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Speaker 1: Wiper Are you okay?

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Speaker 2: Day today guys.

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Speaker 3: Great to see the ambassadors on social media are already

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Speaker 3: posting about it. But the idea behind the day is

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Speaker 3: to ask that question, are you okay? And we want

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Speaker 3: to have a very open conversation right now.

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Speaker 2: We're going to with the laughs on hold. It's a

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Speaker 2: hard topic.

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Speaker 1: To talk about.

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Speaker 3: It's very confronting and jarring, and we might need to

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Speaker 3: let you know this topic can also cause some distress

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Speaker 3: because we've never really covered it on the show like

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Speaker 3: this before, but we're about to. But the mental illness

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Speaker 3: crisis that we have at the moment as it is

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Speaker 3: at a level that we've never seen before. And thirteen

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Speaker 3: twenty fourteen, if you'd like to join the conversation, because

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Speaker 3: the impact of lockdown over the past two years has

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Speaker 3: had a devastating effect on mental illness all ages, but

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Speaker 3: growingly the more heartbreaking on our teenagers. And you can

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Speaker 3: feel the sort of the heavy weight hanging over us

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Speaker 3: at the moment, the sort of a clouds a cloud,

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Speaker 3: and it makes things harder. So for people listening right

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Speaker 3: now that are just going day to day, they're just

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Speaker 2: I want you to know.

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Speaker 3: That there's people here to help you out. So you

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Speaker 3: see it too. In the news. Every day, you know,

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Speaker 3: there's a new headline of somebody else taking their life.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's been in the celebrity world, it's been

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Speaker 3: in the entertainment world. The stories of the teenagers throughout

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Speaker 3: the school systems don't make those websites. And quite often

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Speaker 3: you just have to click on a story to see

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Speaker 3: that someone's past and you don't have to read far

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Speaker 3: into it to notice a lifeline number that's been shared,

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Speaker 3: and you understand exactly what's taken place, and you know, personally,

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Speaker 3: I sit on the couch here and where we live

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Speaker 3: is the flight path to the gap that the helicopter takes.

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Speaker 3: And when I sit there at night and I can

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Speaker 3: hear the chopper flying over above, I just I can't

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Speaker 3: sit comfortably. I feel for the people, I feel for

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Speaker 3: the families. It just makes me feel sick. And I

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Speaker 3: think for a while now, mainstream media hasn't been covering

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Speaker 3: the situation that we have with the schools, And like

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Speaker 3: we mentioned earlier, it's that concern about the discussion having

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Speaker 3: a copycut effect, but without the discussion and the offer

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Speaker 3: of suggestion of help, well, nothing is going to change.

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Speaker 2: So last week they had just some statistics for you,

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Speaker 2: just to just to show you how alarming it is.

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Speaker 3: You know, in some states there was three hundred and

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Speaker 3: forty two children aged up to seventeen presenting with mental

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Speaker 3: health emergencies. So the amount of teenagers rushed to hospital

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Speaker 3: with self harm and suicidal ideas is up eighty eight

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Speaker 3: percent from last year. And just in this last month,

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Speaker 3: Lifeline had its four busiest days of service in fifty

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Speaker 3: seven years, three five hundred and five calls in one

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Speaker 3: single day, and that was last month. So what does

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Speaker 2: You know?

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Speaker 3: I read an article last week talking about the stress

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Speaker 3: they hear the conversations, they watch TV. You know, they're

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Speaker 3: often not old enough to be able to articulate their fears.

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Speaker 3: But the physical signs through stomach cramps and irritability and headaches,

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Speaker 3: parents often don't understand also what those side effects are from.

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Speaker 3: There were comments I saw in a post the other night,

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Speaker 3: You know, our neighbor's Souden tried to take his own

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Speaker 3: life a few nights ago. He's now in a coma.

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Speaker 3: Last year, we lost six kids from the one school

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Speaker 3: This is devastating. As a nurse, I have seen the

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Speaker 3: shocking effects of COVID, but first and foremost, I'm my

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Speaker 3: the effects on him. They need to go back to school.

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Speaker 3: My friend's a funeral director. She's taken six weeks off.

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Speaker 3: She know how hard it was seeing so many teenagers

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Speaker 3: an eleven year old. Anyway, the reason we're talking about

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Speaker 3: and we feel like talking about it, we might find

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Speaker 2: It's impossible to talk to.

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Speaker 3: Anybody, it's impossible to find a reason for being there,

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Speaker 3: and it's a very very scary place to go, and

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Speaker 3: it's the darkest place on the planet. But we just

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Speaker 3: need to reinforce for anybody that's going through that that

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Speaker 2: People want to be here for you.

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Speaker 4: And is that how it got through with you whips

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's been funny with me in the past.

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Speaker 3: I can see it coming more in more detail these days.

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Speaker 3: I just noticed patterns within myself. If I'm starting to

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Speaker 1: Talking is the biggest thing, right, Talking huge. So the

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Speaker 1: group of mates that I grew up with. We come

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Speaker 1: we come from a generation of parents that it was

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Speaker 1: a weakness to talk about this stuff. Yep, you could

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Speaker 1: never do that right, And we were like that for years, Sarah.

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Speaker 4: Well you're not taught how to do it. If your

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Speaker 1: So on to now, we've had that we've grown up

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Speaker 1: we this absolutely flawed, all of us as a group

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Speaker 1: because we don't talk about this right. We never have.

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Speaker 1: But you know what, there's something as simple as we

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Speaker 1: now say we love each other. Every time we talk

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Speaker 1: you know what to show the biggest thing out of

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Speaker 1: all of that, to show your kids that you can

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Speaker 1: do that as a man, first of all, But I

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Speaker 1: mean women do it so much more.

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Speaker 4: But it's connection, isn't it.

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Speaker 1: It's and to talk about this, and that's what we

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Speaker 1: want to do today. If you are in this situation,

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Speaker 1: and you're really struggling, and I know this is hard

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Speaker 3: You know, one of the great dangers too, And if

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Speaker 3: you're listening right now and you can relate, people become

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Speaker 3: and they think to themselves, it would be far better

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Speaker 2: And that's wrong.

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Speaker 3: Everybody needs you here, everybody needs you here, but your

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Speaker 3: depression and your mood the swings can be exaggerated outside

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Speaker 3: of the normal emotion, and that is the very very

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Speaker 3: dangerous place to be. And it might be caused by

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Speaker 3: if you're swinging in that way, please know that you're wrong.

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Speaker 3: We want you here.

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Speaker 1: Kim's given a school from Penrith. Now you're a deputy

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Speaker 1: principal in a high school out there, Kim.

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Speaker 5: I won't say where I'm a deputy at, but I am.

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Speaker 1: Yes. How real is that? Is this at your school? Kim?

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Speaker 5: So very real? And I wanted to ring in and

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Speaker 5: Are you okay?

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Speaker 6: Days?

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Speaker 5: Is really important at our school and across I think

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Speaker 5: the whole state as a society, we don't acknowledge mental

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Speaker 5: impacts on everyone. But I guess during this crisis, it's

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Speaker 5: really shown us how much more vulnerable our young people are.

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Speaker 5: We're doing a lot for our kids at the moment. Actually,

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Speaker 5: I can't wait for them to come back to school.

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Speaker 5: I can't wait to go back to school to see them.

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Speaker 7: But you know, I see them on.

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Speaker 5: The zooms and I can see the anxiety, and I

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Speaker 5: that are absolutely impacted by COVID the while entire family's

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Speaker 5: Sometimes we don't know how to have that conversation. And

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Speaker 5: as you were saying with me, you don't see the

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Speaker 5: signs in children sometimes of anxiety and depression. And if

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Speaker 5: you're feeling that yourself as an adult, how can you

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Speaker 5: important to have the conversations to you know, sit down

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Speaker 1: Have you lost any Kim, Have you lost any students

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Speaker 1: that you In my career, I have how many?

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Speaker 5: I've lost one home very extremely lucky. I've been teaching

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Speaker 5: for twenty five years. But you know, what we've just

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Speaker 5: said is very real.

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Speaker 1: Is any signs, Kim, before that happened, were there any signs?

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Speaker 5: Not at all, not at all, not at all, you know,

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Speaker 5: and that's devastating, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: I Mean they talk about.

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Speaker 3: The science, sorry, Kim, just some of the signs that

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Speaker 3: you know, you would know as a teacher, but also

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Speaker 3: for parents to be aware of. It's sort of sustained

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Speaker 3: changes in moods. It's being withdrawn from social activities, trouble

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Speaker 5: And see the signs. But at the time, yeah, there was.

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Speaker 5: It was just it came out of nowhere. And you

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Speaker 1: Your courage is amazing, Lockey. We really appreciate it, mate,

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Speaker 8: Lisa I wanted to actually care?

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Speaker 4: From a therapist once said, to your answer when people

440
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Speaker 4: say how are you? Friends and things and you sort

441
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Speaker 4: of say, yeah, I'm just fine if you don't feel

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Speaker 4: the confidence to share, A really good way to practice

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Speaker 4: is when a supermarket someone who's scanning your groceries asks

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Speaker 4: how you are. Don't just say I'm fine and look

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Speaker 4: down at your groceries. Talk to them and practice saying

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Speaker 4: how you feel, actually, I've had a really crummy day

447
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Speaker 4: to day. Explain why you don't have to offload all

448
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Speaker 4: your personal details. But it gets you into this really

449
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Speaker 4: important habit of sharing when people say how are you

450
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Speaker 4: and not just automatically going to default and saying actually

451
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Speaker 4: I'm fine. And it's a good person to practice on

452
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Speaker 4: because you walk away and they'll go on to the

453
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Speaker 4: next customer and you don't have to come back and

454
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Speaker 4: revisit your personal details with them. But it encourages you

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Speaker 4: to learn how to share does and.

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Speaker 8: The more you do it also encourage It also helps

457
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Speaker 8: other people learn how to accept that. I find that

458
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Speaker 8: if we all just keep saying we're okay, it gets

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Speaker 8: us nowhere. And my biggest thing is I say to

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Speaker 8: my mum, especially all the time, like you need to

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Speaker 8: be honest, like you can't be embarrassed about it. Yes,

462
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Speaker 8: I'm on medication. Yes I see a therapist. And I

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Speaker 8: tell people I'm like, no, I can't do that. I've

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Speaker 8: got therapy tonight. And they're like what, and I'm like, yeah,

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Speaker 8: it's important. I can't.

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Speaker 4: It's very scary for family to hear that stuff. Lisa,

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Speaker 4: that's the thing.

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Speaker 1: Wow, that is extremely courageous, very brave to you to

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Speaker 1: call is unbelievable.

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Speaker 3: There's a story that was brought to our attention to

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Speaker 3: a year twelve boy at Joey's. In fact, he's from

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Speaker 3: Armadale and I believe in the last year, the last

473
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Speaker 3: year of his school. His name is Nick Munsey. Now,

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Speaker 3: he was doing it tough and unfortunately he took his

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Speaker 3: own life. It was confronting and there was a very

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Speaker 3: moving ceremony for Munsie. But in turn, the boys and

477
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Speaker 3: the guys have got around and they've created a mullets

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Speaker 3: for Muns and they're raising money for the Black Dog Institute.

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Speaker 3: And we've actually got the head master from Joey's on

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Speaker 3: the line. Ross, welcome to the show.

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Speaker 6: Thank you very much. It's a pleasure, Ross, thanks.

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Speaker 1: For joining us.

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Speaker 3: You know, this was a lot of this conversation not

484
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Speaker 3: only around Auik Day, but how we can possibly help

485
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Speaker 3: is triggered by a Munsey's story.

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Speaker 2: As a principal.

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Speaker 3: At an interesting time, what do you do and how

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Speaker 3: do you lead in terms of reinforcing that we're all

489
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Speaker 3: going through a tough time and that there's all the

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Speaker 3: support required for the kids.

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Speaker 6: Look, I think so much of it is in the

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Speaker 6: basis of our contact with in our case with the boys,

493
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Speaker 6: these kids, and to maintaining their contact particularly challenging at

494
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Speaker 6: the moment, but looking at ways of giving them some

495
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Speaker 6: skill pieces to be able to get to a point

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Speaker 6: like your love young man was there Lucky and Lisa,

497
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Speaker 6: you know, the fact to give them the points of

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Speaker 6: the skills or the capacities to actually say something. You know,

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Speaker 6: it's to break the silence. And that's probably one of

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Speaker 6: our biggest targets.

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Speaker 1: Ross. You would see firsthand. I mean, I would dare

502
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Speaker 1: say you would have lost a few students over the years,

503
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Speaker 1: but you would see firsthand the devastation that means with

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Speaker 1: best friends and other students around the school. How do

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Speaker 1: you deal with that at the school?

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Speaker 6: Ross, Look, I'd say, it's like nothing else that can

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Speaker 6: happen in us. There's nothing else to compare it to

508
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Speaker 6: in terms of how many people it touches, not just

509
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Speaker 6: those close to the kids, but those who work with

510
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Speaker 6: these kids. You know, it just breaks their hearts, you know,

511
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Speaker 6: and everyone looks to seek what could we have done differently?

512
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Speaker 6: And then in many cases there's nothing we could have

513
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Speaker 6: done different differently, And so how we go about it

514
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Speaker 6: is we try to make as much meaning from it

515
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Speaker 6: in the sense of some meaningless situation for this young

516
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Speaker 6: person to create an awareness to try and be saved

517
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Speaker 6: one life. If you saved one life by whatever we did, well,

518
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Speaker 6: then this is this is great.

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Speaker 2: If there's more you and Ross. How are Munsy's mates doing?

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Speaker 1: Look?

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Speaker 6: They well, when how are they doing? They're missing? Yeah,

522
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Speaker 6: they missing terribly, you know, missing terribly, but they've sort

523
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Speaker 6: of their energy if you like, into what you just

524
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Speaker 6: described there the Moneths for Months fundraiser they're doing. And

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Speaker 6: it's a way of saying we care. That's the way

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Speaker 6: of saying to other young people. Look, it's out here,

527
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Speaker 6: as that brave young woman Lisa just speakes you there,

528
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Speaker 6: being brave enough to say it's okay, we're there to listen.

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Speaker 6: You know, we might be up, but we can get help.

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Speaker 6: And I think in any other moment a young person

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Speaker 6: contemplating this might not otherwise do this if there was

532
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Speaker 6: just some capacity for an intervenure. So how they're holding up,

533
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Speaker 6: they're channeling their energies in a Partiu kill away. They

534
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Speaker 6: talk to one another, they're very open about it. They're

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Speaker 6: very open in their group and try to give them

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Speaker 6: ways to express.

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Speaker 1: If you want to go and help out and get

538
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Speaker 1: involved with Mullet's for Mons, you can go and google

539
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Speaker 1: that and find out a bit more information. We appreciate

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Speaker 1: your time. Ross John from Redfern, last last call of

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Speaker 1: this morning. You're a parent who has a child going

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Speaker 1: through depression at the moment, John, Yeah, How how long

543
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Speaker 1: has this been happening for Johnny?

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Speaker 5: Guys?

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Speaker 2: I take your time, John, Yeah, no, no, no, Ok?

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Speaker 1: How old is he? Johnny? I'm so is he doing

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Speaker 1: his exams? This year's at year twelve? It was the

548
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Speaker 1: side of that.

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Speaker 9: Avenue. Too much rest and so they haven't been going

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Speaker 9: to school fast. We went with the school.

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Speaker 3: I can't, John, I think we've got it. We've got

552
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Speaker 3: a bad situation of a bad line.

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Speaker 2: Tommy. Can we call Johnny back and maybe have a

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Speaker 2: conversation with him?

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Speaker 1: Gosh, that is really tough, John, you're there? Ye, So John, John,

556
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Speaker 1: have has he been opening up to you, John? Or

557
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Speaker 1: has he gone into his shell?

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Speaker 2: Look?

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Speaker 9: So that's the biggest cause. It's hard for them to

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Speaker 9: open up to get the people, and they've been to

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Speaker 9: you know. Unfortunately, they have had some stays as possible

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Speaker 9: at the adolescent units that originally that did help, but

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Speaker 9: it's also made the problems and worse. While we've found

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Speaker 9: and we don't understand that medications they play a role

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Speaker 9: in helping people, but I think the way the system

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Speaker 9: is set up at the moment, it doesn't cared for

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Speaker 9: that individual. And I've watched some people get pitch and

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Speaker 9: poled into certain ocavism and it can increase whether the

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Speaker 9: the depression or that there's lots of start of things.

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Speaker 9: Do well when we we're trying to get them, we're

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Speaker 9: trying to get him to open up people. Yes, we've

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Speaker 9: got some great they almost.

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Speaker 1: Support Johnny Johnny, Johnny, Yeah, John Can I ask him

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Speaker 1: who do you think his mentor is? John like? Because

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Speaker 1: you know what, and I didn't know this, but I

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Speaker 1: never opened up to my old man. I never did.

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Speaker 1: And you know what, he's I look back and he

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Speaker 1: was my men. He's my mentor now when I look back.

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Speaker 1: But at the time, most kids, teenage kids do not

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Speaker 1: open up to their parents. They don't want to and

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Speaker 1: express these feelings. Is there is there someone in his

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Speaker 1: life that he does that with.

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Speaker 9: It will be Yeah, they're pretty pretty close and they

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Speaker 9: well for them, but they give them on a regular

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Speaker 9: basis just a great store there moving in the right direction. Yes,

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Speaker 9: they might open up and talk about probably on the day.

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Speaker 2: Because I think.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes also it can be a case of not having

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Speaker 3: to have a huge discussion, but just to be aware

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Speaker 3: of how they're feeling. So you know, if I'm having

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Speaker 3: a if if I'm not in a great place, I'll

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Speaker 3: ring Dad and he'll say, how you doing And I'll say, oh,

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Speaker 3: not great today, and he'll say, what are you thinking?

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Speaker 3: And I'll say, things just aren't making sense, things aren't

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Speaker 3: clear at the moment for me, and he'll know exactly

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Speaker 3: what that means. We're not there for a long conversation.

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Speaker 3: It's just for me to let him know that I'm

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Speaker 3: not great today, or I've been doing it tough over

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Speaker 3: the past month, a week, or whatever it might be.

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Speaker 3: So just not to dive into it always, but just

601
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Speaker 3: just to know that the understanding is there, that there's

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Speaker 3: extra care required.

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Speaker 2: I think can be extremely powerful.

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Speaker 1: This is yeah, it's amazing, tough one. It's the amount

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Speaker 1: of calls that we're getting on this The phones have

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Speaker 1: just lit up, and obviously we can't get to everyone,

607
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Speaker 1: but there are people to talk to, obviously Lifeline if

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00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 1: you are having problems, and this is an amazing phone

609
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 1: call that you can sit down and chat to someone.

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Speaker 1: But if you are doing it tough, it's thirteen eleven fourteen,

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Speaker 1: but it is are you okay? Day? Very important day,

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00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 1: and it's as simple as now when you're on your

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Speaker 1: phone to family and friends, and that those simple words

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Speaker 1: of are you okay? I just wanted to check in

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Speaker 1: on you and see how you're doing. You know what,

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Speaker 1: a majority of the time will get a positive response back.

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Speaker 1: But it's that if it's one person in you, in

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Speaker 1: your life that you can change today's let's do it.

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Speaker 1: We need it more, call need it more than ever.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for if you're not being asked, tell the mate.

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Speaker 1: Thank you very much for everybody's calls this mornings and

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Speaker 1: Whipper