WEBVTT - Sharri | 12 December 0:00:01.440 --> 0:00:05.479 Why on Sky News. This is Sharry. 0:00:07.000 --> 0:00:07.600 Good Evening. 0:00:07.760 --> 0:00:10.119 It's my final show of the year tonight and I 0:00:10.240 --> 0:00:15.720 have major scoops. First exclusive vision from inside Melbourne's a 0:00:15.800 --> 0:00:18.160 Dust Synagogue showing the moment. 0:00:18.040 --> 0:00:19.200 It went up in flames. 0:00:19.640 --> 0:00:23.120 This is the first look at the arsonists while they 0:00:23.120 --> 0:00:27.280 were committing this terror attack. It's truly horrifying and it 0:00:27.360 --> 0:00:31.319 shows how those inside were mere seconds away from being 0:00:31.320 --> 0:00:32.680 engulfed in flames. 0:00:33.200 --> 0:00:33.920 That story. 0:00:34.040 --> 0:00:38.280 In a moment also tonight, Anthony Albanezi told prominent members 0:00:38.320 --> 0:00:42.040 of the Jewish community that the Arabs are doing it 0:00:42.120 --> 0:00:46.040 really tough at the moment. This was his instinctive remark 0:00:46.560 --> 0:00:49.400 at a time when our country is in the grips 0:00:49.520 --> 0:00:51.400 of an antisemitism crisis. 0:00:51.840 --> 0:00:53.160 That story coming up. 0:00:53.760 --> 0:00:57.200 Rupert Murdoch has today visited the Adust Synagogue to witness 0:00:57.200 --> 0:01:01.120 the aftermath of the terror attack, saying he deeply moved 0:01:01.840 --> 0:01:04.880 and there's pressure on John Persuto to stand down. Tonight, 0:01:05.280 --> 0:01:09.560 with MOI Redeeming being awarded three hundred thousand in damages, 0:01:10.040 --> 0:01:13.440 Persuno claimed there were no adverse findings against him, a 0:01:13.560 --> 0:01:16.200 statement that's blatantly untrue. 0:01:16.640 --> 0:01:19.319 Lawyer Justin Quill will be on live shortly. 0:01:20.240 --> 0:01:23.600 But first tonight, let's start with the truly horrifying moment 0:01:23.959 --> 0:01:28.200 the Adas Synagogue went up in flames. Police have obtained 0:01:28.400 --> 0:01:33.880 crucial new evidence that shows the alleged arsonists behind this 0:01:34.240 --> 0:01:37.920 terror attack. The exclusive pictures I'm about to show you, 0:01:38.319 --> 0:01:44.360 obtained by police, are captured from CCTV inside the temple. 0:01:45.120 --> 0:01:49.160 It is a truly horrifying moment when a synagogue is 0:01:49.200 --> 0:01:51.360 set alight and torched. 0:01:51.880 --> 0:02:07.640 Take a look. It's so terrifying, isn't it. 0:02:07.800 --> 0:02:10.360 And I want to show you those pictures again, but 0:02:10.440 --> 0:02:15.359 this time in slow motion. Just look how quickly that 0:02:15.440 --> 0:02:19.960 fire spreads. In a matter of seconds, the synagogue turns 0:02:20.000 --> 0:02:23.519 from a peaceful place of worship, a safe room for 0:02:23.639 --> 0:02:29.200 study and prayer, into a potentially deadly inferno, the flames 0:02:29.360 --> 0:02:35.720 raging inside with thick, acrid smoke. And now I can 0:02:35.760 --> 0:02:41.600 show you what happened inside the synagogue just moments before this. 0:02:42.800 --> 0:02:43.880 You can see a. 0:02:43.880 --> 0:02:47.680 Worshiper to the left of the screen peering inside the 0:02:47.760 --> 0:02:51.399 room where the arsonists are dowsing petrol. He sees what's 0:02:51.440 --> 0:02:54.000 going on, he starts to flee, Then he goes back 0:02:54.040 --> 0:02:57.200 and bangs on the door. It looks like he says 0:02:57.200 --> 0:03:02.120 something to the terrorists, but then runs for his life. 0:03:02.720 --> 0:03:05.400 As he flees the room, you can see the urgency 0:03:05.560 --> 0:03:10.720 and terror. And now we're more extraordinary and shocking footage, 0:03:10.760 --> 0:03:14.359 which is right now being examined by police. I can 0:03:14.400 --> 0:03:20.720 show you the actual attackers moving inside the synagogue moments 0:03:20.760 --> 0:03:25.120 before the inferno erupts. Look closely now to the left 0:03:25.160 --> 0:03:29.200 side of your screen, the circle in red through the door. 0:03:29.240 --> 0:03:32.680 You can see the arsonists running back and forth. It 0:03:32.720 --> 0:03:35.800 appears they're carrying a red jerry can as they pour 0:03:35.920 --> 0:03:40.280 petrol all over the synagogue. And let's take a closer 0:03:40.320 --> 0:03:44.200 look at that vision, because it's utterly extraordinary to see 0:03:44.240 --> 0:03:48.640 these arsonists behind this terror attack. This time, let's look 0:03:48.760 --> 0:03:52.240 in slow motion, and if you look closely, you can 0:03:52.280 --> 0:03:56.520 see there's a black covering or mask on one of 0:03:56.560 --> 0:03:57.240 their faces. 0:03:57.280 --> 0:03:58.320 Have a look. You can see that. 0:03:58.440 --> 0:04:03.280 Now that is key evidence for police who are tonight 0:04:03.480 --> 0:04:09.720 leading this terrorist investigation. Then, precisely thirty seven seconds later, 0:04:10.240 --> 0:04:14.600 the entire room goes up in flames. Thirty seven seconds 0:04:14.640 --> 0:04:18.279 between when the worshiper left the room and when it 0:04:18.360 --> 0:04:23.160 was on fire. That is thirty seven seconds between life 0:04:23.800 --> 0:04:24.440 and death. 0:04:25.960 --> 0:04:27.160 In the wake of this attack. 0:04:27.560 --> 0:04:32.880 Albanesi has claimed that he cares about antisemitism. He visited 0:04:32.920 --> 0:04:37.200 Sydney's Holocaust Museum yesterday and spoke about the need for action. 0:04:38.520 --> 0:04:42.880 But last week, before this terror attack, he made an 0:04:42.880 --> 0:04:48.479 insensitive remark. Prime Minister Anthony Albanesi told prominent members of 0:04:48.520 --> 0:04:52.520 the Jewish community that the Arabs are doing it really 0:04:52.680 --> 0:04:56.880 tough at the moment. He made the comments last week 0:04:57.040 --> 0:05:00.120 prior to the terror attack on the Adashed Synagogue in Melbourne, 0:05:00.279 --> 0:05:06.240 but after the extensive antisemitic vandalism in Wullara. His tone, 0:05:06.279 --> 0:05:10.200 deaf and insensitive comments are understood to have shocked the 0:05:10.240 --> 0:05:15.840 prominent Jewish leaders, who immediately responded by telling Albanzi that 0:05:15.880 --> 0:05:20.440 the Jewish community was doing it tough as well. Albanese's 0:05:20.480 --> 0:05:23.919 comments show he has failed to understand the gravity of 0:05:23.920 --> 0:05:28.719 the anti Semitism crisis that's erupted over the past fourteen months. 0:05:29.680 --> 0:05:30.520 I asked the. 0:05:30.440 --> 0:05:35.120 Prime Minister's office today if he recognized his remarks were insensitive, 0:05:35.160 --> 0:05:38.320 and I asked for a comment. The Prime Minister's office 0:05:38.360 --> 0:05:41.440 said they did not believe it was an accurate reflection 0:05:41.800 --> 0:05:46.760 of the conversation, but the comments were instantly shocking to 0:05:46.800 --> 0:05:50.520 the prominent Jewish leaders, and they remarked on them immediately 0:05:51.000 --> 0:05:56.839 to others present. But this was Albanesi's instinctive sentiment to 0:05:56.920 --> 0:06:00.679 talk about how tough the Arabic community he was feeling 0:06:01.320 --> 0:06:03.640 when our country is in the grips of an anti 0:06:03.640 --> 0:06:09.000 Semitism crisis. It's similar to his ministers who, even after 0:06:09.080 --> 0:06:13.640 the fire bombing, can't stop talking about Islamophobia. 0:06:14.720 --> 0:06:18.080 So be it any Semitism or Islamophobia. 0:06:17.320 --> 0:06:19.000 And Islamophobia is unacceptable. 0:06:19.040 --> 0:06:21.680 If James Patterson thinks he's now as Lamophobia in Australia 0:06:21.680 --> 0:06:22.120 his role. 0:06:23.920 --> 0:06:26.880 As we spoke about last night, Albanezi also was caught 0:06:26.920 --> 0:06:29.040 on tape saying he was going to make the Jewish 0:06:29.080 --> 0:06:33.200 community even more upset. It seems he was referring to 0:06:33.360 --> 0:06:37.000 another anti Israel vote at the United Nations which took 0:06:37.080 --> 0:06:42.039 place overnight. The UN vote demanded that Israel reverse its 0:06:42.040 --> 0:06:47.200 bound on UNRA despite its proven links to terrorism, shutou 0:06:47.240 --> 0:06:50.520 Home Affairs Minister James Patterson told me today that this 0:06:50.760 --> 0:06:52.960 was reckless and irresponsible. 0:06:53.880 --> 0:06:56.320 The truth is no Australian taxpayer dollars should be going 0:06:56.360 --> 0:07:00.040 to an organization that admits itself it employed terrorist and 0:07:00.320 --> 0:07:03.040 that is exactly what the Albanezi has done. The Albaneza 0:07:03.040 --> 0:07:07.000 government has done. This just continues the insults from the 0:07:07.000 --> 0:07:10.480 Albanza government to Israel and the Jewish community over the 0:07:10.560 --> 0:07:14.760 last week, which also included Pennywong's inflammatory and irresponsible speech 0:07:14.800 --> 0:07:17.680 on Tuesday night in which she compared Israel to Russia 0:07:17.680 --> 0:07:20.000 and China. And this is all the more reckless and 0:07:20.000 --> 0:07:23.240 irresponsible given we are now in the middle of an 0:07:23.400 --> 0:07:25.800 anti Jewish terror crisis in Australia. 0:07:27.200 --> 0:07:33.280 The UN vote also demanded an unconditional and immediate ceasefire. Well, 0:07:33.440 --> 0:07:36.760 there can't be an unconditional ceasefire. You can't have a 0:07:36.800 --> 0:07:40.080 ceasefire if her Muss is still in power or if 0:07:40.080 --> 0:07:44.640 the hostages haven't been brought home. Patterson says this would 0:07:44.640 --> 0:07:47.120 only see the return of the terror group her Muss, 0:07:47.600 --> 0:07:50.360 and that the Albanzi government is clearly putting their own 0:07:50.400 --> 0:07:52.960 political interest ahead of the national interest. 0:07:54.040 --> 0:07:59.320 We voted to support an immediate ceasefire without any caveats 0:07:59.400 --> 0:08:01.640 at all, and the effective that would be for her 0:08:01.720 --> 0:08:04.240 Mus to remain in charge in Gaza. It will allow 0:08:04.320 --> 0:08:07.560 a must to regroup and recontrol Garza again, where it 0:08:07.560 --> 0:08:10.320 would again subject to people of Gaza to misery and 0:08:10.440 --> 0:08:14.000 from where they could again launch strikes against the Israeli 0:08:14.040 --> 0:08:15.560 people and the Israeli government. 0:08:17.120 --> 0:08:20.520 Voting to effectively allow a terrorist group to remain in 0:08:20.600 --> 0:08:25.800 power is an insane proposition from a morally corrupt government, 0:08:26.320 --> 0:08:29.400 a government that pretends to care about anti Semitism, but 0:08:29.480 --> 0:08:33.440 at the same time continues its campaign of aggression against Israel, 0:08:34.000 --> 0:08:38.319 a campaign that has only emboldened the haters and contributed 0:08:38.360 --> 0:08:45.800 to the rise of due hatred in our beautiful country. Well, 0:08:45.800 --> 0:08:47.880 as I said, it's my final show of the year, 0:08:47.880 --> 0:08:50.200 and it is a big one. I've got an exclusive 0:08:50.200 --> 0:08:54.479 interview with United States Congressman Brad Weinstrap on his investigation 0:08:54.559 --> 0:08:56.120 into the origins of COVID. 0:08:55.880 --> 0:08:56.920 That's coming out later. 0:08:57.320 --> 0:09:00.880 Economist Judith Sloan will also join me live to slam 0:09:00.960 --> 0:09:04.560 government spending. Plus Justin Quill, a top lawyer, will break 0:09:04.600 --> 0:09:08.840 down the findings against John Pisuto after Moiray Deeming's win today. 0:09:09.280 --> 0:09:13.000 Jemma Tognini Gary Hargrave also on the program. But now 0:09:13.080 --> 0:09:16.199 let's bring in National Senator Matt Canavan and Perth Met 0:09:16.440 --> 0:09:20.440 Basil Zemplus. Welcome to you both, Matt and Basil. Look 0:09:20.520 --> 0:09:24.320 you just saw that shocking footage then it is quite 0:09:24.400 --> 0:09:27.840 scary to watch, and we timed it precisely. This is 0:09:27.840 --> 0:09:31.479 the footage that the police have obtained from inside the synagogue, 0:09:31.720 --> 0:09:36.400 thirty seven seconds Matt between the moment a worshiper was 0:09:36.480 --> 0:09:39.520 in that room and when it was engulfed in flames. 0:09:42.320 --> 0:09:44.840 Well, it can just be thankful, Shari that no one 0:09:45.000 --> 0:09:48.400 was hurt or injured from these shocking events in Australia. 0:09:49.679 --> 0:09:52.680 Has shocked the country, you know. I mean, in the 0:09:52.679 --> 0:09:54.920 space of a year, we've had a bishop stab giving 0:09:55.280 --> 0:09:58.480 during a sermon and now these attacks on the Jewish community. 0:10:00.040 --> 0:10:01.880 Very sad to see a country divided in this way, 0:10:01.960 --> 0:10:06.120 and I think it is an obligation all our leaders 0:10:06.160 --> 0:10:08.880 and political leaders to try and unite Australians and be 0:10:09.000 --> 0:10:13.040 with them at times of these kinds of troubles. It's 0:10:13.040 --> 0:10:14.880 good to see the promise to finally do that. It's 0:10:14.920 --> 0:10:16.920 been a bit related, but look, we've just got to 0:10:16.920 --> 0:10:19.560 stop trying to pit Australians against Australians. The vast majority 0:10:19.600 --> 0:10:22.480 of Australians do want to get along. There's obviously a 0:10:22.520 --> 0:10:26.120 small minority among us that are trying to cause us 0:10:26.360 --> 0:10:30.560 to divide ourselves to fight against each other. But what 0:10:30.600 --> 0:10:33.320 we've got to do is bring those perpetrators to justice, 0:10:33.640 --> 0:10:37.520 find who these people are, make them account for the 0:10:37.559 --> 0:10:40.520 full account of the law. And then otherwise we've got 0:10:40.559 --> 0:10:42.880 to get together as all Australians, all different faiths. 0:10:43.360 --> 0:10:44.840 We're very lucky to be in this country. 0:10:45.600 --> 0:10:47.680 And I think one of the things that makes is 0:10:47.720 --> 0:10:50.160 such a harmonious and prosperous country over time is that 0:10:50.200 --> 0:10:54.120 we've generally been able to leave a centuries long ethnic. 0:10:54.080 --> 0:10:56.280 Conflicts to other parts of the world. 0:10:56.880 --> 0:10:58.920 We're very lucky here in this country that we don't 0:10:58.960 --> 0:11:02.040 have generational inflict of any great note. 0:11:02.080 --> 0:11:03.520 And long may it stay that way. 0:11:04.640 --> 0:11:07.040 Well, it's not staying that way anymore. It hasn't stayed 0:11:07.040 --> 0:11:09.400 that way for the past fourteen months. But I agree 0:11:09.400 --> 0:11:12.760 it was up until that point largely safe and free 0:11:12.760 --> 0:11:13.439 of racism. 0:11:13.880 --> 0:11:14.240 Basil. 0:11:14.280 --> 0:11:16.199 I want to get your reaction, and let's play them 0:11:16.240 --> 0:11:20.600 again now those foot that footage from inside the synagogue, Basil, 0:11:20.679 --> 0:11:23.520 what was your reaction when you saw just how close 0:11:23.559 --> 0:11:26.680 that worshiper came to being engulfed in flames, and also 0:11:26.720 --> 0:11:30.520 that extraordinary footage of the arsonists going back and forth 0:11:30.559 --> 0:11:33.360 with the red jerry can and you can see, you know, 0:11:33.400 --> 0:11:34.960 the black covering over their face. 0:11:36.840 --> 0:11:40.360 Absolutely horrific, isn't it. And as Matt has just said, 0:11:40.440 --> 0:11:44.560 how lucky we all are that the clash of times, 0:11:44.640 --> 0:11:48.600 the lighting of those explosives and that worshiper leaving that 0:11:48.720 --> 0:11:53.240 place of worship didn't just coincide that tiny bit closer, 0:11:53.559 --> 0:11:56.000 because we know what would have happened. What we also 0:11:56.120 --> 0:11:59.680 know is this was a person and people intend on 0:11:59.720 --> 0:12:03.439 to show junction. It was a crime fueled by hate. 0:12:03.720 --> 0:12:06.920 It's unnecessary, it's not what we like in our country. 0:12:07.080 --> 0:12:09.800 We want it stamped out and we want the message 0:12:09.840 --> 0:12:12.800 about it being stamped out to be very clear and 0:12:12.840 --> 0:12:15.199 to be coming from the very top. And as Man 0:12:15.280 --> 0:12:18.520 has said quite correctly, the Prime Minister is in and 0:12:18.600 --> 0:12:22.080 on now, but it has taken some time and these 0:12:22.120 --> 0:12:25.239 messages need to be clear, they need to be concise, 0:12:25.600 --> 0:12:27.680 and they need to be immediate, that this sort of 0:12:27.720 --> 0:12:31.120 behavior will never be tolerated in our country. 0:12:32.160 --> 0:12:34.800 And you know, and we can keep looking at this footage, 0:12:35.000 --> 0:12:38.520 it is just utterly extraordinary. But while the Prime Minister 0:12:38.640 --> 0:12:41.400 was yesterday responding to this terror attack and the rise 0:12:41.400 --> 0:12:44.720 in anti Semitism, I reported on the show last night 0:12:45.400 --> 0:12:50.280 that an Australian Auschwitz survivor turning one hundred had wanted 0:12:50.320 --> 0:12:53.240 her whole family to join her for the celebrations, but 0:12:53.240 --> 0:12:57.040 that Tony Burk's department had introduced a hostile What was 0:12:57.120 --> 0:13:00.920 sending Israeli is this hostile questionnaire where they were asked 0:13:00.960 --> 0:13:04.480 if they'd committed war crimes and to detail their military service, 0:13:04.520 --> 0:13:08.800 which in Israeli is compulsory. Now, last night, two of 0:13:08.840 --> 0:13:11.559 the Burger family had not been able to enter the country. 0:13:11.760 --> 0:13:14.360 The twenty one year old great granddaughter flew back home 0:13:14.400 --> 0:13:16.560 after her week's leave was up and the visa still 0:13:16.600 --> 0:13:20.280 not through. She might never get to see her one 0:13:20.360 --> 0:13:24.080 hundred year old grandmother Holocaust survivor again. But now in 0:13:24.120 --> 0:13:27.080 good news, thanks to our coverage on the show last night, 0:13:28.000 --> 0:13:31.160 the government is now allowing the relative who's been stranded 0:13:31.200 --> 0:13:34.520 in Thailand for two weeks to come to Australia. Matt, 0:13:34.559 --> 0:13:38.040 this is pretty outrageous though, to ask family members of 0:13:38.080 --> 0:13:40.960 Holocaust survivors if they've committed war crimes. 0:13:43.400 --> 0:13:43.559 Yeah. 0:13:43.640 --> 0:13:46.800 Look, I don't know a lot about this case apart 0:13:46.800 --> 0:13:49.880 from what's being reported. I have to deal with many 0:13:49.920 --> 0:13:52.559 of these types of cases that come to me from 0:13:52.559 --> 0:13:56.640 time to time. Normally you get a very sensible response 0:13:56.679 --> 0:13:59.560 when they're raised, and congratulations for you to helping out 0:13:59.600 --> 0:14:02.320 this this family. In this instance, there does seem to 0:14:02.320 --> 0:14:05.000 be something a little bit strange about these questions. Obviously, 0:14:05.400 --> 0:14:09.040 I support a strong border protection regime, and I support 0:14:09.040 --> 0:14:12.319 our authorities asking appropriate questions about who wants to come 0:14:12.320 --> 0:14:15.360 to this country and make sure it's safe for all 0:14:15.400 --> 0:14:17.800 of us for them to enter here. No one that's 0:14:17.800 --> 0:14:19.960 not Australian has a right to enter our country. They'n 0:14:20.080 --> 0:14:21.600 have a default right to do that. And always mention 0:14:21.680 --> 0:14:24.800 that to people who want special treatment. But yeah, there's 0:14:25.000 --> 0:14:28.360 saying something strange about these questions, if that's true. So 0:14:28.520 --> 0:14:30.480 some questions I think need to be answered about exactly 0:14:30.480 --> 0:14:34.520 what the processes are in place for members. 0:14:34.440 --> 0:14:36.040 Of the defense force from Israel. 0:14:36.560 --> 0:14:40.360 Maybe there is need for some of questions when there 0:14:40.400 --> 0:14:42.480 are members of defense forces from other countries coming to 0:14:42.520 --> 0:14:43.000 our country. 0:14:43.040 --> 0:14:44.720 But it seems a little strange. 0:14:45.400 --> 0:14:48.200 It's not just strange, this is outright aggression from the 0:14:48.240 --> 0:14:52.720 Albanezy government. Military services compulsory for all young people in Israel. 0:14:52.720 --> 0:14:55.480 There's no other way for Israel to defend its nation 0:14:55.600 --> 0:14:59.200 when it comes under existential threat from terrorists on seven fronts. 0:15:00.480 --> 0:15:03.320 You know, I reported last night Israelis who've gone back 0:15:03.320 --> 0:15:06.360 and forth from Australia for work on now having to 0:15:06.440 --> 0:15:10.200 deal with these hostile questions. We know Tony Burke his 0:15:10.520 --> 0:15:14.160 entire career has been a pro Palestinian politician, like the 0:15:14.240 --> 0:15:14.960 Prime minister. 0:15:15.360 --> 0:15:16.120 I mean, this is a. 0:15:16.040 --> 0:15:21.200 Good outcome for this Auschwitz survivor's great grandson thanks to 0:15:21.240 --> 0:15:23.880 our reporting, But what about everyone else? And we can't 0:15:23.920 --> 0:15:26.320 raise every case on this show, Basil. 0:15:27.520 --> 0:15:30.680 No, that's a very good point, and again, yes, well 0:15:30.720 --> 0:15:33.800 done to you and your team for highlighting this. I 0:15:33.800 --> 0:15:38.360 think what we want in these situations is consistency. We 0:15:38.400 --> 0:15:42.720 want the same rules and interrogation for everybody. Nobody should 0:15:42.720 --> 0:15:45.760 be interrogated more than anybody else, but nobody should be 0:15:45.800 --> 0:15:50.080 interrogated less than anybody else. And if you serve any 0:15:50.200 --> 0:15:54.040 armed forces from another nation anywhere in the world, it 0:15:54.160 --> 0:15:57.360 is fair enough that some questions will be asked. That 0:15:57.480 --> 0:15:59.880 information is important to say is. 0:16:00.200 --> 0:16:04.800 Nonsense when Australian veterans. When Australian veterans go to America, 0:16:04.840 --> 0:16:07.200 we do not expect to be asked if. 0:16:07.080 --> 0:16:10.120 They've committed war crimes. That is just rubbish. 0:16:10.560 --> 0:16:13.440 But arry ques to decide the rules in this country. 0:16:13.480 --> 0:16:14.480 I mean, it's our country. 0:16:14.520 --> 0:16:16.960 It's not America. It's our country. If I don't know 0:16:17.040 --> 0:16:18.400 enough about it, we had. 0:16:18.400 --> 0:16:19.880 Veterans from America. 0:16:19.920 --> 0:16:23.400 We're not telling them questions about whether they've committed. 0:16:23.280 --> 0:16:25.320 Very strict protection rules, and I support them. 0:16:25.320 --> 0:16:27.920 This isn't about border protection and this that's. 0:16:27.480 --> 0:16:32.560 A business a double standard as well, because the Apanezy 0:16:32.600 --> 0:16:36.120 government rushed in nearly three thousand visas for Palestinians, no 0:16:36.480 --> 0:16:39.120 security checks at all, some granted in as little as 0:16:39.160 --> 0:16:45.840 an hour, and yet innocent, hard working Israelis, some who 0:16:45.920 --> 0:16:49.480 are the grandchildren of Holocaust survivors, others who've been coming 0:16:49.520 --> 0:16:52.800 back and forth through this country for for years and 0:16:52.880 --> 0:16:56.480 years are now being subject to this interrogation. It's a 0:16:56.520 --> 0:17:00.440 clear double standard that shouldn't apply when you've got Gaza, 0:17:00.560 --> 0:17:04.320 terrorist controlled war zone and you've got Israel, a peaceful, 0:17:04.640 --> 0:17:07.919 liberal democracy. It's an utter outrage, and I don't know 0:17:07.960 --> 0:17:10.840 how either of you can sit there and try and 0:17:10.840 --> 0:17:11.240 defend it. 0:17:11.520 --> 0:17:12.640 All I'm saying. 0:17:13.119 --> 0:17:15.480 All I'm saying is that we get to decide who 0:17:15.480 --> 0:17:16.800 comes here. It's our rules. 0:17:16.800 --> 0:17:17.159 That you do. 0:17:17.240 --> 0:17:18.760 If you're not in Australian you don't have a right to 0:17:18.760 --> 0:17:20.880 come to this country. I do agree with you that 0:17:20.920 --> 0:17:23.400 there is something strange there about asking about particular war 0:17:23.400 --> 0:17:25.560 crimes and what have you. That's I think what needs 0:17:25.560 --> 0:17:26.840 to get to the bottom of this case. And they 0:17:26.880 --> 0:17:30.239 may very well be a double standard there, but I 0:17:30.359 --> 0:17:32.280 very much support, as I say, anybody who comes to 0:17:32.320 --> 0:17:34.760 me wanting some kind of special access. 0:17:34.880 --> 0:17:37.800 This isn't about this isn't about a very strict. 0:17:37.560 --> 0:17:39.520 We have a strict, very strict visa required. 0:17:39.640 --> 0:17:42.320 This isn't about that. This is a question have you 0:17:42.359 --> 0:17:45.720 committed war crimes? Have you committed genocide? I read out 0:17:45.720 --> 0:17:48.439 the questions on there last night. No one else is 0:17:48.480 --> 0:17:52.000 being asked these questions except for Jewish citizens. 0:17:52.320 --> 0:17:54.040 This is utterly disgusting. 0:17:54.119 --> 0:17:56.200 And I have to say to you all the reaction 0:17:56.280 --> 0:17:59.199 I got from everyone today because this story has gone international, 0:17:59.440 --> 0:18:02.359 has been outrage at what's happening. What's happened to the 0:18:02.400 --> 0:18:06.280 Australian government that it's asking these questions. You know, the 0:18:06.320 --> 0:18:10.080 reaction hasn't been what you two have expressed tonight. 0:18:10.240 --> 0:18:12.080 But let's move on to other topics. 0:18:12.200 --> 0:18:14.080 And my Jack, I just say one more thing, though, 0:18:14.119 --> 0:18:16.919 I just say one more thing, And that's why consistency 0:18:17.359 --> 0:18:18.159 is important. 0:18:18.320 --> 0:18:20.359 And that's that's my point of view. 0:18:20.680 --> 0:18:23.240 If you're going to ask anybody who comes in one 0:18:23.280 --> 0:18:26.240 set of questions, you've got to ask everybody who comes 0:18:26.280 --> 0:18:29.160 in one set of questions. And we all applauded John 0:18:29.200 --> 0:18:32.320 Howard when he said, we decide who comes into this 0:18:32.440 --> 0:18:36.160 country and the circumstances in which they enter. We want 0:18:36.200 --> 0:18:40.440 to stay consistent and be consistent, and then there are 0:18:40.480 --> 0:18:41.360 no gray areas. 0:18:41.600 --> 0:18:42.919 That's the best way forward. 0:18:43.200 --> 0:18:47.120 And what we've seen here is a hostile policy towards 0:18:47.320 --> 0:18:52.080 Jews from Israel and rushing in visas for Garzans from 0:18:52.080 --> 0:18:55.359 a terrorist controlled war zone, where we've reported and shown 0:18:55.359 --> 0:18:58.520 new evidence on this program and in other media outlets 0:18:58.680 --> 0:19:00.680 that some have a muscin for these. 0:19:01.520 --> 0:19:03.639 So I think we're a green sharry. We're saying it 0:19:03.720 --> 0:19:05.919 needs to be consistent, that's what we're saying. 0:19:06.320 --> 0:19:08.800 Well, not sure we're agreeing. I don't think it needs 0:19:08.800 --> 0:19:11.280 to be consistent. I think you need strict and strong 0:19:11.359 --> 0:19:15.280 interrogation from people coming from a terrorist controlled war zone, 0:19:15.320 --> 0:19:18.160 and I don't think you need that from a liberal democracy. 0:19:19.240 --> 0:19:22.320 Jews are peaceful people. But let's move on to our 0:19:22.400 --> 0:19:25.960 unemployment rate. Australia's unemployment rate has fallen to three point 0:19:26.000 --> 0:19:29.000 nine percent in November, the lowest level since March. 0:19:29.920 --> 0:19:30.200 Matt. 0:19:30.200 --> 0:19:33.120 We've seen some economists warn that the low figure might 0:19:33.200 --> 0:19:37.160 impact the RBA's decision to cut interest rates. What impact 0:19:37.160 --> 0:19:39.560 do you think this could have on rates? 0:19:41.880 --> 0:19:45.320 Well, look, it's probably going to cause the Reserve Bank 0:19:45.400 --> 0:19:48.359 to at least pause before taking any further action. 0:19:48.520 --> 0:19:51.520 And while notionally a low unemployment. 0:19:51.080 --> 0:19:55.520 Rates good news for people, the reality is that doesn't 0:19:55.600 --> 0:20:00.359 really directly impact most people in this country. And deployment 0:20:00.400 --> 0:20:03.760 rate we're seeing is really a consequence of this government's 0:20:03.760 --> 0:20:07.280 policy of overheating the economy bringing in a lot more migrants, 0:20:07.280 --> 0:20:11.439 and really we can sustain right now. They might have 0:20:11.520 --> 0:20:15.280 those strict border controls on people coming here for birthday celebrations, 0:20:15.320 --> 0:20:18.360 but they're certainly not being strict for those coming here 0:20:18.400 --> 0:20:20.280 for longer periods of time and putting pressure on our 0:20:20.280 --> 0:20:23.159 housing and labor markets, and so that is overheating the 0:20:23.200 --> 0:20:25.760 economy and causing our interest rates to be higher than 0:20:25.800 --> 0:20:29.400 they otherwise need to be. If the government were to 0:20:29.480 --> 0:20:32.320 take some of that heat out of the market, control 0:20:32.359 --> 0:20:35.520 our border a little bit better, control our spending, control 0:20:35.560 --> 0:20:37.560 the spending of your money a bit better. 0:20:38.359 --> 0:20:40.680 Then maybe our employment. 0:20:40.320 --> 0:20:42.680 Market wouldn't be so hot, but their interest rates would 0:20:42.680 --> 0:20:45.160 come down. And I think that's what most restraints would 0:20:45.200 --> 0:20:47.919 like to see right now, and nothing the government is 0:20:47.960 --> 0:20:50.800 doing right now is helping generate that outcome. If we 0:20:50.840 --> 0:20:54.000 do see interest rates fall next year, it will be 0:20:54.080 --> 0:20:59.159 in spite of the Federal government's high spending, high immigration policies, 0:21:00.080 --> 0:21:01.720 because of anything they've done in particular. 0:21:02.320 --> 0:21:05.119 Yeah, and look, according to at least what the IBA said, 0:21:05.480 --> 0:21:08.119 you know, there are no immediate forecasts that rates are 0:21:08.119 --> 0:21:11.280 going to come down. And as we go into Christmas now, 0:21:11.320 --> 0:21:15.920 the cost of living crisis is such a major concern 0:21:16.000 --> 0:21:19.520 for families struggling to buy Christmas presents for their kids. 0:21:21.560 --> 0:21:25.560 Unemployment rates aren't really going to affect people's decision making, 0:21:25.600 --> 0:21:28.639 are they, And as we get towards March or April 0:21:28.920 --> 0:21:31.920 or May whenever that election is, having just come through, 0:21:31.920 --> 0:21:35.480 what will be a tough Christmas period for many families 0:21:35.520 --> 0:21:38.719 around Australia. In the end, people tend to simplify it 0:21:38.880 --> 0:21:41.280 and they'll walk into the ballot boxes and they'll ask 0:21:41.320 --> 0:21:45.520 themselves the question am I better off under labor after 0:21:45.760 --> 0:21:49.560 the last three years? That's largely what it will come 0:21:49.640 --> 0:21:52.760 down to. And I think there'll be a great vast 0:21:53.000 --> 0:21:55.399 number of Australians for whom that answer will be No, 0:21:55.800 --> 0:21:58.680 I'm not better off now than I was three years ago. 0:21:58.960 --> 0:22:01.840 And as we know, interest rates they started to go 0:22:01.960 --> 0:22:05.399 up under Morrison, they kept going up under alban easy, 0:22:05.720 --> 0:22:09.399 and that's what it may well boil down to now 0:22:09.640 --> 0:22:11.120 when we go to the polls. 0:22:11.480 --> 0:22:14.480 Indeed, all right, Matt Canavan, Basil Zemplus, thank you both 0:22:14.760 --> 0:22:18.199 very much for your time. Now let's turn to Labour's 0:22:18.280 --> 0:22:22.040 latest reelection bid to win over voters, in particular parents. 0:22:22.160 --> 0:22:27.760 Albanese is clearly hoping that childcare, free childcare will get. 0:22:27.640 --> 0:22:29.119 Him over the line at the next election. 0:22:29.200 --> 0:22:32.320 He's pledged to spend a billion dollars on one hundred 0:22:32.359 --> 0:22:36.000 and sixty new childcare centers and an estimated four hundred 0:22:36.040 --> 0:22:39.800 and thirty million dollars on subsidies. Will Economist Judith Sloan 0:22:40.040 --> 0:22:43.760