1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:03,080 Speaker 1: Hire listeners. As we said in our daily show, there 2 00:00:03,160 --> 00:00:05,760 Speaker 1: is no court sitting today, but we thought we would 3 00:00:05,800 --> 00:00:09,200 Speaker 1: give you another little taste of our Sunday subscriber show. 4 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:12,680 Speaker 1: We're up to the very last days of the trial 5 00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 1: of Aaron Patterson. The prosecution and the defense have spoken 6 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:19,560 Speaker 1: their last words and the only thing the jury has 7 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:23,160 Speaker 1: left to hear is from the presiding judge. As always, 8 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:27,160 Speaker 1: I'm joined by veteran crime reporter Anthony Dowsley to break 9 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 1: it all down. I'm Brooke Greeber Craig and this is 10 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:35,360 Speaker 1: the Mushroom Cook. Hi dows Welcome back for another episode. 11 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:39,560 Speaker 2: Hi Brooke, morewell's treating you well? I hope it's come 12 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:42,879 Speaker 2: to the very point to end at last. Was supposed 13 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:46,160 Speaker 2: to be what set down for six week five six 14 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 2: week trial, then they said it might be a month, 15 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:50,240 Speaker 2: and now it's going to be almost nine weeks in 16 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:50,599 Speaker 2: the end. 17 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 1: Yes, we're heading into the ninth week. So this week 18 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 1: we heard the closings from the prosecution and the defense. 19 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:05,039 Speaker 2: The highlights package. It's where both sides get to sum 20 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 2: up their case. It's not actual evidence, it's a summary 21 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 2: of the evidence, but it's persuasive argument as well. And 22 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:17,319 Speaker 2: that's where both the prosecution and the defense get to 23 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:20,679 Speaker 2: try and have their last well lash at the jury 24 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:24,560 Speaker 2: to say this is why you should either convict or 25 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:26,960 Speaker 2: not convict, guilty or not guilty. 26 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:31,839 Speaker 1: And Crown Prosecutor and Nannette Rogers really focused on five 27 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 1: deceptions during her summation, Dows, did you want to talk 28 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 1: our listeners through each one of them? Maybe we'll start 29 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 1: off with the first one, which was the fabricated cancer 30 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 1: claim Aaron used as a reason for the lunch. 31 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 2: And this is an interesting one because it's a deception 32 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 2: that caught the ears of everyone that during this lunch, 33 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 2: this fatal lunch, Aaron Patterson, as everyone will remember, mentions 34 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 2: at the end of it that she has cancer. And 35 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 2: there is debate around exactly what she said, but this 36 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 2: is what the prosecution of led off with. It was 37 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 2: one of the things that was in the opening addresses 38 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 2: and it's something that they've closed with as well. But 39 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:20,519 Speaker 2: the defense point out Colin Mandy, who's Aaron Patterson's lawyer, 40 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 2: said that it's not a ruse because well, she didn't 41 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 2: tell them as a reason to get there. She's not 42 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 2: telling them, he says, say I've got cancer, come to lunch. 43 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:34,919 Speaker 2: He's saying that this comes at the end of the lunch, 44 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 2: so it's not a ruse. He says that because she 45 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 2: never told them she was diagnosed with cancer, that it's 46 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 2: more of a like a ploy to get love and attention, 47 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 2: that she's an isolated woman, that she's living basically an 48 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 2: isolated life. That's the argument he's putting forward. Aaron Patterson, 49 00:02:57,680 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 2: no evidence said, you know, I'm not proud of this, 50 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 2: but I led them to believe that I might be 51 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 2: needing some treatment in regards to cancer. Ovariant cancer was mentioned. 52 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 2: She admitted to misleading them. Now, from the prosecution side 53 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:15,400 Speaker 2: of things, they say that there was never going to 54 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 2: be a need for Aaron Patterson to account for her 55 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:24,520 Speaker 2: cancer lie because they say she intended to kill her 56 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 2: lunch guests. They say her lie would die with them. 57 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 2: But there's also a reply from Aaron Patterson's cancel, Colin Mandy. 58 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 2: The barrister says, why tell them after the lunch because 59 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 2: they've consumed the meal, So what's the point. 60 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 1: Okay, Now, let's move on to the second deception, the 61 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 1: lethal doses of poison Aaron secreted in the beef Wellingtons 62 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 1: this is something that the prosecution claims. 63 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 2: So murder trials come down to intend. That's one of 64 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 2: the key elements of murder. And if you're deliberately secreting 65 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 2: poisonous mushrooms into a meal, that goes a long way 66 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 2: to intent. Colin Mandy Erin's lawyer disputes this by saying 67 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 2: that his client didn't deliberately put death cap mushrooms in 68 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:26,720 Speaker 2: the meal. He says the three sources of mushrooms were 69 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 2: from Woolworth's, an Asian grosser, and foraged mushrooms, but we 70 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 2: don't know where the forage mushrooms necessarily came from. The 71 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 2: Prosecution say that Aaron Patterson's phone data shows that she 72 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:48,280 Speaker 2: was in areas of Locke and outram In about April 73 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:53,720 Speaker 2: May of twenty twenty three. Now, in those areas, as 74 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:58,240 Speaker 2: you know Brook, there was an eye naturalist website where 75 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:01,479 Speaker 2: it was indicated that death capt mushrooms were growing in 76 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:06,559 Speaker 2: those areas, But there's no direct evidence that she picked 77 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:12,039 Speaker 2: any mushrooms from these areas, so that will be something 78 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 2: the jury will likely deliberate on. And I should add 79 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:21,720 Speaker 2: that the prosecution have led some evidence which show Aaron 80 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:27,559 Speaker 2: Patterson weighing mushrooms during this period of time in twenty 81 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 2: twenty three, in April, and they say this is evidence 82 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 2: that she's, you know, got some mushrooms. She's weighing them 83 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 2: and she's looking for more. But the defense say there 84 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 2: were mushrooms Aaron Patterson foraged that were put into a container, 85 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 2: and after everybody gets sick, Aaron Patterson says she started 86 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 2: to worry that somehow they got mixed up together and 87 00:05:57,279 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 2: that death Cat mushrooms ended up in this meal by mistake, 88 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 2: and that she was never aware that she'd ever had 89 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 2: Deathcat mushrooms in her possession. 90 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:11,480 Speaker 1: To listen to the full show, go to the links 91 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:22,279 Speaker 1: in the description of this episode.