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Speaker 1: Apogie Production. Welcome to the She Rises Podcast. I'm Ashi

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Speaker 1: and I'm Tiana. This podcast is.

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Speaker 2: About female empowerment and encouraging you to be your biggest, boldest,

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Speaker 2: and most authentic version of yourself.

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Speaker 1: We help you shed the shame, grow to new level.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna laugh and cry and talk about the topics

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Speaker 1: everyone else is too afraid to talk about.

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Speaker 3: Get ready for your next level of self.

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Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome back to she Rises. It's Ashy

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Speaker 1: and Tiana and we're so excited to be here. Today's

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Speaker 1: topic is a little bit heavier and edgier for you

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Speaker 1: to talk about. But before we get into it, we'll

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Speaker 1: do our shares of the week. Mine is language shifts.

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Speaker 1: I think language shifts are so powerful. So this just

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Speaker 1: gives a little few examples of things that we tend

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Speaker 1: to say and they come from a good place, but

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Speaker 1: things we can say that are just nicer. So instead

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Speaker 1: of saying I know what it feels like, let's say

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Speaker 1: I can't imagine your heartbreak. Instead of saying you're strong,

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Speaker 1: you'll get through this, let's say you'll hurt and I'll

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Speaker 1: be here. Instead of saying you look like you're doing

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Speaker 1: really well, let's say, how are you holding up today?

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Speaker 1: Instead of saying healing takes time, let's say healing has

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Speaker 1: no timeline. And instead of saying everything happens for a reason,

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Speaker 1: let's start saying this must feel so terribly senseless right now.

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Speaker 1: I just think, yeah, sometimes we say things and they

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Speaker 1: come from a good place, but it almost blocks people

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Speaker 1: from having a full expression of how they're feeling. And

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Speaker 1: sometimes when people are grieving or they're going through something

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Speaker 1: really hard, they need someone to just say how are

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Speaker 1: you and like have a cry or say I'm really

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Speaker 1: not coping or life's really hard right now. But when

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Speaker 1: you say, oh, you'll be right, or everything happens for

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Speaker 1: a reason, it just kind of like it doesn't give

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Speaker 1: them permission to do it, and it doesn't create a

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Speaker 1: safe landing spot for them to just fully feel everything

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Speaker 1: they need to feel to heal through it. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 1: when you're going through something and someone's like, oh, don't worry,

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Speaker 1: everything happens for a reason, it's like, well, okay, that

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Speaker 1: does not help me feel good right now. Right now

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Speaker 1: I'm in the thick of morning what I had or

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Speaker 2: You know, it does, it really does make you feel

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Speaker 2: like you have to be, like you have to put

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Speaker 2: on a front. It's almost like that person is saying, like,

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Speaker 2: I'm expecting you to show up in this way, even

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Speaker 2: it comes from a good place, yes, Or when you're going

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Speaker 2: me to actually just feel how I'm actually feeling about

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Speaker 1: You just need a moment for someone to hold it

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Speaker 1: for you. Yeah, Like this fucking sucks right now, and

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Speaker 1: it's hard always say like have that little pity party

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Speaker 1: that for you so nice. What's your share of the week?

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Speaker 3: Love that. My share of the week is just nailing

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Speaker 3: the basics.

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Speaker 2: So something that has been really really helpful for me

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Speaker 1: That's so true. Foundation is so important and it's good

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Speaker 1: Okay, So today's episode it is definitely a heavier, edgy

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Speaker 1: one for you to talk about. I've heard this story

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Speaker 1: You guys obviously saw the title that Jianna had a

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Speaker 1: How did it happen? How did you find out?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so okay.

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Speaker 2: Like literally any woman's worst nightmare, Like I had a

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Speaker 1: Did you know in that moment it was your intimate

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Speaker 2: were watching it like around the fire, and she was like,

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Speaker 2: I left as soon as I could to come here

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Speaker 2: and thinking like people are gonna fucking call me a slot.

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Speaker 3: People are going to be so ruthless with this.

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Speaker 2: They're gonna hate me, They're not want it gonna be

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Speaker 2: So I had this conversation with him and he denied anything.

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Speaker 1: So take me back to the night you're with your friend.

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Speaker 2: That night, my friend left and I ended up just

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Speaker 3: In this moment. And I just was like, there's got

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Speaker 2: And I just ended up going to my parents and

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Speaker 2: I said, just what had happened, what Laura had told

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Speaker 3: So like they didn't judge or shame or anything like that.

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Speaker 2: and then it just got like thrown out.

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Speaker 1: After that, your parents went to the police. You went

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Speaker 3: I went with them.

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Speaker 1: I gave your statement, wrote a statement. They then went

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all of their technology and like couldn't find a

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Speaker 1: And that all makes sense because I was showing it

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Speaker 1: And it was charged anyone.

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Speaker 2: No. I remember thinking to myself, like I can either

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Speaker 2: Though I knew people looking at me, making jokes, sending

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Speaker 2: In the very beginning, yes, because I was like I

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Speaker 1: You couldn't have seen the light of like you're getting

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Speaker 3: And that was how I got through.

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Speaker 2: But it was the most pivotal thing that I've ever

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Speaker 2: The biggest thing was no longer being afraid of the

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Speaker 3: And it's not to say say that it doesn't come up.

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Speaker 2: Like I'm human, but on that big of a scale,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, like it was like, oh.

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Speaker 2: Cool, Like there's nothing in life now that could scare me.

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Speaker 2: When I've carried as much people see me literally have

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Speaker 3: So true for that, I'm so.

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Speaker 2: Grateful all of the things that I think scare me

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Speaker 3: Not much more is worse than that.

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Speaker 2: There are a few things, but like, not much more.

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Speaker 1: That's pretty brutal. I'm assuming one of the loneliest things

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Speaker 1: I've been in that season. Oh my gosh, it's so hard. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you didn't have anyone being like, oh my gosh, town

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Speaker 2: And you know what I think scared me the most

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Speaker 2: was like every time I met someone new, like a

442
00:19:06,360 --> 00:19:09,480
Speaker 2: friend or a potential partner, Yeah, I was like have

443
00:19:09,521 --> 00:19:10,001
Speaker 2: they seen it?

444
00:19:11,241 --> 00:19:12,640
Speaker 3: Like, have they seen it? Do they know about it?

445
00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:14,081
Speaker 1: They used to ask that they're.

446
00:19:13,921 --> 00:19:16,001
Speaker 3: Looking at me? No I didn't. I didn't.

447
00:19:16,241 --> 00:19:18,001
Speaker 2: I'd be like literally thinking in my head like are

448
00:19:18,001 --> 00:19:19,761
Speaker 2: they looking at me? Funny because they know they've seen

449
00:19:19,801 --> 00:19:23,080
Speaker 2: it and they're just not saying anything. But then I

450
00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:25,680
Speaker 2: made a pact with myself that every partner that I

451
00:19:25,721 --> 00:19:28,480
Speaker 2: would meet after that, or that I would be intimate

452
00:19:28,521 --> 00:19:30,600
Speaker 2: with or see or whatever. I would tell them straight

453
00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:32,721
Speaker 2: away because I never wanted anybody to be able to

454
00:19:32,721 --> 00:19:35,081
Speaker 2: hold that over me, you know, or like be like, oh,

455
00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:37,160
Speaker 2: look at this skeleton in your closet. I would literally

456
00:19:37,481 --> 00:19:40,041
Speaker 2: start seeing somebody for a long enough period of time

457
00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:43,081
Speaker 2: for it to be substantial whatever, and then I'd be like, Hey,

458
00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:44,360
Speaker 2: I just want to let you know, like this is

459
00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:46,200
Speaker 2: a part of my past. If you're not okay with that,

460
00:19:46,201 --> 00:19:48,240
Speaker 2: you can let me know, but you can let me

461
00:19:48,281 --> 00:19:51,521
Speaker 2: know now because and I tell them the story and

462
00:19:51,561 --> 00:19:53,440
Speaker 2: tell them how it changed me and all those things,

463
00:19:53,481 --> 00:19:56,600
Speaker 2: and it was like a beautiful way for me to

464
00:19:56,681 --> 00:19:58,321
Speaker 2: accept that as a part of my past and a

465
00:19:58,321 --> 00:20:00,360
Speaker 2: part of my story, you know, but not let it

466
00:20:00,360 --> 00:20:00,801
Speaker 2: define me.

467
00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:03,441
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like that's the cool thing, is like this one

468
00:20:03,521 --> 00:20:07,120
Speaker 1: sex tape does not define who you are as a woman. Yeah,

469
00:20:07,521 --> 00:20:09,241
Speaker 1: isn't that just the coolest thing? When you go through

470
00:20:09,281 --> 00:20:12,001
Speaker 1: those really hard times and it, like you said, it's pivotal,

471
00:20:12,041 --> 00:20:14,120
Speaker 1: Like you probably wouldn't be the woman you are today

472
00:20:14,801 --> 00:20:18,281
Speaker 1: and have the tools, the resilience, the confidence, the strength,

473
00:20:19,001 --> 00:20:20,640
Speaker 1: the way you have your own back and you are

474
00:20:20,681 --> 00:20:22,281
Speaker 1: your own best friend. Like I don't think you would

475
00:20:22,321 --> 00:20:24,721
Speaker 1: have that now, if you weren't put through that experience,

476
00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:26,680
Speaker 1: would you go through it again? Probably not.

477
00:20:26,761 --> 00:20:28,041
Speaker 3: Would I like to you, absolutely not?

478
00:20:28,360 --> 00:20:28,521
Speaker 2: No.

479
00:20:28,681 --> 00:20:30,281
Speaker 1: Would you wish I to have put your worst enemy?

480
00:20:30,521 --> 00:20:30,761
Speaker 3: No?

481
00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:35,840
Speaker 1: Awful? However, we rise above, Yes, and you find the

482
00:20:35,961 --> 00:20:39,441
Speaker 1: lessons and you push through, and you show yourself how

483
00:20:39,481 --> 00:20:41,561
Speaker 1: capable you are and that you can get through the

484
00:20:41,561 --> 00:20:42,241
Speaker 1: other side.

485
00:20:42,521 --> 00:20:43,760
Speaker 3: You know what's beautiful about it?

486
00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:45,960
Speaker 2: A lot of my clients do say to me, you

487
00:20:46,001 --> 00:20:49,360
Speaker 2: don't judge, you have like a deep understanding. I actually

488
00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:51,920
Speaker 2: had one client say this to me, there's nothing that

489
00:20:51,961 --> 00:20:54,161
Speaker 2: I could bring in here that would shock you and

490
00:20:54,201 --> 00:20:56,001
Speaker 2: make you judge me beautiful.

491
00:20:55,521 --> 00:20:57,360
Speaker 3: And I was like, you know why, because I've fucking.

492
00:20:57,160 --> 00:20:57,721
Speaker 1: Done it worse.

493
00:20:59,241 --> 00:21:00,041
Speaker 3: Girl, I get it.

494
00:21:02,001 --> 00:21:03,561
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm like, well, let me tell you. Sit down,

495
00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:05,600
Speaker 1: gets some popcorn. You're embarrassed about that, I let me

496
00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:07,281
Speaker 1: show you something, and.

497
00:21:07,241 --> 00:21:09,120
Speaker 2: Like it's a beautiful thing, right because it's like a

498
00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:11,481
Speaker 2: part of the reason I believe why I've been able

499
00:21:11,481 --> 00:21:14,521
Speaker 2: to hold space for myself build a beautiful and like

500
00:21:14,521 --> 00:21:17,801
Speaker 2: a more gentle and soft relationship with myself, then also

501
00:21:17,921 --> 00:21:19,960
Speaker 2: hold space for my clients in that way, and then

502
00:21:20,001 --> 00:21:22,840
Speaker 2: same with friendships, Like that's why I believe like I

503
00:21:22,961 --> 00:21:25,521
Speaker 2: listen and I want to hear people's stories, and I

504
00:21:25,561 --> 00:21:28,200
Speaker 2: have compassion for what people have been through, no matter

505
00:21:28,241 --> 00:21:32,161
Speaker 2: how bad, scary, dark, shameful they think it is, because

506
00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:34,081
Speaker 2: I'm like I've been there, Like if I can get

507
00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:36,480
Speaker 2: what it feels like to be in the trenches of

508
00:21:36,521 --> 00:21:37,681
Speaker 2: something that's hard and.

509
00:21:39,321 --> 00:21:41,520
Speaker 3: Terrifying and mortifying.

510
00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:45,440
Speaker 2: And shameful at yeah, you know, so it's like I

511
00:21:45,481 --> 00:21:48,281
Speaker 2: get it, and like I see you and like it's

512
00:21:48,281 --> 00:21:49,001
Speaker 2: going to be okay.

513
00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:50,681
Speaker 1: And isn't that, you know, isn't that what we all

514
00:21:50,681 --> 00:21:53,200
Speaker 1: want to be seen, heard and validated, not shame for

515
00:21:53,241 --> 00:21:56,281
Speaker 1: our mistakes, all the things that have happened to us. Yeah,

516
00:21:56,321 --> 00:21:57,121
Speaker 1: that's crazy.

517
00:21:57,201 --> 00:21:59,081
Speaker 2: Wow. I just got teary then when I said it's

518
00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:01,041
Speaker 2: going to be okay, it felt like a little like

519
00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:02,041
Speaker 2: it's going to be okay to.

520
00:22:02,001 --> 00:22:02,720
Speaker 3: Like little Tiana.

521
00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:06,201
Speaker 1: I was going to say, yeah, just being.

522
00:22:06,001 --> 00:22:08,801
Speaker 2: Like so proud of like you can get through anything

523
00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:09,080
Speaker 2: you have.

524
00:22:09,521 --> 00:22:12,921
Speaker 1: Was there anything any further discussions with your dad, because

525
00:22:12,921 --> 00:22:15,281
Speaker 1: I know you have the most beautiful bond with your dad,

526
00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:18,921
Speaker 1: Like Daddy's little girl, I am. He's so beautiful. He's

527
00:22:18,921 --> 00:22:21,121
Speaker 1: a lover boy. This is even when I first met him,

528
00:22:21,201 --> 00:22:23,440
Speaker 1: just like, oh, I can see like everything you described

529
00:22:23,481 --> 00:22:25,881
Speaker 1: about him. He's just so beautiful. You're like, he'll take

530
00:22:25,921 --> 00:22:26,881
Speaker 1: you in. I'm like perfect.

531
00:22:27,041 --> 00:22:30,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like there's enough dad to go there's enough dad

532
00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:31,400
Speaker 2: to go around.

533
00:22:31,561 --> 00:22:33,080
Speaker 1: I feel like I've asked all my friends does to

534
00:22:33,120 --> 00:22:36,600
Speaker 1: adopt me daddy issues and we will anyway bringing in.

535
00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:41,241
Speaker 1: But yeah, was there any further chats with him? Did

536
00:22:41,281 --> 00:22:43,840
Speaker 1: other things come up for him and you guys navigated

537
00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:45,920
Speaker 1: it together. Was it kind of just he stepped into

538
00:22:46,360 --> 00:22:48,321
Speaker 1: protective mode, like let's see what we can do and

539
00:22:48,360 --> 00:22:49,200
Speaker 1: now I'm just here.

540
00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:51,801
Speaker 2: For you stepped into protective mode. I think it was

541
00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:55,760
Speaker 2: more like a this doesn't define you, like you're okay,

542
00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:58,360
Speaker 2: you can do this, Like you're gonna be fine, Like

543
00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:01,160
Speaker 2: this isn't gonna impact your future or anything like that.

544
00:23:01,281 --> 00:23:03,161
Speaker 2: Soon people won't know about it and they'll be onto

545
00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:05,801
Speaker 2: the next thing. And it's very always been very encouraging

546
00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:09,681
Speaker 2: like that, and even in really hard times like hardships,

547
00:23:10,001 --> 00:23:11,801
Speaker 2: he's just always known like the right things to say,

548
00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:14,041
Speaker 2: like has a very positive outlook on life and like

549
00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:17,201
Speaker 2: is really able to see through the ship and kind

550
00:23:17,241 --> 00:23:19,441
Speaker 2: of like get to the lesson, you know, love that

551
00:23:19,561 --> 00:23:20,121
Speaker 2: which I love.

552
00:23:20,281 --> 00:23:22,561
Speaker 3: I think such a skill With my mom.

553
00:23:22,321 --> 00:23:24,441
Speaker 2: It was a little bit of a different a little

554
00:23:24,441 --> 00:23:26,400
Speaker 2: bit of a different thing because like, tell me about that.

555
00:23:26,481 --> 00:23:30,361
Speaker 2: Growing up, my mom has always said to me. She's like, Tiana,

556
00:23:30,721 --> 00:23:32,240
Speaker 2: do not let anybody feel me.

557
00:23:32,561 --> 00:23:33,801
Speaker 1: Before this even happened.

558
00:23:33,521 --> 00:23:38,481
Speaker 3: Before it even happened. And she was like, she wasn't,

559
00:23:38,521 --> 00:23:41,001
Speaker 3: but she was like a little bit, she was a

560
00:23:41,001 --> 00:23:41,400
Speaker 3: little bit.

561
00:23:41,441 --> 00:23:45,321
Speaker 2: She was kind of like, well, yeah, she used to

562
00:23:45,321 --> 00:23:47,441
Speaker 2: warn me about these things, you know, like.

563
00:23:47,481 --> 00:23:50,321
Speaker 1: As you do, she's like, just.

564
00:23:50,321 --> 00:23:52,640
Speaker 2: Be careful, make sure you make the right decisions. Don't

565
00:23:52,681 --> 00:23:54,840
Speaker 2: let it force you into anything, like don't if you

566
00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:57,880
Speaker 2: don't ever feel okay with something, don't do it, you know.

567
00:23:58,041 --> 00:23:58,841
Speaker 3: And then I did and she.

568
00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:01,480
Speaker 2: Was like, but this is why I tell you these things,

569
00:24:01,561 --> 00:24:03,361
Speaker 2: not because I want to scare you, but because it

570
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:04,600
Speaker 2: can happen to anybody.

571
00:24:05,561 --> 00:24:06,920
Speaker 3: Yeah.

572
00:24:07,120 --> 00:24:09,480
Speaker 2: Oh that was hard, Yeah, but you know what, like

573
00:24:09,481 --> 00:24:12,600
Speaker 2: I'm grateful for it all, babe. Like I honestly, if

574
00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:14,321
Speaker 2: I could go back and I could take things out

575
00:24:14,360 --> 00:24:17,681
Speaker 2: of my journey, I wouldn't take it out, really, I wouldn't.

576
00:24:17,721 --> 00:24:19,961
Speaker 2: I would make myself grow through that every single time.

577
00:24:19,961 --> 00:24:22,400
Speaker 2: If I had to come back to however, life works

578
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:25,400
Speaker 2: and earthworks. If I had to reincarnate, come back and

579
00:24:25,441 --> 00:24:27,400
Speaker 2: experience the same thing again, I would leave it in

580
00:24:27,481 --> 00:24:30,561
Speaker 2: there because like a huge part of my character now

581
00:24:30,801 --> 00:24:32,641
Speaker 2: is a result of me going through that.

582
00:24:32,761 --> 00:24:34,640
Speaker 1: So, you know, before you've got that perspective and outlook.

583
00:24:34,681 --> 00:24:36,880
Speaker 1: And I hope everyone listening can take some moments to

584
00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:40,001
Speaker 1: reflect on the things that have happened to them, because

585
00:24:40,041 --> 00:24:42,760
Speaker 1: sometimes we can kind of get really stuck in the

586
00:24:42,801 --> 00:24:44,920
Speaker 1: things that have happened to us, and it's hard to

587
00:24:44,961 --> 00:24:47,400
Speaker 1: pull yourself out. And like I've evenly pushed back online

588
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:49,440
Speaker 1: when I say find the lesson, like, well, what's the lesson?

589
00:24:49,441 --> 00:24:52,201
Speaker 1: And this horrible thing happening and get out some things

590
00:24:52,201 --> 00:24:54,080
Speaker 1: I still don't have the lesson for. Yeah, for sure

591
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,361
Speaker 1: there is things that I say right now that none

592
00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:58,400
Speaker 1: of us know why it happens to young children, you

593
00:24:58,481 --> 00:25:02,041
Speaker 1: know whatever. But if you can, if you can find

594
00:25:02,041 --> 00:25:04,080
Speaker 1: the lesson, if you can see the light, if you

595
00:25:04,120 --> 00:25:06,920
Speaker 1: can grow as a p some build resilience and find

596
00:25:06,961 --> 00:25:09,120
Speaker 1: gratitude in it in some way, shape or form, it

597
00:25:09,120 --> 00:25:10,761
Speaker 1: will help pull yourself out of that.

598
00:25:10,921 --> 00:25:11,801
Speaker 3: You know what to add to that?

599
00:25:12,001 --> 00:25:16,521
Speaker 2: Stay curious, yes, curious, Like that's the reason why I

600
00:25:16,561 --> 00:25:17,920
Speaker 2: will believe that I was able to get out of it.

601
00:25:17,921 --> 00:25:19,801
Speaker 2: I'm like, cool, Okay, Well if this isn't the end,

602
00:25:20,241 --> 00:25:20,920
Speaker 2: what's next?

603
00:25:21,321 --> 00:25:21,640
Speaker 1: Yeah?

604
00:25:21,721 --> 00:25:24,120
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, if this isn't all that there is for me,

605
00:25:24,561 --> 00:25:27,681
Speaker 2: what else is? You know? And just following that little

606
00:25:27,801 --> 00:25:30,360
Speaker 2: niggle that you feel in your chest of like there's

607
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,241
Speaker 2: more for me here, you know, And just reminding yourself,

608
00:25:33,321 --> 00:25:35,360
Speaker 2: like if you've been through anything, and you've been through

609
00:25:35,360 --> 00:25:38,041
Speaker 2: hardship or something that you know you feel like you're

610
00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:41,041
Speaker 2: going through alone, just know that you're not alone because you.

611
00:25:41,001 --> 00:25:43,481
Speaker 3: Have yourself, yes, and never alone, Like.

612
00:25:43,481 --> 00:25:45,521
Speaker 2: You can rely on yourself so much more than what

613
00:25:45,561 --> 00:25:47,920
Speaker 2: you give yourself credit for. And when you do and

614
00:25:47,961 --> 00:25:52,481
Speaker 2: you show up, I promise you your relationship with yourself will

615
00:25:52,521 --> 00:25:54,160
Speaker 2: be the best relationship that you have.

616
00:25:54,281 --> 00:25:58,401
Speaker 1: That's beautiful. Yeah, Now fast forward, Your twenty six has

617
00:25:58,441 --> 00:26:01,880
Speaker 1: happened quite a long time ago. Now does it ever resurface?

618
00:26:01,961 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 1: Does anyone ever message you? Does it ever come up

619
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:06,321
Speaker 1: on conversation? Does it do ever pop in your inbox

620
00:26:06,321 --> 00:26:08,480
Speaker 1: from a fake account? It's it ever come up again?

621
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:11,120
Speaker 2: I haven't seen or heard of it since I was

622
00:26:11,201 --> 00:26:12,681
Speaker 2: probably twenty one.

623
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 1: I love that for you.

624
00:26:13,721 --> 00:26:15,761
Speaker 3: Yeah, we too.

625
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:19,401
Speaker 2: He I'm like, hopefully all those phones are destroyed. Yeah, yeah, No,

626
00:26:19,561 --> 00:26:21,721
Speaker 2: I haven't seen it pop up. I haven't had anybody

627
00:26:21,721 --> 00:26:24,641
Speaker 2: message me, which I'm really grateful for. I think as

628
00:26:24,681 --> 00:26:28,001
Speaker 2: time goes on, people move on, people move on. Yeah,

629
00:26:28,041 --> 00:26:30,200
Speaker 2: it's not always the center of attention. That'll be on

630
00:26:30,281 --> 00:26:32,041
Speaker 2: to something else. And you know what as well, like

631
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:35,240
Speaker 2: that part of my life is so different and a

632
00:26:35,281 --> 00:26:37,201
Speaker 2: lot of those people aren't in my life anymore, from

633
00:26:37,201 --> 00:26:39,640
Speaker 2: that town, from that place, from that time of my life,

634
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 2: and like, yeah, people are so worried about what they're

635
00:26:42,120 --> 00:26:44,801
Speaker 2: doing that. Yeah, eventually when things like this do happen,

636
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:45,961
Speaker 2: it's like it fades out.

637
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:48,001
Speaker 1: It does you know. Yeah, Well, I'm glad you moved,

638
00:26:48,041 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 1: wouldn't it you otherwise?

639
00:26:49,120 --> 00:26:50,561
Speaker 3: I know it's the best decision ever.

640
00:26:50,721 --> 00:26:52,561
Speaker 1: Well, thank you so much for sharing leading up to

641
00:26:52,561 --> 00:26:55,281
Speaker 1: come to record this. I know you're feeling very nervous, ye,

642
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:57,481
Speaker 1: but there's so much beauty and what you've been through.

643
00:26:58,321 --> 00:27:00,441
Speaker 1: You've come so far and you've grown so much. You're

644
00:27:00,481 --> 00:27:02,240
Speaker 1: so strong and resilient because of that, and that's something

645
00:27:02,281 --> 00:27:03,041
Speaker 1: to be really proud of.

646
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:03,601
Speaker 3: Thank you.

647
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 2: I appreciate that sometimes topics like this aren't easy to

648
00:27:06,801 --> 00:27:08,761
Speaker 2: listen to because they feel a little bit more heavy.

649
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:12,241
Speaker 2: But I just appreciate the space you're holding and listening

650
00:27:12,321 --> 00:27:14,921
Speaker 2: and letting me be seen by you, like I.

651
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:18,241
Speaker 3: Really appreciate that. So thank you, she rises, she rises.

652
00:27:18,481 --> 00:27:20,281
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us, guys, and we'll

653
00:27:20,321 --> 00:27:21,801
Speaker 1: see you in our next episode.

654
00:27:22,001 --> 00:27:22,561
Speaker 3: Bye by