1 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:06,559 Speaker 1: From The Australian. Here's what's on the front. I'm christianamiod. 2 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:13,320 Speaker 1: It's Monday, July twenty one, twenty twenty five. Queensland cattle 3 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:16,200 Speaker 1: baron Paul Hatton has spoken for the first time about 4 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:20,160 Speaker 1: the nineteen seventy eight death of his first wife, Julie. 5 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 1: He says the twenty two year old new mum died 6 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 1: by suicide after suffering from postnatal depression, and he claims 7 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 1: the case should never have been reopened almost half a 8 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:36,640 Speaker 1: century after her death. Parliament will resume for the first 9 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 1: time since the election this week and the Prime Minister 10 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:43,919 Speaker 1: is under pressure from the unions to boost productivity. New 11 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:47,480 Speaker 1: data from News Poll suggests Labor is having a second honeymoon, 12 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:50,880 Speaker 1: with core support for the Coalition at its lowest point 13 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 1: in forty years. Those stories alive right now at The 14 00:00:54,360 --> 00:01:01,280 Speaker 1: Australian dot Com dot a U, private investment firm of 15 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 1: Atlasian co founder Mike canon Brooks has paused new ventures 16 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:08,760 Speaker 1: amid a lengthy divorce battle. Today, the fallout from the 17 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:21,319 Speaker 1: breakdown of two of the billionaire's closest relationships. 18 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:25,399 Speaker 2: Mike cannon Brooks and Scott Farquhar set up their it 19 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:30,040 Speaker 2: company at Lassian fresh out of university. They're now turning 20 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 2: over fifteen million dollars a year at the ripe old 21 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:35,760 Speaker 2: age of twenty six and twenty seven. 22 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 3: I don't think anything's been particularly mind blowingly tough, but 23 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 3: we've tried our best and we've done all right so far. 24 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 4: They may be young millionaires, but they're pretty casual about it, 25 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 4: and their take on the business world is about going 26 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 4: back to the basics, giving customers what they want. 27 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 3: These guys built a forty billion dollars tech company seven 28 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 3: thousand miles away from Silicon Valley. I think we feel 29 00:01:57,920 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 3: like we're still only at the start of our careers, 30 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 3: so hopefully we can justify this over the next twenty 31 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 3: five thirty years. 32 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:13,399 Speaker 1: Ad Lasian is one of Australia's greatest tech success stories. 33 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:16,799 Speaker 1: The software company was founded by Mike cannon Brooks and 34 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:20,400 Speaker 1: Scott Farquhar in two thousand and two, and being a 35 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:24,520 Speaker 1: tech company, it's steeped in law. The story goes that 36 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 1: a then twenty two year old Mike cannon Brooks sent 37 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:29,920 Speaker 1: an email to his University of New South Wales computer 38 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:34,080 Speaker 1: science classmates asking if anyone wanted to launch a startup 39 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 1: instead of taking a job at an established company. Farquha 40 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 1: was the only one to reply. In less than a decade, 41 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 1: they went from running their fledgling company on ten thousand 42 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 1: dollars of credit card debt to raising millions of dollars 43 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 1: of venture capital investment. Canon Brooks and Farquah managed at 44 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 1: Lasian as co founders and CEOs for more than twenty years, 45 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:01,520 Speaker 1: something of a rarity in the business world. Between them, 46 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:04,800 Speaker 1: they've won dozens of awards and rocketed up rich lists, 47 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 1: including the Australian's Richest two hundred and fifty, where they're 48 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:11,640 Speaker 1: currently sitting inside the top five with a net worth 49 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 1: of about twenty five billion dollars apiece. And the pair 50 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 1: were so inseparable they were best men at each other's 51 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:21,959 Speaker 1: weddings and famously bought mansions next door to each other 52 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 1: in Sydney's lavish Eastern suburbs. But when Scott Farquha gathered 53 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 1: with his nearest and dearest to celebrate his departure from 54 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 1: the company on Sydney Harbor last year, Mike canon Brooks 55 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 1: was notably absent. Here's John Stenzolt. He's the editor of 56 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 1: the list Australia's Richest two hundred and fifty. 57 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 3: Look, clearly, you know, these two guys, canon Brooks and 58 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 3: Farkhall were great mates once upon a time, they were 59 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 3: business partners. Clearly for a long time, they were neighbors 60 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 3: as well. All these things swelled together, and I think 61 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 3: there's a gradual sort of erosion over time of whether 62 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 3: it's trust or sort of feelings towards each other in 63 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 3: a business sense. At the end of the day, looked 64 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 3: they clearly didn't get along for all we've been told. 65 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 3: And it ends up really with Mike cannon Brooks of 66 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 3: emerging really as the king with Scott Farquay leaving. 67 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 1: When Farquay left at Lassian, he said it was to 68 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 1: make time for more noble pursuits. 69 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:18,359 Speaker 5: The forty four year old says he'll dedicate more of 70 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:23,039 Speaker 5: his time to philanthropy and helping to further the technology industry. 71 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 5: He isn't stepping away entirely, though, he'll remain on the 72 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 5: company's board as a special advisor. 73 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:34,280 Speaker 1: But John and The Australian's chief business correspondent Perry Williams 74 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 1: reported things haven't been good inside at Lasian for a while. 75 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 3: I think anytime you have co founders, it can be difficult. 76 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:44,599 Speaker 3: Right inside the office. There's a lot of tensions swirling 77 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:47,160 Speaker 3: around with people underneath Mike and Scott, and it was 78 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:49,280 Speaker 3: almost a case of which side are you on? Are 79 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:51,719 Speaker 3: you on team Scott? Are you on team Mike? Mike 80 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 3: being the more gregarious character and more sort of outspoken, 81 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 3: probably internally but clearly externally too. Clearly they're both very, very, 82 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:02,719 Speaker 3: very clever, but the relationships or the personalities were not 83 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 3: always going to last. And I think that's what's happened. 84 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:08,800 Speaker 1: The other thing, driving a wedge between Australia's most famous 85 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:11,920 Speaker 1: tech bros, those multimillion dollar mansions. 86 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 3: It's almost like a billionaire's fairy tale in a way. 87 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 3: We're going to live next door to each other. We've 88 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 3: grown this business together. There's a gate between the houses. 89 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:22,160 Speaker 3: The kids will play together. It didn't quite add up 90 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 3: in the end so far. Quha spent about three years 91 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:29,279 Speaker 3: working on this plan to revamp, literally overhaul what was 92 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:31,360 Speaker 3: an aging mansion. They were going to spend thirty seven 93 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 3: million dollars. Now, I think anyone who's ever done a 94 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 3: renovation that number is probably going to blow out, so 95 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 3: but it was still huge. They announced it or they 96 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:40,040 Speaker 3: leak it to the press say they're going to put 97 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 3: into council three weeks later is quietly withdrawn. What we've 98 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:45,240 Speaker 3: been told and what others have been told as well, 99 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:47,479 Speaker 3: it was due to enable ease sort of objections. Now, look, 100 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:49,479 Speaker 3: the only person over the fence was Mike cannon Brooks 101 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 3: and his then wife any canon Brooks, so clearly there 102 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:55,480 Speaker 3: was issues. They've denied this publicly before. They were trying 103 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 3: to play it down to us on background and stuff 104 00:05:57,520 --> 00:05:59,479 Speaker 3: like that, but clearly something happened. 105 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 1: John and Perry sources say there's no love lost between 106 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 1: Scott Farkwhai's wife Kim Jackson and Annie cannon Brooks either. 107 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 3: There's so many people that we have spoken to have 108 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:14,040 Speaker 3: said that there were tensions between the wives. Now, I 109 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:17,159 Speaker 3: don't think that was the primary reason for Farquha going 110 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 3: one way and canon Brooks going the other way in 111 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:22,479 Speaker 3: that Lassian sense, but it mustn't have helped both of 112 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:26,159 Speaker 3: the wives different characters. So Kim Jackson was in a 113 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 3: rock band, became an investment banker. Annie cannon Brooks, fashion designer, 114 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 3: then has now gone on to sort of chase some 115 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 3: of her passions in an investment and philanthropic sense they're 116 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 3: clearly different people, right. Look, there's been attempts to play 117 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:40,039 Speaker 3: this down over time. You know, there's a sense that 118 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 3: perhaps there is respect between each other, particularly from any 119 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 3: towards Kim when it comes to her investment sense. I 120 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 3: don't think that they were our best friends ever. Put 121 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 3: it that way. 122 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 1: Is this a moment of reckoning for it, Lassiean, do 123 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 1: you think John in terms of the way it operates 124 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:55,920 Speaker 1: or will this be business as usual? 125 00:06:56,680 --> 00:06:59,039 Speaker 3: You've got to remember that Scott is still on the 126 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 3: Atlassian board. He's got an advisory role towards Mike. Now, 127 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:05,600 Speaker 3: who knows what sort of advice Mike is taking from 128 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:09,280 Speaker 3: Scott given what was happening in the preceding years. He's 129 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 3: still had a really big shareholding, So there is that 130 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 3: maintaining of the skin in the game and also the 131 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 3: presence in the boardroom. But I think that investors, from 132 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:21,240 Speaker 3: what we've been told, prefer to deal with that. One CEO. 133 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 1: Coming up Mike cannon Brooks's side hustle HiT's the Skids 134 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 1: about a year before Scott farquh depart of the tech 135 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 1: company he founded with his unique classmate. Another of Mike 136 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 1: cannon Brooks's relationships came to an end. 137 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 2: Billionaire and Atlasian co founder Mike cannon Brooks and his 138 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 2: wife Annie Will reported lease oparate. 139 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 3: The pair married in twenty ten inm. 140 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 1: Now, the long delay in settling the high profile divorce 141 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 1: is causing problems for canon Brooks's climate focus to private 142 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 1: investment group Grock Ventures. Here's John Stenzholt Well. 143 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 3: Grock Ventures was his private investment company set up really 144 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:20,400 Speaker 3: with the proceeds that canon Brooks has made from Atlassion, 145 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:22,679 Speaker 3: whether it's been the float or the selldown of shares 146 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 3: over time. They made a pledge a few years ago 147 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 3: to spend one point five billion dollars on various environmental 148 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 3: or green causes. You know, there's been the Ahl Energy 149 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:35,160 Speaker 3: buying of shares where Mike wants to pursue more of 150 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:38,599 Speaker 3: a green sort of ideal for that company. But effectively 151 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:41,319 Speaker 3: Grock has been frozen or it's been stopped from making 152 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:43,840 Speaker 3: any major deals in about the last two years. We've 153 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:46,440 Speaker 3: been told. So really since the split was made public 154 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 3: between Mike and Andy, Grock has got a bit quiet. 155 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:52,319 Speaker 3: There's been executives leave, there's been a lack of new 156 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 3: investments that have happened. So really it's in a bit 157 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 3: of a holding pattern from what we understand. 158 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 1: Which is of course saved the forty billion dollar sun 159 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 1: Cable Energy project from administration. It was to send solar 160 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 1: power from the Northern Territory to Singapore. What does the 161 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 1: future of that venture look like now, there's been. 162 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:15,320 Speaker 3: A lot of controversy swelling around that project for some time. 163 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 3: It has got a lot of approvals right Northern Territory government, 164 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 3: Singapore government. But what's happened in the last few months, 165 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 3: which we've also reported on separately, is that sun Cable 166 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:26,080 Speaker 3: has gone to the market to try and raise about 167 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:29,880 Speaker 3: one hundred million US dollars from various investors or potential 168 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 3: partners for the project, but there's been lukewarm reception at best. 169 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:37,560 Speaker 3: Now we've reported that executives from sun Cable itself and 170 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 3: workers there have been made redundant or have left in 171 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 3: recent months too. So it's got the similar issue to 172 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:45,400 Speaker 3: GROC is that no one quite knows what's happening with it, 173 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 3: where it's going, and how firm its future plans are. 174 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 3: So I think there's a lot of doubts staying to 175 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:52,439 Speaker 3: swirl around it. It needs a lot of money to 176 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:55,559 Speaker 3: keep going the market is what's telling us, and it's 177 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 3: clearly what's telling sun Cable is that the plans are 178 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 3: very very ambitious. Now, forty billion dollar projects, you know, 179 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:03,520 Speaker 3: don't come along every day. It's going to be one 180 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 3: of the biggest ever. But if you think of building 181 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 3: a cable from somewhere in the Northern Territory to Darwin 182 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 3: is very ambitious. But then to build another one under 183 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 3: sea to Singapore is another question. Altogether, there are still 184 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 3: big doubts over that project. 185 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:27,560 Speaker 1: John Stanzelt is the editor of the List Australia's Richest 186 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty. You can read his reporting with 187 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 1: Perrywilliams at The Australian dot com dot au