1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,560 Speaker 1: This podcast was recorded on the land of the Gatigel 2 00:00:02,600 --> 00:00:08,960 Speaker 1: people of the Eur Nation. Hello and welcome to the 3 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:12,039 Speaker 1: Real Story with Joe Hildebrand. I'm Joe Hildebrand, and I 4 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 1: am totally real. I am so for real you just 5 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:16,079 Speaker 1: would not know how real it is. And this week 6 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:18,960 Speaker 1: we've got an absolutely huge episode for you, a very 7 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:22,240 Speaker 1: special guest I'll talk to very shortly, and we're going 8 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 1: to get to the bottom of what actually went wrong 9 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:29,680 Speaker 1: with the Democrats campaign to just hold the thing they 10 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 1: were given. They were already in the White House. Kamala 11 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:34,879 Speaker 1: Harris gets given the presidency on a plate and yet 12 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:37,479 Speaker 1: somehow manages to drop that plate and spill everything on 13 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:39,279 Speaker 1: it at her feet. And now Donald Trump, of course 14 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:41,199 Speaker 1: there's one on a landslide. And I know that you 15 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:43,239 Speaker 1: can't get enough of the Donald, love him or hate him, 16 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 1: We cannot get enough of him. So I'm going to 17 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 1: tell you what went wrong over there and why it's 18 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:52,199 Speaker 1: exactly like something that just went wrong over here. And 19 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 1: this is what it's going to mean for the Democrats, 20 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:56,160 Speaker 1: and this is what it is going to mean for 21 00:00:56,360 --> 00:01:00,960 Speaker 1: the Australian Labor Party. Right here in Australia. Anthony Alberaneze's 22 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 1: Prime ministership depends on this. Make no mistake, and I'll 23 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 1: tell you exactly why very shortly. Plus what's going on 24 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 1: with our man Albow, Our man Albow in the ambassadorial 25 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:16,760 Speaker 1: residence in Washington, d C. Few nasty little tweets, a 26 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 1: few nasty little comments. I was shocked personally. I did 27 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 1: not know that Kevin Rudd had a mean streak. Did 28 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 1: you no? Seemed like a nice guy to meet, We 29 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 1: were besties. Did you know that I used to kind 30 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:28,679 Speaker 1: of be, as you know, his right hand man's kind 31 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 1: of PI guy Robin to his batman. But I'll tell 32 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 1: you everything about why Kevin Rudd a kind of made 33 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:38,560 Speaker 1: those mean comments in the first place. But more importantly, 34 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 1: is he going to last as Australia's ambassador to the 35 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:46,040 Speaker 1: United States. This is the most important diplomatic role in 36 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 1: the country and it's no surprise that it goes to 37 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 1: a former prime minister. You know that when you go 38 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:55,560 Speaker 1: to from prime minister, the next job up is US ambassador. 39 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 1: That's a pretty important job. But he could get recalled 40 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 1: because of these mean comments is made about Donald Trump 41 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 1: in the first place, calling him the most dangerous president 42 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:09,680 Speaker 1: history and village idiot. More and more keep coming to 43 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:13,240 Speaker 1: the surface. But I do not think he will be recalled, 44 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 1: and I'll tell you why just after this. Plus the 45 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:21,240 Speaker 1: character in a children's book that's getting everyone outraged so 46 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 1: much so that the author, a famous celebrity chef, has 47 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:28,120 Speaker 1: had to apologize. So what is the outrage actually all 48 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 1: about it? Has he done anything wrong? And what is 49 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:33,360 Speaker 1: it that we actually should be outraged about that nobody 50 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:36,960 Speaker 1: who's outraged even knows is happening. We'll get to that 51 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:39,919 Speaker 1: with our very special guest. I guarantee you will love her. 52 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 1: So first up this week, I'm going to take you 53 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 1: through a scenario, and it might sound very familiar to you. First, 54 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 1: you've got a worthy cause, a cause that everyone you 55 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 1: know thinks is an absolute no brainers, something that should happen. 56 00:02:57,160 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 1: It's the decent thing to happen. It's the right thing 57 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:01,239 Speaker 1: to happen. It's a four gone conclusion, if you will, 58 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 1: for anyone who's smart and compassionate in this year crazy world. 59 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 1: Then you've got a huge political advantage. You've got hundreds 60 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:11,240 Speaker 1: of millions of dollars being thrown at it. You've got 61 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 1: basically all the kind of cultural and community leaders that 62 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:16,639 Speaker 1: matter on board. You've got all the sort of corporate 63 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 1: leaders on board. They're throwing money at it too, they're 64 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 1: throwing their support behind it. Somehow, you still manage to 65 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 1: fuck it up. Somehow you get all that advantage. You're 66 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 1: ahead in the polls, you've got the hundreds of millions 67 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:30,920 Speaker 1: of dollars, you've got all the top high profile people 68 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 1: on your side, you've got celebrity endorsements coming out the wazoo, 69 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 1: But you still manage to screw the pooch. How does 70 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 1: this happen? Well, you might think I'm talking about the 71 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 1: twenty twenty four Democratic election campaign for the US presidency 72 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 1: and also the Senate and also the Congress, and also 73 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 1: the popular vote and most of the governatorial votes that 74 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 1: they also lost. But it also perfectly describes the referendum 75 00:03:56,160 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 1: we had in twenty twenty three in Australia, the Voice referendum. 76 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:05,840 Speaker 1: And this was something that was just absolutely heartbreaking to watch. 77 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 1: It was devastating to watch. I was, of course on 78 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 1: the side of the Voice. I supported it, I was 79 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 1: outspoken in favor of it, and yet at the same 80 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:16,839 Speaker 1: time I could just see the people in charge of 81 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:20,919 Speaker 1: the campaign just slowly but surely, inevitably, as though it 82 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 1: was almost pre programmed, just screwing it up, just grinding 83 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 1: it into the ground. And how did this happen? Well, 84 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:29,679 Speaker 1: there are a number of factors and they were both 85 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:35,800 Speaker 1: completely analogous to what was happening in the US. So firstly, 86 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:38,559 Speaker 1: you get this worthy cause, right, you get this cause 87 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 1: that you think and everyone you know at all the 88 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 1: dinner parties you go to is an absolute no brainer. 89 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 1: It's almost it's almost a consensus. You know, you have 90 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 1: an indigenous voice to Parliament and you know, of course 91 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:52,280 Speaker 1: everyone's going to support that. How could you? You know, 92 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:55,160 Speaker 1: I've been here for two and a half centuries. Things 93 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 1: haven't gone too well for the First Nations people. We 94 00:04:58,200 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 1: tried to sort of fix it. We tried to fix 95 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 1: the problems we helped create. Nothing was working. Why don't 96 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 1: we ask them, Why don't we ask them what's going 97 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:07,400 Speaker 1: to work? And if they come up with a solution, 98 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:09,920 Speaker 1: we don't have to do it. We don't have to 99 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:11,800 Speaker 1: do anything. We just have to listen to it. We 100 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:13,480 Speaker 1: think it sounds all right, we can do it. If 101 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 1: it works great. If it doesn't, well we can try 102 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 1: something else or they can come up with another solution. 103 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:20,040 Speaker 1: Seem pretty simple to me, non binding, get out of 104 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 1: jail free. But no, because instead of a sitting down 105 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 1: and thinking, well, maybe there's some other people out there 106 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 1: who don't think this is a good idea, I just went, nah, 107 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:32,279 Speaker 1: we're just going to do it. So just as the 108 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 1: Democrats thought, well, if you vote for Donald Trump, no 109 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:36,680 Speaker 1: one's actually really voting for Donald Trump, aren't they. No 110 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:39,280 Speaker 1: one actually really likes this guy. Everyone I hang out with, 111 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 1: I watch MSNBC and CNN, no one likes Donald Trump 112 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 1: except those crazy Fox newspeople. And it was a bit 113 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:48,359 Speaker 1: the same with the voice. Well, everyone's in favor of 114 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:51,040 Speaker 1: the voice, aren't they. I mean, no one could oppose 115 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:52,919 Speaker 1: the voice. The libs will have to back it otherwise 116 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:55,120 Speaker 1: everyone will hate them. Now I wants to post the voice. 117 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:56,840 Speaker 1: It's a fantast Everyone I speak too likes the voice, 118 00:05:56,880 --> 00:05:59,479 Speaker 1: except of course those crazy Sky News After Dark people. 119 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:01,839 Speaker 1: But no one to them, do they just in a price, 120 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 1: No one's going to listen to her, she's and so 121 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 1: the first mistake that they make, and again keep in mind, 122 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:11,559 Speaker 1: these are all fatal mistakes. These are all probably fatal 123 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:14,039 Speaker 1: mistakes on their own combined, they are a sort of 124 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 1: extinction level event. But so they write off anyone who 125 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 1: might disagree as being just a nutter just out there. 126 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 1: You know, if Peter Dutton does this, he'll sign his 127 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:25,159 Speaker 1: own death baran And I was one of those people 128 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:28,160 Speaker 1: who at first thought maybe that was the case. Again, 129 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:30,280 Speaker 1: it's very easy to get swept up in these things. 130 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 1: I thought, well, Peter Dutton does this, there's no ways 131 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:35,159 Speaker 1: getting any of those till seats back. And you know, 132 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:37,320 Speaker 1: the Labor government was riding high in the polls at 133 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:41,039 Speaker 1: the time. Thought that's it. Maybe How's just actually written 134 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:44,279 Speaker 1: himself out of the race. But of course that wasn't 135 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:47,599 Speaker 1: the case. As Peter Dutton, and especially as Warren Mundine 136 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 1: and just Into Price built up more and more momentum 137 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:53,040 Speaker 1: their communication skills with puncher. From many cases, these were 138 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 1: the first sort of community leaders that a lot of 139 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:58,920 Speaker 1: people had seen, the first indigenous community spokespeople that a 140 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 1: lot of people had seen. These guys are really articulate, 141 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 1: they're charismatic, they're punching their lines and they're saying the 142 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 1: voice is a terrible idea. So the first thing they 143 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:08,160 Speaker 1: did was just wrote off their opposition. Think anyone who 144 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 1: opposes this, you know, has automatically written themselves out of 145 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 1: the game. But of course that doesn't happen. These people 146 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 1: start to get louder and louder, and so then what 147 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 1: do you do, Then you just start abusing them. So 148 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 1: then instead of actually saying and again this is exactly 149 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 1: what happened in both cases, did the Democrats actually think, 150 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 1: all right, what is actually forcing people or making people 151 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 1: vote for Donald Trump? Is it they want? What's going 152 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 1: wrong in their lives? What is it that they don't like. 153 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 1: It's pretty obvious now what they don't like. They don't 154 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 1: like people from outside America coming in and taking their jobs. 155 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 1: And you know who doesn't like it the most, the 156 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 1: most vulnerable, low skilled, low paid workers. That's why so 157 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 1: many Hispanics turned on Karmala Harras when she thought she 158 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 1: had them in the bag on the base of their 159 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 1: skin color. That's what you get for being what the 160 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 1: French call a rassist. Anyway, So the first thing they 161 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 1: did is not actually listen to the people and listen 162 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 1: to the people who were opposing themsumed that they were 163 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 1: order just to write off. But then when those people 164 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 1: did start to say, hang on a minute. Yeah, we're 165 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 1: not too sure about that. Firstly, it was the people 166 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 1: within the actual Voice campaign, the moderate people within the 167 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 1: Voice company said, you know what, if we just keep 168 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 1: adding more and more stuff into this, which is what 169 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 1: they were doing, which is beyond the proposal that was 170 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 1: already put forward and agreed upon, We're not going to win. 171 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 1: We're we're moving away from consensus, not towards it, and 172 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 1: we're going to drive people on the fence. Moderate liberals 173 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:28,360 Speaker 1: who might have helped bring people over, we're going to 174 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 1: drive them away. And these people were called Bedweathers and 175 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 1: belly acres said these are traitors to the cause. And 176 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:40,320 Speaker 1: so these people actually within the campaign were accused by 177 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:42,839 Speaker 1: those or some of those at least in charge of 178 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 1: the campaign. I don't want to name. There's a lot 179 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 1: of people I really love and admire, but we're saying 180 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 1: really stupid stuff. We're basically having a civil war before 181 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:54,320 Speaker 1: the campaign had ever really probably begun against anyone who 182 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 1: was trying to take a more moderate and conciliatory positions. 183 00:08:56,640 --> 00:08:58,960 Speaker 1: Say hey, if we just compromise, maybe we can get 184 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 1: Peter Dutton on board, maybe we can get more conservatives 185 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 1: on body. Say nah, screw them, We're going for it. 186 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:06,680 Speaker 1: We'll carry it through. Look, we're on sixty percent. Everything's fine. 187 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 1: And again, the same complacency that infected the Democrats infected 188 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 1: this campaign for what could have been this incredible landmark reform. 189 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 1: So that happened. But then you've got people out there 190 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:20,240 Speaker 1: in the community on the fence. You don't know much 191 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 1: about it. We're being told that maybe the Voice is 192 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 1: a racially divisive program or whatever, maybe it's not going 193 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 1: to be in their interests, or maybe it's just a 194 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:30,199 Speaker 1: distraction from the cost of living crisis that everyone's going through. 195 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:33,440 Speaker 1: And so what do the campaigners do then? Do they say, hey, listen, 196 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:36,200 Speaker 1: we know this isn't the most important thing in the 197 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 1: world for you. Right now, you're struggling to put food 198 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:39,839 Speaker 1: on the table, and this is an issue that you 199 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 1: probably don't really care or that much about, not going 200 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:43,199 Speaker 1: to affect you. No, they say, this is the most 201 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 1: important thing in the world, and we have to do it. 202 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:46,840 Speaker 1: We have to do it because you're guilty, and you're 203 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 1: responsible for the colonialism of your forefathers and your four 204 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 1: fathers and your four fathers forefathers, and that's why you 205 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 1: have to do it to write this historical wrong. This 206 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 1: is incredible because now white Australia has a black history 207 00:09:56,960 --> 00:09:59,200 Speaker 1: and we have to fix that now, otherwise we'll never 208 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 1: be able to sleep at night. Right, this guy's going, 209 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:03,600 Speaker 1: what are you talking about? My parents came out from Lebanon. 210 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 1: I'm not responsible for all this. I'm just trying to 211 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 1: I'm just trying to feed my family. And again, these 212 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:13,560 Speaker 1: people are not speaking the language of the people who 213 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 1: ended up crueling their dreams, shattering their their hopes and ambitions, 214 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 1: destroying what they thought was the status quo. Exactly what 215 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:24,960 Speaker 1: happened in America. All these people were saying, Hey, don't worry, 216 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 1: it's Kamala Harris here. We've got joy. There's all these 217 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:30,680 Speaker 1: people living in trailer parks in Middle America. You know, 218 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 1: kids run off with a handful of fentanyl. They're saying, 219 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:36,440 Speaker 1: what joy? What joy are you talking about. I've got 220 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:38,319 Speaker 1: to go out tonight and work a second shift and 221 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:41,960 Speaker 1: a second job just to pay the rent. There's no 222 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 1: joy here. Don't care what Oprah Winfrey says. But all 223 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 1: this stuff is really important to people on Instagram, doesn't 224 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 1: matter to people in the real world. So again, these 225 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 1: campaigns just keep going and going and going, and they 226 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:56,560 Speaker 1: keep crushing themselves and crushing themselves, and they become so 227 00:10:57,480 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 1: obsessed with their own virtue, so obsessed with their own righteousness, 228 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 1: and then they get a bit anxious that suddenly everyone's 229 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 1: not on board after all, even though everyone they know 230 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 1: is on books, they haven't been listening to or talking 231 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:09,600 Speaker 1: to anyone who's actually out there in the community and 232 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 1: not already on board, And so then they start to 233 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:14,960 Speaker 1: get delusional. And then you say, all right, well, everyone 234 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:17,439 Speaker 1: who disagrees with me is a fascist or a racist. 235 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 1: And where does this get you? It gets you exactly 236 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 1: where we are, which is with Donald Trump, the clean 237 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:27,080 Speaker 1: sweet in the White House. Republicans have control of both 238 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:29,320 Speaker 1: the House of Representatives and the Senate, and he's won 239 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 1: the popular vote, so you can't even say that the 240 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:34,680 Speaker 1: Democrats won the will of the people. But because the 241 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 1: electoral college system is rigged, then Donald Trump got it. 242 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 1: And of course I forgot the most important part of 243 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 1: any campaign. When you're about to lose, just roll out 244 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 1: as many celebrity endorsements as you can. Working people. Ill 245 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:48,480 Speaker 1: tell you what, hard working people slugging their guts out 246 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:50,960 Speaker 1: just to put food on the table. They love it 247 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:53,400 Speaker 1: when celebrities tell them what to do. They really do. 248 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 1: They love just being told what to do by millionaire 249 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 1: celebrities who drive around in Hummers and Lamborghinis and live 250 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 1: in giant man The only thing they love more than 251 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:05,200 Speaker 1: that is being told they're racist or they're stupid by 252 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 1: I said, celebrities. They just love it. They love being 253 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 1: told that they're ignorant. The good news is that it 254 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:12,880 Speaker 1: appears both the Democrats and the Labor Party are learning 255 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 1: their lesson. And Nate Silva, one of the very very 256 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 1: very few polsters who kind of picked the election pretty 257 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:22,240 Speaker 1: much about right. It went even more to Donald Trump 258 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 1: than he was predicting. But you know, he's come out 259 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 1: and he said, the Democrats are saying they are not 260 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 1: going to touch any woke stuff anymore with a barge pole. 261 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:32,640 Speaker 1: This is the end of identity politics. No more judging 262 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:34,319 Speaker 1: people by the color of their skin and assuming they're 263 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 1: going to act because they're from a certain ethnistic because 264 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 1: guess what, that's racist. And no more being obsessed with 265 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:43,560 Speaker 1: these sort of ideological issues the left are obsessed with, 266 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 1: which have no meaning whatsoever for ordinary people. The vast 267 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 1: majority of people, and which make ordinary people think that 268 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 1: the left or the elites don't atually take care of them, 269 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:54,600 Speaker 1: because that's a big problem when the Left is meant 270 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 1: to be the party of the ordinary people, the movement 271 00:12:57,280 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 1: that actually supports workers, and the workers themselves saying we 272 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 1: have no idea what you're talking about, and either we 273 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:03,960 Speaker 1: don't like it, or it just means you don't know 274 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:06,160 Speaker 1: what we're going through. And that's the exact same thing 275 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 1: that the Labor Party is doing here in Australia. They're 276 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 1: not touching. The voice is absolutely the boten. No one 277 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 1: is even mentioning. It is the form of love that 278 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:18,719 Speaker 1: dare not speak its name, you know, the ex that 279 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:20,760 Speaker 1: won't stop calling, but you don't pick up the phone. 280 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 1: And they're just going cost of living, cost of living, 281 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:25,000 Speaker 1: cost of living, cost of living, cost of living, and said, 282 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:26,839 Speaker 1: but how about that voice campaign you did last year? 283 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:28,680 Speaker 1: Cost of living, cost of living, cost of living, constant living. 284 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 1: I can't hear you, but the voice of voice, I 285 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:32,559 Speaker 1: can't hear cost of living, constant living, cost of living. 286 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 1: So maybe finally the parties of the workers in the 287 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:39,199 Speaker 1: US and the part of the workers in Australia will 288 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:48,920 Speaker 1: actually finally start representing the workers once more. And while 289 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:51,520 Speaker 1: we're speaking of the Labor Party, which is frankly all 290 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:53,560 Speaker 1: I ever do is speak about so thank god they're 291 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 1: in government and it is actually relevant to people's lives. 292 00:13:56,160 --> 00:14:00,120 Speaker 1: What are we going to do about our ambassador to 293 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:04,600 Speaker 1: the United States, As Lionel Schreiver once famously said in 294 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 1: a book of the same name, we need to talk 295 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 1: about Kevin Kevin Rudd is there. The main reason because 296 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 1: he's a super foreign policy nerd, of course, famously former 297 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:17,080 Speaker 1: foreign minister from passing spokesman, a former trying to diplomat himself. 298 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 1: He's got a brilliant brain. Just ask him, he'll tell you, 299 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 1: and he's you know, he's obviously, you know, if anything, 300 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 1: overqualified for the position. He's been Prime Minister of Australia, 301 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 1: not once, but twice. I mean, that's got to be 302 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 1: good for the CV. Right. Didn't look so good when 303 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 1: we were experiencing it here at home, but on payper 304 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:38,960 Speaker 1: that looks fantastic, you know, got the double So he's 305 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:42,080 Speaker 1: been sent over to the US. There was one other 306 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:46,440 Speaker 1: minor reason that Kevin Rudd was sent there to be 307 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:49,840 Speaker 1: Australia's top diplomat. And that's because he wouldn't shut up. 308 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 1: He won't stop tweeting, won't stop banging on one, stop 309 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 1: calling for a Murdock royal commission, when didn't stop having 310 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 1: a go with all his former and he is settling 311 00:14:57,520 --> 00:15:00,360 Speaker 1: all his scores. And again, one of those people, it's 312 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 1: everyone else's fault. It's not my fault. It was the 313 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 1: entire Labor Party's fault. It's not my fault, it's the 314 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 1: entire country's fault. It's not my fault. Oh, it's Rupert 315 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 1: Murdock's faults. Everyone's fault except Kevin's very important to know. 316 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:15,280 Speaker 1: And so he said a few mean things about Donald 317 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:19,480 Speaker 1: Trump when he was free and easy and didn't realize 318 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:22,560 Speaker 1: he was about to be Australia's number one guy in 319 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 1: Washington who would have to deal with America's number one 320 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:29,240 Speaker 1: guy in Washington, who is Donald Trump, And so he 321 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:32,280 Speaker 1: said he was the village idiot. In the most recent revelation, 322 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:35,600 Speaker 1: he called him dangerous and destructive, all the usual stuff. 323 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 1: And again, pretty much everybody has said this about Donald 324 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 1: Trump at one point in their lives. I mean, Donald 325 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 1: Trump's own vice president has said bad stuff about Donald 326 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 1: Trump and Donald seems to be okay with that. Other people, however, 327 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:51,440 Speaker 1: like say Nicky Haley or Mike Pompeio, they said some 328 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:55,040 Speaker 1: kind of not quite nice stuff about Donald Trump, and 329 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 1: he's freezing them out, He's putting them in the freezer. 330 00:15:57,080 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 1: But by and large Donald can be quite forgiving. There's 331 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:03,000 Speaker 1: a lot of people though I said, no, this is untenable. 332 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:06,840 Speaker 1: Kevin Rudd can't stay on. His Ambassador Anthony Alberaneze has 333 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 1: got to recall him, got to bring him back. This 334 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:12,440 Speaker 1: it's terrible. I don't think our by will and I 335 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:15,800 Speaker 1: will tell you why. The reasons go back to that 336 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 1: very febrile and highly charged moment where Kevin Rudd was 337 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:24,000 Speaker 1: the Prime Minister of Australia not once but twice. And 338 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:28,000 Speaker 1: in this scenario, Anthony Albaneze it was one of the 339 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:33,720 Speaker 1: very few high profile senior supporters of Kevin Rudd who 340 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:37,160 Speaker 1: did not waiver, who actually supported him through thick and thin, 341 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 1: who supported Kevin Rudd in his doomed bid to hold 342 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 1: on to the leadership in twenty ten when Julia Gillard 343 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:48,640 Speaker 1: first rolled him and supported him throughout the wilderness years, 344 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 1: and he did the honorable thing he said to Juli Gillard. 345 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 1: I supported Kevin Rudd. Here is my resignation. If you 346 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 1: want it, I'm prepared to fall on my sword. I 347 00:16:56,160 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 1: know the rules of politics, I know the rules of war. 348 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 1: Julia Gillard, to her great credit, No, you're a senior minister, 349 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:03,880 Speaker 1: You're a great asset. We want you to stay on. 350 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:08,480 Speaker 1: But Alba remained loyal to Rudd throughout. He did not 351 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:11,520 Speaker 1: publicly criticize Julia Gillard, but he just sort of sat 352 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:15,840 Speaker 1: on Rudd's side of the ledger. And indeed, when Rudd 353 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:18,960 Speaker 1: eventually came back after a few abortive coups, some of 354 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 1: which Rudd wasn't even involved in, believe it or not, 355 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:23,639 Speaker 1: he just sort of laid the land mines on the 356 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:25,480 Speaker 1: ground and then if they went off, oh well, so 357 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:27,440 Speaker 1: much the bad. Oh look, cyber Crean stepped on one. 358 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:31,800 Speaker 1: And when Rudd eventually did come back to the leadership, 359 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 1: he made Anthony Albanezi the deputy prime minister, which is 360 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:39,080 Speaker 1: pretty sweet. Who doesn't love being deputy prime minister. So 361 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:42,760 Speaker 1: these are people who are forged in blood. These are 362 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:44,720 Speaker 1: people who have been in the trenches together. They have 363 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:49,040 Speaker 1: tasted victory, they have tasted defeat, and if there's one 364 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:56,439 Speaker 1: thing you can say about Albo. He is very, very disturbingly, worryingly, concerningly, 365 00:17:57,200 --> 00:18:02,160 Speaker 1: perhaps even self destructively loyal. He's a good mate. He's 366 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 1: a good guy. If he's on your side, he sticks 367 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:06,359 Speaker 1: by you. If you're on his way, if you look 368 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 1: after him, he looks after you. And he does this 369 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:11,480 Speaker 1: often to his own detriment. He did it to Andrew Giles. 370 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 1: Andrew Giles probably the most hapless immigration minister we have 371 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:19,639 Speaker 1: ever had. I don't think that's necessarily an overstatement. Just 372 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 1: didn't seem to really know what he was doing, didn't 373 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 1: really seem to sort of do anything. And then, of 374 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:27,920 Speaker 1: course eventually he had to be shafted out of that portfolio, 375 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:32,159 Speaker 1: but not until the government had copped body blow after bodyblow, 376 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:34,600 Speaker 1: Like we're talking a hail of slings and arrows of 377 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:37,520 Speaker 1: justice and injustice being hurled at them, and Albow stuck 378 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:40,800 Speaker 1: by him. Why because Albo's his mate. Albo sticks by 379 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:46,520 Speaker 1: his mate. So Albo's big problem is he's a nice guy. 380 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:48,520 Speaker 1: He's a good guy. And he's even a nice guy 381 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:51,440 Speaker 1: and a good guy to people like Kevin Rudd, who, 382 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:54,920 Speaker 1: notwithstanding his towering intellect, I hate to tell you isn't 383 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:57,800 Speaker 1: always that nice a guy. Sometimes Kevin Rudd can be 384 00:18:57,840 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 1: a bit mean. That's kind of why he was booted 385 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:03,440 Speaker 1: from the Prime ministership in the first place and didn't 386 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:06,399 Speaker 1: seem to learn his lesson. So I think Anthony Aberne 387 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 1: is going to keep him there for that reason. Another reason, 388 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:11,080 Speaker 1: of course, is this weird thing in politics where you've 389 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:12,680 Speaker 1: got to sort of thread the needle. There's one rule 390 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:15,800 Speaker 1: if there's something that's gone wrong, this is Richo's great rule. 391 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:18,159 Speaker 1: If there's something that's gone wrong, you own up to 392 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:21,680 Speaker 1: it immediately, you apologize for it immediately, and you act 393 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:23,879 Speaker 1: on it immediately, and you fix it. And so you 394 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:27,359 Speaker 1: just jump on the grenade and you say, right, yes, 395 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:31,280 Speaker 1: that's terrible. Whoever's going to, you know, pay for it, 396 00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:32,960 Speaker 1: is going to pay for it. So there you go, 397 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:34,560 Speaker 1: walk you out the back, built in the back of 398 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:37,439 Speaker 1: the head. Terribly sorry everybody. We've taken care of it. 399 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:40,800 Speaker 1: We've held whoever is responsible to account. It will never 400 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:43,400 Speaker 1: happen again because we've fixed it. Nothing to see here, 401 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:45,800 Speaker 1: Thanks very much for your time. That's what Peter Betty 402 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:49,000 Speaker 1: did very effectively in Queensland. He was the best premier, 403 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:52,399 Speaker 1: best politician and apologizing, and every time he apologized, his 404 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:54,600 Speaker 1: stock seemed to go up. There was a very famous 405 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 1: apocryphal story of John F. Kennedy, the President of the 406 00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:00,719 Speaker 1: United States, after the Bay of Pigs, when the CIO 407 00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:04,719 Speaker 1: decided to invade Cuba, one of the biggest disasters in 408 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:09,600 Speaker 1: foreign and military policy in the United States history, absolutely disastrous, 409 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:13,879 Speaker 1: and JFK came out, so the story goes, said, yes, 410 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:17,080 Speaker 1: that was us. Terribly sorry, terribly sorry to all the 411 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:19,560 Speaker 1: Cuban nationals, we said over there who got captured and 412 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:23,480 Speaker 1: never coming back, even if they're still alive. Terribly sorry. 413 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 1: We had our fingerprints all over it. Yep, that was awful. 414 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:29,440 Speaker 1: Won't happen again. And his approval ratings went through the roof, 415 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 1: and the legend has it he turned to his advisors 416 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:34,480 Speaker 1: and said, Wow, you've got to tell me to fuck 417 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 1: up more often. And this is one school thought. There 418 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:41,440 Speaker 1: is another school thought, however, which is that if you've 419 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 1: done something that isn't quite necessarily a complete and utter disaster, 420 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 1: if you overreact to it and pretend that it is, 421 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:53,359 Speaker 1: or if you try to, I suppose, smash that walnut 422 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:56,400 Speaker 1: with a sledgehammer, then it could make it look worse 423 00:20:56,400 --> 00:21:00,800 Speaker 1: than it actually is. So if everybody goes really, really quiet, 424 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:03,480 Speaker 1: if Kevin Rudd just quietly goes and deletes all those 425 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:07,040 Speaker 1: mean tweets which he has done, believe no one's gonna 426 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:09,440 Speaker 1: remember that, are they? No? No? No. And then there 427 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:11,480 Speaker 1: was that webinar where he called Trump the village idiot. Oh, 428 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:13,199 Speaker 1: can we call that Indian MP and see if he 429 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:16,320 Speaker 1: can delete the video? Oh, it's online on the computer. 430 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 1: What the what's the internet anyway? So he seems to 431 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 1: think he just so smooth it over and say, hey, 432 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:24,320 Speaker 1: there's nothing to see. So if the ambassador isn't sacked 433 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 1: or recalled, then by definition, it's not a sackable offense. 434 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:31,480 Speaker 1: And if it's not a sackable offense, then it can't 435 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:34,720 Speaker 1: be that bad. So Anthony Albanezi is hoping that by 436 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:39,640 Speaker 1: not treating the matter as serious, then other people won't 437 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:43,679 Speaker 1: treat the matter as serious either. Will that work, I 438 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:46,399 Speaker 1: don't know, But if it doesn't, Kevin Rud's going to 439 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:49,760 Speaker 1: have to learn his first sport after handball, and it's 440 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:53,000 Speaker 1: gonna have to be golf. The good news is he 441 00:21:53,080 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 1: only has to learn how to lose at it. Now, 442 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:04,000 Speaker 1: there are some so called stories that just make my 443 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 1: head hurt. I just read it and I go, sorry, 444 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:08,600 Speaker 1: you're upset about what you're angry about. Hang on a minute. 445 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:09,800 Speaker 1: Maybe if I hold it up to the light note, 446 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:11,680 Speaker 1: and maybe if I don't read it back No, maybe 447 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 1: if I play Sergeant Pepper backwards and it makes sense. No, 448 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:19,160 Speaker 1: it doesn't. This is the outrage over and bear with 449 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:23,200 Speaker 1: me here. This is the outrage over a children's book 450 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 1: that Jamie Oliver wrote that had a character in it 451 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:31,600 Speaker 1: who happened to be an Indigenous girl in foster care. 452 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:38,000 Speaker 1: And this was outrageous or upsetting because maybe it had 453 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:40,440 Speaker 1: something to do with the Stolen Generation, even though Jamie 454 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:44,480 Speaker 1: Oliver didn't know anything about the Stolen Generation, or maybe 455 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:47,719 Speaker 1: he should have asked for permission before putting an Indigenous 456 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:49,960 Speaker 1: character in a children's book. And so he comes out 457 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:51,680 Speaker 1: here for something completely different, and then he has to 458 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:55,639 Speaker 1: apologize for having this character in a children's book because 459 00:22:56,600 --> 00:23:00,440 Speaker 1: I don't know why. And the weird thing is there's 460 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:03,879 Speaker 1: always just an exquisite irony in these things. The weird 461 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:06,959 Speaker 1: thing is that all this outrage was going on at 462 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 1: the exact same time that there was a huge nationwide 463 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:15,280 Speaker 1: summit to try to get thousands of kids in foster 464 00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 1: care into permanent homes. Tens of thousands of kids all 465 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:22,600 Speaker 1: over the country in foster get into permanent homes. Massive 466 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:25,240 Speaker 1: summing and did not get any coverage. No, we're all 467 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:30,320 Speaker 1: too busy talking about Jamie Oliver's Triggering children's book, which 468 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:33,199 Speaker 1: quite frankly, I had never heard of until there was 469 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:36,919 Speaker 1: a whole bunch of outrage about it. And my next 470 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 1: guest is an absolute superstar in this area. She is 471 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 1: a writer, she's an actor, and she joins me on 472 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 1: the show right now, Zylvia Emerson. Welcome to the real Story. 473 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 1: How are you. I'm well. 474 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:50,840 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me. 475 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:53,760 Speaker 1: It is an absolute pleasure. We've known each other for years. 476 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 1: I love you, I love your work. You're a superstar. 477 00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:59,840 Speaker 1: But despite that kind of pantheon of achievement that I've 478 00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:02,960 Speaker 1: just outlined, the most important thing about you, I guess 479 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:05,919 Speaker 1: the most defining thing about you is that you yourself 480 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 1: were adopted. You came from Ethiopia to Australia for a 481 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:14,840 Speaker 1: new start. This is obviously what was considered your best 482 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:17,120 Speaker 1: chance at the best start in life, and by god, 483 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:19,720 Speaker 1: it's gone pretty well. So far. Firstly, tell us a 484 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:21,720 Speaker 1: little bit about your life story and how he came 485 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:22,800 Speaker 1: to be here. Yeah. 486 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:25,560 Speaker 2: So I was adopted from Ethiopia at the age of 487 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:28,679 Speaker 2: five months, and I actually found out the story of 488 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,800 Speaker 2: my parents getting to Ethiopia and how they got me here. 489 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:35,479 Speaker 2: So when they arrived in Addis Ababa, I had already 490 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 2: been put up for adoption and I was in an 491 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:40,760 Speaker 2: orphanage where I met them, and I was really sick. 492 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:45,080 Speaker 2: I had scamy is, a suspected HIV. I had pneumonia, 493 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:47,800 Speaker 2: I had think I had chicken pox, a whole cocktail 494 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:51,720 Speaker 2: of things you don't want. And my parents took me 495 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:54,399 Speaker 2: to the Swedish hospital, to a private hospital from there, 496 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:57,440 Speaker 2: and they said, will you guys go home and then 497 00:24:57,560 --> 00:24:59,240 Speaker 2: we'll tell you if she makes it in the morning. 498 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:02,400 Speaker 2: And my my parents said, I don't think so. So 499 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 2: they took me out back to the hotel room, ran 500 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:09,600 Speaker 2: down to the American pharmacy, grabbed all the resources that 501 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:12,119 Speaker 2: they needed to get me back on track or at 502 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:15,960 Speaker 2: least stabilize me. And one of the things they did 503 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 2: within that was they got formula that would help me 504 00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 2: put on weight, and I was so underweight. They weren't 505 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 2: going to let me come back into Australia because the 506 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:27,480 Speaker 2: rules were so rigid then and the prospect of me 507 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:30,800 Speaker 2: coming back was looking pretty grim. And so it turned 508 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 2: out they overfed me. They put me on their scales 509 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:38,800 Speaker 2: with a full nappy and I think maybe my mum's hand, 510 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:42,400 Speaker 2: and they got me over the line and brought me home. 511 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:45,080 Speaker 2: So they literally did save my life. 512 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:47,879 Speaker 1: I love that. Yeah, So how was it that your 513 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:51,520 Speaker 1: birth parents came to decide that the best part for 514 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:54,600 Speaker 1: you was adoption and to come over to Australia. 515 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:58,399 Speaker 2: The trajectory was probably pretty grim, and that's something I 516 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:01,560 Speaker 2: don't have the answer to. But given the circumstances I 517 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:03,840 Speaker 2: was found in and the way that my parents did 518 00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:07,359 Speaker 2: have to care for me in that very first moments 519 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:11,160 Speaker 2: of meeting me, there was no real fraternity. 520 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:13,719 Speaker 1: That's right given. And obviously Ethiopia is a country that 521 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:16,960 Speaker 1: faces enormous poverty and disadvantage as well, and you, I 522 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:21,280 Speaker 1: suppose the human embodiment of that. Now, I know you 523 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:23,080 Speaker 1: can't see in a podcast, but we'll put them put 524 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:25,440 Speaker 1: the picture up and hopefully to the video. But now 525 00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:29,040 Speaker 1: you are anything but anything but this. That's poor, sickly 526 00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:34,840 Speaker 1: infant that was sort of spirited away from Ethiopia. What 527 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:37,879 Speaker 1: was your reaction when you saw all the fuss and 528 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:40,000 Speaker 1: the who a about this children's book. This is an 529 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:42,840 Speaker 1: area where you have been advocating for years. You've been 530 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 1: trying to get attention for years on the huge numbers 531 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:48,439 Speaker 1: of kids who are in foster care who we need 532 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:51,760 Speaker 1: to find permanent homes for. You know, you don't get half, 533 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:54,720 Speaker 1: you don't get half the traction that this hysteria over 534 00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:56,800 Speaker 1: a kid's book has gone. Anyway, let me shut up. 535 00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:57,720 Speaker 1: What was your reaction? 536 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:02,040 Speaker 2: I just wished that that outrage also extended to the 537 00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:05,000 Speaker 2: children that are living in out of home care. I 538 00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:07,600 Speaker 2: wish that we were equally as furious that this problem 539 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:11,920 Speaker 2: even exists. And while I'm an ambassador, adopt Change does 540 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:15,080 Speaker 2: fantastic work as an organization to try and get better 541 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:18,359 Speaker 2: outcomes for children in out of home care. And as 542 00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:21,680 Speaker 2: you said before, the numbers are so bad at the moment, 543 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:27,200 Speaker 2: they're stadium proportions of children that really need permanent homes 544 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:30,480 Speaker 2: and home based care. And some find that in kinship care, 545 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:34,479 Speaker 2: some find that in long term solutions, but home based 546 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:38,680 Speaker 2: care and stability and permanency is what we're seeing changing 547 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:41,359 Speaker 2: the trajectory of these kids, kids like me that otherwise 548 00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:42,719 Speaker 2: would have a pretty grim outcome. 549 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:47,399 Speaker 1: And the organizationally mentioned adopt Change, this is the leading 550 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:49,719 Speaker 1: organization in this area. A lot of people think adoption, 551 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:53,119 Speaker 1: they think of Angelina Jolie, you know, assembling a family 552 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:55,199 Speaker 1: from all corners of the globe. That is not the 553 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:58,400 Speaker 1: primary mission of adopt Change. In fact, the focus of 554 00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:03,480 Speaker 1: this organization is all about getting kids who are in 555 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:07,159 Speaker 1: foster care that can be incredibly sporadic, that has no 556 00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,480 Speaker 1: sense of sort of permanence, as you say, where kids 557 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:13,080 Speaker 1: could be taken from loving foster care as foster parents 558 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,400 Speaker 1: and put back with their birth families with disastrous results. 559 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:18,520 Speaker 1: Kids in out of home care where they're not even 560 00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:20,320 Speaker 1: in foster care, and group homes and things like that. 561 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:22,880 Speaker 1: How big is this problem? How many kids are there 562 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,879 Speaker 1: out of home care in Australia or New South Wales. 563 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:30,040 Speaker 2: We've got Yeah, So Adopt Change definitely, that is the 564 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:32,679 Speaker 2: work that they do. But they really are pushing to 565 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:34,880 Speaker 2: see a home for every child and home based care 566 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,240 Speaker 2: whatever that looks like, and for every child that's so different. 567 00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:41,520 Speaker 2: We're seeing forty five thousand, two hundred and seventy three 568 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:44,520 Speaker 2: to be precise, children who are in out of home 569 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:47,400 Speaker 2: care at the moment, and that ten percent of that 570 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:51,640 Speaker 2: those numbers, those children are actually in motels and caravans, 571 00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:52,160 Speaker 2: that's right. 572 00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:54,640 Speaker 1: So in the sense of that number, the kids are 573 00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,880 Speaker 1: actually in foster care despite all that insecurity and impermanence. 574 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:00,640 Speaker 1: They're the lucky ones in that coh There are others 575 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,040 Speaker 1: who are being put up, like you say, in caravans, 576 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:06,440 Speaker 1: in motel rooms, you know, with a dox worker sleeping 577 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:08,160 Speaker 1: on the floor to keep them company because they can't 578 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:10,200 Speaker 1: find anywhere else. In group homes that can often be 579 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:13,560 Speaker 1: very fluid, can be dangerous at times, even because these 580 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:18,920 Speaker 1: kids come from really troubled backgrounds, that surely should be 581 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:22,600 Speaker 1: the object of our outrage as a nation rather than 582 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,000 Speaker 1: some fleeting character in a kid's book. 583 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, we should definitely be focusing. And I 584 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:30,719 Speaker 2: just want to be clear that children are in a 585 00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:34,000 Speaker 2: myriad of different situations at the moment, and it definitely 586 00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:38,480 Speaker 2: suits them. Those different situations look different for everyone, but 587 00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:41,920 Speaker 2: for most part, a home based care is the way 588 00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:43,880 Speaker 2: to go. It is not right to have kids in 589 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:49,400 Speaker 2: motels and caravans, being essentially unsupervised or having the bare minimum. 590 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:51,280 Speaker 1: So the first step is we need to make sure 591 00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:54,320 Speaker 1: that all those kids who aren't even in a home 592 00:29:55,120 --> 00:30:00,000 Speaker 1: are in a home with foster parents, with foster cares whatever. Yeah, 593 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,720 Speaker 1: and then the other big thing that Adopt Change and 594 00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:06,600 Speaker 1: you work for is to get a sort of pathway 595 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:10,240 Speaker 1: for kids who are in foster care to be adopted, 596 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:14,400 Speaker 1: often by the well ideally, and this is what all 597 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:17,920 Speaker 1: parties often want, adopted by the foster parents they already have, 598 00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:19,560 Speaker 1: who just want to say, we love you so much, 599 00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:21,920 Speaker 1: if we want to take care of you, We just 600 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,040 Speaker 1: want to be your parents. And the kids often want that, 601 00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:27,040 Speaker 1: and the foster parents want that, and yet there are 602 00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:30,080 Speaker 1: all these kind of regulatory hurdles. There's all this ridiculous 603 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:30,960 Speaker 1: red tape in the way. 604 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:34,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of red tape. But Adopt Change 605 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:38,120 Speaker 2: isn't pushing for adoption necessarily, but they are looking for 606 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:40,920 Speaker 2: the better outcome for these children, whatever that may be. 607 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:44,240 Speaker 2: So we're looking for the permanency of these children. Why 608 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:47,720 Speaker 2: I can't speak on behalf of the organization itself. It's 609 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:51,040 Speaker 2: a no brainer, yeah, best anyone could say that, it's 610 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:53,480 Speaker 2: a no brainer for sure, that every child should be 611 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:55,760 Speaker 2: able to have access to a home, whatever that looks like. 612 00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:59,080 Speaker 2: And in tandem with that, which is what adopt Change 613 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,920 Speaker 2: is pushing for, is pre and post trauma support and 614 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:05,520 Speaker 2: to make sure those children, whatever their circumstance, Because it 615 00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:08,960 Speaker 2: is so individual, adoption, I would first say, isn't what 616 00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:12,479 Speaker 2: every child needs at all, and in some cases it's 617 00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:17,440 Speaker 2: far from what they need. So it's really an individualized process. 618 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:24,160 Speaker 2: And when we're looking at the sector government, different grassroots organizations. 619 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:27,960 Speaker 2: You know that Spider Man photo, everyone's very nerdy. Everyone's 620 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,160 Speaker 2: pointing out with that. Oh yeah, yeah, that's what it 621 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,200 Speaker 2: feels like a lot of adults are doing. So the 622 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:35,080 Speaker 2: focus and what adopt Change is actually pushing for is 623 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,680 Speaker 2: rather than providing the answers to whatever an outcome is 624 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,880 Speaker 2: as a general blank, they are definitely looking for the 625 00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:43,760 Speaker 2: focus to be back on the kids and what a 626 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:45,320 Speaker 2: kid really needs. 627 00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:48,880 Speaker 1: And in almost every circumstances that is whatever we call it, 628 00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,040 Speaker 1: whether it's adoption or foster care or whatever, but it 629 00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:54,240 Speaker 1: is that permanency and that sense of security, and that 630 00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:57,360 Speaker 1: is so critical for a child. Isn't it to know 631 00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:00,840 Speaker 1: that this is my home, these are my parents, or 632 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:03,040 Speaker 1: my guardians. These are people who look after me. This 633 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,480 Speaker 1: is the school I go to because you talk about 634 00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:07,800 Speaker 1: all that, and we've worked on this for years as 635 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:09,360 Speaker 1: well and talked about these sorts of things that we're 636 00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:13,200 Speaker 1: really just discovering now. But the traumas and the anxieties 637 00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:15,760 Speaker 1: the kids go through if they think all this could 638 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:17,400 Speaker 1: be taken away from me or I could be taken 639 00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:20,400 Speaker 1: away from all this at any moment. Just providing that 640 00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,800 Speaker 1: sense of security is probably the most important thing you 641 00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:26,440 Speaker 1: can do for a child's life, isn't it. 642 00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:30,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you've got the neurological impact, you've also got 643 00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:34,560 Speaker 2: just that real grounded sense of stability when you do 644 00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:36,920 Speaker 2: know where you belong and you're not spending every night 645 00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,040 Speaker 2: thinking where am I going to sleep, who's going to 646 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,360 Speaker 2: be there, what am I going to eat? And better 647 00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:44,560 Speaker 2: than that is when you do have that stability and permanency, 648 00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:48,480 Speaker 2: and you do have that consistency and adults are acting 649 00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:51,680 Speaker 2: in your best interest truly, whatever that may look like 650 00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:55,880 Speaker 2: it is, and you are supported. Children that go through 651 00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,600 Speaker 2: trauma need to be supported and have their adequate supports, 652 00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:01,120 Speaker 2: and that sort adopt change is really pushing for. So 653 00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:03,760 Speaker 2: when we've got that in place. It is a no 654 00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:05,240 Speaker 2: brainer that a child can thrive. 655 00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:09,440 Speaker 1: So we've got forty five thousand kids in Australia in 656 00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:12,320 Speaker 1: out of home care. Forty five thousand, that's enough to 657 00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:16,480 Speaker 1: fill the SCG. Let's just park that for a moment. 658 00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:20,680 Speaker 1: Over the same period, how many adoptions were there in Australia. 659 00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:23,840 Speaker 2: There were two hundred and one adoptions in twenty and 660 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:27,080 Speaker 2: twenty three. So adoption is at an all time low, 661 00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:29,400 Speaker 2: which means kids like me are totally missing out on 662 00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:33,280 Speaker 2: the opportunity to thrive. And to see that and to 663 00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:35,400 Speaker 2: see the life that me and my brothers had is 664 00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:38,160 Speaker 2: totally heartbreaking. It's the first time it's been that low, 665 00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:41,880 Speaker 2: and we've closed all our programs, so that is just, yeah, 666 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:42,920 Speaker 2: really devastating. 667 00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:44,800 Speaker 1: That is just insane. That is insane, And this is 668 00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,160 Speaker 1: and these adoptions, that's just not two hundred of those 669 00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:50,240 Speaker 1: forty five thousand, that's two hundred in total, including adoptions 670 00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:53,040 Speaker 1: from overseas and everything, two hundred in total, while forty 671 00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:54,280 Speaker 1: five thousand kids. 672 00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:58,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, including into country. So the program me and my 673 00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:01,920 Speaker 2: brothers are adopted through is totally shut down. And there's 674 00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:04,280 Speaker 2: been a big global push to keep people in their 675 00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:06,280 Speaker 2: birth countries, but of course there's a lot of kids 676 00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:09,439 Speaker 2: that were like me, still waiting for home. So yeah, 677 00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:11,200 Speaker 2: it's something that's really got to change. 678 00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:13,920 Speaker 1: That is staggering. Well, we have to change it, you 679 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:17,000 Speaker 1: know again, it is it is so civil just having 680 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,440 Speaker 1: a loving home, a stable home, a permanent home, and 681 00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:21,040 Speaker 1: we have to we have to make sure that governments 682 00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:25,279 Speaker 1: are doing everything they can to remove any obstacles to 683 00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:27,399 Speaker 1: that instead of sort of throwing them up. And often 684 00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:28,759 Speaker 1: these are with the best intents. Oh, we have to 685 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:30,759 Speaker 1: make sure that you know this person's mother to raise, 686 00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:32,400 Speaker 1: or we have to make sure that you know this person. 687 00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:35,040 Speaker 1: Like a lot of the time, the governments are doing 688 00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:37,000 Speaker 1: these things out of a kind of to minimize all 689 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:40,000 Speaker 1: this risk, while at the same time this child is 690 00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:44,560 Speaker 1: languishing in this limbo and suffering all these traumas while 691 00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:46,960 Speaker 1: the government sort of thinks that it's helping it. One 692 00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:48,040 Speaker 1: of those ironies as well. 693 00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:50,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's never made sense to me, And 694 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:54,640 Speaker 2: I can't specifically actually speak to that and the government's 695 00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:57,120 Speaker 2: role in this, but I can talk to my experience 696 00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:59,680 Speaker 2: that it's just never made sense. Why did we get 697 00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:03,160 Speaker 2: to live through that process? Because people thought about our 698 00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:06,640 Speaker 2: outcome and our trajectory. The trajectory for these other children 699 00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:09,320 Speaker 2: and children that are caught in limbo is so grim, 700 00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:13,839 Speaker 2: and we're looking at things like homelessness and school participation 701 00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:18,600 Speaker 2: down to their own personal neurological impact. So, given the choice, 702 00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:20,000 Speaker 2: what are we going to give these kids? 703 00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:23,040 Speaker 1: Exactly right, And again I'm no scientist, but we have 704 00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:27,759 Speaker 1: absolute proof of how these things can turn out right 705 00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,200 Speaker 1: in front of me, which is you. You're an absolute 706 00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:32,319 Speaker 1: super start and body you up to Now tell me 707 00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:34,560 Speaker 1: something what you've got all these different projects on the go. 708 00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,360 Speaker 1: You're a writer, you're an actor we probably can't have. 709 00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:41,560 Speaker 1: You're in talks with a massive studio organization that I 710 00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:44,759 Speaker 1: won't say anything about tajin set, but you're pretty hot 711 00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:45,239 Speaker 1: right now. 712 00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:50,799 Speaker 2: Thank you. I Yeah, A huge part of what I 713 00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:53,920 Speaker 2: love doing is telling stories. I think it's because was 714 00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:56,640 Speaker 2: born with a pretty good one, I think, so I've 715 00:35:56,680 --> 00:36:00,000 Speaker 2: always loved telling stories and finding out other people's stories 716 00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:03,520 Speaker 2: because they're always so different from mine. And yeah, now 717 00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:05,360 Speaker 2: that I get to do that and be in the 718 00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,320 Speaker 2: land of documentary and film, it's pretty exciting. 719 00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:11,200 Speaker 1: Well, your story is a phenomenal story, and thank you 720 00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:13,120 Speaker 1: so much for joining us on the Real Story. 721 00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:15,400 Speaker 2: Thank you Joe, thanks for getting to the Real story. 722 00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:20,919 Speaker 1: And that is all we have time for this week 723 00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:24,319 Speaker 1: before I fully start breaking down in tears. I just 724 00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:26,680 Speaker 1: love if. She does incredible work, and every time I 725 00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:30,680 Speaker 1: see her, I'm just honestly, it melts me. If you 726 00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:32,759 Speaker 1: like what you've heard this week or any other week, 727 00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:34,239 Speaker 1: and of course you're going to like it, You're not 728 00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:37,520 Speaker 1: made of stone. Give us a review, leave us a 729 00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:39,920 Speaker 1: five star rating. There is no other rating for what 730 00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:42,120 Speaker 1: you just heard. You can drop us a line at 731 00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:45,280 Speaker 1: The Real Story at Nova podcast dot com dot au. 732 00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:48,320 Speaker 1: You can follow me on Instagram at Joe Underscore Hildebrand 733 00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:50,919 Speaker 1: and slide into my dms. Get plenty of feedback that way. 734 00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:53,759 Speaker 1: Any questions you want to answered, any feedback you've got 735 00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,000 Speaker 1: about the show, any topics you'd like us to discuss. 736 00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:59,160 Speaker 1: By all means do it. I'm just pulling myself together 737 00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:02,760 Speaker 1: here and you can read me in all the various 738 00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:05,960 Speaker 1: mastheads and New Sport mastheads around the country every Monday 739 00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:08,960 Speaker 1: and Saturday. Thank you very much for joining us, and 740 00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:09,839 Speaker 1: we'll see you next week.