speaker 1: But what did you what did you culturally?

441
00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:17,760
Speaker 2: We were supposed to be there for two months. I'd

442
00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:22,280
Speaker 2: studied Japanese at school and loved the culture from what

443
00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:25,120
Speaker 2: I knew. But yeah, we got there and we were traveling,

444
00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:27,280
Speaker 2: and we spent a year's worth of money in two

445
00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:29,520
Speaker 2: and a half weeks because it was so expensive, and we.

446
00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:30,480
Speaker 1: Drank a lot.

447
00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:33,560
Speaker 2: Twenty one year old kids had no idea about money

448
00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:36,560
Speaker 2: as well. That was phenomenal.

449
00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:39,320
Speaker 1: Have you been, Yeah, so what did you experience it?

450
00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:41,560
Speaker 1: Because I'm trying to work out what you've taken back

451
00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:44,199
Speaker 1: into your business from Japan. Yeah.

452
00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:46,399
Speaker 2: The thing that I remember most. We flew into Tokyo.

453
00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:48,600
Speaker 2: We got straight on the shin consent and went up

454
00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:50,720
Speaker 2: to a little town called Tuzzi Waka, which was on

455
00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:54,919
Speaker 2: the most northern part of the main island, and then

456
00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:58,560
Speaker 2: we walked through the snow with our backpacks to the

457
00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:03,360
Speaker 2: youth hostel because we couldn't decipher how to get any

458
00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:06,600
Speaker 2: other means to the hostel, and we couldn't work out

459
00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:10,399
Speaker 2: the vending machines, we couldn't speak the language, we had

460
00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:13,879
Speaker 2: a little phrase book, couldn't order food, and eventually we

461
00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:17,640
Speaker 2: kind of went down to little cafetier and cafeteria and

462
00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:21,480
Speaker 2: we're trying to get some food and this woman who

463
00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:25,600
Speaker 2: was probably seventies or eighties came over and ordered some

464
00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:28,440
Speaker 2: food for us, and she'd ordered a long Necker beer

465
00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:30,960
Speaker 2: and she gave us poured out the beer, and she said,

466
00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:33,480
Speaker 2: I'm just so happy that you are traveling in my country,

467
00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:36,040
Speaker 2: and I just want to show you some hospitality. And

468
00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:39,439
Speaker 2: that was probably the first time that that kind of

469
00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:43,400
Speaker 2: term of hospitality was really shown to us. That it's

470
00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:47,880
Speaker 2: not about getting someone fed or pissed. It's about welcoming

471
00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:50,760
Speaker 2: them into your space and giving them an experience. And

472
00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:53,520
Speaker 2: this woman was just doing it because she was so

473
00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:57,359
Speaker 2: proud of her country that three random Aussie white dudes

474
00:20:57,440 --> 00:20:59,960
Speaker 2: were traveling and wanted to see it and she was

475
00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:00,680
Speaker 2: proud of it.

476
00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:02,280
Speaker 3: And that's Japan, as you know you've been there. That

477
00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:04,920
Speaker 3: just the hospital. Hospitality in Japan is second to none.

478
00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:05,359
Speaker 1: Yeah.

479
00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:08,080
Speaker 3: One of our core values, which I'm sure we'll talk about,

480
00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:10,600
Speaker 3: is you know, desire to create an experience and that

481
00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:12,000
Speaker 3: comes from within and you can't teach that.

482
00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:13,399
Speaker 1: It's natural. We have it, you don't have it.

483
00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:14,840
Speaker 3: It's just disingraem with them.

484
00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:17,359
Speaker 1: So when you when you if you think back to

485
00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:22,639
Speaker 1: that experience, now, what maybe three words or something? What

486
00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:26,680
Speaker 1: three things? Maybe maybe you say two? But are there

487
00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:30,440
Speaker 1: three words could describe it? Not a phrase but like

488
00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:32,560
Speaker 1: I don't want to put words in your mouth, but

489
00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:36,080
Speaker 1: that moment, if you think back of what did you well?

490
00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:41,320
Speaker 2: It was kind of I felt humbled that somebody was

491
00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:46,399
Speaker 2: so willing to take time out of her She was

492
00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:49,399
Speaker 2: traveling herself, she didn't know us, she didn't know us anything.

493
00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:53,960
Speaker 2: She just wanted to spend time with us for nothing

494
00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:58,280
Speaker 2: in return. That was the kind of So you were surprised, Yeah, yeah,

495
00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:00,639
Speaker 2: but I mean I've just felt small and humbled. It

496
00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:01,720
Speaker 2: is probably the first thing.

497
00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:04,480
Speaker 3: How good is how good is this moment? Do you

498
00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:05,960
Speaker 3: know mean by that? Like how would you go to

499
00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:07,399
Speaker 3: a venue or a place you just look at your

500
00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:09,480
Speaker 3: mate and go how good is this? And it's those

501
00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:11,440
Speaker 3: moments that it's not just about either the food or drink,

502
00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:13,800
Speaker 3: it's the whole environment. It's like it's just something it

503
00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:15,960
Speaker 3: feels right, How good is this? Is just those moments

504
00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:19,040
Speaker 3: you have which we've tried to replicate in all avenues.

505
00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:20,879
Speaker 1: Because I want to go through the values that you

506
00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:24,240
Speaker 1: have in your venues at a moment, because because I'm

507
00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:29,720
Speaker 1: obviously you traveled, you probably experienced similar sort of experience

508
00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:32,840
Speaker 1: similar events in other places around the world on your travels,

509
00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:36,120
Speaker 1: and I guess I should before I get to deep

510
00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:39,560
Speaker 1: into the value part. When did you decide the two

511
00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:40,840
Speaker 1: of you to go into hospitality?

512
00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:43,440
Speaker 3: Then after this trip, well in this ship, so we

513
00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:45,680
Speaker 3: actually from Japan went to the UK and we've actually

514
00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:48,800
Speaker 3: we went through London. We ended up in Edinburgh and

515
00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:53,160
Speaker 3: that's where we based ourselves in Scotland and Scotland and

516
00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:56,040
Speaker 3: we weren't get originally work at hospitality at or Jimmy

517
00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:57,760
Speaker 3: when I worked at a pool because it's sort of

518
00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:02,120
Speaker 3: aligned with his with his sports, and I wasn't unemployed,

519
00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:03,399
Speaker 3: and I only wake up to the point where I

520
00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:04,919
Speaker 3: had to find a job, and I knew someone who

521
00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:08,800
Speaker 3: was working in a company called Montpelliers, which is a

522
00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:11,920
Speaker 3: decent hospitality company in Scotland. And I went for a

523
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:15,399
Speaker 3: job and then start off as the bottom run glassy,

524
00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:18,119
Speaker 3: just washing glasses and so forth, and just over the

525
00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:19,879
Speaker 3: next couple of months just stepped up and stepped up

526
00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:22,320
Speaker 3: in two rolls and I was coming home five in

527
00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:25,200
Speaker 3: the morning after having a pretty good night. He'd begin

528
00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:26,679
Speaker 3: up at five in the morning and he's.

529
00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:28,840
Speaker 2: Like going to the gym to go this This is

530
00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:31,040
Speaker 2: not right. It wasn't it wasn't right.

531
00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:33,439
Speaker 1: Something's wrong with this party or this picture. So he's like,

532
00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:33,880
Speaker 1: how do.

533
00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:36,040
Speaker 3: I get a job or you're doing Yeah, at least

534
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:36,920
Speaker 3: have a job at the same place.

535
00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:37,280
Speaker 1: Correct.

536
00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:39,800
Speaker 3: So he went same company, but different venue, and we

537
00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:42,200
Speaker 3: just gradually worked our way up and ended up running

538
00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:43,800
Speaker 3: one of the one of their venues, and he.

539
00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:45,160
Speaker 1: Ran one of the venues in Scotland.

540
00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:49,120
Speaker 3: We were there for four years, ended up running Indigo Yard,

541
00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:52,600
Speaker 3: which is one of the big venues in Scotland. And

542
00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:56,800
Speaker 3: after that came home. So hospitality was it was in

543
00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:58,040
Speaker 3: my blood then half those four you.

544
00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:00,199
Speaker 1: But when you came home, did you just both you

545
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:02,000
Speaker 1: guys set up a business together.

546
00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:04,359
Speaker 3: Well, I came home a few years before him. He

547
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:07,439
Speaker 3: found his now wife in the UK and moved back

548
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:10,560
Speaker 3: to London and did some design stuff. And when I

549
00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:12,240
Speaker 3: got back to Sydney, the Sydney.

550
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:13,640
Speaker 1: Hospitality scene was a disgrace.

551
00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:17,119
Speaker 3: We've been in two thousand and four, two thousand and five, right,

552
00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:21,159
Speaker 3: so you're talking, you know, big establishments, no customer service,

553
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:24,879
Speaker 3: just about making the bottom line, making the dollar and

554
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:27,960
Speaker 3: removing you what you've had your skin full, whereas we

555
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:28,920
Speaker 3: came from the UK with.

556
00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:31,040
Speaker 1: The hospital is part of the culture, right, It's part

557
00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:31,840
Speaker 1: of the part of the day.

558
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:33,240
Speaker 3: Today you go to the pub in the afternoon, you

559
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:35,600
Speaker 3: have a point with your friends, you know the bartender.

560
00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:38,400
Speaker 1: And it's part of your lifestyle. So I rang had.

561
00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:41,239
Speaker 3: Said, Mane, this is disgrace. Our home is city is

562
00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:44,000
Speaker 3: just it's not what This as a shock to us.

563
00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:45,800
Speaker 3: It was a shock to me, and I said, we've

564
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:47,600
Speaker 3: got to do something here. We have to do something.

565
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:50,080
Speaker 3: We can't just we have to bring what we've learned

566
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:54,280
Speaker 3: back into into Sydney and create something special that we

567
00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:55,760
Speaker 3: can emulate all we've experienced.

568
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:58,000
Speaker 1: Now you had you have a conversation about email or

569
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,639
Speaker 1: something on the blowout phone.

570
00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:03,200
Speaker 3: And he always wanted to work next to me because

571
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:05,120
Speaker 3: we push each other. So he always wanted to open

572
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:06,679
Speaker 3: a restaurant next to me or a bar next to me,

573
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:08,439
Speaker 3: so we'd actually push each other to be better. So

574
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:10,119
Speaker 3: it's a little bit of convincing there to me say no,

575
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:11,360
Speaker 3: we should do it together.

576
00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 2: Not a separate, which was a good decision. Obviously this

577
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 2: is now twenty years later, and.

578
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:19,439
Speaker 1: So do you remember what was your first venue? First thing?

579
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 3: He was Grandma's. So Grandma's Bar was a tiny little

580
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:24,480
Speaker 3: cocktail bar. Was one of the first small bars to

581
00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:27,440
Speaker 3: open under the new license. So before the small bar

582
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:30,159
Speaker 3: legislation came through, you know, you're talking sixty seventy one

583
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:32,919
Speaker 3: hundred thousand dollars for a lique license and they dropped

584
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:35,359
Speaker 3: it to five hundred bucks. It had to be small

585
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:36,920
Speaker 3: and had to sort of only trade it with a

586
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:38,480
Speaker 3: certain amount hours. So we were one of those first

587
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:42,199
Speaker 3: small bars, and we called it Grandma's Why, well, what's

588
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,520
Speaker 3: your grandma's house? Like, it's the opposite of what the

589
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:47,200
Speaker 3: city hospitality scene was. It's welcoming, it's your home away,

590
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 3: it's a highway from home. It's engaging, it's warm, you know,

591
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:52,919
Speaker 3: place that you want to be. And we used to

592
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:54,879
Speaker 3: just say hello and goodbye to guests when they walked in,

593
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:56,040
Speaker 3: and the people woul look at us like are you

594
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:56,679
Speaker 3: guys crazy?

595
00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:59,760
Speaker 1: Like low to me?

596
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:01,399
Speaker 2: So as you walk into it, they see something in this,

597
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:03,439
Speaker 2: but honestly look at you like you're a weirdo, and

598
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:05,679
Speaker 2: why are you talking to me? I've never met you before.

599
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,679
Speaker 3: And it just took it took off, and people like this,

600
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:10,960
Speaker 3: you know, they were busy, and we had lines at

601
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:13,919
Speaker 3: the door from five in the afternoon until until ten

602
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 3: at night, pretty much six or seven, six days a week.

603
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:19,879
Speaker 3: So that was our first and it was small. We

604
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:21,200
Speaker 3: had to killed each other because it was like a

605
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:24,399
Speaker 3: fifty sixty square meter space. And then we went to

606
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 3: open the rover after that.

607
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:28,639
Speaker 1: And so let's just tell me. And I don't know

608
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:31,639
Speaker 1: Grandma's because I'm not really out there, goune of bars,

609
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 1: So tell me where Grandma's is.

610
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:36,560
Speaker 3: Grandma's is now closed. It was on Clarence Street, Clarence.

611
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 3: It's closed because the building is being demolished for another

612
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:40,000
Speaker 3: building site.

613
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:41,440
Speaker 1: We had it for twelve years.

614
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:49,160
Speaker 2: Twenty ten we opened and we left two thirteen, yeah, Augusta.

615
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:50,800
Speaker 1: And the second one, the Rover's still there.

616
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 3: SAT's down at Sarry Hills on Campbell Street. It was

617
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 3: the Wild Rover and then we've rebranded into the Rover.

618
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:00,320
Speaker 3: We kind of opened venues where we are in our

619
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:02,240
Speaker 3: lives and it has sort of what is it was

620
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:03,920
Speaker 3: important to us at that time we kind of there's

621
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:05,679
Speaker 3: that influence behind that each space.

622
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 1: So what's what what what does the Rover Bar represent

623
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 1: to you?

624
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:11,560
Speaker 3: Well, the Wild Rover when I first opened, was that

625
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:13,720
Speaker 3: that was you opened up the Wild rd correct, we

626
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 3: opened the World Rover and it was like swashbuckling foot

627
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:20,720
Speaker 3: stomping Irish Ginners, you know, that kind of quite loud

628
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 3: rip in the kind.

629
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:25,679
Speaker 2: Of space the venue seem to represent where we are

630
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 2: in our life, so Grandma's, we've been traveling. We love

631
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:34,159
Speaker 2: that intimate small cocktail scene. We love the interaction with

632
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:37,640
Speaker 2: the guests and the banter. Then we did really well

633
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 2: out of that. We built it ourselves. We had a

634
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 2: little bit of money now in the bank, so then

635
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 2: we wanted to kind of show what we could do.

636
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 2: So the Rover was a little bit bigger, it was

637
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:47,880
Speaker 2: built a little bit better. We actually had someone else

638
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 2: build the bar rather than us. It was a little

639
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 2: bit flashier. It was a little bit louder, you know,

640
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 2: we were a little bit more confident now so and

641
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:57,359
Speaker 2: then as we've sort of evolved over the years, we

642
00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 2: keep adding layers and emotion that kind of suit where

643
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 2: we're at in our life. So the Rover we would

644
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 2: settle with our partners. We still were kid free, we

645
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 2: were mortgage free, living a good life, and we wanted

646
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:13,679
Speaker 2: to kind of show that through our venues.

647
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:16,879
Speaker 1: So you're still in your twenties, we are, No, we're in.

648
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 2: Our thirty So we opened yeah, no, we opened Grandmas

649
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:20,400
Speaker 2: when we were thirty.

650
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 1: Right when you're thirty. Yeah. So then what happened after

651
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:24,160
Speaker 1: the Wild Rover?

652
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:27,480
Speaker 3: So after over, we decided to open a venue in

653
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 3: Boomin called Wilhelmina's. So we sort of wanted to get

654
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:31,159
Speaker 3: our way from that.

655
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:33,720
Speaker 2: Sort of We're now married and I've got a kid

656
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:35,959
Speaker 2: on the way, so let's let's go for urbans.

657
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:37,120
Speaker 1: Pretty, let's go suburban.

658
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 3: But you kept the River could still still trading today.

659
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 3: We've rebranded too. We've lost the world. We can get

660
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 3: back to that in a second. But we opened a

661
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 3: place called Willeminas and Baomain and we really love that

662
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 3: kind of neighborhood.

663
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 1: Out of the Hassenbus of the city.

664
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 3: We had it for a few years and we ended

665
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 3: up selling it and the main reason for that was

666
00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 3: I guess our model is as a company for mine

667
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 3: James's perspective. You know, we come up with a great concept,

668
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 3: is a great concept. We travel, we go overseas, we

669
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 3: we really deep dive into that concept and we really

670
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 3: try to analyze and nuts out the true authenticity behind it.

671
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 3: And then we come back with Sydney to dies it.

672
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 3: So we we make that market to what we what

673
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 3: we can what we'll work in Sydney because obviously we're

674
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 3: an individual market. And then we put all the infrastructure

675
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 3: we know, we get the concept of and running. We're

676
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 3: in there day and night, one hundred hour weeks, get

677
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 3: that concept squeaky clean, and then we start to sort

678
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 3: of back out in a way of we get the

679
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 3: management team in who's then start to run that so

680
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 3: we can then grow the business. But the thing with

681
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 3: a local neighborhood venue like Will and Means is the

682
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 3: locals want to see the owner, right You want to

683
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 3: see the pizza guy who is your mate, Frank, He's

684
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 3: making the pizza every day but when we left, they're

685
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 3: like always Warren a James squad. We're like, oh, they're

686
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 3: on the next day.

687
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 4: Like make the money correct, Well, no, there was no money,

688
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 4: so we have to go back in again because we'd

689
00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 4: have to go because the business started to drop with

690
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 4: a new will admit is but to go back, We'll

691
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 4: go back in again.

692
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 2: When we still had it. So when when was it

693
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 2: says we sort of step out. We're not selling it off.

694
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 2: It's still ours. We just employ a manager. All of

695
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 2: our venues have a management structure under them or sorry,

696
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 2: we employ managers to run them and we oversee them.

697
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 2: So but when we weren't there, the local customers were like,

698
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 2: where's where's Jimy and Wave. We've come to know them.

699
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 2: They know what our drink is. The manager doesn't know

700
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 2: this they and so they stopped coming.

701
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:30,040
Speaker 1: So is that a lesson for you there that in

702
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 1: terms of building a business or a brand, you've got

703
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 1: to it's better to divorce yourself from the brand to

704
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 1: make the band or ubiquitous.

705
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 2: No, not at all, certainly not for us. We've never

706
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 2: made we've never tried to make the brand about us personally.

707
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 2: We're not we're not the stars of the ship.

708
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 1: Or a chef. We don't hire celebrity chefs to come

709
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 1: in because that's so that is a lesson, So don't

710
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:55,240
Speaker 1: make the place attached to you.

711
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 2: But I guess the lesson for this was for our

712
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 2: business model. Subs probably aren't the right location for that

713
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 2: type of environment.

714
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 1: Because in the suburb, the locals are expecting to see

715
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 1: someone knows local that is crer joint, which you too.

716
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 1: So in other words, a local brand usually requires having

717
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 1: a local person it needs, whereas a city brand can

718
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 1: have you biquitous, it can be anybody. Because the people

719
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 1: go to that venue to go to the venue, they

720
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 1: probably go to the local venue to see Yeah.

721
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 2: Exactly, and that's not what we wanted we want to have.

722
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 1: It's also restrictive because you can't expand that's not you

723
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 1: can't have more mine venue.

724
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 2: And we learned from Grandma's, which was the same sort

725
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 2: of size as your studio, that we can't function with

726
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 2: who we are as people in that smaller space. We

727
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 2: need more space to roam. We're two confident, arrogant, cocky,

728
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 2: stubborn personalities that just were headbutting constantly in that small space.

729
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 1: I'm going to go the bakin. When I come back

730
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 1: from the break, I want to talk about the balance

731
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 1: of your venues, but I want to talk to you

732
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 1: about your values and what you've learned from traveling, which

733
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 1: you learned from experience, experiencing each other's families, and how

734
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 1: those things have bled into your business, both at a

735
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 1: staff level and probably more importantly, a customer level. So

736
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 1: go to the break, comes straight back. I'm back from

737
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 1: the break, and I'm here with Warren warser Burns. Actually

738
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 1: that's very Scottish name by it is James Jimmy Bradley.

739
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 1: Probably not Scottish, but it doesn't matter. Something like that

740
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 1: be English or something. And of course you know you're

741
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 1: the co founders of Liquid and Larder. But we've just

742
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 1: gone through some of your venues, and you've got lots

743
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 1: of more venues. So can you just top us off

744
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 1: with how many venues you currently have. I know you

745
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 1: got one you want to talk about. We'll leave that

746
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 1: one aside from the moment a new one, but let's

747
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 1: just talk about what your venues are, what venues you

748
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 1: guys have established over the years. So we've got we've

749
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 1: got the first two Grandma's Grandma's the Rover first first three,

750
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 1: I should say, so it went Grandma's was the Wild Rover,

751
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 1: now the Rover. We then opened Wilhelmina's in Balmain. There

752
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 1: was a period of time where we split the premises

753
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 1: in two and had half as Willelmina's, which was a

754
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 1: wine bar, and half we split into a new brand

755
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 1: called Burgerhood, which was a burger restaurant. Then in twenty

756
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 1: eighteen we opened the Stecca, which was kind of our

757
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 1: first rocket to success for argument's sake. So that's one

758
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 1: in the city there up towards George Street, Bridge Street. Sorry, yeah, yeah, yeah,

759
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 1: it's downstairs.

760
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 3: You get downstairs, correct, only serving one cut of meat

761
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 3: they carve it.

762
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 1: You walk in there and you get in these stairs

763
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 1: and there's a bar at the first thing agin and

764
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 1: there's there's a bar, but you go outside, so you

765
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 1: go inside and there's another area. So I went there

766
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 1: with Jeff Anik when a few times, yeah, Jeff Whites

767
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 1: are there. Yeah, it's a state joint.

768
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 2: It is correct.

769
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 1: That's a bestick of means, I guess, but he likes

770
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:00,479
Speaker 1: it and I liked it to I went there, went

771
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 1: there for lunch with him something happens, something happened there

772
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 1: that I can't remember what it was, but it's some

773
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:08,880
Speaker 1: rule you have or so take your phone away. That's right.

774
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 3: We don't have any phones in both our Dinarostka and

775
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 3: our next venue, which Jimmy will explain this bit of it.

776
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:14,800
Speaker 3: Don't know any phones in the dining.

777
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 1: Room anyway, in the dining room. So that's what it was.

778
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 1: It was I thought for study that they made me

779
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:23,840
Speaker 1: take me shoes off. You were something pretty important.

780
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 2: It touched on the about the brand, and that is

781
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 2: a really good point for us, is our venues and

782
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 2: our brand as a company is about experience orientated dining

783
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 2: and drinking. It's not just about giving you something to

784
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 2: eat or drink, and removing someone's phone.

785
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 1: Is key to that.

786
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,320
Speaker 2: Particularly for the Stecca. It's got no windows.

787
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's rights sort of underground.

788
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, you walk through some fire stairs into a dark

789
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:54,279
Speaker 2: bar and then round the corner threw another door into

790
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:56,239
Speaker 2: a lighter dining space. I remember that, so it's a

791
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 2: little bit disorientated. I did feel that like a casino.

792
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:01,840
Speaker 2: There's no clocks on the wall, you don't know what

793
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 2: time it is, and then we remove your phone so

794
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:07,760
Speaker 2: you deprived of your most important sensory experience.

795
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 1: I let you take my phone. You don't have to.

796
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:12,359
Speaker 3: I don't think I did.

797
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 1: I think, but I definitely didn't turn it on. I

798
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 1: turned it off. I respected the request, but I don't

799
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:19,840
Speaker 1: remember actually issuing my phone to anybody.

800
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 3: So with Bisteka, we went to travel through itly obviously

801
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 3: to dive in that concert. And we went dinner one

802
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 3: night and we're on our phones. We used to do

803
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 3: our reviews on our phones for the restaurants so we

804
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 3: can could of take notes, and we had this norna

805
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 3: across the restaurant.

806
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 1: A grandma just stare at us, like what are you

807
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 1: doing on your phone?

808
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:38,880
Speaker 2: Really phone came over and just yelled at us.

809
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:39,400
Speaker 1: Obnestly.

810
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:42,320
Speaker 2: She came over as like like Italian, Yeah, kind of

811
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:45,279
Speaker 2: along the lines of you're in Monte Puciano. We're at

812
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 2: a restaurant called Aquakata. There's a guy up there hacking

813
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 2: at this big beast. It was so atmospheric, and we're

814
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:54,280
Speaker 2: they're both on our phones. I think we're probably squabbling

815
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 2: with each other as well about something, and she's like.

816
00:35:57,560 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 1: Get off your sound like the odd couple, you know,

817
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 1: she's like, get off your.

818
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 2: Phone, And so we got off the phone and then

819
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 2: we just sort of, you know, put her head up

820
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:07,400
Speaker 2: so we could breathe a little and look around, and

821
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 2: we're like, oh.

822
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 3: We made a pack for the rest of that trip.

823
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:10,919
Speaker 3: No phones the dining room table.

824
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:11,439
Speaker 1: That's cool.

825
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 3: It's on the way back on the plane. We're like,

826
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:14,919
Speaker 3: we why don't we try and bring that into sand

827
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 3: And has that worked well? When I first time my wife,

828
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:19,240
Speaker 3: she's like, you got to be joking.

829
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 1: Me, because people want to take selfies and stuff, take

830
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 1: the food.

831
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 3: Look, I say, eighty per cent of people hand their

832
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:26,840
Speaker 3: phone over without even.

833
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 1: A question generation about what younger people.

834
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 2: The younger people actually sights.

835
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 1: Yeah.

836
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 2: One of the first nights I had, a mature lady

837
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 2: dressed me down like I was a student at school,

838
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 2: and she said, excuse me, I will monitor my own behavior.

839
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 2: I won't have you, young man tell me how to behave.

840
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:45,239
Speaker 3: It's eighty percent of people no problems, you know. The

841
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 3: fifteen percent of people I like, hesitant, they give it

842
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:49,840
Speaker 3: to you, but they actually really enjoyed not having the

843
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 3: phone with them. And then a five percent of people

844
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 3: you get addressing down.

845
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 1: And then when you when she'd reress you down what was.

846
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:58,400
Speaker 2: Shut myself and let her keep the phone. But initially

847
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:00,359
Speaker 2: when we did it at dinner, we were very hard.

848
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:02,800
Speaker 2: You know, you're coming in for dinner, it's a social occasion,

849
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:06,360
Speaker 2: but gentle them in advance on the website.

850
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 1: But you don't send an email confuming bookings. And by

851
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 1: the way, there are no fucking telephones.

852
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 2: When you're in the bar area. Do what you want.

853
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 2: Come through the dining area. We take it away. And

854
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:18,400
Speaker 2: at dinner we would sort of say, look, we understand,

855
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 2: you know, if you've got a babysitter and you need

856
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 2: to hit your phone, we get it right, but try

857
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:26,239
Speaker 2: and remove your phones. But for lunch, initially we were like,

858
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 2: people are doing business, We're not going to do that.

859
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, because that was me, I have to check my

860
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 1: phone for stuff going.

861
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:32,800
Speaker 2: What ended up happening is we would we get a

862
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 2: lot of finance building sector because we were located, come

863
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 2: in and they would hand over their phones because they're

864
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:43,400
Speaker 2: they're doing a deal with someone at the table, and

865
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 2: it was actually a great place for them to do this,

866
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 2: have this conversation because they weren't getting distracted or their

867
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:53,759
Speaker 2: client wasn't getting distracted by the phone, and they were

868
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 2: able to connect on a more personal level and quite

869
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 2: often do quite a good deal at the table.

870
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 1: We did a shifty blade bring in a woman in

871
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:03,720
Speaker 1: there they shouldn't be with it, or a bloke comment

872
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 1: because they're not going to get their photograph taken, a

873
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:09,920
Speaker 1: sneak gup, we get down to the bottom of the basement.

874
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 1: A mistake, but it's hot in the corner.

875
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 2: It's more about making them. I think we're time precious

876
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:19,320
Speaker 2: as a society now, so it's making people able to

877
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 2: enjoy the experience of who they're dining with, whether it's

878
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 2: business or family or whatever it might be. So they're

879
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,720
Speaker 2: able to enjoy the environment. And we've made the environment

880
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 2: at Bisteca, and then the next one we sort of

881
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 2: took the idea into the Gidley and did it again

882
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:37,840
Speaker 2: because we wanted people to enjoy the experience that we

883
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 2: were trying to put forward to them.

884
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 1: Where's the Gidley. It's on King Street in the CBD

885
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 1: as well, and what's the theme there? What it will

886
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:45,360
Speaker 1: be doing about the SEC is a steak joint, but what's.

887
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 2: More of an American steak joint, So a little bit

888
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 2: more lush, plush. We broadened the menu out so Besteca

889
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 2: only does t Bone the Gidley kind of heroes the Ribbi,

890
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 2: but there is other things.

891
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,439
Speaker 1: On offer or something like that. Yeah.

892
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, but again, like I said, we jumped on a plane.

893
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 2: We went to New York. We went to all the

894
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 2: famous steakhouses and old school bars and kind of drew

895
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 2: all the inspiration of what makes these institutions iconic, you know,

896
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:17,280
Speaker 2: all the little details about how they serve a martini

897
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 2: or how they present food, or how they serve at

898
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 2: table side down to simple things like we're walking in

899
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:26,880
Speaker 2: a place and we ordered a couple of drinks and

900
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 2: the waiters walking past and we'd finished our drink and

901
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 2: they're like, don't worry, I got you. Like that kind

902
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 2: of acknowledgment that you need something better.

903
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 1: Pretty good that way, it's I got you because they're

904
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:38,359
Speaker 1: looking for the tip. But they're smart. They're working out

905
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:40,759
Speaker 1: pretty fast. Well what were they a little best known for?

906
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 1: Like into the food.

907
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 2: For example, currently, we've just been awarded ninth best burger

908
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:48,800
Speaker 2: in the world. Wow, so we are getting inundated with

909
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 2: people coming in for a burger. We're also one of

910
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 2: the best takeaway sit down, So sit down, burger. It's

911
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:58,400
Speaker 2: a luxe deck about it.

912
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:01,399
Speaker 1: Telling me to describe it, it made my mouth water.

913
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 2: Are you a burger guy?

914
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 1: I love meat?

915
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 2: Honestly, I would say you need to go to the

916
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 2: Gidli twice then, because you go into the lounge and

917
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 2: have the burger, you go into the dining room and

918
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:15,399
Speaker 2: have the full experience. But the burger is a little

919
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:18,320
Speaker 2: bit over the top. We wanted to bring that silver

920
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 2: service element to what's normally served at the corner store

921
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 2: and your local kind of fish and chippy. So we

922
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:28,799
Speaker 2: use our own meat that we've aged at Alfie's, which

923
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:33,239
Speaker 2: is the next venue that we've opened. So we ate

924
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:37,279
Speaker 2: our own meat. We use that which gives a really

925
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:41,360
Speaker 2: rich kind of decadent taste to the paddy. A briosh

926
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 2: bun which is sweeter, or milk bun, milk milk bun.

927
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 2: But I guess the silver service side of it is

928
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:48,360
Speaker 2: body additions.

929
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 1: So you've got like it well, So double paddy sets.

930
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 3: Of cheese American cheese obviously, and you can order a

931
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 3: side of bacon which is a honey smoke bacon or

932
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:00,799
Speaker 3: maple smoke bacon sorry, or and an egg.

933
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:03,240
Speaker 1: So if not on not on the burger.

934
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 3: Yes, you you can create it on the burger. So

935
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 3: the standard burger burger, and we make.

936
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 6: A little source with it, so we actually pick up,

937
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:12,359
Speaker 6: we wear a white glove, we carve the the egg,

938
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 6: and we actually silver over the burger to make it

939
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 6: kind of a bit more of a of a of

940
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 6: a decades burger.

941
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:22,879
Speaker 1: Yes, you see, you're trying to deliver decadence correct, Yeah,

942
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 1: in a burger, Which that's cool, that's very cool. I

943
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:29,359
Speaker 1: will definitely try that. I definitely would try that one

944
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 1: hundred percent. And they get some chips or something like, yeah,

945
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:35,720
Speaker 1: they sort of well, actually shake shake fries.

946
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 3: So you get them in a brown paper bag, you

947
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:38,919
Speaker 3: add your own season and you shake shake away.

948
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:42,839
Speaker 1: And by sort we're doing about French fries. French French fries,

949
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 1: A French fries. We're very American. I like French fries. Yeah,

950
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:48,320
Speaker 1: that's so, that's the Gidley. That's the Gidly. So and

951
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:50,839
Speaker 1: if you if you were to described the experience apart

952
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 1: from the food, what's the experience experientially like apart from

953
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 1: the getting like watching all this stuff happen, like I

954
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:58,399
Speaker 1: guess they get to see the dude with the white

955
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:00,160
Speaker 1: gloves and or the plow.

956
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 2: And the hands off ch astronomy. I guess is what

957
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:06,360
Speaker 2: we like one for nothing. You We want you to

958
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:09,399
Speaker 2: come in there and not have to kind of wish

959
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 2: that there was something that you needed. So anything you need,

960
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 2: anything you want, hopefully we're providing.

961
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 1: Yeah. And what about the theater of it all? I mean,

962
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:21,880
Speaker 1: because you got you've got the besteck, we sort of

963
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:23,400
Speaker 1: there's a bit of theater going or a dark so

964
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:25,319
Speaker 1: you go in these mad stairs and then you walk

965
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:27,279
Speaker 1: into the bar my memory of it, I haven't been

966
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:31,879
Speaker 1: for years, the pre covid and then go to another

967
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 1: room which is a bit lighter than the bar, because

968
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 1: I thought, where am I this dark joint here? What's

969
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 1: going on here? But I saw all these suits in there,

970
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:39,720
Speaker 1: guys standing with suits, so though one must be okay.

971
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:41,359
Speaker 1: And then went out of the back and it was good.

972
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:44,799
Speaker 1: It was a nice state. The state was good. There's

973
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 1: some theater in that. What about the Ghili theater It's it's.

974
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:50,880
Speaker 2: Kind of set up like a members club, So the

975
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 2: front door has very little signage on it and there

976
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 2: is a pressed enter button, so you press the button

977
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 2: and someone will release the catch on the door and

978
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:00,760
Speaker 2: you come down and you're greeted by the host welcomes

979
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 2: you to the lounge area. The lounge is set up

980
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 2: like someone's decad an apartment, so it's got a bar

981
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 2: in there, but there's no bar counter, so you know

982
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 2: you can go most bars, the bartender is behind at

983
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 2: the bar, and so there's that element of separation. This

984
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 2: is one open room, so you feel like you were

985
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 2: able to wander.

986
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 1: A club like a club.

987
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, so it's all open. You're able to walk

988
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 2: right up to the counter where the bartender is making

989
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 2: the drinks and feel like you're in someone's decad and apartment.

990
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 2: So that's part one. It's all very plush and intimate.

991
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 2: The rooms are all separated, so there's a bit of

992
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:38,840
Speaker 2: kind of intimacy with the space. You move through to

993
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 2: the dining area. There's only eleven tables. There's plenty of staff,

994
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 2: but they're not kind of hovering over the top of you.

995
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:48,320
Speaker 2: There's a lot of that want for nothing service with

996
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:52,719
Speaker 2: the food, but dial down so it's not stiff and

997
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 2: stuffy and boring. There's like with the silver service of

998
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 2: the burger, it's kind of taking the piss a little bit.

999
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 2: You don't need to put a glove on and cut

1000
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:04,319
Speaker 2: a burger, but it just adds that theater. So there's

1001
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 2: elements of that with all the food that we serve,

1002
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 2: or it might be a table side martini that we

1003
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 2: bring out which comes on a tray with all the

1004
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 2: accoutrement that you can kind of customize yourself. And then

1005
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:16,719
Speaker 2: we've got a bunch of other rooms that are all

1006
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:19,840
Speaker 2: semi private or private rooms. So we've got a private

1007
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:24,800
Speaker 2: room which has full soundproofing, TV audio facilities. People have

1008
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 2: end of year spreadsheet presentations or other ones where they

1009
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 2: accidentally let go of balloons that cover the CCTV cameras accidentally,

1010
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 2: of course. And then one of the other rooms is

1011
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 2: the poker room, so we've got a private game. Yeah,

1012
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:41,399
Speaker 2: we've got a private poker room. At the back. We'll

1013
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 2: bring in a professional croup here. It's got a full

1014
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 2: size professional table. It's set for dinner, so you have

1015
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:48,279
Speaker 2: dinner on top and then we lift the top off

1016
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:51,759
Speaker 2: and that reveals the poker table. So again very very

1017
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 2: experience experiential.

1018
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:59,399
Speaker 1: Yeah sounds cool, that sounds cool. Licensing police don't listen

1019
00:44:59,440 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 1: to that part of it.

1020
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:03,399
Speaker 3: Fight as long as the house doesn't make any money. Yeah,

1021
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 3: so we don't make any money off of they do well.

1022
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:07,360
Speaker 3: They want to be they want to bet amount.

1023
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 1: Each other, that's perfectly.

1024
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 3: But I'm taking it's only when you're when the chips

1025
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 3: are worth a dollar value that it's an issue.

1026
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 1: Whereas ships are free that you just supply the venue,

1027
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:17,840
Speaker 1: just play correct and the drinks and the food. They

1028
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:19,319
Speaker 1: can play. They can play for the money, they can

1029
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 1: play for whatever they want. But with us, they can

1030
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:26,759
Speaker 1: play for countries. So okay. So and where did you

1031
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 1: see this concept in the US, this particular concept.

1032
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 2: So, I mean New York has plenty of steakhouses. Yeah,

1033
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:37,239
Speaker 2: you know, Keanes and Peter Lugas are probably two of

1034
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 2: the more famous ones. They're huge. I don't know if

1035
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:41,239
Speaker 2: you've been to either of them.

1036
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 1: I've been to. I have been to a steakhouse, a

1037
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 1: famous one in New York, but I can't remember the

1038
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:48,919
Speaker 1: name of it. It's not Simpsons. There's there's a place

1039
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 1: called Simpsons in London and I've been to. I can

1040
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 1: remember the name of the joint in it's like got

1041
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:55,880
Speaker 1: a so like a Jewish sort of name of the

1042
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 1: place in New York that I went to. I got

1043
00:45:58,040 --> 00:45:58,920
Speaker 1: taken there by some but.

1044
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 2: There is lots of them. Yeah, we went to one

1045
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 2: which was called for Charles, which we kind of went

1046
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 2: It was in Greenwich. We went down these little stairs

1047
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:14,360
Speaker 2: through some curtains and we were kind of almost rudely

1048
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:18,800
Speaker 2: abruptly served in a cheeky, funny manner by these staff

1049
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:21,920
Speaker 2: and then taken to our table. It wasn't until a

1050
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 2: nine thirty booking. We normally are in bed by nine thirty,

1051
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 2: so by that point we'd had a few blasts of

1052
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 2: the wine maybe, so the memories are a little bit fuzzy,

1053
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:33,759
Speaker 2: but it was just really atmospheric. The food was good.

1054
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:36,759
Speaker 2: It wasn't exceptional, to be honest, but it was what

1055
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:39,360
Speaker 2: kind of clicked for us. So we had the space.

1056
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:41,360
Speaker 2: We had no idea what we wanted to use for

1057
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:45,839
Speaker 2: the space for the Gidli specifically, so we'd gone over

1058
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 2: there fishing. We knew it wanted to be steak orientated

1059
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:52,879
Speaker 2: because of the success of Bistecca, but this venue really

1060
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 2: kind of made it click to us that what we

1061
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:58,320
Speaker 2: got right at Bistecca wasn't that it was steak, it

1062
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 2: was that it was geared around around pushing an experience

1063
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 2: that we loved onto our guests and create an environment

1064
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 2: that they could thrive in. That So this was a

1065
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 2: similar experience that we really, I guess gravitated too, and

1066
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 2: we knew that that's how we wanted to set up.

1067
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 2: The venue in Sydney was like that.

1068
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 3: And it's imperative that all five senses are being hit

1069
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:25,239
Speaker 3: right Obviously, you know when you walk at a venue,

1070
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:26,840
Speaker 3: you want it to be aesthetically pleasing. She knew that

1071
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:28,839
Speaker 3: that site to be to be awow and it needs

1072
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 3: to marry up with the way the tables feel, the

1073
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:32,760
Speaker 3: way the cutter it feels, the way the napkins feel, obviously,

1074
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:35,319
Speaker 3: the taste the food, the smell of the venue. It's

1075
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 3: imperative that you know, you've even gone to a restaurant

1076
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 3: and someone's like, how was that? You're like it it

1077
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:40,959
Speaker 3: was okay, And you said, well, why it was just okay?

1078
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 3: This I don't know, just it was just okay. It

1079
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 3: just didn't it didn't wow me. Is that as a guest,

1080
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 3: you go there and you're sub conscious is picking up

1081
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:51,440
Speaker 3: all these little inconsistencies with what the product is and

1082
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 3: you just don't know what you can't put your finger

1083
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:55,840
Speaker 3: on it. But it's not it's not quite right, and

1084
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 3: you know, it's impaired that all our five senses are

1085
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:00,440
Speaker 3: being hit. And that's a really important of all that

1086
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 3: businesses is that they're you know, they they engage you in,

1087
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:06,279
Speaker 3: all of you in the space. It's not just about

1088
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:08,160
Speaker 3: the food. There's better restaurants doing better food out there

1089
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 3: a hundred percent. But you know, when we went to

1090
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:12,759
Speaker 3: Four Charles, the food was going to be good no

1091
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 3: matter how bad it was. Yeah, because I was in,

1092
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 3: I was sold. I feel good right that moment. If

1093
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 3: I just feel good, if they give you an average

1094
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:21,879
Speaker 3: product is still going to taste pretty good.

1095
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 1: It was. And by the way, most the quality of

1096
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 1: most food, at least you're in Australia at least, like

1097
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:31,800
Speaker 1: raw materials, it's pretty bloody good. It's hard to stuff,

1098
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:34,319
Speaker 1: you know, like if it was just makeing a steak.

1099
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 1: I'm not saying I'm not putting anyone down, but like

1100
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:39,120
Speaker 1: you know, if it's a high quality bit of meat

1101
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:41,759
Speaker 1: to start with, and you're a reasonable chef, you.

1102
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:43,720
Speaker 2: Should fuck yeah, you're already one.

1103
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:45,840
Speaker 1: You're sweet. Like I can even cook a good steak.

1104
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 2: You know, what's your go to steak well.

1105
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 1: I like t bone. I've always loved too because it

1106
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:53,880
Speaker 1: reminds me of a gurr up as a kid. That

1107
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 1: was our real special night t bone at night, which

1108
00:48:57,200 --> 00:48:58,759
Speaker 1: wasn't that all that often, but when we got one

1109
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:00,279
Speaker 1: is great because you get in the you get the

1110
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:04,359
Speaker 1: filler in the bit of each and my I remember

1111
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:05,840
Speaker 1: it's funny. My dad used always makee me eat the

1112
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:07,320
Speaker 1: fatterer on and I used to die and and stuff

1113
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:09,120
Speaker 1: to eat the faederal. But today I love the fat

1114
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 1: saying I hate the fat, there's actually correct his flavor

1115
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:16,960
Speaker 1: and I like that bit of fat. Now that's my

1116
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:21,359
Speaker 1: go to or or or a surloin. Probably not big

1117
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:23,880
Speaker 1: on the luna meats like the filets and stuff like that,

1118
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 1: but yeah, but I actually would eat the burger at

1119
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:29,920
Speaker 1: the Italy. I definitely would try the burger for the

1120
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:31,480
Speaker 1: experience because I want to. I'm not going to go

1121
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 1: buy burgers normally because you know, I'm just sort of

1122
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 1: health conscious and all that sort of stuff, And but

1123
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:39,880
Speaker 1: I would make an exception to try that out because

1124
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:41,920
Speaker 1: of the experience or the way you just described it

1125
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:44,960
Speaker 1: to me. If you ordered the egg, I definitely ordered

1126
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:47,920
Speaker 1: the egg. Yeah, I mean because I now I want

1127
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 1: to see it being done. So Nat, You've got me in.

1128
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 1: So it's not because I wanted a hamburger or a

1129
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:57,359
Speaker 1: burger beat burger. It's because I want to see all

1130
00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:01,080
Speaker 1: this stuff going on. So you're the makes sense. I mean,

1131
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:04,879
Speaker 1: you two guys are the best ads here. Your own joints. Yeah,

1132
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:08,239
Speaker 1: just your own descriptions is very good, you know. And

1133
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:10,440
Speaker 1: what are the values? You talk about values before, So

1134
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:13,680
Speaker 1: I think it was what are the values of your

1135
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 1: institution's relative to your staff, your customers, everything.

1136
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 3: I think it's you know, back to people, the business

1137
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:24,080
Speaker 3: is not successful forwards to me and James. The business

1138
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:25,799
Speaker 3: is successful because of the people that were with us.

1139
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:28,479
Speaker 3: We're only two people, you know, Grandma's what's successful because

1140
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:29,680
Speaker 3: of us? Yeah, sure, But the rest of it, as

1141
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 3: a business is growing, is the people around us. And

1142
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:37,400
Speaker 3: over the years of working together, we've established core values.

1143
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, what are they?

1144
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:40,960
Speaker 3: So we've got six core values and we basically hire

1145
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:44,239
Speaker 3: against these core values. We manage staff against these core values,

1146
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:45,520
Speaker 3: and we fire against these core values.

1147
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:47,840
Speaker 1: So you let the people who work for you know

1148
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:49,960
Speaker 1: the core values and also where they sit. So there's

1149
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:50,880
Speaker 1: a traffic light system.

1150
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:53,800
Speaker 3: So Mark will have all these six core values, and

1151
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:55,600
Speaker 3: you have a color system next to each of those

1152
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:58,080
Speaker 3: core values. Green bee you achieve those core value, that

1153
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:00,239
Speaker 3: core value at all times or most of the time,

1154
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:04,239
Speaker 3: yellow orange will be we need some work one of

1155
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:06,200
Speaker 3: those core values is not you sort of dropping the

1156
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:08,000
Speaker 3: border and read as you don't. You don't possess that

1157
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 3: core value and it's it's time to move on.

1158
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:15,239
Speaker 1: So is this has dashboard kept their own dashboard or.

1159
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:17,279
Speaker 3: Each each staff and has their own profile, and on

1160
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:19,200
Speaker 3: that profile is they can go and look at it

1161
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:21,400
Speaker 3: that they can access where they are. But as we

1162
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 3: have one on ones every quart every three months where

1163
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:27,080
Speaker 3: the start quarterly quarterly reviews, yep, and that's their manager.

1164
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 3: All their direct manager will sit go and go through

1165
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 3: their core values, how they're how they're tracking. Any conversations

1166
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:33,520
Speaker 3: need to be had, but if they're read, it's it's

1167
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:35,440
Speaker 3: spoken about more than just a quarterly. It's spoken about

1168
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:36,359
Speaker 3: straight away.

1169
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:38,920
Speaker 1: So for example, what could.

1170
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:43,800
Speaker 3: Drive driven and I mean driven is not driven to

1171
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:47,239
Speaker 3: succeeds in hospitality or in our company, Like a lot

1172
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:49,479
Speaker 3: of our staff are doing it because they're an actor

1173
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:51,880
Speaker 3: or they want to be on TV. So they kind of.

1174
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:54,520
Speaker 3: I don't expect them to commit themselves driven to to

1175
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:56,920
Speaker 3: make liquid later successful, but driven in their own right.

1176
00:51:57,360 --> 00:51:58,879
Speaker 3: People who want to want to get up in the morning,

1177
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:00,440
Speaker 3: they want to get stuck in their they want to

1178
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:06,160
Speaker 3: have a go. The second is respect, so obviously respect

1179
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:08,800
Speaker 3: for each other, respect for themselves, and respect for the

1180
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 3: business they work in. A big one for me is

1181
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:15,480
Speaker 3: growth mindset. So what I mean by that is we

1182
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:18,279
Speaker 3: all have mistakes, we will fuck up. It's about how

1183
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:20,279
Speaker 3: do you take the strengths and the polity away from

1184
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:22,279
Speaker 3: those mistakes and use that as a power tool to

1185
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:24,880
Speaker 3: grow rather than let it squash you and push you

1186
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 3: into the ground. So that's a big one for me.

1187
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:30,440
Speaker 3: It's growth mindset. Teamwork is another one, so making sure

1188
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:32,680
Speaker 3: we work as a team. We come from a sporting background.

1189
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 1: You do as well.

1190
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:35,360
Speaker 3: How important we bring us all of our sporting analogies

1191
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:37,880
Speaker 3: back into business. I think they're very similar. Sport business

1192
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:40,800
Speaker 3: very similar. And to play as a team, you have

1193
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:43,279
Speaker 3: your mates back to work next the person est to

1194
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 3: to put yourself out to make sure the person xt

1195
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:49,960
Speaker 3: youse is happy and successful. And one of the most

1196
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:52,320
Speaker 3: important ones for us is the desire to create an experience.

1197
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:53,480
Speaker 3: And I think I brought this up before.

1198
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:54,000
Speaker 1: That's five.

1199
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:58,320
Speaker 3: Yes, the desire to create an experience. So this is

1200
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:02,040
Speaker 3: something you can't be taught. This is something that it has.

1201
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:05,560
Speaker 3: It's within you and you get You get off by

1202
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 3: serving people, You get off by making other people happy.

1203
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:10,000
Speaker 2: Downs have it as a culture.

1204
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:12,960
Speaker 3: We talked about it without that you're not going to

1205
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:15,719
Speaker 3: make this industry because it's just not gonna happen. And

1206
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 3: that's that's the most and the key one I'm looking

1207
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:20,319
Speaker 3: for when it comes to to.

1208
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:24,000
Speaker 2: Our core values, and that was fire accountability, accountability which

1209
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 2: we hold ourselves to. If we say it, we'll do it.

1210
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:29,799
Speaker 2: We've always sort of between the two of us said

1211
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:32,239
Speaker 2: we've got a man triff. It was it complains to

1212
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 2: me about something, and I say, okay, he knows that

1213
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 2: means I will resolve it. And if I can't resolve it,

1214
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:40,359
Speaker 2: I will come back to you. It doesn't mean I'm

1215
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:42,440
Speaker 2: just going to ignore you. I don't think it's relevant.

1216
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:44,480
Speaker 3: But also we will suck up and own it like

1217
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:47,279
Speaker 3: a maot of mistake, Like let's move on a man

1218
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:48,040
Speaker 3: of mistake we've had.

1219
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:48,800
Speaker 1: We fix this problem.

1220
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:50,759
Speaker 3: Rather than trying to push the blame rather than trying

1221
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 3: to sort of pass the buck to somebody else or

1222
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:56,080
Speaker 3: defend your position correct, just own it, we resolve it.

1223
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:58,080
Speaker 1: We're not using a shit about how you can defend

1224
00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:01,719
Speaker 1: your position because we're in business and we're looking for

1225
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:04,960
Speaker 1: our politics. Well, it's going to be business about outcomes.

1226
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:08,080
Speaker 1: It's not about your own personal how you feel like.

1227
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:10,040
Speaker 1: You know, if you've done something wrong that's not within

1228
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:13,920
Speaker 1: the organization, not within the mantra, then it doesn't matter

1229
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:15,200
Speaker 1: if you if it's defensible.

1230
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:18,640
Speaker 3: And the most powerful thing about these core values is

1231
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:20,879
Speaker 3: we're out of stage now as a company, got close

1232
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:23,080
Speaker 3: to three hundred staff that because we live and breathe,

1233
00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:25,760
Speaker 3: we talk about these values, we and we manage against

1234
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:28,359
Speaker 3: these values. The people who work in our environment hold

1235
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:31,279
Speaker 3: these values. So when somebody comes into the environment that

1236
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:33,680
Speaker 3: doesn't hold those values, gives what they do. They are

1237
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 3: feel comfortable, so they leave, yeah, and that they self

1238
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:38,560
Speaker 3: select correct. And that is a lot of it's been

1239
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:40,000
Speaker 3: a lot of hard work to get to that stage,

1240
00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:43,120
Speaker 3: and it's a lot of constantly being consistent about what

1241
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:45,560
Speaker 3: we talk about. But now at the stages, they don't

1242
00:54:45,560 --> 00:54:47,080
Speaker 3: want to be part of this because that doesn't align

1243
00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:47,359
Speaker 3: with them.

1244
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:49,760
Speaker 1: So what's the final one, what's your new venture?

1245
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:54,399
Speaker 2: Look at one more after the Gidla. So just before

1246
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:57,120
Speaker 2: the Gidler we sold Burgoo and Wilhelminas. That's gone now

1247
00:54:57,840 --> 00:55:01,960
Speaker 2: and last year we opened our Offies, which is our

1248
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:07,040
Speaker 2: third and hopefully last kind of stake concept. But it's

1249
00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:09,359
Speaker 2: some Bli Street in that kind of area where there's

1250
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:10,800
Speaker 2: lots of other state restaurants in Sydney.

1251
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:14,160
Speaker 1: Oh. Yeah, it's around the corner for me. Yep, it's

1252
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:16,279
Speaker 1: just down from one of my officers there. I've got

1253
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:18,920
Speaker 1: one on Blin Street and office. It'll be a great officer. Ye,

1254
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:22,920
Speaker 1: just down the roads the back underneath the Yeah, is

1255
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:23,719
Speaker 1: that next to the gym?

1256
00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:24,680
Speaker 2: Yes, yes it is.

1257
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:26,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, I haven't been there. I walked past of you

1258
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:28,800
Speaker 1: because I was sure it was a breakfast place or

1259
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:31,080
Speaker 1: a dinner play lunch and dinner.

1260
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:34,040
Speaker 2: Right, Okay, you mentioned Surloin. You like it, So it's

1261
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:35,320
Speaker 2: only serving surloin.

1262
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:42,840
Speaker 1: It's kind of at a ball called sirloin, our ball sirloin.

1263
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:46,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the joke where the name comes from.

1264
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:46,759
Speaker 4: Right.

1265
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:53,160
Speaker 2: So we we looked at what we're offering across the

1266
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:56,879
Speaker 2: other venues and from an economy of scale point of view,

1267
00:55:56,960 --> 00:55:59,520
Speaker 2: we thought it makes sense for us to buy the

1268
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:06,480
Speaker 2: whole joint of the Beast and then agent ourselves for

1269
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:09,200
Speaker 2: six weeks so that we can ensure that we've got

1270
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:12,200
Speaker 2: the right quality and the right consistent supply. We had

1271
00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:15,000
Speaker 2: a lot of issues with the consistent supply of the

1272
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:17,920
Speaker 2: product because we're going through a Pasteco alone almost six

1273
00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:21,839
Speaker 2: hundred kilos of t bone a week, so it's quite substantial. Substantial,

1274
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:26,120
Speaker 2: so we looked for a space that we could incorporate

1275
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:28,600
Speaker 2: our own on side butchery that we could then get

1276
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:32,680
Speaker 2: bulk orders from our butcher agent, like was said, for

1277
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:36,440
Speaker 2: six weeks and then distribute off to Bisteco and the Gidley.

1278
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:38,080
Speaker 2: But in order to do that, we needed to have

1279
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:41,080
Speaker 2: a third restaurant that used the final part of the joint,

1280
00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:43,680
Speaker 2: which was the Serbine. So that's where Alfhis came into it.

1281
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:46,560
Speaker 2: But rather than just do another state restaurant that has

1282
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:50,720
Speaker 2: been done several times and now, the Gidli was probably

1283
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:54,680
Speaker 2: one of the earlier American style ones in Sydney. There's

1284
00:56:54,719 --> 00:56:56,360
Speaker 2: now quite a lot of them. We were sort of

1285
00:56:56,760 --> 00:57:01,040
Speaker 2: on that wave of steak brasseries in Sydney, so Alfie's

1286
00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:05,000
Speaker 2: is really pitched at the next generation of people working

1287
00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:09,360
Speaker 2: in the city. It's fast paced, it's loud, it's aimed

1288
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:12,080
Speaker 2: at a sort of lower price point. So rather than

1289
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:15,840
Speaker 2: come in and spend a healthy sum and stay for

1290
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:17,840
Speaker 2: two and a half three hours and not go back

1291
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:20,360
Speaker 2: to work, come into Alfie's. Stay will be on your

1292
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:23,320
Speaker 2: plate in fifteen minutes. You can be come for a

1293
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:25,200
Speaker 2: lunch break for forty five minutes to an hour and

1294
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:27,680
Speaker 2: go back to the office. You have an affordable but

1295
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:30,840
Speaker 2: great quality meal, you have a glass of wine, and

1296
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:33,280
Speaker 2: you're back to the office. So that's where Alfie's are.

1297
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:35,320
Speaker 1: Trying that because that's my go in and out.

1298
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:37,360
Speaker 3: And we have nine tons of beef in the core.

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Speaker 3: Back nine tons, I'll take you. We never run out

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00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:43,400
Speaker 3: of beef, hopefully not.

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00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:45,000
Speaker 2: So did you have anything else on the on the

1302
00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:49,919
Speaker 2: on the we have something opening in January next year. Yeah,

1303
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:53,720
Speaker 2: So we have tried to do something different this time,

1304
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:58,520
Speaker 2: and we've partnered with Toga Properties and TF Hotels who

1305
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:01,080
Speaker 2: have a new development out on the corner of Baptists

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00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:02,120
Speaker 2: and Cleveland Street.

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Speaker 1: Old Murder.

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00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:06,160
Speaker 2: We're not allowed to say that was on the corner

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00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:10,560
Speaker 2: where Bats Street Crown and Cleveland, Crown and Cleveland and

1310
00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:13,440
Speaker 2: then if you go dagoning across is Baptist Street. So

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00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:15,040
Speaker 2: there's a large development that's been going on.

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00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:20,840
Speaker 1: For it's on the edge of Surrey Hills. Is probably

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00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:23,280
Speaker 1: more address. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know the one. It's

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00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:25,200
Speaker 1: Spencer Simmons' development is that.

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00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:31,840
Speaker 2: Yes, So it's a mixed development. There's some retail, there's

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00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:36,080
Speaker 2: some residential ago and there's a hotel. And the hotel

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00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:38,800
Speaker 2: is going in is called the Eve. So it's run

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00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:42,760
Speaker 2: by TF as a hotel operator. It's they're the same

1319
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:45,560
Speaker 2: people that own, sorry, that run the Carlisle and Brisbane,

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00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:50,000
Speaker 2: so this is their equivalent in Sydney, and they acknowledged

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00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:52,880
Speaker 2: as a lot of hotel operators have done in Sydney retail.

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00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:56,560
Speaker 1: As I call it the color Little probably right because

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00:58:56,560 --> 00:58:59,000
Speaker 1: that's the name of the old man Calil.

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00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:06,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of hotel operators have acknowledged that they

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00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:09,000
Speaker 2: don't do F and B very well. They're about rooms

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00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:11,320
Speaker 2: and keys and service and functions and all the other

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00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:13,680
Speaker 2: things that goes with a hotel. So they've started to

1328
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:18,160
Speaker 2: farm out that to specialist operators. So when Tiger started looking,

1329
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:22,120
Speaker 2: they wanted someone that was quintessentially Sydney, that was born

1330
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:26,520
Speaker 2: and raised here, that had an established success rate in

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00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:30,240
Speaker 2: Sydney specifically. We went through quite a lengthy tender process

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00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:34,600
Speaker 2: which we won earlier this year, and so we're doing

1333
00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:37,600
Speaker 2: two venues as part of the hotel. There's also other

1334
00:59:37,640 --> 00:59:41,480
Speaker 2: restaurants going into this precinct, but we've got a European

1335
00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:44,360
Speaker 2: style bistro going into the lobby. So if you think

1336
00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:46,680
Speaker 2: about all the hotels you've stayed at in Europe or America,

1337
00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:50,080
Speaker 2: that quintessential lobby space that's got that buzz and that

1338
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:53,680
Speaker 2: energy about it. There's always people moving around. Maybe they're

1339
00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:55,800
Speaker 2: working on their laptop, maybe a couple of people are

1340
00:59:55,800 --> 00:59:58,760
Speaker 2: smashing Martiniz in the corner. You grab a quick bite

1341
00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:01,160
Speaker 2: to eat, or a play oys some champagne. It's kind

1342
01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:03,880
Speaker 2: of that mixed use space. So we've got that going in.

1343
01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:07,600
Speaker 2: And then on the rooftop they've got a beautiful rooftop

1344
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:12,560
Speaker 2: restaurant which is attached to the hotel's pool that we'll

1345
01:00:12,600 --> 01:00:15,400
Speaker 2: be doing in a contemporary Mexican around the rooftop so

1346
01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:19,160
Speaker 2: an all weather space, so in summer it can be

1347
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:21,280
Speaker 2: open and breezy, in winter it can be closed off

1348
01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:24,840
Speaker 2: and nice and warm and sheltered. It's kind of pushing

1349
01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:27,400
Speaker 2: the boat out a little bit. I think Sydney does

1350
01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:32,160
Speaker 2: text mes. Yeah, and that kind of elevated style of

1351
01:00:32,560 --> 01:00:35,760
Speaker 2: Mexican cuisine is starting to come in. What really drew

1352
01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:37,720
Speaker 2: us to it and we jumped on a plane and

1353
01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:40,120
Speaker 2: went to La and looked at all the offerings that

1354
01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:42,240
Speaker 2: they do there. They do rooftops pretty well.

1355
01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:42,760
Speaker 1: They sure do.

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01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:51,640
Speaker 3: Was the Peninsula, Yeah, great Mexican food, unbele Mexican.

1357
01:00:51,840 --> 01:00:52,000
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1358
01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:53,760
Speaker 2: All the ones we looked at they had a great

1359
01:00:53,840 --> 01:00:57,520
Speaker 2: piece of protein, They had some sort of garnish salad

1360
01:00:57,760 --> 01:01:01,000
Speaker 2: and a couple of sources, and it was fresh and iburn, exciting,

1361
01:01:01,080 --> 01:01:02,560
Speaker 2: and we're like, this is what we like to eat,

1362
01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:05,560
Speaker 2: this is what we do well. We do that protein

1363
01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:10,160
Speaker 2: and garnish, keeping it simple rather than pearls and swirls.

1364
01:01:10,280 --> 01:01:15,640
Speaker 2: That's our specialty. So let's do contemporary Mexican. And when

1365
01:01:15,640 --> 01:01:18,000
Speaker 2: you're sitting around a pool having a you know, a

1366
01:01:18,440 --> 01:01:20,960
Speaker 2: taco and a margarita sounds pretty good to me.

1367
01:01:22,040 --> 01:01:24,920
Speaker 3: Have you got names for these joints Lotti's on the rooftop, Well,

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01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:27,720
Speaker 3: it's called lotty Lotty Yeah, And Bardulous.

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01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:30,760
Speaker 2: Hello, double T l O double T I E which

1370
01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:34,480
Speaker 2: is not yet announced, just announced, so we're just breaking. Yeah,

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01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:39,080
Speaker 2: called bar Julius, bar Julius, bar Julius.

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01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:41,480
Speaker 1: Okay, I thought it was one with the bar Julius.

1373
01:01:41,480 --> 01:01:43,600
Speaker 1: That's cool. I like, that's a good name. Bar Julius.

1374
01:01:44,040 --> 01:01:48,480
Speaker 2: The precinct is named after the Wonderlitch brothers who used

1375
01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:50,840
Speaker 2: to own that block of land one hundred odd years ago,

1376
01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:55,200
Speaker 2: who were a couple of migrant merchant traders, and one

1377
01:01:55,240 --> 01:01:58,040
Speaker 2: of those brothers was Ernest Julius Wondering.

1378
01:01:58,080 --> 01:01:58,280
Speaker 1: Wow.

1379
01:01:58,360 --> 01:01:59,840
Speaker 2: So we weren't overly creative there.

1380
01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:01,440
Speaker 1: But it's a good name, bar Julius.

1381
01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:01,720
Speaker 4: I like it.

1382
01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:03,760
Speaker 2: No, it sticks the location.

1383
01:02:04,360 --> 01:02:05,920
Speaker 1: I'm better. I've not known the story behind it, but

1384
01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:08,360
Speaker 1: I think bar Julius is because that takes away from

1385
01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:09,200
Speaker 1: bar Julius. I think so.

1386
01:02:09,600 --> 01:02:11,240
Speaker 3: Most of our stories are just made up anyway for

1387
01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:14,560
Speaker 3: how he came up with the name, well, we do,

1388
01:02:14,840 --> 01:02:15,360
Speaker 3: but more.

1389
01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:16,960
Speaker 1: Names have a story behind it because we just make

1390
01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:20,440
Speaker 1: shu up. It's actually good names. It's memorable from my

1391
01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:22,959
Speaker 1: point of view, and lord, it's very good. Well, all guys,

1392
01:02:23,320 --> 01:02:26,400
Speaker 1: thanks for ertaining me, me and the audience for your

1393
01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:30,720
Speaker 1: journey bar Julius sounds really cool, Lotties does. I'm definitely

1394
01:02:30,720 --> 01:02:34,360
Speaker 1: going to go back to Bistecca because now I'm going

1395
01:02:34,440 --> 01:02:36,560
Speaker 1: to probably appreciate a little bit better because I worked it.

1396
01:02:36,640 --> 01:02:38,960
Speaker 1: Walked in there with a nark's head on that day.

1397
01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:40,760
Speaker 1: I remember it. I wasn't I didn't really want to go.

1398
01:02:41,720 --> 01:02:43,760
Speaker 1: I didn't feel like going. But I only reason it's

1399
01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:46,520
Speaker 1: because Jeff asking me is in my mate. It's not

1400
01:02:46,720 --> 01:02:48,160
Speaker 1: just not my thing normal. I don't want to drink

1401
01:02:48,200 --> 01:02:49,600
Speaker 1: wine during the day because I've got to go back

1402
01:02:49,600 --> 01:02:52,600
Speaker 1: to work basically, but I do remember her phone think

1403
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:57,080
Speaker 1: and and and I'm definitely going to try the Giddy

1404
01:02:57,320 --> 01:02:58,920
Speaker 1: by the way, the Gidli why do you call it

1405
01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:01,439
Speaker 1: gid because it wasn't named after Matthew Gidley who played

1406
01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:03,080
Speaker 1: for Newcastle. Now it wasn't.

1407
01:03:03,240 --> 01:03:05,520
Speaker 2: Again, It's one of these names that it sounds good

1408
01:03:05,560 --> 01:03:08,800
Speaker 2: but it doesn't really matter. But King Street, which we're

1409
01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:11,919
Speaker 2: located on, is named after Philip Gidley King, the third

1410
01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:13,360
Speaker 2: Governor of New South Wales.

1411
01:03:13,240 --> 01:03:15,480
Speaker 1: Right, who was a Teeto Loling as well.

1412
01:03:16,360 --> 01:03:21,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, which doesn't really but it does play into the

1413
01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:25,320
Speaker 2: where the extension of our team, which is our design team.

1414
01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:28,080
Speaker 2: We've used the same people to do the branding, the building,

1415
01:03:28,200 --> 01:03:32,320
Speaker 2: the design work several times where they get their inspiration from.

1416
01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:34,400
Speaker 2: So a lot of the fit out of the Gidley

1417
01:03:34,520 --> 01:03:37,240
Speaker 2: is taken from Philip Gidley. King had a property on

1418
01:03:37,320 --> 01:03:40,920
Speaker 2: Norfolk Island and he was into his floora and fauna.

1419
01:03:41,080 --> 01:03:44,120
Speaker 2: So a lot of the wallpaper is displaying native plants

1420
01:03:44,120 --> 01:03:46,600
Speaker 2: of Australia, so it kind of all ties in in

1421
01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:47,560
Speaker 2: a subtle way.

1422
01:03:48,760 --> 01:03:51,480
Speaker 1: Well, I will I will bring my own bottle of

1423
01:03:51,520 --> 01:03:55,520
Speaker 1: whiskey along to wherever I go, whichever was the first place. Actually,

1424
01:03:55,520 --> 01:03:57,880
Speaker 1: I think we've booked the Gidley I'm taking. We're going

1425
01:03:57,920 --> 01:03:58,760
Speaker 1: to be Chrisippoti there.

1426
01:03:58,760 --> 01:03:59,959
Speaker 2: I think this year so great.

1427
01:04:00,240 --> 01:04:01,800
Speaker 1: I will bring a bottle of my whiskey along too,

1428
01:04:01,800 --> 01:04:05,320
Speaker 1: and that'll be my gift to your establishment. And by

1429
01:04:05,320 --> 01:04:09,520
Speaker 1: the way, it did win again this year Austraight's best single. Note.

1430
01:04:10,040 --> 01:04:12,640
Speaker 1: I just thought, throw a little bit, a little bit

1431
01:04:12,640 --> 01:04:14,400
Speaker 1: of a thing because it is Christmas time coming up,

1432
01:04:14,440 --> 01:04:17,959
Speaker 1: and please buy and go to these guys restaurants. Guys,

1433
01:04:17,960 --> 01:04:21,560
Speaker 1: thanks very much, Jimmy, Thanks thank you, great Combot, really

1434
01:04:22,560 --> 01:04:23,480
Speaker 1: thank you very much. Thank you