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Speaker 1: Approache Production.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Secrets of the Underworld. I am Neil the

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Speaker 2: Muscle Comments and in.

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Speaker 3: This episode I speak with Forte, a West Sydney rapper

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Speaker 3: turned stand up comic.

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Speaker 4: It wasn't cool to be from Blackdown or anything, so

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Speaker 4: I wanted to rap where I'm from. I'm from fucking

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Speaker 4: North Sydney. I'm from fucking Blackdown, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 4: I've never been a fan of paying for things, but

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Speaker 4: I'm always good at that away that. Let's just say

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Speaker 4: I'm a better hustler than I am a rapper, because

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Speaker 4: I couldn't have made it this far about the house.

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Speaker 4: If you're not online, you're dead. You got to be

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Speaker 4: prepared to live broke and be an opportunist and take

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Speaker 4: risks in various areas.

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Speaker 2: We day. Thank you for coming back on. I appreciate

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Speaker 2: your time. Coming back on Secrets of the Underworld. Not

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Speaker 2: a problem. The first one we did was fucking hectic. Yep,

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Speaker 2: went well, But you've been fucking starting a lot of

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Speaker 2: shit and cause a lot of grief.

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Speaker 4: So on your back on my podcast, I feel like

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Speaker 4: rejuvenated and got a lot more to talk about now.

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Speaker 5: But well, what we'll do is well we will recap

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Speaker 5: where we left off and all like that about you

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Speaker 5: growing up in Blacktown yep, and how you got to

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Speaker 5: where you were, and the ins and outs of the

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Speaker 5: industry and all like that, and then we'll get into

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Speaker 5: your new adventure, which is now Stand Up Committee.

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Speaker 4: Sure well, I was born in Westmead Hospital. Can't get

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Speaker 4: any more west sid than that, and from there I'd

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Speaker 4: always fluctuate between Blacktown and Mount Druid and all those places.

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Speaker 4: City of Blacktown is a wide variety of suburbs I've

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Speaker 4: lived in probably you know one third of them. At

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Speaker 4: one point in my life. I lived in Housing Commission

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Speaker 4: as a young child. My dad was never there. I

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Speaker 4: was raised by a single mom. He never paid child

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Speaker 4: support and never met him. My mom moved to Housing

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Speaker 4: Commission not knowing what Housing Commission was, just thinking it's

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Speaker 4: that she wanted us to live. She worked her ass

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Speaker 4: off and with in a number of years, got us

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Speaker 4: out of there. By then, I'd already made enough ties

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Speaker 4: and new and seen enough to and we only moved

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Speaker 4: two streets away. So it was like, I guess that's

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Speaker 4: where I learned the most about school of you schooling schooling.

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Speaker 4: I'll tell you what I finished school. I was very

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Speaker 4: good at truancy and not getting caught. I spent a

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Speaker 4: lot of time playing PlayStation, smoking weed, and listening to

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Speaker 4: rap music. A lot of the rappers that I was

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Speaker 4: listening to I ended up collabing with, meeting or working

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Speaker 4: with in some way. And I made it to year twelve.

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Speaker 4: I decided it was two weeks left to school. I decided, fuck,

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Speaker 4: there's two weeks left. I better study. I actually studied.

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Speaker 4: I hadn't studied at all. I studied, and then I

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Speaker 4: got like I think I got like seventy percent overall

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Speaker 4: in my HFC with two weeks study. And the only

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Speaker 4: thing that fucked me up there was like a three

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Speaker 4: or four because I quit weed just before then, just

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Speaker 4: to give you extra boost, and I think there was

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Speaker 4: I was like, fuck it, I started smoking weed, and

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Speaker 4: otherwise maybe I would have hit eighties.

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Speaker 2: Maybe maybe.

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Speaker 4: So like I'm not Look, I'm the smartest dumb hunt

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Speaker 4: out and I'm saying the smartest dumb come out there.

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Speaker 4: Look I'm smart when I want to be and dumb

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Speaker 4: when I need.

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Speaker 2: But when when did you know that you wanted to

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Speaker 3: Like you know what I mean, which which path? Well,

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Speaker 3: we'll go down there, you know, into hip hop and

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Speaker 3: all the wrapping kind of stuff. When did you know

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Speaker 3: that that was what you wanted to do.

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Speaker 4: I didn't know because it wasn't an occupation at that time.

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Speaker 4: Actually the reason I started rapping was because all my

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Speaker 4: mates were getting kicked out of school and this that,

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Speaker 4: that like the teacher has had it in like it

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Speaker 4: was just a matter of time before they were going

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Speaker 4: to kick me out. And then, like I'll be honest

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Speaker 4: with you, I've seen this girl all the time, and

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Speaker 2: So I was like, said, funk, I'm going to go

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Speaker 4: She didn't end up going to the other school, so

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Speaker 4: who cares, but I'll probably save my life. I was

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Speaker 4: had it. Used to have to catch two buses and

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Speaker 4: I used to listen to a lot of rap, and

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Speaker 4: I just like I'm not like a social person that

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Speaker 4: makes friends easily. And the school I went to seemed

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Speaker 4: to be a bit less of people from my background,

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Speaker 4: which found I found it harder to get along with

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Speaker 4: you know what I mean? Like, so I ended up

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Speaker 4: writing rhymes because I was bored, and that's where I

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Speaker 2: Was that unusual for a kid at that age to

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Speaker 2: do something like that? No one wrote raps? What would

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Speaker 2: you do to you? To your mates when you rate

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Speaker 2: these little fucking raps or you write these little poems?

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Speaker 2: What were they saying to you?

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Speaker 4: No one was saying anything, but one guy said to me, right,

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Speaker 4: so we don't off your head. I did my best

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Speaker 4: sh when I was sober. Really yeah, yeah, Like pot

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Speaker 4: never helped me. So the amount of pot I've smoked

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Speaker 4: and still having more songs than any Australian rap artist,

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Speaker 4: I would have doubled that if I never smoked pot

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Speaker 4: and never I won't talk about it, but like it never,

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Speaker 4: it slows you down, it limits your vocabulary.

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Speaker 2: Never helped me. So really wasn't a stimulant.

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Speaker 4: So like you know, some rappers like they need it

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Speaker 4: to create it. No, me, like I do my best

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Speaker 4: shit sober one hundred percent. So I'll still get a

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Speaker 4: but it slows me down, to be honest, did you

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Speaker 4: ever get into any trouble or gangs?

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Speaker 2: There wasn't even really gangs because being from the West

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Speaker 2: and you're seeing it from I was hanging around nationalities.

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Speaker 2: I wasn't hanging around gangs. So not just like post war. Look,

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Speaker 4: Today in charge of murder, large scale drug manufacture, everything

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Speaker 4: and anything in between that. But we were never again,

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Speaker 4: we were just just friends, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 4: like with like mine attendencies though I'm not planning on

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Speaker 2: So who's the biggest influence in your life growing up there?

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Speaker 4: Easy Easy? I used to listen to him and he

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Speaker 4: was funny. I don't know something about wrap him and

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Speaker 4: ice Cube, but Easy more because once I got older,

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Speaker 4: I looked into his story. Really he was a His

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Speaker 4: cousin went to jail and left him a few kilas

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Speaker 4: and he flipped it and turned it into a record label.

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Speaker 2: And then he started Dr.

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Speaker 4: Dre And when Doctor Drehard's snoop and he didn't you know,

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Speaker 4: he made millions and millions and millions, So not just

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Speaker 4: him as an artist, because he wasn't really writing his

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Speaker 2: Ice Cube and all that were writing his rhymes.

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Speaker 4: But once I loved his music, but once I heard

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Speaker 4: his backstory, I found that fascinating.

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Speaker 6: So in two thousand and four, you were MC Champion.

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Speaker 6: Eventually every week it says, I want to off Google's race.

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Speaker 6: Here every week for six months at the Green.

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Speaker 4: It wasn't six months like I definitely won the first

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Speaker 4: thousand and four, two thousand and five, I made the

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Speaker 4: semi finals for every major rap battle because rap battles

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Speaker 4: could get on stage if you were a rapper back

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Speaker 4: then or aspiring rapper, was open mics or battles. Now,

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Speaker 4: I wasn't setting out to be a battler, but that

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Speaker 4: was my way to get on stage. So I'd get on.

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Speaker 4: You wouldn't know who you'd battle. It was all off

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Speaker 4: over it and I was more into doing studio albums.

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Speaker 4: So in a way, that's where curs I blew up

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Speaker 4: because he entered the like that scene, and that gave

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Speaker 4: and having his image, because media wasn't covering I was

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Speaker 4: hip hop back then, so it was like YouTube. And

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Speaker 4: to this day, his battle against three sixty is the

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Speaker 4: biggest battle ever in Australia. And then sort of maybe

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Speaker 2: For does that ever go on anymore? All these battles count?

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Speaker 2: It just stopped.

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Speaker 4: Now it's just ed in America, it's big, and it's

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Speaker 4: like because they have these whole scene, it's just determinum

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Speaker 4: battle wraps. But they've got big prize money. So if

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Speaker 4: up fifty grand, I'll go, I'll get back. I'll get

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Speaker 4: back the battling, you know what I mean, even if

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Speaker 4: I lose, I'll win. In the car park with your I.

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Speaker 2: Looked into some of your interviews that you've done in

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Speaker 2: the past. Yeah, and you had.

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Speaker 6: You had two mixtapes that you had came out Volume one,

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Speaker 6: Volume two, the twenty one forty eight yep, what's the

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Speaker 6: twenty one forty.

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Speaker 4: Eight two one four eight's town post code? So at

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Speaker 4: the time, all the events were in the city and

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Speaker 4: people would look down and they were like the people

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Speaker 4: were running it with like city involved. They'd sway towards

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Speaker 4: the city. MC's given them preference. It wasn't cool to

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Speaker 4: be from Blacktown or anything. So I wanted to rap

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Speaker 4: where I'm from, you know. I wanted them to know

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Speaker 4: I'm from fucking North Sydney. I'm from fucking Blacktown, you

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Speaker 4: know what I mean. And this was before these days

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Speaker 4: it's cool to come from West Sydney and like probably

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Speaker 4: maybe even around that time or a couple of years

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Speaker 4: before that, you were labeled a westy yep, and West's

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Speaker 4: is you know all about them, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 4: And that's a completely different thing altogether. But yeah, if

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Speaker 4: you were from the West, they'd call you West. But

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Speaker 4: if it goes back to the eighties or Westies.

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Speaker 2: So why is that why you made your album called

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Speaker 2: West Sydney Story, West sid Story.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, because I just wanted to stamp it like I

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Speaker 4: just I wouldn't have wrapped if someone from West Sydney

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Speaker 4: before me had painted the picture of what was really

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Speaker 4: going on, because there was you look at any songs

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Speaker 4: around that time, I was like hanging around.

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Speaker 2: Look at the people that I told.

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Speaker 4: You I was hanging around and where they ended up,

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Speaker 4: So imagine what they were doing when they were younger.

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Speaker 4: I wasn't hearing songs about these themes. I was hearing

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Speaker 4: I'm surprised that the Polynesians and the Arabs aren't bigger

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Speaker 4: in rap because they were.

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Speaker 2: The ones that I was seeing dawn, Like you know

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Speaker 4: Like it's only just been in the last seven years

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Speaker 2: Like so, I don't think they ever thought that.

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Speaker 6: They could do that kind of stuff. No, what Lebanese

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Speaker 4: Sleep their league. I'll tell you why. Right, American rap

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Speaker 2: Rapper, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 4: These guns go do crime so they can make a

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Speaker 2: They walk and they do.

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Speaker 6: You know, why do you think most of the popular

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Speaker 2: It's because you reckon.

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Speaker 4: It's because from the start I've I've painted a picture.

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Speaker 4: Maybe it was so far fetched to some that it

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Speaker 4: because they're gang members, you got raptor on them, which

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Speaker 4: what's you know what I mean, Like gangster rap, that's

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Speaker 4: But there was no authentic gangster app in Australia, and

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Speaker 4: even to today, I still say it's underdeveloped. What I

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Speaker 4: you should have known someone's a gangster, you know what

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Speaker 4: I mean? You know what I mean? But I'll say

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Speaker 4: But I guess if you're in a gang, let me

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Speaker 2: Gangstuf O second, then our second.

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Speaker 6: Then let's talk about your first air live of performance

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Speaker 2: Yep, how did that go? It went really well? Surprisingly, like.

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Speaker 4: Not really because by then I'd done three years of

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Speaker 4: so it gave me confidence. It was called Killing Spree.

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Speaker 4: It was about I was just attacking every rapper that

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Speaker 2: It was pretty raw, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 4: Like when I started off, because I came from the

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Speaker 2: And like just like funny shit.

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Speaker 4: But like that went well, and I continued with that

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Speaker 2: What makes you change it? What makes you change life? Yeah? Life?

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Speaker 4: And look, I started as a battle rapper, so I

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Speaker 2: It's in my back pocket.

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Speaker 4: Why would I make these songs when I've got all

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Speaker 4: or hit my heart because I just know it's like

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Speaker 4: you feel it when it's real.

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Speaker 2: I don't know about you, but when you hear a

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Speaker 6: If I had a song and it has a meaning

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Speaker 4: Times stronger than some fucking made up bullshit. And I

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Speaker 2: Seriously, do you reckon that that live show was your breakthrough?

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Speaker 2: You reckon that? You think you know it was broken through?

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Speaker 4: It It was just it was just letting cuns know

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Speaker 6: Were you getting on with all the other rappers at

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Speaker 4: You didn't work together. I'd get along with the naughty rappers.

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Speaker 4: Who's a fucking naughty rapper? I know, like that, who

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Speaker 4: in the day, right, all the troublemakers were graffiti riders. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: What about some of the words that you put into

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Speaker 4: Well, I wasn't going at anyone directly that like the

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Speaker 4: So I was just hoping for a response or just

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Speaker 2: I guess isn't. So you've acually told me some of

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Speaker 6: But tell me some of the struggles that you've got

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Speaker 6: all right, and you to get known of who you are.

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Speaker 6: Tell me that some of the biggest struggles you have

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Speaker 4: Well, you can't do anything without finances. You need money.

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Speaker 4: However you get it. It's however you get it, but

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Speaker 4: Hours of recording, hundreds of videos, buying a new outfit

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Speaker 4: you really, and these days that's why these rappers don't

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Speaker 4: and stick to wearing dirty shoes, because going to save

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Speaker 2: I keep wearing that dirty shit because.

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Speaker 4: I told them I've spent probably hundreds of thousands of

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Speaker 4: But you better be very fucking catchy or some of

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Speaker 2: But yeah, how did you do all the editing then?

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Speaker 6: Like when you when you were struggling, how did you

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Speaker 2: How did you do it?

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Speaker 4: I was very persuasive with people that I came across. Look,

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Speaker 2: Look look, I'm a hustler.

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Speaker 4: I'm a hustler for let's just say, I'm a better

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Speaker 4: for shit, I'm joking. I'll open my network to people,

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Speaker 4: there was a guy last Edition, shout out Last Edition Connor.

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Speaker 4: He did a video for me on a blockdown net,

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Speaker 4: I introduced him to chillin It. He became chillin Ut.

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Speaker 4: This guy he did ship for Sticky Fingers. He was

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Speaker 4: You know, you be there in the right place the

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Speaker 2: That's always the last yea.

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Speaker 1: Is it true that your first paycheck was when you

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Speaker 2: Fa Yeah, that was my first legit paycheck and that

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that was for a live audience. So I did

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Speaker 4: I was like, you have to do an audition for him? Yeah,

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Speaker 4: because it was Fat Pizza live. It was actually live TV.

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Speaker 4: So I did the audition and I was like, fuck man,

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Speaker 4: we've got to let you know we've cut Yah, you're

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00:21:19,241 --> 00:21:20,080
Speaker 4: not going to do the thing.

437
00:21:20,561 --> 00:21:21,720
Speaker 2: That taught me a lot.

438
00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:25,801
Speaker 4: That taught me that in this industry, nothing's guaranteed until

439
00:21:25,801 --> 00:21:30,480
Speaker 4: it's done. So from that day, I never until something's completed,

440
00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:32,920
Speaker 4: I don't get excited about it, you know, and that

441
00:21:32,961 --> 00:21:35,920
Speaker 4: should just be in life in general. So on the

442
00:21:36,001 --> 00:21:38,960
Speaker 4: day of the show, hours before they're going to film,

443
00:21:39,041 --> 00:21:41,481
Speaker 4: I get a phone call and they're like, we're having

444
00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:44,561
Speaker 4: dramas come down. We can't guarantee you nothing, but can

445
00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:49,441
Speaker 4: you come down. Went down there, I'm fucking scooping shit out.

446
00:21:49,441 --> 00:21:51,521
Speaker 4: I'm watching all these guns. I'm liking. I go up

447
00:21:51,561 --> 00:21:54,001
Speaker 4: the poorlie. I said, listen, you want it. You see

448
00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:56,160
Speaker 4: these cunts, I'll shoot on these cunts, trust me, like,

449
00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:58,680
Speaker 4: and I'm putting words in everyone.

450
00:21:59,521 --> 00:22:00,360
Speaker 2: They had three other.

451
00:22:00,321 --> 00:22:05,921
Speaker 4: Rappers, right, so the the beat was Gangster's Power Ice Coolio,

452
00:22:06,441 --> 00:22:10,321
Speaker 4: and they wanted to be Anglo's Paradise First of all,

453
00:22:10,481 --> 00:22:12,521
Speaker 4: none of the counts I had their angler, you know

454
00:22:12,561 --> 00:22:14,761
Speaker 4: what I mean. So I had this thing that I

455
00:22:14,761 --> 00:22:16,760
Speaker 4: wrote in my head. I didn't even write it down, Like,

456
00:22:16,801 --> 00:22:19,001
Speaker 4: I just took the words from the song and I

457
00:22:19,120 --> 00:22:23,160
Speaker 4: changed it. And I was getting everyone's ear and I

458
00:22:23,321 --> 00:22:28,121
Speaker 4: just seen it. Yeah, I did in an Aussie accent.

459
00:22:31,521 --> 00:22:35,960
Speaker 4: How's how's the song start? I really found that. But

460
00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:39,080
Speaker 4: I gotta know what time did I shut down the bottler?

461
00:22:39,521 --> 00:22:42,200
Speaker 4: But like, I took the words and I just slipped it.

462
00:22:42,360 --> 00:22:45,161
Speaker 4: And I just like, like, but if I haven't listened

463
00:22:45,201 --> 00:22:46,880
Speaker 4: to it, I'll get it straight away. But like I

464
00:22:46,921 --> 00:22:50,041
Speaker 4: took the exact words and I flipped it into an

465
00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:53,561
Speaker 4: Aussie version, you know, talking about scab and smokes and

466
00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:54,080
Speaker 4: all this ship.

467
00:22:54,201 --> 00:22:55,561
Speaker 2: Like I made a real fucking houser.

468
00:22:56,041 --> 00:22:59,200
Speaker 4: But so next thing they go, I hear them talking

469
00:22:59,561 --> 00:23:01,481
Speaker 4: and then I must have gone in the right person's

470
00:23:01,521 --> 00:23:05,961
Speaker 4: ear and they go, forte report and he goes, We're

471
00:23:05,961 --> 00:23:07,080
Speaker 4: going to give you one chance.

472
00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:08,321
Speaker 2: So they did.

473
00:23:08,360 --> 00:23:11,721
Speaker 4: This was just a rehearsal boom did it? No one

474
00:23:11,721 --> 00:23:14,241
Speaker 4: said shit. I went and sat in the corner. I

475
00:23:14,321 --> 00:23:17,041
Speaker 4: look across. I see him talking to some guy, and

476
00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:20,801
Speaker 4: I just see the guy put his head down. There

477
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:25,201
Speaker 4: was three guys there. They kicked one off, took one

478
00:23:25,241 --> 00:23:26,840
Speaker 4: of the guys and put him at the start of

479
00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:29,601
Speaker 4: the show instead, and then put me and then put

480
00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:32,520
Speaker 4: another guy after me. And it was one take and

481
00:23:32,561 --> 00:23:35,161
Speaker 4: that's it. That's the industry. But you know what I mean,

482
00:23:35,321 --> 00:23:38,480
Speaker 4: like you got you start, you can't sit back and

483
00:23:38,561 --> 00:23:41,680
Speaker 4: just wait for opportunities. And sometimes you just got to

484
00:23:41,761 --> 00:23:44,600
Speaker 4: fuck it. Like I was that hungry. I wasn't going

485
00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:47,440
Speaker 4: all the way down there for nothing. And then you

486
00:23:47,521 --> 00:23:51,400
Speaker 4: know that Dave or the drug drug out come. So

487
00:23:51,561 --> 00:23:53,240
Speaker 4: we ended up giving him a lift home and he

488
00:23:53,281 --> 00:23:56,641
Speaker 4: goes his boys take it real easy. Hey, I've got

489
00:23:56,681 --> 00:23:59,041
Speaker 4: like a fifty pot on me. I said, there's four

490
00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:02,761
Speaker 4: ounces under your seat.

491
00:24:04,481 --> 00:24:06,840
Speaker 2: What did you do? There Snoop Dogg there? You ro

492
00:24:06,961 --> 00:24:09,160
Speaker 2: shoulders with Snoop Dogg. Yeah, a couple of times, A

493
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:11,400
Speaker 2: couple of times. When's the first time you eat your rop? Shoulder?

494
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:14,281
Speaker 4: Was in uh what year was it? It was like

495
00:24:14,321 --> 00:24:17,360
Speaker 4: two thousand and nine. There was Bonedog's in Harmony ice

496
00:24:17,441 --> 00:24:21,400
Speaker 4: Cbe So Snoop I met him a few times, right,

497
00:24:21,761 --> 00:24:25,880
Speaker 4: but it wasn't until he performed at Star City. This

498
00:24:25,961 --> 00:24:28,880
Speaker 4: is another funny story. So I was at Star City

499
00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:32,080
Speaker 4: and I was playing blackjack and I think it was

500
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:34,561
Speaker 4: the first time I ever played blackjack. And then this

501
00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:37,521
Speaker 4: guy is German and he was like and I was

502
00:24:37,561 --> 00:24:40,601
Speaker 4: getting drunk for some reason. They going coll security, right,

503
00:24:41,001 --> 00:24:43,480
Speaker 4: and I'm like, fuck this if I'm getting dragged out

504
00:24:43,521 --> 00:24:46,840
Speaker 4: of what my money's worth. So all the security surrounded

505
00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:50,841
Speaker 4: me and I'm just waiting and they go make get.

506
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:52,241
Speaker 2: Out of here. I said, no, he's want me out

507
00:24:52,281 --> 00:24:53,881
Speaker 2: of here. He's gonna have to fucking drag me out

508
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:54,201
Speaker 2: of here.

509
00:24:54,360 --> 00:24:57,001
Speaker 4: They dragged me out of there, like all the security

510
00:24:57,120 --> 00:25:00,000
Speaker 4: right dragged me down the side steps. As soon as

511
00:25:00,041 --> 00:25:01,600
Speaker 4: I go down down the side of the steps, the

512
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:03,801
Speaker 4: main security guard got on my face and they go.

513
00:25:04,041 --> 00:25:06,281
Speaker 2: Break his fucking really break his fucking wrists.

514
00:25:06,281 --> 00:25:08,641
Speaker 4: And I'm double joiner, so they'll try in their hardest

515
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:10,961
Speaker 4: to fucking break my wrist, and I'm just like, fuck

516
00:25:11,001 --> 00:25:13,881
Speaker 4: your mom's your fucking dumb no, no, no, kicking out right,

517
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:17,281
Speaker 4: got out of one side, ran around the other entrance,

518
00:25:17,360 --> 00:25:19,641
Speaker 4: kicked over a few lounges, and then ran off right.

519
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:25,840
Speaker 4: Funniest thing is a week later Snoops performing at Star City,

520
00:25:27,360 --> 00:25:30,281
Speaker 4: so I go in this secret entrance with them. Yeah,

521
00:25:30,441 --> 00:25:32,720
Speaker 4: that his bodyguards had to go in the first elevator.

522
00:25:32,801 --> 00:25:36,080
Speaker 2: I'm in in the second elevator. This guy's looking at me.

523
00:25:36,241 --> 00:25:39,521
Speaker 4: I'm looking at this guy and talk about twenty seconds

524
00:25:40,360 --> 00:25:41,961
Speaker 4: and then we got to the top and he goes,

525
00:25:42,281 --> 00:25:43,561
Speaker 4: no kicking lounges tonight.

526
00:25:45,120 --> 00:25:48,640
Speaker 2: How I go, best behavior, I promise. I'm surprised you

527
00:25:48,681 --> 00:25:50,961
Speaker 2: went bad. What do you mean I didn't get bard

528
00:25:50,961 --> 00:25:52,161
Speaker 2: from there because of what you did?

529
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:54,761
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think that. I think they're in such

530
00:25:54,761 --> 00:25:57,041
Speaker 4: a rash just I don't know, Like I don't know.

531
00:25:57,201 --> 00:25:58,241
Speaker 4: This was back in the day.

532
00:25:58,400 --> 00:25:58,841
Speaker 2: I don't know.

533
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:01,400
Speaker 4: I'm still not banned from casinos. I've got a history

534
00:26:01,441 --> 00:26:03,921
Speaker 4: of being kicked out at casinos and never been banned.

535
00:26:03,961 --> 00:26:06,160
Speaker 4: Like they must like my money.

536
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:12,761
Speaker 2: In twenty ten, you released Sportifoe. Tell me about that one,

537
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:13,201
Speaker 2: all right.

538
00:26:13,241 --> 00:26:16,001
Speaker 4: So a lot of those songs were my early first

539
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:18,481
Speaker 4: original songs. Some of those songs were as old as

540
00:26:18,481 --> 00:26:21,080
Speaker 4: two thousand and six, it's or maybe even older, so

541
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:22,801
Speaker 4: you can say that's twenty years old. Some of that

542
00:26:23,721 --> 00:26:28,961
Speaker 4: A label approached to sign me. They paid for everything recorded,

543
00:26:29,001 --> 00:26:31,880
Speaker 4: everything did, all this shit were paid to press up

544
00:26:31,961 --> 00:26:36,200
Speaker 4: my mixtapes, did all this sponsorship, and then this is

545
00:26:36,241 --> 00:26:41,360
Speaker 4: the lesson, always addressed the business before you do the work,

546
00:26:42,041 --> 00:26:44,321
Speaker 4: because we did all the work. And then they brought

547
00:26:44,360 --> 00:26:48,281
Speaker 4: this contract to me, and being from doing my music

548
00:26:48,321 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 4: tape course, I looked at it and it basically said,

549
00:26:52,801 --> 00:26:55,041
Speaker 4: we own everything you've ever done before you met us,

550
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,120
Speaker 4: after you met us, this, that, and I was just like,

551
00:26:57,521 --> 00:27:00,641
Speaker 4: I remember their faces. I was like, no, no, no,

552
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:04,160
Speaker 4: no not. Their faces started going red. They had the

553
00:27:04,201 --> 00:27:07,041
Speaker 4: hard drive, so I got it mixed, but they took

554
00:27:07,041 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 4: the hard drive.

555
00:27:07,681 --> 00:27:10,120
Speaker 2: But then I got it mastered for Sony ATV.

556
00:27:10,441 --> 00:27:12,961
Speaker 4: One day, I met Rudy Hill at a fucking pie

557
00:27:12,961 --> 00:27:16,041
Speaker 4: shop and one of the guys that was friends with

558
00:27:16,120 --> 00:27:19,201
Speaker 4: the guy that mastered it goes, how's your album going?

559
00:27:19,281 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 4: I said, bro, this was two years later, Like they

560
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:24,561
Speaker 4: held it back two years. This thing might have never

561
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:28,120
Speaker 4: seen the light of day. Twenty three tracks, like, because

562
00:27:28,120 --> 00:27:30,161
Speaker 4: that was as much as a CD could hold. I'd

563
00:27:30,201 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 4: filling it up and I go, bro, these guys took

564
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:35,200
Speaker 4: it and I haven't got it. Do you have number?

565
00:27:35,241 --> 00:27:37,440
Speaker 4: He goes, yeah, sure, I rang him. I go it

566
00:27:37,441 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 4: wouldn't happen. And it happened to still have my album

567
00:27:40,001 --> 00:27:42,161
Speaker 4: on fire? Would this is two years later? He goes, yeah,

568
00:27:42,201 --> 00:27:44,721
Speaker 4: come pick it up? Went down there, picked it up?

569
00:27:45,481 --> 00:27:49,001
Speaker 4: Bomb online? Fucking God's plan.

570
00:27:49,360 --> 00:27:49,801
Speaker 2: Wow.

571
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:54,640
Speaker 4: But like I guess, if it came out earlier, it

572
00:27:54,761 --> 00:27:57,441
Speaker 4: was already ahead of its time. It came out when

573
00:27:57,441 --> 00:27:59,441
Speaker 4: I was meant to come out. It didn't get the.

574
00:27:59,360 --> 00:28:00,801
Speaker 2: Push it should have got it.

575
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:04,081
Speaker 4: But like, if you go back and listen to that

576
00:28:04,360 --> 00:28:07,880
Speaker 4: and you compare any albums from that time, that shit

577
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:09,281
Speaker 4: speaks for itself.

578
00:28:09,801 --> 00:28:11,920
Speaker 2: So but by this time in your life now, are

579
00:28:11,921 --> 00:28:13,361
Speaker 2: you happy with how everything's going?

580
00:28:15,561 --> 00:28:17,521
Speaker 4: It's just gone. I'm just like you're just going on

581
00:28:17,761 --> 00:28:19,880
Speaker 4: on that ride, on that roller coaster ride. I'm just

582
00:28:20,001 --> 00:28:22,160
Speaker 4: I'm just hustling. And when I say hustling, I'm just

583
00:28:22,761 --> 00:28:25,360
Speaker 4: you know, like some days, if I get a twenty

584
00:28:25,441 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 4: year weed and make chicken, I'm happy, you know what

585
00:28:27,921 --> 00:28:28,241
Speaker 4: I mean.

586
00:28:29,001 --> 00:28:30,121
Speaker 2: I wasn't you know what I mean?

587
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 4: I wasn't you know plenty years I was broke plenty years,

588
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,160
Speaker 4: Like you know, I didn't care like I don't like

589
00:28:36,241 --> 00:28:38,041
Speaker 4: some people might get to a point in their life

590
00:28:38,081 --> 00:28:40,081
Speaker 4: and think, oh this by this age, I need to

591
00:28:40,121 --> 00:28:40,361
Speaker 4: do this.

592
00:28:40,481 --> 00:28:43,561
Speaker 2: By this age, I didn't have any standards or anything.

593
00:28:44,601 --> 00:28:47,281
Speaker 4: I guess I had faith, but I didn't think either

594
00:28:47,361 --> 00:28:50,041
Speaker 4: way about it. I was positive and I knew something

595
00:28:50,081 --> 00:28:53,041
Speaker 4: will come eventually. I didn't know how, but I knew

596
00:28:53,041 --> 00:28:53,721
Speaker 4: something was coming.

597
00:28:53,961 --> 00:28:56,641
Speaker 2: Do you think any of the today's rappers and hip

598
00:28:56,641 --> 00:29:00,641
Speaker 2: hop artists locally go through what you've been through nowadays?

599
00:29:00,681 --> 00:29:07,081
Speaker 4: The ones from today, Nah, Nah, they're too emotional, they

600
00:29:07,161 --> 00:29:10,041
Speaker 4: wouldn't survive. Like, do you think everything's on a plan

601
00:29:10,201 --> 00:29:11,881
Speaker 4: for them now? I'll tell you what you You didn't have.

602
00:29:12,241 --> 00:29:14,601
Speaker 4: Social media wasn't that big then. Nah, There was no

603
00:29:14,641 --> 00:29:17,561
Speaker 4: social media. There was no Spotify, there was no YouTube.

604
00:29:17,921 --> 00:29:19,761
Speaker 4: The only way you made money was doing shows. I

605
00:29:19,801 --> 00:29:24,681
Speaker 4: was selling CDs and you need a distribution. So these

606
00:29:24,761 --> 00:29:28,361
Speaker 4: days you probably got more chance of Like I made

607
00:29:28,361 --> 00:29:30,441
Speaker 4: so many mixtapes and I didn't make a dollar off

608
00:29:30,481 --> 00:29:33,961
Speaker 4: these mixtapes, hundreds of songs that I released for free.

609
00:29:34,321 --> 00:29:36,361
Speaker 4: That was my promo. That's what got my name out.

610
00:29:36,401 --> 00:29:39,641
Speaker 4: That was my marketing. Look, it's not that it couldn't

611
00:29:39,681 --> 00:29:43,241
Speaker 4: be done. I just don't think. I think people are

612
00:29:43,281 --> 00:29:48,681
Speaker 4: too materialistic. And these days there's everything's photos, Instagram, this

613
00:29:48,841 --> 00:29:52,041
Speaker 4: that like it's like you have to live up to

614
00:29:52,081 --> 00:29:53,921
Speaker 4: an image. That's how you got to go there. And

615
00:29:53,961 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 4: if you don't, comes hide, you know what I mean. Like,

616
00:29:57,561 --> 00:29:59,681
Speaker 4: so there was no in between. I feel like if

617
00:29:59,681 --> 00:30:02,401
Speaker 4: you don't do that, you miss out. If you're not online,

618
00:30:02,401 --> 00:30:04,601
Speaker 4: you're dead, you know what I mean. So it was like,

619
00:30:05,361 --> 00:30:08,401
Speaker 4: it's a different time for me to say if someone

620
00:30:08,521 --> 00:30:13,401
Speaker 4: did it these days, it's not impossible. But nah, you've

621
00:30:13,441 --> 00:30:19,521
Speaker 4: got to be prepared to live broke and be an opportunist,

622
00:30:20,361 --> 00:30:26,241
Speaker 4: be very positive and take risks in various areas.

623
00:30:27,001 --> 00:30:30,481
Speaker 2: What do you reckon your biggest achievement is so far

624
00:30:30,561 --> 00:30:31,121
Speaker 2: in your life.

625
00:30:32,281 --> 00:30:35,441
Speaker 4: I think the fact that I went on chat GTP

626
00:30:35,561 --> 00:30:39,321
Speaker 4: the other day and asked her who's got my first time?

627
00:30:39,361 --> 00:30:41,201
Speaker 4: I gone on all right, and I went who's got

628
00:30:41,201 --> 00:30:44,801
Speaker 4: the most songs? And it goes illy and all day,

629
00:30:45,201 --> 00:30:47,641
Speaker 4: and then I asked, it isn't it forte at larger?

630
00:30:47,641 --> 00:30:50,801
Speaker 4: And they go, sorry, actually it is forte at large.

631
00:30:51,201 --> 00:30:54,321
Speaker 4: I had to fucking correct the thing. But like when

632
00:30:54,321 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 4: I looked at that, that was that this was just

633
00:30:57,241 --> 00:30:59,681
Speaker 4: two days ago. I put up the post. They got

634
00:30:59,721 --> 00:31:03,881
Speaker 4: sixty two likes. No one gave a fuck. But to me,

635
00:31:04,401 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 4: never look at like bro never look at like, no,

636
00:31:06,401 --> 00:31:10,641
Speaker 4: don't read the comments, but like, but to me, that's

637
00:31:10,721 --> 00:31:13,481
Speaker 4: that's my greatest achievement, Like because like I always looked

638
00:31:13,521 --> 00:31:16,361
Speaker 4: up at two Pac and for me, I do this

639
00:31:16,441 --> 00:31:19,601
Speaker 4: for me. I don't do this for If it comes

640
00:31:19,801 --> 00:31:25,121
Speaker 4: like it, I'm very appreciated of it. But to expect

641
00:31:25,201 --> 00:31:28,801
Speaker 4: them to be a million fourtes in this world, I

642
00:31:28,841 --> 00:31:31,121
Speaker 4: know there's not a million fourtes in this world. So

643
00:31:31,281 --> 00:31:33,601
Speaker 4: I'm not going to have a million fans, So there's

644
00:31:33,641 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 4: no high expectations.

645
00:31:35,801 --> 00:31:38,441
Speaker 2: How do I know. I've been to a.

646
00:31:38,361 --> 00:31:40,841
Speaker 6: Few little gigs that you've seen out there, You've performed that,

647
00:31:40,921 --> 00:31:44,241
Speaker 6: and they're look you bro, Yeah, look, I do have

648
00:31:44,321 --> 00:31:46,401
Speaker 6: a lot of fans. But what I think, You've got

649
00:31:46,441 --> 00:31:48,001
Speaker 6: a lot of respect from a lot of the fucking

650
00:31:48,361 --> 00:31:51,041
Speaker 6: other rappers who've come up for you know, I think.

651
00:31:50,881 --> 00:31:55,041
Speaker 4: I'm more well known than have fans, if that makes sense.

652
00:31:55,481 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 4: A lot of people know my name, it doesn't mean

653
00:31:57,801 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 4: they listen to my music. So but it's like me,

654
00:32:01,081 --> 00:32:02,441
Speaker 4: a lot of people know me, but they don't listen

655
00:32:02,481 --> 00:32:05,641
Speaker 4: to my podcast. Yeah, being popular is one thing, but

656
00:32:05,921 --> 00:32:08,401
Speaker 4: like true fans, you know what I mean? So I know,

657
00:32:08,521 --> 00:32:13,081
Speaker 4: like the music I make is my life experience. Unless

658
00:32:13,161 --> 00:32:16,521
Speaker 4: you've been through that or it intrigues you in some way,

659
00:32:16,761 --> 00:32:19,001
Speaker 4: you probably don't care about it, you know what I mean.

660
00:32:19,041 --> 00:32:21,521
Speaker 4: And that's what I just It makes it like I

661
00:32:21,641 --> 00:32:24,681
Speaker 4: get people on my page like I've never I never

662
00:32:24,761 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 4: got hate until this comedy shit started, right, And I

663
00:32:27,521 --> 00:32:31,641
Speaker 4: get people to go on my page and write paragraphs.

664
00:32:31,361 --> 00:32:34,361
Speaker 7: You're this old and you've done this, and you've failed

665
00:32:34,401 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 7: at this and all this and that, and I just think,

666
00:32:37,601 --> 00:32:39,841
Speaker 7: I don't go on what's the music I don't like,

667
00:32:40,881 --> 00:32:42,761
Speaker 7: I don't know fucking.

668
00:32:45,281 --> 00:32:45,921
Speaker 2: I don't go on.

669
00:32:45,881 --> 00:32:49,521
Speaker 4: Taylor Swift's page and go Taylor your fucking music ship.

670
00:32:49,601 --> 00:32:53,161
Speaker 4: And for someone to go out of their way to

671
00:32:53,441 --> 00:32:57,121
Speaker 4: tell you how shit you are just means they're upset

672
00:32:57,161 --> 00:33:00,561
Speaker 4: with themselves and they're just burning that my name's coming

673
00:33:00,641 --> 00:33:01,801
Speaker 4: up in their circumference.

674
00:33:02,281 --> 00:33:04,801
Speaker 6: But they hope and they'll they'll put you down where

675
00:33:04,801 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 6: you go into a hole, and that's where you've got

676
00:33:07,321 --> 00:33:07,681
Speaker 6: to be strong.

677
00:33:07,881 --> 00:33:11,161
Speaker 4: Ugh. But I've always I've always been motivated by hate,

678
00:33:11,281 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 4: not love, Like I've always been motivated by doubt, you

679
00:33:15,281 --> 00:33:17,601
Speaker 4: know what I mean. Like starting from the two one

680
00:33:17,601 --> 00:33:21,041
Speaker 4: for eight mixtape where coming from the West wasn't a

681
00:33:21,121 --> 00:33:25,801
Speaker 4: popular thing. That's like, I if people put me on

682
00:33:25,841 --> 00:33:28,121
Speaker 4: the back, I get too comfortable. I need you to

683
00:33:28,121 --> 00:33:31,521
Speaker 4: say that last song was shit. Yeah, and I'll come

684
00:33:31,561 --> 00:33:34,401
Speaker 4: back with something harder. I've had it before, I've been

685
00:33:34,521 --> 00:33:36,521
Speaker 4: I've been in my so so you know, when you perform,

686
00:33:36,601 --> 00:33:38,401
Speaker 4: are you happy with the way you perform? I don't

687
00:33:38,441 --> 00:33:39,041
Speaker 4: like performing.

688
00:33:39,321 --> 00:33:42,321
Speaker 2: You don't. I don't like performing. I really don't like performing.

689
00:33:42,361 --> 00:33:44,561
Speaker 4: I don't like standing in front of a crowd and

690
00:33:44,601 --> 00:33:45,841
Speaker 4: having everyone look at me.

691
00:33:46,201 --> 00:33:49,401
Speaker 2: I don't enjoy that. I enjoy making the music and

692
00:33:49,441 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 2: the door and that.

693
00:33:50,121 --> 00:33:52,881
Speaker 4: This is why this stand up thing is like, I'm

694
00:33:52,881 --> 00:33:54,841
Speaker 4: coming to the point where I feel like a rather

695
00:33:55,041 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 4: vlog because I can just be a funny cunt and

696
00:33:57,561 --> 00:33:59,681
Speaker 4: if you want to hate, you'll still watch it, and

697
00:33:59,721 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 4: if you like it, you'll still watch it. Like it

698
00:34:02,001 --> 00:34:07,041
Speaker 4: takes a certain person to crave attention. I've never craved attention.

699
00:34:07,761 --> 00:34:12,601
Speaker 4: I'm an artist. I paint a picture, I let things out.

700
00:34:12,681 --> 00:34:17,561
Speaker 4: It's probably serves me more as therapy indirectly than me

701
00:34:17,881 --> 00:34:22,561
Speaker 4: getting people's approval, because there's not one person in this

702
00:34:22,681 --> 00:34:26,081
Speaker 4: world that I need approval from to be who I am.

703
00:34:26,201 --> 00:34:29,801
Speaker 4: Whether I'm making right or wrong decisions, like it lies

704
00:34:29,841 --> 00:34:31,681
Speaker 4: on me at the end of the day, and God,

705
00:34:31,841 --> 00:34:33,761
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. So that's the only person

706
00:34:33,881 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 4: I worry about, you know what I mean. But these

707
00:34:36,521 --> 00:34:40,441
Speaker 4: people that sometimes that can make superstars because they feed it,

708
00:34:40,481 --> 00:34:43,241
Speaker 4: they need it, they entertain. But be honest, I had to.

709
00:34:43,881 --> 00:34:47,201
Speaker 4: I had to perform to the point where it looked like,

710
00:34:47,681 --> 00:34:48,881
Speaker 4: oh I was enjoying it.

711
00:34:49,361 --> 00:34:51,321
Speaker 2: But it's like learning karate.

712
00:34:51,881 --> 00:34:54,001
Speaker 4: You might not be that good at it, but eventually

713
00:34:54,041 --> 00:34:56,041
Speaker 4: you learn it and it looks like you know what

714
00:34:56,041 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 4: you're doing.

715
00:34:57,041 --> 00:34:59,441
Speaker 2: So that's how that's my view on performing.

716
00:34:59,761 --> 00:35:03,601
Speaker 4: It was up to me, Like I'm the happiest once

717
00:35:03,681 --> 00:35:04,681
Speaker 4: I lay down the song.

718
00:35:05,081 --> 00:35:07,281
Speaker 2: I know I've done my part and that's it, and

719
00:35:07,321 --> 00:35:07,921
Speaker 2: I release it.

720
00:35:08,001 --> 00:35:09,841
Speaker 6: But you don't like it, Like all right, so you

721
00:35:09,841 --> 00:35:11,761
Speaker 6: don't like perform, But don't you like seeing you know,

722
00:35:11,801 --> 00:35:14,721
Speaker 6: people turn up to watch you perform and their expressions

723
00:35:14,721 --> 00:35:16,561
Speaker 6: because they're in you know, they look up to you.

724
00:35:16,681 --> 00:35:18,681
Speaker 2: Like I don't. I don't like it. I appreciate it.

725
00:35:19,201 --> 00:35:22,001
Speaker 4: I appreciate it if someone if I can help someone

726
00:35:22,201 --> 00:35:25,041
Speaker 4: or change their life or give them a positive message,

727
00:35:25,081 --> 00:35:26,001
Speaker 4: I appreciate it.

728
00:35:26,201 --> 00:35:27,481
Speaker 2: Sometimes it touches.

729
00:35:27,241 --> 00:35:30,001
Speaker 4: Me, and I'm like, and it makes me realize I

730
00:35:30,041 --> 00:35:34,201
Speaker 4: don't really like because I never set out for people

731
00:35:34,761 --> 00:35:37,401
Speaker 4: to like it or dislike it. And that's where like

732
00:35:38,001 --> 00:35:40,881
Speaker 4: I see these haters and like sometimes I just want

733
00:35:40,921 --> 00:35:42,881
Speaker 4: to blow them up. But I'm just like, my fans

734
00:35:42,961 --> 00:35:46,601
Speaker 4: actually deserve more of my attention than haters do, and

735
00:35:46,761 --> 00:35:49,801
Speaker 4: I wish i'd give my fans more attention. And there's

736
00:35:49,841 --> 00:35:52,601
Speaker 4: certain people that are just like they'd be like, you've

737
00:35:52,681 --> 00:35:55,001
Speaker 4: changed my life and you've done that, and like I'm

738
00:35:55,041 --> 00:35:59,481
Speaker 4: thankful for that. I never set out I don't even

739
00:35:59,561 --> 00:36:00,441
Speaker 4: know what I was trying to do.

740
00:36:01,921 --> 00:36:04,241
Speaker 6: If you could perform with anybody, who would be if

741
00:36:04,281 --> 00:36:06,521
Speaker 6: you could have that chance and you wanted to be to.

742
00:36:06,761 --> 00:36:09,601
Speaker 4: Be honest, my favorite person to perform with his cursor.

743
00:36:10,441 --> 00:36:12,281
Speaker 4: He's done more collabs with me than he has with

744
00:36:12,361 --> 00:36:14,761
Speaker 4: any other artists. He doesn't collab with many other artists.

745
00:36:14,761 --> 00:36:18,641
Speaker 4: We've probably got twenty plus collabs. We've been on tour together.

746
00:36:19,561 --> 00:36:23,761
Speaker 4: Our audiences are so like almost identical, Like he has

747
00:36:23,761 --> 00:36:27,681
Speaker 4: a bigger fan base, but like my audience is blended

748
00:36:27,681 --> 00:36:29,681
Speaker 4: in with his audience more well behaved.

749
00:36:30,881 --> 00:36:31,401
Speaker 2: These days.

750
00:36:31,441 --> 00:36:35,841
Speaker 4: Yeah, they see the tables turned right, they used to

751
00:36:35,881 --> 00:36:38,161
Speaker 4: run a mak on tour. There was times when I

752
00:36:38,281 --> 00:36:41,921
Speaker 4: was sober reading books and they'd be like, but these days,

753
00:36:41,921 --> 00:36:44,921
Speaker 4: I'm look, you take that old bud.

754
00:36:45,161 --> 00:36:49,561
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, and I know you will be read filling

755
00:36:49,601 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 2: a bit in prime.

756
00:36:51,241 --> 00:36:58,161
Speaker 4: He's definitely more well behaved than me today.

757
00:36:56,881 --> 00:36:59,561
Speaker 2: Because I look at you know who you perform with

758
00:36:59,601 --> 00:37:03,201
Speaker 2: and you opened up the game? Yeah, how was that?

759
00:37:03,081 --> 00:37:04,161
Speaker 2: That was a demential theater?

760
00:37:04,521 --> 00:37:07,401
Speaker 4: Yeah, like things like that are great, but no one's

761
00:37:07,441 --> 00:37:11,241
Speaker 4: there to see you. But like I've done, I performed

762
00:37:11,561 --> 00:37:13,601
Speaker 4: for ice Cube in front of five thousand people.

763
00:37:13,921 --> 00:37:16,041
Speaker 2: No one's there to see you. They win't VI ice Cube.

764
00:37:16,281 --> 00:37:19,561
Speaker 4: But the good thing about those shows is you learn

765
00:37:19,801 --> 00:37:23,281
Speaker 4: how to work over a crowd, or attempt to anyway,

766
00:37:23,601 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 4: because that is.

767
00:37:24,401 --> 00:37:25,441
Speaker 2: A tough skill to have.

768
00:37:25,761 --> 00:37:27,961
Speaker 4: If you can walk into a building and no one

769
00:37:28,001 --> 00:37:30,441
Speaker 4: knows who you are and you leave with one hundred fans,

770
00:37:30,561 --> 00:37:33,481
Speaker 4: yeah you're doing all right and a real good performer.

771
00:37:34,081 --> 00:37:36,761
Speaker 4: There's been rappers that I've never heard of before, and

772
00:37:36,961 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 4: after they've set, I've been like, Wow, that guy's good.

773
00:37:40,881 --> 00:37:45,281
Speaker 4: So even though they're great accomplishments, they're the hardest geeks

774
00:37:45,321 --> 00:37:46,001
Speaker 4: to do.

775
00:37:46,001 --> 00:37:47,401
Speaker 2: Do you think that no one comes to see you.

776
00:37:48,441 --> 00:37:51,961
Speaker 4: Oh, like when there's five thousand people could buy, sure

777
00:37:52,001 --> 00:37:54,601
Speaker 4: you must think that they're like I know they're all

778
00:37:54,601 --> 00:37:58,081
Speaker 4: going to see games than people in the crowd and

779
00:37:58,121 --> 00:37:59,721
Speaker 4: fifty of my forte fans.

780
00:38:00,561 --> 00:38:02,161
Speaker 2: You can't hear those fifty.

781
00:38:02,561 --> 00:38:05,401
Speaker 4: But I have done shows where like the front two rows,

782
00:38:06,121 --> 00:38:08,961
Speaker 4: we'll just be going off and obviously like, yeah.

783
00:38:09,281 --> 00:38:11,161
Speaker 2: Thing it's on the show where no one's got off.

784
00:38:11,721 --> 00:38:12,201
Speaker 2: Surely not.

785
00:38:13,201 --> 00:38:16,841
Speaker 4: There's there's some look if they don't go off, I'll

786
00:38:16,881 --> 00:38:21,001
Speaker 4: do something outrageous too, like like there's tricks.

787
00:38:21,201 --> 00:38:23,601
Speaker 2: Yeah you know what I mean. Who wants a free

788
00:38:23,681 --> 00:38:24,121
Speaker 2: T shirt?

789
00:38:24,321 --> 00:38:24,521
Speaker 4: Yeah?

790
00:38:26,001 --> 00:38:28,321
Speaker 2: That always works. Tell me, tell me I got some

791
00:38:28,321 --> 00:38:29,041
Speaker 2: free ship from them.

792
00:38:30,761 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 6: This is this is what I wanted to talk about

793
00:38:32,521 --> 00:38:34,361
Speaker 6: to before we get into your obvious year.

794
00:38:34,441 --> 00:38:38,321
Speaker 2: Yeah, you named an album Fuck every cunty.

795
00:38:38,921 --> 00:38:43,081
Speaker 6: Where'd you get the fucking names from?

796
00:38:44,201 --> 00:38:46,801
Speaker 2: I just thought that was the first.

797
00:38:47,081 --> 00:38:49,961
Speaker 4: Like when I think of album names and I think,

798
00:38:50,321 --> 00:38:52,281
Speaker 4: what's the most outrageous thing I can say?

799
00:38:52,801 --> 00:38:56,001
Speaker 2: Fuck everyone? All right, let's talk about stand up. I

800
00:38:56,001 --> 00:38:58,561
Speaker 2: want to I want to get into this. Yeah, what

801
00:38:58,641 --> 00:39:01,121
Speaker 2: made you want to be a stand up? Okay?

802
00:39:01,241 --> 00:39:03,761
Speaker 4: So like you know how like you've got a list

803
00:39:03,761 --> 00:39:05,561
Speaker 4: of things in your head, like I could do this,

804
00:39:05,641 --> 00:39:08,641
Speaker 4: I could do that. Maybe maybe maybe it's a professional

805
00:39:09,401 --> 00:39:12,321
Speaker 4: Maybe it's a professional boxer, maybe it's an athlete. Maybe

806
00:39:12,361 --> 00:39:15,561
Speaker 4: it's this, Maybe it's that. I just over the years,

807
00:39:15,801 --> 00:39:18,321
Speaker 4: maybe like ten years ago, like oh, you know, I

808
00:39:18,321 --> 00:39:21,041
Speaker 4: wrote down something, just just one little thing, and then

809
00:39:21,441 --> 00:39:23,001
Speaker 4: you know, little things have come to me and I

810
00:39:23,201 --> 00:39:26,041
Speaker 4: never really thought nothing of it. And I thought, fuck it.

811
00:39:26,241 --> 00:39:28,361
Speaker 4: If you're on a door, fucking door. This is like

812
00:39:28,401 --> 00:39:31,161
Speaker 4: twenty eleven. It first came to me. So then I

813
00:39:31,161 --> 00:39:33,921
Speaker 4: did a podcast with take Flight and then I thought

814
00:39:33,961 --> 00:39:36,001
Speaker 4: fuck it, and he goes, what's coming up? I said,

815
00:39:36,121 --> 00:39:37,841
Speaker 4: you know what, I might give a stand up comedy

816
00:39:37,841 --> 00:39:39,681
Speaker 4: ago and I set it on purpose so that way

817
00:39:39,721 --> 00:39:42,561
Speaker 4: I would force to do it. I did eight minutes

818
00:39:43,041 --> 00:39:46,601
Speaker 4: open mic. There's a bit of a story in between

819
00:39:46,601 --> 00:39:49,281
Speaker 4: that I'm blacklisted from the Brisbane comedy circuit, and that

820
00:39:49,401 --> 00:39:58,041
Speaker 4: was before I jumped on stage. Long story, apparently I'm

821
00:39:58,081 --> 00:40:01,121
Speaker 4: just blacklisted from the whole The whole circuit blacklisted me.

822
00:40:01,441 --> 00:40:04,001
Speaker 4: Then I had other comedians tell me you can't just

823
00:40:04,081 --> 00:40:06,521
Speaker 4: go and do a show. You have to do hours

824
00:40:06,561 --> 00:40:10,121
Speaker 4: and hours and hours, and this I said, listen, I can.

825
00:40:10,721 --> 00:40:13,801
Speaker 4: It's either going to go real well or if it

826
00:40:13,841 --> 00:40:15,801
Speaker 4: goes bad, I'm going to learn something from it. So

827
00:40:15,841 --> 00:40:19,321
Speaker 4: either way it's a positive. So my first show called

828
00:40:19,361 --> 00:40:24,321
Speaker 4: eighty two people, this in Brisbane. Yeah, yeah, for eighty

829
00:40:24,441 --> 00:40:25,121
Speaker 4: cursor Rochta.

830
00:40:25,601 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 2: Yeah. I made four grand from eighty two people. Yeah.

831
00:40:28,521 --> 00:40:30,841
Speaker 4: And you know how everyone's like, who's reading off his phone?

832
00:40:30,881 --> 00:40:34,081
Speaker 4: He was reading off I was practicing. It was my

833
00:40:34,121 --> 00:40:37,281
Speaker 4: second time on stage. I got paid to practice, and

834
00:40:37,321 --> 00:40:40,121
Speaker 4: I've only done like maybe seven shows up to this date,

835
00:40:40,561 --> 00:40:43,081
Speaker 4: and that's it. There was no like, I'm going to

836
00:40:43,161 --> 00:40:46,161
Speaker 4: practice and do this. I did eight minutes on open

837
00:40:46,241 --> 00:40:49,441
Speaker 4: mic and went straight into dawn the main acts.

838
00:40:49,521 --> 00:40:49,721
Speaker 2: Yeah.

839
00:40:49,841 --> 00:40:51,801
Speaker 4: So all these guys he's reading off his phone. He's

840
00:40:51,841 --> 00:40:54,761
Speaker 4: reading off his phone. It's forty five minutes of fucking material.

841
00:40:54,801 --> 00:40:57,881
Speaker 4: I don't give a fuck. You find another comedian that

842
00:40:58,041 --> 00:41:01,961
Speaker 4: got paid four grand for his fucking second show, And

843
00:41:02,001 --> 00:41:04,161
Speaker 4: I think the least I've made of any of these

844
00:41:04,161 --> 00:41:05,121
Speaker 4: shows is like two.

845
00:41:05,561 --> 00:41:06,601
Speaker 2: It's all practice.

846
00:41:07,161 --> 00:41:09,521
Speaker 4: If that's the worst thing they can say he's reading

847
00:41:09,521 --> 00:41:12,001
Speaker 4: off his phone. Once you've got the numbers, you can

848
00:41:12,041 --> 00:41:13,961
Speaker 4: say whatever you want. They're trying to clip my wings

849
00:41:14,001 --> 00:41:16,601
Speaker 4: before I take off. The thing is, I don't give

850
00:41:16,601 --> 00:41:20,481
Speaker 4: a fuck. Just like rap, I didn't do comedy to

851
00:41:20,561 --> 00:41:23,521
Speaker 4: fill out arenas. I do it for my own entertainment.

852
00:41:23,761 --> 00:41:27,561
Speaker 4: And I'm having a ball. I find this shit hilarious.

853
00:41:28,241 --> 00:41:30,281
Speaker 4: This is so like I made.

854
00:41:30,521 --> 00:41:32,841
Speaker 2: Did you behave yourself doing the next gig? No, I

855
00:41:32,881 --> 00:41:36,081
Speaker 2: did it again. Now I know what button in the

856
00:41:36,121 --> 00:41:38,841
Speaker 2: press because you know what, they really don't have a point.

857
00:41:39,201 --> 00:41:41,521
Speaker 1: It's a stand up So a lot of stand up

858
00:41:41,561 --> 00:41:45,201
Speaker 1: comedians in this day and age take take things that

859
00:41:45,281 --> 00:41:48,681
Speaker 1: happen in the media, take things that happen, even tragedies.

860
00:41:48,721 --> 00:41:50,841
Speaker 1: They take it out. That's right, and they fucking make

861
00:41:50,881 --> 00:41:53,121
Speaker 1: fun of them just and they get.

862
00:41:53,001 --> 00:41:53,481
Speaker 2: Away with it.

863
00:41:53,721 --> 00:41:56,161
Speaker 4: If you can talk about death, then what's off limits.

864
00:41:56,641 --> 00:42:00,561
Speaker 4: People joke about Canton like it's seriously bullshit. It's comedy, mate.

865
00:42:00,801 --> 00:42:03,201
Speaker 4: I grew up on Rodney Rude. Are you familiar with

866
00:42:03,281 --> 00:42:04,041
Speaker 4: Rodney Rude?

867
00:42:04,321 --> 00:42:04,641
Speaker 2: Mate?

868
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Speaker 4: And just look if you's If you need some fucking ammo,

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00:42:12,121 --> 00:42:15,321
Speaker 4: go back and listen to my first ten mixtapes, my

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Speaker 4: other eighteen albums. I actually wrote down some song titles

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Speaker 4: if you if you want me to read them out,

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Speaker 4: But well, we be here forever.

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Speaker 2: But there's a.

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00:42:24,441 --> 00:42:27,121
Speaker 4: Lot more worst ship going on, Like why don't why

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Speaker 4: don't I get this controversy from my music? I'm going

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Speaker 4: it's a comedy show. No, I'm not a fucking hate

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Speaker 4: I'm not an activist. This is not hate speech. It's

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Speaker 4: what I find funny. If you don't like it, fuck off.

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Speaker 2: But does.

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Speaker 4: Look I believe you're not a real comedian until they

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Speaker 4: try to cancel you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but.

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Speaker 5: It's not.

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Speaker 2: But they can't cancel me. You know.

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00:43:04,321 --> 00:43:07,001
Speaker 4: You know who they can cancel people that have bosses.

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00:43:07,641 --> 00:43:10,881
Speaker 4: I've got my own boss. They referred some guy that

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Speaker 4: was like a radio jock and he made a comment

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Speaker 4: and they canceled him.

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Speaker 2: He lost his job.

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Speaker 4: They try to cancel me. I've done three, four or

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Speaker 4: five more gigs since I'll do as many gigs as

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Speaker 4: I want. You know who? The only ones that can

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Speaker 4: only I can cancel me, and God can cancel me.