WEBVTT - Sharri | 6 August 0:00:01.800 --> 0:00:03.680 Why on Sky News. 0:00:04.080 --> 0:00:08.959 This is Sharry Good Evening. 0:00:09.000 --> 0:00:11.680 We're coming up on tonight's show. The Boss of Azio 0:00:12.160 --> 0:00:16.120 issues a rare rebuke to the Iranian ambassador. I'll bring 0:00:16.160 --> 0:00:19.600 you this exclusive story and it comes as an Iranian 0:00:19.640 --> 0:00:21.919 attack on Israel is imminent. 0:00:22.600 --> 0:00:23.880 The Macarata Commission. 0:00:24.360 --> 0:00:27.080 Is the Albanezy government going to move forward with it 0:00:27.320 --> 0:00:27.560 or not? 0:00:28.280 --> 0:00:29.600 Just Enterprise will join. 0:00:29.520 --> 0:00:33.159 Me live for her take on the PM's latest blunder, 0:00:33.800 --> 0:00:36.519 and we'll cross to the US where Kamala Harris is 0:00:36.600 --> 0:00:41.320 attempting to undergo a major reinvention with ninety days to 0:00:41.360 --> 0:00:45.680 spare until America votes. But first tonight, I want to 0:00:45.760 --> 0:00:50.360 start with the economy. RBA Governor Michelle Bullock has ruled 0:00:50.400 --> 0:00:53.240 out a rate cut in the next six months, saying 0:00:53.280 --> 0:00:57.800 inflation has been more persistent than expected. In part, she 0:00:57.880 --> 0:01:02.040 blamed high government spending and low productivity for the need 0:01:02.080 --> 0:01:04.080 to keep rates higher for longer. 0:01:05.319 --> 0:01:08.880 We're coming out of an extraordinary period of massive supply shocks, 0:01:09.240 --> 0:01:12.720 a new zero cash rate back in twenty twenty two, 0:01:13.800 --> 0:01:17.320 massive physical support for the economy, all part of the 0:01:17.319 --> 0:01:20.800 pandemic and the pandemic response. And it's not surprising really 0:01:20.880 --> 0:01:23.319 that it's taking time for things to stabilize a bit. 0:01:23.480 --> 0:01:25.720 What we can say is that a near term reduction 0:01:25.920 --> 0:01:29.560 in the cash rate doesn't align with the board's current thinking. 0:01:31.120 --> 0:01:34.920 Up until this week, the economic conversation has centered on 0:01:34.959 --> 0:01:38.960 the number of rate rises needed to curb inflation. But 0:01:39.040 --> 0:01:41.840 now the very real risk of recession in the United 0:01:41.880 --> 0:01:46.520 States has changed the debate from not only controlling inflation. 0:01:46.680 --> 0:01:48.960 But to carefully avoiding a recession. 0:01:49.760 --> 0:01:53.320 Treasurer Jim Chalmers has spoken for some time about the 0:01:53.440 --> 0:01:57.920 narrow path between not crushing our economy whilst still bringing 0:01:57.920 --> 0:02:02.200 inflation under control, and his want that the balance of 0:02:02.320 --> 0:02:04.520 risk is shifting in our economy. 0:02:05.800 --> 0:02:09.040 We've said around budget time, before that and since then, 0:02:10.120 --> 0:02:13.280 just how important it is that we recognize the balance 0:02:13.280 --> 0:02:17.760 of risks in our economy, domestic and international, our growth 0:02:17.840 --> 0:02:21.880 and inflation. And it's just as important now as it's 0:02:21.919 --> 0:02:22.440 ever been. 0:02:23.919 --> 0:02:27.679 Well, many economists locally have looked to the US for guidance, 0:02:28.200 --> 0:02:31.000 and they were highly critical of the IBA for not 0:02:31.120 --> 0:02:36.160 tackling inflation fast enough with earlier rate hikes. Interest rates 0:02:36.160 --> 0:02:38.600 in the US are higher than ours at five point 0:02:38.639 --> 0:02:42.120 five percent compared to our four point three five percent, 0:02:43.000 --> 0:02:46.200 so Australia took a less aggressive approach in curbing inflation 0:02:46.639 --> 0:02:50.000 so as not to crush growth, and while the future 0:02:50.000 --> 0:02:51.840 CPI data is. 0:02:51.600 --> 0:02:54.400 Uncertain, at the moment, it. 0:02:54.320 --> 0:02:57.799 Looks like Australia's path out of the global inflation. 0:02:57.520 --> 0:03:00.720 Crisis may have been better than in the US. 0:03:01.400 --> 0:03:04.639 The Treasurer today said that the concerns of a US 0:03:04.800 --> 0:03:09.720 recession show that Australia's economic plan to fight inflation without 0:03:09.760 --> 0:03:14.520 plunging US into recession is the more responsible path to 0:03:14.600 --> 0:03:15.160 have taken. 0:03:16.440 --> 0:03:19.960 We are confident about the Australian economy. We are confident 0:03:19.960 --> 0:03:23.640 we can continue to see inflation moderate. We're confident that 0:03:23.680 --> 0:03:25.920 we can continue to grow. But this is a really 0:03:25.919 --> 0:03:27.840 important warning against complacency. 0:03:29.320 --> 0:03:33.560 And Chalmers claimed his measures had in fact taken half 0:03:33.680 --> 0:03:38.760 a percentage point of inflation. But Shadow Treasurer Angus Taylor 0:03:38.960 --> 0:03:44.200 seized on the RBA's concerns about government spending and low productivity. 0:03:45.160 --> 0:03:49.560 Our inflation is stuck at a persistent level around four percent, 0:03:50.640 --> 0:03:52.920 and as I said, the Reserve Bank is seeing that 0:03:52.960 --> 0:03:56.720 inflation staying higher for longer than its previous forecasts back 0:03:56.800 --> 0:04:00.640 in May. It is clear that inflation is running the economy, 0:04:00.720 --> 0:04:01.400 not the government. 0:04:03.120 --> 0:04:06.440 So while the main discussion point has been whether rates 0:04:06.440 --> 0:04:09.840 would have to rise this year, and some economists have 0:04:09.960 --> 0:04:13.920 even predicted up to three rate hikes, it is possible 0:04:14.080 --> 0:04:16.360 that the next move we see will be an interst 0:04:16.440 --> 0:04:20.520 rate drop, and that's the prediction of Deloitte Access Economics 0:04:20.560 --> 0:04:24.640 partner Stephen Smith. He said it is now looking increasingly 0:04:24.720 --> 0:04:27.200 certain that the next move and the cash. 0:04:26.960 --> 0:04:30.880 Rate will be down, not up, with the RBA. 0:04:30.760 --> 0:04:34.839 Clearly concerned that its quest to stamp out inflation might 0:04:34.920 --> 0:04:39.200 derail an emerging recovery, he said, with inflation trending down 0:04:39.440 --> 0:04:43.720 a week Australian economy and rising volatility in global markets, 0:04:44.040 --> 0:04:47.880 Australia needs an environment where business can invest for growth. 0:04:49.120 --> 0:04:49.320 Well. 0:04:49.440 --> 0:04:52.720 Herald's Sun Business legend Terry mccran will be on tonight 0:04:52.880 --> 0:04:55.400 just in a minute to break this down, but he 0:04:55.560 --> 0:04:58.840 says the RBA shouldn't be raising rates and that today's 0:04:58.839 --> 0:05:02.440 decision to hold was the right one. He says, yes, 0:05:02.520 --> 0:05:06.120 our own jobless numbers and other indicators like those from 0:05:06.200 --> 0:05:10.600 SEKH suggests our economy might be close to snapping and 0:05:10.640 --> 0:05:16.080 there is absolutely no case, he says, for a rate hike. Well, 0:05:16.080 --> 0:05:20.480 it's true the growth in our economy is weak and consumption. 0:05:20.120 --> 0:05:22.919 Is down a little, but employment remains strong. 0:05:23.440 --> 0:05:27.080 If we start to see weaker jobs numbers, then there 0:05:27.120 --> 0:05:31.200 will be cause for alarm. And the inflation battle is 0:05:31.360 --> 0:05:35.679 far from over, as Michelle Bullock stressed today, and even 0:05:35.760 --> 0:05:41.560 Charmers admits, inflation is persistent and stubborn. And inflation rose 0:05:41.720 --> 0:05:45.039 one percent in the June quarter in Australia, but in 0:05:45.080 --> 0:05:49.760 the US it only went up by zero point two percent. Now, 0:05:49.839 --> 0:05:53.320 this is all sparking a debate about migration. 0:05:53.760 --> 0:05:56.560 Internally, in the Labor Party, there's a. 0:05:56.480 --> 0:06:00.880 Big political push to slash the high migration number and 0:06:00.960 --> 0:06:05.440 stop the government's big Australia, but those concerned about the 0:06:05.440 --> 0:06:10.840 economy are unlikely to support a migration cut ahead of 0:06:10.839 --> 0:06:14.440 what is looking like a dicey next twelve months in 0:06:14.480 --> 0:06:18.800 the global economy. We are already in a per capita 0:06:18.880 --> 0:06:22.880 recession in Australia and the reality is if the immigration 0:06:23.040 --> 0:06:27.000 levels hadn't been so high, we would absolutely be in 0:06:27.080 --> 0:06:28.920 a recession now. 0:06:28.960 --> 0:06:29.719 Internally in the. 0:06:29.760 --> 0:06:34.960 Labor Party there's already some resistance to cutting the migration rate. 0:06:35.640 --> 0:06:38.200 This isn't about the cost of living crisis of costs 0:06:38.720 --> 0:06:39.640 for Albanese. 0:06:40.200 --> 0:06:41.600 It's about politics. 0:06:42.279 --> 0:06:46.040 If the US plunges into a recession, an Australia manages 0:06:46.080 --> 0:06:49.600 to avoid one thanks to the narrow path Jim Chalmers 0:06:49.720 --> 0:06:52.279 is taking along with the high migration numbers. 0:06:52.839 --> 0:06:54.159 Well, this will be good. 0:06:54.000 --> 0:06:57.599 News for the Albanese government ahead of an election. A 0:06:57.720 --> 0:07:01.200 rate cut early next year would be the prime minister's 0:07:01.320 --> 0:07:04.960 dream ahead of an election campaign that could kick off 0:07:05.120 --> 0:07:06.080 in early April. 0:07:10.280 --> 0:07:11.080 Well for more. 0:07:10.960 --> 0:07:14.520 Expert analysis on this now, I'm joined by business columnist 0:07:14.600 --> 0:07:17.559 Terry mccran. Terry, great to see you again and thanks 0:07:17.600 --> 0:07:21.400 for joining US. Economists have been pushing for an interest 0:07:21.440 --> 0:07:24.800 to rate cut. We've heard many call for that, but 0:07:24.880 --> 0:07:28.320 Michelle Bullock today made it absolutely clear that a cut 0:07:28.360 --> 0:07:31.600 isn't on the cards anytime soon. No time in the 0:07:31.600 --> 0:07:35.000 next six months, which probably puts the first potential rate 0:07:35.080 --> 0:07:37.400 cut in the first quarter of next year. 0:07:38.640 --> 0:07:40.760 Which might work out quite well for the government if 0:07:40.760 --> 0:07:44.120 it has an election in the normal course. Sherry, But 0:07:44.280 --> 0:07:47.760 I thought, looking at Jim Chalmers's comments today, I thought 0:07:47.840 --> 0:07:50.720 I saw signs of fear in those eyes of his 0:07:51.200 --> 0:07:54.320 where he really thought that there's a prospect that rather 0:07:54.320 --> 0:07:56.640 than get a rate cut, as you move into the 0:07:56.680 --> 0:08:01.800 election campaign, you might actually face a rate high. I think, Chris, 0:08:02.000 --> 0:08:04.600 I think we can be very thankful to Michelle Bollock. 0:08:04.680 --> 0:08:09.160 She was absolutely crystal clear in describing the state of play, 0:08:09.360 --> 0:08:13.560 and that was inflation is too high. There was absolutely 0:08:13.560 --> 0:08:17.280 no prospect of a rate cut anytime soon, and the 0:08:17.360 --> 0:08:21.840 Reserve Bank was looking seriously at hiking rates today and 0:08:21.920 --> 0:08:26.480 we'll keep that possibility on the table going forward. Now 0:08:26.520 --> 0:08:28.520 there anything that's going to save us from a ray hike. 0:08:28.760 --> 0:08:32.040 Charity is if the economy does go over that cliff, 0:08:32.400 --> 0:08:34.640 and that's not exactly an attractive prospect. 0:08:35.120 --> 0:08:39.120 On the other hand, no, absolutely, Look, we heard the 0:08:39.160 --> 0:08:39.920 Treasurer today. 0:08:40.040 --> 0:08:41.920 I argue that he's. 0:08:41.760 --> 0:08:47.200 Successfully walking this narrow path avoiding a recession, unlike the 0:08:47.320 --> 0:08:49.400 very real risk in the US at the moment. 0:08:50.240 --> 0:08:52.000 Do you give him credit for this? 0:08:53.280 --> 0:08:56.040 I give him zero credit for a shary because and 0:08:56.120 --> 0:08:57.960 I think the Reserve Bank hit has quite a moment, 0:08:58.000 --> 0:09:00.840 so we'll also give him zero credit for it because 0:09:01.160 --> 0:09:03.800 the government is the one that's causing the difficulties. The 0:09:03.840 --> 0:09:07.600 government the one, as you've indicated, Cherry, with that massive 0:09:07.640 --> 0:09:11.640 immigration program, which is force you up rents, forcing up 0:09:11.679 --> 0:09:15.559 the cost of living, putting great stress on Australian families. 0:09:16.559 --> 0:09:19.960 What the government's done with energy prices. Everybody understand what's 0:09:20.000 --> 0:09:22.920 happening as a consequence of that, what it's done in 0:09:22.960 --> 0:09:26.360 the industrial relations space, where it's making very hard to 0:09:26.440 --> 0:09:30.720 get productivity improvements. All those things are not only making 0:09:30.800 --> 0:09:34.520 life tough for Australians and for business, it's also making 0:09:34.559 --> 0:09:37.160 it tough for the Reserve Bank to think about cutting 0:09:37.240 --> 0:09:42.200 rates anytime soon. So the buck stops precisely at Jim 0:09:42.280 --> 0:09:46.600 Chalmers's desk. He's not the guy that's delivering some sort 0:09:46.640 --> 0:09:50.199 of benefit. He's making life tough for everyone. 0:09:50.920 --> 0:09:54.080 What did you think about the IBA governor's comments when 0:09:54.080 --> 0:09:56.959 she spoke about government spending being an issue. I mean, 0:09:57.240 --> 0:09:59.679 that's quite rare for her to say that, isn't it. 0:10:00.679 --> 0:10:04.199 Well absolutely, I mean it's because it's just the basic 0:10:04.240 --> 0:10:08.280 reality cherry that the numb if the government is adding 0:10:08.320 --> 0:10:11.680 to demand, and demand is the problem. There's too much 0:10:11.760 --> 0:10:17.160 demand chasing what's produced in the economy. That's what causes inflation. Well, 0:10:17.200 --> 0:10:20.200 then you know the government is part of that problem, 0:10:20.200 --> 0:10:22.600 but that's only a small part of it. And she 0:10:22.640 --> 0:10:26.400 didn't want to get into a direct assault on the government, 0:10:26.440 --> 0:10:28.120 and she doesn't want it, certainly doesn't want to get 0:10:28.120 --> 0:10:31.040 you a situation where she's got to put up rates 0:10:31.160 --> 0:10:35.319 precisely because the government is creating the problem. 0:10:35.360 --> 0:10:38.400 All right, Terry mccran, you always are spot on and 0:10:38.440 --> 0:10:41.400 have such brilliant analysis. We appreciate you joining us on 0:10:41.440 --> 0:10:43.360 your show and look forward to reading more in the 0:10:43.400 --> 0:10:48.440 Herald Sign tomorrow. Now, AZO Boss Mike Burgess has entered 0:10:48.440 --> 0:10:51.760 the debate about the Iranian ambassador's offensive tweet. 0:10:52.200 --> 0:10:53.200 Now just to recap. 0:10:53.240 --> 0:10:57.520 In a post on x, Iran's ambassador, Ahmed Sadagi, referred 0:10:57.559 --> 0:11:02.000 to Israel as a Zionist plague that he said should 0:11:02.040 --> 0:11:04.400 be wiped out by Hamas. 0:11:04.840 --> 0:11:06.000 Have a look at his comments. 0:11:06.600 --> 0:11:08.600 Here they are, he said, the late leader of Hamas 0:11:08.720 --> 0:11:13.480 Resistant Movement rectified, wiping out the Zionus plague of the 0:11:13.480 --> 0:11:17.880 Holy Lance. Now, the alban Eezy government has admitted that 0:11:17.920 --> 0:11:23.839 these comments are unacceptable and yes they hold in the ambassador, 0:11:24.440 --> 0:11:26.360 but not at the ministerial level. 0:11:26.440 --> 0:11:27.000 Have a look. 0:11:28.120 --> 0:11:33.720 We have called in the Iranian ambassador to the Department 0:11:33.760 --> 0:11:37.960 of Foreign Afairs and Trade. Is the protocol when something 0:11:38.080 --> 0:11:43.680 like this happens. There's no place for the sword of 0:11:44.280 --> 0:11:47.920 comments that were made online in social media by the 0:11:47.960 --> 0:11:55.840 Iranian ambassador. They're a born and they are hateful, they 0:11:56.080 --> 0:11:58.559 are any Semitic and they have no place. 0:12:00.000 --> 0:12:00.520 Would shadow. 0:12:00.559 --> 0:12:03.800 Home Affairs Minister James Patterson said today that if the 0:12:03.840 --> 0:12:07.680 Prime Minister and Penny Wong was serious about this, they 0:12:07.720 --> 0:12:09.719 could take stronger action, have. 0:12:09.720 --> 0:12:13.040 A look and so if the government is really concerned 0:12:13.080 --> 0:12:15.760 about what the ambassador has said, then there are powers 0:12:15.760 --> 0:12:18.280 of rble to the Minister for Foreign Affairs to make 0:12:18.320 --> 0:12:21.480 an ambassador persona on Grada and send them home. And 0:12:21.520 --> 0:12:23.400 it's up to the government and the Foreign Minister to 0:12:23.440 --> 0:12:26.360 explain if she's not going to use those powers. If 0:12:26.360 --> 0:12:28.679 she's not going to do so, why isn't she and 0:12:28.760 --> 0:12:30.760 how bad would it have to get What could they 0:12:30.800 --> 0:12:32.560 say that would cause her to use that option of 0:12:32.600 --> 0:12:33.040 able to. 0:12:34.520 --> 0:12:37.080 Now you might think, oh, it's just a social media post, 0:12:37.240 --> 0:12:41.120 what's the big deal. Well, the AZO Director General, Mike 0:12:41.200 --> 0:12:45.600 Burgess told me today just how dangerous this type of 0:12:45.720 --> 0:12:46.800 language from. 0:12:46.679 --> 0:12:48.080 The Iranian ambassador is. 0:12:48.559 --> 0:12:51.880 These are exclusive comments, and he told me the comments 0:12:51.880 --> 0:12:56.640 were disgraceful and given the current security climate, deeply unhelpful. 0:12:57.200 --> 0:13:02.680 Inflamed language can inflame emotions an inflame action, he said, 0:13:02.720 --> 0:13:05.920 I again call on all parties to reflect on the 0:13:05.920 --> 0:13:09.840 words they use and the impacts they can have. So 0:13:09.920 --> 0:13:13.000 those exclusive comments from the Boss of ASIO, the top 0:13:13.040 --> 0:13:17.480 spy agency about the Iranian ambassador, let's bring in now 0:13:17.559 --> 0:13:20.800 our Tuesday panel former Speaker of the House Bronwin Bishop 0:13:20.840 --> 0:13:23.480 and Shadow Housing Minister Michael Sooker. 0:13:23.720 --> 0:13:25.200 Welcome to you both. 0:13:26.040 --> 0:13:30.400 Michael, that is a rare rebuke of an ambassador from 0:13:30.520 --> 0:13:31.360 ASIO from. 0:13:31.200 --> 0:13:34.600 The Boss of Aisio. Do you agree with James Patterson. 0:13:34.600 --> 0:13:37.600 Do you think Penny Wong and ALBINIZI should have perhaps 0:13:37.640 --> 0:13:40.400 expelled the Iranian ambassador over these remarks? 0:13:41.880 --> 0:13:45.520 Well, of course I agree with James Patterson, and one 0:13:45.800 --> 0:13:49.760 I think can reflect on this, And I suspect one 0:13:49.840 --> 0:13:53.040 of the motivations for the ambassador on this is that 0:13:53.080 --> 0:13:56.680 he knows how weak Anthony Albanesi and this government is. 0:13:56.720 --> 0:14:00.959 The probably made a calculated decision that he would get 0:14:00.960 --> 0:14:03.680 away with it because they are so weak, as weak 0:14:03.720 --> 0:14:08.839 as water, And you know, diplomats like that generally make 0:14:09.000 --> 0:14:12.720 very calculated statements. And I suspect he knew that he 0:14:12.760 --> 0:14:15.040 would get not so much as a wrap over the knuckle. 0:14:15.080 --> 0:14:17.959 He got caught into the Department for a cup of tea. 0:14:19.160 --> 0:14:25.920 Albanezy is so weak and every single day he seems 0:14:25.920 --> 0:14:29.280 to exceed himself as to how weak he can possibly be. 0:14:30.200 --> 0:14:33.600 I think this is a clear cutcase. I think, as 0:14:34.200 --> 0:14:39.080 Simon Birmingham has said, this could amount to incitement under 0:14:39.120 --> 0:14:42.400 our criminal Code and those are the sorts of things 0:14:42.480 --> 0:14:47.960 that someone like Mike Burgess doesn't weigh into lightly. And 0:14:48.000 --> 0:14:51.120 I spect that Mike Burgess has waited into that because 0:14:51.560 --> 0:14:56.320 he has seen how weak the government's response has been run. 0:14:56.600 --> 0:14:57.440 What do you think on this? 0:14:57.560 --> 0:15:01.160 I mean Mike Burgess's intervention here comes when he just 0:15:01.320 --> 0:15:05.000 yesterday raised the terror threat level to probable. We just 0:15:05.040 --> 0:15:07.520 heard from Michael Silk of the suggestion that this could 0:15:07.560 --> 0:15:09.520 be incitement to violence? 0:15:10.000 --> 0:15:14.000 Do you think this is that dangerous language? 0:15:14.360 --> 0:15:17.280 Absolutely? But the thing that gets me where is this 0:15:17.560 --> 0:15:21.760 royal we come from? I am ashamed to have such 0:15:21.800 --> 0:15:26.280 a coward from our Prime minister at Penny One's way. 0:15:26.800 --> 0:15:30.360 He should call in the ambassador. He should have been 0:15:30.560 --> 0:15:36.960 absolutely had the stripped words to him saying you are 0:15:37.000 --> 0:15:40.600 no longer acceptable in this country. What that man was saying, 0:15:40.680 --> 0:15:44.200 that ambassador was calling for the genocide of the Jewish nation. 0:15:44.360 --> 0:15:47.040 That's what he was calling through and you could see 0:15:47.360 --> 0:15:50.080 Hitler could smile from his grave that he's passed on 0:15:50.160 --> 0:15:54.480 such hatred. And to think that we get, oh, we 0:15:54.600 --> 0:15:57.800 called him in to talk to the department, is just appalling. 0:15:58.280 --> 0:16:03.440 It's just appalling and quite unacceptable is a word that 0:16:04.360 --> 0:16:07.600 I'm beginning to turn off greatly because it's been robbed 0:16:07.640 --> 0:16:12.800 of any meaning. What happened today is cowardice, nothing short 0:16:12.880 --> 0:16:15.400 of the government. And Michael's quite right when he says 0:16:15.440 --> 0:16:19.160 that the ambassador made a calculated decision that nothing would 0:16:19.160 --> 0:16:24.320 happen to him and his confreres and the people of Homas, 0:16:24.520 --> 0:16:25.200 they would laugh. 0:16:25.560 --> 0:16:25.800 Yeah. 0:16:25.960 --> 0:16:29.520 No, indeed, I think your remarks about the Hitler comparison, 0:16:29.680 --> 0:16:30.600 you know, spot on. 0:16:31.400 --> 0:16:31.720 Now. 0:16:31.800 --> 0:16:35.400 We all knew this already about the era employees, but 0:16:35.960 --> 0:16:39.280 big news today because the United Nations officially came out 0:16:39.320 --> 0:16:42.800 and said that nine employees of UNRA were likely involved 0:16:42.800 --> 0:16:46.320 in the October seven attacks. United Nations held a press 0:16:46.360 --> 0:16:50.880 conference but said it had no idea where those nine 0:16:51.080 --> 0:16:55.160 UNRA staff involved in the October seven attacks are now. 0:16:55.280 --> 0:16:58.880 Have a look, are any of them in Israeli custody? 0:16:59.160 --> 0:17:01.640 Where are they? Are you there? 0:17:01.680 --> 0:17:05.960 I don't have a case by case amount of information. 0:17:06.600 --> 0:17:09.320 I believe that they're not. I believe that they're not 0:17:10.359 --> 0:17:11.880 people who are currently in custody. 0:17:12.840 --> 0:17:16.240 I mean, the UN supposedly all concerned about justice, Well 0:17:16.800 --> 0:17:20.840 where is the justice? Why aren't these people facing a court? 0:17:20.920 --> 0:17:24.680 They absolutely should well. The Opposition leader Peter Dutton today 0:17:24.880 --> 0:17:29.840 called on the Albanese government to stop funding this group. 0:17:31.680 --> 0:17:36.760 It should cause the Aurbanzi government to reconsider their involvement 0:17:36.840 --> 0:17:40.919 to their engagement, their funding of UNRA. It's completely an 0:17:40.960 --> 0:17:44.800 utterly unacceptable that a UN agency would have employees involved 0:17:44.840 --> 0:17:48.400 in or alleged to have been involved in the October 0:17:48.440 --> 0:17:50.760 seventh tragedy. 0:17:51.240 --> 0:17:53.680 And these revelations are just the tip of the iceberg. 0:17:53.720 --> 0:17:56.399 As we've spoken about on this show before, the links 0:17:56.400 --> 0:18:00.439 between ANRA and terrorism and extremism and in doctor tranation 0:18:00.520 --> 0:18:04.240 of children are extensive and date back years. 0:18:04.760 --> 0:18:05.840 Michael Sika, what do you. 0:18:05.840 --> 0:18:09.680 Think it says about the Albanzi government that this has 0:18:09.960 --> 0:18:14.399 emerged big press conference and they're still happy to send 0:18:14.640 --> 0:18:18.960 millions and millions and millions and millions of our hard earned, 0:18:19.000 --> 0:18:22.160 taxpaid dollars to this group that has been linked to terrorism. 0:18:23.640 --> 0:18:27.840 It's disgusting it's beyond belief. You know, weakness is a 0:18:27.880 --> 0:18:30.639 theme I think tonight in critiquing the governments. How weak 0:18:31.640 --> 0:18:35.880 is Anthony Albanesi and this government? And it's disgusting because 0:18:35.960 --> 0:18:39.800 we've sent sixty million dollars of Australian taxpayers money over 0:18:39.840 --> 0:18:44.920 there that he's funding. Quite frankly people who have been 0:18:45.080 --> 0:18:49.200 terrorists and presumably have only we're only able to participate 0:18:49.240 --> 0:18:51.719 in terrorist as because they are on the under a 0:18:51.760 --> 0:18:59.199 payroll and sadly Australian taxpayers dollars have contributed to that organization. 0:18:59.359 --> 0:19:02.320 So Anthony ll needs he's asking Australians to get up 0:19:02.440 --> 0:19:06.600 every morning, work hard, take more of their paypacket in 0:19:06.680 --> 0:19:08.800 order to ship it over to NRA so they can 0:19:08.880 --> 0:19:12.080 employ people to be part of a terrorist organization. It 0:19:12.200 --> 0:19:16.200 is just beyond belief. You almost laugh if it wasn't 0:19:16.240 --> 0:19:20.000 such a serious topic, because this is a clear cutcase 0:19:20.720 --> 0:19:22.880 as the US is quite rightly done where you cut 0:19:22.920 --> 0:19:26.240 off the funding. Now Anthony Alberanezi needs to explain what 0:19:26.359 --> 0:19:29.080 does he know that the United States doesn't know? What's 0:19:29.080 --> 0:19:33.040 his intelligence that the United States doesn't have because they've 0:19:33.080 --> 0:19:36.800 cut off the funding, He's reinstated the funding and let's 0:19:36.840 --> 0:19:40.440 always remember Shari, this is not Anthony Albanese's money. He's 0:19:41.040 --> 0:19:45.439 using Australia as taxpayers money. It's in our name money 0:19:45.480 --> 0:19:49.199 being sent over to anra who I think, in the 0:19:49.240 --> 0:19:53.400 full light of day, will be shown to have employed 0:19:53.400 --> 0:19:56.959 people who were up to their necks in this absolute atrocity. 0:19:57.200 --> 0:19:57.680 Exactly. 0:19:58.000 --> 0:20:01.359 And Bronwin, you know what's even work is that initially 0:20:01.520 --> 0:20:05.320 the government paused funding, but they didn't even wait for 0:20:05.359 --> 0:20:08.200 the investigation before recommencing it again. 0:20:08.359 --> 0:20:11.840 Well, Pennywong has showed herself to have made some made 0:20:11.920 --> 0:20:14.960 decision on which side she backs, and she's backing the 0:20:14.960 --> 0:20:19.600 Palestinians and she doesn't care about what happens to the 0:20:19.640 --> 0:20:24.879 Israeli citizens, Otherwise she would cut the funding. America has 0:20:25.280 --> 0:20:30.160 ensured that the funding is not being renewed. But honestly 0:20:30.200 --> 0:20:35.080 and truly, when you see that the United Nations has 0:20:35.400 --> 0:20:39.560 become so self righteous about so many issues, why aren't 0:20:39.560 --> 0:20:42.359 these nine people being referred to the International Criminal Court? 0:20:42.640 --> 0:20:44.080 Why aren't they being prosecuted? 0:20:44.200 --> 0:20:44.520 Exactly? 0:20:44.520 --> 0:20:47.160 Why aren't they being hearded up and kept I mean, 0:20:47.640 --> 0:20:48.920 it just makes a joke of it. 0:20:49.440 --> 0:20:51.919 Where are they now? Are they in Gaza? Are they 0:20:51.960 --> 0:20:54.000 still working with harms. I mean there's a lot you'll 0:20:54.080 --> 0:20:55.000 need to know about. 0:20:54.800 --> 0:20:57.720 This well, and look at the amount of money that's 0:20:57.760 --> 0:21:03.280 at stake. It is said that agency has thirty thousand 0:21:03.400 --> 0:21:07.680 employees doing what doing good? 0:21:07.760 --> 0:21:09.199 Question? Good question? 0:21:10.119 --> 0:21:11.919 Now a bit of a change of pace now the 0:21:11.960 --> 0:21:15.080 New South Wales and Victorian governments are at odds over 0:21:15.119 --> 0:21:17.800 whether public service employees should. 0:21:17.560 --> 0:21:19.640 Be forced back into the office. 0:21:19.880 --> 0:21:23.560 New South I was Premier Chris Mins publicly said today 0:21:23.760 --> 0:21:27.760 that he thought it was bizarre Victoria wasn't asking their 0:21:27.840 --> 0:21:31.320 employees to get back to work after what were quite 0:21:31.359 --> 0:21:33.040 extreme COVID restrictions. 0:21:33.040 --> 0:21:37.000 Have a look, I've seen the Victorian government, not New 0:21:37.080 --> 0:21:38.720 South Wales for this change. 0:21:38.920 --> 0:21:39.880 We're not for changing. 0:21:39.960 --> 0:21:42.000 We think it's important for the public service in New 0:21:42.040 --> 0:21:42.720 South Wales. 0:21:43.000 --> 0:21:44.479 And at the end of the day, frankly, with all 0:21:44.520 --> 0:21:45.680 of the lockdowns. 0:21:45.200 --> 0:21:46.680 In Melbourne, I would have thought a lot of people 0:21:46.720 --> 0:21:48.520 in Victoria would be desperate to get out of the house. 0:21:49.840 --> 0:21:52.879 The Allen government in Victoria said that any public servants 0:21:52.920 --> 0:21:56.640 from New South Wales who wanted workplace flexibility should move 0:21:56.840 --> 0:22:01.320 to Victoria. Michael Suko, you know you live in Melbourne. 0:22:01.600 --> 0:22:06.480 What did you think of this response from Victoria, Well. 0:22:06.320 --> 0:22:10.560 There were smart alic words from a premier who's basically 0:22:10.640 --> 0:22:15.240 running an insolvent government. Let's be frankier, and the premier 0:22:15.320 --> 0:22:19.960 has been a part of every single decision, wayful decision 0:22:20.080 --> 0:22:23.920 that has led Victoria to the position wherein now I 0:22:23.960 --> 0:22:26.840 think the Premier of New South Wales has made a 0:22:26.880 --> 0:22:30.840 pretty self evident call today in many respects that follows 0:22:30.880 --> 0:22:34.320 what the corporate world is already doing. And I think 0:22:35.040 --> 0:22:37.359 the truth is of public servants, they are there to 0:22:37.400 --> 0:22:40.320 serve the public good and the vast majority of them 0:22:40.359 --> 0:22:44.000 want to do so, but they need some leadership. And 0:22:44.960 --> 0:22:48.280 this sort of smart alec line from the Victorian premier, 0:22:49.160 --> 0:22:51.080 I mean they are the worst performing government in this 0:22:51.160 --> 0:22:56.800 country behind Anthony Albanese's government. So she doesn't exactly have 0:22:56.960 --> 0:23:01.399 a place occupy a place where she should be giving 0:23:01.400 --> 0:23:05.200 advice to any other state, let alone sort of smart 0:23:05.320 --> 0:23:09.920 lines like that. This is sadly Victoria a government that's 0:23:09.920 --> 0:23:15.080 seeing business leave our state, investment leave our state, and 0:23:15.760 --> 0:23:21.159 on so many metrics, Victoria which occupied and I'm a 0:23:21.280 --> 0:23:25.320 very parochial Victorian, but Victoria which occupied the upper echelon 0:23:25.359 --> 0:23:29.879 of virtually every single economic statistic in this country is 0:23:29.920 --> 0:23:31.960 now right at the bottom of the ladder, and I 0:23:31.960 --> 0:23:34.800 would have thought someone like the Victorian premier will try 0:23:34.800 --> 0:23:37.040 and take some advice and look at what other states 0:23:37.040 --> 0:23:40.040