WEBVTT - I Ask A MAFS Producer How She Sleeps At Night (Interview Pt.2)

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<v Speaker 1>Hello, and welcome back to the Mass Funny podcast and

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<v Speaker 1>part two of my interview with former producer Alex Fanelle.

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<v Speaker 1>If you haven't heard yesterday's part one, yeah, I would

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<v Speaker 1>urge you to go do that before jumping in here.

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<v Speaker 1>Otherwise you just you've missed half the chat. Basically where

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<v Speaker 1>we left off yesterday. I just asked her about the

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<v Speaker 1>process of frank and grabbing, which most people would just

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<v Speaker 1>call massive editing fails, and why they do this, why

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<v Speaker 1>they chop sentences up and merge them together, and yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll I'll just jump straight back in so here we

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<v Speaker 1>go back to the conversation to get back to like

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<v Speaker 1>you as a producer, I want to bring up this

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<v Speaker 1>this topic which always comes out in the media every

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<v Speaker 1>year called frank and biting.

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<v Speaker 2>It's actually called franken grabs. Would they say frank and bite.

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<v Speaker 2>It's week all them frank and grabs.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So for the listeners to this who don't know

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<v Speaker 1>what a frank and grab is, it's where you would

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<v Speaker 1>essentially take maybe a few words from one sentence, a

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<v Speaker 1>few words from a sentence a few days later of

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<v Speaker 1>a participant, and you mash it all together to make

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<v Speaker 1>a whole new sentence, which is often not what we're

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<v Speaker 1>said in the slightest Uh, that.

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<v Speaker 2>Is not what my definition of it is. But the

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<v Speaker 2>technical side is correct, Yes it is.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, look before we let me play a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>examples of this, so take a listen to these.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess for me, when I said I wanted to leave,

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<v Speaker 2>it was because I was scared. No matter what happens tonight,

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's important for me to, like Carolyna, know

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<v Speaker 2>how I'm feeling.

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<v Speaker 1>So to me, there I can hear that, you can

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<v Speaker 1>hear the like different inflection in the words. It goes,

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<v Speaker 1>I do not like this about like you can tell

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<v Speaker 1>this fake.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Well, but why did I do that?

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<v Speaker 1>Because to me, that feels like a sloppy, desperate attempt

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<v Speaker 1>to say, Okay, we have this storyline, we need to

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<v Speaker 1>run with it. But they haven't said anything to keep

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<v Speaker 1>that storyline going, So fuck do what you have to

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<v Speaker 1>to just like it's it's not real.

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<v Speaker 2>Half the time the participants talk in circles and riddles.

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<v Speaker 2>It's so hard to get a clear sentence from them.

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<v Speaker 2>Frank and grabbing isn't something that is unique to reality TV.

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<v Speaker 2>That's something that exists in all TV shows, in all media,

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<v Speaker 2>in all documentary. Putting sentences together and cutting the shit

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<v Speaker 2>in the middle and clarifying what somebody says is a

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<v Speaker 2>technique as old as time in television, in movies. Secondly, ideally,

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<v Speaker 2>you don't want to be doing that. Ideally, the participants

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<v Speaker 2>speak in a way that makes sense for the audience

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<v Speaker 2>and to the story we're telling. Most of the time,

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<v Speaker 2>a frank can grab is used to clarify what somebody's

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<v Speaker 2>trying to say. They still said it, They've got the

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<v Speaker 2>sentiment of what they're saying.

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<v Speaker 3>Sometimes they're like.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, it was like, you know, he was,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, looking at me weird, and you know I

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<v Speaker 2>felt like pressured and oh, I don't know, like it's

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<v Speaker 2>all okay, So we know what.

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<v Speaker 3>That person's saying, but they didn't say it. So what might.

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<v Speaker 2>Happen is you'd find parts where they've said something that

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<v Speaker 2>implies that. So we're always trying to just clarify what

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<v Speaker 2>they're doing in terms of taking things completely out of

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<v Speaker 2>context or saying things. I personally haven't ever used a

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<v Speaker 2>frank and grab for that. I can actually put hand

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<v Speaker 2>on heart and say I have never used a Franken

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<v Speaker 2>grab to make somebody say something that wasn't aligned with

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<v Speaker 2>what their sentiment was in that interview. Most of the time,

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<v Speaker 2>when somebody is being a dick or saying or being salacious,

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<v Speaker 2>you see it coming out of their mouth, and that's

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<v Speaker 2>what the audience ultimately knows. They're like, you can blame

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<v Speaker 2>me edit and the Frankens or whatever, but we saw

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<v Speaker 2>you saying it. We saw you looking at her like that,

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<v Speaker 2>we saw you saying it to her face, and so

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<v Speaker 2>I really do begrudge the whole It's a frank and Grabs.

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<v Speaker 1>So when someone comes out and says they blame the idea,

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<v Speaker 1>I suppose what I'm realizing here talking to you is

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<v Speaker 1>it's not as simple as them just going that's out

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<v Speaker 1>of context, because their perception of blaming the edit might

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<v Speaker 1>be because they will hear a frank and Grab and

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<v Speaker 1>they go, I didn't say that, but they don't realize

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<v Speaker 1>that it was like they kind of did, just not

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<v Speaker 1>in those words.

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<v Speaker 2>You can get really hung up on being like, I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't say that specific thing. But that's like straw man argument, right.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, just because you didn't say that specific thing

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<v Speaker 2>does not then equal that none of this happened.

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<v Speaker 3>No.

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<v Speaker 1>I love how you've not worked them mapsprokably for years now,

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<v Speaker 1>and you're like, you're almost like defending it still, And

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<v Speaker 1>I get that because it's your work. But I suppose

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<v Speaker 1>me as a person watching this, I'm constantly I almost

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<v Speaker 1>side with their participants and I'm like, yeah, the fucking

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<v Speaker 1>fucking editors did them dirty. But then talking to you,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like, no, this is the reason that looks like

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<v Speaker 1>that and this sounds like that.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I just don't think it's as salacious as people

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<v Speaker 3>want it to be. That's the truth. And I'm not

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<v Speaker 3>really defending this beeause.

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<v Speaker 2>Before I worked on Maths, I was just an audience

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<v Speaker 2>like everybody else, and I was really keen to get

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<v Speaker 2>on the show because I loved it and I still

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<v Speaker 2>love it, and I was warning to see, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>how much of it is the edit, how much of

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<v Speaker 2>it is the manipulation, how much of it is frankin grabs.

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<v Speaker 3>You know. I had the same questions as.

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<v Speaker 2>Everybody would, and I was interested when I was like

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<v Speaker 2>when I realized, ah, sometimes everything is just a practical

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<v Speaker 2>reason and a really reasonable explanation for a lot of it,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's what then started to get me worked up

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<v Speaker 2>when people would always blame the edit. I'm like, no,

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<v Speaker 2>most of the time, Like, for example, okay that the

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<v Speaker 2>groom that dropped his bride was the scene yesterday, Ryan,

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<v Speaker 2>there was a scene yesterday where they're meditating and they've

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<v Speaker 2>got a voiceover of him, like spec replaying the instance

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<v Speaker 2>of him dropping her on the.

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<v Speaker 3>Ground and oh my god, I can't believe I dropped her.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's comedy, right, there's no way that that actually

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<v Speaker 2>that he that they can prove that he was actually

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<v Speaker 2>thinking that when he meditated, But is it such a

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<v Speaker 2>long bow to draw that he was still thinking about that,

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<v Speaker 2>because the day before he was saying, I don't put

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<v Speaker 2>that to air.

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<v Speaker 3>I can't believe I dropped my bride. I can't believe it.

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<v Speaker 2>And so there's always a bit of creative you know,

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<v Speaker 2>a creative license when it comes to these scenes, but

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<v Speaker 2>it's often based in what really the sentiment and what

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<v Speaker 2>really has been happening.

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<v Speaker 1>Because I suppose at the end of the day, as

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<v Speaker 1>we've already said that, we may watch this thing in

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<v Speaker 1>the show is about finding love for these people, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's not. The show is an entertainment show created to

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<v Speaker 1>entertain viewers. If someone finds lovers a byproduct of that, great.

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<v Speaker 3>But that that's entertainment as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Though Yeah, well I don't know what The show originally

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<v Speaker 2>started as.

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<v Speaker 1>Married at First Sight is a Swedish format, I believe,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was originally like pitched as like almost a documentary,

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<v Speaker 1>and then the Swedish one was boring, and then there

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<v Speaker 1>was a couple of UK series and they only have

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<v Speaker 1>two or three couples. They weren't the dinner parties and

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<v Speaker 1>it was just kind of fly on the wall and

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<v Speaker 1>it was boring. It started with the wedding but boring,

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<v Speaker 1>and then the first few seasons of the Australia one boring.

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<v Speaker 1>And then they brought Tara McWilliams as executive producer and

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<v Speaker 1>she came from like Master Chef on one of the

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<v Speaker 1>other dramatized shows, and she flipped everything. She Her first

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<v Speaker 1>season was the one with there was some twins from

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<v Speaker 1>Perth nick and I don't remember the names, and then

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<v Speaker 1>there was a chick called Cheryl. I believe. There was

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<v Speaker 1>drama with her and there was a farmer who ran

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<v Speaker 1>away or something, but she essentially flipped what the show is.

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<v Speaker 1>She kept like the overall concept of strangers marry, but

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<v Speaker 1>she sensationalized it and made it bigger and better, and

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<v Speaker 1>that worked so well that every other franchise around the

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<v Speaker 1>world is now copying the Australian format.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so it's almost like it got spring of fired.

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<v Speaker 3>Have you watched that Springer documentary?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh?

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<v Speaker 3>No, you got to watch it. It's so good. It's

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<v Speaker 3>that exact story. Jerry Springer is a show used to

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<v Speaker 3>be so.

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<v Speaker 2>Bland and boring and it was just tanking in the ratings,

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<v Speaker 2>and then this executive producer came along and he was

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<v Speaker 2>a tabloid journalist and he was like, nah, we need

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<v Speaker 2>to flip it.

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<v Speaker 3>On its head.

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<v Speaker 2>We want stories like this, and it just that's when

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<v Speaker 2>it started to become bonkers.

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<v Speaker 3>But that's when it started to rape well.

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<v Speaker 2>And you can get angry at Maths for displaying all

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<v Speaker 2>this behavior, but also we need to be angry at

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<v Speaker 2>ourselves as an audience, because we vote with our eyeballs,

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<v Speaker 2>we vote with.

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<v Speaker 3>Our remotes, and we're still watching it. But so who's

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<v Speaker 3>the villain.

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<v Speaker 1>It's kind of like a representation of the world as

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<v Speaker 1>a as a whole, because every year, our perceptions of

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<v Speaker 1>like what's normal are acceptable in society goes to a

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<v Speaker 1>new extreme. Like I was in high school maybe fifteen

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<v Speaker 1>years ago, and I remember back then, if like a

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<v Speaker 1>celebrity is topless, picked eleaked, it would be outraged. Remember

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<v Speaker 1>Paris Hilton had a sex step. Outrage shocking, disgusting, slut shaming.

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<v Speaker 1>Can't believe that would ever happen. And then gradually more

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<v Speaker 1>people started, like only fans became a thing and it

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<v Speaker 1>was like, oh my god, someone is selling pictures of

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<v Speaker 1>their boobs and the media were outraged. And now we've

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<v Speaker 1>got Bonnie Blue OnlyFans star I fucked a thousand people today.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, okay, I know what's the next extreme? And

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<v Speaker 1>just to go into the only fans world. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if you know these people, but Bonnie Blue is

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<v Speaker 1>like the current kind of one taking fans. Oh yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>She did the thousand people in a day, But then

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<v Speaker 1>two months before that, the UK version of her, Lily Phillips,

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<v Speaker 1>she slept with one hundred people in a day and

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<v Speaker 1>made a documentary about it and everyone was like disgusting,

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<v Speaker 1>how can she? So then Bonnie comes out does a

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<v Speaker 1>thousand and you know what, Lily, You know what Lily

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<v Speaker 1>did The day after Bonnie Slept with a thousand what

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<v Speaker 1>she was scrolling on Twitter? She posted a selfie style

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<v Speaker 1>video walking through London at five Hey guys, just on

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<v Speaker 1>a come walk, just like left the guy's house and

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<v Speaker 1>she had semen dripping down her face while walking down

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<v Speaker 1>the street. And I was like, what is happened into

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<v Speaker 1>the world, and like she posted it as in like

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<v Speaker 1>this was the most normal thing ever.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>The the thousand people in a day thing really just

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<v Speaker 3>is so bizarre to me. The whole that whole thing

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<v Speaker 3>is bizarre.

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<v Speaker 1>But then I think Maths is gonna like how do

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<v Speaker 1>they keep getting more extreme? And obviously we know most

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<v Speaker 1>of these participants and upon only fans, which I've got

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<v Speaker 1>no problem with, like who cares? But then like, at

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<v Speaker 1>what point are they going to bring that into the show?

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<v Speaker 1>And then I know at the minute they're trying to

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<v Speaker 1>keep it somewhat family friendly because they want like family

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<v Speaker 1>friendly advertisers like wool Worfs and Cols and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>those ones who maybe don't want to be aligned with

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<v Speaker 1>adult content. But for Maths to keep evolving and reflecting society,

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<v Speaker 1>it's almost like I wouldn't be surprised next year, if

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<v Speaker 1>there's a storyline where a bride's caught filming porn with

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<v Speaker 1>six different men while a husband's at the gym, like

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<v Speaker 1>you know, because and she's like, well, I'm a creator,

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<v Speaker 1>he knew that. You know, that's my job.

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<v Speaker 3>You should be a maths producer.

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<v Speaker 1>If they do that exact storyline next year, I want royalties,

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<v Speaker 1>But I don't know. We're getting sidetracked, I think. Before

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<v Speaker 1>I wrap this, I just want to say so the

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<v Speaker 1>general perception from the public is maps producers are evil,

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<v Speaker 1>the horrible people. How did they sleep at night? How

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<v Speaker 1>did you sleep at night?

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<v Speaker 3>Sleep so well?

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<v Speaker 1>And like the colleagues you work with, just normal everyday

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<v Speaker 1>people with a job. They're not like even monsters.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I don't think so, We're just normal people. Were

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<v Speaker 3>you know.

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<v Speaker 2>I have worked on lots of different shows. I have

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<v Speaker 2>a journalism background. I've worked on Neighbors, Home and Away,

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<v Speaker 2>the Projects, Sunrise Master Chef.

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<v Speaker 3>Your job is as a journalist.

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<v Speaker 2>As a producer, it's always clarify a story, amplifier story

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<v Speaker 2>and make it andentertaining.

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<v Speaker 3>That's always your job.

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<v Speaker 2>That is just the lens through which any media professional

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<v Speaker 2>will always bring to whatever show they work on you

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<v Speaker 2>do the same. Yeah, you know what's interesting and what's not.

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<v Speaker 1>But what's what I find interested in? That is so

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<v Speaker 1>my background was I got into the industry randomly because

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<v Speaker 1>I just liked celebrity culture. And then I would skip

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<v Speaker 1>school with my mum's little shit digital camera and I

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<v Speaker 1>became britain youngest paparazzi. And then yeah, I did, like

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<v Speaker 1>I put a book out recently, and not to go

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<v Speaker 1>into that, but I spoke about the couple of years

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<v Speaker 1>I did doing that, and I quit that because I

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<v Speaker 1>felt I crossed the line morally and I did a

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<v Speaker 1>set of pictures that still kind of haunt me to

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<v Speaker 1>this day, which I don't agree with. And I reflected

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<v Speaker 1>on that and thought this is not for me. But

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<v Speaker 1>then I was offered a job as a tableau journalist.

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<v Speaker 1>It was great. I was suddenly I was fucking sent

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<v Speaker 1>to hang out with Ariana Grande in a hotel room.

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<v Speaker 1>I was off to a Karashian party, and I thought

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<v Speaker 1>this is great. But then as I got more senior

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<v Speaker 1>in that role, went from a magazine to a newspaper,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, look at me, my career is flying. And

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<v Speaker 1>then suddenly I was like, oh wait, I don't agree

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<v Speaker 1>with this story. I don't feel good about this one.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's like I constantly have this battle of Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe I don't agree with all of the views of

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<v Speaker 1>this corporation I work for, but is it just a job?

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<v Speaker 1>And then I suppose with maths producers, people are like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh my god, you work in TV. It's the dream.

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<v Speaker 1>But what people don't realize is maybe it's sixty five

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<v Speaker 1>percent of the dream. But then these first five percent

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<v Speaker 1>where you're like, a, do I agree with doing that?

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<v Speaker 1>Do I feel comfortable? But then I suppose look at

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<v Speaker 1>anyone in any job, even say you work in Starbucks,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm I'm sure if you go to the very top

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<v Speaker 1>of how Starbucks operates as a company, or any company,

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<v Speaker 1>you're probably like, morally, you'll find things you don't agree.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, at the end of the day, anyone who's working

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<v Speaker 2>within a capitalist system, for a corporation, there's gonna be

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<v Speaker 2>things which are unethical because that is the definition of capitalism,

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<v Speaker 2>that's the definition of business in so many ways. And

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<v Speaker 2>if you're just a human trying to exist in a

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<v Speaker 2>capital society, there are going to be things which go

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<v Speaker 2>against our.

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<v Speaker 3>Out of integrity.

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<v Speaker 2>I suppose, I guess when it comes to a career, though,

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<v Speaker 2>I believe happiness is found through acting with integrity. So

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<v Speaker 2>that is something that I have focused on more and

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<v Speaker 2>to be honest, that is what the podcast is about,

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<v Speaker 2>and that is my way of kind of living within

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<v Speaker 2>more integrity. But I can't speak for everybody that's ever

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<v Speaker 2>produce any every show. There's thousands and thousands and thousands

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<v Speaker 2>of people that have worked on these shows, and I

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<v Speaker 2>am not a representation of everybody, and this is just

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<v Speaker 2>my story and my version of things. It doesn't even

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<v Speaker 2>mean it's fact, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>And for anyone listening to this podcast as we wrap now,

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<v Speaker 1>I think they should. Actually I'm going to link your

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<v Speaker 1>podcast that Shelby's maybe in the description, and like, if

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<v Speaker 1>you're intrigued by the reality of the industry and what

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<v Speaker 1>happens behind the scenes, definitely go and listen. I'm obsessed

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<v Speaker 1>with it. It's actually fascinating to me. It's refreshing, and

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<v Speaker 1>I've never heard anyone kind of do what you and

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<v Speaker 1>Jody a doing and speak from that side of things.

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<v Speaker 2>M thank you and I we're big fans of you,

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<v Speaker 2>which is why with Jordy gave me information to.

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<v Speaker 3>Speak to you.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, Johnny, and thank you so much for your

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<v Speaker 1>time today. This has actually been a great chat. And

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<v Speaker 1>it's funny because I said I'm never going to do

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<v Speaker 1>long episodes, but i just haven't really wanted to wrap

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<v Speaker 1>this because I found it so fascinating.

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<v Speaker 2>Ah me too, Thank you, Josh.

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<v Speaker 3>Well speak to you on the internet.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, have a great day. Thank you. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>what you guys think, but to me, that whole interview

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<v Speaker 1>was actually fascinating, Like I'm so intrigued by all of

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<v Speaker 1>this stuff and just the process behind a show of

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<v Speaker 1>this scale, how it actually comes together. And I'm hoping

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<v Speaker 1>to get another former producer, one who did a few

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<v Speaker 1>more seasons and worked in like a different department, so

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<v Speaker 1>then if that goes ahead, I can ask them some

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<v Speaker 1>of the questions you guys have been submitting because Alex

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't really have answered a lot of them because that

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't really in her department. So I'm maybe trying to get,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, someone from each the apartment so we can

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<v Speaker 1>cover every element of how this show is made. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just working on that in a minute, but for now,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you for listening and see you soon.