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Speaker 2: you in beautiful Mount Gambia. Now, before I get into
Speaker 2: the super hard stuff, congratulations to the entire state of
Speaker 2: Queensland who still has some sort of no doubt woke
Speaker 2: up little bit dodgy this morning, the hangover would still
Speaker 2: be going. Why why not after a massive win in
Speaker 2: that state of origin. I'm not rubbing it into everyone
Speaker 2: who's a Blues fan, but still, how incredible was this win?
Speaker 2: You know all of the stories around, and if you
Speaker 2: know rugby league, you know all of the ins and outs.
Speaker 2: But what I love here is that there was a
Speaker 2: good old fashioned photo. This I think is one of
Speaker 2: their assistant coaches. Somebody snapped him with the trophy the
Speaker 2: morning after.
Speaker 1: And while footy is not the way it used to
Speaker 1: be and their own party the way that.
Speaker 2: It used to be, good to see that maybe a
Speaker 2: couple of people who used to party still know how
Speaker 2: to party. Congratulations to Cameron Munster, of course, what a night.
Speaker 2: Just a couple of days ago, the Queensland captain, and
Speaker 2: remember this started out with a different Queensland captain, but
Speaker 2: the Queensland captain of course lost his father unbelievable. The
Speaker 2: coach had also lost his father in the past twelve months,
Speaker 2: and yep, they did it for their dads. What a
Speaker 2: beautiful moment at all was, especially when they were cuddling
Speaker 2: after the game. The coach, Billy Slater, a champion and
Speaker 2: a legend of Queensland football, paid tribute to this new
Speaker 2: generation who did something unbelievable and something that all of
Speaker 2: us would love to be able to do for our dads, which.
Speaker 1: Is to win in their honor.
Speaker 5: The blake to my left, that's that's as courageous and
Speaker 5: brave as I've ever seen. I don't know how he
Speaker 5: did it, but within ten minutes of sitting with him
Speaker 5: in his room on Sunday morning, he looked at me
Speaker 5: and he said, Bill, on playing and I know he
Speaker 5: wanted to.
Speaker 1: I know his dad would have wanted him to.
Speaker 5: And boy, that's one proud dad sitting up there watching
Speaker 5: his boy tonight.
Speaker 2: Lable, unbelievable, It didn't matter who you wanted to win.
Speaker 2: All of us secretly happy that that's the way the
Speaker 2: story ends in terms of football and this year. But
Speaker 2: the reason I mentioned this all at the start of
Speaker 2: the show is not just to enjoy a lovely moment
Speaker 2: that millions of people watched. But just how sort of
Speaker 2: the human versions of AI that must have a hot
Speaker 2: take on everything, even have a hot take on the
Speaker 2: emotion of Cameron Munster dealing with the death of his
Speaker 2: father in recent days, Billy Slater dealing with the death
Speaker 2: of his father in recent months. Now, I'm sure this
Speaker 2: was all meant well, but also there's this sort of
Speaker 2: snidness and a piece that appeared in The Guardian Surprise Surprise,
Speaker 2: the turmbul Times today that kind of you know, bloke
Speaker 2: sport is all fake emotion and all the blokes in
Speaker 2: it sort of have got the tap turned off, and
Speaker 2: you know this was finally a rare moment of masculinity
Speaker 2: the way.
Speaker 1: It should be.
Speaker 2: In fact, let me read, sport is often a proxy
Speaker 2: for authentic human connection, especially for me. In bloody, big,
Speaker 2: bloody tough, bloody blokes. It allows us to pat each
Speaker 2: other on the bums in public, then sing secret songs
Speaker 2: in private.
Speaker 1: No, it's anyway.
Speaker 2: It means performative masculinity and converting concussion and chronic traumatics
Speaker 2: traumatic basically CTE apologies into clicks. We do all of
Speaker 2: this without having to process our feelings or confront our fears,
Speaker 2: and after a whole bunch of psychobabble, he gets to
Speaker 2: two of the hardest, most resilient figures in the toughest competition,
Speaker 2: in the fiercest sport in the world, have shown this
Speaker 2: another way. So hug your friends, let them cry on
Speaker 2: your shoulder. Everything's going to be okay again. I know
Speaker 2: the point he's trying to make, but the sort of
Speaker 2: all patronizing tone.
Speaker 1: That before we get there.
Speaker 2: Anyone who knows their regular history knows way back, way back,
Speaker 2: way back, way back when footballers of he always cried
Speaker 2: human emotion from Benny Alias with his mum on the
Speaker 2: sidelines in the nineteen nineties, through more deeper public connections
Speaker 2: like the one that we showed you a couple of
Speaker 2: weeks ago with Danny Baderus, a former Origin captain, Australian Captain,
Speaker 2: origin winner, Newcastle legend and his mate Mark Hughes and
Speaker 2: their love and commitment to each other to try to
Speaker 2: stop brain cancer with the beanies that they were selling
Speaker 2: in Newcastle a couple of weeks ago. Women in League
Speaker 2: Round is almost twenty years old. Rugby league players are
Speaker 2: yes at a time maybe thirty years ago were forced
Speaker 2: by pr departments to go and visit sick kids in hospitals.
Speaker 2: But I'll be honest, even when they were being forced
Speaker 2: to do it, even way back then, when times were
Speaker 2: particularly tough and the language was particularly blue, and the
Speaker 2: fights were very real, and everyone.
Speaker 1: Loved the biff.
Speaker 2: Back then, they all loved their families. They all love
Speaker 2: each other, and blokes, contrary to the popular opinion of
Speaker 2: perhaps the beta males amongst us, are actually really good
Speaker 2: at sharing emotion. We're in a much different place in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five to where we were in the U
Speaker 2: two thousand, litt Alone ninety five or seventy six, where
Speaker 2: men of all ages cry, men of all ages take
Speaker 2: care of each other, and men of all ages have
Speaker 2: maximum sympathy.
Speaker 1: For the men around us.
Speaker 2: And again, I know what this bloke was trying to do,
Speaker 2: which was trying to say that, rather than the book
Speaker 2: Big Buffy, let's not talk about our emotions. We finally
Speaker 2: had blokes that were talking about emotions. But I'll give
Speaker 2: him the tip. Those of us that they assume are
Speaker 2: too bogan to have emotions have emotions that are too
Speaker 2: unwashed to care or to be considerate both of those things.
Speaker 2: We love our mates, We love our brothers, we love
Speaker 2: our teammates in whatever field of endeavor that we're in,
Speaker 2: and we also love our women. And when I say
Speaker 2: our women, I mean the women in our lives. We
Speaker 2: would die for our friends, let alone our families, and
Speaker 2: God forbid if anything happened to our kids. So yes,
Speaker 2: sometimes we might say things that are a little bit
Speaker 2: nine en eighties, we might laugh at things that are
Speaker 2: a little bit nine nineties.
Speaker 1: Blokes today, regardless of.
Speaker 2: Who they are and what you think they look like,
Speaker 2: are more connected to their hearts than ever before. And
Speaker 2: if we can connect our hearts to our mate's hearts
Speaker 2: and their families, then guess what more of us are
Speaker 2: connected that are separated. And that's what matters most. So again,
Speaker 2: congratulations to Queensland, congratulations to Cameron Mont's But again, the
Speaker 2: lesson that he showed us all this one that obviously
Speaker 2: none of us would want him to have had to do.
Speaker 2: The fact that he and his teammates bandied together was
Speaker 2: a beautiful thing, regardless of what the hot take industry is.
Speaker 2: The next day, now to the madness of Melbourne of
Speaker 2: the past couple of days, you know the garbage of
Speaker 2: the fighting that was taking place in the restaurant.
Speaker 1: We've talked about it. You know the story Uphill and
Speaker 1: down Dale.
Speaker 2: You also know that earlier in the week that far
Speaker 2: right wing news outlet The Age was reporting the police
Speaker 2: were being told not to confront protesters before this restaurant rampage.
Speaker 2: Now we've had this before where other protests simply are well,
Speaker 2: those people are probably going to overreact and basically we
Speaker 2: treat them like a toddler, which is because they're going
Speaker 2: to overreact, we don't interact. We just try to de escalate.
Speaker 2: Rather than saying no, there is a line you've crossed
Speaker 2: at you pale back of the divvan Well, the Victorian
Speaker 2: Coalition is drawing a line saying that the types of
Speaker 2: things that have been happening in Melbourn for two long
Speaker 2: on one hundred different issues need to change and yes
Speaker 2: you have a right to protest, but because other people
Speaker 2: have ruined the fun, we need to introduce a system
Speaker 2: similar to what is happening in New South Wales. Under
Speaker 2: the proposed news of Weil style system, police command would
Speaker 2: be in charge of protest registrations rather than local councils.
Speaker 2: So you're going to have to tell the cops that
Speaker 2: you are planning for you and whatever one hundred plus
Speaker 2: two hundred plus mates, let alone thousands to turn up
Speaker 2: at this time in this location, so the police know
Speaker 2: what they're responding to, rather than ramping up in real time.
Speaker 2: Organizers who register a protest and their attendees would be
Speaker 2: protected from offenses such as obstruction or an unlawful assembly,
Speaker 2: meaning yes, there is a legal right to do so. However,
Speaker 2: those who father register of protest would run out the
Speaker 2: risk of activists will run the risk of activists racking
Speaker 2: up a string of charges and breaching strength and.
Speaker 1: Move on laws. Good.
Speaker 2: This is all common sense. It's not about the right
Speaker 2: to protest. This is about when the protest goes too far.
Speaker 2: Upgraded laws which were previously scraped by the former premier
Speaker 2: Damiel Andrews will see protesters who refuse to move on
Speaker 2: and disperse at unregistered protest face arrests on the spot.
Speaker 2: So no more will there be police told not to
Speaker 2: confront the protesters. Instead, again, if you just decide to
Speaker 2: turn up and to cause trouble, and cause trouble does
Speaker 2: not mean.
Speaker 1: Challenge the system.
Speaker 2: Man not talking about somebody who wants to offer an
Speaker 2: unpopular opinion. I'm not talking about somebody who wants to
Speaker 2: challenge the orthodoxy. I'm talking about the people who decide
Speaker 2: to turn up and as part of doing all of
Speaker 2: those things, the mixture of everything from blocking traffic which
Speaker 2: has its flow on effects. Remember everyone in there, all
Speaker 2: of those cars, it's got just as much a right
Speaker 2: to move to where they need to go as you
Speaker 2: have to stand there to protest through two holding people
Speaker 2: more accountable for things that become not just disruptive but
Speaker 2: just outright madness as we have seen of recent days.
Speaker 1: Here is the Victorian opposition leader.
Speaker 2: And for those that have been saying when will finally
Speaker 2: the Victorian Libs draw a line and be different, Well,
Speaker 2: this is the start of being different, and I say
Speaker 2: well done.
Speaker 6: We're going to say to people, if you register your
Speaker 6: event the Victoria or the protest, the Victoria police can
Speaker 6: work with you to make sure you've still got your
Speaker 6: freedom of speech. It's just a matter of location. Are
Speaker 6: they going down the same route every time? Is it
Speaker 6: going to be safe? What police resources it keeps the
Speaker 6: community safer?
Speaker 2: Good on a good conversation with Peter Krevlin. Of course,
Speaker 2: good to see her back on our Telly as well
Speaker 2: as the lovely Sharry. We'll all come and go over
Speaker 2: the next couple of weeks. But remember we are all
Speaker 2: there all the time, regardless of who is in front
Speaker 2: of the camera. We're all ready to fight for you
Speaker 2: and the big issues of the day. Also great article
Speaker 2: today in and around the Liberal Party and its future
Speaker 2: with Peter That which is great read in the Australian.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: Also worth noting here is that yes, the registration system
Speaker 2: is a good idea, right because of all the things
Speaker 2: I just said, but it's not perfect. Remember the nonsense
Speaker 2: that happened at the Opera House a couple of days
Speaker 2: after October the seventh was not a legal protest. There
Speaker 2: was a protest that was about thirty minutes up the
Speaker 2: road in town Hall. But because there were too many
Speaker 2: people too if you police, they were able to march
Speaker 2: their way down George Street, turn right at Circular Key
Speaker 2: and well create that infamous moment, which remember at the
Speaker 2: time police were saying.
Speaker 1: Well there were too many of them. We didn't know
Speaker 1: how to respond.
Speaker 2: As best as I know, no one repeat, no one
Speaker 2: was fined, fined in terms of the protest organizers. And
Speaker 2: that's the issue here too, is that if there is
Speaker 2: an organization that is putting a protest on and it devolves,
Speaker 2: then they have to be held responsible, right they have
Speaker 2: to say no, you don't get to run one for
Speaker 2: a little while, or you're going to have to pay
Speaker 2: a fine, or you're gonna have to put up some
Speaker 2: sort of a bond if you are somebody who has
Speaker 2: put on protests that get out of control like that.
Speaker 2: And as you know, that particular incident in and around
Speaker 2: the Opera House was the start of Australia starting to
Speaker 2: choose the wrong way of dealing with things. In fairness,
Speaker 2: the New South Wales premiere, well, he has maintained a
Speaker 2: pretty heavy hand and certainly trying to hold up the
Speaker 2: right of individuals to move about their business freely and
Speaker 2: not to be intimidated by the people who choose to
Speaker 2: use intimidation as a way of controlling the public conversation.
Speaker 2: And there is credit where credit is due, but it's
Speaker 2: not much credit, i must say. The Prime Minister, as
Speaker 2: you know today has received the report of the Anti
Speaker 2: Semitism Envoy.
Speaker 1: It has many of.
Speaker 2: The same recommendations that were done out of the Skinish
Speaker 2: Anti Semitism summit, and I want to congratulate everyone who
Speaker 2: put that together because the vast bulk of what was
Speaker 2: in that particular session has now been put forward as
Speaker 2: an idea to a government about how to deal with things. Now,
Speaker 2: this in part was the Prime Minister.
Speaker 7: Today anism any Semetism, any Semetism, any Semetism, anti Semitism,
Speaker 7: any Semetis, any Semitism.
Speaker 2: Okay, so he's starting to learn it, he's starting to
Speaker 2: say it. But what is in the report, Well, cam
Speaker 2: Redden from Canbra Bureau will tell you.
Speaker 8: Border falls and migration officials understand the significance of the
Speaker 8: issue and do their best to prevent antisemitism crossing Australia's border.
Speaker 8: A number of other points in Gillian Siegel's plan include
Speaker 8: a broadening of the school curriculum to include teaching about
Speaker 8: modern antisemitism as well, not just looking historically, for example,
Speaker 8: at the Holocaust and the aftermath of that as well.
Speaker 8: She also says there will be a deliberate targeting to
Speaker 8: combat some of the antisemitic hatred online, particularly on social media.
Speaker 8: She also says she'll be keeping a close eye on
Speaker 8: media reporting broadly, not just on social media, but on newspapers, television,
Speaker 8: radio coverage. Two and try and reach out to identify
Speaker 8: areas where she believes that there's either misinformation spread or
Speaker 8: that there is not balance when covering some of these
Speaker 8: sensitive issues.
Speaker 1: But what do I say partial credit?
Speaker 2: Why do I know that my giving of partial credit
Speaker 2: will be used by the people who hate this station,
Speaker 2: this program and you for watching it. Well, it's because,
Speaker 2: of course the Prime Minister well said the right things
Speaker 2: multiple times today. We stood there and received the report today,
Speaker 2: but has not promised to do anything as a result
Speaker 2: of the report. In fact, of all of the stuff
Speaker 2: that they have heard in the past twenty four hours,
Speaker 2: pay very close attention to the Prime Minister and his
Speaker 2: level of commitment to all of those different things that
Speaker 2: we've just explained some of the ideas to deal with
Speaker 2: the heart of the problem.
Speaker 7: Will now carefully consider the report recommendations.
Speaker 2: The problem with governments carefully considering is that they've done
Speaker 2: this before. Remember the Banking Royal Commission. Four fifths of
Speaker 2: bug are all changed. Yes, everyone stood there and they
Speaker 2: accepted it as well. We except most of the regulations,
Speaker 2: nothing really changed. Remember the Veterans Affairs Royal Commission. When
Speaker 2: I sat there and I read how many of the
Speaker 2: different suggestions of these considered reports. Now, it doesn't mean
Speaker 2: just because it's in a report everything should happen, but
Speaker 2: to show your commitment to an issue. Generally speaking, a government,
Speaker 2: when it receives a suggestion like this, will pick one
Speaker 2: thing that they'll sort of automatically rub a stamp bang
Speaker 2: good idea. And here's where I think a little bit
Speaker 2: of the three card Monty shell game is going to
Speaker 2: be played. I think that this government, and true to
Speaker 2: its own form, is going to get a similar report
Speaker 2: from lots of different communities. I'm talking about everything from sexuality,
Speaker 2: to religion, to disability to you name it right, and
Speaker 2: all of it is going to be put into a
Speaker 2: giant pot to work out the overall way of deal
Speaker 2: with hate. Now, whether that means we're going to turn
Speaker 2: around and get new laws that will say you cannot
Speaker 2: villify insert sixteen different groups. And while I do not
Speaker 2: fight for the right to villify certain number of groups,
Speaker 2: I do want somebody to tell me what the word
Speaker 2: villify would mean in a legal sense. Is it up
Speaker 2: to how offended the person who has been offended is
Speaker 2: to decide how serious what it was. Is it up
Speaker 2: to the activists to decide.
Speaker 1: This was all of the.
Speaker 2: Problem that was there with the censorship legislation when it
Speaker 2: came to the Internet. So again, yes, great Prime Minister,
Speaker 2: to talk half a step in the right direction, but
Speaker 2: don't be surprised if being each way out about he
Speaker 2: takes half a step in that direction, and that direction,
Speaker 2: and that direction, and that direction, and that direction and
Speaker 2: that direction, until a big ball of dealing with hate
Speaker 2: is what is going to be coming out. And goodness
Speaker 2: forbid anyone who wants to challenge any of the legal
Speaker 2: definitions they're going to come up with, because you know
Speaker 2: what they're going to be, like always with so many things,
Speaker 2: it's going to be a mile wide the definition, and
Speaker 2: the bar is going to be so low, so low,
Speaker 2: that it will be up to the victim to decide
Speaker 2: whether you meant to vilify or offend or.
Speaker 1: Anything like that.
Speaker 2: Watch this space stand by, we'll all learn together. I
Speaker 2: hope to be wrong, but got a feeling on this one.
Speaker 2: Probably not going to be.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: One thing that Anthony Alberinezi, Anastasia Palochet, Daniel Andrews, Roger Cook,
Speaker 2: all having common apart from being hardcore labor people is
Speaker 2: that they are the people who, to their various governments,
Speaker 2: has brought an absolute mantra of supercharging what I bang
Speaker 2: on about as the triangle of dependence. This is when
Speaker 2: you'll eventually always stay in power because you will end
Speaker 2: up with more than a majority of the population who
Speaker 2: either are on welfare, work for the government, or if
Speaker 2: they're in private industry, their biggest client is the government.
Speaker 2: And because nobody wants to rock the boat, everyone keeps
Speaker 2: voting for them, and we end up with permanent labor governments.
Speaker 2: Nick Cata writes about this at Skytnews dot com dot
Speaker 2: a Youth Today, specifically when it comes to the size
Speaker 2: of the public service.
Speaker 1: Now we know we know what the result of the
Speaker 1: election was.
Speaker 2: I I know no one will ever take this cudgel up,
Speaker 2: but it doesn't mean it's not something worth talking about.
Speaker 2: Well done Nick for writing about this today. How Labour's
Speaker 2: blooded public sector blob has sealed that Seal P. Dutt's
Speaker 2: fate is spreading its tentacles deeper into taxpayers wallets. Let's
Speaker 2: read together. The size of the public service workforce has
Speaker 2: never been larger, nor its preference for labor governments stronger,
Speaker 2: hence the triangle of dependence. The largest employer of public
Speaker 2: servants is the Department of Social Services and its associated agencies,
Speaker 2: where the number of employees has increased from just thirty
Speaker 2: eight thousand and five years ago to forty eight thousand today.
Speaker 2: Service delivery jobs has increased by just twenty eight percent
Speaker 2: since twenty and nineteen. Administration jobs are up by seventy
Speaker 2: four percent, so when they talk about front line workers,
Speaker 2: administration jobs are up by seventy four percent. Portfolio, program
Speaker 2: and project management positions have increased by one hundred and
Speaker 2: fifty three percent, Strategic policy jobs they're up by one
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty four percent, and communications and marketing are
Speaker 2: up by eighty nine percent. One last one, human resources
Speaker 2: positions have risen by forty eight percent, confirming our worse
Speaker 2: fears that more public servants are employed to essentially manage themselves.
Speaker 2: If they keep voting labor and they keep slowly any
Speaker 2: attempts to change the way they do, the triangle of
Speaker 2: dependence only gets stronger. I like that metaphor because you
Speaker 2: know how strong structurally a triangle is and how it
Speaker 2: can enforce itself, which is exactly what happens here. Now,
Speaker 2: let's talk about the worries a lot of people have
Speaker 2: with childcare at the moment. Sadly, in the past couple
Speaker 2: of days, another person has been charged in relation to
Speaker 2: horrific abuses that have taken place at a ledge to
Speaker 2: have taken place at childcare centers. We also know that
Speaker 2: a lot of Australians have had really tough time talking
Speaker 2: about this issue in the past few days, and I
Speaker 2: understand why. So let me jump to the findings of
Speaker 2: an opinion poll which starts to tell us about how
Speaker 2: many of us do not feel particularly safe about the
Speaker 2: way that childcare centers work in Australia. Unsurprisingly, after the events,
Speaker 2: particularly what took place allegedly in Melbourne, most Australian support
Speaker 2: male educators in a childcare in childcare, a pole has found.
Speaker 1: Let's read these all together. Okay, I'm only going to
Speaker 1: read the.
Speaker 2: Disagrees Australia's childcare sector is generally safe for kids. Can
Speaker 2: you believe seventeen percent of people seventeen percent of people
Speaker 2: as a standing number before you get into anything.
Speaker 1: Else, so that they're not safe? That's frightening.
Speaker 2: Twenty five percent don't know, and I know not one
Speaker 2: hundred percent of people have kids in childcare or have
Speaker 2: had them at any recent time. Seventeen percent disagree childcare
Speaker 2: centers should be run by governments or community not for
Speaker 2: profit thirteen percent.
Speaker 1: Now I'll give you the tip.
Speaker 2: I think one of the great dreams Anthony Abernezi has
Speaker 2: is universal childcare, and I think he would prefer it
Speaker 2: to be run by the government sector. So essentially, government
Speaker 2: run childcare, into government run schools, into government run universities.
Speaker 2: And we all know what the ideological consequence of that's
Speaker 2: going to be, So don't be surprised if that's where
Speaker 2: we go over the many many years to come of
Speaker 2: this government centers with all female staff will be safer
Speaker 2: for kids.
Speaker 1: Forty one percent.
Speaker 2: Of people believe that to be the case. Just thirty
Speaker 2: percent of people agree. Sorry, I should say thirty percent
Speaker 2: of people agree that childcare centers with female staff are safer.
Speaker 1: Than ones with both men and women.
Speaker 2: The majority of disagreeing there at forty one but still
Speaker 2: thirty percent of people or thirty people saying we should
Speaker 2: make that change. I personally do not agree with that
Speaker 2: particular change, but we'll all wait and see where that goes.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about the Reserve Bank, because, as we know,
Speaker 2: there was a little bit of surprise this week after
Speaker 2: the Reserve Bank made its decision not to drop interest rates.
Speaker 9: The Reserve Bank has defined market and economist expectations.
Speaker 1: People are going to be very surprised here. A lot
Speaker 1: of economists will be surprised.
Speaker 2: Markets was shocked by today's Reserve Bank decision to leave
Speaker 2: interest rates on hold. And we all know that despite
Speaker 2: the Treasurer and the Prime Minister constantly saying that global uncertainty,
Speaker 2: which is code for Trump, is the reason why interest
Speaker 2: rates didn't go down.
Speaker 9: The global uncertainty is really one of the defining influencers
Speaker 9: on our economy at the moment.
Speaker 7: We are living in a time of significant global uncertainty,
Speaker 7: and that reaches beyond just economic instability.
Speaker 9: That global environment is going to constrain us. It's going
Speaker 9: to shape our choices. It's going to be such an
Speaker 9: important influence and it's an important influence on monetary policies.
Speaker 7: And secured the resilience of our economy. In a time
Speaker 7: of global uncertainty.
Speaker 9: People are still under pressure and the global environment is
Speaker 9: so uncertain and some of that global uncertainty is also
Speaker 9: recognized in the Reserve Bank's statement today.
Speaker 2: The only problem was the actual Reserve Bank governor, as
Speaker 2: you know, said it's not Orange Man. Instead, it's domestic
Speaker 2: reasons as to why interest rates did not fall repeat,
Speaker 2: the boss of the Reserve Bank, who was in the
Speaker 2: room watching the meeting making her own decision, coming out
Speaker 2: to explain the decision not to drop interestrates, said it
Speaker 2: was domestic, not Orange mad bad as the reason why
Speaker 2: interest rates have not fallen.
Speaker 10: We are not keeping interest rates high just in case.
Speaker 10: We're not doing that. We are reacting to the domestic data,
Speaker 10: domestic inflation data and the employment data and trying to
Speaker 10: find our way through it.
Speaker 2: But a day later, the deputy Reserve Bank governor was
Speaker 2: putting in his job application to be the next Reserve
Speaker 2: Bank governor.
Speaker 1: Why because he said.
Speaker 2: Version of in the Turmbul Times that the RBA deputy
Speaker 2: governor warns of Brexit scale impact as Trump threatens two
Speaker 2: hundred percent tariffs on foreign pharmaceuticals. So the boss says
Speaker 2: it's not domestic. The bloke who presumably would likely be
Speaker 2: boss one day says it is domestic. The people who
Speaker 2: will decide whom the next governor of the Reserve Bank
Speaker 2: is will of course be the current people running the
Speaker 2: domestic economy badly, as I say, Hence why I think
Speaker 2: that might be a slight job interview, believe it or not.
Speaker 2: I want to talk about footy, and specifically I want
Speaker 2: to talk about the Melbourne Cricket ground here, okay, Now,
Speaker 2: strange little decision seems to be made there where Look,
Speaker 2: we've all gone to the cricket, we've all gone to
Speaker 2: the footy, and I've had the opportunity to see it
Speaker 2: from the hilt of the private boxes to the.
Speaker 1: Members Area's swish, right swish.
Speaker 2: But it's also very expensive to be a member of
Speaker 2: the mcc to be a member of the MCG. But
Speaker 2: it seems like there are a few people that are
Speaker 2: rather annoyed the bogans are making their way into the
Speaker 2: rarefied air. Now, this is what we believe to be
Speaker 2: a scientific image that we got out of AI as
Speaker 2: to what a bogan looks like personally by the corks.
Speaker 2: If the beer is a coke cigar. On the other hand,
Speaker 2: that's me on the weekend.
Speaker 1: But still, and it will be for the next couple
Speaker 1: of weeks.
Speaker 2: The problem is is that basically there are a bunch
Speaker 2: of members who do not like the idea that the
Speaker 2: person who buys a membership is handing their ticket to
Speaker 2: somebody else because they're not going to the footy or
Speaker 2: the cricket that weekend. And apparently some people have been
Speaker 2: a little bit too disruptive. So therefore there is a
Speaker 2: plan here that the member card can only be used
Speaker 2: by that person who is the member. No more people
Speaker 2: being able to get in on somebody else's seat. Now
Speaker 2: we'll see what happens because the members will have to
Speaker 2: vote on this in the next little while. And maybe
Speaker 2: if you are a member of the MCG, you can
Speaker 2: explain to me exactly why this needs to happen. But
Speaker 2: last time I checked, this is what I think happens.
Speaker 2: It's really expensive to be a member of the SCG.
Speaker 2: The Gabba Opta Stadium in Perth adelaide oval, I've left
Speaker 2: anyone out, You get my point right, And you can't
Speaker 2: go to every single thing that's on cost. Thankfully, there's
Speaker 2: lots of stuff that's on So why not give a
Speaker 2: ticket to a friend, give a ticket to a family member.
Speaker 2: Now if that family member carries on like a galut,
Speaker 2: then okay, that person gets booted out, but it shouldn't
Speaker 2: be no right of you as the owner of the ticket,
Speaker 2: and it's your seat, presumably yours and another because that's
Speaker 2: what you end up doing, your seats for the entirety
Speaker 2: of the year, for you to do with what you want. Again,
Speaker 2: doesn't mean randos can just come in, sit down with
Speaker 2: a voover zella and start making noise. It doesn't mean
Speaker 2: you can turn up in a man cainy or a
Speaker 2: g string. I understand you may need to find a
Speaker 2: collared shirt, but the idea that the wrong people are
Speaker 2: making it.
Speaker 1: Into the members please goodness me.
Speaker 2: But we'll all find out what happens in the next
Speaker 2: little while. Again, wouldn't a simple system be So let's
Speaker 2: imagine I've got members tickets at the GABA. I can't
Speaker 2: go right, So I say to you, hey, you know
Speaker 2: you're doing anything this weekend?
Speaker 1: No, it's cool.
Speaker 2: And then I just go into a system and write
Speaker 2: in the name of the people who's sitting in my seat. Surely, right,
Speaker 2: is that possible? We'll find out together? Oh yeah, And finally,
Speaker 2: have you ever sat in a meeting? And I've never?
Speaker 2: I mean I love every meeting I've ever sat in
Speaker 2: may be very clear win?
Speaker 1: Could he win? Wink win?
Speaker 2: But you know, sometimes you sit in a meeting and
Speaker 2: go and like Tony Soprano once said to his sister,
Speaker 2: wrap it up janas well. Donald Trump was in one
Speaker 2: of those meetings.
Speaker 1: Today.
Speaker 2: He was in a meeting with a world leader that
Speaker 2: was from Africa, and he kind of told him to
Speaker 2: hurry up.
Speaker 1: I've got to go somewhere else. Wouldn't you love to
Speaker 1: do this in a meeting? God love him? Have I looked?
Speaker 11: But I appreciate it very much. I appreciate it. Maybe
Speaker 11: we're going to have to go a little bit quicker
Speaker 11: than this because we have a whole schedule. If I
Speaker 11: could just say, it's you know, and your country would
Speaker 11: be great, thank you please.
Speaker 1: With regard Trump very polite and I get it. It's
Speaker 1: everyone taking their big moment in the sun.
Speaker 2: I wonder if that's what Albo will do when he
Speaker 2: meets the Chinese for the fourth time in a six
Speaker 2: day visit.
Speaker 1: To China the next few days. Quick break back.
Speaker 2: We wore Broman Bishop's on the Show to Night, Megan
Speaker 2: Kelly's on the Show to Night. We're just getting started
Speaker 2: and I'd love to know you think the winner and
Speaker 2: loser of the weekend, sending him Paul at sky news
Speaker 2: dot com dot au Haggard's a Thursday night in austraight.
Speaker 1: I want to see so nice to see her.
Speaker 2: She's always the carryover champ, the one, the only, the incredible.
Speaker 2: Broman Bishop, loved to see you again, my friend. Welcome
Speaker 2: back to the man Cave. Maggie Forrest is somebody that
Speaker 2: we met along the way during the election campaign which
Speaker 2: he was running for the LMP in the seat of Ryan.
Speaker 2: But we just want to keep her going, keep her going.
Speaker 2: She's a good lawyer and a good freethinker as well.
Speaker 2: Love to see you, Maggie. All right, let's get to
Speaker 2: the Prime Minister heading off to China. He will be
Speaker 2: there for the next six days or so.
Speaker 1: Bromin.
Speaker 2: What I find amazing about this is not just about
Speaker 2: the comparison to the lack of chat in the United States,
Speaker 2: although some people are trying to get very excited about it.
Speaker 2: I think five minute chat at a golf club that
Speaker 2: Kevin rutten Ma will have had, where no doubt the
Speaker 2: president was saying what you just said to the African leader,
Speaker 2: which is okay, Yeah, I know about you, But hurry up,
Speaker 2: what's the question you want.
Speaker 1: To ask me?
Speaker 2: All right, the eleven minutes was just the introduction. But
Speaker 2: what do you think about either the need for or
Speaker 2: the emphasis on the Prime Minister going to China and
Speaker 2: not just for a couple of days, They're for the
Speaker 2: best part of a week.
Speaker 12: I think that Alberan Easy is in the thrall of China,
Speaker 12: and by that I mean there is undue influence some
Speaker 12: would say control. We've seen a whole history where China
Speaker 12: seems to be mapping where all the cables are that
Speaker 12: link us to the rest of the world. Service personnel,
Speaker 12: we see nothing. We're eedging away from the United States
Speaker 12: and pivoting more to China. And now there's talk about
Speaker 12: opening the Free Trade Agreement to allow AI technology and
Speaker 12: a whole which terrifies the living daylights out of me.
Speaker 1: Understandable, I mean, this is.
Speaker 12: The Communist Party of China we're talking about. We're not
Speaker 12: talking about the Chinese people current. We're talking about the
Speaker 12: Communist Party of China. And there is conversation in blogs
Speaker 12: and influences in China itself talking about is Australia the
Speaker 12: next Taiwan and it's richer than Taiwan and is very
Speaker 12: poorly defended. Why are we your next frat?
Speaker 2: Well again, it's this thing where Maggie again. I don't
Speaker 2: want to go back in time too much, but we
Speaker 2: heard Susan Lee this week coming out and saying that
Speaker 2: Liberal Party needed to reposition itself into how this conversation
Speaker 2: is happening because it's being misinterpreted by some it's being
Speaker 2: weaponized by others. As who was knocking on doors again,
Speaker 2: you would no doubt agree with all of the national
Speaker 2: security staff that all of us agree with, all of
Speaker 2: us understand and discuss right now right But in practical terms,
Speaker 2: how often is being critical of the CCP in Australia
Speaker 2: re weaponize to go back on a candidate to say
Speaker 2: that somehow you're being anti Chinese people here, when of
Speaker 2: course you're not.
Speaker 13: Paul, it wasn't really coming up as I knocked on
Speaker 13: doors in Ryan at all. I think that the comparison
Speaker 13: between our current relationship with China and our current relationship
Speaker 13: with our ally the United States is significant. That was
Speaker 13: something on people's minds. We know that the Prime Minister
Speaker 13: has already met with President she and yet hasn't been
Speaker 13: able to secure a meeting with President Trump. And of course,
Speaker 13: while our trade relationship with China is crucial and in
Speaker 13: the coalition, we absolutely appreciate that there are real pressing
Speaker 13: issues to sort out with our ally the United States,
Speaker 13: with August under review, with the tariff coming in. I
Speaker 13: don't understand how a current government can stand up and
Speaker 13: say they're fighting against these tariffs when they can't even
Speaker 13: get a meeting.
Speaker 2: Very fair point, but of course, in many ways I
Speaker 2: mean literally a productivity commission this week, not the most
Speaker 2: recent ones, but the first round of tariffs. We're turning
Speaker 2: around saying, well, maybe it ends up being a bit
Speaker 2: of a wash. So in many ways the Primister wins
Speaker 2: either way, right that big bad United States or the
Speaker 2: impact of it not being as bad as it seems.
Speaker 1: But we will see. All right, let's talk.
Speaker 2: About as you call it, the snake charmer, and rightly so,
Speaker 2: I have mainstreamed it this part of the desk as well.
Speaker 1: I will take it on from here as well.
Speaker 2: Of course, the Treasurer and we learned today sort of
Speaker 2: this byzantine attempt to find a new way to tax people.
Speaker 1: What do you think of this?
Speaker 12: I am so critical and I'm so angry about this,
Speaker 12: and I said as a lawyer, I said as a
Speaker 12: former parliamentarian, and I said as an Australian, where we
Speaker 12: need to know precisely what the tax laws are.
Speaker 1: Correct.
Speaker 12: Now, this is called Henry the eighth Clause because it
Speaker 12: was the Parliament allowed the eighth and fifteen thirty one
Speaker 12: to in fact make decrees that overruled.
Speaker 1: Act of Parliament.
Speaker 12: Now, what Henry the eighth Clause does here is it
Speaker 12: allows the executives, the minister to actually change the legislation
Speaker 12: and overall it it is a very damaging. It is.
Speaker 12: It is the sort of thing that is not illegal.
Speaker 12: It can be there. It is being upheld by the
Speaker 12: High Court, but it must be attached to a head
Speaker 12: of power. And there's been other arbiter in judgments which
Speaker 12: have said it can't go too far and be unconstitutional.
Speaker 12: But it is supposed to be very rarely used, but
Speaker 12: it is becoming more frequent. And define it in tax
Speaker 12: legislation is absolutely abhorrent, absolutely abhorrent, because it says he
Speaker 12: can make distinctions between individuals, He can declare whether or
Speaker 12: not someone is in a particular type of fund. He
Speaker 12: can in fact stretch the lip and the Greens is
Speaker 12: being pointed out in the articles today can agree with
Speaker 12: it to say okay, we're literal legislation through, but it's
Speaker 12: got to be indexed, and he'll say, right, I'll agree
Speaker 12: to that. Then of course he could just come by
Speaker 12: by regulation and change it. Now, when I was a minister,
Speaker 12: I was always very concerned when I signed a regulation
Speaker 12: because immediately my signature went on it, it became law. Yes,
Speaker 12: it was subject to it could be disallowed by either house,
Speaker 12: but that's a protected period and it remains in law
Speaker 12: while that process.
Speaker 2: Is And if you've got the numbers, if you've got
Speaker 2: the numbers to be the government, then you're not going
Speaker 2: to be knocked over by the House. If you've got
Speaker 2: a path through the Senate, you're not going to get
Speaker 2: knocked back. That's the whole point.
Speaker 12: That's the whole point. So it is egregiously, it really is.
Speaker 12: And when I've called him the snake charmer, he's an
Speaker 12: illusionist and he's pretended that this is modest and it's
Speaker 12: okay because it's only going to affect eighty thousand people
Speaker 12: half a million by the time people retire, and it
Speaker 12: is young people who ought to be screaming from the
Speaker 12: rooftops because they'll be the ones who will really be hit.
Speaker 12: The snake charmer says, Oh, a future government may change
Speaker 12: it once it's embedded in and it's part of the
Speaker 12: tax take and whatever, you know, the way it goes.
Speaker 2: Well, look, I mean again, look at cigarette taxes, right,
Speaker 2: you know, very clearly, very obviously you know they want
Speaker 2: rid of it, right, they want written no more smoking.
Speaker 2: But but but it's just an easy way to ratchet
Speaker 2: things up, all right, Yeah, absolutely, Maggie. Just to something
Speaker 2: else though, I want to talk about the CFMU and
Speaker 2: a report which has come out about the CFMMEU which
Speaker 2: is pretty amazing. Right, this is not just in the
Speaker 2: daily telegrapple that was led by the Corea malt they're
Speaker 2: reporting today Gada to christ and his team in Brisbane,
Speaker 2: who may be putting the b paperbed right now, bullets,
Speaker 2: coffins and abuse the CFM. He used, rain of terror
Speaker 2: exposed to damning report. Among the most shocking findings was
Speaker 2: a litany of vile threats, including officials telling people we
Speaker 2: know where you live. There's a bullet with your name
Speaker 2: on it, a public servant locked in a cupboard and
Speaker 2: a young woman who was harassed at her gym over
Speaker 2: her father's role in a workplace health and safety inspector.
Speaker 2: This is something the Queensland government is going hot and
Speaker 2: hard out and rightly sight.
Speaker 13: Yes, it was absolutely disturbing to read some of the
Speaker 13: revelations in this report today, Paul, but perhaps not surprising
Speaker 13: for a whole lot of Queenslanders. We know that over
Speaker 13: the last almost decade in Queensland, Labor of a light
Speaker 13: on the CFMAU. They're one of their largest donors. It
Speaker 13: begs the question how long have Labor been running a
Speaker 13: protection racket for one of their biggest donors. And I
Speaker 13: really praised David Christop fully and Jared Blay and their
Speaker 13: government for standing up to this sort of behavior and
Speaker 13: working to stamp it out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we have a little segment here, a
Speaker 2: little highlight of what the.
Speaker 1: Deputy Prens had said. In fact, we don't all show
Speaker 1: it to you.
Speaker 2: Perhaps at another time let's talk about the anti semitism
Speaker 2: stuff that happened today with the Prime Minister and again
Speaker 2: you know, partial personal credit because yes he was standing
Speaker 2: with the antisemitism void, taking a report but.
Speaker 1: Not committing to anything in it.
Speaker 2: And you know the theatricals of politics as best as anyone,
Speaker 2: which is, if you're going to stand next to somebody
Speaker 2: issuing a report, you're giving it a certain level of credibility.
Speaker 2: If you are wanting to show action, you're going to say, look,
Speaker 2: we'll accept all of the findings, some of the findings,
Speaker 2: one of the findings. But the Prime Minister says, now,
Speaker 2: I'm ade it very clear about what I think this
Speaker 2: is really going to be, which is this is just
Speaker 2: going to be one ingredient in an overall.
Speaker 12: Absolutely, I absolutely agree with your editorial one hundred percent Godlin,
Speaker 12: because there is no commitment for this man to in
Speaker 12: fact a raise anti Semitism from our culture. And the
Speaker 12: really damaging thing is is that it might seep into
Speaker 12: the culture and become tolerated, and that can be allowed
Speaker 12: to occur. It is not part of the Australian ethos
Speaker 12: and it must not be allowed to become part of
Speaker 12: the Australian ethos. And so the parts of the report
Speaker 12: that I think outstanding are greater concentration on people seeking visas.
Speaker 12: If you have these views, sorry you can't come. I
Speaker 12: think where you've got charities who use their tax deductibility
Speaker 12: status to promote this sort of thing. They should lose it.
Speaker 12: Funding for cultural bodies from people like used to call
Speaker 12: the Australia Council whatever it's called for now, But basically
Speaker 12: those sorts of things should not occur. Universities are a
Speaker 12: much more difficult issue that needs far more consideration. But
Speaker 12: there are people in there who are preaching this sort
Speaker 12: of stuff to students, which is unacceptable. So I think
Speaker 12: there was a lack of commitment by the Prime Minister today.
Speaker 12: It was just flapping the lips again and your term
Speaker 12: each way elbow. You'll have a bit of this and
Speaker 12: a bit of that. And the most damaging thing you
Speaker 12: could do is to criminalize eighteen C.
Speaker 1: And this is the thing.
Speaker 2: This is again nobody's sitting here arguing for the right
Speaker 2: to vilify, right, But about that. If we're going to
Speaker 2: we're going to move to a system which I know
Speaker 2: has been introducing places like Victoria. What's the definition who
Speaker 2: polices this stuff? This is all the stuff that remember
Speaker 2: was part censoring the Internet or I got thirty seconds here,
Speaker 2: So Maggie, you're win or a loser of the week place.
Speaker 13: Well, the winner's got to be Queensland in the origin
Speaker 13: congratulations and the loser's got to be thanksful. Loser's got
Speaker 13: to be the prime minister who can't get a meeting
Speaker 13: with the President of the United States.
Speaker 1: I'm with you, Bromin.
Speaker 3: The winner.
Speaker 12: Is fossil fuels because after TRUYMP to Dig Baby Dig,
Speaker 12: right across the world, people are increasing their use and
Speaker 12: acknowledging the world cannot get by with it fossil fuels.
Speaker 12: The loser is CSL because there is no voice in
Speaker 12: the United States loving for them and speaking on their
Speaker 12: behalf to say you need our vaccines, we need to
Speaker 12: be able to produce them here and two hundred percent
Speaker 12: taff is absolutely unaccepted.
Speaker 1: Good point. Thank you so much, Broman, Thank you. Maggie'll
Speaker 1: see you again very soon.
Speaker 2: The one of them, Meghan Kelly speaking of powerful, strong
Speaker 2: and independent women. She's on the show right after this
Speaker 2: our favorite time of the week to talk to our
Speaker 2: favorite person in the world, the one, the only, the
Speaker 2: incredible Meghan Kelly kicking ass on YouTube. You can hear
Speaker 2: on Serious XM get Her podcast. But she is the
Speaker 2: queen who joins the seation every week here on Paul
Speaker 2: Murray Live.
Speaker 1: How are your rockstar?
Speaker 4: I'm great. I'm so great. I'm loving the summer, and
Speaker 4: the news cycle is insane.
Speaker 2: I want to start off with what I think is
Speaker 2: just a spectacular gift the United States government is giving
Speaker 2: the rest of the world, and of course it's citizens,
Speaker 2: which is you don't have to take your shoes off
Speaker 2: anymore when you go to the airport.
Speaker 1: Now as a person who you know it.
Speaker 2: Has traveled much for work for private life, thank god,
Speaker 2: because I know there was the shoe bomber. But now
Speaker 2: that we've done the shoes, do we still have to
Speaker 2: take off our belts? Because I've never in the history
Speaker 2: since nine to eleven heard of how my belt is
Speaker 2: somehow going to bring down applying.
Speaker 3: That's a good point.
Speaker 4: And let's just talk about the liquids, the four ounce
Speaker 4: liquid restriction. That, honestly is there a big contingent of
Speaker 4: people who want to bring a bomb on an airplane,
Speaker 4: but then they don't because there's a four ounce limit.
Speaker 4: They don't just use four ounces of the mini size
Speaker 4: and the Johnson's baby shampoo and then a second four ounce,
Speaker 4: Like if you really want to bring down the plane
Speaker 4: via a liquid bomb, I think you would just comply
Speaker 4: with the four ounce thing, and you have multiple four
Speaker 4: ounce liquids like you're allowed to.
Speaker 3: This is so.
Speaker 4: Ridiculous what we've been doing since nine to eleven. Some
Speaker 4: of the security measures made sense. This one makes no sense.
Speaker 4: And this shoes thing, not only is it a pain
Speaker 4: in the butt.
Speaker 3: But it's disgusting. It's like the.
Speaker 4: Bottom of people's shoes go into the same bin that
Speaker 4: then you have to put your jacket in, or the
Speaker 4: sweater you're wearing in, or your child's item in your
Speaker 4: purse which goes over your shoulder. I mean, like, this
Speaker 4: is none of this makes any sense. We we've been
Speaker 4: doing it now for twenty years. That Richard Reeve thing,
Speaker 4: the British citizen who tried to bring down a plane
Speaker 4: with his shoe of an explosive in his shoe, was.
Speaker 3: Two thousand and six.
Speaker 4: And finally they're talking sense within the Trump administration. The
Speaker 4: head of Transportation, Sean Duffy actually said they did a
Speaker 4: survey like what's the most annoying thing to you about traveling?
Speaker 4: And the number one answer was TSA, which is the
Speaker 4: organization that makes you take.
Speaker 3: Off your shoes, et cetera.
Speaker 4: Another point on that, here's the other problem with TSA,
Speaker 4: and it's not just our TSA in America, it's global,
Speaker 4: especially over in Europe, places like France. I've been through
Speaker 4: it many times. These people are on a power trip.
Speaker 4: Everybody listening to me knows that I am right. We've
Speaker 4: all been harassed by these people who have a modicum
Speaker 4: of power, who get drunk on.
Speaker 3: It and really just want.
Speaker 4: To punish you as you go through TSA for no reason,
Speaker 4: Like my son had a like it was a five
Speaker 4: ounce mini but not many enough toothpaste tube.
Speaker 3: This is my eleven year old.
Speaker 4: They're like no, Like, yes, you've caught us. I, Megan Kelly,
Speaker 4: a public figure, am smuggling bombs through my eleven year
Speaker 4: old son's five.
Speaker 3: Ounce toothpaste tube. Great job, great job TSA.
Speaker 1: Let's a bit of a difference state thing because I
Speaker 1: don't buy it. Sorry, I don't buy it. Right.
Speaker 2: I know you're not a conspiracy person. I'm not a
Speaker 2: conspiracy person, but there is always that one story that
Speaker 2: we have read too much about. And I've read too
Speaker 2: much about this story to believe nothing.
Speaker 4: To see here, it's very sketchy, and look, here's the truth. Bongino,
Speaker 4: who I really love as a friend and Patel, who
Speaker 4: I also respect, were among the biggest promoters of the
Speaker 4: Epstein conspiracy theory stuff. I mean, one of the reasons
Speaker 4: this has such sway on the right is because of
Speaker 4: those two and what they said about Epstein prior to
Speaker 4: joining the FBI. And that's a fair point to make too.
Speaker 4: Once joining the FBI, they've not been touting this at all,
Speaker 4: and they had different responsibilities and they had different access
Speaker 4: than the rest of us. But it must be said
Speaker 4: that one of the reasons that many people on the
Speaker 4: right in particular have doubts about the official Epstein's story
Speaker 4: is because guys like those two, who we love and respected,
Speaker 4: were telling us all along there's no way there isn't
Speaker 4: something more to this, whether it's connections to intel masade,
Speaker 4: people like Bill Gates, are they getting covered up for?
Speaker 4: Like okay, so they bear some responsibility for the fact
Speaker 4: that people are so reluctant to leave them now. But
Speaker 4: I really do put the blame for this recent development
Speaker 4: on Pam Bondi because there's been no one more than
Speaker 4: Pam Bondi since taking office, since being on the inside
Speaker 4: of the administration, where whatever you say has a lot
Speaker 4: more sway than you as a podcaster. She's been dangling
Speaker 4: little carrots in front of us, And now I'm looking
Speaker 4: back thinking, was she just trying to be popular?
Speaker 3: Was she just trying to sound like a cool kid who.
Speaker 4: Like, I've got all the gossip, I've got the burn book,
Speaker 4: and I'll tell you who's in it. I don't know
Speaker 4: what she was doing, but she is on camera repeatedly.
Speaker 4: It's not just that one interview with Fox News' John
Speaker 4: Roberts where she says she's got the client list on
Speaker 4: her desk, repeatedly touting the big reveal, then expressing indignation
Speaker 4: that documents have been unfairly unjustly withheld from her by
Speaker 4: the evil FBI, and then explaining what she was going
Speaker 4: to do to get to the bottom of the FBI's withholding,
Speaker 4: that she was conducting a big sort of raid where
Speaker 4: she was sending a truck she was going to get
Speaker 4: all the document, none of which appears to have been true.
Speaker 4: Nothing nothing, I mean nothing's as far as I know,
Speaker 4: gone to her since March. So we've had March, April, May, June,
Speaker 4: July for her to finally work up the nerve to
Speaker 4: tell us there's absolutely no there there, and not even
Speaker 4: tell us a paper statement two pages leak to a
Speaker 4: left leaning media outlet that they knew would not kick
Speaker 4: the tires on this.
Speaker 3: That's pathetic. It doesn't work.
Speaker 4: And she in particular, having gone on camera, and you
Speaker 4: know how it is in journalism, Paul, if you say
Speaker 4: something wrong or commit a sin on camera with your audience,
Speaker 4: there is only one real way of fixing it, and
Speaker 4: it's in the exact same forum in which you committed
Speaker 4: the sin to begin with.
Speaker 3: You've got to put your big boy pants on.
Speaker 4: You go back on camera, you look at the same audience,
Speaker 4: and you say, I screwed up. You don't fix it
Speaker 4: via tweet or an insta and in her case, you
Speaker 4: don't fix it via an unsigned two page document that
Speaker 4: you give to a CEOs where no one can ask
Speaker 4: you questions about it. So yesterday at the cabinet meeting
Speaker 4: she was asked one question, she spewed a bunch of
Speaker 4: verbal diarrhea, which only made it worse. And now they
Speaker 4: want to declare case closed. No, I mean, with all
Speaker 4: due respect, we the people will decide when his case closed.
Speaker 3: And we're not there.
Speaker 2: One hundred percent. Thank you, Megan we'll see you again
Speaker 2: next week. That is our show, not actually not done right.
Speaker 2: In fact, in a moment or two is Tom. I
Speaker 2: gotta tell you about a beautiful little moment when it
Speaker 2: was hands across the water, a lovely moment of people getting.
Speaker 1: Together to help a shop that they like out. Then
Speaker 1: it'll be the end of the show and time for
Speaker 1: the light debate.
Speaker 2: All right, before I leave for the weekend, let me
Speaker 2: tell you a cool little story comes out of Melbourne.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 2: There is a bookshop in Melbourne which is moving from
Speaker 2: one side.
Speaker 1: Of the street to the other.
Speaker 2: It's called the Hill of Content bookshop. They are moving
Speaker 2: from one bit of Burke Street to another bit of
Speaker 2: Burke Street. But being a bookshop, what have they got
Speaker 2: a lot of books? How the heck do you move
Speaker 2: that many books? Well, really cool thing happened today. The
Speaker 2: customers of the bookshop turned up in their hundreds and
Speaker 2: they made a human chain and they one by one
Speaker 2: moved the books, which I thought was really cute. Now again,
Speaker 2: you know, I'm sure that lady watches us each and
Speaker 2: every night, but you get my point, right, I think
Speaker 2: it's a cool idea. Here is part of what happened today,
Speaker 2: I wanted to help our.
Speaker 4: Our institution that behaviors.
Speaker 3: I think I was.
Speaker 4: Really attracting both of the old school idea of just
Speaker 4: passing for help. I just feel like it's talking as
Speaker 4: much as secret, and it's lovely to see people just
Speaker 4: do something together, like for not a person benefits.
Speaker 3: We can play life.
Speaker 1: Before old school idea.
Speaker 2: No, I can't move the books for you. Physical humans
Speaker 2: need to do it, and in this case it was them.
Speaker 2: I really like, congrats to everyone involved. That's our show
Speaker 2: for tonight. We'll see you again in a couple of weeks.
Speaker 2: In the meantime, James Morrow and Daneka to Georgio will
Speaker 2: hold the Ford.
Speaker 1: Go Yankees, go Tigers. See you soon.