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Speaker 1: You've had the most amazing decorated career. It is phenomenal.

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Speaker 1: Twenty two year playing cool started ninety four one review

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Speaker 1: of the year. You won four nur Old titles with

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Speaker 1: the Bombs, you won Test series with the Kangaroos, Origin

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Speaker 1: Series with coins, Land, switched to Union, won everything, won

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Speaker 1: World Cups and you all blacks win rate there was

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Speaker 1: eighty five percent. We won Super Rugby titles. You won

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Speaker 1: titles in Europe, the only man in history to win

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Speaker 1: an URL title, Rugby World Cup, Super Rugby Title, Heineken Cup,

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Speaker 1: and then put on top of that all the Origin

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Speaker 1: series wins. Thorny, great to see and thanks for making

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Speaker 1: me feel like coops. We don't usually do intros, not really,

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Speaker 1: but today I'm going to make an exception because I

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Speaker 1: must say, Thorny, You've had the most amazing decorated career.

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Speaker 1: It is phenomenal. I think of anyone that's been on

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Speaker 1: a field, but they'd be Rugby legueor Rubby Union. So

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Speaker 1: for people, you know, just to let people know, because

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Speaker 1: we can't go through everything. You like, you know, your

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Speaker 1: book of your lot, war and Peace. But twenty two

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Speaker 1: year playing career started ninety four with the Bronx. You

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Speaker 1: won Rookie of the Year. You finish twenty sixteen or

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Speaker 1: forty one playing for Queensland Country after stint in Europe

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Speaker 1: with Lester Tigers. You won four NRLD titles with the Bronx.

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Speaker 1: You won Test Series with the Kangaroos, Origin Series with Queensland,

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Speaker 1: All Blacks. You win rate there was eighty five percent.

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Speaker 1: You won Super Rugby titles, You won titles in Europe.

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Speaker 1: You're the only man in history to win an URL title,

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Speaker 1: a Rugby World Cup, a Super Rugby title, a Heineken Cup,

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Speaker 1: me feel like a what's your secret?

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Speaker 2: Thorny.

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Speaker 3: It's very easy, play with very good teams and you

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Speaker 3: win a lot of stuff. So yeah, yeah, I can.

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Speaker 3: You know, I often say that because often, you know,

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Speaker 3: and it's not like I play tennis or you know,

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Speaker 3: it's you're in these great teams. If you play with

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Speaker 3: Alan Langer, Steve Renuth, Glenn Lazarus and the rest of them.

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Speaker 3: If you play with Richie mccallordy and you get to

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Speaker 3: cool about it, mat is being your part in that team,

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Speaker 3: being a part of that group that get those things done.

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Speaker 3: That that's the cool part about it. And you know

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Speaker 3: you care about each other enough, and you and you

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Speaker 3: play to the potential that you have, you can have

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Speaker 2: Thorny, Can I ask you, like when you're obviously your book,

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Speaker 2: but when you're when you're in a moment, like when

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Speaker 2: you're doing these achievements, winning Grand finals, winning World Cups,

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Speaker 2: right in the book and get reliving all of those moments.

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Speaker 2: Now you must have just been like, holy shit, I've

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Speaker 3: Yeah. For me, I was always like the next thing

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Speaker 3: You know, I had a real turning point when I

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Speaker 3: But on the other side of that, you also wonder

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Speaker 3: because you were forever driven. There was forever a fire. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So I guess that's the way of the competitor, and

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Speaker 3: that was built into me from birth with a very

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Speaker 1: Talking about dreaming big. We're just talking with this upstairs.

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Speaker 1: We played against each other in one of your first

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Speaker 3: I never heard of league when I came to Australia,

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Speaker 2: While you're wearing Australian jo, it's very bald.

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Speaker 1: I want to talk about the first I want to

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Speaker 3: He's done everything. He was in essence, he's a player.

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Speaker 3: He was so overqualified. I had such respect for him

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Speaker 1: He can't flirt with.

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00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:41,040
Speaker 3: Sorry, just moving past that. But you know we we

431
00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:44,639
Speaker 3: didn't have that like last Grand Final where we because

432
00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:47,920
Speaker 3: you do grow from that, like the Broncos grew from

433
00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:51,480
Speaker 3: that recently. Like you said, Penrith, if you feel the

434
00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:56,080
Speaker 3: taste of falling short, that sucks, you know, and and

435
00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:59,359
Speaker 3: you the resolved builds and you bring even more and

436
00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:03,480
Speaker 3: you get pen just the outstanding you know, you get

437
00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:07,560
Speaker 3: you get the storm twenty years sort of just always

438
00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:10,400
Speaker 3: at the top of thing. For what happened with our

439
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:12,800
Speaker 3: guys was we had a turnover and a lot of

440
00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:15,800
Speaker 3: young guys, you know, Brent Taate and Darius Boards and

441
00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:18,920
Speaker 3: all these sort of guys coming through and they hadn't

442
00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:21,159
Speaker 3: really been part of that success. There was sort of

443
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:24,719
Speaker 3: like a six year period where the origin would come

444
00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:29,600
Speaker 3: along it would be fatigue and yeah, it was our

445
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:33,560
Speaker 3: sort of resolve was built on enough enough one in

446
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:37,840
Speaker 3: the sand. Unfortunately, you know, two good guys Brett Seymour

447
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:40,000
Speaker 3: and never cost I don't know if you remember, got

448
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:45,919
Speaker 3: moved on and uh, you know, yeah, Wayne brought Webbe,

449
00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:50,200
Speaker 3: Petra myself and and we we just had a resolve.

450
00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:54,399
Speaker 3: It's time to get business done and to beat that

451
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:58,879
Speaker 3: Melbourne team was you know, it was it was cool

452
00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:01,119
Speaker 3: and it was cool to see them go on and

453
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:02,720
Speaker 3: so much respect for them.

454
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:06,400
Speaker 1: Like as I said before, you've done everything. We're talking

455
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,600
Speaker 1: with the All Blacks in a second. Your won World Cups,

456
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:12,840
Speaker 1: Mate one, Heineken Cups and everything, but state of origin football?

457
00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:15,920
Speaker 1: Where where does where does that sit? As far as

458
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:17,720
Speaker 1: intensity and so on?

459
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:22,040
Speaker 3: At the top. The thing that I would get asked

460
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:27,680
Speaker 3: about this to me, the equal of it in rugby

461
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:31,560
Speaker 3: is you know, I said, you get born in New Zealand,

462
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:34,560
Speaker 3: you get a computer chip. Yeah. The other thing that

463
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:37,200
Speaker 3: I didn't add on to that is as a little kid,

464
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:39,240
Speaker 3: that chip goes in and you look. We look west.

465
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:44,200
Speaker 3: We're not looking at Australia, We're looking at Africa South

466
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:47,840
Speaker 3: a kid rugby means so much to them when they

467
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:49,359
Speaker 3: get born, they get a chip in their head that

468
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:52,880
Speaker 3: would be a spring book. They look east because it's

469
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:56,480
Speaker 3: it's us, you know, so we when we go to me,

470
00:25:56,600 --> 00:26:01,080
Speaker 3: if I look at origin, the intensity, the pressure, just

471
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:04,160
Speaker 3: just the weight of the history, the awesomeness of what

472
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 3: it is, and the and the noise. Shane Weiky was,

473
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:11,520
Speaker 3: you know, standing ten meters away from me and laying

474
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:13,639
Speaker 3: park or some corporate you know, whatever you want to

475
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:15,720
Speaker 3: call it, and it wasn't facing me and I was

476
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 3: calling it. He couldn't hear me from ten meters away.

477
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:23,119
Speaker 3: You've experienced that. So to be at at attitude in

478
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:27,320
Speaker 3: South Africa, got to understand rugby is it's a heavyweight division.

479
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:31,359
Speaker 3: It's with big it's big men. I was lighter in

480
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:33,439
Speaker 3: the league than I was in Union. I could be

481
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:36,639
Speaker 3: my natural sort of size of one eighteen, you know,

482
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 3: you know I could be that. You know when you

483
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 3: feel you're strong in power in league, especially when I

484
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:46,520
Speaker 3: went back a second though, I had to trim and

485
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:48,639
Speaker 3: I felt all fit and good and I was playing

486
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 3: good footy, but it wasn't the same power you know

487
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:53,960
Speaker 3: when you feel at your weight. But yeah, so it's

488
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 3: a big man's game. There's big dudes everywhere, you know.

489
00:26:57,320 --> 00:27:01,560
Speaker 3: And when you play the spring box, say loftus betoy,

490
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 3: it's a heavyweight title fight. That's the best way to describe.

491
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 3: But they never worried about You never hear the spring

492
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 3: bots talk about, oh the huck is not fair, blah

493
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 3: blah blah. There's eighty one hundred odd years of us

494
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,400
Speaker 3: going at it, the two of us, and we meet

495
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,199
Speaker 3: in the middle, you know, like in UFC. You know

496
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:19,919
Speaker 3: that last ten seconds sometimes you know, when you hear

497
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:23,680
Speaker 3: that clapping of the thing, you'll see them that's go

498
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 3: in the middle. It's sort of like that. We know

499
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:28,879
Speaker 3: what we're bringing, they know what they're bringing. Which if

500
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 3: you think about our origin, it's very similar. We meet

501
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 3: in the middle and we swing.

502
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:33,159
Speaker 1: And.

503
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:39,119
Speaker 3: That is to me a similar thing to start of origin.

504
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 3: It's a different game. You know, we have our power

505
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 3: stuff in rugby, power scrummaging nine hundred kilo against each other,

506
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 3: trying to crush, you know, each other, you know, mauling

507
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,679
Speaker 3: whatever the defensive lines at the last feet. That's what

508
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 3: allows the size to be there. League is such a

509
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:01,680
Speaker 3: hard game. But yeah, so that's that's the connection if

510
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:05,680
Speaker 3: you wanted to look at the two games. And yeah,

511
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 3: it was cool. Last thing I say on that is

512
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:12,160
Speaker 3: I had a test match there at Nelson Mandela Stadium

513
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:16,640
Speaker 3: in Soweto, which is the poor area in joe Bergen,

514
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 3: ninety four thousand people before our third test and we

515
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:26,360
Speaker 3: won it on the last minute and I remember they

516
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 3: sung their anthem it's an awesome anthem South Africa. Yeah,

517
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 3: it's awesome. And it was the first time where I

518
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 3: was usually I'm just game made. I respect the anthem,

519
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 3: I respect the hakka, but I'm all about first action

520
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 3: and whatever. I'm standing there in ninety four thousand and

521
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 3: singing the opposition anthem and it forced me to smile.

522
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 3: I just had to because it's just like, how good

523
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 3: is this ninety four thousand singing that awesome anthem and

524
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 3: we're about to get it on and just energy could

525
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 3: not hear the hacker. That's why I always stood at

526
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 3: the back, you know, you know, because the noise was

527
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 3: so crazy, you know, and you know it's good times.

528
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 1: When you were when it went to Union two thousand

529
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 1: and one. Thorny oftentimes whether these comments are accurate, but

530
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 1: some league you say they go across Sammy Bird just

531
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 1: said and just felt like he wasn't accepted, particularly at

532
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 1: first he wasn't received. Well, is it the same with you?

533
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 3: They were trying hard to help me, but everything's just different,

534
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 3: you know, she got the Australian New Zealand culture slightly different,

535
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 3: you know, League. You know, League can have a harshness

536
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 3: about it, but Banta, you know it's a spade a spade.

537
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 3: Even from my under thirteenes, You've got some math and

538
00:29:56,440 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 3: it's a tough game played by tough you know people,

539
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 3: and there's so much awesome. I don't I'm not putting

540
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 3: a leg down at all. I love it. I love

541
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 3: the people in rugby league. But that's a culture and rugby.

542
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 3: We're a rural country in New Zealand. It's rural. So

543
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 3: you come from a lot of farm boys working your

544
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 3: milk and at three am if it's snow and doesn't matter,

545
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 3: you go get up. So you know, you can't be

546
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 3: a dickhead in a small town, you know. You know

547
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 3: there's connection and there's a stoicness and there's yeah so.

548
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 3: And then you've got the Polynesian who you know, a

549
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 3: lot of those guys got obviously Mary, but you've got

550
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 3: the Polynesians you come in and their mum and dads.

551
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 3: You know, they're cleaners, taxi drivers, trying to bring their

552
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:46,960
Speaker 3: family over for more opportunity, which is exactly what my

553
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 3: family did coming to Australia. So grateful to Australia, you know,

554
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 3: but they come across. So you bring that power and

555
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 3: flare of the Polynesian and the stoleicness and the of

556
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 3: the rural you know.

557
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 1: Of very league here is going how it's combined. That's

558
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 1: very grassroots.

559
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, excellent example. But so you know I came across

560
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 3: and you know some guys were stand office. Some of

561
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 3: the stand office guys some of my best better mates

562
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 3: to this day.

563
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 2: Is that they stand off. Is just because you come

564
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 2: from league. Obviously you come over as like a big deal.

565
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 2: You'd want so many premierships. Were they just a little

566
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 2: bit like who's this league? You're coming over here?

567
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 3: Possibly you'd have to ask them. It was. It was

568
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 3: so different like if I sat on the bus, there

569
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 3: was an order to wear you sat. So when I

570
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:37,000
Speaker 3: went across, I played a year in the Brisbane competition

571
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 3: for West and then seven seasons with the Broncos with

572
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 3: a lot of success playing for Australia, winning titles whatever,

573
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 3: Simon two. So that's eight season. I went across on

574
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 3: my ninth season as a pro. Some guys that's their career,

575
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. So and I go on

576
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 3: to the bus and just try and sit down somewhere

577
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 3: in the middle. You're going to go to the front.

578
00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 3: You're a rookie, a new guy. You know, that's that's

579
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 3: their way and you have to respect you don't go in.

580
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 3: You know, you respect what you come into. I learned

581
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 3: that when I played in Japan, Island, England. Respect where

582
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 3: you come into, you know, and and and over time

583
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 3: you get understanding, a feel and if your actions are

584
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 3: showing good worth, you'll get respect as well, and you'll

585
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 3: get a feel. You understand things when we are you know,

586
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 3: we be on a plane and we come across to

587
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 3: Australia on a big might be a jumpage, and I

588
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 3: just get off the off the plane. The whole team

589
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 3: stays on the plane, the Crusaders, they wait for everyone

590
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 3: to get off. So I'm waiting for my bag. How

591
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:45,479
Speaker 3: do you think I felt down there? You know? So

592
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 3: it was tough. I didn't know my way around town

593
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 3: and sometimes you know, I wouldn't know where to go

594
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 3: or I lived in a one bedroom apartment, you know.

595
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 3: So you know, they had court sessions after the games

596
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 3: where they get on the gas almost like a control way.

597
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 3: It wasn't that control And I would think, why would

598
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 3: I want to be stuck in the room with a

599
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 3: bunch of dudes. I think our footy, you know, you know,

600
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 3: my dad would want to go out that I had.

601
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 3: The cool thing was I actually gave up alcohol for

602
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 3: about a period of six years. I wasn't I wasn't

603
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 3: actually mad enough to at that time to use it properly,

604
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 3: you know. I was just getting mother.

605
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 1: Than So, yeah, that's a great tradition.

606
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 3: And I'm not the first and not the last, but

607
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 3: I remember I was I'd be drinking waters and stuff.

608
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 3: I remember thinking, you know, because my super power gift

609
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 3: as a as a drinker was I never spewed. I

610
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 3: could drink huge amount as a consumer, you know what

611
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 3: I mean by And I remember thinking, which used to

612
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 3: hurt me because I hangover, I had to process all

613
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 3: that the other you know, other guys throwing up. I'd

614
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 3: have the worst hair processing all this alcohol. Unfortunately, I'm

615
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 3: not saying that's awesome, but yeah it was. I remember

616
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 3: thinking in those court sessions, you know, if I, if

617
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 3: I was drinking, I could you know, I could be

618
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 3: dominant in this room, you know, but I'd sort of

619
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 3: made a good decision there. But a lot of the

620
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:28,839
Speaker 3: cultural stuff was different. Guys in the team meetings really

621
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:32,360
Speaker 3: stood out. We could say stuff that was quite sincere.

622
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:35,320
Speaker 3: Was that the broncos? You know, if I was saying

623
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 3: something quite sincere, I might have elfie, give me a well,

624
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 3: d be all this banter and so it was different.

625
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:48,400
Speaker 3: But do you know what wasn't different? Hard work, discipline,

626
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 3: caring about your mate, you know, uh, you know, sticking, playing,

627
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:58,280
Speaker 3: putting the team first, when when teams are under pressure,

628
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:01,320
Speaker 3: they often will get to point where they go individual

629
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 3: the crusades pride themselves and our working opposition saying we

630
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 3: do the Broncos and playing as a team, and the

631
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 3: collector putting the team first. So all those things were

632
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 3: the same. The biggest challenge was to hang in long

633
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 3: enough to hang in there. You've got fourteen year olds

634
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 3: you know more than you do. It's pretty it's very

635
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:28,240
Speaker 3: humbling and until you finally start to get instinctive because

636
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 3: until then your two players behind it, or you get

637
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,880
Speaker 3: to a breakdown and you're like, okay this we do

638
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:37,319
Speaker 3: a breakdown, it's already played. Moved on. You do this,

639
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:39,319
Speaker 3: you do you know, you can't get your line out

640
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:43,240
Speaker 3: rugby union. If you think of it as an Olympic sport,

641
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 3: it's the decathlon, it's you know, it's all these different

642
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 3: they're not related. The lineout is nothing like power scrammaging,

643
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 3: you know, picking, you know, picking, go breakdown. Mauling is

644
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:59,800
Speaker 3: like a scrum but quickly formed. The hardest one was

645
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 3: the kick off for seats where you take the ball

646
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:07,800
Speaker 3: like an AFL player above your head, you know, three

647
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 3: four meters in the air because you've got two guys

648
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 3: lifting and it's rainy and windy, and you're like so

649
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,360
Speaker 3: so people would say, oh, League and Union, you know,

650
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 3: they're getting more similar. It's like you don't understand, you know,

651
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:26,919
Speaker 3: so you have to persevere and then finally start to

652
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 3: become instinctive and then and then you know, and then

653
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 3: you start to be able to play the game and

654
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,959
Speaker 3: understand it, enjoy it, and you get worth in the team.

655
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 3: It's it's hard at the beginning when I had guys

656
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 3: looking at me and that would give me these looks keeper,

657
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:47,319
Speaker 3: you know, like you're hurting us. Yeah, I mean and

658
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 3: that is a proud guy. See that hurts, you.

659
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 2: Know, because we see so many transitions both ways Union

660
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 2: and league, but it's it's mainly in the backs, like

661
00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 2: it's very easy for us. We'll not easy, but it's

662
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 2: an easier transition for a wing. You see Mark and

663
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 2: Wogan need to He's done it the same year as

664
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:06,399
Speaker 2: you went Wendell Saylor went, it's quite easy for those

665
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 2: guys because they have to deal with breakdowns and scrummaging.

666
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 2: But to go from forward because the Union forwards it's

667
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:15,880
Speaker 2: not as conditioning hard, but it's so technical and you've

668
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:19,399
Speaker 2: got to be so educated in breakdowns, lineouts and scrummaging and.

669
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:22,280
Speaker 3: When you come out, you know, when you're it's probably

670
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:23,799
Speaker 3: another good one to talk about. You know, the lead

671
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:25,920
Speaker 3: people look at Union and go, oh, you know these

672
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 3: guys are look overweight the props and you know they

673
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 3: hardly take a run. But we do like the scrummagings.

674
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 3: Like imagine having a footy film and there's a max squat,

675
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:40,920
Speaker 3: so you're max squat. Just set up about twenty of

676
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 3: them around the park and then you have to do a.

677
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 1: Max squat and just hold it.

678
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:49,799
Speaker 3: Hold your max squat for say ten seconds. Now run

679
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 3: around and get it into your next job. Like you

680
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 3: have to get used to the game. And you come

681
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 3: out and you're lactated and you can hardly breathe, Like

682
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:02,439
Speaker 3: when you're in the scrum you can't move a foot.

683
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 3: There's nine, like I said, nine hundred killers of power

684
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 3: and pressure. And if I don't do my job as

685
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:11,359
Speaker 3: a tight head lock. I'm behind the tight end prop

686
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 3: who's like the basically the foundation of the scrum. You

687
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 3: destroy him, you destroy the scrum so that he's got

688
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 3: a guy on the outside and inside attacking him. I'm

689
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:22,440
Speaker 3: the tight head lock, so I'm sixty seven percent of

690
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 3: the power comes from the back five and I'm like

691
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 3: the V eight under the engine. So I'm giving my

692
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 3: tight head everything. And he's gone to war against two

693
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 3: guys every time, so you can understand why you build

694
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 3: a really strong connection.

695
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 2: It's funny you say that because I saw an interview

696
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 2: Taniela Tupo. You must have played with him in Queensland.

697
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 3: I played a couple of games, just a sort of

698
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 3: when I was forty one. Yeah, I played a couple

699
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 3: just to I coached them, but I wanted to play

700
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 3: next to them, just to there's a fifth I just

701
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 3: finished playing, but I wanted to. When I say hit

702
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 3: a ruck, this is what I mean.

703
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 1: Actually.

704
00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 3: You know when you're a senior player and you learn

705
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:02,400
Speaker 3: learn or flaza, you know.

706
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:03,320
Speaker 2: That sort of thing you learn the most out of

707
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 2: been like seeing it done. But Tela Tupo the tongue

708
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 2: and though big Fella and he was saying he's never

709
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 2: felt a ship like you must have been behind him

710
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 2: in the scrums and he said, I've never felt force

711
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 2: from behind me than when Brad Thorne's shoulder was like behind. Yeah,

712
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 2: you said, I've never felt a shoulder, So like.

713
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 3: It sounds pretty funny because it is right up the date,

714
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:28,719
Speaker 3: but it's if you look at it's your spine you

715
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 3: want to be. I want to be in line with

716
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 3: spot his spine and uh, it's it's all cards and

717
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:37,279
Speaker 3: you know that's how I felt. I would say to

718
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 3: the guys, you know, if you go, I'm going down

719
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:42,359
Speaker 3: with you. So there's no bailing out on you and

720
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 3: those guys if you if you mucking around in there, guys,

721
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:48,279
Speaker 3: can you guys break their neck or you know, like

722
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 3: it's a but just finishing what I said before, I

723
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:54,920
Speaker 3: only really said the Raby side. The Raby guys look

724
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 3: at league and they say, oh, you do one hit

725
00:39:56,600 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 3: up than your rest That hit up is ten meter

726
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 3: hit up. You're carrying two three guys for ax cmeters.

727
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:06,840
Speaker 3: You get to the ground there resting whatever you're working

728
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 3: your ass off to get up, You play the ball

729
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 3: and then you're moving forward. Then you've got a forty

730
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 3: meter kick chase. Hopefully you're getting used to be with us,

731
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 3: try and keep him inside the thirty. That was a win.

732
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 3: And then you've got shuttles. Ye, welcome to So I

733
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 3: remember we did some We had a league trying to

734
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:30,919
Speaker 3: come over Ash. I've got his last name, Jones, Yeah,

735
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 3: Ashley James, yeah Castle yeah yeah, but I got on

736
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 3: one with Ash and he was a league. Yeah. I

737
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 3: been a Legies and that, and we did Malcolms and

738
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:49,400
Speaker 3: and like leaguees, mate, they just fly through it, you know,

739
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:51,400
Speaker 3: up and that's a bread and butter, up and down, up,

740
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:56,279
Speaker 3: repeat effort. And the rugby guys, you know there's a

741
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 3: part one of them where you run backwards and they

742
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 3: were just you know, battle with it, and me being

743
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 3: a bigger guy, even in the rugby team, I was

744
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:08,399
Speaker 3: doing it quite well. It just there's this difference, is there.

745
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 3: So so the rugby people when they watch league just

746
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 3: understand that is a tough game. I could never play

747
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:18,279
Speaker 3: eighty minutes of league only when I was younger and

748
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:20,440
Speaker 3: I was one hundred and three killer whatever. But as

749
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 3: a big guy, I played minutes and then you know

750
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 3: I got rest or whatever. Guy like Glenna that Lazwiez

751
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 3: was a freak. Paint House is the modern day Lazo

752
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:31,720
Speaker 3: in my opinion, Yeah, the freak freak as engine. Lazo

753
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 3: was similar, like he was a free two hit ups

754
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 3: and say sex all that. And then the thing I

755
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:38,759
Speaker 3: say to the league people is with the union, just

756
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 3: understand it's it's like going into the seas, you know,

757
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:45,760
Speaker 3: at the bottom of Australia and New Zealand.

758
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:50,400
Speaker 1: There's big animals out there on the run.

759
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:52,880
Speaker 3: And you feel, you know, the mauling and all this

760
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 3: sort of stuff you're feeling like in this if I

761
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 3: go back to the scrum, I can feel if the

762
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 3: loose head's getting dominance even though he's over that side

763
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,360
Speaker 3: the hooker. I can feel the tightness. I can feel

764
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:07,239
Speaker 3: my locks, you know, so I can feel everything going on,

765
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 3: and sometimes I can feel where it just becomes me

766
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:12,759
Speaker 3: and my tight head sorry, and the hooker and the

767
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:15,399
Speaker 3: loose had are coming at him and almost like it's

768
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 3: almost like in a movie. You know, when there's the

769
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 3: spotlight in a movie on a certain part and it's

770
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:24,719
Speaker 3: just war. So what I'm saying is for the league

771
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 3: people watching rugby, it's got its Rugby's got its own things,

772
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:32,879
Speaker 3: and it is a physical game. At the top level,

773
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:36,279
Speaker 3: you get over that ball. We are flying in horizontal,

774
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:37,879
Speaker 3: trying to waste.

775
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:41,879
Speaker 1: The change like culturally and going into as you said,

776
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:44,319
Speaker 1: you did it and you had to. You weren't there

777
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 1: trust And I suppose going across to it, you know,

778
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:50,320
Speaker 1: is that you gather, you know, you get, you get pressed,

779
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 1: and you know he's coming across and sometimes plays that

780
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 1: they can resent that. Then you as you're established and

781
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 1: you start to become a senior player, Sunny Bill Williams

782
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 1: comes across. How how and now Sunny when he came across,

783
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:05,240
Speaker 1: I could only imagine it was like it was like crazy,

784
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:08,839
Speaker 1: it was a circus. I went, how did how did

785
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 1: the how did you see your players handle that? What

786
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:15,400
Speaker 1: the how was Sunny receive?

787
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:18,319
Speaker 3: I know, for me personally, it was Sonny when he

788
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 3: came to the Crusaders. The way I saw it was,

789
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:24,360
Speaker 3: I'd come across and there were guys in the Crusaders

790
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 3: who really looked out for me, Guys like Todd Blackadder

791
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:29,799
Speaker 3: and all Maxwell Greek Fig different guys. You probably won't

792
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:32,920
Speaker 3: know them, but I really appreciated that. I wanted to

793
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 3: make sure now I was entrenched a league guys coming in.

794
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:40,400
Speaker 3: I wanted to be as encouraging as support as possible,

795
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:43,880
Speaker 3: so you know, it was great to have him in there.

796
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:49,719
Speaker 3: Such an athlete, such a Rolls Royce of you know,

797
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 3: he's got that awesome ability and physique.

798
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:55,799
Speaker 1: But those Blake likes, let's say Tony like, let's say

799
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:59,320
Speaker 1: a bloke like Richie mccaor and Dan Carter the last season,

800
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:05,319
Speaker 1: hard professionals, you know, and they've dedicated their whole lives

801
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:07,720
Speaker 1: to it. You know, how did they feel? And sunny

802
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 1: coming across and getting big headlines. But it was a

803
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 1: little bit like, hey on a second mate, you got

804
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:12,320
Speaker 1: to prove yourself.

805
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 3: I think I think we liked having in the team.

806
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 3: And the thing about Sonny is he will show you

807
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:24,840
Speaker 3: his worth. You know, he's very hard trainer. You know,

808
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:28,759
Speaker 3: he's aspirational. Look at the guy went in, did boxing?

809
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 3: Did you league? Did union? I love that. I love

810
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:35,440
Speaker 3: when these guys have a crack And basically that's all

811
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 3: I did. It's just have You know, when I came

812
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:42,360
Speaker 3: across to Raby that first time, you know, when I

813
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 3: considered a success was the moment I signed, So I

814
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:49,400
Speaker 3: hadn't even gone across it because what I felt was

815
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:51,239
Speaker 3: I didn't want to be an old man and have

816
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 3: that question. Could I have You know what if I

817
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 3: grown up in New z Owne, we never meet Australia

818
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:58,279
Speaker 3: would have been good enough? Or you know what if

819
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 3: I've gone back to union and then becoming all back

820
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 3: so at least I don't know, you know, and if

821
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 3: I failed, fine, listay it didn't work whatever. So uh,

822
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 3: you know, guys like Sunny coming to the Crusaders, I

823
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 3: think he'd had two three years you've been in France

824
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 3: whatever and his I think he had an MPC, which

825
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:20,880
Speaker 3: is a really good building. Yeah, it's just like the

826
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:24,880
Speaker 3: National colp, which is a really good place to continue

827
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:27,960
Speaker 3: to great a game, and he was. We had a

828
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 3: special team that year went all the way and we

829
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:33,280
Speaker 3: just I don't if you remember, but we had an earthquake,

830
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:36,920
Speaker 3: we had games, went to London, had to come back

831
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 3: from Africa and just Scot pipped in the final.

832
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:43,719
Speaker 1: So yeah, playing the all back like you're used to

833
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 1: pressure because Brisbane Bronco is about pressure. You know, if

834
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 1: you play for Brisbane you come second where most of

835
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 1: teams go. That's a great season, brock as go failure

836
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 1: to play for the All Blacks in World Cups, like

837
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 1: like two thousand and three getting beat by the Aussies

838
00:45:56,719 --> 00:45:58,319
Speaker 1: in the semi finals.

839
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 3: Like yeah, how it was a tough week.

840
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:03,759
Speaker 1: It was, Yeah, I can the whole country.

841
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, because that's what we do and our job is

842
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:08,320
Speaker 3: to win. Like I you know, I said at the beginning,

843
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:12,880
Speaker 3: so when you put the jersey, I understand that a

844
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:16,919
Speaker 3: job is to win. Some guys that pressure can crush them,

845
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:19,960
Speaker 3: you know, some guys they thrive. For me, I loved it,

846
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:24,799
Speaker 3: you know, coming into the Broncos as a nineteen year old.

847
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:27,880
Speaker 3: Do you remember we had the Q two memories.

848
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:29,360
Speaker 1: What a prick of the ground to play for.

849
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 3: Well had a you know sometimes I'd go out there

850
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 3: and I'd see teams already beaten, just sense it. You know.

851
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:41,359
Speaker 3: That's where we were good. But at nineteen I had

852
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 3: to work out how do I handle playing in front

853
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 3: of fifty thousand in a two time title winning team,

854
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 3: you know, with these legends and Shane was the same

855
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 3: week kid and young guys coming in and you know

856
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 3: that prepares you for it gets to a space where

857
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 3: you need I need the pressure. You know, it's it's

858
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:06,719
Speaker 3: like a drug. You know, the worst thing I can have.

859
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 3: I've always said I can you can love me or

860
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:12,959
Speaker 3: you can hate me, but as long as you're there,

861
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 3: you know I need to know. So hate me. In

862
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:17,919
Speaker 3: Africa they still boomy in whatever. I was the bad guy,

863
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:22,800
Speaker 3: you know, love me somewhere whatever. But you want that pressure,

864
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 3: you want that big occasion your whole body comes to life.

865
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:29,319
Speaker 3: So that's in the All Blacks as a senior guy.

866
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:31,880
Speaker 3: Kevin Milami. I don't know if you heard of Kevy Great.

867
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:35,480
Speaker 3: He's basically the Petro of New Zealand rugby. Just absolute

868
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:40,919
Speaker 3: golden people, softest guys, but concrete him and I used

869
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 3: to mentor the young guys who'd come into the All

870
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 3: Blacks if you hadn't had three series. So we'd have

871
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 3: say June as they come down, have a try Nations,

872
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:54,719
Speaker 3: and then to at the end of the year in November. Ye,

873
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 3: so that would equate the three things. You would meet

874
00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:00,800
Speaker 3: with me and Kevy every two three weeks we'd have

875
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 3: a coffee. You might be four or five guys and

876
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 3: we just see how you're going, trying to build them

877
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 3: into the belief that hey, you got picked for a reason,

878
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 3: you belong here. We want you to to do great

879
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 3: things here, you know, so to to you know, just

880
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:19,319
Speaker 3: to see how they're going and to encourage. You would

881
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 3: see guys like a Jerome Kanno who it was in

882
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:25,439
Speaker 3: the All Blacks. You know, he's just doing this thing

883
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 3: and then finally, you know, that belief comes in. You'll

884
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:32,879
Speaker 3: see that in teams. Yeah, And you know, a guy

885
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 3: gets belief, he gets an understanding, he feels you know,

886
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 3: a connection with the guys and that respect and you

887
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:42,879
Speaker 3: see him. What we all want is just to see

888
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 3: him play to his potential. So that's the challenge and

889
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 3: like I said in the All Blacks sometimes that can

890
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:50,440
Speaker 3: crush guys. Me and Kevy was our sort of job

891
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 3: to try and you know, encourage him along.

892
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 2: The All Blacks to meet It seems like it seems

893
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:57,920
Speaker 2: like to me it's always been the apex of like

894
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 2: culture leadership and mine set in sport. They seem like

895
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 2: a kind of They used to come over when I

896
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 2: was at the Storm quite a bit and just take

897
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:08,120
Speaker 2: they take pieces, always wanting to get better from as

898
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:10,080
Speaker 2: many different sports and teams as possible.

899
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:11,759
Speaker 3: They had a lot of respect for the Storm. I

900
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:14,360
Speaker 3: know that Wayne Smith, I think had a good connection

901
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:17,400
Speaker 3: with Craig Bell. Yeah, do they for you?

902
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:19,960
Speaker 2: Being a part of like so many champion teams. When

903
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 2: you look at the All Blacks in that sense of

904
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:26,440
Speaker 2: leadership culture mindset, is that the apex for you?

905
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:32,920
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, like far out settling up next to the Webby,

906
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:36,839
Speaker 3: like we talked about a sex Shane Webki on one

907
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 3: side of me, great man Petro on the other far out.

908
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:45,719
Speaker 3: You know, I think we've all got pet Webby might

909
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:48,719
Speaker 3: have three kids, Petro has got four. I got four.

910
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 3: You know, you got luck, You've got these other guys there.

911
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:56,360
Speaker 3: Like I said before, Alfie, it was pretty special that

912
00:49:56,800 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 3: rock environment to be in origin to play a frustrate

913
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 3: next to these great guys like Lori Darty and these guys.

914
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:06,719
Speaker 3: I don't want to take away from that, because they

915
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:11,319
Speaker 3: were groups of men that demanded success as well, you know,

916
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:15,800
Speaker 3: and earned the right to achieve that. In the All Blacks,

917
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 3: you've got to remember, yep, we've got that, you know,

918
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:23,560
Speaker 3: one hundred odd years of performance and you know we

919
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:25,879
Speaker 3: take it seriously in the way of the nation's on us.

920
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:29,319
Speaker 3: But we've been falling short in World Cups. We had

921
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:31,799
Speaker 3: a twenty four years drought from ninety seven, the first

922
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:33,000
Speaker 3: one to eleven.

923
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:33,759
Speaker 1: That incredible.

924
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, so when it mattered, when it mattered, what would

925
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:40,719
Speaker 3: happen is we play this attractive Rugby all Blacks show.

926
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 3: You know, we pack out stadiums in Europe or whatever.

927
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 3: You get to World Cup. It's a different it's a

928
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 3: different game. You've got your four round robin that can

929
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:52,719
Speaker 3: almost put you in a sense of that can sometimes

930
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 3: not help you. You kicking, kicking big scores, you know whatever.

931
00:50:56,920 --> 00:51:00,479
Speaker 3: For me, that meant nothing. Two thousand level that wasn't

932
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:03,799
Speaker 3: interested in it. I was interested in the build. For me,

933
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 3: it became business time first quarter final and I kept

934
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 3: For me personally, it was like thank you, I come

935
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:12,239
Speaker 3: to life. Something's on the line here and like I

936
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:14,400
Speaker 3: said before, from a nineteen year old part front of

937
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:17,480
Speaker 3: fifty thousand, that's in my DNA and you know I

938
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:20,759
Speaker 3: almost I need that. Yea. That's when I it's like

939
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 3: I can breathe.

940
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:22,440
Speaker 1: You know.

941
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 3: Now there's pressure. I know that I understand it. And

942
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:30,439
Speaker 3: that group of guys we were determined to get something done.

943
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 3: And you know we're down to our fourth number ten

944
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:38,239
Speaker 3: in the final, which is Stephen Donald came out, Dan

945
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 3: Carter went down, you know, Aaron Cruden whatever. So Richie

946
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:45,400
Speaker 3: had an injury, he couldn't train with the team. He

947
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:48,960
Speaker 3: was just out there. And the best part about that was,

948
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 3: you know, the game was won eight seven against the French.

949
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:56,879
Speaker 3: And I'll forever have respect for those Frenchmen. They were

950
00:51:57,120 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 3: played so proud for their country and they brought every

951
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:04,160
Speaker 3: everything they had. And uh and for what you know,

952
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:06,880
Speaker 3: for a long time, the All Blacks learned how to

953
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:09,879
Speaker 3: win ugly. And it was ugly. It was unpleasant, it

954
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 3: was there's a yuck feeling. But it was just the

955
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:15,080
Speaker 3: same thing you know in Origin, keep turning up for

956
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:18,200
Speaker 3: your mate to play what's in front of you. Uh

957
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:21,480
Speaker 3: and and and who wants it more? And and uh

958
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 3: you know we got that result that day. But yeah,

959
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:27,080
Speaker 3: I don't want to take away from league so many

960
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:30,719
Speaker 3: special leaders and teams to be part of that All

961
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:32,160
Speaker 3: Black Yeah, it has an aura.

962
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 2: What's what's Dean Carter like as a as a leader

963
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:38,640
Speaker 2: and a trainer? Like what's he about him?

964
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 3: You know, it's cool talking about it because you know,

965
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:47,360
Speaker 3: I said Petro was the Ossie version of Kevy. Lucky

966
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:50,920
Speaker 3: to me is the Ossie version of Dan. The difference

967
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:54,239
Speaker 3: the big difference with Dan and what separates Dan Carr

968
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:56,480
Speaker 3: and Dan Locket Darren Locket. I got the pleasure of

969
00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:59,839
Speaker 3: playing with both of them. The difference is about ten killer.

970
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 3: Dan's like ninety three country boy. Lockie is a country

971
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:09,120
Speaker 3: boy from Roma. Dan's from south I used to call

972
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:12,359
Speaker 3: him a Southbridge bogan. You know, I'm I'm the third

973
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 3: generation bog.

974
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:20,239
Speaker 1: Himself, but six generation. Don't worry about to be seven good?

975
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:26,480
Speaker 3: How good? He's really great mate, but he's a country

976
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:32,600
Speaker 3: boy from Southbridge. And so Dan and uh Lockey had

977
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:39,360
Speaker 3: all these great kicking game competitors, you know, their ballplay,

978
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:44,040
Speaker 3: incredible instinct to run. But with Dan having that like

979
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:47,120
Speaker 3: Lockie was like early days eighty three killer, I think

980
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:50,839
Speaker 3: he got to eighty five, euty six. Uh you know,

981
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:54,000
Speaker 3: having that power that size from Dan made it is

982
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:58,000
Speaker 3: a tough defender. Could get over the ball, you know,

983
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:01,239
Speaker 3: getting over the ball in rugby, you got guys like

984
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 3: me trying to kill you. You know, we see ten,

985
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:07,160
Speaker 3: you know the main ballplayer we are trying to destroy you.

986
00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:11,160
Speaker 3: You know he would he's a very good defender. So

987
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:15,520
Speaker 3: he got a strong defender at ten and he'd run

988
00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:22,120
Speaker 3: hard and whereas Lucky didn't have that that side to

989
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:25,840
Speaker 3: his game. Not taking away from an absolute champion of

990
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 3: the game, but to me, that's the difference personality. Why

991
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:31,759
Speaker 3: similar quite quite a guys, but could be loose, you know,

992
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:37,040
Speaker 3: I mean they are having a good time, you know,

993
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:40,359
Speaker 3: similar like that, those sort of guys, you know, they

994
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:46,120
Speaker 3: get zeroed in amount of attention and pressure. You can understand,

995
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:48,400
Speaker 3: you know, that balance from.

996
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 1: Bad pressure before And I remember we interviewed Eddie Jones

997
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 1: and I said to Eddie, what's one of the biggest

998
00:54:56,719 --> 00:54:58,960
Speaker 1: challenges with the English rugby union side as far as

999
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:02,239
Speaker 1: the other big tournaments. There's a tendency of late to underachieve.

1000
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:05,319
Speaker 1: And he said the pressure that's applied through tabloids. He said,

1001
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:08,840
Speaker 1: the pressure is just huge. When you won in twenty eleven,

1002
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:12,600
Speaker 1: finally you won it, what was the sensation was it

1003
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:16,800
Speaker 1: like pure joy? Was it relief? A bit of both?

1004
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:20,879
Speaker 3: Similar Like when we won those I said, those first

1005
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:23,279
Speaker 3: three Bronco titles and then we hit we were the

1006
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:26,279
Speaker 3: underdogs for the Storm. It was like relief because you

1007
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:31,600
Speaker 3: are the top dominant team. Massive relief. Yeah, you know,

1008
00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:35,680
Speaker 3: I was zoned in from that, Like I said, the

1009
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:38,720
Speaker 3: quarter final for three weeks. I considered that the Grand Final,

1010
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:41,160
Speaker 3: Grand Finals. You know, I'd played four for the Broncos,

1011
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:44,920
Speaker 3: four for the Crusaders and all that experience and whatever,

1012
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:47,840
Speaker 3: and you have to with the quarter of the semi

1013
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:52,320
Speaker 3: the final. You don't need to bullshit. It's still a die,

1014
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:54,760
Speaker 3: so you can be thinking about that. In two thousand

1015
00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:56,959
Speaker 3: and seven, they had a plan for the semi final.

1016
00:55:57,000 --> 00:56:00,160
Speaker 3: Guess what, You're going home after the quarter So you

1017
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:03,920
Speaker 3: have to have a Grand Final mindset because it's all

1018
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:06,680
Speaker 3: or nothing, So save anything for the next week. You

1019
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:08,480
Speaker 3: but you got to earn the right to be there.

1020
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:12,640
Speaker 3: For me. I've got like for me, which I appreciate.

1021
00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:14,680
Speaker 3: I've got like a gift where I just see nothing

1022
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:18,560
Speaker 3: past my I just see blackness. I've always had that

1023
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:22,960
Speaker 3: where until the minute after they win that quarter final,

1024
00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:25,200
Speaker 3: then it's like on a video game, you know, to

1025
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:26,799
Speaker 3: unlock another thing.

1026
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:28,879
Speaker 1: That's a great gift.

1027
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:33,319
Speaker 3: Yeah. So so yeah, you've got to You've got to,

1028
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:37,640
Speaker 3: you know, front on each one of those. And but

1029
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:40,759
Speaker 3: by the time I got to the final, won out

1030
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:45,160
Speaker 3: and I wake up that morning, it's crook, and some

1031
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:48,440
Speaker 3: things didn't go our way with the line out, you

1032
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:50,799
Speaker 3: know where I think we kicked two from seven. P

1033
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:54,520
Speaker 3: had heard his growing so we couldn't build score repression,

1034
00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:56,920
Speaker 3: like I said the French as the French always do,

1035
00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:02,680
Speaker 3: like I said, oh my, I'll salute the French. I

1036
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:06,239
Speaker 3: love the Balot. But when we won that game, for me,

1037
00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:09,000
Speaker 3: it was like walking away from a car crash. Wow,

1038
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:14,360
Speaker 3: just absolute, like in shock of just the pressure and

1039
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:17,480
Speaker 3: the weight. And you know, being the oldest guy. That

1040
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:20,280
Speaker 3: was my last test for the All Blacks game number

1041
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:23,560
Speaker 3: sixty fifty nine tests and everything was on the line.

1042
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:28,480
Speaker 3: I was the most senior guy, and you know, all

1043
00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:30,800
Speaker 3: that came out. I felt on my knees. You know,

1044
00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:33,040
Speaker 3: I'd seen guys like melmanning a memory and crying at

1045
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:36,280
Speaker 3: eighty nine and different guys, and I felt on my

1046
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:40,720
Speaker 3: knees bawling, and all that energy came out. And I

1047
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:44,640
Speaker 3: didn't have to with the All Blacks because of the

1048
00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:49,320
Speaker 3: two thousand and seven teenth where they went out in

1049
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:52,640
Speaker 3: the quarters. They had like a review, that six month

1050
00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:54,440
Speaker 3: review the next year, and that there was a bit

1051
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:57,760
Speaker 3: of baggage those guys. For me, I felt I had

1052
00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:01,200
Speaker 3: to show strength around the team, like instead of just

1053
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:04,160
Speaker 3: in the game, even just in general. I'm always putting

1054
00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:07,440
Speaker 3: on like a front, not over the top, but just

1055
00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:09,840
Speaker 3: it wasn't until I go back to my room and

1056
00:58:11,160 --> 00:58:15,480
Speaker 3: I get to just just and just be myself. And

1057
00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:19,160
Speaker 3: I remember in that twenty eleven, in that three weeks,

1058
00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:21,640
Speaker 3: I remember I had I didn't like the nighttime because

1059
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:24,960
Speaker 3: I had heart palpitations. So that's the I haven't heard

1060
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:28,560
Speaker 3: that before. Well that's where your heart like flotters a bit. Yeah,

1061
00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:31,640
Speaker 3: and it was just the it was just the NonStop

1062
00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:36,320
Speaker 3: pressure of you know, being around that. But yeah, we

1063
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:39,280
Speaker 3: got the job done. Was it until the next day

1064
00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:43,440
Speaker 3: where we you know, went out celebrated two hundred and

1065
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:47,320
Speaker 3: fifty thousand Auckland has come out, And finally I got

1066
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:50,920
Speaker 3: to feel some elation and joy and shame for Richie.

1067
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:54,600
Speaker 3: He was exactly the same he you know, he felt similar.

1068
00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:57,280
Speaker 2: And then you know, so where does that in comparison

1069
00:58:57,320 --> 00:59:00,680
Speaker 2: to like a mad Monday NRL setup after you win

1070
00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:04,560
Speaker 2: a Grand Final, winning winning a World cut. How does

1071
00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:05,080
Speaker 2: that compare?

1072
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:05,320
Speaker 3: Is it?

1073
00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:06,120
Speaker 2: Do they celebrate?

1074
00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:07,280
Speaker 1: I imagine a lot.

1075
00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:11,320
Speaker 3: Of So it was such relief from the bottom of

1076
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:14,320
Speaker 3: the South Oland to the top to expats around the world.

1077
00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:18,200
Speaker 3: It was just a relief and you know, you heard

1078
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:21,920
Speaker 3: about people just crying and yelling in the street, Like

1079
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:25,720
Speaker 3: we would getting the bus at the hotel the Heritage

1080
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:27,280
Speaker 3: in the middle of Walklord and we'd go out to

1081
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:30,600
Speaker 3: Eden Park and it was lined up. I'd be in

1082
00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:33,680
Speaker 3: the bus with you know, you know, oh minute, I'd

1083
00:59:33,720 --> 00:59:36,440
Speaker 3: have tears, you know, rolling down my face just before

1084
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:38,560
Speaker 3: the game. You know, you see the rgs and that

1085
00:59:38,560 --> 00:59:40,880
Speaker 3: that the friends who get passionate. Yeah, I had tears

1086
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:44,760
Speaker 3: rolling down my face just they were They're basically saying

1087
00:59:45,200 --> 00:59:50,520
Speaker 3: we're with you, and you know, the celebration probably was

1088
00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:53,200
Speaker 3: crazy for everyone. I was a thirty six year old

1089
00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:57,080
Speaker 3: father of four. Like I said, I that fell that

1090
00:59:57,200 --> 01:00:00,400
Speaker 3: pressure and I actually went to bed, you know, with

1091
01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:05,280
Speaker 3: my wife, and you know, within three days I was

1092
01:00:05,320 --> 01:00:08,720
Speaker 3: going to Japan. I played two weeks later, I believe

1093
01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:11,080
Speaker 3: it or not, and it was and you know, when

1094
01:00:11,080 --> 01:00:15,480
Speaker 3: they had that nucolor problem two weeks later, I was

1095
01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:20,280
Speaker 3: one hundred kilometers away from there, playing a Japanese team

1096
01:00:20,720 --> 01:00:24,680
Speaker 3: with about three thousand people win a fifty thousand crowd stadium,

1097
01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:26,680
Speaker 3: just thinking what the heck am I doing?

1098
01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:32,280
Speaker 1: Not necessarily shit out Thoughty, I mean, all the things

1099
01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:35,960
Speaker 1: you've done European Rugby. You just everywhere you went, your

1100
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:41,800
Speaker 1: win finish at forty one, going into coaching, coaching as

1101
01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:45,600
Speaker 1: far as rewards and pressure, how does that competer playing?

1102
01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:49,920
Speaker 3: It's the second to play. Nothing is better. Yeah, it

1103
01:00:50,040 --> 01:00:54,520
Speaker 3: is so good and everyone in this room got to play.

1104
01:00:54,560 --> 01:00:57,200
Speaker 3: And how good is it, you know, to go out

1105
01:00:57,200 --> 01:01:00,800
Speaker 3: and play footy coachings. I remember Robbie Deans saying to me,

1106
01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:02,960
Speaker 3: he's an All Black. I used to watch them in

1107
01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:06,040
Speaker 3: the eighties, you know, playing for Canterbury and it's the

1108
01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:10,360
Speaker 3: next best thing. Thorny. I remember saying that, you know,

1109
01:01:10,560 --> 01:01:16,120
Speaker 3: being involved. That sort of happened because playing all my

1110
01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:18,880
Speaker 3: Arabia and New Zealand, a lot of people would think, oh,

1111
01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:21,560
Speaker 3: you'll go back to New Zealand. Brisbane's my home, It's

1112
01:01:21,560 --> 01:01:24,000
Speaker 3: where I've grown up since I seven. My father's buried there.

1113
01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:27,480
Speaker 3: You know. I've got three sons born in Australia, my

1114
01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:31,360
Speaker 3: wife and my daughters born in New Zealand. But yeah,

1115
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:33,480
Speaker 3: to come back there, and there was an opportunity with

1116
01:01:33,520 --> 01:01:39,439
Speaker 3: the Reds, with the under twenties to have a role

1117
01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:42,080
Speaker 3: as a four's cage and I thought, I thought to myself,

1118
01:01:42,120 --> 01:01:45,760
Speaker 3: I played for twenty two years. You know, footy, surely

1119
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:47,480
Speaker 3: I know how to cache from seventeen year olds, you

1120
01:01:47,520 --> 01:01:51,560
Speaker 3: know what I mean. And that quickly over a two

1121
01:01:51,640 --> 01:01:55,560
Speaker 3: year period we had a pretty cool success. And I

1122
01:01:55,600 --> 01:01:57,960
Speaker 3: guess I was cheap. And you know, the club was

1123
01:01:58,040 --> 01:02:01,360
Speaker 3: nine men and dad and they wanted to change there

1124
01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:05,480
Speaker 3: and they said, we have a crack. And you know,

1125
01:02:06,120 --> 01:02:08,240
Speaker 3: if you look at one thing about my career, that's

1126
01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:10,320
Speaker 3: why I said, I respect, you know, guys like Sunny

1127
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:12,280
Speaker 3: and these different guys have a crack. You know, I

1128
01:02:12,320 --> 01:02:16,360
Speaker 3: have a crack and I have a guy. And I

1129
01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:22,320
Speaker 3: had six years there and before that, I always say

1130
01:02:22,360 --> 01:02:24,600
Speaker 3: that first year in rugby. Had always said that was

1131
01:02:24,640 --> 01:02:27,960
Speaker 3: the hardest year of my life, but one of the

1132
01:02:27,960 --> 01:02:31,680
Speaker 3: most important years in my life because character was tested, humility,

1133
01:02:31,720 --> 01:02:34,160
Speaker 3: all those things and I had to hang in there.

1134
01:02:34,600 --> 01:02:37,520
Speaker 3: I always said that was what I do again, probably not,

1135
01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:41,280
Speaker 3: but one of the most important years. The head coaching

1136
01:02:41,480 --> 01:02:45,440
Speaker 3: was another five ten levels above that. Yeah, it was

1137
01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:53,400
Speaker 3: heavy duty, managing up, managing down players, managers, media academies,

1138
01:02:54,680 --> 01:02:57,880
Speaker 3: having four kids, four three sons in their teenage years,

1139
01:02:58,480 --> 01:03:02,200
Speaker 3: you know, you know then Tim Ages, Yeah, you know,

1140
01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:05,280
Speaker 3: we were renovating her house my mother had Alzheimer's. She

1141
01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:06,600
Speaker 3: lived with us for a year and a half. That

1142
01:03:06,760 --> 01:03:09,760
Speaker 3: was you know she's now, you know, taking her back

1143
01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:12,120
Speaker 3: to christ Shir. It's my brother. I have no relations

1144
01:03:12,160 --> 01:03:14,960
Speaker 3: in Australia, only my wife's family. All my relations are

1145
01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:17,040
Speaker 3: back in New Zealand. So I took mum home and

1146
01:03:17,560 --> 01:03:20,000
Speaker 3: obviously Dad's been going for thirty years. We look out

1147
01:03:20,040 --> 01:03:23,280
Speaker 3: for mum, me and my brother, so which is a shame.

1148
01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:26,840
Speaker 3: But all that sort of packaged in there, and you know,

1149
01:03:26,920 --> 01:03:30,560
Speaker 3: it wasn't like I was what I found was there.

1150
01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:32,640
Speaker 3: It was an easy story there because I had a

1151
01:03:32,680 --> 01:03:34,640
Speaker 3: bit of a profile of being an ex player, so

1152
01:03:34,680 --> 01:03:39,960
Speaker 3: you're always Benji's always you know, there's an easy story there,

1153
01:03:40,120 --> 01:03:44,920
Speaker 3: you know, and you know I watching I remember watching

1154
01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:46,840
Speaker 3: Benji the having a go at him about, you know,

1155
01:03:47,080 --> 01:03:50,480
Speaker 3: spending time with the balance of family time. I had

1156
01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:54,080
Speaker 3: a saying that the Crusaders at the Reds, as a coach,

1157
01:03:54,880 --> 01:03:57,040
Speaker 3: the family comes first. That's set that to the players

1158
01:03:57,040 --> 01:03:59,800
Speaker 3: and the staff. Do you know who I was really

1159
01:03:59,800 --> 01:04:03,560
Speaker 3: saying that, Tea? I said it to myself because you

1160
01:04:03,640 --> 01:04:07,000
Speaker 3: get so wrapped up and it's all about winning, and

1161
01:04:07,080 --> 01:04:12,800
Speaker 3: that it's that balance of hang on mate, you know,

1162
01:04:14,120 --> 01:04:16,440
Speaker 3: I want to World Cup in two eleven. That was

1163
01:04:16,560 --> 01:04:21,120
Speaker 3: fourth World Cups ago. They moved on the building of

1164
01:04:21,240 --> 01:04:24,120
Speaker 3: character in young man, the game of League, League and

1165
01:04:24,240 --> 01:04:28,440
Speaker 3: Union character games where you put you know, you learn selflessness,

1166
01:04:28,440 --> 01:04:30,480
Speaker 3: you put the team first, you play female, all this

1167
01:04:30,520 --> 01:04:33,560
Speaker 3: sort of stuff. So try to remember that, not just

1168
01:04:33,600 --> 01:04:37,600
Speaker 3: the winning and the losing, remembering how important one thing

1169
01:04:37,640 --> 01:04:39,680
Speaker 3: I was always aware of. I only get this one

1170
01:04:39,720 --> 01:04:44,560
Speaker 3: time with my kids at that age. You know, I

1171
01:04:44,600 --> 01:04:47,160
Speaker 3: don't want to be where I'm at now and go

1172
01:04:48,040 --> 01:04:50,680
Speaker 3: I wish That's one of the famous sayings they say

1173
01:04:50,760 --> 01:04:55,240
Speaker 3: when a person's having his last words. I wish great business,

1174
01:04:55,320 --> 01:04:58,960
Speaker 3: great this. I wish I spent more time with my family. Yeah,

1175
01:04:59,120 --> 01:05:02,640
Speaker 3: so that's that battle as well, and that's why it's

1176
01:05:02,640 --> 01:05:04,840
Speaker 3: so cool. Send you guys work.

1177
01:05:06,160 --> 01:05:08,360
Speaker 1: My death bed. I'll be saying, jeers, I should have

1178
01:05:08,400 --> 01:05:16,240
Speaker 1: just had more me time. One I really we're going

1179
01:05:16,320 --> 01:05:19,280
Speaker 1: to finish with this game to search all the blace

1180
01:05:19,360 --> 01:05:21,400
Speaker 1: you play with. But I'd just like to say this

1181
01:05:22,920 --> 01:05:25,480
Speaker 1: and get that anxiety is such a massive thing in

1182
01:05:25,520 --> 01:05:27,920
Speaker 1: society these days. Whether we're shining a light on the more,

1183
01:05:28,080 --> 01:05:30,200
Speaker 1: whether it's the nature of social media, and the modern world.

1184
01:05:30,280 --> 01:05:33,760
Speaker 1: It's just everything's happened so quick. It's such a critical

1185
01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:39,480
Speaker 1: world as well. For you, you said, you still have anxiety,

1186
01:05:40,360 --> 01:05:43,840
Speaker 1: and you're you're so good, you've been able to master yourself.

1187
01:05:44,440 --> 01:05:45,640
Speaker 1: How do you deal with anxiety?

1188
01:05:46,080 --> 01:05:48,920
Speaker 3: Break? My breaker is how I learned. So I just

1189
01:05:48,920 --> 01:05:51,000
Speaker 3: thought it was a little bit nuts. We didn't have

1190
01:05:51,040 --> 01:05:53,440
Speaker 3: a name for it. You know. I spoke to a

1191
01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:55,560
Speaker 3: guy the other day. He said he felt better hearing

1192
01:05:55,560 --> 01:05:59,360
Speaker 3: that that batter with stuff. He heard that I had

1193
01:05:59,360 --> 01:06:02,320
Speaker 3: a bit of anxiety. It sort of helped. It helped

1194
01:06:02,360 --> 01:06:04,920
Speaker 3: me that they actually talked about mental health in the

1195
01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:08,000
Speaker 3: last ten years, because until then you didn't talk to

1196
01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:12,960
Speaker 3: anyone about it. You just got to you just wired differently.

1197
01:06:12,960 --> 01:06:16,040
Speaker 3: I knew he was in my family, and my granddad

1198
01:06:16,080 --> 01:06:19,000
Speaker 3: dealt with it by being an alcoholic. God bless him,

1199
01:06:19,040 --> 01:06:21,800
Speaker 3: and you know he he ended up being a guy

1200
01:06:21,840 --> 01:06:24,680
Speaker 3: that helped people in AA. He went to AA, talked

1201
01:06:24,680 --> 01:06:28,120
Speaker 3: to a priest, went to AA. But that connection with

1202
01:06:28,200 --> 01:06:31,480
Speaker 3: my father was never really ill. But yeah, so for

1203
01:06:31,560 --> 01:06:34,200
Speaker 3: me it was pricked by Brick. I was at university

1204
01:06:34,240 --> 01:06:36,960
Speaker 3: where it really hit hard the first time, and I

1205
01:06:37,040 --> 01:06:39,640
Speaker 3: was first at union. I was just in the lecture

1206
01:06:39,680 --> 01:06:42,600
Speaker 3: theater and just freaking out, just felt terrible. I've got

1207
01:06:42,640 --> 01:06:45,120
Speaker 3: to get out of there. I get out of there.

1208
01:06:45,160 --> 01:06:47,959
Speaker 3: What's going on? I'm soaked and sweat and fell and weird.

1209
01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:51,040
Speaker 3: And I did a tutory next day, same thing. Before

1210
01:06:51,080 --> 01:06:53,960
Speaker 3: it even started. What's going on? I said to my mum,

1211
01:06:54,040 --> 01:06:55,760
Speaker 3: I don't know if I can go to Union anymore.

1212
01:06:56,400 --> 01:07:00,240
Speaker 3: Imagine sitting from Wayne Bennett's meeting room, trying to sit

1213
01:07:00,320 --> 01:07:04,040
Speaker 3: there with anxiety. You know, had nothing to do with

1214
01:07:04,240 --> 01:07:06,720
Speaker 3: what they were doing. Obviously respect for him as a

1215
01:07:06,760 --> 01:07:10,400
Speaker 3: cage and the Saint players, but just this thing that

1216
01:07:10,400 --> 01:07:15,640
Speaker 3: that's somehow in my family line. And you know what

1217
01:07:15,760 --> 01:07:17,640
Speaker 3: I realized. I said to mom, I might not be

1218
01:07:17,640 --> 01:07:21,080
Speaker 3: able to get Unimore. She's too bad, you know. She

1219
01:07:21,080 --> 01:07:27,280
Speaker 3: she was strong farm girl, and she said, you know

1220
01:07:27,840 --> 01:07:30,400
Speaker 3: you got to go. And I thought to myself, well,

1221
01:07:31,000 --> 01:07:34,040
Speaker 3: there's no more running. I'm not running anymore. I got

1222
01:07:34,080 --> 01:07:36,360
Speaker 3: a stand and fight. I know that sounds ridiculous. Who

1223
01:07:36,360 --> 01:07:39,240
Speaker 3: am I standing fighting against? But this is so powerful?

1224
01:07:39,760 --> 01:07:43,800
Speaker 3: And you know that next lecture I went to I

1225
01:07:43,960 --> 01:07:46,840
Speaker 3: through the kitchen sink. Mentally, everything I had to do

1226
01:07:46,920 --> 01:07:49,160
Speaker 3: to stay in that chair because because I'd run a

1227
01:07:49,160 --> 01:07:52,640
Speaker 3: couple of times. It was so soaked and sweat. My

1228
01:07:52,680 --> 01:07:54,560
Speaker 3: tongue is too big from her mouth. It's just an

1229
01:07:54,640 --> 01:07:57,080
Speaker 3: lecture there. It's like I was sitting here natural, relax whatever,

1230
01:07:57,360 --> 01:07:59,760
Speaker 3: but I'm under you know, what the heck is this?

1231
01:08:00,120 --> 01:08:03,040
Speaker 3: You know? And I got through it and I finally

1232
01:08:03,200 --> 01:08:07,959
Speaker 3: come drenched and sweat whatever. And then lecture by letter

1233
01:08:08,320 --> 01:08:13,200
Speaker 3: shoot meetings at the Broncos brick By Brick, I just

1234
01:08:13,200 --> 01:08:16,479
Speaker 3: just sit there and sometimes you know, Wayne would ask me,

1235
01:08:16,520 --> 01:08:19,240
Speaker 3: you know, you know something around what we talked about.

1236
01:08:19,280 --> 01:08:21,760
Speaker 3: I didn't know. I wasn't listening. I was just trying

1237
01:08:21,760 --> 01:08:26,360
Speaker 3: to stay in the room sometimes understand and do they know?

1238
01:08:26,479 --> 01:08:27,599
Speaker 2: Do they know that was going on there?

1239
01:08:27,640 --> 01:08:27,760
Speaker 3: Now?

1240
01:08:27,960 --> 01:08:32,000
Speaker 1: No? No, No, I don't talk about I talked.

1241
01:08:31,760 --> 01:08:34,720
Speaker 3: About this stuff. And you know, I didn't even talk

1242
01:08:34,800 --> 01:08:37,880
Speaker 3: to my father about it. And you know, I remember

1243
01:08:38,040 --> 01:08:40,799
Speaker 3: he told me he forced himself to do toast masters

1244
01:08:40,960 --> 01:08:44,559
Speaker 3: and he put his hand up when they're opportunities. I

1245
01:08:44,600 --> 01:08:50,120
Speaker 3: reckon he had his own battles. Yeah, So for me,

1246
01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:54,519
Speaker 3: you know, bit by bit with those when I say

1247
01:08:54,520 --> 01:08:56,760
Speaker 3: brick By Brick, I got through that meeting, I got

1248
01:08:56,760 --> 01:08:59,960
Speaker 3: through that lecture. I built on that, and uh, it's

1249
01:09:00,080 --> 01:09:03,360
Speaker 3: a similar mindset to the footy. No backwards step everything,

1250
01:09:03,400 --> 01:09:08,240
Speaker 3: You've got to go forward, no forward. And and it's

1251
01:09:08,920 --> 01:09:12,200
Speaker 3: it trained my mind because it's a lot of negatives

1252
01:09:12,280 --> 01:09:14,640
Speaker 3: coming in you and you realize the power of it

1253
01:09:14,640 --> 01:09:17,720
Speaker 3: can and swamp here. But the strength is, you know,

1254
01:09:17,840 --> 01:09:19,679
Speaker 3: you can put a lot of positives in your mind.

1255
01:09:19,880 --> 01:09:22,960
Speaker 3: And you know. And the other big thing it did

1256
01:09:23,000 --> 01:09:26,720
Speaker 3: money was compassion. I'd sat there and I was at

1257
01:09:26,800 --> 01:09:28,840
Speaker 3: church with my family one day and this lady's at

1258
01:09:28,840 --> 01:09:30,840
Speaker 3: the front talking about depression. I'm like, just get on

1259
01:09:30,880 --> 01:09:32,920
Speaker 3: my life. What do you want? What are you wanting about?

1260
01:09:33,000 --> 01:09:35,880
Speaker 3: You know, it's a bit ruthless. And when that happened

1261
01:09:35,920 --> 01:09:39,360
Speaker 3: to me, that sat me on my ass. And and

1262
01:09:39,400 --> 01:09:42,240
Speaker 3: then I thought, if this is how bad anxiousness is,

1263
01:09:42,920 --> 01:09:47,360
Speaker 3: you can only imagine depression, you know. So compassions are

1264
01:09:47,439 --> 01:09:49,880
Speaker 3: so important, you know. And so as a coach, you know,

1265
01:09:49,960 --> 01:09:52,439
Speaker 3: if I was talking to a guy sometimes you guys down,

1266
01:09:52,479 --> 01:09:55,120
Speaker 3: if I con sense that they were battling away, I

1267
01:09:55,120 --> 01:09:58,920
Speaker 3: would I would communicate more with them to just be

1268
01:09:59,280 --> 01:10:02,760
Speaker 3: side by side or whatever. So you have that compassion,

1269
01:10:02,800 --> 01:10:04,920
Speaker 3: and I think it was a real weapon for me

1270
01:10:05,840 --> 01:10:10,080
Speaker 3: as a player because you can be tall and you

1271
01:10:10,120 --> 01:10:12,080
Speaker 3: know you can do your German be this big guy.

1272
01:10:12,160 --> 01:10:15,760
Speaker 3: But you know, we all know this is where it's at,

1273
01:10:15,800 --> 01:10:21,480
Speaker 3: and you refine me in my discipline, in my attitude,

1274
01:10:22,160 --> 01:10:25,479
Speaker 3: you know, of applying what I was trying to play

1275
01:10:25,840 --> 01:10:26,519
Speaker 3: under pressure.

1276
01:10:26,880 --> 01:10:30,200
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's so funny. How like in a sporting environment,

1277
01:10:30,520 --> 01:10:33,200
Speaker 2: like particularly in your day, but even the modern sort

1278
01:10:33,240 --> 01:10:36,639
Speaker 2: of generation where you might want to physically you don't

1279
01:10:36,680 --> 01:10:38,800
Speaker 2: want to show like you're hurt sometimes a training because

1280
01:10:38,840 --> 01:10:40,320
Speaker 2: you think, oh that the coach is going to think

1281
01:10:40,320 --> 01:10:41,920
Speaker 2: I'm soft, or he might not pit me this week

1282
01:10:41,960 --> 01:10:44,080
Speaker 2: because I'm carrying half an injury. It's the same with

1283
01:10:44,240 --> 01:10:49,040
Speaker 2: mental health anxiety depression players. I think why it festers

1284
01:10:49,080 --> 01:10:52,040
Speaker 2: out when people retire and it gets worse because their

1285
01:10:52,040 --> 01:10:54,479
Speaker 2: whole career they'll pretend like if they are anxious, they'll

1286
01:10:54,640 --> 01:10:56,960
Speaker 2: they'll put on a front like they're not because out

1287
01:10:56,960 --> 01:10:59,000
Speaker 2: of fear a coach might not pick them or a

1288
01:10:59,000 --> 01:11:01,240
Speaker 2: club might get rid of because they see it as weakness.

1289
01:11:01,800 --> 01:11:04,680
Speaker 2: But I feel like that the newer generation, Jack and

1290
01:11:04,720 --> 01:11:06,200
Speaker 2: I do a lot of some work now with like

1291
01:11:06,400 --> 01:11:09,280
Speaker 2: the under ninet's at Manly and whatnot. But you can

1292
01:11:09,320 --> 01:11:12,200
Speaker 2: see it now with the younger generation there, they sort

1293
01:11:12,240 --> 01:11:14,839
Speaker 2: of have got it right where they're not really afraid

1294
01:11:14,880 --> 01:11:17,920
Speaker 2: to show their emotions and they're not really afraid to

1295
01:11:17,960 --> 01:11:19,120
Speaker 2: talk out about that.

1296
01:11:19,160 --> 01:11:19,400
Speaker 3: You know.

1297
01:11:19,640 --> 01:11:22,120
Speaker 1: It's funny Thorny said that about anxiety that always just

1298
01:11:22,160 --> 01:11:26,000
Speaker 1: sits there. You never totally you know, it's something I

1299
01:11:26,040 --> 01:11:27,760
Speaker 1: suffered a lot of it when I was a young

1300
01:11:27,920 --> 01:11:30,800
Speaker 1: young boy. But along the way, you know, suddenly you're

1301
01:11:30,800 --> 01:11:32,920
Speaker 1: playing first go to rugby league, then you win a

1302
01:11:33,000 --> 01:11:36,080
Speaker 1: comp and origin Blane news and then you'd all this

1303
01:11:36,200 --> 01:11:38,280
Speaker 1: sort of life experience and you get to my age

1304
01:11:38,320 --> 01:11:40,599
Speaker 1: and you go, oh, conquered it. And then last year

1305
01:11:41,120 --> 01:11:44,759
Speaker 1: they go, oh, we're going to send you to Paris

1306
01:11:44,760 --> 01:11:47,640
Speaker 1: to cover the Olympics. Oh yes, sweet, no worries to

1307
01:11:47,720 --> 01:11:49,400
Speaker 1: go over there. What am I covering?

1308
01:11:49,520 --> 01:11:49,640
Speaker 3: Oh?

1309
01:11:49,640 --> 01:11:53,080
Speaker 1: Are you going to cover the swimming? Mate? I didn't

1310
01:11:53,120 --> 01:11:56,000
Speaker 1: sleep first four nights. I just lay there in a

1311
01:11:56,040 --> 01:12:02,720
Speaker 1: bit in sweat's just going. Oh like swimming, and you

1312
01:12:02,760 --> 01:12:05,720
Speaker 1: get trying to get all the names right. And that's

1313
01:12:05,760 --> 01:12:08,880
Speaker 1: what it shows you is that it just always just

1314
01:12:08,920 --> 01:12:11,000
Speaker 1: sits there. Yeah, it just sits in the shadows.

1315
01:12:11,320 --> 01:12:14,360
Speaker 3: I told you about those two times last year I

1316
01:12:14,400 --> 01:12:16,839
Speaker 3: had a speaking I've done a lot of speaking spoken

1317
01:12:16,880 --> 01:12:19,639
Speaker 3: in two fifteen World Cup, I'm on the field turn

1318
01:12:19,680 --> 01:12:22,599
Speaker 3: in ninety thousand at Wembley and now on the mic,

1319
01:12:22,720 --> 01:12:25,800
Speaker 3: and I've done a lot of talking generally Q and

1320
01:12:25,880 --> 01:12:29,599
Speaker 3: a whatever, but sometimes speaking. Last year I had a

1321
01:12:29,640 --> 01:12:32,320
Speaker 3: thing where I was doing the book. Actually I was

1322
01:12:32,439 --> 01:12:36,200
Speaker 3: absolutely loaded. My brain was mounted, I was fatigued, and

1323
01:12:37,200 --> 01:12:41,520
Speaker 3: I couldn't do it. I couldn't do the speaking engagement

1324
01:12:41,680 --> 01:12:45,200
Speaker 3: that booked me in and first time since university and

1325
01:12:45,360 --> 01:12:48,080
Speaker 3: I've done speaking since then, you know whatever. But like

1326
01:12:48,160 --> 01:12:52,280
Speaker 3: you just said, you know, that was humiliation for me

1327
01:12:52,880 --> 01:12:56,120
Speaker 3: and you're sort of worse fear, and it was I

1328
01:12:56,160 --> 01:12:59,760
Speaker 3: was soaked and sweat and you finally and I don't

1329
01:13:00,120 --> 01:13:02,240
Speaker 3: let people down. That's not who I am. And I

1330
01:13:02,320 --> 01:13:06,000
Speaker 3: let them down, you know. And so like you said,

1331
01:13:06,040 --> 01:13:07,760
Speaker 3: you know I learned from that. You know, I've got

1332
01:13:07,800 --> 01:13:11,439
Speaker 3: to uh, you know, you've got to have some balance

1333
01:13:11,800 --> 01:13:13,880
Speaker 3: and I shouldn't have taken that, and you know it

1334
01:13:13,960 --> 01:13:19,240
Speaker 3: has loaded up with too much stuff. But like you said, yeah,

1335
01:13:19,360 --> 01:13:23,400
Speaker 3: you know there's compassion around it and and it's you know,

1336
01:13:24,040 --> 01:13:26,600
Speaker 3: the thing I would say is you never defeated. You

1337
01:13:26,760 --> 01:13:32,439
Speaker 3: never defeated and for me, I'll take to uh, you

1338
01:13:32,479 --> 01:13:37,080
Speaker 3: know how I see around. I'm a Christian and my

1339
01:13:37,080 --> 01:13:41,080
Speaker 3: my faith is a big part of me dealing with

1340
01:13:41,120 --> 01:13:44,360
Speaker 3: that as well. Where I feel my purpose is to

1341
01:13:45,320 --> 01:13:47,479
Speaker 3: you know, I have purpose in doing the different things

1342
01:13:47,520 --> 01:13:50,880
Speaker 3: I do, and you know I have a trust trust

1343
01:13:50,920 --> 01:13:54,360
Speaker 3: in God that you know, I will, like I said,

1344
01:13:54,439 --> 01:13:58,080
Speaker 3: never defeated and I walk forward and and you know,

1345
01:13:58,680 --> 01:14:01,360
Speaker 3: like I said, I think thank Him for the compassion

1346
01:14:01,400 --> 01:14:04,439
Speaker 3: and that around it.

1347
01:14:04,600 --> 01:14:09,120
Speaker 1: So, yeah, Thorny, we're going to finish with mate. I

1348
01:14:09,160 --> 01:14:10,439
Speaker 1: was going to say a bit of fun, but this

1349
01:14:10,680 --> 01:14:13,160
Speaker 1: for you, this could be this could be quite hard work.

1350
01:14:13,680 --> 01:14:15,280
Speaker 1: We're going to talk about the best play you've ever

1351
01:14:15,280 --> 01:14:17,880
Speaker 1: played alongside. Now, you said alf before, so I'm going

1352
01:14:17,960 --> 01:14:20,160
Speaker 1: to remove Elves here, so you're going to have second

1353
01:14:20,200 --> 01:14:21,519
Speaker 1: best player for play alongside.

1354
01:14:21,520 --> 01:14:24,479
Speaker 3: So right, so playing forward it has to before because

1355
01:14:24,479 --> 01:14:25,080
Speaker 3: I set it back.

1356
01:14:25,280 --> 01:14:29,200
Speaker 2: Well, he's basically he's gonna he's going to pick. It's

1357
01:14:29,240 --> 01:14:31,240
Speaker 2: like King of the Ring, right, He's just going to

1358
01:14:31,280 --> 01:14:33,320
Speaker 2: put two up and then you pick between those two

1359
01:14:33,560 --> 01:14:36,040
Speaker 2: until eventually we're at the Grand Final and then does

1360
01:14:36,080 --> 01:14:36,600
Speaker 2: something I.

1361
01:14:36,640 --> 01:14:41,080
Speaker 1: Have explaining that my assistant here, it's good.

1362
01:14:42,800 --> 01:14:47,760
Speaker 3: That's all my wife does for me. Yeah, Brad says

1363
01:14:47,880 --> 01:14:50,200
Speaker 3: he wants this subtitles.

1364
01:14:50,120 --> 01:14:52,000
Speaker 1: My wife does different, do this? Do that?

1365
01:14:52,240 --> 01:14:53,080
Speaker 3: Not? Allowed to do that?

1366
01:14:53,200 --> 01:14:57,000
Speaker 1: Going out with friends? You don't have any friends now.

1367
01:14:57,400 --> 01:15:03,200
Speaker 1: Wendell Saylor and Lottie Takiri, Wendell, Wendell's sailor Or man

1368
01:15:04,200 --> 01:15:12,120
Speaker 1: oh Man man Man, Steve Runoff, po Man, Sunny Bill Williams,

1369
01:15:12,640 --> 01:15:20,360
Speaker 1: man On, who Mills Mollyana, uh my, no, Keavy Waters.

1370
01:15:22,920 --> 01:15:25,880
Speaker 3: I'll go man imagine.

1371
01:15:27,720 --> 01:15:29,559
Speaker 1: Okay man Tan Maga.

1372
01:15:30,160 --> 01:15:34,160
Speaker 3: Oh, that's the Master and the Apprentice. Still go man On.

1373
01:15:35,200 --> 01:15:36,680
Speaker 3: This will be boring. It keeps having one.

1374
01:15:38,600 --> 01:15:39,400
Speaker 1: Carlos Spencer.

1375
01:15:39,840 --> 01:15:46,479
Speaker 3: Oh, I love Carlos. Carlos go man on a two

1376
01:15:46,560 --> 01:15:49,240
Speaker 3: tyn who in this player?

1377
01:15:49,280 --> 01:15:52,160
Speaker 1: Who was just neither cave one of my very favorite

1378
01:15:52,240 --> 01:15:52,920
Speaker 1: Christian Callen.

1379
01:15:53,960 --> 01:16:00,960
Speaker 3: I love Christmas far Out. That's my favorite World Cup

1380
01:16:00,960 --> 01:16:04,880
Speaker 3: team and they didn't win that ninety five era. I

1381
01:16:04,960 --> 01:16:11,040
Speaker 3: gotta still go mine. I just knew how he was

1382
01:16:11,040 --> 01:16:15,240
Speaker 3: so big for us, you know, and his power. I

1383
01:16:15,320 --> 01:16:16,000
Speaker 3: like the power.

1384
01:16:16,160 --> 01:16:19,400
Speaker 1: You know, here we go talking about power and you'd

1385
01:16:19,400 --> 01:16:25,600
Speaker 1: be like, this play doesn't hold a grudge. Not Gordon Talis.

1386
01:16:25,400 --> 01:16:28,439
Speaker 3: This is classic far out there. How you're making that

1387
01:16:28,560 --> 01:16:32,479
Speaker 3: brutal because if my league came first, I'm going Gordy.

1388
01:16:32,600 --> 01:16:36,679
Speaker 1: Okay, Gordon tallis again another bloke who doesn't hold a grudge.

1389
01:16:36,840 --> 01:16:38,120
Speaker 1: Glenn Lazarus.

1390
01:16:39,880 --> 01:16:43,559
Speaker 3: Lazo the best in my opinion, I didn't see much

1391
01:16:43,560 --> 01:16:46,000
Speaker 3: of Arthur. I know he's a legend, but I just

1392
01:16:46,000 --> 01:16:49,360
Speaker 3: think he's because that he's the pain house of the

1393
01:16:49,400 --> 01:16:52,639
Speaker 3: party minute a small man trapped in a big man's body.

1394
01:16:52,960 --> 01:16:55,720
Speaker 3: He was, it was so cool playing net wasn't the

1395
01:16:55,720 --> 01:16:58,519
Speaker 3: friendliest guy we went.

1396
01:16:58,680 --> 01:17:01,280
Speaker 1: We went Orige camp and we got beat when the

1397
01:17:01,320 --> 01:17:04,840
Speaker 1: bat when cowboys couldn't struggling to beat anybody. We're going

1398
01:17:04,880 --> 01:17:09,200
Speaker 1: to camp and he goes so juke boast good people

1399
01:17:09,200 --> 01:17:11,880
Speaker 1: of the cowboys last night yep, and made all he

1400
01:17:11,920 --> 01:17:13,639
Speaker 1: did was turn on his field, and as he did,

1401
01:17:13,640 --> 01:17:21,560
Speaker 1: he just went dogs. Okay, here we go. Clent Lazarus.

1402
01:17:22,080 --> 01:17:24,240
Speaker 1: Who's going to top Jerry Collins?

1403
01:17:24,720 --> 01:17:27,400
Speaker 3: Jerry Collins, I still la I love Jerry. I love

1404
01:17:27,479 --> 01:17:29,080
Speaker 3: you to sit next to him the bus. He loves

1405
01:17:29,120 --> 01:17:31,559
Speaker 3: his leg love the broncos. It's a great guy.

1406
01:17:31,800 --> 01:17:37,240
Speaker 1: Gordon always tells me he loves Gordon. Now, okay again,

1407
01:17:37,360 --> 01:17:39,439
Speaker 1: let's move on. Another blake who doesn't hold a grudge,

1408
01:17:40,000 --> 01:17:49,560
Speaker 1: not stubborn at all. Gleann Lazarus, Shane whipkh.

1409
01:17:47,560 --> 01:17:52,000
Speaker 3: It's like fair freaking family. I'm still gotta go Laser.

1410
01:17:52,040 --> 01:17:53,439
Speaker 1: Sorry, Laso Petra.

1411
01:17:54,960 --> 01:18:00,479
Speaker 3: I love Petro's brother, but I still gotta go Laser Lasso.

1412
01:18:00,600 --> 01:18:08,120
Speaker 3: Richie McCaw a, Oh, just throwing the heavyweights.

1413
01:18:08,320 --> 01:18:11,960
Speaker 1: I am. I'm still going to go Laser Lazzo. Dan

1414
01:18:12,040 --> 01:18:19,599
Speaker 1: Carter not giving you anxiety here.

1415
01:18:20,720 --> 01:18:27,560
Speaker 3: Cheaper h It's going to be controversial. I'm a forward Lazarus.

1416
01:18:27,840 --> 01:18:29,960
Speaker 1: The final one, Glenn Lazarus, Darren Locke, you.

1417
01:18:31,920 --> 01:18:35,080
Speaker 3: I repeat, repeat what I just said, the King of the.

1418
01:18:39,200 --> 01:18:42,559
Speaker 1: That's not exactly what we wanted. That's the exact decision, Thorny,

1419
01:18:42,640 --> 01:18:46,080
Speaker 1: it is. It's fantastic to have you on, mate. It's

1420
01:18:46,080 --> 01:18:47,479
Speaker 1: great to see you and it's been a long long

1421
01:18:47,520 --> 01:18:50,320
Speaker 1: time and to watch you through your career from Afar

1422
01:18:51,080 --> 01:18:53,680
Speaker 1: and mate with me in all of what you've done. Mate,

1423
01:18:53,720 --> 01:18:54,360
Speaker 1: you're a great man.

1424
01:18:54,520 --> 01:18:57,080
Speaker 3: Well, thank you very much. Pumped to be here. Awesome

1425
01:18:57,120 --> 01:18:59,759
Speaker 3: to meet the Suns. You know, the big man behind

1426
01:18:59,760 --> 01:19:02,080
Speaker 3: the can to you there as well. So thanks for

1427
01:19:02,160 --> 01:19:03,760
Speaker 3: having me so cool.

1428
01:19:03,920 --> 01:19:05,920
Speaker 2: We haven't had I don't think we've had a bigger

1429
01:19:05,920 --> 01:19:07,559
Speaker 2: bloke sitting in that chair as well.

1430
01:19:07,600 --> 01:19:12,320
Speaker 3: You are alive, have it awkward? And can we get

1431
01:19:12,360 --> 01:19:13,479
Speaker 3: there next time?

1432
01:19:14,160 --> 01:19:16,200
Speaker 1: I've been sitting there where the any of you are going? Okay,

1433
01:19:16,479 --> 01:19:19,040
Speaker 1: So Thorny's about six foot six, look at all these

1434
01:19:19,040 --> 01:19:22,120
Speaker 1: things he's cheat. I'm looking at myself. Cajez, I really

1435
01:19:22,120 --> 01:19:24,760
Speaker 1: shouldn't have done this. My sons will thing. Fuck it? Hell?

1436
01:19:26,600 --> 01:19:29,160
Speaker 3: Do you know what I appreciate actually is the size of

1437
01:19:29,200 --> 01:19:32,640
Speaker 3: these because I've got a massive head. So hopefully the

1438
01:19:32,720 --> 01:19:35,920
Speaker 3: MIC's big. Hopefully my skull doesn't look so big.

1439
01:19:35,760 --> 01:19:37,840
Speaker 1: For we actually had to get that one flown in.

1440
01:19:39,840 --> 01:19:40,840
Speaker 1: That's the final word.

1441
01:19:41,479 --> 01:19:43,160
Speaker 3: Awesome, thanks, thank you,