WEBVTT - Paul Murray Live | 21 October

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<v Speaker 1>From the skying setter. This is Paul Murray live. Thank you, Charry,

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<v Speaker 1>what going on Monday night? Lots to get to Thank

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<v Speaker 1>you to everyone, and come and saw us in Tazzy

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<v Speaker 1>Loncest in his spectacular.

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<v Speaker 2>The weather much better there than in other parts of

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<v Speaker 2>the country today.

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<v Speaker 1>Go and see it with your own eyes. Hang out,

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<v Speaker 1>not just for a long weekend, do the whole week.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, let's get to I'm sorry, Lydia Thorpe, right, I

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<v Speaker 2>say sorry because this is what she wanted right.

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<v Speaker 1>Royals are in Canberra.

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<v Speaker 2>King's just finished his speech because she's an elected senator

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<v Speaker 2>with Labor Party preferences. By the way, of course, she's

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<v Speaker 2>in the room whether we like it or not, which

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<v Speaker 2>means there she is, front and setter, getting ready to

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<v Speaker 2>carry on like the pork job that she can be

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<v Speaker 2>she is. And you've heard all of this today. Oh okay,

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<v Speaker 2>please all right, yes, thank you, thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>The bit okay, enough enough. The bit that I wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to show you.

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<v Speaker 2>Though, was a little reassurance about how your fellow Australian

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<v Speaker 2>feels when she does this. I want you to pay

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<v Speaker 2>attention to the bit you probably didn't see on your

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<v Speaker 2>six PM news and geez, haven't I got it for

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<v Speaker 2>the six pm news at least one of the channels tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait till I show you their obvious spinning of the ball.

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<v Speaker 2>But if you actually have a listen to when she

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<v Speaker 2>was ranting and raving for forty five seconds, listen to

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<v Speaker 2>the reaction, it's silence.

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<v Speaker 1>Nothing happened.

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<v Speaker 2>No one is murmuring, no one is yelling back at her,

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<v Speaker 2>no one's saying shut up. Everyone was just collectively embarrassed

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<v Speaker 2>at the moment took place. Again, you didn't see this

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<v Speaker 2>when this story was being pumped up towards literally the

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<v Speaker 2>lead story tonight, meaning we give her the attention that

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<v Speaker 2>she wants, and yes, by talking about it now the

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<v Speaker 2>feedback loop. But you can't not say that one person

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<v Speaker 2>made it all about them today.

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<v Speaker 3>That is a gentleman that concludes today's formalities.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, she can do whatever she wants, right, and

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<v Speaker 2>the question about how the country became what it became

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<v Speaker 2>is a long and complicated one.

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<v Speaker 1>When we talk about it all forever, it will feel

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<v Speaker 1>but just fair.

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<v Speaker 2>Inker She's allowed to have it both ways right, the

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<v Speaker 2>way that she is going to earn one point to

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<v Speaker 2>median dollars over six years is for her to be

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<v Speaker 2>a member of the Australian Senate. The only way you

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<v Speaker 2>can be a member of the Australian Senate is if

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<v Speaker 2>you swear allegiance to the King as the ultimate head

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<v Speaker 2>of the system in which we live in.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, of course we all know that she turned that

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<v Speaker 1>into a stunt about herself.

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<v Speaker 2>But because she wanted the cash, and because she obviously

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<v Speaker 2>wanted the role in Australian politics, she gave the oath,

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<v Speaker 2>but very clearly.

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<v Speaker 1>Fingers behind her back.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, am I suggesting that she should be booted out

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<v Speaker 2>of the Parliament.

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<v Speaker 1>No, but what's the.

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<v Speaker 2>Point of getting people to give these oaths if they

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<v Speaker 2>clearly don't mean anything. And secondly, if it's if the

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<v Speaker 2>colony and if modern Australia doesn't that mean if the

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<v Speaker 2>Parliament doesn't that mean the very job that she has

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<v Speaker 2>is one by her own logic is irrelevant. Now, there

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<v Speaker 2>isn't a country in the world that does not have

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<v Speaker 2>some sort of complicated history. But for some reason, Australia

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<v Speaker 2>is in just this absolute inability position to be able

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<v Speaker 2>to understand that yes, it's past as it's passed, but

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<v Speaker 2>its future is unlimited and the future is guaranteed to

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<v Speaker 2>have the modernity that is only possible because of those events.

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<v Speaker 2>No matter how difficult they have been in the past.

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<v Speaker 2>Even if all the street names change, all the political

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<v Speaker 2>systems change, we will still be living in the modern

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<v Speaker 2>twenty first century Western country that people like Lydia Thorpe

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<v Speaker 2>seek to have all of the advantages of, while simultaneously

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<v Speaker 2>then just putting themselves on top of in terms of

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<v Speaker 2>the leadership structure. But the reason I mentioned all this

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<v Speaker 2>even more tonight to you is this stuff is making

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<v Speaker 2>news back in the UK. So despite the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>last night I showed you that very cute little girl,

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<v Speaker 2>little Gabriella, little four year old Kurtseying a beautiful example

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<v Speaker 2>not of an obedient Australia but just a polite Australia.

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<v Speaker 2>Instead the Sun newspaper screaming at people this morning in

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<v Speaker 2>the UK. The Mirror again screaming at people in the UK.

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<v Speaker 2>This is what they think is going on in Australia now.

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<v Speaker 2>When I was in the UK after her Majesty Queen

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<v Speaker 2>Elizabeth the iond passed away, I was asked more questions

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<v Speaker 2>about a republic there that I've ever had conversations in

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<v Speaker 2>this country. So in many ways what comes out of

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<v Speaker 2>these royal visits is going to be a bit of

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<v Speaker 2>a caricature. And if the caricature is that the locals

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<v Speaker 2>are restless, that there's such a significant portion of Australia

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<v Speaker 2>that a senator thought that it was to their political

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<v Speaker 2>advantage to scream at the King, then Australia must be

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<v Speaker 2>teetering in a different direction than, of course the reality

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<v Speaker 2>of where it is. Republicans, monarchists, people who voted yes,

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<v Speaker 2>people who voted no would be embarrassed by the behavior

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<v Speaker 2>of Lydia Thorpe. Now that does not mean that she

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<v Speaker 2>needs to sit quiet, never open her mouth, never be

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<v Speaker 2>able to say what she wants to say about what

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<v Speaker 2>she believes to be the original sin that has not

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<v Speaker 2>been dealt with by this country. But make no mistake

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<v Speaker 2>in the UK looking at where our mutual monarch is

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<v Speaker 2>both here while being reported back there. This was how

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<v Speaker 2>it was going down on Sky News in the UK

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<v Speaker 2>in the past two hours as they are moving right

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<v Speaker 2>into the middle of their prime time during the day.

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<v Speaker 4>That's Australia where King Charles royal tour has been derailed

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<v Speaker 4>by a senator who's used an event in Parliament has

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<v Speaker 4>to accuse the King of genocide before being escorted out

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<v Speaker 4>by security.

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<v Speaker 5>Alison, how bid the baby.

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<v Speaker 1>Now again?

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<v Speaker 2>Notice the way the news covers it. A royal tour

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<v Speaker 2>has been derailed. There was a forty five second moment

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<v Speaker 2>when silence was replaced with her yelling that was met

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<v Speaker 2>by silence, not applause, not doing nothing. There was not

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<v Speaker 2>hundreds of thousands of people who were rebelling against the

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<v Speaker 2>visit of King Charles and Queen Camilla. Instead, the picture

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<v Speaker 2>that will be told back to the UK tonight.

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<v Speaker 1>About us is the way Lydia thought behaved today.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, she's making the most of it because not

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<v Speaker 2>only does she get to do a myriad of interviews

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<v Speaker 2>in the next twenty four hours here in Australia, she

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<v Speaker 2>also was interviewed by the very same people who introduced

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<v Speaker 2>the story the way they did.

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<v Speaker 4>Satasa Thorpe is with us now. Hello to santasor thank

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<v Speaker 4>you for taking the time to join us here on

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<v Speaker 4>Scyne News Breakfast. Why did you do it?

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<v Speaker 6>I did it for truth telling, global truth telling about

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<v Speaker 6>the royals who cause so much devastation.

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<v Speaker 2>Her decision to scream at King Charles about what happened

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<v Speaker 2>in Queen Victoria and other royal periods of time. That's

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<v Speaker 2>the story, because yes it's more interesting than the other story.

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<v Speaker 2>But just as I told you yesterday, Australia a good

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<v Speaker 2>day yesterday, Why because people turned out and had a

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<v Speaker 2>nice time. Some thing happened again today and again I'm

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<v Speaker 2>sorry to all of the people who actually did turn

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<v Speaker 2>up today and enjoyed the moment.

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<v Speaker 1>Again. They are not.

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<v Speaker 2>Boot licking monarchists who think that the House of Windsor

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<v Speaker 2>is better than any of us. No, they just respect

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<v Speaker 2>the tradition. They notice that it's a global figure. They've

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<v Speaker 2>seen this person in the heart of our political and

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<v Speaker 2>ceremonial life, or they've seen it in the tabloids. They

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<v Speaker 2>recognize their service. And people turned up today, thousands of them. No,

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<v Speaker 2>it wasn't six million. And if you think that that means,

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<v Speaker 2>oh Australia's on the verge of being a republic. Please

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<v Speaker 2>It's a Monday, weren't a public holiday, Okay, lots of

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<v Speaker 2>people turned up. That beautiful girl who curtsied yesterday. It

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<v Speaker 2>was a nice, cute, lovely, warm moment. And then they

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<v Speaker 2>go in a couple of days, no one the better,

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<v Speaker 2>no one the worse. But the representation of what happened

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<v Speaker 2>today because one person decided to have a one person

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<v Speaker 2>test that not a single person applauded inside the room

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<v Speaker 2>is a perfect example about sometimes how the media takes

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<v Speaker 2>a moment and then decides.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the only thing that matters.

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<v Speaker 2>Forget the thousands of other people, forget the actual majority

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<v Speaker 2>of the day on and oh no, no, this forty

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<v Speaker 2>five seconds because it's colorful, and then they're throwing all

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<v Speaker 2>the adjectives and that's all anyone remembers.

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<v Speaker 1>And the next time you get to go to.

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<v Speaker 2>The UK, somebody says, oh, so, how many people feel

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<v Speaker 2>like that lady did? If you actually told them, well,

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<v Speaker 2>not enough to get her reelected, they might be slightly shocked.

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<v Speaker 2>But that is the reality of where we sit right now.

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<v Speaker 2>So for those of you who actually did have a

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<v Speaker 2>nice day to day or enjoyed watching it on the

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<v Speaker 2>television here, listening to the radio, all the rest of it, well,

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<v Speaker 2>here are some of the people who had a good

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<v Speaker 2>time today and did Australia proud again, not because they

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<v Speaker 2>were bootlicking, just because they were enjoying a nice moment

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<v Speaker 2>in the sun of Australia.

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<v Speaker 1>It was just remarkable, just once in a lifetime experience.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, one o the little Now.

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<v Speaker 2>As you know, it's not quite a mystery that the

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<v Speaker 2>program that has the bloke's name on it is an

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<v Speaker 2>opinion show.

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<v Speaker 1>It has been for fifty years next year.

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<v Speaker 2>All Right, I told you everything, and you've seen everything

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<v Speaker 2>that's happened personally and professionally, and we've ridden the roller

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<v Speaker 2>coaster of politics and real life. Okay, but there is

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<v Speaker 2>a little price to pay when you decide to be

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<v Speaker 2>an opinion person, all right. Upside is that people like yourself,

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<v Speaker 2>we develop a bond.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a loyalty.

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<v Speaker 2>And every time I hit harder do it for you,

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<v Speaker 2>and every time you cheer on, I hear it back

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<v Speaker 2>and we get stronger by the day.

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<v Speaker 1>And as I've told you before, yep, plenty of times.

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<v Speaker 2>And I've lost friends because of what I do for

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<v Speaker 2>a job, what I say here on the television. We

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<v Speaker 2>also have scenarios where that rest of the media that

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<v Speaker 2>want to pretend we don't exist, or they pretend that

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<v Speaker 2>we have no skill as broadcasters or television makers all

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<v Speaker 2>the rest of it. Right, But the people who are

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<v Speaker 2>of course celebrated are those that are the straight news journalists,

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<v Speaker 2>no opinion whatsoever in the way they do their reporting.

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<v Speaker 2>Perfect example, Channel nine News not an opinion piece, but

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<v Speaker 2>the news.

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<v Speaker 1>As straight as the straight mat is supposed to be.

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<v Speaker 2>Jeez, I wonder if the reporter is a Republican or not.

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<v Speaker 1>This was six PM tonight.

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<v Speaker 7>Next month marks twenty five years since Australia had the

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<v Speaker 7>chance to walk away from the monarchy, but we didn't.

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<v Speaker 7>Now a next vote seems generations away. As the anthem proclaims,

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<v Speaker 7>this king long to reign over us.

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<v Speaker 1>It means Australian kids.

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<v Speaker 7>Won't get the chance to be head of state. I

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<v Speaker 7>love your glasses, but they can at least look the part.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, it's not quite as obvious as my opinion. You

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<v Speaker 1>see the little swing in there.

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<v Speaker 2>We had a chance to walk away, but we didn't. No,

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<v Speaker 2>just like twelve months ago, we had an opportunity to

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<v Speaker 2>change the constitution. Australians made the decision and said no,

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<v Speaker 2>we don't believe the system needs to change.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what happened in nineteen ninety nine.

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<v Speaker 2>Every major company, all news organizations, all the cool kids

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<v Speaker 2>were screaming for the rooftops, for the vote yes, but

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<v Speaker 2>guess what, it didn't work, the same as it didn't in.

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<v Speaker 1>Twenty twenty three.

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<v Speaker 2>The idea that, but for generations, we will not discuss

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<v Speaker 2>the matter.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll discuss it when.

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<v Speaker 2>There is a genuine ground swell of support or a

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<v Speaker 2>need for it to happen, will debate it at the time.

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<v Speaker 2>But the idea that will never vote ever again, and

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<v Speaker 2>therefore these kids will never get the chance to grow

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<v Speaker 2>up to be head of state. Come on, how many

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<v Speaker 2>kids get to grow up and be the governor general?

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<v Speaker 1>Please let alone that.

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<v Speaker 2>But you get my point right, Just watch the little

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<v Speaker 2>spins that they put in it. Because all these people

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<v Speaker 2>who consider themselves to be better than what we do

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<v Speaker 2>here each and every night, consider themselves to be more professional,

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<v Speaker 2>or higher class or better operators, well, guess what, they

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<v Speaker 2>also show their opinion, but they also get to hand

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<v Speaker 2>out little awards for their objectivity to each other. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>the only person who may well have been just as

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<v Speaker 2>excited as King Charles to b in Camber today was

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<v Speaker 2>the Prime Minister. Why because he wasn't having to talk

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<v Speaker 2>about the domestic issues, which we all know are a.

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<v Speaker 1>World of trouble.

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<v Speaker 2>Peter Dutton, by the way, excellent speech that he delivered

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<v Speaker 2>today when he was talking about all the people that

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<v Speaker 2>were putting on their finest and clipping their hair and

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<v Speaker 2>standing up tall, and that was just the Republicans because

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<v Speaker 2>they all just loved the idea of the photo op.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought all that was very clever.

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<v Speaker 2>Real news, another poll, terrible news for Anthony Abernici, this

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<v Speaker 2>one via the Financial Review, which I'm sure wasn't going

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<v Speaker 2>to dominate the political world today. But now that the

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<v Speaker 2>moment has passed in terms of the events of the Royals,

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<v Speaker 2>they're back at the Opera House tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 1>This is worth having a look at. Have a look

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<v Speaker 1>at this graph.

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<v Speaker 2>It'll show you the preferred prime minister rankings since January

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<v Speaker 2>of last year and today. Pretty obvious one's going up,

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<v Speaker 2>one's coming down. They're basically now sitting at the same mark.

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<v Speaker 2>The latest Australian Financial Review fresh Water Strategy poll shows

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<v Speaker 2>forty four percent of respondents prefer mister Abernesi as Prime Minister,

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<v Speaker 2>compared to forty three percent for mister Dutton, meaning the

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<v Speaker 2>foes are statistically tired after six months in office. In

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<v Speaker 2>December twenty two, mister Aberzi led Dutton fifty five to

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<v Speaker 2>twenty nine, it is now forty four to forty three.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah. And for those who believe.

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<v Speaker 2>That the Prime Minister is more loved by Australians, not

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<v Speaker 2>just preferred, not quite. As we've told you, the person

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<v Speaker 2>who has the lower favorable number is Anthony Abernesi. The

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<v Speaker 2>person with the higher unfavorable number is Anthony Abernesi. But

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<v Speaker 2>of course today the shocking break glass in case of

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<v Speaker 2>emergency news was that the Labour Party's going to go

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<v Speaker 2>after Peter Dutton know the next election.

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<v Speaker 1>Mate, they haven't stopped. They haven't stopped.

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<v Speaker 2>They're still campaigning against Scott Morrison and he's long gone. Meantime,

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<v Speaker 2>have a look again at the primary vote over time.

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<v Speaker 2>Now again you can get lost in what this pole

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<v Speaker 2>says versus that pole. You can see the trend in

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<v Speaker 2>ain't the friend of the Prime Minister going from the

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<v Speaker 2>low forties now to the mid thirties. The Liberal Party

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<v Speaker 2>going again from the just in and around forties to

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<v Speaker 2>now mid forties. If they stay at mid forties, well,

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<v Speaker 2>normal election, they would win the election. But perhaps the

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<v Speaker 2>most interesting thing in the polls that shows just how

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<v Speaker 2>big a hole currently the government is in. I want

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<v Speaker 2>you to see an image of all of the different issues,

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<v Speaker 2>and then I'll get into who is preferred and who

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<v Speaker 2>is not on those issues. You can easily see that

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<v Speaker 2>on these particular issues, cost of living, seventy two percent

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<v Speaker 2>of people say that's the number one issue, housing forty

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<v Speaker 2>four percent, managing the economy twenty eight percent, health and

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<v Speaker 2>social care, followed by crime, environment, asylum seekers. Now this

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<v Speaker 2>is the graphic that I was trying to get to

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<v Speaker 2>getting ahead of myself, but my excellent production team said no, no,

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<v Speaker 2>do the first bit first, Paul, because that would make

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<v Speaker 2>more sense.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you. I appreciate the advice.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, as you can see here, best issue for the

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<v Speaker 2>government welfare, worst issue crime and social order.

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<v Speaker 1>Best issue for.

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<v Speaker 2>The LNP is things like national security managing the economy.

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<v Speaker 2>The worse for them are things like welfare and benefits.

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<v Speaker 2>But as I just told you, the number one issue

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<v Speaker 2>in the country is cost of living, the number two

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<v Speaker 2>issue is housed and the number three is managing the economy.

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<v Speaker 2>Well guess who's winning on all three of those issues.

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<v Speaker 2>On cost of living, thirty nine percent back in the Coalition,

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<v Speaker 2>compared to just a quarter of voters for the ALP.

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<v Speaker 2>When it comes to housing, it's thirty five percent for

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<v Speaker 2>the Coalition compared to twenty seven percent for the Labor Party.

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<v Speaker 2>When it comes to managing the economy forty three percent

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<v Speaker 2>twenty seven. Things slightly get better for the Labour Party

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<v Speaker 2>on health and social care, but then let's go back

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<v Speaker 2>to crime and social order forty two percent back the

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<v Speaker 2>opposition as opposed to the Labor Party just twenty three percent.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh and all those people who think that nuclear is

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<v Speaker 2>such a terrible, awful idea will guess what people like

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<v Speaker 2>the zero emission side of it. Why because the Coalition

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<v Speaker 2>are now what less than five or about five points

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<v Speaker 2>below the Labor Party when it comes to environment and

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<v Speaker 2>climate change.

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<v Speaker 1>Remember when all of that was the only thing that

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<v Speaker 1>ever madded.

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<v Speaker 2>And then you know, reality kicked in when it came

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<v Speaker 2>to economics, and we are where we are. By the way,

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<v Speaker 2>another blowout immigration and asylum seeker's forty three percent. The

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<v Speaker 2>voters are going very hard and for obvious reasons there

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<v Speaker 2>with the opposition, not with the government. But then there's

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<v Speaker 2>something we should take notice of. Late on a Sunday night,

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<v Speaker 2>you may well have been distracted by almost anything but

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<v Speaker 2>the Spotlight program on Channel seven last night well, they

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<v Speaker 2>decided to donate fifteen minutes of network television time to

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<v Speaker 2>a profile slash puff piece all about the man looking

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<v Speaker 2>into the future that would, of course, would be none

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<v Speaker 2>other than Grimjim Charmers now Albo, if you believe Labor

0:17:46.760 --> 0:17:49.040
<v Speaker 2>Party people, is one of the greats of all time.

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<v Speaker 2>The expectation is that he could be Hawk, Keeting and

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<v Speaker 2>rad all in one, and he could rule for the

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<v Speaker 2>next dozen elections. Reality of polling right now is that

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<v Speaker 2>he will be lucky to get away with the minority government,

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<v Speaker 2>and if things are really bad between now and then,

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<v Speaker 2>it could even be worse. Now, his assumption is that

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<v Speaker 2>if we win minority government, that's fine, we'll hold on,

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<v Speaker 2>or the lefty MPs will fall in our way. We'll

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<v Speaker 2>get to do a whole bunch of lefty stuff we

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't otherwise do, but we've been dragged to do it.

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<v Speaker 2>Or when they suggest really stupid things like treaties or

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<v Speaker 2>something like that, we turn around and say, oh no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 2>and then we'll sell ourselves as reasonable and that'll be

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<v Speaker 2>the whole play for the next three years should he

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<v Speaker 2>be re elected in a minority government. But if things

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<v Speaker 2>get worse during that minority government, who would theoretically be

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<v Speaker 2>an option for the Labor Party to look at and remember,

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<v Speaker 2>they changed Rudd Gillard Rudd and there's nothing to say

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<v Speaker 2>that MP's facing oblivion wouldn't think about doing exactly the

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<v Speaker 2>same thing, regardless of what the rules say. And while

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<v Speaker 2>two thirds of the Labour Party has to vote to

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<v Speaker 2>get rid of a sitting prime minister, fifty one or

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<v Speaker 2>fifty plus one need to change the rules. So you

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<v Speaker 2>get that the thresholds are a little lower than maybe

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<v Speaker 2>they seen. Well again, Jim Chance, he was doing a

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<v Speaker 2>little profile piece about a whole series of choices and

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<v Speaker 2>changes that he has made in his life and whether

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<v Speaker 2>or not he would actually challenge Anthony.

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<v Speaker 1>Ib needs you to be the leader of the Labor Party.

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<v Speaker 2>Watch this pick the wheasel worlds and imagine, is this

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<v Speaker 2>the guy who's one.

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<v Speaker 1>Hundred percent behind the current bloke Qualo tape.

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<v Speaker 8>In what circumstances would you seek the leadership?

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<v Speaker 3>I can't see any circumstances frankly the year.

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<v Speaker 9>But if a good treasurer in a great Labor government

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<v Speaker 9>which is led by Anthony from start to finish, well

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<v Speaker 9>that's seventeen. When I reflect on that or occasionally when

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<v Speaker 9>I'm asked about love this people like yourself. You know,

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<v Speaker 9>I'm quite proud of the decision that I took in

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<v Speaker 9>twenty nineteen to support Anthony for the leadership.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that decision has been vindicated.

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<v Speaker 8>You did have a credit for a while there, and

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<v Speaker 8>that leadership challenge he did shows an intention to do

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<v Speaker 8>that at some point in the future.

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<v Speaker 1>The labor you want to be the leader, just say

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<v Speaker 1>you want to be the leader of.

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<v Speaker 8>The election loss the leadership is thrown open.

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<v Speaker 1>Is he going to just say one day?

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<v Speaker 8>Everyone's processes so you're not closing off that possibility in

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<v Speaker 8>the future.

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<v Speaker 3>I just can't see it happening. Yeah, I can't see it.

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<v Speaker 8>You're never going to lose.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I can't see us being in that position.

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<v Speaker 8>You're a lot younger than him. He's not going to

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<v Speaker 8>be around for it.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, except so this is.

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<v Speaker 2>A good question, right, So, even if he doesn't exist,

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<v Speaker 2>would you like to be with you labor.

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<v Speaker 1>Lead him or not?

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<v Speaker 8>But if you are, that obviously would be a possibility

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<v Speaker 8>and a reality for you that there'll be a time

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<v Speaker 8>where you're going to have a crack at the leadership.

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<v Speaker 3>I can't really see the circumstances that would be the case.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, out boy falls apart when remember my word is

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<v Speaker 2>my bond. Ironically, that promise was also made on the

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<v Speaker 2>Spotlight program, so perhaps keep an eye on what was

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<v Speaker 2>said or more importantly not said, and speaking of this show,

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<v Speaker 2>because honestly I was watching this on the plane today

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<v Speaker 2>coming back from Lonnie. This was extraordinary that this went

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<v Speaker 2>to where I mean, generally speaking a fifteen minute profile.

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<v Speaker 1>Piece of the Treasurer of Australia.

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<v Speaker 2>But maybe there again with some insurance policy being taken

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<v Speaker 2>out here on having the inside run on a potential

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<v Speaker 2>next leader. A couple of things I want to talk

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<v Speaker 2>about here though, first, which I think you're a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit weird. Okay, Now, the first year is to do

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<v Speaker 2>nothing to do with the economy. Instead, this is to

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<v Speaker 2>do with some personal choices. Now you know that Jim

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<v Speaker 2>Charmers addressed in a Good Weekend piece in like half

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<v Speaker 2>a sentence he had to give.

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<v Speaker 1>Up the grog because you know it was a little

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<v Speaker 1>loose on the grock.

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<v Speaker 2>No one knows what that means, What does that mean?

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<v Speaker 2>What does it mean in the camera bubble of how

0:21:49.800 --> 0:21:53.760
<v Speaker 2>loose you are? Who knows what that means well, Spotlight

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<v Speaker 2>decided to get into this, and they did a very long,

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<v Speaker 2>meandering journey via his health as a reason to why

0:22:00.320 --> 0:22:02.439
<v Speaker 2>he gave up the booze. But then we get to

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<v Speaker 2>a question from Mark Riley, which I think is about

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<v Speaker 2>trying to go back to the word loose and work

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<v Speaker 2>out what that actually meant.

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<v Speaker 8>All the tape, that decision means you're leaving the booze

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<v Speaker 8>behind him? Are you're leaving other things behind? With any

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<v Speaker 8>regrets about that time?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh?

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<v Speaker 9>No, no, I mean you learn from I wasn't healthy enough.

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<v Speaker 9>You learn from that. You can always be healthier, you

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<v Speaker 9>can always strike a more effective balance.

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<v Speaker 3>And I feel like I am now.

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<v Speaker 2>Can we play it again? Look, I'm serious. I have

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<v Speaker 2>no idea what loose meant. I have no idea, all right,

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<v Speaker 2>But you can see that sort of the cogs are

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<v Speaker 2>going through his head where he says, what are you

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<v Speaker 2>talking about?

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<v Speaker 1>But then he clearly doesn't say what are you talking about?

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<v Speaker 2>Because then Mark Riley, as the reporter, would have an

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<v Speaker 2>opportunity to tell us what he was talking about again

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<v Speaker 2>one more time.

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<v Speaker 8>That decision is you're leaving the booze behind him? Are

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<v Speaker 8>you leaving other things? Behind with any regrets about that time.

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<v Speaker 9>Oh no, no, I mean you learn from I wasn't

0:23:11.560 --> 0:23:14.600
<v Speaker 9>healthy enough. You learn from that you can always be healthier,

0:23:14.680 --> 0:23:16.520
<v Speaker 9>You can always strike a more effective balance.

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<v Speaker 3>And I feel like I am now.

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<v Speaker 2>Feels like there's something in that pregnant pause right? Or

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<v Speaker 2>am I just seeing something that's not there?

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<v Speaker 1>Whatever? Loose meant they're pregnant pause? At least might Riley

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<v Speaker 1>try it and you could see the treasurer went no

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<v Speaker 1>around that.

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<v Speaker 2>Queensland just a couple of days ago until first of

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<v Speaker 2>the People's Forum tomorrow here on Sky News.

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<v Speaker 1>Then, of course we will be in Queensland for our

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<v Speaker 1>pub test.

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<v Speaker 2>Peter Dutton will be there to take some questions from

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<v Speaker 2>our audience at a pub in Brizzy. Will also have

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<v Speaker 2>a chat about the Queensland election and with a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of days to go, David Cruci Foley this is what

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<v Speaker 2>he was doing today on the trail. They will then

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<v Speaker 2>be retested in years one, three and five at school.

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<v Speaker 1>We are going to follow that.

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<v Speaker 2>Child through the journey of education and give them every

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<v Speaker 2>chance they can to turn up at school and be

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<v Speaker 2>their best.

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<v Speaker 1>Now he's talking about childcare changes.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, I always felt that inevitably things get a little

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<v Speaker 2>tighter towards an election. Now we know recent poles had

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<v Speaker 2>shown that the l ANDP was just flying away, a

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<v Speaker 2>Labor Party was sinking like a stone will surprise, surprise,

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<v Speaker 2>not flying as high and not sinking as low. However,

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<v Speaker 2>the headline that was produced was that Stephen Miles catches

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<v Speaker 2>David Chrusop fully as the preferred premier. But if you

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<v Speaker 2>actually go and have a look inside this document, the

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<v Speaker 2>only people who actually consider him to be the preferred

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<v Speaker 2>premiere of Queen's out of the people who live in

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<v Speaker 2>the inner metropolitan area. Now this is interesting because yes,

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<v Speaker 2>there are an awful lot of seats in the southeast,

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<v Speaker 2>but there isn't just the inner metropolitan area. There is

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<v Speaker 2>the outer metropolitan areas. Then of course there's the GC

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<v Speaker 2>or the Sunny Coast. Then there's the regional areas, then

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<v Speaker 2>there's the rural areas. Lots of ways to slice information

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<v Speaker 2>out of Ququeensland. So yes, he got close, but that's

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<v Speaker 2>because all of sort of the super inner city lefties,

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<v Speaker 2>well they would like anyone but a liberal. In terms

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<v Speaker 2>of the primary vote, yes, things are ever so slightly back,

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<v Speaker 2>but still you can see what the massive change is

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<v Speaker 2>still the best part of seven to eight points since

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<v Speaker 2>the election last time.

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<v Speaker 1>For the LNP labor back a little bit.

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<v Speaker 10>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>This is important because they've got to win twelve seats

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<v Speaker 2>to win now, I think, and I don't know the

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<v Speaker 2>exact numbers here, but I think that really the most

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<v Speaker 2>confident they're feeling about right now is about fifteen rather

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<v Speaker 2>than twelve.

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<v Speaker 1>They'd love to hope to go even higher than that.

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<v Speaker 2>And as we've seen in previous elections, you can reduce

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<v Speaker 2>a government to enough people to sit in a tarrago.

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<v Speaker 2>That's of course how Anisaja Palache ended up as the

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<v Speaker 2>so called accidental premiere, re elected a couple of times

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<v Speaker 2>as two party preferred. Again you can see basically the

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<v Speaker 2>exact opposite of where it was at the last election,

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<v Speaker 2>and that produced a majority result. When it comes to Queensland,

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<v Speaker 2>all wait watching Sea where there Tomorrow night for the

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<v Speaker 2>People's Forum, Wednesday night for the pub test and Saturday

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<v Speaker 2>night myself and Laura Jays will be side by say

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<v Speaker 2>it is always on an election night going through the

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<v Speaker 2>results at the top of the hour, along with Peter

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<v Speaker 2>Quedline and all of the team that will be back

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<v Speaker 2>in the studio lots to get to now the Act. Surprise, surprise,

0:26:20.400 --> 0:26:22.679
<v Speaker 2>the Labor Party won an election there. This is what

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<v Speaker 2>the twenty sixth year in a row that the Labor

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<v Speaker 2>Party will continue to well rule the city of public

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<v Speaker 2>servants that was the only place in the Strada devoted. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>it really is an island within an and it's a

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<v Speaker 2>bubble within a bubble whatever. Okay, it was a slightly

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<v Speaker 2>better result for the Act lives, but the reality is

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<v Speaker 2>it's a left leading city and we all know why.

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<v Speaker 2>But I just wanted to give a non shout out

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<v Speaker 2>of the day. I don't know whatever laws is used

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<v Speaker 2>to say shout out of the day or the ya

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<v Speaker 2>for the day, whatever the opposite is Kate Carnell, former

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<v Speaker 2>Liberal Party Chief Minister. She says the acteam May will

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<v Speaker 2>not bother with democracy, will not bother with democracy.

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<v Speaker 1>Well that would garbage. Now, Look would.

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<v Speaker 2>Those of us who would like a different approach in

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<v Speaker 2>the Act, like a different government. Is there a significant

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<v Speaker 2>number of people who keep voting for the opposition who

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<v Speaker 2>seemingly because of how many lefties there are, and the

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<v Speaker 2>ACT don't get a chance to ever be the government. Sure,

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<v Speaker 2>but why even vote if you can't win. There are

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<v Speaker 2>plenty of minor parties, there are plenty of opposition parties,

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<v Speaker 2>There are plenty of safe seats that are to the

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<v Speaker 2>left or to the right. But anyway, she was making

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<v Speaker 2>that point today. She says, I think the great dilemma

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<v Speaker 2>is why bother with democracy if you're not going to

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<v Speaker 2>change governments. The whole point of electing governments is that

0:27:38.440 --> 0:27:39.440
<v Speaker 2>you can change him from.

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<v Speaker 1>Time to time. What No, the democracy is the people

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<v Speaker 1>get what they want.

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<v Speaker 2>And clearly the lefties of that part of Australia definitely

0:27:46.920 --> 0:27:50.040
<v Speaker 2>keep wanting one government, the same bloody government, over and

0:27:50.119 --> 0:27:53.439
<v Speaker 2>over and over and over again. Now I want to

0:27:53.440 --> 0:27:55.800
<v Speaker 2>go to America because that will be a discussion we

0:27:55.800 --> 0:27:57.359
<v Speaker 2>will have later in the program with none other than

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<v Speaker 2>analyst Nielsen. I also buried the lead today because I

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<v Speaker 2>was so focused on Lydia Thope making it all about

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<v Speaker 2>her again. No, so look's no lefties tonight. That'll be fun. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>Hawgard was Donald Trump at Mackers. Now this was in Pennsylvania.

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<v Speaker 2>The reason he was doing this was because Kamala Harris

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<v Speaker 2>has long said, oh yeah, I used to work with McDonald's.

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<v Speaker 2>There's no proof that she ever did so, he decided

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<v Speaker 2>to work for whatever, fifteen minutes doing a stunt at

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<v Speaker 2>McDonald's so he could say I've worked there longer than

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<v Speaker 2>she has.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why this happened.

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<v Speaker 2>But does that not look like a guy who's really confident,

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<v Speaker 2>really happy, really calm. He's seeing all the data saying,

0:28:31.119 --> 0:28:32.439
<v Speaker 2>you know what, I'm a pretty good shot. And now,

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<v Speaker 2>remember for this guy, unlike all that everyone we're all

0:28:35.520 --> 0:28:36.520
<v Speaker 2>invested in, does he win?

0:28:36.640 --> 0:28:37.160
<v Speaker 1>Doesn't he win?

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<v Speaker 2>Remember this, he either wins the presidency or he will

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<v Speaker 2>inevitably go through a whole series of legal processes and

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<v Speaker 2>mean he goes to jail in the next two years.

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<v Speaker 2>Does that look like a bloke who is playing those

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<v Speaker 2>bigger hands. He ain't sweating it at all. Think about

0:28:52.880 --> 0:28:55.000
<v Speaker 2>how you may go if you're betting one hundred dollars.

0:28:55.360 --> 0:29:00.440
<v Speaker 2>He is literally betting the presidency or jail. Didn't seem

0:29:00.440 --> 0:29:02.280
<v Speaker 2>happier than he actually is. Right now, here's some of

0:29:02.280 --> 0:29:06.160
<v Speaker 2>the reaction. And yes they were Trump supporters, lefties. No

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<v Speaker 2>one thinks that a random member of the public would

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<v Speaker 2>be able to roll up to an open window to

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<v Speaker 2>a man who's been shot at twice.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, I'm having a lot of fun here.

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<v Speaker 5>Everybody.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you, mister president.

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<v Speaker 1>You men advised, but had many people they got you.

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<v Speaker 3>Hello everybody. And I know this is gomplements of Trump.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, yes, I love it. Of course it's a stunt.

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<v Speaker 2>But the stunt was to prove that he had worked

0:29:42.560 --> 0:29:45.239
<v Speaker 2>longer Abdols than she had, because it's part of an

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<v Speaker 2>overall message, which is she's a fake.

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<v Speaker 1>You know that, and I know that that.

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<v Speaker 2>She sort of pretended that an upper middle class experience

0:29:53.800 --> 0:29:56.360
<v Speaker 2>was a middle class experience, and middle is near low,

0:29:56.680 --> 0:29:57.880
<v Speaker 2>so let's pretend that it was.

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<v Speaker 1>A low or working class. Of course, as for the media,

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<v Speaker 1>they hated this.

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<v Speaker 2>Why because Trump won the day and when there's only

0:30:06.920 --> 0:30:10.120
<v Speaker 2>what fifteen of them left? If he wins the day,

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<v Speaker 2>while he's winning the poles, he's doing well, what.

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<v Speaker 5>Is the logic behind this going to a McDonald's.

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<v Speaker 7>I mean, we know the guy likes Big Max and

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<v Speaker 7>fleur Fish, and he's used the word love to describe

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<v Speaker 7>the way he feels about the food there before.

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<v Speaker 3>But what's this about.

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<v Speaker 7>There's no logic to it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a stunt. He has not put forth in economic agenda.

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<v Speaker 1>Now they know why he's there.

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<v Speaker 2>They just don't want to say it because it might

0:30:39.200 --> 0:30:41.400
<v Speaker 2>open up the door on something that Harris is not

0:30:41.400 --> 0:30:45.000
<v Speaker 2>Obama in a pants suit. Please, but the poles, because

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<v Speaker 2>I want to explain something about this right all weekend.

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<v Speaker 1>Who's going to win? Is he going to win? How

0:30:50.080 --> 0:30:51.040
<v Speaker 1>BIG's he going to win? By it?

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<v Speaker 2>Look, I am going before the data you've got, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I spend more hours and I look at multiple versions

0:30:56.760 --> 0:30:57.480
<v Speaker 2>of it, but it's.

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<v Speaker 1>Basically the poles.

0:30:58.920 --> 0:31:02.760
<v Speaker 2>Okay, and there are dozens of poles, but basically the

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<v Speaker 2>seven states that matter. What you're able to do is

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<v Speaker 2>put them all together, have a look at the average,

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<v Speaker 2>and the average in all those swing states. Trump winning

0:31:10.880 --> 0:31:13.880
<v Speaker 2>in all of those swing states. Now, if he wins

0:31:13.880 --> 0:31:17.120
<v Speaker 2>in all of those swing states, he absolutely blows Kamala

0:31:17.120 --> 0:31:17.720
<v Speaker 2>Harris away.

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<v Speaker 1>No question.

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<v Speaker 2>This thing is over a couple of hours into the counting.

0:31:21.040 --> 0:31:22.960
<v Speaker 2>But that's not the way it actually is going to work.

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<v Speaker 2>A little here, a little there, and it will most

0:31:25.400 --> 0:31:27.120
<v Speaker 2>likely be a lot tighter than it seems.

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<v Speaker 1>So how do they work out the averages? Well, obviously

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<v Speaker 1>they have a look at all of the poles.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, whether they cut it off at ten poles or

0:31:34.240 --> 0:31:37.080
<v Speaker 2>twenty poles or thirty poles. I don't know, but here

0:31:37.120 --> 0:31:42.120
<v Speaker 2>are the most recent poles in Pennsylvania. They show Trump winning,

0:31:42.120 --> 0:31:45.280
<v Speaker 2>Trump winning, Trump winning, Harris winning, Trump winning, Trump winning,

0:31:45.320 --> 0:31:47.000
<v Speaker 2>Trump winning, Harris Harris Trump.

0:31:47.760 --> 0:31:50.640
<v Speaker 1>So you see how you look at that picture and you.

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<v Speaker 2>Go okay, as an average kind of head in Trump's way.

0:31:54.600 --> 0:31:56.680
<v Speaker 2>What about up in Wisconsin again, one of the blue

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<v Speaker 2>wall states that if Trump wins these, he's going to

0:31:59.240 --> 0:32:02.480
<v Speaker 2>win the presidency. Well, again, most recent pole says Harris

0:32:02.520 --> 0:32:05.880
<v Speaker 2>is winning, but the average goes to Trump because there's

0:32:05.920 --> 0:32:09.120
<v Speaker 2>two Trump wins, there's three ties, there's another Trump win,

0:32:09.440 --> 0:32:13.760
<v Speaker 2>and there's another Harris win. You get my point. And

0:32:13.840 --> 0:32:16.880
<v Speaker 2>finally again in North Carolina. Now this is the place

0:32:16.920 --> 0:32:19.520
<v Speaker 2>that Trump won last time. He expects to win this time.

0:32:19.560 --> 0:32:23.080
<v Speaker 2>But Harris is leading in the most recent poll, a

0:32:23.160 --> 0:32:27.520
<v Speaker 2>tie before that, and before that it's three percent for Harris.

0:32:27.520 --> 0:32:29.800
<v Speaker 2>But then the poll before that it's five percent for Trump.

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<v Speaker 2>So good luck working all this out.

0:32:32.080 --> 0:32:32.240
<v Speaker 1>Now.

0:32:32.280 --> 0:32:35.440
<v Speaker 2>Steve Cornaki is super lefty. He's sort of the data

0:32:35.480 --> 0:32:37.920
<v Speaker 2>guy on MSNBC. It's his job to go and push

0:32:37.960 --> 0:32:40.720
<v Speaker 2>the big screen and explain what's happening.

0:32:40.880 --> 0:32:41.040
<v Speaker 1>Now.

0:32:41.040 --> 0:32:43.520
<v Speaker 2>Obviously he is trying to find a way to tell

0:32:43.560 --> 0:32:46.320
<v Speaker 2>people that polling averages which are looking good for Trump

0:32:46.440 --> 0:32:50.240
<v Speaker 2>right now may will be a mirage and miraculously it's

0:32:50.240 --> 0:32:52.760
<v Speaker 2>all going to be good for Harris. But why I

0:32:52.800 --> 0:32:54.880
<v Speaker 2>can't tell you that Donald Trump to spunt the fact

0:32:54.880 --> 0:32:57.000
<v Speaker 2>that he's leading with the bookies and all of the

0:32:57.120 --> 0:33:01.000
<v Speaker 2>statistical models and the poles is dead definitely going to win.

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<v Speaker 1>It's because poles can be wrong.

0:33:03.840 --> 0:33:07.720
<v Speaker 2>They've been wrong in sixteen and twenty where they undercounted

0:33:08.200 --> 0:33:12.920
<v Speaker 2>Trump's support and overcounted the Democrats. But let's just imagine

0:33:12.960 --> 0:33:17.600
<v Speaker 2>for whatever reason, they're overcounting Trump people and undercounting Harris people.

0:33:17.960 --> 0:33:18.920
<v Speaker 1>He'll explain why.

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<v Speaker 11>Here's why that's important. These are the poll averages right

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<v Speaker 11>now in all the battleground states. If those poles are

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<v Speaker 11>off the same way they were in twenty sixteen, in

0:33:27.920 --> 0:33:31.280
<v Speaker 11>twenty twenty, Donald Trump is in great sheep. But these

0:33:31.320 --> 0:33:34.560
<v Speaker 11>poll errors don't always happen in the same direction. If

0:33:34.560 --> 0:33:39.360
<v Speaker 11>they're off by the same amount, but this time underestimating Democrats,

0:33:39.840 --> 0:33:41.480
<v Speaker 11>this is what those states would look like.

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<v Speaker 2>So anyone who's saying, absolutely, hand on heart, I know

0:33:45.360 --> 0:33:46.640
<v Speaker 2>what's going to happen, that's great.

0:33:46.800 --> 0:33:49.120
<v Speaker 1>They're going with their gut. Okay, if you.

0:33:49.080 --> 0:33:51.760
<v Speaker 2>Are following the data to make sure that you can

0:33:51.800 --> 0:33:54.120
<v Speaker 2>match it up with how your guts feeling. That's why

0:33:54.640 --> 0:33:56.880
<v Speaker 2>I can tell you that Trump is leading, but not

0:33:56.920 --> 0:34:01.760
<v Speaker 2>that he is going to win. The form gives us

0:34:01.800 --> 0:34:03.800
<v Speaker 2>an indication of what is going to happen in the future.

0:34:03.880 --> 0:34:06.200
<v Speaker 2>Then yes, those polling areas are going to most likely

0:34:06.440 --> 0:34:09.160
<v Speaker 2>go his way, meaning his wing gets bigger. But but

0:34:09.320 --> 0:34:12.960
<v Speaker 2>but when two things are an option, two things could

0:34:13.000 --> 0:34:14.480
<v Speaker 2>happen quick break back with.

0:34:14.480 --> 0:34:15.799
<v Speaker 1>More no sooks, no left kings.

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<v Speaker 2>I think Matt Canavan's coming into the man Cave and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm looking forward to this. Analyst Nielsen from the States

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<v Speaker 2>as well, thank you very much for watching. Christian McSweeney

0:34:28.080 --> 0:34:30.520
<v Speaker 2>joining us right now, I believe from Brisbane. I think

0:34:30.560 --> 0:34:33.080
<v Speaker 2>she's said there she is, Oh sorry, Melbourne all right,

0:34:33.160 --> 0:34:35.919
<v Speaker 2>just just just betterfor just as music.

0:34:36.000 --> 0:34:36.960
<v Speaker 1>It would be better in Bristo.

0:34:36.920 --> 0:34:38.799
<v Speaker 2>But no other than Matt Canavan here in the man Cave.

0:34:38.840 --> 0:34:40.880
<v Speaker 2>I'd let him take over any time he wants. And

0:34:40.920 --> 0:34:42.319
<v Speaker 2>what about this, He could have met the king today,

0:34:42.320 --> 0:34:45.759
<v Speaker 2>but no family comes. First world done, mate, So I

0:34:45.840 --> 0:34:47.440
<v Speaker 2>know I'm giving her what I want with the Lydia

0:34:47.480 --> 0:34:49.839
<v Speaker 2>Thorpe thing. But it's just I wanted to talk about

0:34:49.880 --> 0:34:53.279
<v Speaker 2>it from that UK perspective, right, So their breakfast news was,

0:34:53.600 --> 0:34:56.640
<v Speaker 2>you know, as if this one giant moment. Instead we

0:34:56.719 --> 0:35:01.280
<v Speaker 2>know that this one off person's se what they always say,

0:35:01.719 --> 0:35:04.840
<v Speaker 2>forty five seconds, no one reacts, there's not thousands of

0:35:04.840 --> 0:35:05.719
<v Speaker 2>people outside.

0:35:05.960 --> 0:35:06.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 12>Look, it's frustrating obviously that our so called I suppose

0:35:09.680 --> 0:35:13.320
<v Speaker 12>international reputation is tarnished from this. But look, the silver

0:35:13.400 --> 0:35:16.520
<v Speaker 12>lining is that your average Australian watching that and viewing

0:35:16.560 --> 0:35:19.759
<v Speaker 12>that has not increased their love or warmth for the

0:35:19.800 --> 0:35:22.960
<v Speaker 12>Republican movement. I mean, she's a shocking advocate for that

0:35:23.000 --> 0:35:24.759
<v Speaker 12>side of thing, and it basically now seems to be

0:35:24.760 --> 0:35:29.239
<v Speaker 12>a movement that's reduced down to people who wear red bandannas.

0:35:29.600 --> 0:35:32.480
<v Speaker 12>You'd like to interrupt her official events, form a soccer player,

0:35:32.480 --> 0:35:35.359
<v Speaker 12>that's about it. Now you fit them in a car.

0:35:35.520 --> 0:35:38.480
<v Speaker 12>So look, I look, these people are no good advocates

0:35:38.480 --> 0:35:40.640
<v Speaker 12>for themselves. I don't like giving her air time, but

0:35:40.680 --> 0:35:42.239
<v Speaker 12>it's a bad time. I suppose as a member of

0:35:42.280 --> 0:35:45.800
<v Speaker 12>the Senate, now what action should be taken. It's about

0:35:45.840 --> 0:35:49.319
<v Speaker 12>time there's some preemptive suspensions for people like her. I mean,

0:35:49.360 --> 0:35:51.440
<v Speaker 12>why is she there? It's not an official we can't

0:35:51.520 --> 0:35:53.640
<v Speaker 12>kick her out of the Senate, but she's been elected.

0:35:53.880 --> 0:35:55.920
<v Speaker 12>But why is she at these events? She's have a

0:35:56.000 --> 0:35:59.560
<v Speaker 12>proven record of interrupting them, of not abiding by the rules,

0:36:00.120 --> 0:36:01.879
<v Speaker 12>So wan to just ban it from those sort of things.

0:36:02.080 --> 0:36:05.759
<v Speaker 2>But also if it's pretty obvious, I mean literally, we

0:36:05.840 --> 0:36:07.600
<v Speaker 2>know that there was two fingers behind her back when

0:36:07.640 --> 0:36:11.040
<v Speaker 2>she gave the oath. Secondly, we know that this is

0:36:11.120 --> 0:36:14.240
<v Speaker 2>her practical statement, including you know, screw the system.

0:36:15.160 --> 0:36:17.560
<v Speaker 1>I completely agree, but we all know it'll be hair

0:36:17.600 --> 0:36:19.400
<v Speaker 1>on fire. But that doesn't mean you don't try it. Yeah, well,

0:36:19.400 --> 0:36:20.160
<v Speaker 1>I don't push, but.

0:36:20.400 --> 0:36:22.040
<v Speaker 12>I probably would have gone today if my mum could

0:36:22.080 --> 0:36:24.120
<v Speaker 12>have been a gone she wanted to go. My mom

0:36:24.160 --> 0:36:25.879
<v Speaker 12>could have gone. If Lydia was kicked out, mom could

0:36:25.880 --> 0:36:26.200
<v Speaker 12>have gone.

0:36:27.040 --> 0:36:29.080
<v Speaker 2>And I reckon your mums, Lydia, I know who my

0:36:29.120 --> 0:36:31.480
<v Speaker 2>money's on here. All right, Christy, let's talk about the

0:36:31.520 --> 0:36:33.840
<v Speaker 2>protests that have been happening in and around some of

0:36:33.840 --> 0:36:38.479
<v Speaker 2>the ridiculous stuff right around the hamas leader. And there's

0:36:38.480 --> 0:36:40.959
<v Speaker 2>a little trick that's being played, and let's talk about

0:36:40.960 --> 0:36:44.520
<v Speaker 2>this here, which is that there are groups who would

0:36:44.600 --> 0:36:46.920
<v Speaker 2>not be able to get away with saying certain things

0:36:47.040 --> 0:36:49.080
<v Speaker 2>in certain places, but because they do it on the

0:36:49.080 --> 0:36:52.600
<v Speaker 2>steps of religious places, it is something that looks like

0:36:52.680 --> 0:36:55.480
<v Speaker 2>religious speech, not political speech. And I know we could

0:36:55.480 --> 0:36:58.080
<v Speaker 2>spend two hours talking about at times the intersection between

0:36:58.120 --> 0:37:00.640
<v Speaker 2>the two, but we know some of the garbage that

0:37:00.680 --> 0:37:01.720
<v Speaker 2>has been said on the steps.

0:37:01.719 --> 0:37:04.600
<v Speaker 1>I think this one is in La Kember. You've heard greater.

0:37:04.400 --> 0:37:06.160
<v Speaker 2>Details from all of the other hosts, but I just

0:37:06.160 --> 0:37:10.760
<v Speaker 2>wanted to get Christie's thoughts. Here we go, he warrious

0:37:10.880 --> 0:37:15.840
<v Speaker 2>step amongst these men, one with these people in defense

0:37:15.960 --> 0:37:16.640
<v Speaker 2>of his lip.

0:37:17.040 --> 0:37:18.400
<v Speaker 1>Oh God, I've heard that.

0:37:18.560 --> 0:37:22.200
<v Speaker 2>Enough, Okay, enough, You've just got a taste of the

0:37:22.200 --> 0:37:23.880
<v Speaker 2>obvious here, Christy.

0:37:23.960 --> 0:37:25.120
<v Speaker 1>How does Australia react here?

0:37:25.160 --> 0:37:27.960
<v Speaker 2>Because here's the reality, right, there are people who come

0:37:28.000 --> 0:37:29.800
<v Speaker 2>in and out of the country who give the speeches,

0:37:29.960 --> 0:37:32.520
<v Speaker 2>and there are people that are born here, right, and

0:37:32.640 --> 0:37:34.720
<v Speaker 2>there's an awful lot of people who are born here.

0:37:35.000 --> 0:37:36.719
<v Speaker 1>Who are the ones taking up the microphone?

0:37:39.160 --> 0:37:42.719
<v Speaker 10>Certainly there is, and we have said it repeatedly on

0:37:42.760 --> 0:37:49.520
<v Speaker 10>this network that international foreign conflicts have no place in

0:37:49.600 --> 0:37:55.640
<v Speaker 10>the amazing multicultural society that is successful Australia. However, should

0:37:55.760 --> 0:37:59.560
<v Speaker 10>international foreign conflicts be imported. I think there's a place

0:37:59.760 --> 0:38:01.920
<v Speaker 10>to classify them as hate speech.

0:38:02.760 --> 0:38:04.400
<v Speaker 6>We have to look seriously at that.

0:38:04.480 --> 0:38:05.759
<v Speaker 4>What do these laws mean?

0:38:05.840 --> 0:38:09.799
<v Speaker 10>And I know that there are always nuances in these

0:38:09.840 --> 0:38:13.759
<v Speaker 10>such things, but certainly I think, you know, when it

0:38:13.880 --> 0:38:18.400
<v Speaker 10>impedes people's freedom to live in a harmonious, multicultural society

0:38:18.680 --> 0:38:23.040
<v Speaker 10>under Australian laws and Australian values, which are multicultural values

0:38:23.080 --> 0:38:26.040
<v Speaker 10>that we all share, I think we really have to.

0:38:25.960 --> 0:38:26.520
<v Speaker 5>Look at that.

0:38:27.400 --> 0:38:31.120
<v Speaker 2>But also, Matt other speakers that turn around, So in

0:38:31.200 --> 0:38:34.319
<v Speaker 2>the future, is Islam the respont to reap on their

0:38:34.360 --> 0:38:37.920
<v Speaker 2>own website read about us what their plan is? Right,

0:38:37.960 --> 0:38:40.040
<v Speaker 2>and it ain't the country that we live in right now?

0:38:42.080 --> 0:38:44.920
<v Speaker 2>How do we negotiate these moments?

0:38:45.000 --> 0:38:46.560
<v Speaker 12>Well, I think what we need to do is take

0:38:46.640 --> 0:38:48.839
<v Speaker 12>much more pride in our own country. I mean that's

0:38:49.239 --> 0:38:52.399
<v Speaker 12>number one. Yeah, you could try and ban these groups

0:38:52.480 --> 0:38:55.760
<v Speaker 12>those things, but you can't. You can't completely suppress an idea.

0:38:56.040 --> 0:39:00.880
<v Speaker 12>And the best antidote too, this is to return to

0:39:00.920 --> 0:39:04.319
<v Speaker 12>a world where we're not ashamed of promoting how great

0:39:04.360 --> 0:39:06.360
<v Speaker 12>this country is. We teach that to our children, we

0:39:06.360 --> 0:39:08.960
<v Speaker 12>teach that in all of our schools. Bring back you know,

0:39:09.000 --> 0:39:11.280
<v Speaker 12>having a national anthem and the flag and all schools,

0:39:11.680 --> 0:39:15.279
<v Speaker 12>and so you counter these people spreading hate and we

0:39:15.360 --> 0:39:17.080
<v Speaker 12>win that battle. We win that battle ideas. That's how

0:39:17.080 --> 0:39:17.439
<v Speaker 12>it's one.

0:39:17.719 --> 0:39:17.879
<v Speaker 1>Now.

0:39:17.880 --> 0:39:19.600
<v Speaker 2>I'm pretty sure at the time, you know, maybe been

0:39:19.680 --> 0:39:22.799
<v Speaker 2>on opposite sides of the euthanasia that go gentle or

0:39:23.040 --> 0:39:24.759
<v Speaker 2>right to die, all of the different ways these things

0:39:24.800 --> 0:39:27.520
<v Speaker 2>get spoken of. There's a story that I'm going to

0:39:27.560 --> 0:39:29.680
<v Speaker 2>imagine today would be the type of thing that people

0:39:29.719 --> 0:39:32.160
<v Speaker 2>worried about when this conversation was taking place. Now I

0:39:32.160 --> 0:39:34.000
<v Speaker 2>stand by my support of it and the system being

0:39:34.080 --> 0:39:37.560
<v Speaker 2>in place. I know a beautiful family that is that

0:39:37.640 --> 0:39:40.560
<v Speaker 2>their family has gone through this process, right a family member.

0:39:41.239 --> 0:39:42.960
<v Speaker 2>But I want to talk about a person called Cyril

0:39:43.200 --> 0:39:46.319
<v Speaker 2>Profile today in the Australian newspaper suggesting that there is

0:39:46.320 --> 0:39:48.799
<v Speaker 2>no life, there is no dignity. I'm very sick now

0:39:48.800 --> 0:39:51.960
<v Speaker 2>and it won't last long. I've started the process. You

0:39:52.080 --> 0:39:54.000
<v Speaker 2>have to be passed by two doctors. What he is

0:39:54.040 --> 0:39:56.200
<v Speaker 2>talking about, apart from anything else, is the problems in

0:39:56.239 --> 0:39:59.400
<v Speaker 2>and around age care and his ability to be okay

0:39:59.480 --> 0:40:04.000
<v Speaker 2>at home, his ability to access a system. Now, obviously

0:40:04.080 --> 0:40:05.680
<v Speaker 2>we have not got to the moment where we're going

0:40:05.760 --> 0:40:07.919
<v Speaker 2>to be dialing down. And I want to frighten people

0:40:07.920 --> 0:40:09.520
<v Speaker 2>watching us right now where we're going to be running

0:40:09.520 --> 0:40:13.040
<v Speaker 2>down age care in order to run up euthanasia. But

0:40:13.160 --> 0:40:15.359
<v Speaker 2>this is the type of stuff you were you would

0:40:15.400 --> 0:40:16.760
<v Speaker 2>have pointed to as a consul.

0:40:16.840 --> 0:40:18.759
<v Speaker 12>Look, I don't want to use it as a vehicle

0:40:18.800 --> 0:40:22.000
<v Speaker 12>for that debate, because this is an incredibly sad personal

0:40:22.040 --> 0:40:27.360
<v Speaker 12>situation for Cyril and his loved ones. But this this

0:40:27.880 --> 0:40:30.080
<v Speaker 12>is more an age care story for me, right, I

0:40:30.160 --> 0:40:33.759
<v Speaker 12>mean he's he's effectively saying, if I can take what

0:40:33.840 --> 0:40:36.400
<v Speaker 12>he said in this article is true that he would

0:40:36.719 --> 0:40:38.960
<v Speaker 12>want to be wanting to continue his life, but for

0:40:39.080 --> 0:40:41.239
<v Speaker 12>not being able to get proper care. Yeah, that's an

0:40:41.239 --> 0:40:43.880
<v Speaker 12>indictment on our age care system, not the laws of

0:40:43.960 --> 0:40:48.240
<v Speaker 12>governing euthanasia. And look, you know this is a terrible

0:40:48.440 --> 0:40:51.640
<v Speaker 12>individual case, but it is a reflection of the fact

0:40:51.680 --> 0:40:56.120
<v Speaker 12>that waiting lists for age care places, these serious cases

0:40:56.160 --> 0:40:58.719
<v Speaker 12>like Cyril's have more than doubled in the past fifteen months,

0:40:59.160 --> 0:41:00.680
<v Speaker 12>and a big part of that is because the governor

0:41:00.680 --> 0:41:02.400
<v Speaker 12>has put all this red tape and regulation in our

0:41:02.440 --> 0:41:04.920
<v Speaker 12>age care sector, making a lot more costly and there

0:41:04.920 --> 0:41:07.600
<v Speaker 12>for a lot fewer places available for people in high

0:41:07.680 --> 0:41:09.680
<v Speaker 12>needs like Ceril, but also Christie.

0:41:09.760 --> 0:41:11.799
<v Speaker 2>We all know that sort of even in business, right,

0:41:11.880 --> 0:41:14.120
<v Speaker 2>one arm doesn't speak to the other. This department doesn't

0:41:14.120 --> 0:41:17.920
<v Speaker 2>speak to that. Okay, cool, Yet there's a federal budget

0:41:17.920 --> 0:41:22.920
<v Speaker 2>every year, there's public announcements about immigration, about population. We

0:41:23.000 --> 0:41:25.120
<v Speaker 2>know every four years. This is thing called a census.

0:41:25.160 --> 0:41:27.920
<v Speaker 2>It's not like we don't know when there's going to

0:41:27.960 --> 0:41:33.319
<v Speaker 2>be greater demand. We have absolutely failed when people like

0:41:33.440 --> 0:41:36.000
<v Speaker 2>Cyril are in the scenario that Cyril is in.

0:41:38.480 --> 0:41:42.640
<v Speaker 10>Certainly, the Productivity Commission into Generational Report has been warning

0:41:42.719 --> 0:41:48.440
<v Speaker 10>us for decades of the explosion of the aging population

0:41:48.640 --> 0:41:53.880
<v Speaker 10>the needs of age care, and successive governments have failed

0:41:54.680 --> 0:41:58.520
<v Speaker 10>to budget for that. But we must remember the Albanesi

0:41:58.640 --> 0:42:01.400
<v Speaker 10>government during the election. Camp I went to the election

0:42:01.600 --> 0:42:05.160
<v Speaker 10>promising a raft of things for age care which have

0:42:05.239 --> 0:42:07.879
<v Speaker 10>now turned out to be in the never never one

0:42:07.960 --> 0:42:11.960
<v Speaker 10>was the on site nurses twenty four hours in every facility.

0:42:12.239 --> 0:42:16.000
<v Speaker 10>The other one was right down to a food deal

0:42:16.200 --> 0:42:19.799
<v Speaker 10>with Maggie Beer. So they were very concerned to be

0:42:19.920 --> 0:42:23.560
<v Speaker 10>explicit about what food they would team up with and

0:42:23.600 --> 0:42:27.680
<v Speaker 10>what famous celebrity chef. But we've now said right from

0:42:27.680 --> 0:42:30.640
<v Speaker 10>the beginning, when people are on a waiting list to

0:42:30.640 --> 0:42:34.040
<v Speaker 10>get what's called an ACAT assessment, which is the Age

0:42:34.080 --> 0:42:37.200
<v Speaker 10>Care Assessment team, and they come and assess you for

0:42:37.239 --> 0:42:41.040
<v Speaker 10>what package you are eligible for the white list to

0:42:41.239 --> 0:42:44.839
<v Speaker 10>even get your assessment, let alone to get a care

0:42:44.920 --> 0:42:48.000
<v Speaker 10>package once you've been approved. Like this, poor gentleman, And

0:42:48.120 --> 0:42:52.759
<v Speaker 10>congratulations to Rebecca Sharky for highlighting that it starts at

0:42:52.760 --> 0:42:55.600
<v Speaker 10>the beginning. People cannot even get assessed. There are not

0:42:55.760 --> 0:42:59.080
<v Speaker 10>enough staff in those age care assessment teams, particularly in

0:42:59.200 --> 0:43:04.680
<v Speaker 10>regional It is a gigantic problem that the government has

0:43:04.719 --> 0:43:06.800
<v Speaker 10>put their head in the sand. If you want to

0:43:06.840 --> 0:43:09.000
<v Speaker 10>talk about AGEK work for force.

0:43:09.920 --> 0:43:10.560
<v Speaker 1>Start with that.

0:43:11.160 --> 0:43:13.080
<v Speaker 2>Christ You give me one word answer here. Who was

0:43:13.120 --> 0:43:16.040
<v Speaker 2>the bigger winner in PR terms? Trump or McDonald's when

0:43:16.080 --> 0:43:18.920
<v Speaker 2>Trump went to McDonald's Because everyone so you said McDonald's

0:43:18.920 --> 0:43:20.360
<v Speaker 2>a lot in the past twenty four hours.

0:43:23.080 --> 0:43:25.840
<v Speaker 5>I think McDonald's yes, breakthrough.

0:43:26.520 --> 0:43:28.680
<v Speaker 12>Yeah so do I I've been craving a big back

0:43:28.680 --> 0:43:29.080
<v Speaker 12>all day.

0:43:30.080 --> 0:43:31.360
<v Speaker 3>My crap on the way back.

0:43:32.680 --> 0:43:34.399
<v Speaker 1>Double at the moment was great.

0:43:34.520 --> 0:43:36.239
<v Speaker 2>By the way, I was just thinking, if you had

0:43:36.360 --> 0:43:37.920
<v Speaker 2>gone to the King today, it may would have been

0:43:37.920 --> 0:43:39.640
<v Speaker 2>two senators. You would have been blowing up about the

0:43:39.640 --> 0:43:42.759
<v Speaker 2>climate change stuff. She's blowing up about the That's right.

0:43:42.760 --> 0:43:44.640
<v Speaker 12>I would have been interjecting on the Kings in your

0:43:44.640 --> 0:43:46.920
<v Speaker 12>blandercy tight.

0:43:47.960 --> 0:43:52.480
<v Speaker 1>Downstairs. What are you in for? All right?

0:43:52.719 --> 0:43:53.920
<v Speaker 2>Thank you about all the best and all the best

0:43:53.920 --> 0:43:55.800
<v Speaker 2>of the family as you make the way through year twelve,

0:43:56.239 --> 0:43:58.640
<v Speaker 2>big exams. All right, thank you, mate, appreciate it. Right,

0:43:58.680 --> 0:44:00.880
<v Speaker 2>quick break back with the more Alise Nielsen in the

0:44:00.920 --> 0:44:03.880
<v Speaker 2>United States. Yeah, we'll talk about Trump macas polling, what

0:44:04.040 --> 0:44:06.319
<v Speaker 2>she's feeling. And she is in a swing state and

0:44:06.360 --> 0:44:08.320
<v Speaker 2>a swingy bit of a swing state tonight.

0:44:08.560 --> 0:44:11.279
<v Speaker 1>So let's talk about swinging with analyse more than a set.

0:44:16.760 --> 0:44:18.800
<v Speaker 2>Let us talk to the wonderful Annalyse Nielsen, who is

0:44:18.840 --> 0:44:20.840
<v Speaker 2>yet again out on the road ahead of the American

0:44:20.880 --> 0:44:23.320
<v Speaker 2>election a couple of weeks ago. And she is right

0:44:23.400 --> 0:44:25.920
<v Speaker 2>in the heart of a very swingy bit of a

0:44:26.040 --> 0:44:29.800
<v Speaker 2>very swingy state. I'm not going to pretend to pronounce Sheboygan?

0:44:29.920 --> 0:44:31.240
<v Speaker 1>Is it? Where are you today?

0:44:32.560 --> 0:44:33.279
<v Speaker 6>Sheboygan?

0:44:33.560 --> 0:44:34.239
<v Speaker 1>Sheboygan?

0:44:34.320 --> 0:44:36.480
<v Speaker 6>All right, I'm going to do my Wisconsin ACXI. I'll

0:44:36.520 --> 0:44:40.920
<v Speaker 6>offend everyone, but yees call the Miami of Wisconsin. We're

0:44:41.000 --> 0:44:41.640
<v Speaker 6>right on the lake.

0:44:42.080 --> 0:44:44.920
<v Speaker 2>So give me so give me the idea about about Wisconsin,

0:44:45.239 --> 0:44:48.480
<v Speaker 2>and this is a place that has that when Obama

0:44:48.800 --> 0:44:53.680
<v Speaker 2>Trump Biden, it has bounced around a bit. What is

0:44:53.760 --> 0:44:56.719
<v Speaker 2>the sense of who you've been meeting in and around

0:44:56.760 --> 0:44:58.840
<v Speaker 2>the streets or the data that you've been trying to

0:44:58.840 --> 0:45:04.160
<v Speaker 2>follow about that part of the blue wall.

0:45:04.280 --> 0:45:07.280
<v Speaker 6>Look, they lost Wisconsin for Hillary Clinton because she didn't

0:45:07.280 --> 0:45:09.279
<v Speaker 6>bother to come and she took it for granted. And

0:45:09.320 --> 0:45:12.040
<v Speaker 6>no one's ever going to take Wisconsin for granted again.

0:45:12.200 --> 0:45:14.200
<v Speaker 6>They're not taking it for granted this time. But we

0:45:14.200 --> 0:45:16.000
<v Speaker 6>were here yesterday. We've only been here for a day,

0:45:16.000 --> 0:45:18.480
<v Speaker 6>but we were out talking to voters. And it's the

0:45:18.520 --> 0:45:20.400
<v Speaker 6>same thing we've been getting in the other swing states

0:45:20.400 --> 0:45:23.120
<v Speaker 6>where people just aren't happy with the choices that they

0:45:23.160 --> 0:45:25.640
<v Speaker 6>have this election. So when we're being told all this

0:45:25.960 --> 0:45:29.520
<v Speaker 6>analysis around undecided voters, what I get the sense of

0:45:29.560 --> 0:45:31.880
<v Speaker 6>when you actually talk to people face to face, because

0:45:31.880 --> 0:45:33.719
<v Speaker 6>I know, going out and just doing a bunch of

0:45:33.760 --> 0:45:36.479
<v Speaker 6>interviews in a row, it's not as scientific as a poll.

0:45:36.560 --> 0:45:38.120
<v Speaker 6>But what you do get is that sense of what

0:45:38.160 --> 0:45:40.320
<v Speaker 6>people are really thinking. You can read the body language,

0:45:40.320 --> 0:45:43.799
<v Speaker 6>you can read the pauses people have made up their mind.

0:45:43.840 --> 0:45:45.960
<v Speaker 6>They're not happy with it. And they're leaving it to

0:45:45.960 --> 0:45:48.440
<v Speaker 6>the last minute because they really just don't like the

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<v Speaker 6>idea of what they're doing. And so this is where

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<v Speaker 6>I get the sense that things are heading and also

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<v Speaker 6>that there has been We've seen a lot of people

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<v Speaker 6>who should be traditionally very supportive of Kamla haha, it's

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<v Speaker 6>not enthusiastic about it. So we met a young woman

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<v Speaker 6>of color yesterday who is not going to vote at

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<v Speaker 6>all because she hated Trump. She doesn't think Kamala Harris's

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<v Speaker 6>genuine person, and so she was going to write herself in.

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<v Speaker 6>But we hear that a lot, and the polls show

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<v Speaker 6>how tight it is. I think that is absolutely going

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<v Speaker 6>to be true. This is going to come down to

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<v Speaker 6>the wire.

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<v Speaker 2>I would also imagine that the phenomena that people need

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<v Speaker 2>to understand, and anyone who lives in a marginal seat

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<v Speaker 2>in Australia would know, Oh yeah, they turn up a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>No no, no, every ad, every TV show, every radio station,

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<v Speaker 2>and every time you go online. They must be up

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<v Speaker 2>to the end of it just going please shut up,

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<v Speaker 2>like there's no where you're not trying to win me over.

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<v Speaker 2>And that has sort of its own effect, doesn't it.

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<v Speaker 6>It does and often in a good way. People in

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<v Speaker 6>swing states, we find are often very well across the

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<v Speaker 6>policies because they know that they have an important vote.

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<v Speaker 6>They know that they're going to be influential in this election,

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<v Speaker 6>so they do take it seriously. And I think especially

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<v Speaker 6>when we talk about Americans having non compulsory voting, there's

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<v Speaker 6>often this assumption that, oh, they don't take it seriously,

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<v Speaker 6>because sometimes they set it out. Most often they will

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<v Speaker 6>do that in an intellectual way. They'll say, I don't

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<v Speaker 6>like the options. I'm therefore exercising my right to not

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<v Speaker 6>pick one because I have looked at these options and

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<v Speaker 6>I do not like them. Of course, there is a

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<v Speaker 6>segment of the population that just says, like ad none

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<v Speaker 6>into politics, don't care. But in swing states, you don't

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<v Speaker 6>really get the chance to do that. You are so

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<v Speaker 6>you have people knocking on your doors, every billboard, You're right,

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<v Speaker 6>every ad break.

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<v Speaker 12>It is ad nauseum.

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<v Speaker 6>And it's one of the reasons they have good local

0:47:34.520 --> 0:47:38.480
<v Speaker 6>news markets is because these local news outlets get all

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<v Speaker 6>this money for campaign funding. So it's a kind of

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<v Speaker 6>cyclical thing for you.

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<v Speaker 2>I was going to say, they've got the best and

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<v Speaker 2>the newest of gear because they make hundreds of millions

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<v Speaker 2>of dollars out of all the ads that they just

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<v Speaker 2>run every two and four years. All right, last one here,

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<v Speaker 2>and again, I'm not going to get into the game

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<v Speaker 2>of who's winning and who's up and who you Again,

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<v Speaker 2>I explained why anyone following data has no idea which

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<v Speaker 2>way it's actually pointing right now. But I did want

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<v Speaker 2>to ask you about this about which is closing arguments.

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<v Speaker 2>Joy is gone, vibes is gone, It's back to you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the female version of dark Brandon.

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<v Speaker 1>He's the worst of all time.

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<v Speaker 2>And Trump, who literally is facing presidency or jail, seems

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<v Speaker 2>to have a wider smile than Whyaquin Phoenix did in

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<v Speaker 2>either of the Joker movies.

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<v Speaker 6>And I heard you what you were saying before about

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<v Speaker 6>people criticizing Trump for having a stunt at McDonald's. Of

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<v Speaker 6>course it was a stunt. You think that they'd send

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<v Speaker 6>a gayan who's had two assassination attempts to odd normal

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<v Speaker 6>McDonald's to work the drive? What are we talking about?

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<v Speaker 6>But no, I think there is just kind of this

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<v Speaker 6>trauma from twenty sixteen, and I think there is a

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<v Speaker 6>sense of people thinking, geez, there's no way Trump's got this.

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<v Speaker 6>But I'm going to get too excited now because what

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<v Speaker 6>if we're wrong, because that was really traumatic last time.

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<v Speaker 6>But there is just a total sense that Kamala Harris

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<v Speaker 6>is going on the attack. This is no more just

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<v Speaker 6>the campaign of joy, and that Donald Trump is looking

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<v Speaker 6>very relaxed and kind of tired a little board of

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<v Speaker 6>the campaign in some events. I mean when he had

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<v Speaker 6>that town hall and listened to music for half an hour,

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<v Speaker 6>I think that was just kind of like, I've been

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<v Speaker 6>doing this forever. I've got this, and he has been

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<v Speaker 6>doing it so much longer than Kamala Harris. She only

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<v Speaker 6>came in a couple of months ago to this campaign.

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<v Speaker 6>So I think that's all playing into just the kind

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<v Speaker 6>of optics of the last few weeks.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, as I just said, right like, if you're a

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<v Speaker 2>betting person, one person the future is presidency or prison,

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<v Speaker 2>they look, you know, they.

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<v Speaker 1>Look more no drama Obama than Obama.

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<v Speaker 2>Remember Obama's running around telling black men, you know, you

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<v Speaker 2>must vote all the rest and a least let's do

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<v Speaker 2>it longer next week than obviously in person when we

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<v Speaker 2>are in the United States, all the best Mane and

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<v Speaker 2>Liss Nielsen there.

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<v Speaker 1>In the United States. Cheese rock and roll.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, We will see you again tomorrow night for

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<v Speaker 2>another edition to Paul Murray Live Tunna