WEBVTT - The Late Debate | 29 October

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<v Speaker 1>General Man, welcome the late base.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, good evening.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm James Macpherson with Lizta and Caleb Bond. Great to

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<v Speaker 3>have your company. We all know that Australia is becoming

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<v Speaker 3>a highly litigious society, but of course the United States

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<v Speaker 3>is next level. We'll talk a bit later about a

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<v Speaker 3>woman who's swing an airline because they served her an

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<v Speaker 3>inflight ice cream without telling her it was icy.

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<v Speaker 2>Get to that a little later.

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<v Speaker 3>Plus, when we look at the papers, the COVID pandemic

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<v Speaker 3>Response report has been released. It's pretty scathing of the

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<v Speaker 3>pandemic response, describing it as a betrayal of trust. And

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<v Speaker 3>Anthony Albinezi is not the only labor MP receiving freebies

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<v Speaker 3>from quantas who knew. We'll get to all of that

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<v Speaker 3>when we look at tomorrow's newspapers, but first, the Victorian

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<v Speaker 3>government is set to introduce major changes to its judicial

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<v Speaker 3>system in a bid to protect complainants in domestic violence

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<v Speaker 3>and sexual abuse cases from being re traumatized by the

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<v Speaker 3>court's says. The proposed changes mean complainants would not be

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<v Speaker 3>allowed to be cross examined before a trial, so instead

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<v Speaker 3>of giving evidence at a committal hearing and then again,

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<v Speaker 3>if the matter was deemed worthy of going to court,

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<v Speaker 3>they would only need to give evidence at a trial.

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<v Speaker 3>The Attorney General in Victoria, Jacqueline Symes, said survivors of

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<v Speaker 3>sexual offenses, stalking and family violence deserve justice, not further trauma.

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<v Speaker 3>These reforms will ease the burden of repeated testimony, helping

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<v Speaker 3>them move through court proceedings and get on with their lives.

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<v Speaker 3>Committal proceedings have evolved over time, she said, the need updating.

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<v Speaker 3>That's why we're modernizing them by streamlining processes and removing

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<v Speaker 3>the committal test now, calebn Lis, I'm sure you would

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<v Speaker 3>agree it's a noble endeavor to try to make the

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<v Speaker 3>court process as easy as possible, particularly for people who

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<v Speaker 3>are later found to have been victims of things as

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<v Speaker 3>horrific as sexual abuse. But of course we've also got

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<v Speaker 3>a legal system that is and must continue to be

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<v Speaker 3>based on a presumption of innocence, which would seem to

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<v Speaker 3>be violated if you're moving an accusation straight to trial

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<v Speaker 3>without a committal process. On top of that, procedural fairness demands,

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<v Speaker 3>does it not that if you're accused, you should be

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<v Speaker 3>allowed to examine the evidence against you before you find

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<v Speaker 3>yourself on trial, and of course then there's always the

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<v Speaker 3>matter of unintended consequences where you could end up with

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<v Speaker 3>matters going to court that should never have gone to

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<v Speaker 3>court in the first place, which just clogs up the

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<v Speaker 3>courts and ends up costing taxpayers a lot of money.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's a fine idea and I think we'd all

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<v Speaker 3>support the intention, sure, but is it really something that's

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<v Speaker 3>workable and does it keep the integrity of the court system.

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<v Speaker 4>Firstly, what on earth is going on in Victoria? Just

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<v Speaker 4>last week we discovered that they are slashing the amount

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<v Speaker 4>of children's courts in Victoria by more than half bite

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<v Speaker 4>youth crime in Victoria being at a fourteen year high.

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<v Speaker 4>Last night we were talking about Victorian magistrates being lectured

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<v Speaker 4>on how to sentence a non citizen child molesta in

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<v Speaker 4>such a way that it won't result in their deportation,

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<v Speaker 4>And tonight we're talking about this potential new move in

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<v Speaker 4>their courts, which, like you say, wonderful, wonderful aim. We

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<v Speaker 4>can all get around that, but at the end of

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<v Speaker 4>the day, this unquestionably erodes the rights of the accused.

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<v Speaker 2>How on earth is a.

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<v Speaker 4>Defense team supposed to put their case together without asking

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<v Speaker 4>the necessary questions.

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<v Speaker 2>Before trial, because if we are.

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<v Speaker 4>Going without cross examination, that's exactly what we're talking about.

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<v Speaker 4>And cross examination is so important also because not all

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<v Speaker 4>accusers are entirely honest, and that's what they are at

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<v Speaker 4>this point in the game. They are complainants. They are

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<v Speaker 4>not victors. Nothing has been proved in a court of law.

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<v Speaker 4>So this complainant gets to state their case and that's it,

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<v Speaker 4>and how on earth is a judge then supposed to

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<v Speaker 4>come to a clue as to whether this is trial worthy.

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<v Speaker 4>This will undoubtedly also end up in more trials then,

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<v Speaker 4>because you don't want to risk telling a potential legitimate victim, Sorry,

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<v Speaker 4>your case doesn't sound legit enough, We're just going to

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<v Speaker 4>clear up the courts, not send all these to trial,

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<v Speaker 4>and well, sorry about that.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't get your proper day in court.

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<v Speaker 4>So whichever way you look at this, it seems to

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<v Speaker 4>be completely ineffective.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, Jacquelin Simes has suggested that this would help prevent trials.

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<v Speaker 1>She says she wants fewer trials to go ahead.

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<v Speaker 5>Now, there is one means by which this could possibly

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<v Speaker 5>result in fewer trials, and that is that you simply

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<v Speaker 5>plead guilty in the first instance, instead of pleading not

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<v Speaker 5>guilty and then going to a trial. Because of course,

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<v Speaker 5>what we're talking about here is cases that would end

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<v Speaker 5>up at trial that haven't been tested before going there.

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<v Speaker 5>So if you go, well, hell, I know I'm going

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<v Speaker 5>to have to go through all this nonsense anyway, there's

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<v Speaker 5>no chance that this might be thrown out at the

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<v Speaker 5>committal stage. Then I'm just going to plead guilty and

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<v Speaker 5>let's just get it over with, ill cop, whatever the

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<v Speaker 5>damage is here, because I don't want to go through

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<v Speaker 5>the further damage that going to a trial will cause me.

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<v Speaker 5>The legal system, the justice system is based on a

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<v Speaker 5>very basic principle of innocent until proven guilty, and of

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<v Speaker 5>course it is far better for ten guilty men to

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<v Speaker 5>go free than for one innocent man to be locked

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<v Speaker 5>up or woman for that matter, or they them as

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<v Speaker 5>it might be in the current circumstances. And I know

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<v Speaker 5>that is uncomfortable for some people, and everyone feels like

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<v Speaker 5>if they are a victim, that they ought to be

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<v Speaker 5>vindicated by the court. But you cannot have such a

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<v Speaker 5>system without also locking up people who ought not be there.

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<v Speaker 5>I know it's difficult to understand, but it is the

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<v Speaker 5>least worst option to have a system that properly tests

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<v Speaker 5>everything and if it meets the required threshold, well yes

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<v Speaker 5>you're off to jail and you've got the new South

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<v Speaker 5>Wales DPP, for instance, in recent years has been accused

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<v Speaker 5>of running rape cases in particular which they knew they

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<v Speaker 5>had no chance of actually achieving a conviction. There have

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<v Speaker 5>been inquiries into all of this because the DPP has

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<v Speaker 5>wasted its time on cases that simply could not achieve

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<v Speaker 5>a result. That's what the committal stage is for, so

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<v Speaker 5>the court can look at it and go, hang on,

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<v Speaker 5>we don't have enough evidence here that if it goes

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<v Speaker 5>to trial that anything could possibly be achieved. So you

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<v Speaker 5>end up in more public money being spent. You end

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<v Speaker 5>up with victims potentially being left up the garden path,

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<v Speaker 5>or alleged victims being led up the garden path and

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<v Speaker 5>told by the DPP whatever the equivalent is in Victoria

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<v Speaker 5>that you don't worry, They're going to plead not guilty

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<v Speaker 5>and we'll go to trial and it'll all be hunky dory. Well,

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<v Speaker 5>a case that could potentially have been sorted six months earlier,

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<v Speaker 5>they'll actually have to go through the full trial stage.

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<v Speaker 5>And then get to a decision of not guilty because

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<v Speaker 5>they didn't have enough evidence to begin with.

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<v Speaker 1>Tell me how that's good for victim.

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<v Speaker 3>Back to the intention of trying to do good for victims.

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<v Speaker 3>If they really want to do that, the better way

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<v Speaker 3>rather than mucking around with a committal process, is up

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<v Speaker 3>the punishments and the sentencing for those who are found

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<v Speaker 3>guilty of domestic violence of sexual abuse, and make the

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<v Speaker 3>sentencing reflect the community outrage and the seriousness of these crimes.

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<v Speaker 3>If you want to support victims, do that, punish these perpetrators,

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<v Speaker 3>do it harshly, have mandatory sentencing, and I think the

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<v Speaker 3>community would be much more satisfied. And that's a better

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<v Speaker 3>way to show compassion to victims. Give out proper sentence.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, but as we discussed last night, that's not necessarily

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<v Speaker 5>the first thing in the minds of the judiciary in

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<v Speaker 5>Victoria at the moment.

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<v Speaker 1>As Liz described before, some extraordinary.

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<v Speaker 5>Stuff keeps coming out of that state, and of course

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<v Speaker 5>it always seems to come out of Victoria. Now let's

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<v Speaker 5>turn our attention to the United States. It is precisely

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<v Speaker 5>a week until ballots will be cast over there, and

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<v Speaker 5>I know you're waiting for it just as much as

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<v Speaker 5>I Am Kamala Harris has realized. Despite a week ago

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<v Speaker 5>in an interview with the NBC playing down the fact

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<v Speaker 5>that she has a problem with male votes, she's finally

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<v Speaker 5>realized that she does. Now. The polling at the moment

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<v Speaker 5>shows that Harris leads with women fifty.

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<v Speaker 1>Four percent, but it's forty two percent with.

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<v Speaker 5>Men, whereas with Trump it is forty one percent with

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<v Speaker 5>women and fifty five percent with men, particularly young men.

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<v Speaker 5>And that is important because people will try to spin

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<v Speaker 5>all of this that, oh, it's a sexist thing, that, oh,

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<v Speaker 5>my god, men don't want to vote for a war. No,

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<v Speaker 5>it's not about men not wanting to vote for a woman,

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<v Speaker 5>particularly young men who've been raised in an era of

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<v Speaker 5>equality more than anyone else who's come before them. No,

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<v Speaker 5>they're reacting to the culture in the United States, and

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<v Speaker 5>they can actually see through the fact that Biden has

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<v Speaker 5>been a total disaster and Harris would be a continuation

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<v Speaker 5>of that. But let's get back to the point. She's

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<v Speaker 5>finally realized she has a problem. So she sits down

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<v Speaker 5>with Gretchen Whitner, who's a governor in the United States,

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<v Speaker 5>and trying to have just a quiet conversation in a

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<v Speaker 5>public place.

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<v Speaker 1>We have.

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<v Speaker 2>Everything. They didn't realize that.

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<v Speaker 5>All these boom mics, I didn't realize they were there.

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<v Speaker 5>Is she genuinely the stupidest person to have run for president?

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<v Speaker 5>That was either entirely deliberate to put some sort of

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<v Speaker 5>message out there that, you know, the is something going

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<v Speaker 5>on with men here. We've got to turn this around,

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<v Speaker 5>or she is genuinely dumb.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure which is worse.

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<v Speaker 3>Straight after that clip that we show, she leans back

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<v Speaker 3>and she says, we're drinking a beer, and then she

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<v Speaker 3>uses an expletive, which is clearly an appeal to men

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<v Speaker 3>to say, you know, I'm just like you guys.

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<v Speaker 4>We're all so manly here, look at us with our

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<v Speaker 4>beer and swear.

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<v Speaker 3>But I mean, they do have a problem with men.

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<v Speaker 3>Sixty percent of registered Democrats women, and half of those

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<v Speaker 3>are college educated, and all the latest research says that

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<v Speaker 3>college educated women are much more concerned about LGBTQ rights

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<v Speaker 3>and about equality than men. And I went on the

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<v Speaker 3>Democrats website. They've got a section that it says who

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<v Speaker 3>we serve, and they've got sixteen demographics listed. I won't

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<v Speaker 3>read them all, but here's a taste, African Americans, Americans

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<v Speaker 3>with disabilities, Latinos, Native Americans, the LGBTQ community, young people, students, women.

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<v Speaker 3>We can go on on sixteen different demographic groups. You

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<v Speaker 3>know the one that is missing though, no men, no men,

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<v Speaker 3>men not. Is that an oversight or is this libriate?

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<v Speaker 5>They could have just used one word that encompassed all

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<v Speaker 5>of them.

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<v Speaker 4>Americans, Americans, sub Americans.

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<v Speaker 2>How hard would that doo?

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<v Speaker 4>We stand for, which is what everyone wants to hear.

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<v Speaker 4>If someone is running for the president of your country

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<v Speaker 4>or prime minister in our case, you just say I

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<v Speaker 4>stand to represent all Australians.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't want to.

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<v Speaker 4>Hear someone being like these categories in particular. And when

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<v Speaker 4>you look at how strongly she's leading with the female

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<v Speaker 4>vote it's fifty four to Trump's forty two. I think

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<v Speaker 4>it is such a sound argument for us to do

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<v Speaker 4>away with the female vote.

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<v Speaker 2>I know I known't hear me out.

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<v Speaker 4>Though hear me out because across the Western world, which

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<v Speaker 4>is basically the only places women can vote, they always

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<v Speaker 4>side with the left. I can only speak for myself,

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<v Speaker 4>but I'm happy to give it up with those of

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<v Speaker 4>their main concerns. Do you think of how it would

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<v Speaker 4>transform politics in the West if all these politicians weren't

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<v Speaker 4>trying to appeal to these women rather than population roughly

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<v Speaker 4>fifty presented the population to try and appeal to them

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<v Speaker 4>with all their we care about lefty issues. I do

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<v Speaker 4>declare that even if the suffragettes knew just how badly

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<v Speaker 4>the right that they were fighting for wouldn't be abused

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<v Speaker 4>in the future, and how badly it would have so

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<v Speaker 4>many poor outcomes for the Western Empire that once was,

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<v Speaker 4>they may not have four they may not have fought

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<v Speaker 4>so violently. Indeed, some of them died in the pursuit

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<v Speaker 4>of this cause. I genuinely think whenever I see these

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<v Speaker 4>polls and it happens every single Western election where women

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<v Speaker 4>are like, we just found all the touchy feely issues

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<v Speaker 4>and we're going to vote for the left, I'm like,

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<v Speaker 4>you know what, I would be more than happy to

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<v Speaker 4>just go leave it to the men for the greater

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<v Speaker 4>good Ian.

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<v Speaker 1>Will she is.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I never know what's going to come out

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<v Speaker 3>of your mouth, but I've got to say tonight you've

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<v Speaker 3>totally surprised you.

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<v Speaker 4>Specifically specifically with this election. Right, so we know the

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<v Speaker 4>Dems ran very hard on abortion, and we've once again

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<v Speaker 4>found out you give women the vote, their number one

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<v Speaker 4>political concern is being able to eliminate their progeny unborn.

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<v Speaker 2>And once again I'm just like again, I'd happily leave

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<v Speaker 2>it to.

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<v Speaker 4>The men, because then you have entire powerful political parties.

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<v Speaker 4>But bending over backwards, almost running on a single issue.

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<v Speaker 4>That's what the Dems have done this time round. It's

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<v Speaker 4>a highly emotive issue, it's a highly controversial issue. They

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<v Speaker 4>knew exactly what they were doing, and I do not

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<v Speaker 4>believe given the sheer state of Kamala Harris that had

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<v Speaker 4>not been one of the bastions, if not the bastion

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<v Speaker 4>of the Democratic camp pain, that woman vote would not

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<v Speaker 4>be this high.

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<v Speaker 2>Period.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, I can't buy too much into into the where

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<v Speaker 5>the women should have the vote discussion, because that's no.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't advise it away from that. I assume you

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<v Speaker 1>identify as a woman.

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<v Speaker 4>I just want to check I do not identify woman.

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<v Speaker 5>But it would be the same if it was Biden

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<v Speaker 5>still running, right, And I think to go to the

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<v Speaker 5>women's issue thing, right, because there's there's an expectation among

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<v Speaker 5>someone we go back to Hillary's campaign, who was it

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<v Speaker 5>that the name escapes me. Famous feminist said, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>any woman who doesn't support other women has a special

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<v Speaker 5>place in hell. I can't remember who it was it

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<v Speaker 5>was campaigning for Hillary at the time. I'm sure someone

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<v Speaker 5>will be able to send me an email very quickly

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<v Speaker 5>and tell me who it was. But if it was

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<v Speaker 5>a female Republican candidate, you wouldn't see the same results

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<v Speaker 5>in terms of the great support from women, because it's

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<v Speaker 5>not about the woman or man thing. It's about the

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<v Speaker 5>left right, and as you said, particularly people who have.

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<v Speaker 1>A college education.

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<v Speaker 5>And speaking of women for Kamala Harris, she had such

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<v Speaker 5>a rally rally might be a stretch, but anyway, she

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<v Speaker 5>has such a rally in Michigan.

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<v Speaker 1>Women for Harris and Watts and have a look at

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<v Speaker 1>the turnout.

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<v Speaker 5>Let's get to work and get out the vote for

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<v Speaker 5>Kamala Harris and Jim Wallace.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, what a ripper that is. Compare and contrast

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<v Speaker 1>with Trump.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm not going to talk about women for Trump if

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<v Speaker 5>for the allegations to be believed, there are plenty of

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<v Speaker 5>women who have been interested in Trump over the years.

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<v Speaker 5>But I mean, you know, if that's the best she

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<v Speaker 5>can pull in terms of if she's leading the female

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<v Speaker 5>votes so well, and she has a woman for Harris

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<v Speaker 5>rally and that's the best do I mean? It would

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<v Speaker 5>seem that across the board, the enthusiasm for Harris has

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<v Speaker 5>just died, Like in the last month, the enthusiasm has

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<v Speaker 5>just totally gone away. All of that wind that she

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<v Speaker 5>got behind her when she replaced Biden has disappeared, and

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<v Speaker 5>she's in serious true.

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<v Speaker 3>We're looking at the tiny crowd she was addressing there.

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<v Speaker 3>It reminded me, was it just last week that she

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<v Speaker 3>abused a Christian who dared to voice out opposition lord

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<v Speaker 3>to her abortion policy, and she chastigated this Christian saying,

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<v Speaker 3>I think there's a smaller meeting down the road that

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<v Speaker 3>you can't get much smaller than Kamala Harris.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think we've.

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<v Speaker 4>Seen any Trump gatherings being smaller than the dam gatherings.

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<v Speaker 4>Can you remember how small they were back into twenty

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<v Speaker 4>twenty when Biden was running and we just kept looping

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<v Speaker 4>footage of these tiny little get together as people going here,

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<v Speaker 4>I go Biden. Hardly anyone showed out for him. But

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<v Speaker 4>if you needed any further proof that the mail in

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<v Speaker 4>ballot voting system in America is forraught.

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<v Speaker 2>Look no further than this headline.

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<v Speaker 4>One mail in ballot's box has been lit on fire

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<v Speaker 4>in Oregon and another in Washington, very very blue states these.

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<v Speaker 4>Oregon has voted Democratic in the last eight federal elections.

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<v Speaker 4>Washington has been blue since nineteen eighty eight. So you

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<v Speaker 4>do wonder who lit these on fire and why. But

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<v Speaker 4>it also points to this ridiculous system, right because here

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<v Speaker 4>in Australia we two have mail in ballots, but you.

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<v Speaker 2>Just put them in a normal post office box.

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<v Speaker 4>It's only in America they advertise this is a mail.

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<v Speaker 2>In ballot box. Put all your mail in.

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<v Speaker 4>Ballots here, enabling someone with nefarious intentions to then just

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<v Speaker 4>drop a little flame inside. Here's what the Tomaha County

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<v Speaker 4>Elections Division said about their fire. Fire suppressant inside the

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<v Speaker 4>ballot box protected virtually all the ballots they reckon. Only

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<v Speaker 4>three ballots were damaged. Voters should be assured that even

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<v Speaker 4>if their ballots were in the affected box, their votes

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<v Speaker 4>will be counted. But take a look at this footage

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<v Speaker 4>of the box in Washington. Something tells me that these

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<v Speaker 4>ballots won't be able to be counted.

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<v Speaker 2>We're basically talking about a pile of ashes there.

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<v Speaker 4>Washington says that potentially hundreds of ballots were burnt to

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<v Speaker 4>a crisp Why can't these guys just come up with

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<v Speaker 4>the same system as.

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<v Speaker 2>Ows, where their normal.

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<v Speaker 4>Postal mailing system is making sure these ballots arrive safely,

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<v Speaker 4>as opposed to special postage boxes where they're like, hey,

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<v Speaker 4>if you want to mess with the election result, mess

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<v Speaker 4>with these boxes.

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<v Speaker 2>You're advertising for trouble.

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<v Speaker 3>The other strange thing about this is you can't do

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<v Speaker 3>anything anywhere without CCTV footage capturing you, right, and yet

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<v Speaker 3>here are these ballot boxes, which, as you rightly point out,

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<v Speaker 3>basically is a big sign saying if you want to mess.

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<v Speaker 1>With the election, here's where to do it.

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<v Speaker 3>You'd think that'd have some cameras on the thing, but

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<v Speaker 3>there's no vision, there's no footage. So it looks like

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<v Speaker 3>these two instances are connected. It's clearly deliberate, it's nefarious,

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<v Speaker 3>but there's no clue as to who's doing this.

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<v Speaker 4>Or what They did find the same volvo, and no

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<v Speaker 4>doubt that was due to CCTV footage. I'm sure whoever

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<v Speaker 4>did this was smart enough to wear a ballet, lava

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<v Speaker 4>or something.

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<v Speaker 3>Confirms everything I've always thought about Volvo driver.

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<v Speaker 2>Which is what everyone knows. That are a few Volvo drivers.

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<v Speaker 1>My sister drives a Volved. Now we know what you're

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<v Speaker 1>thinking your system. Hello person.

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<v Speaker 5>I always thought Volvo drivers were boring people. I didn't

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<v Speaker 5>think they'd have it in them.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, come on, classy car.

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<v Speaker 1>Hello to Peter Gooz.

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<v Speaker 5>If you're watching South Australian viewers will know who I'm

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<v Speaker 5>talking about. He's been driving around in a banged out

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<v Speaker 5>old Volve over about fifty years. But it just goes

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<v Speaker 5>to prove how divided the United States is that you

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<v Speaker 5>would take it upon yourself to go and set fire

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<v Speaker 5>to other people's balance, Like it would be one thing

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<v Speaker 5>to try and steal the box or try and break

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<v Speaker 5>into it and take those ballot papers away, to actually

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<v Speaker 5>set fire to it.

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<v Speaker 1>What you're not just saying, oh, I'm.

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<v Speaker 5>Setting fire to some voting papers. You're actually saying, I

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<v Speaker 5>want to set fire to democracy. You are trying to

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<v Speaker 5>subvert the system of democracy. That is what that means.

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<v Speaker 5>And whether they meant that symbolism or not, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 5>but it was a pretty good example of it.

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<v Speaker 1>If that's what they meant, I mean that is I

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<v Speaker 1>could not think of anything.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, I probably could think of something more disgraceful, but

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<v Speaker 5>it is hard to think of an act that is

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<v Speaker 5>so overt in saying I want to do away with

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<v Speaker 5>democracy then literally setting fire to ballot paper.

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<v Speaker 4>But if that's what their intention was, why on earth

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<v Speaker 4>would you do it in two dead blue states?

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<v Speaker 2>They have been blue forever. Nobody is thinking that these

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<v Speaker 2>two states are going to flip. We're talking about Oregon

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<v Speaker 2>and Washington.

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<v Speaker 4>So if you wanted to subvert democracy, you'd at least

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<v Speaker 4>be smart enough to try this on in a swing state.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>That's like, this is going to be the dumbest arsonist ever.

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<v Speaker 3>The rumor online is that it's Antifa who are responsible,

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<v Speaker 3>who have the stated goal of making America ungovernable. But

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<v Speaker 3>no one ever argued that ANTIQUA members were smart. So

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<v Speaker 3>there you go, speaking of no one ever arguing that

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<v Speaker 3>such and such are smart. Let's talk about local government,

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<v Speaker 3>which continues to provide much amusement. In South Australia, a

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<v Speaker 3>council staffer is suing the council for workers' compensation. Now,

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<v Speaker 3>many of us work from home, and it's.

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<v Speaker 1>Quite a privilege.

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<v Speaker 3>This particular council worker was working from home and at

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<v Speaker 3>the same time minding a colleague's dog, so the council

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<v Speaker 3>worker put up at home a little sixty centimeter metal

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<v Speaker 3>fence to make sure the colleague's dog, which she was

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<v Speaker 3>mining while working from home, didn't get to her rabbit

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<v Speaker 3>at her home arrangements well, during a coffee break one morning,

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<v Speaker 3>she tripped over the fence that she herself had erected,

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<v Speaker 3>hurting her leg, having to go to hospital by ambulance,

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<v Speaker 3>and now she successfully sued the council for workers' compensation.

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<v Speaker 3>When the first hearing occurred, the insurer maintained that the

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<v Speaker 3>erection of the pet fence across the walkway, creating a

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<v Speaker 3>clear and unusual hazard without the council's direction or approval,

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<v Speaker 3>meant the injury was not caused by her employment. But

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<v Speaker 3>the woman went to the South Australian Employment Court and

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<v Speaker 3>they found that she had created the hazard. The hazard

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<v Speaker 3>was not known to council, and yet that did not

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<v Speaker 3>mean that it was unrelated to her employment, because they

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<v Speaker 3>said the council had encouraged flexible working arrangements from home

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<v Speaker 3>and had actually said that you could take regular breaks

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<v Speaker 3>when working at home and quote unquote enjoy time with

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<v Speaker 3>your dog. So she tripped over a fence she'd created

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<v Speaker 3>to enjoy time with her colleagues's dog. The council are

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<v Speaker 3>now responsible and a compensation payout will be determined in

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<v Speaker 3>the coming weeks. I mean, personal responsibility is completely gone now.

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<v Speaker 3>I remember years ago a maid of mine who if

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<v Speaker 3>I named him, you would know who this is, and

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<v Speaker 3>he was staying it I think, at novertel and it

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<v Speaker 3>was raining one night. He got back to the hotel,

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<v Speaker 3>he got out of the taxi and he slipped on

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<v Speaker 3>the driveway, hurting his ankle, and he was telling me

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<v Speaker 3>I soon and I got to pay out for such

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<v Speaker 3>and such, And I remember being flabbergasted that you would

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<v Speaker 3>even I would never even thought.

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<v Speaker 1>To have done that.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, it was raining, I slept in the rain

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<v Speaker 3>exactly understood. Well, they'll be liable and it's it's all

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<v Speaker 3>just insurance, right, But of course we all end paying

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<v Speaker 3>through the nose every time we have to pay our

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<v Speaker 3>own premium.

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<v Speaker 5>I can't remember the name of the case now, but

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<v Speaker 5>when I was a court report, you'd come across these

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<v Speaker 5>weird sort of workers' compo cases, and the case law

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<v Speaker 5>would always refer back to someone who would suit a

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<v Speaker 5>supermarket for having slipped on something on the floor in there.

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<v Speaker 5>I can't remember it's quite a famous case. But I mean,

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<v Speaker 5>this should be the end of working from home. I've

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<v Speaker 5>been campaigning for this for so long. This should be

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<v Speaker 5>the nail in the coffin for working from home, because

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<v Speaker 5>if this is to be followed through, and this sets

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<v Speaker 5>the precedent, that means that employers are now responsible for

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<v Speaker 5>the workplace, that being people's houses and the condition that

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<v Speaker 5>those houses are kept in. And I put to one

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<v Speaker 5>of our bosses earlier today that because I do.

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<v Speaker 1>A portion of my work from home, like I come.

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<v Speaker 5>Into the studio at night, but during the day we're

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<v Speaker 5>working out what stories we're going to talk about, and

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<v Speaker 5>we have phone calls and all this sort of stuff

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<v Speaker 5>that's work I'm doing from home.

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<v Speaker 1>So I climb up.

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<v Speaker 5>The stairs, half pissed in the afternoon and do myself

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<v Speaker 5>a miss day drinking.

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<v Speaker 2>Are we out and happened?

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<v Speaker 1>That explains a number of our phone calls. I might

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<v Speaker 1>have had a couple of glasses as much.

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<v Speaker 5>But anyway, if I go up the stairs and give

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<v Speaker 5>myself above me, does that then mean that Sky News

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<v Speaker 5>is responsible because that was an injury I sustained in

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<v Speaker 5>my workplace. If that is seriously the precedent that is

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<v Speaker 5>now going to be said, why would any business ever

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<v Speaker 5>allow anyone to work from home without I don't know,

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<v Speaker 5>seeting an ock health and safety officer out to inspect

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<v Speaker 5>your house proper and make sure that it's up to

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<v Speaker 5>spec It's just insane.

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<v Speaker 4>What means this story even crazier is that she had

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<v Speaker 4>erected this sixty centimeter fence in.

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<v Speaker 2>The doorway off her home office just.

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<v Speaker 4>The day before, so she put it up the day

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<v Speaker 4>after she trips over it. So how was her workplace

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<v Speaker 4>ever supposed to know that this had occurred? But get this,

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<v Speaker 4>she also had neglected, at any point in her working

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<v Speaker 4>from home tenure, to fill out the form that the

0:26:08.640 --> 0:26:13.399
<v Speaker 4>employer had given her regarding the required working from home

0:26:13.600 --> 0:26:16.760
<v Speaker 4>safety checklist. If you've worked from home at any point,

0:26:17.000 --> 0:26:19.320
<v Speaker 4>your employer has probably required you to fill in one

0:26:19.320 --> 0:26:22.080
<v Speaker 4>of these. I know during COVID I had to because

0:26:22.119 --> 0:26:25.199
<v Speaker 4>that's their due diligence done. So not only has she

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<v Speaker 4>never filled it in, but the day before she tripped

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<v Speaker 4>over it was the day she put it up.

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<v Speaker 2>How can they possibly be liable for this?

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<v Speaker 4>By this line of reasoning, I could put up some

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<v Speaker 4>sort of laser beam. I don't know, those the ones

0:26:41.000 --> 0:26:42.600
<v Speaker 4>that you see in spy movies where you've got to

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<v Speaker 4>crawl through all the lasers. Put it up in my house,

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<v Speaker 4>be working from.

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<v Speaker 2>Home that day.

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<v Speaker 4>Forget I've put it up, burn myself to a crisp,

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<v Speaker 4>and sue my employer.

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<v Speaker 3>That is exactly what you'd expect this story. Most people

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<v Speaker 3>would put up like a little metal fence.

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<v Speaker 1>You put up late laser beams.

0:26:58.359 --> 0:27:00.000
<v Speaker 2>I got to keep that bunny rabbit safe.

0:27:00.080 --> 0:27:01.440
<v Speaker 3>When you talk about you know, you have to fill

0:27:01.440 --> 0:27:03.159
<v Speaker 3>out all this working from home stuff, and we have

0:27:03.200 --> 0:27:05.200
<v Speaker 3>to do it at Sky right. It takes forever. You're

0:27:05.240 --> 0:27:07.280
<v Speaker 3>on your laptop and they say, you know, have you

0:27:07.320 --> 0:27:09.640
<v Speaker 3>made sure your chair is ergonomically comfortable?

0:27:10.280 --> 0:27:11.679
<v Speaker 2>Why on earth are we having to do all this?

0:27:11.960 --> 0:27:12.760
<v Speaker 2>Now we know why.

0:27:12.880 --> 0:27:18.080
<v Speaker 3>It's employers trying to protect themselves from unscrupulous employees such

0:27:18.160 --> 0:27:19.520
<v Speaker 3>as you said that you would be.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I didn't say I would be unscrupulous.

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<v Speaker 2>That sounds that you already are.

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<v Speaker 1>I was just saying.

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<v Speaker 5>I was just saying, if it ever eventuates, I just

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<v Speaker 5>know what I can do now. James was doodling away

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<v Speaker 5>on his piece of paper there while Liz was talking

0:27:31.880 --> 0:27:34.200
<v Speaker 5>look like a pram or something, So you're already planning

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<v Speaker 5>what you're got rammed.

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<v Speaker 3>The other lesson from this for employers is when you're

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<v Speaker 3>interviewing people, you really need to be careful that the

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<v Speaker 3>kind of people you're interviewing are not the sort of

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<v Speaker 3>people who would be likely to complain Wine Wings lead

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<v Speaker 3>Laques shift, go legal it the first thing.

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<v Speaker 5>Lead question, lead the questioning all interviews from now on.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you plan on building any things in your living room?

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<v Speaker 1>Or the memes.

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<v Speaker 5>So now we know the circumstance under which you can

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<v Speaker 5>get compensation.

0:28:04.320 --> 0:28:07.320
<v Speaker 1>You fall over a fence that you built in your.

0:28:07.200 --> 0:28:10.600
<v Speaker 5>Own home and the worker compo comes through. So people

0:28:10.600 --> 0:28:13.199
<v Speaker 5>who'd like a bit more compensation of farmers down in

0:28:13.359 --> 0:28:16.239
<v Speaker 5>Victoria Now we've known for a long time that there

0:28:16.280 --> 0:28:19.399
<v Speaker 5>will have to be swathes of new power lines built

0:28:19.400 --> 0:28:22.960
<v Speaker 5>through the middle of Victoria for an interconnector between Victoria

0:28:23.080 --> 0:28:26.000
<v Speaker 5>and New South Wales in order to make the grid

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<v Speaker 5>work with all this new renewable energy that.

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<v Speaker 1>Is coming online.

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<v Speaker 5>Now this has to go through the middle of Prime

0:28:32.080 --> 0:28:34.919
<v Speaker 5>agricultural land, and of course farmers have been kicking up

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<v Speaker 5>a stink, wanting to know exactly where these lines are

0:28:38.600 --> 0:28:41.280
<v Speaker 5>going to go, how much of their land is going

0:28:41.320 --> 0:28:44.600
<v Speaker 5>to be taken away. The Victorian government has until this

0:28:44.720 --> 0:28:47.800
<v Speaker 5>point kept its secret. Now they're apparently going to make

0:28:47.840 --> 0:28:51.520
<v Speaker 5>it public next week, but the Weekly Times has seen

0:28:52.120 --> 0:28:54.720
<v Speaker 5>already where they are going to go and have dutifully

0:28:54.720 --> 0:28:59.200
<v Speaker 5>revealed the line, which you can see on your screen there. Now,

0:28:59.360 --> 0:29:03.920
<v Speaker 5>this thing will stretch two hundred and forty kilometers right,

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<v Speaker 5>and it will be roughly seventy to eighty meters wide.

0:29:08.120 --> 0:29:11.600
<v Speaker 5>So we're talking some farmers are going to have kilometers

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<v Speaker 5>in length taken out of their land to the tune

0:29:14.760 --> 0:29:19.200
<v Speaker 5>of seventy or eighty meters wide, not an insignificant part

0:29:19.200 --> 0:29:21.800
<v Speaker 5>of their land that is going to be taken over

0:29:22.160 --> 0:29:26.840
<v Speaker 5>by the Transmission Company of Victoria. Now, for that, they

0:29:26.840 --> 0:29:29.800
<v Speaker 5>are due to be compensated to the tune of two

0:29:29.880 --> 0:29:35.280
<v Speaker 5>hundred thousand dollars per kilometer over twenty five years. That

0:29:35.440 --> 0:29:40.680
<v Speaker 5>equals eight thousand dollars a year. Guess what the government,

0:29:40.760 --> 0:29:44.400
<v Speaker 5>the state government in Victoria, the Allen government, brings in

0:29:44.440 --> 0:29:47.000
<v Speaker 5>as a result of the land tax on this land.

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<v Speaker 5>Though they generate seventy six million dollars a year on

0:29:51.120 --> 0:29:53.880
<v Speaker 5>this land, which is equal to one hundred and seventy

0:29:54.080 --> 0:29:59.120
<v Speaker 5>seven thousand dollars per kilometer per year, and they are

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<v Speaker 5>going to give these farmers are poultry eight thousand dollars

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<v Speaker 5>a year in compensation. Well, the farmers are not having it.

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<v Speaker 5>One of the farmers from Southland, Barry Batters, he says,

0:30:10.480 --> 0:30:12.880
<v Speaker 5>we're not going to let him in. He says, everyone

0:30:13.000 --> 0:30:15.240
<v Speaker 5>is going to stand at the gate and say no

0:30:15.480 --> 0:30:19.720
<v Speaker 5>to TCV, that's Transmission Company Victoria. Ninety nine percent of

0:30:19.760 --> 0:30:23.880
<v Speaker 5>the landholders from Bulgana to ten kilometers north of Wurronook.

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<v Speaker 1>We're ready to join forces to block tcv's access.

0:30:27.520 --> 0:30:30.760
<v Speaker 5>Will make it hard for them, he said. They're going

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<v Speaker 5>to go, you know, old style and chain themselves to

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<v Speaker 5>gates instead of trees.

0:30:34.600 --> 0:30:35.200
<v Speaker 1>I suppose.

0:30:35.480 --> 0:30:38.880
<v Speaker 5>But what a disgusting situation where people who are simply

0:30:38.920 --> 0:30:42.640
<v Speaker 5>trying to run cattle and sheep and grow food and

0:30:42.800 --> 0:30:45.680
<v Speaker 5>whatever keep us alive, to keep us alive and give

0:30:45.760 --> 0:30:48.320
<v Speaker 5>us clothes to wear, et cetera, are going to have

0:30:48.440 --> 0:30:54.160
<v Speaker 5>their land compulsorily acquired for this infrastructure that we only

0:30:54.280 --> 0:30:56.840
<v Speaker 5>need because we're pursuing this crazy.

0:30:56.480 --> 0:30:58.200
<v Speaker 1>Green dream of renewable energy.

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<v Speaker 5>They'll get eight cane compensation a year and the state

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<v Speaker 5>government gets one hundred and seventy seven k.

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<v Speaker 1>That is a joke.

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<v Speaker 3>The other outrageous part of this is Transmission Company Victoria

0:31:09.120 --> 0:31:12.200
<v Speaker 3>are currently in the process of getting licenses to be

0:31:12.280 --> 0:31:16.400
<v Speaker 3>able to take this land by force. And yet the

0:31:17.240 --> 0:31:19.560
<v Speaker 3>map that we showed on screen just a moment ago

0:31:19.640 --> 0:31:21.320
<v Speaker 3>has only just become public.

0:31:21.440 --> 0:31:23.440
<v Speaker 2>Has all been They've only just found out.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so locals have just learned this and preparations are

0:31:27.080 --> 0:31:29.760
<v Speaker 3>already underway. The other thing is it's not just farmers

0:31:29.800 --> 0:31:33.360
<v Speaker 3>who are being affected, but every Victorian person who pays

0:31:33.360 --> 0:31:36.400
<v Speaker 3>their electricity bill. This transmission line is costing three point

0:31:36.480 --> 0:31:39.560
<v Speaker 3>five billion dollars, and of course the cost of that

0:31:39.720 --> 0:31:44.000
<v Speaker 3>is added to everybody's electricity bill and it's blown out

0:31:44.040 --> 0:31:47.760
<v Speaker 3>of course, as everything does with renewables, and in Victoria,

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<v Speaker 3>by another five hundred and seventy seven million dollars, So

0:31:50.400 --> 0:31:53.840
<v Speaker 3>it's now up to close to four billion dollars that

0:31:53.880 --> 0:31:56.520
<v Speaker 3>gets added to people's electricity bill. So everybody is losing

0:31:56.520 --> 0:31:56.800
<v Speaker 3>from this.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and we know it well, they now know. We

0:31:59.600 --> 0:32:02.040
<v Speaker 4>just found out along with them. This effects at least

0:32:02.040 --> 0:32:06.520
<v Speaker 4>one hundred and forty one different private properties elsewhere in

0:32:06.600 --> 0:32:10.120
<v Speaker 4>different shires. The numbers are unknown, they haven't crunched them yet,

0:32:10.280 --> 0:32:12.280
<v Speaker 4>but that is a heck of a lot of farmers

0:32:12.320 --> 0:32:15.840
<v Speaker 4>who have just found out these massive swathes are going

0:32:15.880 --> 0:32:18.640
<v Speaker 4>to be cut through their land if and when this

0:32:18.840 --> 0:32:23.640
<v Speaker 4>application is approved. And like you say, the tcv's parent

0:32:23.760 --> 0:32:26.600
<v Speaker 4>company who made this a lot more expensive by making

0:32:26.600 --> 0:32:30.320
<v Speaker 4>the transmission lines how of a lot longer, that's just

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<v Speaker 4>going to be paid off by Victorians via their electricity bills.

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<v Speaker 4>This isn't fair on anyone at all in this equation.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, speaking of not being fair to anyone in the equation,

0:32:41.640 --> 0:32:45.720
<v Speaker 3>Tanya Plibast continues to upset everybody. In her role as

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<v Speaker 3>Environment Minister. She's been making a decision or supposed to

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<v Speaker 3>be making a decision on salmon farming in Tasmania, which

0:32:53.080 --> 0:32:56.440
<v Speaker 3>is worth about one point three billion dollars to the state.

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<v Speaker 3>The issue is a skate fish which is classified as

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<v Speaker 3>endangered in Macquarie Harbor, where they do salmon farming. She's

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<v Speaker 3>been asked to determine whether or not the skatefish is

0:33:09.560 --> 0:33:13.400
<v Speaker 3>endangered or whether it's critically endangered, the difference being if

0:33:13.400 --> 0:33:17.480
<v Speaker 3>it's critically endangered, then salmon farming in that harbor will

0:33:17.520 --> 0:33:20.360
<v Speaker 3>be shut down. But she's just announced she's going to

0:33:20.440 --> 0:33:24.800
<v Speaker 3>delay making a decision until after the federal election. She's

0:33:24.840 --> 0:33:28.400
<v Speaker 3>put it off by twelve months, thereby angering everybody. The

0:33:28.400 --> 0:33:31.160
<v Speaker 3>salmon farmers are upset because they've got no certainty about

0:33:31.160 --> 0:33:34.240
<v Speaker 3>their future, and of course the environmentalists are upset because

0:33:34.240 --> 0:33:37.720
<v Speaker 3>they're demanding something be done to save the skate semon.

0:33:37.760 --> 0:33:41.760
<v Speaker 3>Tasmania Chief Executive Luke Martin said there is clearly no

0:33:42.000 --> 0:33:44.680
<v Speaker 3>justification for her to string out a decision on that

0:33:44.800 --> 0:33:47.640
<v Speaker 3>process any longer, and she must end this completely unfair

0:33:47.680 --> 0:33:51.720
<v Speaker 3>process for our workers, their families and communities have listened

0:33:51.760 --> 0:33:55.360
<v Speaker 3>to salmon farmer Adam Saltmarsh and his wife Samantha, who

0:33:55.440 --> 0:33:57.720
<v Speaker 3>say they have no idea whether or not they've got

0:33:57.760 --> 0:34:01.479
<v Speaker 3>a future in Tasmania waiting for Tanya Plipasek to make

0:34:01.520 --> 0:34:03.880
<v Speaker 3>a decision. She doesn't want to make until after the

0:34:03.920 --> 0:34:06.280
<v Speaker 3>election less it costs labor votes.

0:34:07.240 --> 0:34:10.200
<v Speaker 6>This is where we always dreamt of raising our children.

0:34:10.280 --> 0:34:15.120
<v Speaker 6>It's a beautiful town, it's a safe place to raise children,

0:34:15.200 --> 0:34:18.040
<v Speaker 6>and they have a wonderful backyard and this is where

0:34:18.040 --> 0:34:20.360
<v Speaker 6>we want to stay. We don't want to go anywhere else.

0:34:21.120 --> 0:34:24.640
<v Speaker 6>We believe that the salmon and the skate can coexist together.

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<v Speaker 1>For us to move away.

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<v Speaker 7>To mean I'd have to move away from our kids probably,

0:34:29.000 --> 0:34:32.279
<v Speaker 7>you know, to shift work, fly and fly out maybe

0:34:32.360 --> 0:34:35.520
<v Speaker 7>for weeks of the time. So that means missing our

0:34:35.600 --> 0:34:41.120
<v Speaker 7>kids school events growing up. You know. Yeah, it's pretty daunting.

0:34:41.160 --> 0:34:42.399
<v Speaker 1>It worries us a lot.

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<v Speaker 3>So while those families employed by the salmon industry have

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<v Speaker 3>to sit on their hands for twelve months not knowing

0:34:49.280 --> 0:34:52.680
<v Speaker 3>if they've got a future, environmentalists are unhappy as well.

0:34:52.719 --> 0:34:56.839
<v Speaker 3>Bob Brown spoke to the media saying Tanya Plipasek has

0:34:57.000 --> 0:35:00.399
<v Speaker 3>decided to do absolutely nothing. Sorry not Bob Bread, Bob

0:35:00.440 --> 0:35:04.560
<v Speaker 3>Brown Foundation campaigner Alister Allen I should have said, he said,

0:35:04.760 --> 0:35:07.600
<v Speaker 3>Tenni Plimer section has decided to do absolutely nothing. Minister

0:35:07.600 --> 0:35:10.959
<v Speaker 3>pilbi Sek is ignoring her role as environment minister while

0:35:10.960 --> 0:35:14.440
<v Speaker 3>we're seeing a global extinction crisis and potentially putting the

0:35:14.440 --> 0:35:18.400
<v Speaker 3>decision off to someone else post federal election. This is

0:35:18.400 --> 0:35:21.840
<v Speaker 3>fairly typical of labor Caleb not wanting to make decisions

0:35:21.920 --> 0:35:25.400
<v Speaker 3>because they're worried about certain electoral seats and how they

0:35:25.480 --> 0:35:28.760
<v Speaker 3>might be affected at the next elections. So to simply

0:35:28.800 --> 0:35:32.080
<v Speaker 3>put off a decision until after the election smacks of

0:35:32.120 --> 0:35:34.839
<v Speaker 3>someone who's paid to do a job deliberately not doing

0:35:34.840 --> 0:35:35.160
<v Speaker 3>a job.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, everything seems to be political in terms of the

0:35:37.640 --> 0:35:40.919
<v Speaker 5>environmental decisions that Tania Pilbysik makes at the moment, because

0:35:40.920 --> 0:35:43.840
<v Speaker 5>of course we can't have the Blainey gold mine because

0:35:44.080 --> 0:35:46.680
<v Speaker 5>that might look bad at home in her seat and

0:35:46.719 --> 0:35:50.040
<v Speaker 5>the other seats in the inner city of Sydney where

0:35:50.040 --> 0:35:52.359
<v Speaker 5>they're worried about the Greens vote, And of course can't

0:35:52.400 --> 0:35:54.120
<v Speaker 5>make it a decision on the other hand down in

0:35:54.120 --> 0:35:55.640
<v Speaker 5>Tasmania because.

0:35:55.400 --> 0:35:57.000
<v Speaker 1>It might cost labor votes.

0:35:57.000 --> 0:36:00.719
<v Speaker 5>And as Paul Murray outlined in his program early, those

0:36:00.760 --> 0:36:03.239
<v Speaker 5>seats in Tasmania are going to be very important to

0:36:03.280 --> 0:36:06.080
<v Speaker 5>whether or not Dutton has any chance of forming a

0:36:06.120 --> 0:36:09.680
<v Speaker 5>government at the next federal election. Seriously, though, I mean

0:36:10.000 --> 0:36:12.040
<v Speaker 5>the more genan skate and you can have a look

0:36:12.080 --> 0:36:14.080
<v Speaker 5>at this thing. Here is an ugly look and bagger,

0:36:14.280 --> 0:36:16.040
<v Speaker 5>but why don't.

0:36:15.800 --> 0:36:17.120
<v Speaker 1>We put the people first?

0:36:17.440 --> 0:36:21.520
<v Speaker 5>Seriously, we're talking about jobs for thousands of people and

0:36:21.560 --> 0:36:25.800
<v Speaker 5>we're talking about food to eat. I to be perfectly honest,

0:36:25.840 --> 0:36:30.200
<v Speaker 5>couldn't care less whether the more Gan skate disappears from

0:36:30.239 --> 0:36:32.680
<v Speaker 5>the harbor. Go and collect some of these critters up

0:36:32.719 --> 0:36:35.600
<v Speaker 5>and go and put them in aquarium or something somewhere

0:36:35.880 --> 0:36:37.640
<v Speaker 5>so that they don't that thing.

0:36:37.760 --> 0:36:38.880
<v Speaker 2>Can't have that thing.

0:36:38.719 --> 0:36:41.880
<v Speaker 4>Go extin we have a white quality of life would plummet.

0:36:42.160 --> 0:36:44.839
<v Speaker 5>We have a way of preventing them from going extinct forever.

0:36:44.960 --> 0:36:46.400
<v Speaker 1>Put them in an aquarium somewhere.

0:36:46.440 --> 0:36:50.759
<v Speaker 5>But this is about jobs for Australians and food for Australian.

0:36:50.320 --> 0:36:52.400
<v Speaker 2>Straight environmental less.

0:36:52.440 --> 0:36:54.960
<v Speaker 4>I mean, I've got ninety nine problems, but the extinction

0:36:55.040 --> 0:36:57.719
<v Speaker 4>of the skate fish certainly isn't one of them. And

0:36:57.840 --> 0:37:01.479
<v Speaker 4>like you say, what person in their right mind would

0:37:01.560 --> 0:37:04.840
<v Speaker 4>sacrifice salmon for whatever the heck that thing was that

0:37:04.920 --> 0:37:07.279
<v Speaker 4>looked like a weird looking stingray.

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to go to a break, but stick around.

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<v Speaker 3>When we come back, we'll look at what's making news tomorrow,

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<v Speaker 3>including Anthony Albanezi not the only labor mp receiving freebies

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<v Speaker 3>from countas. That's coming up in a moment.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's take a look at what's making news tomorrow. The

0:37:22.440 --> 0:37:25.040
<v Speaker 3>front page of the Australian only got two stories, but

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<v Speaker 3>both of them are big ones, Caleb, Quantus and COVID.

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<v Speaker 5>Let's start with a whopper, shall we COVID. Now they've

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<v Speaker 5>got three stories.

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<v Speaker 1>On this issue.

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<v Speaker 5>I will run you through them, and they don't get

0:37:35.440 --> 0:37:37.960
<v Speaker 5>any better. The first one says numbers did.

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<v Speaker 1>Not reflect the full story.

0:37:39.560 --> 0:37:43.799
<v Speaker 5>Australia's COVID nineteen pandemic response fixated on case numbers and

0:37:43.840 --> 0:37:47.279
<v Speaker 5>lost sight of the broader mental health impacts of lockdowns

0:37:47.320 --> 0:37:51.520
<v Speaker 5>and school closures, A landmark inquiry has found. Then the

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<v Speaker 5>second story says draconian COVID nineteen measures including state lockdowns,

0:37:56.120 --> 0:37:59.799
<v Speaker 5>border closures, school shutdowns and vaccine mandates were not just

0:37:59.840 --> 0:38:03.719
<v Speaker 5>after the initial wave of the pandemic and fueled an

0:38:03.719 --> 0:38:07.520
<v Speaker 5>erosion in trust in governments and mental health damage to children,

0:38:07.960 --> 0:38:11.720
<v Speaker 5>a landmark inquiry has found. And then the third story says,

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<v Speaker 5>across the nation's frontline workforce in health, aged care, police

0:38:15.480 --> 0:38:19.640
<v Speaker 5>and paramedics, mandatory COVID nineteen immunization is a distant memory.

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<v Speaker 1>But in Victoria, as.

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<v Speaker 5>The summer fire season looms, dozens of unvaccinated firefighters are

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<v Speaker 5>still banned from returning to work three years after being

0:38:28.640 --> 0:38:35.200
<v Speaker 5>stood down without pay worse too, worse two worse. Now, look,

0:38:36.360 --> 0:38:38.160
<v Speaker 5>the result of this inquiry was.

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<v Speaker 1>In some way scathing.

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<v Speaker 5>I think its certainly said that the States bagged things up,

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<v Speaker 5>that there was no justification for much of what they did.

0:38:47.560 --> 0:38:50.799
<v Speaker 5>But let us not forget that no state premiere was

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<v Speaker 5>hauled in before this inquiry. They will face no penalty

0:38:54.440 --> 0:38:58.120
<v Speaker 5>or punishment for what they did. The biggest suggestion that

0:38:58.239 --> 0:39:01.560
<v Speaker 5>comes out of this inquiry is that we need a

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<v Speaker 5>federal CDC in the event, which is like what they

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<v Speaker 5>have in the United States, the Center for Disease Control,

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<v Speaker 5>in the event that there is another pandemic. Now, if

0:39:11.280 --> 0:39:13.520
<v Speaker 5>you read all of this, and it's saying the States

0:39:13.520 --> 0:39:16.120
<v Speaker 5>bagged everything up and there was no justification for all

0:39:16.120 --> 0:39:18.560
<v Speaker 5>the things that were done. The biggest problem, one of

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<v Speaker 5>the biggest problems we had during COVID was lots of

0:39:21.120 --> 0:39:24.920
<v Speaker 5>bureaucrats dictating what should or shouldn't be done.

0:39:25.320 --> 0:39:27.960
<v Speaker 1>And now they say we should have a CDC.

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<v Speaker 5>That will be the whole of bureaucrats telling us how

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<v Speaker 5>we should run ourselves during a pandemic China.

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<v Speaker 3>Make it make sense, well, I mean, the irony of

0:39:36.680 --> 0:39:38.440
<v Speaker 3>that is that we knew what to do during a

0:39:38.480 --> 0:39:42.200
<v Speaker 3>pandemic because Tony Abbott, as Healthminess, had written they dropped

0:39:42.239 --> 0:39:45.000
<v Speaker 3>a pandemic plan that sat in the bottom of a

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<v Speaker 3>draw somewhere while we seem to take our cues from

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<v Speaker 3>the Chinese Communist Party and copy their response. The thing

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<v Speaker 3>that I found most interesting in this report, and by

0:39:55.920 --> 0:39:58.440
<v Speaker 3>the way, this report bears witness to why we need

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<v Speaker 3>a Royal commission, because if there were that many mistakes,

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<v Speaker 3>then state premiers, most of whom have now left office,

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<v Speaker 3>but they should be hauled back in to explain things.

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<v Speaker 3>But the report points out that it's fuelled a distrust

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<v Speaker 3>of government, so next time we're in a crisis, most

0:40:15.440 --> 0:40:19.640
<v Speaker 3>people will be most disinclined to believe, let alone do

0:40:19.800 --> 0:40:22.600
<v Speaker 3>anything the government advises. And from a personal point of view,

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<v Speaker 3>I well remember that first press conference where Scott Morrison

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<v Speaker 3>as Prime Minister came on and I remember standing there,

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<v Speaker 3>shot we're closing the borders, we're closing the airports, we're

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<v Speaker 3>closing schools, and I said to my kids out of

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<v Speaker 3>school immediately, because I reasoned, if it's this bad that

0:40:39.640 --> 0:40:42.800
<v Speaker 3>they are going to this must be very, very bad.

0:40:43.320 --> 0:40:45.480
<v Speaker 3>But after about a month and a half, I'm starting

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<v Speaker 3>to think something doesn't add up here.

0:40:48.160 --> 0:40:50.839
<v Speaker 1>And remember two weeks to flatten the curves.

0:40:51.520 --> 0:40:55.080
<v Speaker 3>Do you remember the AFL they're wiping down the goalposts.

0:40:55.320 --> 0:40:58.600
<v Speaker 3>Do you remember the health minister in South Australia saying

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<v Speaker 3>if the ball is don't touch the bill.

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<v Speaker 5>Your same public health officer who said that the only

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<v Speaker 5>place in the world where COVID had spread on a

0:41:07.520 --> 0:41:09.600
<v Speaker 5>pizza box was Adelaide exactly.

0:41:10.160 --> 0:41:12.960
<v Speaker 2>We all remember Pizzagate. That was a classic.

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<v Speaker 4>It's really interesting though, because we forget there are still

0:41:16.440 --> 0:41:23.000
<v Speaker 4>workers who can't work. I mean this story about Victoria's fieries.

0:41:23.719 --> 0:41:28.279
<v Speaker 4>As summer looms, they can't go back to work. We're

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<v Speaker 4>so far behind America on this. There has been so

0:41:31.400 --> 0:41:34.600
<v Speaker 4>many cases where people who were fired due to not

0:41:34.880 --> 0:41:39.799
<v Speaker 4>being vaccinated, not obeying the mandates have been paid out

0:41:40.200 --> 0:41:42.880
<v Speaker 4>masses of money. Just a couple of days ago. The

0:41:42.920 --> 0:41:45.840
<v Speaker 4>most recent case I'm aware of in Chicago, a federal

0:41:45.920 --> 0:41:51.759
<v Speaker 4>court has awarded a million dollars to each person who

0:41:51.840 --> 0:41:56.120
<v Speaker 4>was fired by Chicago's state transit company for refusing to

0:41:56.160 --> 0:41:59.920
<v Speaker 4>take the vacs. They said, we wanted religious exemptions for

0:42:00.080 --> 0:42:02.759
<v Speaker 4>religious reasons. We did not want to take this. We

0:42:02.760 --> 0:42:07.520
<v Speaker 4>were fired instead they now get a million bucks age.

0:42:08.080 --> 0:42:10.840
<v Speaker 4>But this is one of many of these cases in

0:42:10.880 --> 0:42:13.200
<v Speaker 4>the States, and I do wonder how far behind we

0:42:13.239 --> 0:42:18.080
<v Speaker 4>are in terms of Ozzy's realizing that if they take

0:42:18.120 --> 0:42:21.200
<v Speaker 4>them to task, we've had a few successes. Up in Queensland,

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<v Speaker 4>they too could be getting really good payouts for the

0:42:25.160 --> 0:42:29.279
<v Speaker 4>fact that they were cast out of their jobs by

0:42:29.400 --> 0:42:31.240
<v Speaker 4>virtue of not giving into the mat.

0:42:31.120 --> 0:42:34.879
<v Speaker 5>And it is no coincidence that that persists in Victoria,

0:42:34.960 --> 0:42:37.840
<v Speaker 5>the most belligerent state of all, because they will not

0:42:37.960 --> 0:42:40.880
<v Speaker 5>admit that they got anything wrong. And that is the

0:42:41.000 --> 0:42:45.279
<v Speaker 5>problem with this inquiry and its results. Oh they got

0:42:45.320 --> 0:42:48.360
<v Speaker 5>some stuff wrong, but no one who was involved in

0:42:48.400 --> 0:42:51.640
<v Speaker 5>that process will come out over the next week and.

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<v Speaker 1>Say we got it wrong.

0:42:52.920 --> 0:42:55.359
<v Speaker 5>I promise you they will not, and they will get

0:42:55.400 --> 0:42:57.919
<v Speaker 5>away with it because not one of them was Halding.

0:42:57.920 --> 0:42:58.960
<v Speaker 2>And that's the irony, right.

0:42:59.000 --> 0:43:00.680
<v Speaker 3>If you're going to produce a report that says the

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<v Speaker 3>big problem here is you have fueled a lack of

0:43:02.760 --> 0:43:06.600
<v Speaker 3>trust in government, and then you don't call for accountability

0:43:06.600 --> 0:43:09.880
<v Speaker 3>from government, well then you're doing nothing to restore trust

0:43:09.920 --> 0:43:13.160
<v Speaker 3>in government. And if democracy doesn't have trust, you don't

0:43:13.200 --> 0:43:16.520
<v Speaker 3>have democracy. That may well prove to be the biggest

0:43:17.440 --> 0:43:21.080
<v Speaker 3>ramification from the pandemic response, especially if we end up

0:43:21.080 --> 0:43:23.799
<v Speaker 3>in a crisis, whether it's a pandemic or war something else.

0:43:24.160 --> 0:43:27.080
<v Speaker 3>If the public don't trust what they're being told by

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<v Speaker 3>the authorities, then you're in all sorts of troubles.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I can say that it didn't affect my trust

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<v Speaker 4>in government and always rock bottom and to every rock

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<v Speaker 4>bottom speaking.

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<v Speaker 5>Of a roading trust in government, Let's talk about our

0:43:39.960 --> 0:43:43.920
<v Speaker 5>great mate Albo Freebies, because because it says he pushed

0:43:43.960 --> 0:43:49.440
<v Speaker 5>to upgrade Freebie Albanesi to corruption watchdog Anthony Alberzi has

0:43:49.480 --> 0:43:52.440
<v Speaker 5>been urged by Peter Dutton to refer himself to the

0:43:52.520 --> 0:43:55.799
<v Speaker 5>National Anti Corruption Commission after the Prime Minister continued to

0:43:55.840 --> 0:43:59.160
<v Speaker 5>dodge claims that he asked former Quantus chief executive Allen

0:43:59.239 --> 0:44:04.440
<v Speaker 5>Joyce for personal flight upgrades. I could not believe the

0:44:04.480 --> 0:44:07.680
<v Speaker 5>way he conducted himself today when he was asked about

0:44:07.680 --> 0:44:09.799
<v Speaker 5>all of this, trying to say, oh, you know, just

0:44:09.880 --> 0:44:12.480
<v Speaker 5>Joe Aston, just trying to sell some books I haven't

0:44:12.520 --> 0:44:14.920
<v Speaker 5>seen him, declared that he was a liberal star for

0:44:15.000 --> 0:44:17.239
<v Speaker 5>and that he worked at Quatas, even though it's in

0:44:17.280 --> 0:44:19.480
<v Speaker 5>the first line on the first page of the book

0:44:19.560 --> 0:44:23.799
<v Speaker 5>that he's trying to sell you more on and he's

0:44:23.920 --> 0:44:29.280
<v Speaker 5>trying to We went on about the chairman's lounge access

0:44:29.280 --> 0:44:31.640
<v Speaker 5>for his son, saying it was his plus one well

0:44:31.640 --> 0:44:34.320
<v Speaker 5>as you would have seen on Sharry tonight. Joe Aston

0:44:34.400 --> 0:44:37.200
<v Speaker 5>pointed out that that was never ever declared and of

0:44:37.239 --> 0:44:40.759
<v Speaker 5>course his partner now his Fyonce is declared, so was

0:44:40.800 --> 0:44:43.919
<v Speaker 5>it ever a plus one? There are so many questions here.

0:44:44.200 --> 0:44:47.360
<v Speaker 5>He won't answer it because he knows he's in the

0:44:47.400 --> 0:44:48.120
<v Speaker 5>pood drinking.

0:44:48.160 --> 0:44:50.640
<v Speaker 3>Anthiy Albanze rang Joe Aston and tried to procure a

0:44:50.640 --> 0:44:51.360
<v Speaker 3>free copy.

0:44:51.120 --> 0:44:51.520
<v Speaker 1>Of the book.

0:44:53.680 --> 0:44:54.840
<v Speaker 2>Can I get a pre read?

0:44:55.520 --> 0:44:57.680
<v Speaker 3>I just had to laugh at Anthony Albaneze has been

0:44:57.760 --> 0:44:59.960
<v Speaker 3>urged by Peter Dutton to refer himself to the National

0:45:00.000 --> 0:45:03.880
<v Speaker 3>Anti Corruption Commission. What are the chances of Ethny Albanisi saying, look,

0:45:03.880 --> 0:45:07.640
<v Speaker 3>I want to refer myself. Can you just havession?

0:45:07.760 --> 0:45:10.640
<v Speaker 1>I want to report myself for king k any freebies the.

0:45:10.719 --> 0:45:12.200
<v Speaker 4>I don't think it's going to happen because she wanted

0:45:12.280 --> 0:45:16.120
<v Speaker 4>the nice flikes to the front page of the advertiser.

0:45:16.280 --> 0:45:19.320
<v Speaker 4>Now it turns out alben Easy hasn't been the only

0:45:19.480 --> 0:45:23.440
<v Speaker 4>one earning some well not earning, but enjoying some sweet

0:45:23.680 --> 0:45:30.160
<v Speaker 4>treats from quantas ministers took Quantus freebies after sinking Qatar

0:45:30.960 --> 0:45:35.719
<v Speaker 4>flying labor Rus the splash reads, seven labor ministers and

0:45:35.880 --> 0:45:39.600
<v Speaker 4>assistant ministers were gifted Quantus flight upgrades in the months

0:45:39.640 --> 0:45:44.600
<v Speaker 4>after the Albanesi government blocked rival Qatar from expanding services

0:45:44.840 --> 0:45:50.719
<v Speaker 4>that would have lowered airfares for all Australians. How dumb

0:45:50.840 --> 0:45:54.480
<v Speaker 4>do these people think we are, or maybe the press are,

0:45:55.000 --> 0:46:00.200
<v Speaker 4>that something that is so find outable is never going

0:46:00.280 --> 0:46:03.480
<v Speaker 4>to make the front page splash, Like, this isn't something

0:46:03.560 --> 0:46:05.960
<v Speaker 4>that you have to do all that much deep diving

0:46:06.440 --> 0:46:10.520
<v Speaker 4>to discover, and now we know it's from the top down.

0:46:10.719 --> 0:46:13.319
<v Speaker 4>It wasn't just elbow. They were like, heck, if he's

0:46:13.400 --> 0:46:15.560
<v Speaker 4>in on it, we're in on it. Like you like

0:46:15.640 --> 0:46:17.880
<v Speaker 4>to say, Caleb, it's only a rod if you're not

0:46:18.040 --> 0:46:20.880
<v Speaker 4>in on it. So these guys have all been cashing

0:46:20.960 --> 0:46:26.400
<v Speaker 4>in and little wonder they made sure that potential rival

0:46:26.920 --> 0:46:28.080
<v Speaker 4>never got a chance.

0:46:27.960 --> 0:46:29.279
<v Speaker 2>To be the rival that it could have been.

0:46:29.520 --> 0:46:31.400
<v Speaker 3>You can read all about it in tomorrow's papers.

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<v Speaker 1>It's everywhere.

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<v Speaker 3>We're going to go to a break when we come

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<v Speaker 3>back a woman Susann Airline after they gave her an

0:46:36.160 --> 0:46:39.319
<v Speaker 3>in flight ice cream and didn't tell her it was icy.

0:46:39.520 --> 0:46:40.239
<v Speaker 2>It's coming up in.

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<v Speaker 3>Second all right, welcome back, Caleb. You've got a great

0:46:45.960 --> 0:46:48.479
<v Speaker 3>story about a family who held out with their real estate.

0:46:48.960 --> 0:46:50.920
<v Speaker 1>Who needs the castle when you've got this.

0:46:51.160 --> 0:46:54.920
<v Speaker 5>This family in Adelaide, Salisbury in Adelaide watched all the

0:46:55.040 --> 0:46:58.360
<v Speaker 5>land be developed around them and they said, no, we

0:46:58.560 --> 0:47:01.720
<v Speaker 5>are not giving in. Take a look at the property

0:47:01.800 --> 0:47:04.160
<v Speaker 5>that they have lived on for more than thirty years.

0:47:04.239 --> 0:47:07.279
<v Speaker 5>They've had developers coming and knocking on the door and

0:47:07.400 --> 0:47:10.160
<v Speaker 5>saying we want to take over this place. Literally you

0:47:10.239 --> 0:47:13.560
<v Speaker 5>can see there on either side it's been developed. Housing

0:47:13.760 --> 0:47:17.279
<v Speaker 5>estates have gone in and they've said, one day we're

0:47:17.320 --> 0:47:19.239
<v Speaker 5>going to make shed loads of money out of this.

0:47:19.719 --> 0:47:22.000
<v Speaker 1>And that's exactly what happened to parents.

0:47:22.080 --> 0:47:24.200
<v Speaker 5>Carc that the kids put it up for sale. They

0:47:24.239 --> 0:47:26.440
<v Speaker 5>thought they'd get two point two million for it. They

0:47:26.520 --> 0:47:29.000
<v Speaker 5>got five point five million for it. So there you go.

0:47:29.080 --> 0:47:31.120
<v Speaker 1>If you're thinking a hold non hold on.

0:47:31.280 --> 0:47:35.560
<v Speaker 4>I say, if you thought that worker's conclaim we told

0:47:35.600 --> 0:47:38.040
<v Speaker 4>you about earlier was bad, check this out. A woman

0:47:38.120 --> 0:47:42.640
<v Speaker 4>in the States is suing Jet Blue an American Airline

0:47:42.719 --> 0:47:46.160
<v Speaker 4>because the ice cream sandwich they gave.

0:47:46.080 --> 0:47:48.920
<v Speaker 1>Her was too cold.

0:47:49.280 --> 0:47:49.839
<v Speaker 2>Check this out.

0:47:49.920 --> 0:47:53.120
<v Speaker 4>The lawsuit argues that the sweet treat was at a

0:47:53.280 --> 0:47:57.480
<v Speaker 4>temperature below what is reasonable or safe for consumption, and

0:47:57.640 --> 0:48:01.240
<v Speaker 4>quanonas that's the name of the woman was not warned

0:48:01.360 --> 0:48:05.440
<v Speaker 4>of the dangerously cold temperature and solid state of the

0:48:05.520 --> 0:48:09.759
<v Speaker 4>ice cream sandwich she was served. This caused her to

0:48:09.960 --> 0:48:15.280
<v Speaker 4>fracture one of her front teeth, and she wants some money.

0:48:15.760 --> 0:48:18.320
<v Speaker 4>Stay tuned to find out whether she's actually successful.

0:48:18.719 --> 0:48:21.400
<v Speaker 2>This is insane. This is insane.

0:48:21.680 --> 0:48:24.360
<v Speaker 4>At what part of picking up the ice cream sandwich

0:48:24.400 --> 0:48:27.120
<v Speaker 4>wouldn't you just go, maybe it's too hard for me

0:48:27.239 --> 0:48:30.239
<v Speaker 4>to bite into it, or even think to be like,

0:48:30.360 --> 0:48:33.080
<v Speaker 4>now that I have bitten into it, because I'm greedy

0:48:33.239 --> 0:48:36.319
<v Speaker 4>and it's really hard, now I'm going to som well.

0:48:36.360 --> 0:48:38.319
<v Speaker 3>I mean, you would typically hold it in your hand

0:48:38.400 --> 0:48:38.640
<v Speaker 3>and that.

0:48:38.640 --> 0:48:41.440
<v Speaker 1>Would tell you that it is cold. Indeed, you'd squeeze

0:48:41.440 --> 0:48:41.840
<v Speaker 1>it a little bit.

0:48:41.920 --> 0:48:43.839
<v Speaker 3>That would tell you it's solid, and you'd think, if

0:48:43.880 --> 0:48:45.439
<v Speaker 3>I wait a moment, it will fall.

0:48:45.640 --> 0:48:49.320
<v Speaker 1>But apparently you have to serve someone explain that.

0:48:49.560 --> 0:48:51.520
<v Speaker 5>But this is why when you buy a cup of

0:48:51.800 --> 0:48:54.520
<v Speaker 5>takeaway coffee, it's got hot written on the top of it,

0:48:54.640 --> 0:48:56.520
<v Speaker 5>because some dope in the United.

0:48:56.320 --> 0:48:58.200
<v Speaker 1>It's always in the United States, isn't it. They're a

0:48:58.239 --> 0:48:59.200
<v Speaker 1>bit dense over these.

0:48:59.360 --> 0:49:00.879
<v Speaker 2>That is a very head line.

0:49:00.880 --> 0:49:05.880
<v Speaker 5>And the woman put the cup of coffee between her

0:49:05.920 --> 0:49:07.120
<v Speaker 5>legs and then squeezed your legs.

0:49:07.280 --> 0:49:10.160
<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to burn on my legs. It was coffee,

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<v Speaker 1>for goodness sake.

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<v Speaker 5>I just want to know if this woman was eating

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<v Speaker 5>at ice cream at home as a council worker during

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<v Speaker 5>her lunch break and she sustained that injury, would she.

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<v Speaker 1>Be able to sue the council with her My DearS, Taylor,

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<v Speaker 1>you would.

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<v Speaker 3>Get a payout. That's it from us to stick around.

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<v Speaker 3>Coming up is the readA Penny show that's up in

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<v Speaker 3>just a moment.