WEBVTT - Paul Murray Live | 10 July

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<v Speaker 1>From the Sky News Center. This is Paul Murray Live.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, Shary, what a show we've got for you tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>Remember the only place on the strauling TV that you

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<v Speaker 2>will see the wonderful Meghan Kelly is here on Paul

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<v Speaker 2>Murray Live and tonight as always, she's turn it up

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<v Speaker 2>to eleven.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, you've caught us.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm Meghan Kelly, a public figure, am smuggling bombs through

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<v Speaker 4>my eleven year old son's five ounce toothpaste tube.

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<v Speaker 2>A good chat about the troubles of traveling when you

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<v Speaker 2>are as well known.

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<v Speaker 1>But also as normal as Meghan Kelly.

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<v Speaker 2>More in a moment on that, a reminder that we

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<v Speaker 2>are going to be in Mount Gambia in a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of weeks time. I'd love if you can join us.

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<v Speaker 2>If you can make it from anywhere in South Australia, please,

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<v Speaker 2>it would be great to see you. Lots of locals

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<v Speaker 2>are going to be there. But again, this is my

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<v Speaker 2>chance to tell you to join us in Mount Gambia,

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<v Speaker 2>not this, not next, but there one after the twenty

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<v Speaker 2>seventh Sunday, the twenty seventh. The tickets are free and

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<v Speaker 2>available to the viewers of this program. Outtown atskynews dot

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<v Speaker 2>com dot you spread the word and we will see

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<v Speaker 2>you in beautiful Mount Gambia. Now, before I get into

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<v Speaker 2>the super hard stuff, congratulations to the entire state of

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<v Speaker 2>Queensland who still has some sort of no doubt woke

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<v Speaker 2>up little bit dodgy this morning, the hangover would still

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<v Speaker 2>be going. Why why not after a massive win in

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<v Speaker 2>that state of origin. I'm not rubbing it into everyone

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<v Speaker 2>who's a Blues fan, but still, how incredible was this win?

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<v Speaker 2>You know all of the stories around, and if you

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<v Speaker 2>know rugby league, you know all of the ins and outs.

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<v Speaker 2>But what I love here is that there was a

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<v Speaker 2>good old fashioned photo. This I think is one of

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<v Speaker 2>their assistant coaches. Somebody snapped him with the trophy the

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<v Speaker 2>morning after.

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<v Speaker 1>And while footy is not the way it used to

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<v Speaker 1>be and their own party the way that.

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<v Speaker 2>It used to be, good to see that maybe a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of people who used to party still know how

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<v Speaker 2>to party. Congratulations to Cameron Munster, of course, what a night.

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<v Speaker 2>Just a couple of days ago, the Queensland captain, and

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<v Speaker 2>remember this started out with a different Queensland captain, but

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<v Speaker 2>the Queensland captain of course lost his father unbelievable. The

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<v Speaker 2>coach had also lost his father in the past twelve months,

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<v Speaker 2>and yep, they did it for their dads. What a

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<v Speaker 2>beautiful moment at all was, especially when they were cuddling

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<v Speaker 2>after the game. The coach, Billy Slater, a champion and

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<v Speaker 2>a legend of Queensland football, paid tribute to this new

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<v Speaker 2>generation who did something unbelievable and something that all of

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<v Speaker 2>us would love to be able to do for our dads, which.

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<v Speaker 1>Is to win in their honor.

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<v Speaker 5>The blake to my left, that's that's as courageous and

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<v Speaker 5>brave as I've ever seen. I don't know how he

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<v Speaker 5>did it, but within ten minutes of sitting with him

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<v Speaker 5>in his room on Sunday morning, he looked at me

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<v Speaker 5>and he said, Bill, on playing and I know he

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<v Speaker 5>wanted to.

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<v Speaker 1>I know his dad would have wanted him to.

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<v Speaker 5>And boy, that's one proud dad sitting up there watching

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<v Speaker 5>his boy tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>Lable, unbelievable, It didn't matter who you wanted to win.

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<v Speaker 2>All of us secretly happy that that's the way the

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<v Speaker 2>story ends in terms of football and this year. But

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<v Speaker 2>the reason I mentioned this all at the start of

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<v Speaker 2>the show is not just to enjoy a lovely moment

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<v Speaker 2>that millions of people watched. But just how sort of

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<v Speaker 2>the human versions of AI that must have a hot

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<v Speaker 2>take on everything, even have a hot take on the

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<v Speaker 2>emotion of Cameron Munster dealing with the death of his

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<v Speaker 2>father in recent days, Billy Slater dealing with the death

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<v Speaker 2>of his father in recent months. Now, I'm sure this

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<v Speaker 2>was all meant well, but also there's this sort of

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<v Speaker 2>snidness and a piece that appeared in The Guardian Surprise Surprise,

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<v Speaker 2>the turmbul Times today that kind of you know, bloke

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<v Speaker 2>sport is all fake emotion and all the blokes in

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<v Speaker 2>it sort of have got the tap turned off, and

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<v Speaker 2>you know this was finally a rare moment of masculinity

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<v Speaker 2>the way.

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<v Speaker 1>It should be.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, let me read, sport is often a proxy

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<v Speaker 2>for authentic human connection, especially for me. In bloody, big,

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<v Speaker 2>bloody tough, bloody blokes. It allows us to pat each

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<v Speaker 2>other on the bums in public, then sing secret songs

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<v Speaker 2>in private.

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<v Speaker 1>No, it's anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>It means performative masculinity and converting concussion and chronic traumatics

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<v Speaker 2>traumatic basically CTE apologies into clicks. We do all of

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<v Speaker 2>this without having to process our feelings or confront our fears,

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<v Speaker 2>and after a whole bunch of psychobabble, he gets to

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<v Speaker 2>two of the hardest, most resilient figures in the toughest competition,

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<v Speaker 2>in the fiercest sport in the world, have shown this

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<v Speaker 2>another way. So hug your friends, let them cry on

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<v Speaker 2>your shoulder. Everything's going to be okay again. I know

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<v Speaker 2>the point he's trying to make, but the sort of

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<v Speaker 2>all patronizing tone.

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<v Speaker 1>That before we get there.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyone who knows their regular history knows way back, way back,

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<v Speaker 2>way back, way back when footballers of he always cried

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<v Speaker 2>human emotion from Benny Alias with his mum on the

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<v Speaker 2>sidelines in the nineteen nineties, through more deeper public connections

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<v Speaker 2>like the one that we showed you a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>weeks ago with Danny Baderus, a former Origin captain, Australian Captain,

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<v Speaker 2>origin winner, Newcastle legend and his mate Mark Hughes and

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<v Speaker 2>their love and commitment to each other to try to

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<v Speaker 2>stop brain cancer with the beanies that they were selling

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<v Speaker 2>in Newcastle a couple of weeks ago. Women in League

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<v Speaker 2>Round is almost twenty years old. Rugby league players are

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<v Speaker 2>yes at a time maybe thirty years ago were forced

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<v Speaker 2>by pr departments to go and visit sick kids in hospitals.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'll be honest, even when they were being forced

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<v Speaker 2>to do it, even way back then, when times were

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<v Speaker 2>particularly tough and the language was particularly blue, and the

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<v Speaker 2>fights were very real, and everyone.

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<v Speaker 1>Loved the biff.

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<v Speaker 2>Back then, they all loved their families. They all love

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<v Speaker 2>each other, and blokes, contrary to the popular opinion of

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<v Speaker 2>perhaps the beta males amongst us, are actually really good

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<v Speaker 2>at sharing emotion. We're in a much different place in

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty five to where we were in the U

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<v Speaker 2>two thousand, litt Alone ninety five or seventy six, where

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<v Speaker 2>men of all ages cry, men of all ages take

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<v Speaker 2>care of each other, and men of all ages have

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<v Speaker 2>maximum sympathy.

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<v Speaker 1>For the men around us.

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<v Speaker 2>And again, I know what this bloke was trying to do,

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<v Speaker 2>which was trying to say that, rather than the book

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<v Speaker 2>Big Buffy, let's not talk about our emotions. We finally

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<v Speaker 2>had blokes that were talking about emotions. But I'll give

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<v Speaker 2>him the tip. Those of us that they assume are

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<v Speaker 2>too bogan to have emotions have emotions that are too

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<v Speaker 2>unwashed to care or to be considerate both of those things.

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<v Speaker 2>We love our mates, We love our brothers, we love

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<v Speaker 2>our teammates in whatever field of endeavor that we're in,

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<v Speaker 2>and we also love our women. And when I say

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<v Speaker 2>our women, I mean the women in our lives. We

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<v Speaker 2>would die for our friends, let alone our families, and

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<v Speaker 2>God forbid if anything happened to our kids. So yes,

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes we might say things that are a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>nine en eighties, we might laugh at things that are

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit nine nineties.

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<v Speaker 1>Blokes today, regardless of.

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<v Speaker 2>Who they are and what you think they look like,

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<v Speaker 2>are more connected to their hearts than ever before. And

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<v Speaker 2>if we can connect our hearts to our mate's hearts

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<v Speaker 2>and their families, then guess what more of us are

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<v Speaker 2>connected that are separated. And that's what matters most. So again,

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<v Speaker 2>congratulations to Queensland, congratulations to Cameron Mont's But again, the

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<v Speaker 2>lesson that he showed us all this one that obviously

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<v Speaker 2>none of us would want him to have had to do.

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<v Speaker 2>The fact that he and his teammates bandied together was

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<v Speaker 2>a beautiful thing, regardless of what the hot take industry is.

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<v Speaker 2>The next day, now to the madness of Melbourne of

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<v Speaker 2>the past couple of days, you know the garbage of

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<v Speaker 2>the fighting that was taking place in the restaurant.

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<v Speaker 1>We've talked about it. You know the story Uphill and

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<v Speaker 1>down Dale.

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<v Speaker 2>You also know that earlier in the week that far

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<v Speaker 2>right wing news outlet The Age was reporting the police

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<v Speaker 2>were being told not to confront protesters before this restaurant rampage.

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<v Speaker 2>Now we've had this before where other protests simply are well,

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<v Speaker 2>those people are probably going to overreact and basically we

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<v Speaker 2>treat them like a toddler, which is because they're going

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<v Speaker 2>to overreact, we don't interact. We just try to de escalate.

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<v Speaker 2>Rather than saying no, there is a line you've crossed

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<v Speaker 2>at you pale back of the divvan Well, the Victorian

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<v Speaker 2>Coalition is drawing a line saying that the types of

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<v Speaker 2>things that have been happening in Melbourn for two long

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<v Speaker 2>on one hundred different issues need to change and yes

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<v Speaker 2>you have a right to protest, but because other people

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<v Speaker 2>have ruined the fun, we need to introduce a system

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<v Speaker 2>similar to what is happening in New South Wales. Under

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<v Speaker 2>the proposed news of Weil style system, police command would

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<v Speaker 2>be in charge of protest registrations rather than local councils.

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<v Speaker 2>So you're going to have to tell the cops that

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<v Speaker 2>you are planning for you and whatever one hundred plus

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<v Speaker 2>two hundred plus mates, let alone thousands to turn up

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<v Speaker 2>at this time in this location, so the police know

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<v Speaker 2>what they're responding to, rather than ramping up in real time.

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<v Speaker 2>Organizers who register a protest and their attendees would be

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<v Speaker 2>protected from offenses such as obstruction or an unlawful assembly,

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<v Speaker 2>meaning yes, there is a legal right to do so. However,

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<v Speaker 2>those who father register of protest would run out the

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<v Speaker 2>risk of activists will run the risk of activists racking

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<v Speaker 2>up a string of charges and breaching strength and.

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<v Speaker 1>Move on laws. Good.

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<v Speaker 2>This is all common sense. It's not about the right

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<v Speaker 2>to protest. This is about when the protest goes too far.

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<v Speaker 2>Upgraded laws which were previously scraped by the former premier

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<v Speaker 2>Damiel Andrews will see protesters who refuse to move on

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<v Speaker 2>and disperse at unregistered protest face arrests on the spot.

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<v Speaker 2>So no more will there be police told not to

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<v Speaker 2>confront the protesters. Instead, again, if you just decide to

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<v Speaker 2>turn up and to cause trouble, and cause trouble does

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<v Speaker 2>not mean.

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<v Speaker 1>Challenge the system.

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<v Speaker 2>Man not talking about somebody who wants to offer an

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<v Speaker 2>unpopular opinion. I'm not talking about somebody who wants to

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<v Speaker 2>challenge the orthodoxy. I'm talking about the people who decide

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<v Speaker 2>to turn up and as part of doing all of

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<v Speaker 2>those things, the mixture of everything from blocking traffic which

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<v Speaker 2>has its flow on effects. Remember everyone in there, all

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<v Speaker 2>of those cars, it's got just as much a right

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<v Speaker 2>to move to where they need to go as you

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<v Speaker 2>have to stand there to protest through two holding people

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<v Speaker 2>more accountable for things that become not just disruptive but

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<v Speaker 2>just outright madness as we have seen of recent days.

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<v Speaker 1>Here is the Victorian opposition leader.

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<v Speaker 2>And for those that have been saying when will finally

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<v Speaker 2>the Victorian Libs draw a line and be different, Well,

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<v Speaker 2>this is the start of being different, and I say

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<v Speaker 2>well done.

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<v Speaker 6>We're going to say to people, if you register your

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<v Speaker 6>event the Victoria or the protest, the Victoria police can

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<v Speaker 6>work with you to make sure you've still got your

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<v Speaker 6>freedom of speech. It's just a matter of location. Are

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<v Speaker 6>they going down the same route every time? Is it

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<v Speaker 6>going to be safe? What police resources it keeps the

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<v Speaker 6>community safer?

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<v Speaker 2>Good on a good conversation with Peter Krevlin. Of course,

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<v Speaker 2>good to see her back on our Telly as well

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<v Speaker 2>as the lovely Sharry. We'll all come and go over

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<v Speaker 2>the next couple of weeks. But remember we are all

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<v Speaker 2>there all the time, regardless of who is in front

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<v Speaker 2>of the camera. We're all ready to fight for you

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<v Speaker 2>and the big issues of the day. Also great article

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<v Speaker 2>today in and around the Liberal Party and its future

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<v Speaker 2>with Peter That which is great read in the Australian.

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<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>Also worth noting here is that yes, the registration system

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<v Speaker 2>is a good idea, right because of all the things

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<v Speaker 2>I just said, but it's not perfect. Remember the nonsense

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<v Speaker 2>that happened at the Opera House a couple of days

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<v Speaker 2>after October the seventh was not a legal protest. There

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<v Speaker 2>was a protest that was about thirty minutes up the

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<v Speaker 2>road in town Hall. But because there were too many

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<v Speaker 2>people too if you police, they were able to march

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<v Speaker 2>their way down George Street, turn right at Circular Key

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<v Speaker 2>and well create that infamous moment, which remember at the

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<v Speaker 2>time police were saying.

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<v Speaker 1>Well there were too many of them. We didn't know

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<v Speaker 1>how to respond.

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<v Speaker 2>As best as I know, no one repeat, no one

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<v Speaker 2>was fined, fined in terms of the protest organizers. And

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<v Speaker 2>that's the issue here too, is that if there is

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<v Speaker 2>an organization that is putting a protest on and it devolves,

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<v Speaker 2>then they have to be held responsible, right they have

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<v Speaker 2>to say no, you don't get to run one for

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<v Speaker 2>a little while, or you're going to have to pay

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<v Speaker 2>a fine, or you're gonna have to put up some

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<v Speaker 2>sort of a bond if you are somebody who has

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<v Speaker 2>put on protests that get out of control like that.

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<v Speaker 2>And as you know, that particular incident in and around

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<v Speaker 2>the Opera House was the start of Australia starting to

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<v Speaker 2>choose the wrong way of dealing with things. In fairness,

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<v Speaker 2>the New South Wales premiere, well, he has maintained a

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<v Speaker 2>pretty heavy hand and certainly trying to hold up the

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<v Speaker 2>right of individuals to move about their business freely and

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<v Speaker 2>not to be intimidated by the people who choose to

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<v Speaker 2>use intimidation as a way of controlling the public conversation.

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<v Speaker 2>And there is credit where credit is due, but it's

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<v Speaker 2>not much credit, i must say. The Prime Minister, as

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<v Speaker 2>you know today has received the report of the Anti

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<v Speaker 2>Semitism Envoy.

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<v Speaker 1>It has many of.

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<v Speaker 2>The same recommendations that were done out of the Skinish

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<v Speaker 2>Anti Semitism summit, and I want to congratulate everyone who

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<v Speaker 2>put that together because the vast bulk of what was

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<v Speaker 2>in that particular session has now been put forward as

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<v Speaker 2>an idea to a government about how to deal with things. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>this in part was the Prime Minister.

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<v Speaker 7>Today anism any Semetism, any Semetism, any Semetism, anti Semitism,

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<v Speaker 7>any Semetis, any Semitism.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so he's starting to learn it, he's starting to

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<v Speaker 2>say it. But what is in the report, Well, cam

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<v Speaker 2>Redden from Canbra Bureau will tell you.

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<v Speaker 8>Border falls and migration officials understand the significance of the

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<v Speaker 8>issue and do their best to prevent antisemitism crossing Australia's border.

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<v Speaker 8>A number of other points in Gillian Siegel's plan include

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<v Speaker 8>a broadening of the school curriculum to include teaching about

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<v Speaker 8>modern antisemitism as well, not just looking historically, for example,

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<v Speaker 8>at the Holocaust and the aftermath of that as well.

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<v Speaker 8>She also says there will be a deliberate targeting to

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<v Speaker 8>combat some of the antisemitic hatred online, particularly on social media.

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<v Speaker 8>She also says she'll be keeping a close eye on

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<v Speaker 8>media reporting broadly, not just on social media, but on newspapers, television,

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<v Speaker 8>radio coverage. Two and try and reach out to identify

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<v Speaker 8>areas where she believes that there's either misinformation spread or

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<v Speaker 8>that there is not balance when covering some of these

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<v Speaker 8>sensitive issues.

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<v Speaker 1>But what do I say partial credit?

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<v Speaker 2>Why do I know that my giving of partial credit

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<v Speaker 2>will be used by the people who hate this station,

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<v Speaker 2>this program and you for watching it. Well, it's because,

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<v Speaker 2>of course the Prime Minister well said the right things

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<v Speaker 2>multiple times today. We stood there and received the report today,

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<v Speaker 2>but has not promised to do anything as a result

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<v Speaker 2>of the report. In fact, of all of the stuff

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<v Speaker 2>that they have heard in the past twenty four hours,

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<v Speaker 2>pay very close attention to the Prime Minister and his

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<v Speaker 2>level of commitment to all of those different things that

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<v Speaker 2>we've just explained some of the ideas to deal with

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<v Speaker 2>the heart of the problem.

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<v Speaker 7>Will now carefully consider the report recommendations.

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<v Speaker 2>The problem with governments carefully considering is that they've done

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<v Speaker 2>this before. Remember the Banking Royal Commission. Four fifths of

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<v Speaker 2>bug are all changed. Yes, everyone stood there and they

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<v Speaker 2>accepted it as well. We except most of the regulations,

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<v Speaker 2>nothing really changed. Remember the Veterans Affairs Royal Commission. When

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<v Speaker 2>I sat there and I read how many of the

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<v Speaker 2>different suggestions of these considered reports. Now, it doesn't mean

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<v Speaker 2>just because it's in a report everything should happen, but

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<v Speaker 2>to show your commitment to an issue. Generally speaking, a government,

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<v Speaker 2>when it receives a suggestion like this, will pick one

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<v Speaker 2>thing that they'll sort of automatically rub a stamp bang

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<v Speaker 2>good idea. And here's where I think a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>of the three card Monty shell game is going to

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<v Speaker 2>be played. I think that this government, and true to

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<v Speaker 2>its own form, is going to get a similar report

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<v Speaker 2>from lots of different communities. I'm talking about everything from sexuality,

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<v Speaker 2>to religion, to disability to you name it right, and

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<v Speaker 2>all of it is going to be put into a

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<v Speaker 2>giant pot to work out the overall way of deal

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<v Speaker 2>with hate. Now, whether that means we're going to turn

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<v Speaker 2>around and get new laws that will say you cannot

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<v Speaker 2>villify insert sixteen different groups. And while I do not

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<v Speaker 2>fight for the right to villify certain number of groups,

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<v Speaker 2>I do want somebody to tell me what the word

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<v Speaker 2>villify would mean in a legal sense. Is it up

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<v Speaker 2>to how offended the person who has been offended is

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<v Speaker 2>to decide how serious what it was. Is it up

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<v Speaker 2>to the activists to decide.

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<v Speaker 1>This was all of the.

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<v Speaker 2>Problem that was there with the censorship legislation when it

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<v Speaker 2>came to the Internet. So again, yes, great Prime Minister,

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<v Speaker 2>to talk half a step in the right direction, but

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<v Speaker 2>don't be surprised if being each way out about he

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<v Speaker 2>takes half a step in that direction, and that direction,

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<v Speaker 2>and that direction, and that direction, and that direction and

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<v Speaker 2>that direction, until a big ball of dealing with hate

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<v Speaker 2>is what is going to be coming out. And goodness

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<v Speaker 2>forbid anyone who wants to challenge any of the legal

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<v Speaker 2>definitions they're going to come up with, because you know

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<v Speaker 2>what they're going to be, like always with so many things,

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<v Speaker 2>it's going to be a mile wide the definition, and

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<v Speaker 2>the bar is going to be so low, so low,

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<v Speaker 2>that it will be up to the victim to decide

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<v Speaker 2>whether you meant to vilify or offend or.

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<v Speaker 1>Anything like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Watch this space stand by, we'll all learn together. I

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<v Speaker 2>hope to be wrong, but got a feeling on this one.

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<v Speaker 2>Probably not going to be.

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<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>One thing that Anthony Alberinezi, Anastasia Palochet, Daniel Andrews, Roger Cook,

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<v Speaker 2>all having common apart from being hardcore labor people is

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<v Speaker 2>that they are the people who, to their various governments,

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<v Speaker 2>has brought an absolute mantra of supercharging what I bang

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<v Speaker 2>on about as the triangle of dependence. This is when

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<v Speaker 2>you'll eventually always stay in power because you will end

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<v Speaker 2>up with more than a majority of the population who

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<v Speaker 2>either are on welfare, work for the government, or if

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<v Speaker 2>they're in private industry, their biggest client is the government.

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<v Speaker 2>And because nobody wants to rock the boat, everyone keeps

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<v Speaker 2>voting for them, and we end up with permanent labor governments.

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<v Speaker 2>Nick Cata writes about this at Skytnews dot com dot

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<v Speaker 2>a Youth Today, specifically when it comes to the size

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<v Speaker 2>of the public service.

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<v Speaker 1>Now we know we know what the result of the

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<v Speaker 1>election was.

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<v Speaker 2>I I know no one will ever take this cudgel up,

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<v Speaker 2>but it doesn't mean it's not something worth talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>Well done Nick for writing about this today. How Labour's

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<v Speaker 2>blooded public sector blob has sealed that Seal P. Dutt's

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<v Speaker 2>fate is spreading its tentacles deeper into taxpayers wallets. Let's

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<v Speaker 2>read together. The size of the public service workforce has

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<v Speaker 2>never been larger, nor its preference for labor governments stronger,

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<v Speaker 2>hence the triangle of dependence. The largest employer of public

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<v Speaker 2>servants is the Department of Social Services and its associated agencies,

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<v Speaker 2>where the number of employees has increased from just thirty

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<v Speaker 2>eight thousand and five years ago to forty eight thousand today.

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<v Speaker 2>Service delivery jobs has increased by just twenty eight percent

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<v Speaker 2>since twenty and nineteen. Administration jobs are up by seventy

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<v Speaker 2>four percent, so when they talk about front line workers,

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<v Speaker 2>administration jobs are up by seventy four percent. Portfolio, program

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<v Speaker 2>and project management positions have increased by one hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>fifty three percent, Strategic policy jobs they're up by one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and fifty four percent, and communications and marketing are

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<v Speaker 2>up by eighty nine percent. One last one, human resources

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<v Speaker 2>positions have risen by forty eight percent, confirming our worse

0:20:22.320 --> 0:20:26.520
<v Speaker 2>fears that more public servants are employed to essentially manage themselves.

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<v Speaker 2>If they keep voting labor and they keep slowly any

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<v Speaker 2>attempts to change the way they do, the triangle of

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<v Speaker 2>dependence only gets stronger. I like that metaphor because you

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<v Speaker 2>know how strong structurally a triangle is and how it

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<v Speaker 2>can enforce itself, which is exactly what happens here. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>let's talk about the worries a lot of people have

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<v Speaker 2>with childcare at the moment. Sadly, in the past couple

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<v Speaker 2>of days, another person has been charged in relation to

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<v Speaker 2>horrific abuses that have taken place at a ledge to

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<v Speaker 2>have taken place at childcare centers. We also know that

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of Australians have had really tough time talking

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<v Speaker 2>about this issue in the past few days, and I

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<v Speaker 2>understand why. So let me jump to the findings of

0:21:11.680 --> 0:21:14.280
<v Speaker 2>an opinion poll which starts to tell us about how

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<v Speaker 2>many of us do not feel particularly safe about the

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<v Speaker 2>way that childcare centers work in Australia. Unsurprisingly, after the events,

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<v Speaker 2>particularly what took place allegedly in Melbourne, most Australian support

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<v Speaker 2>male educators in a childcare in childcare, a pole has found.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's read these all together. Okay, I'm only going to

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<v Speaker 1>read the.

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<v Speaker 2>Disagrees Australia's childcare sector is generally safe for kids. Can

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<v Speaker 2>you believe seventeen percent of people seventeen percent of people

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<v Speaker 2>as a standing number before you get into anything.

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<v Speaker 1>Else, so that they're not safe? That's frightening.

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<v Speaker 2>Twenty five percent don't know, and I know not one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred percent of people have kids in childcare or have

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<v Speaker 2>had them at any recent time. Seventeen percent disagree childcare

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<v Speaker 2>centers should be run by governments or community not for

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<v Speaker 2>profit thirteen percent.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I'll give you the tip.

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<v Speaker 2>I think one of the great dreams Anthony Abernezi has

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<v Speaker 2>is universal childcare, and I think he would prefer it

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<v Speaker 2>to be run by the government sector. So essentially, government

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<v Speaker 2>run childcare, into government run schools, into government run universities.

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<v Speaker 2>And we all know what the ideological consequence of that's

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<v Speaker 2>going to be, So don't be surprised if that's where

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<v Speaker 2>we go over the many many years to come of

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<v Speaker 2>this government centers with all female staff will be safer

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<v Speaker 2>for kids.

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<v Speaker 1>Forty one percent.

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<v Speaker 2>Of people believe that to be the case. Just thirty

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<v Speaker 2>percent of people agree. Sorry, I should say thirty percent

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<v Speaker 2>of people agree that childcare centers with female staff are safer.

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<v Speaker 1>Than ones with both men and women.

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<v Speaker 2>The majority of disagreeing there at forty one but still

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<v Speaker 2>thirty percent of people or thirty people saying we should

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<v Speaker 2>make that change. I personally do not agree with that

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<v Speaker 2>particular change, but we'll all wait and see where that goes.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's talk about the Reserve Bank, because, as we know,

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<v Speaker 2>there was a little bit of surprise this week after

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<v Speaker 2>the Reserve Bank made its decision not to drop interest rates.

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<v Speaker 9>The Reserve Bank has defined market and economist expectations.

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<v Speaker 1>People are going to be very surprised here. A lot

0:23:08.400 --> 0:23:09.640
<v Speaker 1>of economists will be surprised.

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<v Speaker 2>Markets was shocked by today's Reserve Bank decision to leave

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<v Speaker 2>interest rates on hold. And we all know that despite

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<v Speaker 2>the Treasurer and the Prime Minister constantly saying that global uncertainty,

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<v Speaker 2>which is code for Trump, is the reason why interest

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<v Speaker 2>rates didn't go down.

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<v Speaker 9>The global uncertainty is really one of the defining influencers

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<v Speaker 9>on our economy at the moment.

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<v Speaker 7>We are living in a time of significant global uncertainty,

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<v Speaker 7>and that reaches beyond just economic instability.

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<v Speaker 9>That global environment is going to constrain us. It's going

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<v Speaker 9>to shape our choices. It's going to be such an

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<v Speaker 9>important influence and it's an important influence on monetary policies.

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<v Speaker 7>And secured the resilience of our economy. In a time

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<v Speaker 7>of global uncertainty.

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<v Speaker 9>People are still under pressure and the global environment is

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<v Speaker 9>so uncertain and some of that global uncertainty is also

0:23:59.760 --> 0:24:03.080
<v Speaker 9>recognized in the Reserve Bank's statement today.

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<v Speaker 2>The only problem was the actual Reserve Bank governor, as

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<v Speaker 2>you know, said it's not Orange Man. Instead, it's domestic

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<v Speaker 2>reasons as to why interest rates did not fall repeat,

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<v Speaker 2>the boss of the Reserve Bank, who was in the

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<v Speaker 2>room watching the meeting making her own decision, coming out

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<v Speaker 2>to explain the decision not to drop interestrates, said it

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<v Speaker 2>was domestic, not Orange mad bad as the reason why

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<v Speaker 2>interest rates have not fallen.

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<v Speaker 10>We are not keeping interest rates high just in case.

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<v Speaker 10>We're not doing that. We are reacting to the domestic data,

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<v Speaker 10>domestic inflation data and the employment data and trying to

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<v Speaker 10>find our way through it.

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<v Speaker 2>But a day later, the deputy Reserve Bank governor was

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<v Speaker 2>putting in his job application to be the next Reserve

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<v Speaker 2>Bank governor.

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<v Speaker 1>Why because he said.

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<v Speaker 2>Version of in the Turmbul Times that the RBA deputy

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<v Speaker 2>governor warns of Brexit scale impact as Trump threatens two

0:25:06.080 --> 0:25:11.160
<v Speaker 2>hundred percent tariffs on foreign pharmaceuticals. So the boss says

0:25:11.160 --> 0:25:14.399
<v Speaker 2>it's not domestic. The bloke who presumably would likely be

0:25:14.400 --> 0:25:16.680
<v Speaker 2>boss one day says it is domestic. The people who

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<v Speaker 2>will decide whom the next governor of the Reserve Bank

0:25:19.280 --> 0:25:21.679
<v Speaker 2>is will of course be the current people running the

0:25:21.720 --> 0:25:24.919
<v Speaker 2>domestic economy badly, as I say, Hence why I think

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<v Speaker 2>that might be a slight job interview, believe it or not.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to talk about footy, and specifically I want

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<v Speaker 2>to talk about the Melbourne Cricket ground here, okay, Now,

0:25:33.800 --> 0:25:36.120
<v Speaker 2>strange little decision seems to be made there where Look,

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<v Speaker 2>we've all gone to the cricket, we've all gone to

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<v Speaker 2>the footy, and I've had the opportunity to see it

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<v Speaker 2>from the hilt of the private boxes to the.

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<v Speaker 1>Members Area's swish, right swish.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's also very expensive to be a member of

0:25:46.080 --> 0:25:49.439
<v Speaker 2>the mcc to be a member of the MCG. But

0:25:49.520 --> 0:25:51.119
<v Speaker 2>it seems like there are a few people that are

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<v Speaker 2>rather annoyed the bogans are making their way into the

0:25:56.160 --> 0:25:58.359
<v Speaker 2>rarefied air. Now, this is what we believe to be

0:25:58.400 --> 0:26:01.119
<v Speaker 2>a scientific image that we got out of AI as

0:26:01.200 --> 0:26:04.160
<v Speaker 2>to what a bogan looks like personally by the corks.

0:26:05.119 --> 0:26:08.280
<v Speaker 2>If the beer is a coke cigar. On the other hand,

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<v Speaker 2>that's me on the weekend.

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<v Speaker 1>But still, and it will be for the next couple

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<v Speaker 1>of weeks.

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<v Speaker 2>The problem is is that basically there are a bunch

0:26:14.880 --> 0:26:17.679
<v Speaker 2>of members who do not like the idea that the

0:26:17.720 --> 0:26:20.600
<v Speaker 2>person who buys a membership is handing their ticket to

0:26:20.600 --> 0:26:22.480
<v Speaker 2>somebody else because they're not going to the footy or

0:26:22.520 --> 0:26:25.560
<v Speaker 2>the cricket that weekend. And apparently some people have been

0:26:25.600 --> 0:26:30.239
<v Speaker 2>a little bit too disruptive. So therefore there is a

0:26:30.280 --> 0:26:33.440
<v Speaker 2>plan here that the member card can only be used

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<v Speaker 2>by that person who is the member. No more people

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<v Speaker 2>being able to get in on somebody else's seat. Now

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<v Speaker 2>we'll see what happens because the members will have to

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<v Speaker 2>vote on this in the next little while. And maybe

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<v Speaker 2>if you are a member of the MCG, you can

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<v Speaker 2>explain to me exactly why this needs to happen. But

0:26:51.480 --> 0:26:53.600
<v Speaker 2>last time I checked, this is what I think happens.

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<v Speaker 2>It's really expensive to be a member of the SCG.

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<v Speaker 2>The Gabba Opta Stadium in Perth adelaide oval, I've left

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<v Speaker 2>anyone out, You get my point right, And you can't

0:27:05.680 --> 0:27:08.000
<v Speaker 2>go to every single thing that's on cost. Thankfully, there's

0:27:08.000 --> 0:27:10.800
<v Speaker 2>lots of stuff that's on So why not give a

0:27:10.840 --> 0:27:13.679
<v Speaker 2>ticket to a friend, give a ticket to a family member.

0:27:14.040 --> 0:27:16.560
<v Speaker 2>Now if that family member carries on like a galut,

0:27:16.600 --> 0:27:21.840
<v Speaker 2>then okay, that person gets booted out, but it shouldn't

0:27:21.880 --> 0:27:24.840
<v Speaker 2>be no right of you as the owner of the ticket,

0:27:24.960 --> 0:27:28.600
<v Speaker 2>and it's your seat, presumably yours and another because that's

0:27:28.640 --> 0:27:32.200
<v Speaker 2>what you end up doing, your seats for the entirety

0:27:32.240 --> 0:27:34.320
<v Speaker 2>of the year, for you to do with what you want. Again,

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't mean randos can just come in, sit down with

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<v Speaker 2>a voover zella and start making noise. It doesn't mean

0:27:41.760 --> 0:27:44.159
<v Speaker 2>you can turn up in a man cainy or a

0:27:44.200 --> 0:27:46.399
<v Speaker 2>g string. I understand you may need to find a

0:27:46.440 --> 0:27:49.960
<v Speaker 2>collared shirt, but the idea that the wrong people are

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<v Speaker 2>making it.

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<v Speaker 1>Into the members please goodness me.

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<v Speaker 2>But we'll all find out what happens in the next

0:27:55.600 --> 0:27:59.560
<v Speaker 2>little while. Again, wouldn't a simple system be So let's

0:27:59.560 --> 0:28:03.920
<v Speaker 2>imagine I've got members tickets at the GABA. I can't

0:28:03.920 --> 0:28:06.000
<v Speaker 2>go right, So I say to you, hey, you know

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<v Speaker 2>you're doing anything this weekend?

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<v Speaker 1>No, it's cool.

0:28:08.800 --> 0:28:10.560
<v Speaker 2>And then I just go into a system and write

0:28:10.600 --> 0:28:13.360
<v Speaker 2>in the name of the people who's sitting in my seat. Surely, right,

0:28:13.960 --> 0:28:18.480
<v Speaker 2>is that possible? We'll find out together? Oh yeah, And finally,

0:28:19.359 --> 0:28:21.240
<v Speaker 2>have you ever sat in a meeting? And I've never?

0:28:21.359 --> 0:28:22.960
<v Speaker 2>I mean I love every meeting I've ever sat in

0:28:23.080 --> 0:28:24.280
<v Speaker 2>may be very clear win?

0:28:24.280 --> 0:28:25.040
<v Speaker 1>Could he win? Wink win?

0:28:25.400 --> 0:28:26.760
<v Speaker 2>But you know, sometimes you sit in a meeting and

0:28:26.840 --> 0:28:31.159
<v Speaker 2>go and like Tony Soprano once said to his sister,

0:28:31.400 --> 0:28:34.600
<v Speaker 2>wrap it up janas well. Donald Trump was in one

0:28:34.600 --> 0:28:35.119
<v Speaker 2>of those meetings.

0:28:35.119 --> 0:28:35.399
<v Speaker 1>Today.

0:28:35.400 --> 0:28:36.760
<v Speaker 2>He was in a meeting with a world leader that

0:28:36.840 --> 0:28:40.440
<v Speaker 2>was from Africa, and he kind of told him to

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<v Speaker 2>hurry up.

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<v Speaker 1>I've got to go somewhere else. Wouldn't you love to

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<v Speaker 1>do this in a meeting? God love him? Have I looked?

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<v Speaker 11>But I appreciate it very much. I appreciate it. Maybe

0:28:52.920 --> 0:28:54.400
<v Speaker 11>we're going to have to go a little bit quicker

0:28:54.400 --> 0:28:58.560
<v Speaker 11>than this because we have a whole schedule. If I

0:28:58.560 --> 0:29:02.320
<v Speaker 11>could just say, it's you know, and your country would

0:29:02.360 --> 0:29:03.800
<v Speaker 11>be great, thank you please.

0:29:05.000 --> 0:29:09.960
<v Speaker 1>With regard Trump very polite and I get it. It's

0:29:10.000 --> 0:29:11.720
<v Speaker 1>everyone taking their big moment in the sun.

0:29:13.600 --> 0:29:15.160
<v Speaker 2>I wonder if that's what Albo will do when he

0:29:15.160 --> 0:29:17.520
<v Speaker 2>meets the Chinese for the fourth time in a six

0:29:17.640 --> 0:29:18.400
<v Speaker 2>day visit.

0:29:20.080 --> 0:29:22.200
<v Speaker 1>To China the next few days. Quick break back.

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<v Speaker 2>We wore Broman Bishop's on the Show to Night, Megan

0:29:24.440 --> 0:29:26.600
<v Speaker 2>Kelly's on the Show to Night. We're just getting started

0:29:26.600 --> 0:29:27.880
<v Speaker 2>and I'd love to know you think the winner and

0:29:27.960 --> 0:29:30.040
<v Speaker 2>loser of the weekend, sending him Paul at sky news

0:29:30.200 --> 0:29:32.479
<v Speaker 2>dot com dot au Haggard's a Thursday night in austraight.

0:29:32.600 --> 0:29:38.920
<v Speaker 1>I want to see so nice to see her.

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<v Speaker 2>She's always the carryover champ, the one, the only, the incredible.

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<v Speaker 2>Broman Bishop, loved to see you again, my friend. Welcome

0:29:44.200 --> 0:29:46.560
<v Speaker 2>back to the man Cave. Maggie Forrest is somebody that

0:29:46.600 --> 0:29:48.960
<v Speaker 2>we met along the way during the election campaign which

0:29:49.000 --> 0:29:50.960
<v Speaker 2>he was running for the LMP in the seat of Ryan.

0:29:51.560 --> 0:29:53.440
<v Speaker 2>But we just want to keep her going, keep her going.

0:29:53.480 --> 0:29:55.640
<v Speaker 2>She's a good lawyer and a good freethinker as well.

0:29:55.640 --> 0:29:58.280
<v Speaker 2>Love to see you, Maggie. All right, let's get to

0:29:58.320 --> 0:30:00.680
<v Speaker 2>the Prime Minister heading off to China. He will be

0:30:00.720 --> 0:30:04.280
<v Speaker 2>there for the next six days or so.

0:30:04.320 --> 0:30:04.680
<v Speaker 1>Bromin.

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<v Speaker 2>What I find amazing about this is not just about

0:30:07.480 --> 0:30:10.040
<v Speaker 2>the comparison to the lack of chat in the United States,

0:30:10.040 --> 0:30:12.640
<v Speaker 2>although some people are trying to get very excited about it.

0:30:12.920 --> 0:30:15.920
<v Speaker 2>I think five minute chat at a golf club that

0:30:16.240 --> 0:30:18.040
<v Speaker 2>Kevin rutten Ma will have had, where no doubt the

0:30:18.080 --> 0:30:20.000
<v Speaker 2>president was saying what you just said to the African leader,

0:30:20.000 --> 0:30:22.040
<v Speaker 2>which is okay, Yeah, I know about you, But hurry up,

0:30:22.040 --> 0:30:23.000
<v Speaker 2>what's the question you want.

0:30:22.880 --> 0:30:23.360
<v Speaker 1>To ask me?

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<v Speaker 2>All right, the eleven minutes was just the introduction. But

0:30:27.120 --> 0:30:30.120
<v Speaker 2>what do you think about either the need for or

0:30:30.160 --> 0:30:34.120
<v Speaker 2>the emphasis on the Prime Minister going to China and

0:30:34.160 --> 0:30:35.800
<v Speaker 2>not just for a couple of days, They're for the

0:30:35.800 --> 0:30:36.800
<v Speaker 2>best part of a week.

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<v Speaker 12>I think that Alberan Easy is in the thrall of China,

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<v Speaker 12>and by that I mean there is undue influence some

0:30:45.800 --> 0:30:50.840
<v Speaker 12>would say control. We've seen a whole history where China

0:30:50.880 --> 0:30:53.680
<v Speaker 12>seems to be mapping where all the cables are that

0:30:53.760 --> 0:30:58.520
<v Speaker 12>link us to the rest of the world. Service personnel,

0:30:58.800 --> 0:31:04.720
<v Speaker 12>we see nothing. We're eedging away from the United States

0:31:05.320 --> 0:31:09.840
<v Speaker 12>and pivoting more to China. And now there's talk about

0:31:09.880 --> 0:31:14.720
<v Speaker 12>opening the Free Trade Agreement to allow AI technology and

0:31:14.720 --> 0:31:17.520
<v Speaker 12>a whole which terrifies the living daylights out of me.

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<v Speaker 1>Understandable, I mean, this is.

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<v Speaker 12>The Communist Party of China we're talking about. We're not

0:31:22.480 --> 0:31:25.080
<v Speaker 12>talking about the Chinese people current. We're talking about the

0:31:25.080 --> 0:31:29.880
<v Speaker 12>Communist Party of China. And there is conversation in blogs

0:31:29.920 --> 0:31:35.120
<v Speaker 12>and influences in China itself talking about is Australia the

0:31:35.160 --> 0:31:40.640
<v Speaker 12>next Taiwan and it's richer than Taiwan and is very

0:31:40.640 --> 0:31:42.960
<v Speaker 12>poorly defended. Why are we your next frat?

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<v Speaker 2>Well again, it's this thing where Maggie again. I don't

0:31:46.440 --> 0:31:47.800
<v Speaker 2>want to go back in time too much, but we

0:31:47.840 --> 0:31:51.360
<v Speaker 2>heard Susan Lee this week coming out and saying that

0:31:51.560 --> 0:31:54.160
<v Speaker 2>Liberal Party needed to reposition itself into how this conversation

0:31:54.240 --> 0:31:58.000
<v Speaker 2>is happening because it's being misinterpreted by some it's being

0:31:58.040 --> 0:32:02.000
<v Speaker 2>weaponized by others. As who was knocking on doors again,

0:32:02.360 --> 0:32:03.960
<v Speaker 2>you would no doubt agree with all of the national

0:32:04.000 --> 0:32:05.960
<v Speaker 2>security staff that all of us agree with, all of

0:32:06.040 --> 0:32:09.960
<v Speaker 2>us understand and discuss right now right But in practical terms,

0:32:11.040 --> 0:32:14.640
<v Speaker 2>how often is being critical of the CCP in Australia

0:32:15.440 --> 0:32:18.360
<v Speaker 2>re weaponize to go back on a candidate to say

0:32:18.400 --> 0:32:21.120
<v Speaker 2>that somehow you're being anti Chinese people here, when of

0:32:21.120 --> 0:32:21.720
<v Speaker 2>course you're not.

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<v Speaker 13>Paul, it wasn't really coming up as I knocked on

0:32:29.080 --> 0:32:32.480
<v Speaker 13>doors in Ryan at all. I think that the comparison

0:32:33.040 --> 0:32:36.280
<v Speaker 13>between our current relationship with China and our current relationship

0:32:36.320 --> 0:32:39.600
<v Speaker 13>with our ally the United States is significant. That was

0:32:39.640 --> 0:32:42.680
<v Speaker 13>something on people's minds. We know that the Prime Minister

0:32:42.680 --> 0:32:45.880
<v Speaker 13>has already met with President she and yet hasn't been

0:32:45.880 --> 0:32:48.440
<v Speaker 13>able to secure a meeting with President Trump. And of course,

0:32:49.080 --> 0:32:52.440
<v Speaker 13>while our trade relationship with China is crucial and in

0:32:52.480 --> 0:32:55.840
<v Speaker 13>the coalition, we absolutely appreciate that there are real pressing

0:32:55.880 --> 0:32:58.280
<v Speaker 13>issues to sort out with our ally the United States,

0:32:58.280 --> 0:33:01.080
<v Speaker 13>with August under review, with the tariff coming in. I

0:33:01.120 --> 0:33:03.360
<v Speaker 13>don't understand how a current government can stand up and

0:33:03.400 --> 0:33:06.160
<v Speaker 13>say they're fighting against these tariffs when they can't even

0:33:06.160 --> 0:33:06.720
<v Speaker 13>get a meeting.

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<v Speaker 2>Very fair point, but of course, in many ways I

0:33:10.280 --> 0:33:13.440
<v Speaker 2>mean literally a productivity commission this week, not the most

0:33:13.440 --> 0:33:15.440
<v Speaker 2>recent ones, but the first round of tariffs. We're turning

0:33:15.440 --> 0:33:17.520
<v Speaker 2>around saying, well, maybe it ends up being a bit

0:33:17.520 --> 0:33:20.160
<v Speaker 2>of a wash. So in many ways the Primister wins

0:33:20.160 --> 0:33:22.800
<v Speaker 2>either way, right that big bad United States or the

0:33:22.840 --> 0:33:24.640
<v Speaker 2>impact of it not being as bad as it seems.

0:33:24.680 --> 0:33:26.280
<v Speaker 1>But we will see. All right, let's talk.

0:33:26.120 --> 0:33:28.040
<v Speaker 2>About as you call it, the snake charmer, and rightly so,

0:33:28.200 --> 0:33:30.480
<v Speaker 2>I have mainstreamed it this part of the desk as well.

0:33:30.600 --> 0:33:32.160
<v Speaker 1>I will take it on from here as well.

0:33:32.560 --> 0:33:35.000
<v Speaker 2>Of course, the Treasurer and we learned today sort of

0:33:35.000 --> 0:33:38.520
<v Speaker 2>this byzantine attempt to find a new way to tax people.

0:33:38.960 --> 0:33:39.600
<v Speaker 1>What do you think of this?

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<v Speaker 12>I am so critical and I'm so angry about this,

0:33:43.920 --> 0:33:46.640
<v Speaker 12>and I said as a lawyer, I said as a

0:33:46.640 --> 0:33:50.320
<v Speaker 12>former parliamentarian, and I said as an Australian, where we

0:33:50.520 --> 0:33:54.240
<v Speaker 12>need to know precisely what the tax laws are.

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<v Speaker 1>Correct.

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<v Speaker 12>Now, this is called Henry the eighth Clause because it

0:33:57.880 --> 0:34:01.840
<v Speaker 12>was the Parliament allowed the eighth and fifteen thirty one

0:34:02.680 --> 0:34:06.400
<v Speaker 12>to in fact make decrees that overruled.

0:34:05.800 --> 0:34:06.680
<v Speaker 1>Act of Parliament.

0:34:07.320 --> 0:34:11.160
<v Speaker 12>Now, what Henry the eighth Clause does here is it

0:34:11.200 --> 0:34:17.359
<v Speaker 12>allows the executives, the minister to actually change the legislation

0:34:17.520 --> 0:34:21.279
<v Speaker 12>and overall it it is a very damaging. It is.

0:34:22.040 --> 0:34:25.880
<v Speaker 12>It is the sort of thing that is not illegal.

0:34:25.960 --> 0:34:29.279
<v Speaker 12>It can be there. It is being upheld by the

0:34:29.360 --> 0:34:34.120
<v Speaker 12>High Court, but it must be attached to a head

0:34:34.120 --> 0:34:39.320
<v Speaker 12>of power. And there's been other arbiter in judgments which

0:34:39.640 --> 0:34:43.040
<v Speaker 12>have said it can't go too far and be unconstitutional.

0:34:43.080 --> 0:34:46.840
<v Speaker 12>But it is supposed to be very rarely used, but

0:34:46.960 --> 0:34:49.680
<v Speaker 12>it is becoming more frequent. And define it in tax

0:34:49.800 --> 0:34:55.719
<v Speaker 12>legislation is absolutely abhorrent, absolutely abhorrent, because it says he

0:34:55.760 --> 0:34:59.960
<v Speaker 12>can make distinctions between individuals, He can declare whether or

0:35:00.080 --> 0:35:03.680
<v Speaker 12>not someone is in a particular type of fund. He

0:35:03.760 --> 0:35:07.239
<v Speaker 12>can in fact stretch the lip and the Greens is

0:35:07.520 --> 0:35:11.520
<v Speaker 12>being pointed out in the articles today can agree with

0:35:11.640 --> 0:35:16.399
<v Speaker 12>it to say okay, we're literal legislation through, but it's

0:35:16.440 --> 0:35:18.520
<v Speaker 12>got to be indexed, and he'll say, right, I'll agree

0:35:18.520 --> 0:35:20.239
<v Speaker 12>to that. Then of course he could just come by

0:35:20.960 --> 0:35:24.080
<v Speaker 12>by regulation and change it. Now, when I was a minister,

0:35:24.280 --> 0:35:27.920
<v Speaker 12>I was always very concerned when I signed a regulation

0:35:28.560 --> 0:35:33.839
<v Speaker 12>because immediately my signature went on it, it became law. Yes,

0:35:33.880 --> 0:35:38.320
<v Speaker 12>it was subject to it could be disallowed by either house,

0:35:39.400 --> 0:35:42.400
<v Speaker 12>but that's a protected period and it remains in law

0:35:42.440 --> 0:35:43.720
<v Speaker 12>while that process.

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<v Speaker 2>Is And if you've got the numbers, if you've got

0:35:45.200 --> 0:35:46.680
<v Speaker 2>the numbers to be the government, then you're not going

0:35:46.680 --> 0:35:49.080
<v Speaker 2>to be knocked over by the House. If you've got

0:35:49.120 --> 0:35:50.600
<v Speaker 2>a path through the Senate, you're not going to get

0:35:50.640 --> 0:35:51.799
<v Speaker 2>knocked back. That's the whole point.

0:35:51.840 --> 0:35:56.160
<v Speaker 12>That's the whole point. So it is egregiously, it really is.

0:35:56.360 --> 0:35:59.000
<v Speaker 12>And when I've called him the snake charmer, he's an

0:35:59.000 --> 0:36:02.640
<v Speaker 12>illusionist and he's pretended that this is modest and it's

0:36:02.680 --> 0:36:05.520
<v Speaker 12>okay because it's only going to affect eighty thousand people

0:36:05.960 --> 0:36:09.000
<v Speaker 12>half a million by the time people retire, and it

0:36:09.120 --> 0:36:11.120
<v Speaker 12>is young people who ought to be screaming from the

0:36:11.160 --> 0:36:14.799
<v Speaker 12>rooftops because they'll be the ones who will really be hit.

0:36:15.840 --> 0:36:19.200
<v Speaker 12>The snake charmer says, Oh, a future government may change

0:36:19.239 --> 0:36:22.520
<v Speaker 12>it once it's embedded in and it's part of the

0:36:22.600 --> 0:36:25.680
<v Speaker 12>tax take and whatever, you know, the way it goes.

0:36:25.760 --> 0:36:28.080
<v Speaker 2>Well, look, I mean again, look at cigarette taxes, right,

0:36:28.160 --> 0:36:31.160
<v Speaker 2>you know, very clearly, very obviously you know they want

0:36:31.239 --> 0:36:33.320
<v Speaker 2>rid of it, right, they want written no more smoking.

0:36:33.360 --> 0:36:35.920
<v Speaker 2>But but but it's just an easy way to ratchet

0:36:35.920 --> 0:36:39.080
<v Speaker 2>things up, all right, Yeah, absolutely, Maggie. Just to something

0:36:39.120 --> 0:36:41.520
<v Speaker 2>else though, I want to talk about the CFMU and

0:36:41.760 --> 0:36:44.160
<v Speaker 2>a report which has come out about the CFMMEU which

0:36:44.320 --> 0:36:47.560
<v Speaker 2>is pretty amazing. Right, this is not just in the

0:36:47.640 --> 0:36:50.080
<v Speaker 2>daily telegrapple that was led by the Corea malt they're

0:36:50.080 --> 0:36:52.720
<v Speaker 2>reporting today Gada to christ and his team in Brisbane,

0:36:52.800 --> 0:36:56.280
<v Speaker 2>who may be putting the b paperbed right now, bullets,

0:36:56.280 --> 0:36:58.759
<v Speaker 2>coffins and abuse the CFM. He used, rain of terror

0:36:58.800 --> 0:37:02.719
<v Speaker 2>exposed to damning report. Among the most shocking findings was

0:37:02.719 --> 0:37:05.600
<v Speaker 2>a litany of vile threats, including officials telling people we

0:37:05.719 --> 0:37:08.319
<v Speaker 2>know where you live. There's a bullet with your name

0:37:08.360 --> 0:37:11.319
<v Speaker 2>on it, a public servant locked in a cupboard and

0:37:11.360 --> 0:37:14.040
<v Speaker 2>a young woman who was harassed at her gym over

0:37:14.080 --> 0:37:16.799
<v Speaker 2>her father's role in a workplace health and safety inspector.

0:37:17.360 --> 0:37:19.440
<v Speaker 2>This is something the Queensland government is going hot and

0:37:19.480 --> 0:37:20.640
<v Speaker 2>hard out and rightly sight.

0:37:25.080 --> 0:37:29.040
<v Speaker 13>Yes, it was absolutely disturbing to read some of the

0:37:29.080 --> 0:37:33.200
<v Speaker 13>revelations in this report today, Paul, but perhaps not surprising

0:37:33.360 --> 0:37:36.000
<v Speaker 13>for a whole lot of Queenslanders. We know that over

0:37:36.040 --> 0:37:39.239
<v Speaker 13>the last almost decade in Queensland, Labor of a light

0:37:39.280 --> 0:37:42.840
<v Speaker 13>on the CFMAU. They're one of their largest donors. It

0:37:42.840 --> 0:37:45.840
<v Speaker 13>begs the question how long have Labor been running a

0:37:45.840 --> 0:37:48.480
<v Speaker 13>protection racket for one of their biggest donors. And I

0:37:48.560 --> 0:37:51.120
<v Speaker 13>really praised David Christop fully and Jared Blay and their

0:37:51.160 --> 0:37:53.759
<v Speaker 13>government for standing up to this sort of behavior and

0:37:53.800 --> 0:37:54.879
<v Speaker 13>working to stamp it out.

0:37:55.160 --> 0:37:57.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think we have a little segment here, a

0:37:57.200 --> 0:38:00.239
<v Speaker 2>little highlight of what the.

0:37:59.400 --> 0:38:02.719
<v Speaker 1>Deputy Prens had said. In fact, we don't all show

0:38:02.719 --> 0:38:03.000
<v Speaker 1>it to you.

0:38:03.239 --> 0:38:06.680
<v Speaker 2>Perhaps at another time let's talk about the anti semitism

0:38:07.200 --> 0:38:09.399
<v Speaker 2>stuff that happened today with the Prime Minister and again

0:38:09.440 --> 0:38:12.480
<v Speaker 2>you know, partial personal credit because yes he was standing

0:38:12.480 --> 0:38:14.799
<v Speaker 2>with the antisemitism void, taking a report but.

0:38:14.760 --> 0:38:16.000
<v Speaker 1>Not committing to anything in it.

0:38:16.680 --> 0:38:20.880
<v Speaker 2>And you know the theatricals of politics as best as anyone,

0:38:20.880 --> 0:38:22.439
<v Speaker 2>which is, if you're going to stand next to somebody

0:38:22.520 --> 0:38:25.440
<v Speaker 2>issuing a report, you're giving it a certain level of credibility.

0:38:25.920 --> 0:38:28.799
<v Speaker 2>If you are wanting to show action, you're going to say, look,

0:38:28.800 --> 0:38:31.800
<v Speaker 2>we'll accept all of the findings, some of the findings,

0:38:31.800 --> 0:38:34.279
<v Speaker 2>one of the findings. But the Prime Minister says, now,

0:38:34.440 --> 0:38:36.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm ade it very clear about what I think this

0:38:36.040 --> 0:38:37.480
<v Speaker 2>is really going to be, which is this is just

0:38:37.480 --> 0:38:39.520
<v Speaker 2>going to be one ingredient in an overall.

0:38:39.800 --> 0:38:44.440
<v Speaker 12>Absolutely, I absolutely agree with your editorial one hundred percent Godlin,

0:38:44.680 --> 0:38:48.839
<v Speaker 12>because there is no commitment for this man to in

0:38:48.880 --> 0:38:53.200
<v Speaker 12>fact a raise anti Semitism from our culture. And the

0:38:53.360 --> 0:38:57.439
<v Speaker 12>really damaging thing is is that it might seep into

0:38:57.480 --> 0:39:00.560
<v Speaker 12>the culture and become tolerated, and that can be allowed

0:39:00.560 --> 0:39:04.520
<v Speaker 12>to occur. It is not part of the Australian ethos

0:39:04.760 --> 0:39:07.279
<v Speaker 12>and it must not be allowed to become part of

0:39:07.320 --> 0:39:11.680
<v Speaker 12>the Australian ethos. And so the parts of the report

0:39:11.760 --> 0:39:18.200
<v Speaker 12>that I think outstanding are greater concentration on people seeking visas.

0:39:18.640 --> 0:39:22.440
<v Speaker 12>If you have these views, sorry you can't come. I

0:39:22.480 --> 0:39:26.960
<v Speaker 12>think where you've got charities who use their tax deductibility

0:39:27.040 --> 0:39:30.480
<v Speaker 12>status to promote this sort of thing. They should lose it.

0:39:32.080 --> 0:39:36.839
<v Speaker 12>Funding for cultural bodies from people like used to call

0:39:36.840 --> 0:39:40.200
<v Speaker 12>the Australia Council whatever it's called for now, But basically

0:39:40.560 --> 0:39:44.360
<v Speaker 12>those sorts of things should not occur. Universities are a

0:39:44.440 --> 0:39:48.920
<v Speaker 12>much more difficult issue that needs far more consideration. But

0:39:48.960 --> 0:39:51.000
<v Speaker 12>there are people in there who are preaching this sort

0:39:51.040 --> 0:39:56.040
<v Speaker 12>of stuff to students, which is unacceptable. So I think

0:39:56.120 --> 0:39:58.560
<v Speaker 12>there was a lack of commitment by the Prime Minister today.

0:39:58.600 --> 0:40:01.719
<v Speaker 12>It was just flapping the lips again and your term

0:40:01.840 --> 0:40:04.239
<v Speaker 12>each way elbow. You'll have a bit of this and

0:40:04.320 --> 0:40:07.160
<v Speaker 12>a bit of that. And the most damaging thing you

0:40:07.160 --> 0:40:09.239
<v Speaker 12>could do is to criminalize eighteen C.

0:40:09.880 --> 0:40:10.640
<v Speaker 1>And this is the thing.

0:40:10.719 --> 0:40:13.319
<v Speaker 2>This is again nobody's sitting here arguing for the right

0:40:14.120 --> 0:40:16.680
<v Speaker 2>to vilify, right, But about that. If we're going to

0:40:16.719 --> 0:40:18.120
<v Speaker 2>we're going to move to a system which I know

0:40:18.200 --> 0:40:21.399
<v Speaker 2>has been introducing places like Victoria. What's the definition who

0:40:21.440 --> 0:40:23.760
<v Speaker 2>polices this stuff? This is all the stuff that remember

0:40:23.880 --> 0:40:26.839
<v Speaker 2>was part censoring the Internet or I got thirty seconds here,

0:40:26.880 --> 0:40:29.400
<v Speaker 2>So Maggie, you're win or a loser of the week place.

0:40:32.520 --> 0:40:35.360
<v Speaker 13>Well, the winner's got to be Queensland in the origin

0:40:35.640 --> 0:40:40.520
<v Speaker 13>congratulations and the loser's got to be thanksful. Loser's got

0:40:40.520 --> 0:40:42.560
<v Speaker 13>to be the prime minister who can't get a meeting

0:40:42.600 --> 0:40:43.880
<v Speaker 13>with the President of the United States.

0:40:44.000 --> 0:40:44.800
<v Speaker 1>I'm with you, Bromin.

0:40:46.400 --> 0:40:47.680
<v Speaker 3>The winner.

0:40:49.000 --> 0:40:53.799
<v Speaker 12>Is fossil fuels because after TRUYMP to Dig Baby Dig,

0:40:54.320 --> 0:40:57.440
<v Speaker 12>right across the world, people are increasing their use and

0:40:57.520 --> 0:41:00.960
<v Speaker 12>acknowledging the world cannot get by with it fossil fuels.

0:41:01.440 --> 0:41:05.080
<v Speaker 12>The loser is CSL because there is no voice in

0:41:05.120 --> 0:41:08.319
<v Speaker 12>the United States loving for them and speaking on their

0:41:08.360 --> 0:41:11.440
<v Speaker 12>behalf to say you need our vaccines, we need to

0:41:11.440 --> 0:41:14.120
<v Speaker 12>be able to produce them here and two hundred percent

0:41:14.200 --> 0:41:16.200
<v Speaker 12>taff is absolutely unaccepted.

0:41:16.239 --> 0:41:18.000
<v Speaker 1>Good point. Thank you so much, Broman, Thank you. Maggie'll

0:41:18.000 --> 0:41:18.799
<v Speaker 1>see you again very soon.

0:41:18.800 --> 0:41:21.320
<v Speaker 2>The one of them, Meghan Kelly speaking of powerful, strong

0:41:21.360 --> 0:41:24.000
<v Speaker 2>and independent women. She's on the show right after this

0:41:29.000 --> 0:41:30.400
<v Speaker 2>our favorite time of the week to talk to our

0:41:30.400 --> 0:41:32.239
<v Speaker 2>favorite person in the world, the one, the only, the

0:41:32.280 --> 0:41:35.160
<v Speaker 2>incredible Meghan Kelly kicking ass on YouTube. You can hear

0:41:35.200 --> 0:41:37.640
<v Speaker 2>on Serious XM get Her podcast. But she is the

0:41:37.719 --> 0:41:39.520
<v Speaker 2>queen who joins the seation every week here on Paul

0:41:39.560 --> 0:41:40.000
<v Speaker 2>Murray Live.

0:41:40.040 --> 0:41:40.800
<v Speaker 1>How are your rockstar?

0:41:41.400 --> 0:41:44.440
<v Speaker 4>I'm great. I'm so great. I'm loving the summer, and

0:41:44.520 --> 0:41:46.160
<v Speaker 4>the news cycle is insane.

0:41:46.560 --> 0:41:48.120
<v Speaker 2>I want to start off with what I think is

0:41:48.200 --> 0:41:51.759
<v Speaker 2>just a spectacular gift the United States government is giving

0:41:51.800 --> 0:41:54.360
<v Speaker 2>the rest of the world, and of course it's citizens,

0:41:54.640 --> 0:41:56.879
<v Speaker 2>which is you don't have to take your shoes off

0:41:56.920 --> 0:41:58.560
<v Speaker 2>anymore when you go to the airport.

0:41:58.880 --> 0:42:01.320
<v Speaker 1>Now as a person who you know it.

0:42:01.160 --> 0:42:05.240
<v Speaker 2>Has traveled much for work for private life, thank god,

0:42:05.600 --> 0:42:07.920
<v Speaker 2>because I know there was the shoe bomber. But now

0:42:07.920 --> 0:42:11.000
<v Speaker 2>that we've done the shoes, do we still have to

0:42:11.000 --> 0:42:13.280
<v Speaker 2>take off our belts? Because I've never in the history

0:42:13.320 --> 0:42:16.359
<v Speaker 2>since nine to eleven heard of how my belt is

0:42:16.400 --> 0:42:18.040
<v Speaker 2>somehow going to bring down applying.

0:42:19.920 --> 0:42:20.960
<v Speaker 3>That's a good point.

0:42:21.680 --> 0:42:24.040
<v Speaker 4>And let's just talk about the liquids, the four ounce

0:42:24.239 --> 0:42:29.600
<v Speaker 4>liquid restriction. That, honestly is there a big contingent of

0:42:29.680 --> 0:42:33.200
<v Speaker 4>people who want to bring a bomb on an airplane,

0:42:33.440 --> 0:42:35.920
<v Speaker 4>but then they don't because there's a four ounce limit.

0:42:36.000 --> 0:42:39.280
<v Speaker 4>They don't just use four ounces of the mini size

0:42:39.280 --> 0:42:42.320
<v Speaker 4>and the Johnson's baby shampoo and then a second four ounce,

0:42:42.400 --> 0:42:44.040
<v Speaker 4>Like if you really want to bring down the plane

0:42:44.200 --> 0:42:46.840
<v Speaker 4>via a liquid bomb, I think you would just comply

0:42:46.960 --> 0:42:48.759
<v Speaker 4>with the four ounce thing, and you have multiple four

0:42:48.800 --> 0:42:50.480
<v Speaker 4>ounce liquids like you're allowed to.

0:42:51.040 --> 0:42:51.560
<v Speaker 3>This is so.

0:42:52.040 --> 0:42:55.400
<v Speaker 4>Ridiculous what we've been doing since nine to eleven. Some

0:42:55.440 --> 0:42:58.040
<v Speaker 4>of the security measures made sense. This one makes no sense.

0:42:58.600 --> 0:43:00.799
<v Speaker 4>And this shoes thing, not only is it a pain

0:43:00.880 --> 0:43:01.960
<v Speaker 4>in the butt.

0:43:01.640 --> 0:43:04.800
<v Speaker 3>But it's disgusting. It's like the.

0:43:04.680 --> 0:43:08.000
<v Speaker 4>Bottom of people's shoes go into the same bin that

0:43:08.040 --> 0:43:09.960
<v Speaker 4>then you have to put your jacket in, or the

0:43:10.040 --> 0:43:14.040
<v Speaker 4>sweater you're wearing in, or your child's item in your

0:43:14.080 --> 0:43:15.920
<v Speaker 4>purse which goes over your shoulder. I mean, like, this

0:43:16.040 --> 0:43:18.200
<v Speaker 4>is none of this makes any sense. We we've been

0:43:18.239 --> 0:43:21.799
<v Speaker 4>doing it now for twenty years. That Richard Reeve thing,

0:43:22.200 --> 0:43:24.040
<v Speaker 4>the British citizen who tried to bring down a plane

0:43:24.040 --> 0:43:27.000
<v Speaker 4>with his shoe of an explosive in his shoe, was.

0:43:27.000 --> 0:43:28.240
<v Speaker 3>Two thousand and six.

0:43:29.200 --> 0:43:31.920
<v Speaker 4>And finally they're talking sense within the Trump administration. The

0:43:32.440 --> 0:43:34.799
<v Speaker 4>head of Transportation, Sean Duffy actually said they did a

0:43:34.840 --> 0:43:38.200
<v Speaker 4>survey like what's the most annoying thing to you about traveling?

0:43:38.239 --> 0:43:41.040
<v Speaker 4>And the number one answer was TSA, which is the

0:43:41.160 --> 0:43:42.600
<v Speaker 4>organization that makes you take.

0:43:42.440 --> 0:43:44.320
<v Speaker 3>Off your shoes, et cetera.

0:43:44.880 --> 0:43:47.640
<v Speaker 4>Another point on that, here's the other problem with TSA,

0:43:47.800 --> 0:43:50.840
<v Speaker 4>and it's not just our TSA in America, it's global,

0:43:51.160 --> 0:43:55.080
<v Speaker 4>especially over in Europe, places like France. I've been through

0:43:55.080 --> 0:43:59.480
<v Speaker 4>it many times. These people are on a power trip.

0:44:00.120 --> 0:44:04.080
<v Speaker 4>Everybody listening to me knows that I am right. We've

0:44:04.160 --> 0:44:08.239
<v Speaker 4>all been harassed by these people who have a modicum

0:44:08.239 --> 0:44:10.439
<v Speaker 4>of power, who get drunk on.

0:44:10.360 --> 0:44:12.320
<v Speaker 3>It and really just want.

0:44:12.160 --> 0:44:16.560
<v Speaker 4>To punish you as you go through TSA for no reason,

0:44:17.000 --> 0:44:20.440
<v Speaker 4>Like my son had a like it was a five

0:44:20.640 --> 0:44:25.240
<v Speaker 4>ounce mini but not many enough toothpaste tube.

0:44:26.239 --> 0:44:27.919
<v Speaker 3>This is my eleven year old.

0:44:27.960 --> 0:44:32.840
<v Speaker 4>They're like no, Like, yes, you've caught us. I, Megan Kelly,

0:44:33.200 --> 0:44:36.480
<v Speaker 4>a public figure, am smuggling bombs through my eleven year

0:44:36.480 --> 0:44:38.160
<v Speaker 4>old son's five.

0:44:37.920 --> 0:44:41.800
<v Speaker 3>Ounce toothpaste tube. Great job, great job TSA.

0:44:42.040 --> 0:44:44.239
<v Speaker 1>Let's a bit of a difference state thing because I

0:44:44.280 --> 0:44:46.319
<v Speaker 1>don't buy it. Sorry, I don't buy it. Right.

0:44:46.400 --> 0:44:49.040
<v Speaker 2>I know you're not a conspiracy person. I'm not a

0:44:49.040 --> 0:44:52.080
<v Speaker 2>conspiracy person, but there is always that one story that

0:44:52.120 --> 0:44:54.960
<v Speaker 2>we have read too much about. And I've read too

0:44:55.000 --> 0:44:57.600
<v Speaker 2>much about this story to believe nothing.

0:44:57.719 --> 0:45:05.560
<v Speaker 4>To see here, it's very sketchy, and look, here's the truth. Bongino,

0:45:05.600 --> 0:45:08.120
<v Speaker 4>who I really love as a friend and Patel, who

0:45:08.200 --> 0:45:12.239
<v Speaker 4>I also respect, were among the biggest promoters of the

0:45:12.239 --> 0:45:15.960
<v Speaker 4>Epstein conspiracy theory stuff. I mean, one of the reasons

0:45:16.040 --> 0:45:18.320
<v Speaker 4>this has such sway on the right is because of

0:45:18.360 --> 0:45:22.440
<v Speaker 4>those two and what they said about Epstein prior to

0:45:22.640 --> 0:45:25.359
<v Speaker 4>joining the FBI. And that's a fair point to make too.

0:45:26.239 --> 0:45:29.160
<v Speaker 4>Once joining the FBI, they've not been touting this at all,

0:45:29.239 --> 0:45:32.160
<v Speaker 4>and they had different responsibilities and they had different access

0:45:32.239 --> 0:45:34.759
<v Speaker 4>than the rest of us. But it must be said

0:45:34.800 --> 0:45:37.520
<v Speaker 4>that one of the reasons that many people on the

0:45:37.560 --> 0:45:40.880
<v Speaker 4>right in particular have doubts about the official Epstein's story

0:45:41.239 --> 0:45:44.160
<v Speaker 4>is because guys like those two, who we love and respected,

0:45:44.200 --> 0:45:46.520
<v Speaker 4>were telling us all along there's no way there isn't

0:45:46.520 --> 0:45:50.680
<v Speaker 4>something more to this, whether it's connections to intel masade,

0:45:51.280 --> 0:45:54.239
<v Speaker 4>people like Bill Gates, are they getting covered up for?

0:45:54.600 --> 0:45:58.080
<v Speaker 4>Like okay, so they bear some responsibility for the fact

0:45:58.080 --> 0:46:01.200
<v Speaker 4>that people are so reluctant to leave them now. But

0:46:01.280 --> 0:46:05.200
<v Speaker 4>I really do put the blame for this recent development

0:46:05.600 --> 0:46:08.839
<v Speaker 4>on Pam Bondi because there's been no one more than

0:46:08.880 --> 0:46:12.239
<v Speaker 4>Pam Bondi since taking office, since being on the inside

0:46:12.400 --> 0:46:15.239
<v Speaker 4>of the administration, where whatever you say has a lot

0:46:15.320 --> 0:46:19.440
<v Speaker 4>more sway than you as a podcaster. She's been dangling

0:46:19.480 --> 0:46:22.280
<v Speaker 4>little carrots in front of us, And now I'm looking

0:46:22.320 --> 0:46:25.319
<v Speaker 4>back thinking, was she just trying to be popular?

0:46:25.600 --> 0:46:28.080
<v Speaker 3>Was she just trying to sound like a cool kid who.

0:46:27.960 --> 0:46:30.239
<v Speaker 4>Like, I've got all the gossip, I've got the burn book,

0:46:30.239 --> 0:46:32.359
<v Speaker 4>and I'll tell you who's in it. I don't know

0:46:32.400 --> 0:46:36.160
<v Speaker 4>what she was doing, but she is on camera repeatedly.

0:46:36.320 --> 0:46:38.560
<v Speaker 4>It's not just that one interview with Fox News' John

0:46:38.640 --> 0:46:40.480
<v Speaker 4>Roberts where she says she's got the client list on

0:46:40.520 --> 0:46:47.319
<v Speaker 4>her desk, repeatedly touting the big reveal, then expressing indignation

0:46:47.600 --> 0:46:51.920
<v Speaker 4>that documents have been unfairly unjustly withheld from her by

0:46:51.960 --> 0:46:55.120
<v Speaker 4>the evil FBI, and then explaining what she was going

0:46:55.160 --> 0:46:57.400
<v Speaker 4>to do to get to the bottom of the FBI's withholding,

0:46:57.880 --> 0:47:01.439
<v Speaker 4>that she was conducting a big sort of raid where

0:47:01.440 --> 0:47:02.799
<v Speaker 4>she was sending a truck she was going to get

0:47:02.800 --> 0:47:06.400
<v Speaker 4>all the document, none of which appears to have been true.

0:47:06.960 --> 0:47:09.600
<v Speaker 4>Nothing nothing, I mean nothing's as far as I know,

0:47:09.680 --> 0:47:13.440
<v Speaker 4>gone to her since March. So we've had March, April, May, June,

0:47:13.520 --> 0:47:16.120
<v Speaker 4>July for her to finally work up the nerve to

0:47:16.160 --> 0:47:18.960
<v Speaker 4>tell us there's absolutely no there there, and not even

0:47:19.000 --> 0:47:22.120
<v Speaker 4>tell us a paper statement two pages leak to a

0:47:22.200 --> 0:47:24.799
<v Speaker 4>left leaning media outlet that they knew would not kick

0:47:24.840 --> 0:47:25.520
<v Speaker 4>the tires on this.

0:47:26.360 --> 0:47:28.320
<v Speaker 3>That's pathetic. It doesn't work.

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<v Speaker 4>And she in particular, having gone on camera, and you

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<v Speaker 4>know how it is in journalism, Paul, if you say

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<v Speaker 4>something wrong or commit a sin on camera with your audience,

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<v Speaker 4>there is only one real way of fixing it, and

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<v Speaker 4>it's in the exact same forum in which you committed

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<v Speaker 4>the sin to begin with.

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<v Speaker 3>You've got to put your big boy pants on.

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<v Speaker 4>You go back on camera, you look at the same audience,

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<v Speaker 4>and you say, I screwed up. You don't fix it

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<v Speaker 4>via tweet or an insta and in her case, you

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<v Speaker 4>don't fix it via an unsigned two page document that

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<v Speaker 4>you give to a CEOs where no one can ask

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<v Speaker 4>you questions about it. So yesterday at the cabinet meeting

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<v Speaker 4>she was asked one question, she spewed a bunch of

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<v Speaker 4>verbal diarrhea, which only made it worse. And now they

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<v Speaker 4>want to declare case closed. No, I mean, with all

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<v Speaker 4>due respect, we the people will decide when his case closed.

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<v Speaker 3>And we're not there.

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<v Speaker 2>One hundred percent. Thank you, Megan we'll see you again

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<v Speaker 2>next week. That is our show, not actually not done right.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, in a moment or two is Tom. I

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<v Speaker 2>gotta tell you about a beautiful little moment when it

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<v Speaker 2>was hands across the water, a lovely moment of people getting.

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<v Speaker 1>Together to help a shop that they like out. Then

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<v Speaker 1>it'll be the end of the show and time for

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<v Speaker 1>the light debate.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, before I leave for the weekend, let me

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<v Speaker 2>tell you a cool little story comes out of Melbourne.

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<v Speaker 1>All right.

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<v Speaker 2>There is a bookshop in Melbourne which is moving from

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<v Speaker 2>one side.

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<v Speaker 1>Of the street to the other.

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<v Speaker 2>It's called the Hill of Content bookshop. They are moving

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<v Speaker 2>from one bit of Burke Street to another bit of

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<v Speaker 2>Burke Street. But being a bookshop, what have they got

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of books? How the heck do you move

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<v Speaker 2>that many books? Well, really cool thing happened today. The

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<v Speaker 2>customers of the bookshop turned up in their hundreds and

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<v Speaker 2>they made a human chain and they one by one

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<v Speaker 2>moved the books, which I thought was really cute. Now again,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I'm sure that lady watches us each and

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<v Speaker 2>every night, but you get my point, right, I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's a cool idea. Here is part of what happened today,

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<v Speaker 2>I wanted to help our.

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<v Speaker 4>Our institution that behaviors.

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<v Speaker 3>I think I was.

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<v Speaker 4>Really attracting both of the old school idea of just

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<v Speaker 4>passing for help. I just feel like it's talking as

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<v Speaker 4>much as secret, and it's lovely to see people just

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<v Speaker 4>do something together, like for not a person benefits.

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<v Speaker 3>We can play life.

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<v Speaker 1>Before old school idea.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I can't move the books for you. Physical humans

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<v Speaker 2>need to do it, and in this case it was them.

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<v Speaker 2>I really like, congrats to everyone involved. That's our show

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<v Speaker 2>for tonight. We'll see you again in a couple of weeks.

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<v Speaker 2>In the meantime, James Morrow and Daneka to Georgio will

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<v Speaker 2>hold the Ford.

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<v Speaker 1>Go Yankees, go Tigers. See you soon.