WEBVTT - Bonus preview episode: The summations - with Anthony Dowsley

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<v Speaker 1>Hire listeners. As we said in our daily show, there

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<v Speaker 1>is no court sitting today, but we thought we would

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<v Speaker 1>give you another little taste of our Sunday subscriber show.

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<v Speaker 1>We're up to the very last days of the trial

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<v Speaker 1>of Aaron Patterson. The prosecution and the defense have spoken

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<v Speaker 1>their last words and the only thing the jury has

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<v Speaker 1>left to hear is from the presiding judge. As always,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm joined by veteran crime reporter Anthony Dowsley to break

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<v Speaker 1>it all down. I'm Brooke Greeber Craig and this is

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<v Speaker 1>the Mushroom Cook. Hi dows Welcome back for another episode.

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<v Speaker 2>Hi Brooke, morewell's treating you well? I hope it's come

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<v Speaker 2>to the very point to end at last. Was supposed

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<v Speaker 2>to be what set down for six week five six

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<v Speaker 2>week trial, then they said it might be a month,

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<v Speaker 2>and now it's going to be almost nine weeks in

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<v Speaker 2>the end.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, we're heading into the ninth week. So this week

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<v Speaker 1>we heard the closings from the prosecution and the defense.

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<v Speaker 2>The highlights package. It's where both sides get to sum

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<v Speaker 2>up their case. It's not actual evidence, it's a summary

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<v Speaker 2>of the evidence, but it's persuasive argument as well. And

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<v Speaker 2>that's where both the prosecution and the defense get to

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<v Speaker 2>try and have their last well lash at the jury

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<v Speaker 2>to say this is why you should either convict or

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<v Speaker 2>not convict, guilty or not guilty.

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<v Speaker 1>And Crown Prosecutor and Nannette Rogers really focused on five

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<v Speaker 1>deceptions during her summation, Dows, did you want to talk

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<v Speaker 1>our listeners through each one of them? Maybe we'll start

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<v Speaker 1>off with the first one, which was the fabricated cancer

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<v Speaker 1>claim Aaron used as a reason for the lunch.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is an interesting one because it's a deception

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<v Speaker 2>that caught the ears of everyone that during this lunch,

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<v Speaker 2>this fatal lunch, Aaron Patterson, as everyone will remember, mentions

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<v Speaker 2>at the end of it that she has cancer. And

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<v Speaker 2>there is debate around exactly what she said, but this

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<v Speaker 2>is what the prosecution of led off with. It was

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<v Speaker 2>one of the things that was in the opening addresses

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<v Speaker 2>and it's something that they've closed with as well. But

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<v Speaker 2>the defense point out Colin Mandy, who's Aaron Patterson's lawyer,

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<v Speaker 2>said that it's not a ruse because well, she didn't

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<v Speaker 2>tell them as a reason to get there. She's not

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<v Speaker 2>telling them, he says, say I've got cancer, come to lunch.

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<v Speaker 2>He's saying that this comes at the end of the lunch,

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<v Speaker 2>so it's not a ruse. He says that because she

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<v Speaker 2>never told them she was diagnosed with cancer, that it's

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<v Speaker 2>more of a like a ploy to get love and attention,

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<v Speaker 2>that she's an isolated woman, that she's living basically an

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<v Speaker 2>isolated life. That's the argument he's putting forward. Aaron Patterson,

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<v Speaker 2>no evidence said, you know, I'm not proud of this,

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<v Speaker 2>but I led them to believe that I might be

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<v Speaker 2>needing some treatment in regards to cancer. Ovariant cancer was mentioned.

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<v Speaker 2>She admitted to misleading them. Now, from the prosecution side

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<v Speaker 2>of things, they say that there was never going to

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<v Speaker 2>be a need for Aaron Patterson to account for her

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<v Speaker 2>cancer lie because they say she intended to kill her

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<v Speaker 2>lunch guests. They say her lie would die with them.

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<v Speaker 2>But there's also a reply from Aaron Patterson's cancel, Colin Mandy.

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<v Speaker 2>The barrister says, why tell them after the lunch because

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<v Speaker 2>they've consumed the meal, So what's the point.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Now, let's move on to the second deception, the

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<v Speaker 1>lethal doses of poison Aaron secreted in the beef Wellingtons

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<v Speaker 1>this is something that the prosecution claims.

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<v Speaker 2>So murder trials come down to intend. That's one of

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<v Speaker 2>the key elements of murder. And if you're deliberately secreting

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<v Speaker 2>poisonous mushrooms into a meal, that goes a long way

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<v Speaker 2>to intent. Colin Mandy Erin's lawyer disputes this by saying

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<v Speaker 2>that his client didn't deliberately put death cap mushrooms in

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<v Speaker 2>the meal. He says the three sources of mushrooms were

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<v Speaker 2>from Woolworth's, an Asian grosser, and foraged mushrooms, but we

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<v Speaker 2>don't know where the forage mushrooms necessarily came from. The

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<v Speaker 2>Prosecution say that Aaron Patterson's phone data shows that she

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<v Speaker 2>was in areas of Locke and outram In about April

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<v Speaker 2>May of twenty twenty three. Now, in those areas, as

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<v Speaker 2>you know Brook, there was an eye naturalist website where

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<v Speaker 2>it was indicated that death capt mushrooms were growing in

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<v Speaker 2>those areas, But there's no direct evidence that she picked

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<v Speaker 2>any mushrooms from these areas, so that will be something

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<v Speaker 2>the jury will likely deliberate on. And I should add

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<v Speaker 2>that the prosecution have led some evidence which show Aaron

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<v Speaker 2>Patterson weighing mushrooms during this period of time in twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty three, in April, and they say this is evidence

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<v Speaker 2>that she's, you know, got some mushrooms. She's weighing them

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<v Speaker 2>and she's looking for more. But the defense say there

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<v Speaker 2>were mushrooms Aaron Patterson foraged that were put into a container,

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<v Speaker 2>and after everybody gets sick, Aaron Patterson says she started

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<v Speaker 2>to worry that somehow they got mixed up together and

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<v Speaker 2>that death Cat mushrooms ended up in this meal by mistake,

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<v Speaker 2>and that she was never aware that she'd ever had

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<v Speaker 2>Deathcat mushrooms in her possession.

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<v Speaker 1>To listen to the full show, go to the links

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<v Speaker 1>in the description of this episode.