Speaker 1: From the skying setter. This is Paul Murray live. Thank you, Charry,
Speaker 1: what going on Monday night? Lots to get to Thank
Speaker 1: you to everyone, and come and saw us in Tazzy
Speaker 1: Loncest in his spectacular.
Speaker 2: The weather much better there than in other parts of
Speaker 2: the country today.
Speaker 1: Go and see it with your own eyes. Hang out,
Speaker 1: not just for a long weekend, do the whole week.
Speaker 2: Now, let's get to I'm sorry, Lydia Thorpe, right, I
Speaker 2: say sorry because this is what she wanted right.
Speaker 1: Royals are in Canberra.
Speaker 2: King's just finished his speech because she's an elected senator
Speaker 2: with Labor Party preferences. By the way, of course, she's
Speaker 2: in the room whether we like it or not, which
Speaker 2: means there she is, front and setter, getting ready to
Speaker 2: carry on like the pork job that she can be
Speaker 2: she is. And you've heard all of this today. Oh okay,
Speaker 2: please all right, yes, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 1: The bit okay, enough enough. The bit that I wanted
Speaker 1: to show you.
Speaker 2: Though, was a little reassurance about how your fellow Australian
Speaker 2: feels when she does this. I want you to pay
Speaker 2: attention to the bit you probably didn't see on your
Speaker 2: six PM news and geez, haven't I got it for
Speaker 2: the six pm news at least one of the channels tonight.
Speaker 2: Wait till I show you their obvious spinning of the ball.
Speaker 2: But if you actually have a listen to when she
Speaker 2: was ranting and raving for forty five seconds, listen to
Speaker 2: the reaction, it's silence.
Speaker 1: Nothing happened.
Speaker 2: No one is murmuring, no one is yelling back at her,
Speaker 2: no one's saying shut up. Everyone was just collectively embarrassed
Speaker 2: at the moment took place. Again, you didn't see this
Speaker 2: when this story was being pumped up towards literally the
Speaker 2: lead story tonight, meaning we give her the attention that
Speaker 2: she wants, and yes, by talking about it now the
Speaker 2: feedback loop. But you can't not say that one person
Speaker 2: made it all about them today.
Speaker 3: That is a gentleman that concludes today's formalities.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: I mean, she can do whatever she wants, right, and
Speaker 2: the question about how the country became what it became
Speaker 2: is a long and complicated one.
Speaker 1: When we talk about it all forever, it will feel
Speaker 1: but just fair.
Speaker 2: Inker She's allowed to have it both ways right, the
Speaker 2: way that she is going to earn one point to
Speaker 2: median dollars over six years is for her to be
Speaker 2: a member of the Australian Senate. The only way you
Speaker 2: can be a member of the Australian Senate is if
Speaker 2: you swear allegiance to the King as the ultimate head
Speaker 2: of the system in which we live in.
Speaker 1: Now, of course we all know that she turned that
Speaker 1: into a stunt about herself.
Speaker 2: But because she wanted the cash, and because she obviously
Speaker 2: wanted the role in Australian politics, she gave the oath,
Speaker 2: but very clearly.
Speaker 1: Fingers behind her back.
Speaker 2: Now, am I suggesting that she should be booted out
Speaker 2: of the Parliament.
Speaker 1: No, but what's the.
Speaker 2: Point of getting people to give these oaths if they
Speaker 2: clearly don't mean anything. And secondly, if it's if the
Speaker 2: colony and if modern Australia doesn't that mean if the
Speaker 2: Parliament doesn't that mean the very job that she has
Speaker 2: is one by her own logic is irrelevant. Now, there
Speaker 2: isn't a country in the world that does not have
Speaker 2: some sort of complicated history. But for some reason, Australia
Speaker 2: is in just this absolute inability position to be able
Speaker 2: to understand that yes, it's past as it's passed, but
Speaker 2: its future is unlimited and the future is guaranteed to
Speaker 2: have the modernity that is only possible because of those events.
Speaker 2: No matter how difficult they have been in the past.
Speaker 2: Even if all the street names change, all the political
Speaker 2: systems change, we will still be living in the modern
Speaker 2: twenty first century Western country that people like Lydia Thorpe
Speaker 2: seek to have all of the advantages of, while simultaneously
Speaker 2: then just putting themselves on top of in terms of
Speaker 2: the leadership structure. But the reason I mentioned all this
Speaker 2: even more tonight to you is this stuff is making
Speaker 2: news back in the UK. So despite the fact that
Speaker 2: last night I showed you that very cute little girl,
Speaker 2: little Gabriella, little four year old Kurtseying a beautiful example
Speaker 2: not of an obedient Australia but just a polite Australia.
Speaker 2: Instead the Sun newspaper screaming at people this morning in
Speaker 2: the UK. The Mirror again screaming at people in the UK.
Speaker 2: This is what they think is going on in Australia now.
Speaker 2: When I was in the UK after her Majesty Queen
Speaker 2: Elizabeth the iond passed away, I was asked more questions
Speaker 2: about a republic there that I've ever had conversations in
Speaker 2: this country. So in many ways what comes out of
Speaker 2: these royal visits is going to be a bit of
Speaker 2: a caricature. And if the caricature is that the locals
Speaker 2: are restless, that there's such a significant portion of Australia
Speaker 2: that a senator thought that it was to their political
Speaker 2: advantage to scream at the King, then Australia must be
Speaker 2: teetering in a different direction than, of course the reality
Speaker 2: of where it is. Republicans, monarchists, people who voted yes,
Speaker 2: people who voted no would be embarrassed by the behavior
Speaker 2: of Lydia Thorpe. Now that does not mean that she
Speaker 2: needs to sit quiet, never open her mouth, never be
Speaker 2: able to say what she wants to say about what
Speaker 2: she believes to be the original sin that has not
Speaker 2: been dealt with by this country. But make no mistake
Speaker 2: in the UK looking at where our mutual monarch is
Speaker 2: both here while being reported back there. This was how
Speaker 2: it was going down on Sky News in the UK
Speaker 2: in the past two hours as they are moving right
Speaker 2: into the middle of their prime time during the day.
Speaker 4: That's Australia where King Charles royal tour has been derailed
Speaker 4: by a senator who's used an event in Parliament has
Speaker 4: to accuse the King of genocide before being escorted out
Speaker 4: by security.
Speaker 5: Alison, how bid the baby.
Speaker 1: Now again?
Speaker 2: Notice the way the news covers it. A royal tour
Speaker 2: has been derailed. There was a forty five second moment
Speaker 2: when silence was replaced with her yelling that was met
Speaker 2: by silence, not applause, not doing nothing. There was not
Speaker 2: hundreds of thousands of people who were rebelling against the
Speaker 2: visit of King Charles and Queen Camilla. Instead, the picture
Speaker 2: that will be told back to the UK tonight.
Speaker 1: About us is the way Lydia thought behaved today.
Speaker 2: Of course, she's making the most of it because not
Speaker 2: only does she get to do a myriad of interviews
Speaker 2: in the next twenty four hours here in Australia, she
Speaker 2: also was interviewed by the very same people who introduced
Speaker 2: the story the way they did.
Speaker 4: Satasa Thorpe is with us now. Hello to santasor thank
Speaker 4: you for taking the time to join us here on
Speaker 4: Scyne News Breakfast. Why did you do it?
Speaker 6: I did it for truth telling, global truth telling about
Speaker 6: the royals who cause so much devastation.
Speaker 2: Her decision to scream at King Charles about what happened
Speaker 2: in Queen Victoria and other royal periods of time. That's
Speaker 2: the story, because yes it's more interesting than the other story.
Speaker 2: But just as I told you yesterday, Australia a good
Speaker 2: day yesterday, Why because people turned out and had a
Speaker 2: nice time. Some thing happened again today and again I'm
Speaker 2: sorry to all of the people who actually did turn
Speaker 2: up today and enjoyed the moment.
Speaker 1: Again. They are not.
Speaker 2: Boot licking monarchists who think that the House of Windsor
Speaker 2: is better than any of us. No, they just respect
Speaker 2: the tradition. They notice that it's a global figure. They've
Speaker 2: seen this person in the heart of our political and
Speaker 2: ceremonial life, or they've seen it in the tabloids. They
Speaker 2: recognize their service. And people turned up today, thousands of them. No,
Speaker 2: it wasn't six million. And if you think that that means,
Speaker 2: oh Australia's on the verge of being a republic. Please
Speaker 2: It's a Monday, weren't a public holiday, Okay, lots of
Speaker 2: people turned up. That beautiful girl who curtsied yesterday. It
Speaker 2: was a nice, cute, lovely, warm moment. And then they
Speaker 2: go in a couple of days, no one the better,
Speaker 2: no one the worse. But the representation of what happened
Speaker 2: today because one person decided to have a one person
Speaker 2: test that not a single person applauded inside the room
Speaker 2: is a perfect example about sometimes how the media takes
Speaker 2: a moment and then decides.
Speaker 1: That's the only thing that matters.
Speaker 2: Forget the thousands of other people, forget the actual majority
Speaker 2: of the day on and oh no, no, this forty
Speaker 2: five seconds because it's colorful, and then they're throwing all
Speaker 2: the adjectives and that's all anyone remembers.
Speaker 1: And the next time you get to go to.
Speaker 2: The UK, somebody says, oh, so, how many people feel
Speaker 2: like that lady did? If you actually told them, well,
Speaker 2: not enough to get her reelected, they might be slightly shocked.
Speaker 2: But that is the reality of where we sit right now.
Speaker 2: So for those of you who actually did have a
Speaker 2: nice day to day or enjoyed watching it on the
Speaker 2: television here, listening to the radio, all the rest of it, well,
Speaker 2: here are some of the people who had a good
Speaker 2: time today and did Australia proud again, not because they
Speaker 2: were bootlicking, just because they were enjoying a nice moment
Speaker 2: in the sun of Australia.
Speaker 1: It was just remarkable, just once in a lifetime experience.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, one o the little Now.
Speaker 2: As you know, it's not quite a mystery that the
Speaker 2: program that has the bloke's name on it is an
Speaker 2: opinion show.
Speaker 1: It has been for fifty years next year.
Speaker 2: All Right, I told you everything, and you've seen everything
Speaker 2: that's happened personally and professionally, and we've ridden the roller
Speaker 2: coaster of politics and real life. Okay, but there is
Speaker 2: a little price to pay when you decide to be
Speaker 2: an opinion person, all right. Upside is that people like yourself,
Speaker 2: we develop a bond.
Speaker 1: There's a loyalty.
Speaker 2: And every time I hit harder do it for you,
Speaker 2: and every time you cheer on, I hear it back
Speaker 2: and we get stronger by the day.
Speaker 1: And as I've told you before, yep, plenty of times.
Speaker 2: And I've lost friends because of what I do for
Speaker 2: a job, what I say here on the television. We
Speaker 2: also have scenarios where that rest of the media that
Speaker 2: want to pretend we don't exist, or they pretend that
Speaker 2: we have no skill as broadcasters or television makers all
Speaker 2: the rest of it. Right, But the people who are
Speaker 2: of course celebrated are those that are the straight news journalists,
Speaker 2: no opinion whatsoever in the way they do their reporting.
Speaker 2: Perfect example, Channel nine News not an opinion piece, but
Speaker 2: the news.
Speaker 1: As straight as the straight mat is supposed to be.
Speaker 2: Jeez, I wonder if the reporter is a Republican or not.
Speaker 1: This was six PM tonight.
Speaker 7: Next month marks twenty five years since Australia had the
Speaker 7: chance to walk away from the monarchy, but we didn't.
Speaker 7: Now a next vote seems generations away. As the anthem proclaims,
Speaker 7: this king long to reign over us.
Speaker 1: It means Australian kids.
Speaker 7: Won't get the chance to be head of state. I
Speaker 7: love your glasses, but they can at least look the part.
Speaker 1: Okay, it's not quite as obvious as my opinion. You
Speaker 1: see the little swing in there.
Speaker 2: We had a chance to walk away, but we didn't. No,
Speaker 2: just like twelve months ago, we had an opportunity to
Speaker 2: change the constitution. Australians made the decision and said no,
Speaker 2: we don't believe the system needs to change.
Speaker 1: That's what happened in nineteen ninety nine.
Speaker 2: Every major company, all news organizations, all the cool kids
Speaker 2: were screaming for the rooftops, for the vote yes, but
Speaker 2: guess what, it didn't work, the same as it didn't in.
Speaker 1: Twenty twenty three.
Speaker 2: The idea that, but for generations, we will not discuss
Speaker 2: the matter.
Speaker 1: We'll discuss it when.
Speaker 2: There is a genuine ground swell of support or a
Speaker 2: need for it to happen, will debate it at the time.
Speaker 2: But the idea that will never vote ever again, and
Speaker 2: therefore these kids will never get the chance to grow
Speaker 2: up to be head of state. Come on, how many
Speaker 2: kids get to grow up and be the governor general?
Speaker 1: Please let alone that.
Speaker 2: But you get my point right, Just watch the little
Speaker 2: spins that they put in it. Because all these people
Speaker 2: who consider themselves to be better than what we do
Speaker 2: here each and every night, consider themselves to be more professional,
Speaker 2: or higher class or better operators, well, guess what, they
Speaker 2: also show their opinion, but they also get to hand
Speaker 2: out little awards for their objectivity to each other. Now,
Speaker 2: the only person who may well have been just as
Speaker 2: excited as King Charles to b in Camber today was
Speaker 2: the Prime Minister. Why because he wasn't having to talk
Speaker 2: about the domestic issues, which we all know are a.
Speaker 1: World of trouble.
Speaker 2: Peter Dutton, by the way, excellent speech that he delivered
Speaker 2: today when he was talking about all the people that
Speaker 2: were putting on their finest and clipping their hair and
Speaker 2: standing up tall, and that was just the Republicans because
Speaker 2: they all just loved the idea of the photo op.
Speaker 1: I thought all that was very clever.
Speaker 2: Real news, another poll, terrible news for Anthony Abernici, this
Speaker 2: one via the Financial Review, which I'm sure wasn't going
Speaker 2: to dominate the political world today. But now that the
Speaker 2: moment has passed in terms of the events of the Royals,
Speaker 2: they're back at the Opera House tomorrow.
Speaker 1: This is worth having a look at. Have a look
Speaker 1: at this graph.
Speaker 2: It'll show you the preferred prime minister rankings since January
Speaker 2: of last year and today. Pretty obvious one's going up,
Speaker 2: one's coming down. They're basically now sitting at the same mark.
Speaker 2: The latest Australian Financial Review fresh Water Strategy poll shows
Speaker 2: forty four percent of respondents prefer mister Abernesi as Prime Minister,
Speaker 2: compared to forty three percent for mister Dutton, meaning the
Speaker 2: foes are statistically tired after six months in office. In
Speaker 2: December twenty two, mister Aberzi led Dutton fifty five to
Speaker 2: twenty nine, it is now forty four to forty three.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah. And for those who believe.
Speaker 2: That the Prime Minister is more loved by Australians, not
Speaker 2: just preferred, not quite. As we've told you, the person
Speaker 2: who has the lower favorable number is Anthony Abernesi. The
Speaker 2: person with the higher unfavorable number is Anthony Abernesi. But
Speaker 2: of course today the shocking break glass in case of
Speaker 2: emergency news was that the Labour Party's going to go
Speaker 2: after Peter Dutton know the next election.
Speaker 1: Mate, they haven't stopped. They haven't stopped.
Speaker 2: They're still campaigning against Scott Morrison and he's long gone. Meantime,
Speaker 2: have a look again at the primary vote over time.
Speaker 2: Now again you can get lost in what this pole
Speaker 2: says versus that pole. You can see the trend in
Speaker 2: ain't the friend of the Prime Minister going from the
Speaker 2: low forties now to the mid thirties. The Liberal Party
Speaker 2: going again from the just in and around forties to
Speaker 2: now mid forties. If they stay at mid forties, well,
Speaker 2: normal election, they would win the election. But perhaps the
Speaker 2: most interesting thing in the polls that shows just how
Speaker 2: big a hole currently the government is in. I want
Speaker 2: you to see an image of all of the different issues,
Speaker 2: and then I'll get into who is preferred and who
Speaker 2: is not on those issues. You can easily see that
Speaker 2: on these particular issues, cost of living, seventy two percent
Speaker 2: of people say that's the number one issue, housing forty
Speaker 2: four percent, managing the economy twenty eight percent, health and
Speaker 2: social care, followed by crime, environment, asylum seekers. Now this
Speaker 2: is the graphic that I was trying to get to
Speaker 2: getting ahead of myself, but my excellent production team said no, no,
Speaker 2: do the first bit first, Paul, because that would make
Speaker 2: more sense.
Speaker 1: Thank you. I appreciate the advice.
Speaker 2: Well, as you can see here, best issue for the
Speaker 2: government welfare, worst issue crime and social order.
Speaker 1: Best issue for.
Speaker 2: The LNP is things like national security managing the economy.
Speaker 2: The worse for them are things like welfare and benefits.
Speaker 2: But as I just told you, the number one issue
Speaker 2: in the country is cost of living, the number two
Speaker 2: issue is housed and the number three is managing the economy.
Speaker 2: Well guess who's winning on all three of those issues.
Speaker 2: On cost of living, thirty nine percent back in the Coalition,
Speaker 2: compared to just a quarter of voters for the ALP.
Speaker 2: When it comes to housing, it's thirty five percent for
Speaker 2: the Coalition compared to twenty seven percent for the Labor Party.
Speaker 2: When it comes to managing the economy forty three percent
Speaker 2: twenty seven. Things slightly get better for the Labour Party
Speaker 2: on health and social care, but then let's go back
Speaker 2: to crime and social order forty two percent back the
Speaker 2: opposition as opposed to the Labor Party just twenty three percent.
Speaker 2: Oh and all those people who think that nuclear is
Speaker 2: such a terrible, awful idea will guess what people like
Speaker 2: the zero emission side of it. Why because the Coalition
Speaker 2: are now what less than five or about five points
Speaker 2: below the Labor Party when it comes to environment and
Speaker 2: climate change.
Speaker 1: Remember when all of that was the only thing that
Speaker 1: ever madded.
Speaker 2: And then you know, reality kicked in when it came
Speaker 2: to economics, and we are where we are. By the way,
Speaker 2: another blowout immigration and asylum seeker's forty three percent. The
Speaker 2: voters are going very hard and for obvious reasons there
Speaker 2: with the opposition, not with the government. But then there's
Speaker 2: something we should take notice of. Late on a Sunday night,
Speaker 2: you may well have been distracted by almost anything but
Speaker 2: the Spotlight program on Channel seven last night well, they
Speaker 2: decided to donate fifteen minutes of network television time to
Speaker 2: a profile slash puff piece all about the man looking
Speaker 2: into the future that would, of course, would be none
Speaker 2: other than Grimjim Charmers now Albo, if you believe Labor
Speaker 2: Party people, is one of the greats of all time.
Speaker 2: The expectation is that he could be Hawk, Keeting and
Speaker 2: rad all in one, and he could rule for the
Speaker 2: next dozen elections. Reality of polling right now is that
Speaker 2: he will be lucky to get away with the minority government,
Speaker 2: and if things are really bad between now and then,
Speaker 2: it could even be worse. Now, his assumption is that
Speaker 2: if we win minority government, that's fine, we'll hold on,
Speaker 2: or the lefty MPs will fall in our way. We'll
Speaker 2: get to do a whole bunch of lefty stuff we
Speaker 2: couldn't otherwise do, but we've been dragged to do it.
Speaker 2: Or when they suggest really stupid things like treaties or
Speaker 2: something like that, we turn around and say, oh no, no, no,
Speaker 2: and then we'll sell ourselves as reasonable and that'll be
Speaker 2: the whole play for the next three years should he
Speaker 2: be re elected in a minority government. But if things
Speaker 2: get worse during that minority government, who would theoretically be
Speaker 2: an option for the Labor Party to look at and remember,
Speaker 2: they changed Rudd Gillard Rudd and there's nothing to say
Speaker 2: that MP's facing oblivion wouldn't think about doing exactly the
Speaker 2: same thing, regardless of what the rules say. And while
Speaker 2: two thirds of the Labour Party has to vote to
Speaker 2: get rid of a sitting prime minister, fifty one or
Speaker 2: fifty plus one need to change the rules. So you
Speaker 2: get that the thresholds are a little lower than maybe
Speaker 2: they seen. Well again, Jim Chance, he was doing a
Speaker 2: little profile piece about a whole series of choices and
Speaker 2: changes that he has made in his life and whether
Speaker 2: or not he would actually challenge Anthony.
Speaker 1: Ib needs you to be the leader of the Labor Party.
Speaker 2: Watch this pick the wheasel worlds and imagine, is this
Speaker 2: the guy who's one.
Speaker 1: Hundred percent behind the current bloke Qualo tape.
Speaker 8: In what circumstances would you seek the leadership?
Speaker 3: I can't see any circumstances frankly the year.
Speaker 9: But if a good treasurer in a great Labor government
Speaker 9: which is led by Anthony from start to finish, well
Speaker 9: that's seventeen. When I reflect on that or occasionally when
Speaker 9: I'm asked about love this people like yourself. You know,
Speaker 9: I'm quite proud of the decision that I took in
Speaker 9: twenty nineteen to support Anthony for the leadership.
Speaker 3: I think that decision has been vindicated.
Speaker 8: You did have a credit for a while there, and
Speaker 8: that leadership challenge he did shows an intention to do
Speaker 8: that at some point in the future.
Speaker 1: The labor you want to be the leader, just say
Speaker 1: you want to be the leader of.
Speaker 8: The election loss the leadership is thrown open.
Speaker 1: Is he going to just say one day?
Speaker 8: Everyone's processes so you're not closing off that possibility in
Speaker 8: the future.
Speaker 3: I just can't see it happening. Yeah, I can't see it.
Speaker 8: You're never going to lose.
Speaker 3: Well, I can't see us being in that position.
Speaker 8: You're a lot younger than him. He's not going to
Speaker 8: be around for it.
Speaker 1: Okay, except so this is.
Speaker 2: A good question, right, So, even if he doesn't exist,
Speaker 2: would you like to be with you labor.
Speaker 1: Lead him or not?
Speaker 8: But if you are, that obviously would be a possibility
Speaker 8: and a reality for you that there'll be a time
Speaker 8: where you're going to have a crack at the leadership.
Speaker 3: I can't really see the circumstances that would be the case.
Speaker 2: Yeah, out boy falls apart when remember my word is
Speaker 2: my bond. Ironically, that promise was also made on the
Speaker 2: Spotlight program, so perhaps keep an eye on what was
Speaker 2: said or more importantly not said, and speaking of this show,
Speaker 2: because honestly I was watching this on the plane today
Speaker 2: coming back from Lonnie. This was extraordinary that this went
Speaker 2: to where I mean, generally speaking a fifteen minute profile.
Speaker 1: Piece of the Treasurer of Australia.
Speaker 2: But maybe there again with some insurance policy being taken
Speaker 2: out here on having the inside run on a potential
Speaker 2: next leader. A couple of things I want to talk
Speaker 2: about here though, first, which I think you're a little
Speaker 2: bit weird. Okay, Now, the first year is to do
Speaker 2: nothing to do with the economy. Instead, this is to
Speaker 2: do with some personal choices. Now you know that Jim
Speaker 2: Charmers addressed in a Good Weekend piece in like half
Speaker 2: a sentence he had to give.
Speaker 1: Up the grog because you know it was a little
Speaker 1: loose on the grock.
Speaker 2: No one knows what that means, What does that mean?
Speaker 2: What does it mean in the camera bubble of how
Speaker 2: loose you are? Who knows what that means well, Spotlight
Speaker 2: decided to get into this, and they did a very long,
Speaker 2: meandering journey via his health as a reason to why
Speaker 2: he gave up the booze. But then we get to
Speaker 2: a question from Mark Riley, which I think is about
Speaker 2: trying to go back to the word loose and work
Speaker 2: out what that actually meant.
Speaker 8: All the tape, that decision means you're leaving the booze
Speaker 8: behind him? Are you're leaving other things behind? With any
Speaker 8: regrets about that time?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 9: No, no, I mean you learn from I wasn't healthy enough.
Speaker 9: You learn from that. You can always be healthier, you
Speaker 9: can always strike a more effective balance.
Speaker 3: And I feel like I am now.
Speaker 2: Can we play it again? Look, I'm serious. I have
Speaker 2: no idea what loose meant. I have no idea, all right,
Speaker 2: But you can see that sort of the cogs are
Speaker 2: going through his head where he says, what are you
Speaker 2: talking about?
Speaker 1: But then he clearly doesn't say what are you talking about?
Speaker 2: Because then Mark Riley, as the reporter, would have an
Speaker 2: opportunity to tell us what he was talking about again
Speaker 2: one more time.
Speaker 8: That decision is you're leaving the booze behind him? Are
Speaker 8: you leaving other things? Behind with any regrets about that time.
Speaker 9: Oh no, no, I mean you learn from I wasn't
Speaker 9: healthy enough. You learn from that you can always be healthier,
Speaker 9: You can always strike a more effective balance.
Speaker 3: And I feel like I am now.
Speaker 2: Feels like there's something in that pregnant pause right? Or
Speaker 2: am I just seeing something that's not there?
Speaker 1: Whatever? Loose meant they're pregnant pause? At least might Riley
Speaker 1: try it and you could see the treasurer went no
Speaker 1: around that.
Speaker 2: Queensland just a couple of days ago until first of
Speaker 2: the People's Forum tomorrow here on Sky News.
Speaker 1: Then, of course we will be in Queensland for our
Speaker 1: pub test.
Speaker 2: Peter Dutton will be there to take some questions from
Speaker 2: our audience at a pub in Brizzy. Will also have
Speaker 2: a chat about the Queensland election and with a couple
Speaker 2: of days to go, David Cruci Foley this is what
Speaker 2: he was doing today on the trail. They will then
Speaker 2: be retested in years one, three and five at school.
Speaker 1: We are going to follow that.
Speaker 2: Child through the journey of education and give them every
Speaker 2: chance they can to turn up at school and be
Speaker 2: their best.
Speaker 1: Now he's talking about childcare changes.
Speaker 2: Now, I always felt that inevitably things get a little
Speaker 2: tighter towards an election. Now we know recent poles had
Speaker 2: shown that the l ANDP was just flying away, a
Speaker 2: Labor Party was sinking like a stone will surprise, surprise,
Speaker 2: not flying as high and not sinking as low. However,
Speaker 2: the headline that was produced was that Stephen Miles catches
Speaker 2: David Chrusop fully as the preferred premier. But if you
Speaker 2: actually go and have a look inside this document, the
Speaker 2: only people who actually consider him to be the preferred
Speaker 2: premiere of Queen's out of the people who live in
Speaker 2: the inner metropolitan area. Now this is interesting because yes,
Speaker 2: there are an awful lot of seats in the southeast,
Speaker 2: but there isn't just the inner metropolitan area. There is
Speaker 2: the outer metropolitan areas. Then of course there's the GC
Speaker 2: or the Sunny Coast. Then there's the regional areas, then
Speaker 2: there's the rural areas. Lots of ways to slice information
Speaker 2: out of Ququeensland. So yes, he got close, but that's
Speaker 2: because all of sort of the super inner city lefties,
Speaker 2: well they would like anyone but a liberal. In terms
Speaker 2: of the primary vote, yes, things are ever so slightly back,
Speaker 2: but still you can see what the massive change is
Speaker 2: still the best part of seven to eight points since
Speaker 2: the election last time.
Speaker 1: For the LNP labor back a little bit.
Speaker 10: Now.
Speaker 2: This is important because they've got to win twelve seats
Speaker 2: to win now, I think, and I don't know the
Speaker 2: exact numbers here, but I think that really the most
Speaker 2: confident they're feeling about right now is about fifteen rather
Speaker 2: than twelve.
Speaker 1: They'd love to hope to go even higher than that.
Speaker 2: And as we've seen in previous elections, you can reduce
Speaker 2: a government to enough people to sit in a tarrago.
Speaker 2: That's of course how Anisaja Palache ended up as the
Speaker 2: so called accidental premiere, re elected a couple of times
Speaker 2: as two party preferred. Again you can see basically the
Speaker 2: exact opposite of where it was at the last election,
Speaker 2: and that produced a majority result. When it comes to Queensland,
Speaker 2: all wait watching Sea where there Tomorrow night for the
Speaker 2: People's Forum, Wednesday night for the pub test and Saturday
Speaker 2: night myself and Laura Jays will be side by say
Speaker 2: it is always on an election night going through the
Speaker 2: results at the top of the hour, along with Peter
Speaker 2: Quedline and all of the team that will be back
Speaker 2: in the studio lots to get to now the Act. Surprise, surprise,
Speaker 2: the Labor Party won an election there. This is what
Speaker 2: the twenty sixth year in a row that the Labor
Speaker 2: Party will continue to well rule the city of public
Speaker 2: servants that was the only place in the Strada devoted. Yes,
Speaker 2: it really is an island within an and it's a
Speaker 2: bubble within a bubble whatever. Okay, it was a slightly
Speaker 2: better result for the Act lives, but the reality is
Speaker 2: it's a left leading city and we all know why.
Speaker 2: But I just wanted to give a non shout out
Speaker 2: of the day. I don't know whatever laws is used
Speaker 2: to say shout out of the day or the ya
Speaker 2: for the day, whatever the opposite is Kate Carnell, former
Speaker 2: Liberal Party Chief Minister. She says the acteam May will
Speaker 2: not bother with democracy, will not bother with democracy.
Speaker 1: Well that would garbage. Now, Look would.
Speaker 2: Those of us who would like a different approach in
Speaker 2: the Act, like a different government. Is there a significant
Speaker 2: number of people who keep voting for the opposition who
Speaker 2: seemingly because of how many lefties there are, and the
Speaker 2: ACT don't get a chance to ever be the government. Sure,
Speaker 2: but why even vote if you can't win. There are
Speaker 2: plenty of minor parties, there are plenty of opposition parties,
Speaker 2: There are plenty of safe seats that are to the
Speaker 2: left or to the right. But anyway, she was making
Speaker 2: that point today. She says, I think the great dilemma
Speaker 2: is why bother with democracy if you're not going to
Speaker 2: change governments. The whole point of electing governments is that
Speaker 2: you can change him from.
Speaker 1: Time to time. What No, the democracy is the people
Speaker 1: get what they want.
Speaker 2: And clearly the lefties of that part of Australia definitely
Speaker 2: keep wanting one government, the same bloody government, over and
Speaker 2: over and over and over again. Now I want to
Speaker 2: go to America because that will be a discussion we
Speaker 2: will have later in the program with none other than
Speaker 2: analyst Nielsen. I also buried the lead today because I
Speaker 2: was so focused on Lydia Thope making it all about
Speaker 2: her again. No, so look's no lefties tonight. That'll be fun. Now,
Speaker 2: Hawgard was Donald Trump at Mackers. Now this was in Pennsylvania.
Speaker 2: The reason he was doing this was because Kamala Harris
Speaker 2: has long said, oh yeah, I used to work with McDonald's.
Speaker 2: There's no proof that she ever did so, he decided
Speaker 2: to work for whatever, fifteen minutes doing a stunt at
Speaker 2: McDonald's so he could say I've worked there longer than
Speaker 2: she has.
Speaker 1: That's why this happened.
Speaker 2: But does that not look like a guy who's really confident,
Speaker 2: really happy, really calm. He's seeing all the data saying,
Speaker 2: you know what, I'm a pretty good shot. And now,
Speaker 2: remember for this guy, unlike all that everyone we're all
Speaker 2: invested in, does he win?
Speaker 1: Doesn't he win?
Speaker 2: Remember this, he either wins the presidency or he will
Speaker 2: inevitably go through a whole series of legal processes and
Speaker 2: mean he goes to jail in the next two years.
Speaker 2: Does that look like a bloke who is playing those
Speaker 2: bigger hands. He ain't sweating it at all. Think about
Speaker 2: how you may go if you're betting one hundred dollars.
Speaker 2: He is literally betting the presidency or jail. Didn't seem
Speaker 2: happier than he actually is. Right now, here's some of
Speaker 2: the reaction. And yes they were Trump supporters, lefties. No
Speaker 2: one thinks that a random member of the public would
Speaker 2: be able to roll up to an open window to
Speaker 2: a man who's been shot at twice.
Speaker 1: Hey, I'm having a lot of fun here.
Speaker 5: Everybody.
Speaker 4: Thank you, mister president.
Speaker 1: You men advised, but had many people they got you.
Speaker 3: Hello everybody. And I know this is gomplements of Trump.
Speaker 1: Okay, yes, I love it. Of course it's a stunt.
Speaker 2: But the stunt was to prove that he had worked
Speaker 2: longer Abdols than she had, because it's part of an
Speaker 2: overall message, which is she's a fake.
Speaker 1: You know that, and I know that that.
Speaker 2: She sort of pretended that an upper middle class experience
Speaker 2: was a middle class experience, and middle is near low,
Speaker 2: so let's pretend that it was.
Speaker 1: A low or working class. Of course, as for the media,
Speaker 1: they hated this.
Speaker 2: Why because Trump won the day and when there's only
Speaker 2: what fifteen of them left? If he wins the day,
Speaker 2: while he's winning the poles, he's doing well, what.
Speaker 5: Is the logic behind this going to a McDonald's.
Speaker 7: I mean, we know the guy likes Big Max and
Speaker 7: fleur Fish, and he's used the word love to describe
Speaker 7: the way he feels about the food there before.
Speaker 3: But what's this about.
Speaker 7: There's no logic to it.
Speaker 1: It's a stunt. He has not put forth in economic agenda.
Speaker 1: Now they know why he's there.
Speaker 2: They just don't want to say it because it might
Speaker 2: open up the door on something that Harris is not
Speaker 2: Obama in a pants suit. Please, but the poles, because
Speaker 2: I want to explain something about this right all weekend.
Speaker 1: Who's going to win? Is he going to win? How
Speaker 1: BIG's he going to win? By it?
Speaker 2: Look, I am going before the data you've got, Okay,
Speaker 2: I spend more hours and I look at multiple versions
Speaker 2: of it, but it's.
Speaker 1: Basically the poles.
Speaker 2: Okay, and there are dozens of poles, but basically the
Speaker 2: seven states that matter. What you're able to do is
Speaker 2: put them all together, have a look at the average,
Speaker 2: and the average in all those swing states. Trump winning
Speaker 2: in all of those swing states. Now, if he wins
Speaker 2: in all of those swing states, he absolutely blows Kamala
Speaker 2: Harris away.
Speaker 1: No question.
Speaker 2: This thing is over a couple of hours into the counting.
Speaker 2: But that's not the way it actually is going to work.
Speaker 2: A little here, a little there, and it will most
Speaker 2: likely be a lot tighter than it seems.
Speaker 1: So how do they work out the averages? Well, obviously
Speaker 1: they have a look at all of the poles.
Speaker 2: Now, whether they cut it off at ten poles or
Speaker 2: twenty poles or thirty poles. I don't know, but here
Speaker 2: are the most recent poles in Pennsylvania. They show Trump winning,
Speaker 2: Trump winning, Trump winning, Harris winning, Trump winning, Trump winning,
Speaker 2: Trump winning, Harris Harris Trump.
Speaker 1: So you see how you look at that picture and you.
Speaker 2: Go okay, as an average kind of head in Trump's way.
Speaker 2: What about up in Wisconsin again, one of the blue
Speaker 2: wall states that if Trump wins these, he's going to
Speaker 2: win the presidency. Well, again, most recent pole says Harris
Speaker 2: is winning, but the average goes to Trump because there's
Speaker 2: two Trump wins, there's three ties, there's another Trump win,
Speaker 2: and there's another Harris win. You get my point. And
Speaker 2: finally again in North Carolina. Now this is the place
Speaker 2: that Trump won last time. He expects to win this time.
Speaker 2: But Harris is leading in the most recent poll, a
Speaker 2: tie before that, and before that it's three percent for Harris.
Speaker 2: But then the poll before that it's five percent for Trump.
Speaker 2: So good luck working all this out.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: Steve Cornaki is super lefty. He's sort of the data
Speaker 2: guy on MSNBC. It's his job to go and push
Speaker 2: the big screen and explain what's happening.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: Obviously he is trying to find a way to tell
Speaker 2: people that polling averages which are looking good for Trump
Speaker 2: right now may will be a mirage and miraculously it's
Speaker 2: all going to be good for Harris. But why I
Speaker 2: can't tell you that Donald Trump to spunt the fact
Speaker 2: that he's leading with the bookies and all of the
Speaker 2: statistical models and the poles is dead definitely going to win.
Speaker 1: It's because poles can be wrong.
Speaker 2: They've been wrong in sixteen and twenty where they undercounted
Speaker 2: Trump's support and overcounted the Democrats. But let's just imagine
Speaker 2: for whatever reason, they're overcounting Trump people and undercounting Harris people.
Speaker 1: He'll explain why.
Speaker 11: Here's why that's important. These are the poll averages right
Speaker 11: now in all the battleground states. If those poles are
Speaker 11: off the same way they were in twenty sixteen, in
Speaker 11: twenty twenty, Donald Trump is in great sheep. But these
Speaker 11: poll errors don't always happen in the same direction. If
Speaker 11: they're off by the same amount, but this time underestimating Democrats,
Speaker 11: this is what those states would look like.
Speaker 2: So anyone who's saying, absolutely, hand on heart, I know
Speaker 2: what's going to happen, that's great.
Speaker 1: They're going with their gut. Okay, if you.
Speaker 2: Are following the data to make sure that you can
Speaker 2: match it up with how your guts feeling. That's why
Speaker 2: I can tell you that Trump is leading, but not
Speaker 2: that he is going to win. The form gives us
Speaker 2: an indication of what is going to happen in the future.
Speaker 2: Then yes, those polling areas are going to most likely
Speaker 2: go his way, meaning his wing gets bigger. But but
Speaker 2: but when two things are an option, two things could
Speaker 2: happen quick break back with.
Speaker 1: More no sooks, no left kings.
Speaker 2: I think Matt Canavan's coming into the man Cave and
Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to this. Analyst Nielsen from the States
Speaker 2: as well, thank you very much for watching. Christian McSweeney
Speaker 2: joining us right now, I believe from Brisbane. I think
Speaker 2: she's said there she is, Oh sorry, Melbourne all right,
Speaker 2: just just just betterfor just as music.
Speaker 1: It would be better in Bristo.
Speaker 2: But no other than Matt Canavan here in the man Cave.
Speaker 2: I'd let him take over any time he wants. And
Speaker 2: what about this, He could have met the king today,
Speaker 2: but no family comes. First world done, mate, So I
Speaker 2: know I'm giving her what I want with the Lydia
Speaker 2: Thorpe thing. But it's just I wanted to talk about
Speaker 2: it from that UK perspective, right, So their breakfast news was,
Speaker 2: you know, as if this one giant moment. Instead we
Speaker 2: know that this one off person's se what they always say,
Speaker 2: forty five seconds, no one reacts, there's not thousands of
Speaker 2: people outside.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 12: Look, it's frustrating obviously that our so called I suppose
Speaker 12: international reputation is tarnished from this. But look, the silver
Speaker 12: lining is that your average Australian watching that and viewing
Speaker 12: that has not increased their love or warmth for the
Speaker 12: Republican movement. I mean, she's a shocking advocate for that
Speaker 12: side of thing, and it basically now seems to be
Speaker 12: a movement that's reduced down to people who wear red bandannas.
Speaker 12: You'd like to interrupt her official events, form a soccer player,
Speaker 12: that's about it. Now you fit them in a car.
Speaker 12: So look, I look, these people are no good advocates
Speaker 12: for themselves. I don't like giving her air time, but
Speaker 12: it's a bad time. I suppose as a member of
Speaker 12: the Senate, now what action should be taken. It's about
Speaker 12: time there's some preemptive suspensions for people like her. I mean,
Speaker 12: why is she there? It's not an official we can't
Speaker 12: kick her out of the Senate, but she's been elected.
Speaker 12: But why is she at these events? She's have a
Speaker 12: proven record of interrupting them, of not abiding by the rules,
Speaker 12: So wan to just ban it from those sort of things.
Speaker 2: But also if it's pretty obvious, I mean literally, we
Speaker 2: know that there was two fingers behind her back when
Speaker 2: she gave the oath. Secondly, we know that this is
Speaker 2: her practical statement, including you know, screw the system.
Speaker 1: I completely agree, but we all know it'll be hair
Speaker 1: on fire. But that doesn't mean you don't try it. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: I don't push, but.
Speaker 12: I probably would have gone today if my mum could
Speaker 12: have been a gone she wanted to go. My mom
Speaker 12: could have gone. If Lydia was kicked out, mom could
Speaker 12: have gone.
Speaker 2: And I reckon your mums, Lydia, I know who my
Speaker 2: money's on here. All right, Christy, let's talk about the
Speaker 2: protests that have been happening in and around some of
Speaker 2: the ridiculous stuff right around the hamas leader. And there's
Speaker 2: a little trick that's being played, and let's talk about
Speaker 2: this here, which is that there are groups who would
Speaker 2: not be able to get away with saying certain things
Speaker 2: in certain places, but because they do it on the
Speaker 2: steps of religious places, it is something that looks like
Speaker 2: religious speech, not political speech. And I know we could
Speaker 2: spend two hours talking about at times the intersection between
Speaker 2: the two, but we know some of the garbage that
Speaker 2: has been said on the steps.
Speaker 1: I think this one is in La Kember. You've heard greater.
Speaker 2: Details from all of the other hosts, but I just
Speaker 2: wanted to get Christie's thoughts. Here we go, he warrious
Speaker 2: step amongst these men, one with these people in defense
Speaker 2: of his lip.
Speaker 1: Oh God, I've heard that.
Speaker 2: Enough, Okay, enough, You've just got a taste of the
Speaker 2: obvious here, Christy.
Speaker 1: How does Australia react here?
Speaker 2: Because here's the reality, right, there are people who come
Speaker 2: in and out of the country who give the speeches,
Speaker 2: and there are people that are born here, right, and
Speaker 2: there's an awful lot of people who are born here.
Speaker 1: Who are the ones taking up the microphone?
Speaker 10: Certainly there is, and we have said it repeatedly on
Speaker 10: this network that international foreign conflicts have no place in
Speaker 10: the amazing multicultural society that is successful Australia. However, should
Speaker 10: international foreign conflicts be imported. I think there's a place
Speaker 10: to classify them as hate speech.
Speaker 6: We have to look seriously at that.
Speaker 4: What do these laws mean?
Speaker 10: And I know that there are always nuances in these
Speaker 10: such things, but certainly I think, you know, when it
Speaker 10: impedes people's freedom to live in a harmonious, multicultural society
Speaker 10: under Australian laws and Australian values, which are multicultural values
Speaker 10: that we all share, I think we really have to.
Speaker 5: Look at that.
Speaker 2: But also, Matt other speakers that turn around, So in
Speaker 2: the future, is Islam the respont to reap on their
Speaker 2: own website read about us what their plan is? Right,
Speaker 2: and it ain't the country that we live in right now?
Speaker 2: How do we negotiate these moments?
Speaker 12: Well, I think what we need to do is take
Speaker 12: much more pride in our own country. I mean that's
Speaker 12: number one. Yeah, you could try and ban these groups
Speaker 12: those things, but you can't. You can't completely suppress an idea.
Speaker 12: And the best antidote too, this is to return to
Speaker 12: a world where we're not ashamed of promoting how great
Speaker 12: this country is. We teach that to our children, we
Speaker 12: teach that in all of our schools. Bring back you know,
Speaker 12: having a national anthem and the flag and all schools,
Speaker 12: and so you counter these people spreading hate and we
Speaker 12: win that battle. We win that battle ideas. That's how
Speaker 12: it's one.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure at the time, you know, maybe been
Speaker 2: on opposite sides of the euthanasia that go gentle or
Speaker 2: right to die, all of the different ways these things
Speaker 2: get spoken of. There's a story that I'm going to
Speaker 2: imagine today would be the type of thing that people
Speaker 2: worried about when this conversation was taking place. Now I
Speaker 2: stand by my support of it and the system being
Speaker 2: in place. I know a beautiful family that is that
Speaker 2: their family has gone through this process, right a family member.
Speaker 2: But I want to talk about a person called Cyril
Speaker 2: Profile today in the Australian newspaper suggesting that there is
Speaker 2: no life, there is no dignity. I'm very sick now
Speaker 2: and it won't last long. I've started the process. You
Speaker 2: have to be passed by two doctors. What he is
Speaker 2: talking about, apart from anything else, is the problems in
Speaker 2: and around age care and his ability to be okay
Speaker 2: at home, his ability to access a system. Now, obviously
Speaker 2: we have not got to the moment where we're going
Speaker 2: to be dialing down. And I want to frighten people
Speaker 2: watching us right now where we're going to be running
Speaker 2: down age care in order to run up euthanasia. But
Speaker 2: this is the type of stuff you were you would
Speaker 2: have pointed to as a consul.
Speaker 12: Look, I don't want to use it as a vehicle
Speaker 12: for that debate, because this is an incredibly sad personal
Speaker 12: situation for Cyril and his loved ones. But this this
Speaker 12: is more an age care story for me, right, I
Speaker 12: mean he's he's effectively saying, if I can take what
Speaker 12: he said in this article is true that he would
Speaker 12: want to be wanting to continue his life, but for
Speaker 12: not being able to get proper care. Yeah, that's an
Speaker 12: indictment on our age care system, not the laws of
Speaker 12: governing euthanasia. And look, you know this is a terrible
Speaker 12: individual case, but it is a reflection of the fact
Speaker 12: that waiting lists for age care places, these serious cases
Speaker 12: like Cyril's have more than doubled in the past fifteen months,
Speaker 12: and a big part of that is because the governor
Speaker 12: has put all this red tape and regulation in our
Speaker 12: age care sector, making a lot more costly and there
Speaker 12: for a lot fewer places available for people in high
Speaker 12: needs like Ceril, but also Christie.
Speaker 2: We all know that sort of even in business, right,
Speaker 2: one arm doesn't speak to the other. This department doesn't
Speaker 2: speak to that. Okay, cool, Yet there's a federal budget
Speaker 2: every year, there's public announcements about immigration, about population. We
Speaker 2: know every four years. This is thing called a census.
Speaker 2: It's not like we don't know when there's going to
Speaker 2: be greater demand. We have absolutely failed when people like
Speaker 2: Cyril are in the scenario that Cyril is in.
Speaker 10: Certainly, the Productivity Commission into Generational Report has been warning
Speaker 10: us for decades of the explosion of the aging population
Speaker 10: the needs of age care, and successive governments have failed
Speaker 10: to budget for that. But we must remember the Albanesi
Speaker 10: government during the election. Camp I went to the election
Speaker 10: promising a raft of things for age care which have
Speaker 10: now turned out to be in the never never one
Speaker 10: was the on site nurses twenty four hours in every facility.
Speaker 10: The other one was right down to a food deal
Speaker 10: with Maggie Beer. So they were very concerned to be
Speaker 10: explicit about what food they would team up with and
Speaker 10: what famous celebrity chef. But we've now said right from
Speaker 10: the beginning, when people are on a waiting list to
Speaker 10: get what's called an ACAT assessment, which is the Age
Speaker 10: Care Assessment team, and they come and assess you for
Speaker 10: what package you are eligible for the white list to
Speaker 10: even get your assessment, let alone to get a care
Speaker 10: package once you've been approved. Like this, poor gentleman, And
Speaker 10: congratulations to Rebecca Sharky for highlighting that it starts at
Speaker 10: the beginning. People cannot even get assessed. There are not
Speaker 10: enough staff in those age care assessment teams, particularly in
Speaker 10: regional It is a gigantic problem that the government has
Speaker 10: put their head in the sand. If you want to
Speaker 10: talk about AGEK work for force.
Speaker 1: Start with that.
Speaker 2: Christ You give me one word answer here. Who was
Speaker 2: the bigger winner in PR terms? Trump or McDonald's when
Speaker 2: Trump went to McDonald's Because everyone so you said McDonald's
Speaker 2: a lot in the past twenty four hours.
Speaker 5: I think McDonald's yes, breakthrough.
Speaker 12: Yeah so do I I've been craving a big back
Speaker 12: all day.
Speaker 3: My crap on the way back.
Speaker 1: Double at the moment was great.
Speaker 2: By the way, I was just thinking, if you had
Speaker 2: gone to the King today, it may would have been
Speaker 2: two senators. You would have been blowing up about the
Speaker 2: climate change stuff. She's blowing up about the That's right.
Speaker 12: I would have been interjecting on the Kings in your
Speaker 12: blandercy tight.
Speaker 1: Downstairs. What are you in for? All right?
Speaker 2: Thank you about all the best and all the best
Speaker 2: of the family as you make the way through year twelve,
Speaker 2: big exams. All right, thank you, mate, appreciate it. Right,
Speaker 2: quick break back with the more Alise Nielsen in the
Speaker 2: United States. Yeah, we'll talk about Trump macas polling, what
Speaker 2: she's feeling. And she is in a swing state and
Speaker 2: a swingy bit of a swing state tonight.
Speaker 1: So let's talk about swinging with analyse more than a set.
Speaker 2: Let us talk to the wonderful Annalyse Nielsen, who is
Speaker 2: yet again out on the road ahead of the American
Speaker 2: election a couple of weeks ago. And she is right
Speaker 2: in the heart of a very swingy bit of a
Speaker 2: very swingy state. I'm not going to pretend to pronounce Sheboygan?
Speaker 1: Is it? Where are you today?
Speaker 6: Sheboygan?
Speaker 1: Sheboygan?
Speaker 6: All right, I'm going to do my Wisconsin ACXI. I'll
Speaker 6: offend everyone, but yees call the Miami of Wisconsin. We're
Speaker 6: right on the lake.
Speaker 2: So give me so give me the idea about about Wisconsin,
Speaker 2: and this is a place that has that when Obama
Speaker 2: Trump Biden, it has bounced around a bit. What is
Speaker 2: the sense of who you've been meeting in and around
Speaker 2: the streets or the data that you've been trying to
Speaker 2: follow about that part of the blue wall.
Speaker 6: Look, they lost Wisconsin for Hillary Clinton because she didn't
Speaker 6: bother to come and she took it for granted. And
Speaker 6: no one's ever going to take Wisconsin for granted again.
Speaker 6: They're not taking it for granted this time. But we
Speaker 6: were here yesterday. We've only been here for a day,
Speaker 6: but we were out talking to voters. And it's the
Speaker 6: same thing we've been getting in the other swing states
Speaker 6: where people just aren't happy with the choices that they
Speaker 6: have this election. So when we're being told all this
Speaker 6: analysis around undecided voters, what I get the sense of
Speaker 6: when you actually talk to people face to face, because
Speaker 6: I know, going out and just doing a bunch of
Speaker 6: interviews in a row, it's not as scientific as a poll.
Speaker 6: But what you do get is that sense of what
Speaker 6: people are really thinking. You can read the body language,
Speaker 6: you can read the pauses people have made up their mind.
Speaker 6: They're not happy with it. And they're leaving it to
Speaker 6: the last minute because they really just don't like the
Speaker 6: idea of what they're doing. And so this is where
Speaker 6: I get the sense that things are heading and also
Speaker 6: that there has been We've seen a lot of people
Speaker 6: who should be traditionally very supportive of Kamla haha, it's
Speaker 6: not enthusiastic about it. So we met a young woman
Speaker 6: of color yesterday who is not going to vote at
Speaker 6: all because she hated Trump. She doesn't think Kamala Harris's
Speaker 6: genuine person, and so she was going to write herself in.
Speaker 6: But we hear that a lot, and the polls show
Speaker 6: how tight it is. I think that is absolutely going
Speaker 6: to be true. This is going to come down to
Speaker 6: the wire.
Speaker 2: I would also imagine that the phenomena that people need
Speaker 2: to understand, and anyone who lives in a marginal seat
Speaker 2: in Australia would know, Oh yeah, they turn up a lot.
Speaker 2: No no, no, every ad, every TV show, every radio station,
Speaker 2: and every time you go online. They must be up
Speaker 2: to the end of it just going please shut up,
Speaker 2: like there's no where you're not trying to win me over.
Speaker 2: And that has sort of its own effect, doesn't it.
Speaker 6: It does and often in a good way. People in
Speaker 6: swing states, we find are often very well across the
Speaker 6: policies because they know that they have an important vote.
Speaker 6: They know that they're going to be influential in this election,
Speaker 6: so they do take it seriously. And I think especially
Speaker 6: when we talk about Americans having non compulsory voting, there's
Speaker 6: often this assumption that, oh, they don't take it seriously,
Speaker 6: because sometimes they set it out. Most often they will
Speaker 6: do that in an intellectual way. They'll say, I don't
Speaker 6: like the options. I'm therefore exercising my right to not
Speaker 6: pick one because I have looked at these options and
Speaker 6: I do not like them. Of course, there is a
Speaker 6: segment of the population that just says, like ad none
Speaker 6: into politics, don't care. But in swing states, you don't
Speaker 6: really get the chance to do that. You are so
Speaker 6: you have people knocking on your doors, every billboard, You're right,
Speaker 6: every ad break.
Speaker 12: It is ad nauseum.
Speaker 6: And it's one of the reasons they have good local
Speaker 6: news markets is because these local news outlets get all
Speaker 6: this money for campaign funding. So it's a kind of
Speaker 6: cyclical thing for you.
Speaker 2: I was going to say, they've got the best and
Speaker 2: the newest of gear because they make hundreds of millions
Speaker 2: of dollars out of all the ads that they just
Speaker 2: run every two and four years. All right, last one here,
Speaker 2: and again, I'm not going to get into the game
Speaker 2: of who's winning and who's up and who you Again,
Speaker 2: I explained why anyone following data has no idea which
Speaker 2: way it's actually pointing right now. But I did want
Speaker 2: to ask you about this about which is closing arguments.
Speaker 2: Joy is gone, vibes is gone, It's back to you know,
Speaker 2: the female version of dark Brandon.
Speaker 1: He's the worst of all time.
Speaker 2: And Trump, who literally is facing presidency or jail, seems
Speaker 2: to have a wider smile than Whyaquin Phoenix did in
Speaker 2: either of the Joker movies.
Speaker 6: And I heard you what you were saying before about
Speaker 6: people criticizing Trump for having a stunt at McDonald's. Of
Speaker 6: course it was a stunt. You think that they'd send
Speaker 6: a gayan who's had two assassination attempts to odd normal
Speaker 6: McDonald's to work the drive? What are we talking about?
Speaker 6: But no, I think there is just kind of this
Speaker 6: trauma from twenty sixteen, and I think there is a
Speaker 6: sense of people thinking, geez, there's no way Trump's got this.
Speaker 6: But I'm going to get too excited now because what
Speaker 6: if we're wrong, because that was really traumatic last time.
Speaker 6: But there is just a total sense that Kamala Harris
Speaker 6: is going on the attack. This is no more just
Speaker 6: the campaign of joy, and that Donald Trump is looking
Speaker 6: very relaxed and kind of tired a little board of
Speaker 6: the campaign in some events. I mean when he had
Speaker 6: that town hall and listened to music for half an hour,
Speaker 6: I think that was just kind of like, I've been
Speaker 6: doing this forever. I've got this, and he has been
Speaker 6: doing it so much longer than Kamala Harris. She only
Speaker 6: came in a couple of months ago to this campaign.
Speaker 6: So I think that's all playing into just the kind
Speaker 6: of optics of the last few weeks.
Speaker 2: Well, as I just said, right like, if you're a
Speaker 2: betting person, one person the future is presidency or prison,
Speaker 2: they look, you know, they.
Speaker 1: Look more no drama Obama than Obama.
Speaker 2: Remember Obama's running around telling black men, you know, you
Speaker 2: must vote all the rest and a least let's do
Speaker 2: it longer next week than obviously in person when we
Speaker 2: are in the United States, all the best Mane and
Speaker 2: Liss Nielsen there.
Speaker 1: In the United States. Cheese rock and roll.
Speaker 2: All right, We will see you again tomorrow night for
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