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Speaker 1: Approache Production.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Secrets of the Underworld. I am Neil the

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Speaker 2: Muscle Commons, and.

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Speaker 3: In this episode I speak to Steve Low, a long

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Speaker 3: time insider with a complex history of the Crosses nightclub scene.

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Speaker 1: It was a part of our lives that we were

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Speaker 1: very fortunate to have. I think I look back at

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Speaker 1: it with such fondness. My colors are different now.

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Speaker 3: I don't like going out normal hard to me, it's

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Speaker 3: what are you talking about?

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Speaker 4: A few of them have wheelchair access.

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Speaker 1: It was always a lot skinny kid that if you

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Speaker 1: become the big dormant, you know, push your finger into

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Speaker 1: any one of your pecks, or if he does it again,

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Speaker 1: anything to get a slapped. Next minute, this kid gets

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Speaker 1: slapped and you just go, oh my god, I missed that.

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Speaker 1: And then in December last year, I was diagnosed with cancer.

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Speaker 1: This conversation might go out after I've gone, in which

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Speaker 1: case it will be even more of a celebration of

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Speaker 1: my life.

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Speaker 3: Mister Steve Low, thank you for coming on. This is

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Speaker 3: the second time you've been on. Made you welcome anything

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Speaker 3: for you, but I wanted you on to refresh this

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Speaker 3: and as I said, you know, we've got a few

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Speaker 3: of the things that we need to talk about.

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Speaker 2: As well in your life at the moment.

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Speaker 3: But I wanted to refresh this interview with you because

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Speaker 3: you know, at the time it was I was new

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Speaker 3: to the podcast scene, and I think this is a

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Speaker 3: right time now to do a refresh of your life

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Speaker 3: and get it out there a bit more, mate.

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Speaker 4: I think that's fantastic.

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Speaker 1: I mean the first time it was We're in a

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Speaker 1: dark studio somewhere in Chippindale with his dodgy address, and

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Speaker 1: I was like, fucking he Christ, I'm sure I own

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Speaker 1: no money. No, no, no, I don't know him any money.

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Speaker 1: And then Sal was there, he was he was sort

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Speaker 1: of seeing the whole sort of thing. Yeah, and we had, mate,

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Speaker 1: we had a great laugh, Yeah we did. We had

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Speaker 1: a really good laugh. But now it's sort of you've

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Speaker 1: grown up, yes, and I think it's really good and

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Speaker 1: what you've been doing with your podcast, mate, we've won

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Speaker 1: awards for it if you're doing a great job with it.

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Speaker 4: And of course, and we'll come back when you ask

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Speaker 4: me to thank you, thank.

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Speaker 2: You, thank you.

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Speaker 3: So let's let's get into you growing up, growing up,

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Speaker 3: growing up, and what led you.

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Speaker 2: To go down the path of the Make Life World.

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Speaker 4: Girls What girls?

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Speaker 2: Girls what mate?

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Speaker 4: Whenever you went, mate.

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Speaker 1: But if you're standing in the front door of a nightclub,

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Speaker 1: you're going to poor girls, mate. You got to poor girls.

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Speaker 4: You pull them at school.

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Speaker 1: I went to a private boys school, so that was

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Speaker 1: a whole different sort of pulling.

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Speaker 4: But I'm not going to go down. I'm not going

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Speaker 4: to talk about that one.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean growing up and sitting in the

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Speaker 1: eighties on the North Shore, there was nowhere to go

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Speaker 1: out at the green Gate Hotel. I discovered nightclubs in

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Speaker 1: the Cross and Oxford Street and I was just going,

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Speaker 1: this is fucking unreal. You know, you were meeting people,

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Speaker 1: You're listening to great music, and I just fell in

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Speaker 1: they to be at them or work at them. So

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Speaker 1: the first gig that I got was on the door

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Speaker 1: of the Caldron Nightclub and that was an infamous club

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Speaker 1: back in.

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Speaker 2: The security were doing.

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Speaker 1: But like I was a dormant, Oh really, yeah, I

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Speaker 1: was a dominant like you. But back in those days

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Speaker 1: we didn't have security. You just had to look cool

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Speaker 1: and in house and be able to speak the right

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Speaker 1: things and back in those days, it was all the

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Speaker 1: gangsters in their sharkskin suits with their you know, with

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Speaker 1: their money and stuff like that. And these guys that

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Speaker 1: come in Friday nights at the Caldron would be like

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Speaker 1: the girlfriend's nights, where all the gangsters and all the

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Speaker 1: colorful racing identities to bring their girlfriends. In Saturday nights

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Speaker 1: they brought their wives in. Nice to see you back again,

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Speaker 1: you know, all that sort of stuff. But I actually

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Speaker 1: absolutely loved it, absolutely loved it. And then I ended

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Speaker 1: while and it was just like for me, it was

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Speaker 1: so I did a lot of that, and then I

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Speaker 4: It just lured me back in, you know, the love

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Speaker 2: Were you a passing boy when you first started that?

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Speaker 4: Not really, No, not really.

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Speaker 1: I didn't discover all that's the fun side of it

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Speaker 1: until much later because it was just sort of like

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Speaker 1: people that drink champagne and smoke cigarettes. So I did

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Speaker 1: a little bit of coke, but you don't even know

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Speaker 1: where to get it from back in these days. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: it was just more. It was just more the music.

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Speaker 1: Getting dressed up, you know, you had to put it on,

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Speaker 1: a nice outfit to go out and being a dominant

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Speaker 1: one of the callers night clubs in town was like,

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Speaker 1: you know, it wasn't your name's not on the guest's

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Speaker 1: not coming in the door.

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Speaker 4: It's like, didn't like the look of you. You weren't

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Speaker 4: coming in, and you'd have a crowd of like.

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Speaker 1: One hundred and fifty people go pick me, pick me,

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Speaker 1: and pick me, and I go, You're all right, you're

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Speaker 1: all right, you're hot, You're hot, you're hot in you go?

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Speaker 4: But why can't I get it?

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Speaker 1: Mate?

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Speaker 4: Look what you're wearing? Pull yourself together? What do you

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Speaker 4: want to do? You want to pick up girls?

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Speaker 2: Here?

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Speaker 1: Look at the girls that I'm letting in here. Do

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Speaker 1: you think you're going to hook up with them dressed

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Speaker 1: like that?

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Speaker 4: What's wrong with it? I just I just bought this.

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Speaker 1: Suit from Killy Country, mate, Try something else, Try a

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Speaker 1: different tag.

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Speaker 2: Is you put it?

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Speaker 4: If I go home and change, we let me in, sure,

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Speaker 4: no problem.

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Speaker 1: Three hours Maybe the same guy walks up in a

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Speaker 1: suit and he goes I got changed and I said, Mante,

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Speaker 1: come in, let me buy you a drink. Let me

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Speaker 1: a drink. And that was back in the days when

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Speaker 1: I first met John, because John was driving for Bill

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Speaker 1: Baout and Bill used to love coming into the cauldroom

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Speaker 1: because it wasn't on the mainstream of the Cross. John

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Speaker 1: Darling has road and John to drop him off and go,

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Speaker 1: so to give me a bit of Anne and go

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Speaker 1: all right, just waving him and John and take it off.

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Speaker 1: But Bill's down at the front door. He was an

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Speaker 1: absolute gentleman. Stand at the front door. We'd have a

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Speaker 1: Dracula directly might walk over your door, your door heart frame,

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Speaker 1: and to invite him in. So Bill and I would

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Speaker 1: just stand there and he'd just kind of like, Bill,

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Speaker 1: would you like to come in for a drink? That'd

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Speaker 1: be lovely. Steve, thank you so much, Walk into the bar,

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Speaker 1: get in a Scotch and he was always great. Steve,

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Speaker 1: come down to the Cosmopolitan for a coffee. And if

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Speaker 1: anybody knows the Cross, they know what the cosin Pultan

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Speaker 1: Cafe was. That's where it all happened. Come and have

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Speaker 1: your picture taken, Come and have you a picture taken.

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Speaker 1: I was like, all right, mate, no problem. But for

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Speaker 1: me it was just great fun. It was just really

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Speaker 1: really good fun. And then after the Calldron I did

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Speaker 1: the head of the door at Reva, which is the

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Speaker 1: Sheridan on the Park hotel. That was cool. We had

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Speaker 1: like Madonna like headsets and we all looked really scary

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Speaker 1: and tough. But then that was when we started to

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Speaker 1: bring in a lot of security because a lot of

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Speaker 1: a lot of the naughty boys thought, well, I'm going

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Speaker 1: to nightclubs. Why I still in the clubhouse at in

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Speaker 1: Penrith when I can go to a cool night club

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Speaker 1: and you know, flash my cash around. So that's when

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Speaker 1: they needed hardcore security. And you would have found it

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Speaker 1: of stuff. And then after doing Rever I sort of

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Speaker 1: took some time off and John asked me if I'd

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Speaker 1: be interested in doing the Door of Lady Lucks, which

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Speaker 1: was a great little club. It was a tiny little

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Speaker 1: dive of a place in Rolls of the Street, one

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Speaker 1: hundred and seventy capacity. There were times I have three

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Speaker 1: hundred people, It was.

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Speaker 2: Never seventy in that class. I don't care what you saying.

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Speaker 1: There were times I over three hundred people in there

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Speaker 1: and the cops were worked by the eye steel All good, yeah, mane,

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Speaker 1: no brother, no roy, just as long as you can

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Speaker 1: kind of move around, you know, like shoulder to shoulder.

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Speaker 1: But we had such good times, really good times. And

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Speaker 1: that was when I kind of started working with Giant

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Speaker 1: because he was like, going, mate, you're really doing a

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Speaker 1: good job. We need clean skins to be lights and seeds.

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Speaker 1: I was like, sure, I'll do that. You know. So

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Speaker 1: what was involved, you know, basic little course, the coppers

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Speaker 1: that check you out going to a good private school.

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Speaker 1: I didn't have any parking tickets, as beating funds, no,

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Speaker 1: no identities, you know, nothing like that. So I became

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Speaker 1: a licensee of a few of jobs. Was that more

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Speaker 1: pressure though, No, there was no pressure at all. It

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Speaker 1: was just an offer and I was like, sure, why not.

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Speaker 1: I mean, as long as you don't do anything naughty,

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Speaker 1: everything's fine. Everybody loves you, and as a licensee, you

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Speaker 1: can't get into trouble because you're holding the nightclub under

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Speaker 1: your control. Because it was now they're just doing it

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Speaker 1: through company names and some sort of bullshit Holding company

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Speaker 1: or whatever. But back then, or an approved manager, which

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Speaker 1: is usually the glassy, but back then, the licensee. You

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Speaker 1: had your name over the door. That was I mean,

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Speaker 1: you were responsible for everything that happened in the place. God,

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Speaker 1: we had some fun.

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Speaker 2: Well that's what I met you. Yeah, you look exactly friends.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly right, because you would come into the christ

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Speaker 1: from time to time, but mostly you're up at DC

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Speaker 1: and might come and see you after work if I

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Speaker 1: had them a night off. I remember.

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Speaker 3: I remember John put me at Lady Looks for about

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Speaker 3: six months. He was having a bit of trouble on

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Speaker 3: the door. Yeah, I remember, because it was.

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Speaker 1: Really cool and all the naughty boys when they come in,

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Speaker 1: so you just stand there and you go, yeah nah

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Speaker 1: na na.

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Speaker 4: I'll be going, what's on with him?

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Speaker 1: Steve? Just don't explain to you you can't come.

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Speaker 4: In all right?

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Speaker 1: Then? Okay, And it all started to click, you know,

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Speaker 1: like when you put a key into a Wholeay okay.

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Speaker 4: And then after later.

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Speaker 1: Because I got roped into being the licensee of good

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Speaker 1: but yes, that's that was a huge mistake. Even the

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Speaker 1: cops came up to me, Steve, what are you doing? Man? Listen?

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Speaker 1: This is not You've got a good reputation around town,

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Speaker 1: and it's probably not a good idea that you'd be

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Speaker 4: And it was a great club.

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Speaker 3: very disrespectuse. It was hard for your daughter, you know.

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Speaker 2: They're not the well I don't like going out normal

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Speaker 4: Are you talking about a few of them have wheelchair access.

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Speaker 1: I just don't like the scene anymore. To me, it's

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Speaker 4: That shit doesn't work.

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Speaker 1: You have to you can't look at them for too

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Speaker 1: oh please, I'd rather stay at home and drink a

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Speaker 3: The client sell that's going on is ugly. There's no

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Speaker 1: And I just think, you know, if you want to

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Speaker 1: Week Melbourne, Queensland. You know, great clubs, you haven't good fun.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 4: I had a great time.

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Speaker 1: It was enough for me. It was enough for me.

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Speaker 1: But what great fun. You know, I don't look back

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Speaker 1: You might be the size of the house, but you're

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Speaker 2: How'd you think that you could get the nate life

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's I don't think can I think

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Speaker 1: I think it's awesome. I don't think night clubs need

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Speaker 1: Nobody's got that sort of money or do they want

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Speaker 3: It's just a shame because, as I said, when I

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Speaker 3: you know, the likes of Soho Porky's, they're bourbon, they're

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Speaker 1: Who owns the buildings anymore? Who knows? Who knows?

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Speaker 1: And now it just looks like he's got you know,

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Speaker 1: There was so many opportunities. You could go from club

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Speaker 1: You got him because you look cool and the guy

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Speaker 1: if he does it again, anything to get a slapped.

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Speaker 4: Next minute, this kid getting slapped, and you just go,

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Speaker 3: I missed that, because you know, if you did that now,

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Speaker 1: I don't think it'll ever go back to that. I

433
00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:09,441
Speaker 1: think the people are more and more going to want

434
00:18:09,521 --> 00:18:12,641
Speaker 1: have parties. I've got everybody's building man caves and I've

435
00:18:12,681 --> 00:18:15,160
Speaker 1: been to some Maytales Is. They're like their own nightclubs.

436
00:18:15,360 --> 00:18:16,720
Speaker 1: You know, they've got the DJ boat and they've bing

437
00:18:16,761 --> 00:18:19,041
Speaker 1: the DJ's and have parties there. Fantastic.

438
00:18:19,441 --> 00:18:21,080
Speaker 2: What'd you say your best venue? You've looked at the.

439
00:18:22,761 --> 00:18:26,521
Speaker 1: Lady Lucks. Lady Lucks from the fun of the Actually, no,

440
00:18:26,801 --> 00:18:29,000
Speaker 1: I'm going to go back. The Calldroom was so much

441
00:18:29,041 --> 00:18:32,280
Speaker 1: fun because it was the eighties and nineties. Everybody had

442
00:18:32,321 --> 00:18:35,160
Speaker 1: a great time. I looked back with such fondness for that.

443
00:18:35,961 --> 00:18:38,440
Speaker 1: I was young, I was cool, you know, all that

444
00:18:38,521 --> 00:18:41,600
Speaker 1: sort of stuff. Then Lady Lux was really great for

445
00:18:41,721 --> 00:18:43,880
Speaker 1: me because it was a whole new new vibe. That

446
00:18:43,921 --> 00:18:44,680
Speaker 1: girl's hotter.

447
00:18:46,360 --> 00:18:47,561
Speaker 3: When I used to turn up there, I used to

448
00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:50,281
Speaker 3: see you and you you're just in your element, absolutely.

449
00:18:49,961 --> 00:18:53,321
Speaker 1: My element, absolutely my element, having the absolutely the best time,

450
00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:56,440
Speaker 1: best time. And you know, I'd also be managing the

451
00:18:56,481 --> 00:18:59,160
Speaker 1: place as well. I remember one night the place is

452
00:18:59,241 --> 00:19:03,041
Speaker 1: absolutely pumping with people, jam packed, and I would do

453
00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:05,840
Speaker 1: skins of the tills. Yeah, so I go till number

454
00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:08,041
Speaker 1: one was pocket number one, till number two is pocket

455
00:19:08,120 --> 00:19:10,920
Speaker 1: number two, till number three was pocket number three, and

456
00:19:11,001 --> 00:19:13,041
Speaker 1: I would just take out you know, fifties, hundreds and

457
00:19:13,041 --> 00:19:14,600
Speaker 1: all that sort of stuff, so that you know the

458
00:19:14,681 --> 00:19:16,240
Speaker 1: kids that were stealing were going to steal too much.

459
00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:18,120
Speaker 1: I'm standing out the front of the club and I

460
00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:21,120
Speaker 1: was chatting a man with one of the local licensing

461
00:19:21,441 --> 00:19:24,120
Speaker 1: policemen and he's like, oh you you come. He come

462
00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:26,200
Speaker 1: the guys and the jack boots with the dogs. They

463
00:19:26,281 --> 00:19:28,401
Speaker 1: walked down the street. Next minute, the dogs sat down

464
00:19:28,441 --> 00:19:32,801
Speaker 1: next to me and my police officer, Steve Police tell me,

465
00:19:33,201 --> 00:19:36,480
Speaker 1: you've got nothing on you, and I've got me never anyway,

466
00:19:36,481 --> 00:19:38,921
Speaker 1: they walked me around the little the little alleyway side

467
00:19:39,001 --> 00:19:44,041
Speaker 1: corner and made me empty my pockets. I had probably

468
00:19:45,201 --> 00:19:48,840
Speaker 1: fifteen thousand dollars in cash from a nightclub.

469
00:19:49,481 --> 00:19:51,561
Speaker 4: That shit's dirty, right.

470
00:19:51,761 --> 00:19:54,801
Speaker 1: Yeah, the thing that the people have done forezing tests

471
00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:59,640
Speaker 1: on notes that have come through bar Hill and at nightclubs.

472
00:19:59,840 --> 00:20:02,880
Speaker 4: And the dog are going all over the money and no, no, no.

473
00:20:03,041 --> 00:20:05,041
Speaker 1: That's still number one, that's your number two, that's number three.

474
00:20:06,120 --> 00:20:08,321
Speaker 1: Don't don't fuck it up. It's going to make my night.

475
00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:10,441
Speaker 1: And they were all the all the cops are pissing

476
00:20:10,481 --> 00:20:12,321
Speaker 1: themselves laughing. So and then they put it into plastic

477
00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:14,840
Speaker 1: bags that no, no, no, no, you're not seizing it.

478
00:20:15,360 --> 00:20:17,761
Speaker 1: You know where it came from. We'll go back inside.

479
00:20:17,801 --> 00:20:19,840
Speaker 1: I put it in the save and we're worried about it.

480
00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:22,680
Speaker 1: On Monday, when I've counted it all all right, Steve,

481
00:20:23,041 --> 00:20:24,561
Speaker 1: and if you've got ink, should we m be had

482
00:20:24,561 --> 00:20:29,241
Speaker 1: interview other pockets? I said, oh god, no, it's probably

483
00:20:29,321 --> 00:20:29,961
Speaker 1: all over me.

484
00:20:30,241 --> 00:20:31,001
Speaker 3: Oh my god.

485
00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:34,680
Speaker 4: But you know, it was sometimes like that that you

486
00:20:34,801 --> 00:20:36,440
Speaker 4: just you look back and you go, how did I

487
00:20:36,521 --> 00:20:37,120
Speaker 4: get away with it?

488
00:20:37,761 --> 00:20:37,920
Speaker 2: You know?

489
00:20:38,001 --> 00:20:41,001
Speaker 1: And John is to say, Steve, your your smiley face

490
00:20:41,041 --> 00:20:43,840
Speaker 1: gets you, gets you out of some sticky spots. And

491
00:20:43,921 --> 00:20:45,281
Speaker 1: a lot of the time they were the guys that

492
00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:47,360
Speaker 1: come in, the naughty boys that come in. They near me,

493
00:20:47,961 --> 00:20:51,801
Speaker 1: they'd show me updods, respect, rolly sleeves down all right,

494
00:20:52,441 --> 00:20:55,161
Speaker 1: coming on public tattoos and stuff. They just wanted nice

495
00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:56,961
Speaker 1: out with their girls. They didn't want to be in

496
00:20:57,001 --> 00:20:59,121
Speaker 1: the cross, so Oxford Street was a better option for them.

497
00:20:59,321 --> 00:21:01,600
Speaker 1: They loved it. You know, I look after them, they'll

498
00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:02,041
Speaker 1: go after me.

499
00:21:02,561 --> 00:21:02,721
Speaker 3: You know.

500
00:21:02,921 --> 00:21:05,481
Speaker 2: Well, I think you have that respect. Yeah, definitely seen

501
00:21:05,481 --> 00:21:06,961
Speaker 2: that respect when I I used to see it. Lady

502
00:21:07,041 --> 00:21:08,001
Speaker 2: looks good.

503
00:21:08,041 --> 00:21:10,801
Speaker 3: Bar was a hard, hard place for you because you

504
00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:12,640
Speaker 3: would still get that respect, but then you'd still get

505
00:21:12,681 --> 00:21:15,080
Speaker 3: that clientele came in and didn't know who you were exactly.

506
00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:15,281
Speaker 3: You know.

507
00:21:15,561 --> 00:21:17,281
Speaker 1: And then I moved over to doing the door I

508
00:21:17,321 --> 00:21:19,080
Speaker 1: for you goes the boys that the boys that he

509
00:21:19,561 --> 00:21:21,920
Speaker 1: across said, come on, Stevie, you sort of send me

510
00:21:22,001 --> 00:21:24,920
Speaker 1: retired out there, want to come and do the to

511
00:21:25,281 --> 00:21:29,721
Speaker 1: you guys, And I'm on top of the stairs, absolutely unreal,

512
00:21:31,321 --> 00:21:33,400
Speaker 1: this would be great. So I had my v P line.

513
00:21:33,921 --> 00:21:36,840
Speaker 1: Everybody else is like this. I had a great time.

514
00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:39,001
Speaker 1: I had a really really good time. And the naughty

515
00:21:39,041 --> 00:21:41,121
Speaker 1: boys that coming there, and you know, we all knew

516
00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:43,360
Speaker 1: the naughty boys were and they'd be in the naughty corner,

517
00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:45,321
Speaker 1: and the hot girls are coming, they go straight to

518
00:21:45,360 --> 00:21:48,321
Speaker 1: the naughty corner. But that Hugos was great because it

519
00:21:48,441 --> 00:21:51,681
Speaker 1: was separated into your dance floor area, your bar area.

520
00:21:51,761 --> 00:21:54,600
Speaker 1: You could smoke on the balcony. My god, like the

521
00:21:54,681 --> 00:21:56,880
Speaker 1: last time I went up there, because some mates of

522
00:21:56,921 --> 00:22:00,561
Speaker 1: ours have reopened it as Pelicano I think. And so

523
00:22:00,721 --> 00:22:02,321
Speaker 1: I let up a cigarette on the balcony. I've been

524
00:22:02,360 --> 00:22:05,801
Speaker 1: smoking on the balcony Hugos for like, yeah, it's twenty years.

525
00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:07,200
Speaker 1: I mean, you know you can't smoke it.

526
00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:11,921
Speaker 4: I'm like, what the and then just answers your question,

527
00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:12,721
Speaker 4: where is it gone?

528
00:22:12,761 --> 00:22:13,281
Speaker 1: What happened?

529
00:22:13,521 --> 00:22:14,440
Speaker 4: Where are the ashtrays?

530
00:22:15,961 --> 00:22:18,241
Speaker 3: Because I remember when you wear it, he goes, and

531
00:22:18,281 --> 00:22:19,840
Speaker 3: I remember that the dormano used to look at me

532
00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:21,521
Speaker 3: because they knew who I was. It was like it

533
00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:25,041
Speaker 3: was only Tony, Yeah, Big Tony would always go like, no, Neil,

534
00:22:25,041 --> 00:22:27,641
Speaker 3: You're always welcome, but you were Dorman didn't know who like, yeah,

535
00:22:27,681 --> 00:22:28,600
Speaker 3: they just know who I was.

536
00:22:29,041 --> 00:22:30,840
Speaker 2: Kid, I mean, and I remember seeing you at the

537
00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:33,080
Speaker 2: top and you just went and you started hooking me.

538
00:22:33,120 --> 00:22:34,481
Speaker 2: It's like this, no, and you go through me.

539
00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:38,880
Speaker 1: It's like but what I used to get is I

540
00:22:38,961 --> 00:22:41,880
Speaker 1: used to get a lot of the naughty boys wives Okay,

541
00:22:41,961 --> 00:22:44,480
Speaker 1: come in and I knew them all, and they'd come

542
00:22:44,561 --> 00:22:47,200
Speaker 1: up to VIP with the twenty thousand dollars handbags and

543
00:22:47,201 --> 00:22:48,440
Speaker 1: all that sort of stuff, and they go from the

544
00:22:48,561 --> 00:22:52,160
Speaker 1: Corey but their husbands. Because I always made sure that

545
00:22:52,360 --> 00:22:54,041
Speaker 1: the girls were looked after and there was no guys

546
00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:55,921
Speaker 1: had come up to them. They always put a security

547
00:22:55,961 --> 00:22:58,360
Speaker 1: go on them just to make sure the girls had

548
00:22:58,360 --> 00:23:00,641
Speaker 1: a nice time. And I got a load of respects

549
00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:05,281
Speaker 1: unbeknownst to me from the husbands of these girls, which

550
00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:08,201
Speaker 1: was really nice. And you know, traveling around the world

551
00:23:08,321 --> 00:23:10,881
Speaker 1: and you know the wise go Stevia and Greece coming

552
00:23:11,001 --> 00:23:12,920
Speaker 1: up with that. My husband and I and I'd be like,

553
00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:16,600
Speaker 1: oh my god, fucking oh it's you know, the chapter

554
00:23:16,681 --> 00:23:17,961
Speaker 1: of this and the chapter of that, in the chapter

555
00:23:18,001 --> 00:23:22,801
Speaker 1: of the chapter of that, you know, Montreal, Quebec, Greece, Adforts.

556
00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:27,080
Speaker 1: He's just going, oh, fuck, but this but it was

557
00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:28,920
Speaker 1: part of my wealth for such a long time and

558
00:23:29,041 --> 00:23:32,000
Speaker 1: I had I don't look back on it with any regrets.

559
00:23:32,001 --> 00:23:32,641
Speaker 1: I had a great time.

560
00:23:33,360 --> 00:23:35,080
Speaker 2: So that So that was your favorite club? So what

561
00:23:35,281 --> 00:23:37,161
Speaker 2: what did you do after you thought the mate life

562
00:23:37,241 --> 00:23:37,640
Speaker 2: was over for you?

563
00:23:38,241 --> 00:23:41,281
Speaker 1: I got at the hospitality from a cafe perspective. My

564
00:23:41,360 --> 00:23:45,321
Speaker 1: wife and I bought a cafe in Paddington and it

565
00:23:45,481 --> 00:23:47,920
Speaker 1: had a great time doing it. It wasn't easy, and

566
00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:51,961
Speaker 1: then COVID hit, didn't it. COVID shutdown fucking everything. And

567
00:23:53,241 --> 00:23:56,521
Speaker 1: I then went into catering, like cooking and all that

568
00:23:56,561 --> 00:23:58,281
Speaker 1: sort of stuff, and I actually became quite good at it.

569
00:23:58,360 --> 00:24:03,360
Speaker 4: Cooking what food, okay, not that, no no no no no,

570
00:24:03,521 --> 00:24:04,761
Speaker 4: not that, not that kind of cooking.

571
00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:06,640
Speaker 1: How that kind of cooking, although it probably would have

572
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:10,521
Speaker 1: been alright, But yeah, So I got into catering, and

573
00:24:11,360 --> 00:24:13,360
Speaker 1: you know, I got quite good at it, and people

574
00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:16,600
Speaker 1: My Instagram profile started to go quite well, and people

575
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:18,321
Speaker 1: started to book me for dinner parties and this and

576
00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:20,080
Speaker 1: this and this. Then I ended up on working on

577
00:24:20,120 --> 00:24:22,600
Speaker 1: the Souperots, and then I did a lot of travel

578
00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:24,680
Speaker 1: working on Superiots. I was always in super Yots on

579
00:24:24,721 --> 00:24:27,520
Speaker 1: the Harbor catering during the summer seasons. And I got

580
00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:32,160
Speaker 1: up north and do do catering, and then I was

581
00:24:32,201 --> 00:24:34,161
Speaker 1: having a great time doing that, love love love love

582
00:24:34,241 --> 00:24:36,521
Speaker 1: doing it. And then in December last year, I was

583
00:24:36,561 --> 00:24:39,440
Speaker 1: diagnosed with cancer, which kind of put a bit of a.

584
00:24:39,681 --> 00:24:42,200
Speaker 4: A holt on everything, a hold on everything.

585
00:24:42,761 --> 00:24:45,480
Speaker 1: And since then it's been a bit of a bit

586
00:24:45,521 --> 00:24:48,160
Speaker 1: of a fucking process, my friend, a bit of a process.

587
00:24:49,041 --> 00:24:50,920
Speaker 3: So, so tell me that that's that's the thing that

588
00:24:51,001 --> 00:24:52,801
Speaker 3: we That's why I wanted you to come on Bigure

589
00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:54,960
Speaker 3: more more to the fact that able to celebrate your

590
00:24:55,001 --> 00:24:55,481
Speaker 3: life too.

591
00:24:55,681 --> 00:24:57,360
Speaker 1: In a way which I appreciate you, I really do.

592
00:24:57,681 --> 00:25:00,321
Speaker 1: So tell me about the cancer issue. Well, I've got

593
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:03,880
Speaker 1: I've got stage four a sophagal cancer. I mean, if

594
00:25:03,921 --> 00:25:05,481
Speaker 1: you don't know who you're a sophag there's in it.

595
00:25:05,721 --> 00:25:07,801
Speaker 1: It goes right down the center of your chest and

596
00:25:08,041 --> 00:25:11,401
Speaker 1: everything you eat and drink goes down the esophagus. I've

597
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:14,801
Speaker 1: been having pain in my chest and terrible reflux for

598
00:25:15,801 --> 00:25:18,361
Speaker 1: eight nine ten months. I kept on going to the GPS,

599
00:25:18,561 --> 00:25:20,400
Speaker 1: but I mentioned pain to a GP. They thought, oh,

600
00:25:20,441 --> 00:25:22,961
Speaker 1: he's fishing for meds. Fishing for meds, so they just

601
00:25:23,001 --> 00:25:25,120
Speaker 1: tell me to take you know, what pain would it

602
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:25,440
Speaker 1: be like?

603
00:25:25,761 --> 00:25:28,241
Speaker 2: It would it be like a heartburn kind of pain,

604
00:25:28,321 --> 00:25:29,120
Speaker 2: or it was like a heart.

605
00:25:29,001 --> 00:25:32,360
Speaker 1: Burned kind of pain, but constant for constant. And so

606
00:25:32,441 --> 00:25:34,120
Speaker 1: I go to the local GP and they go, oh,

607
00:25:34,201 --> 00:25:35,920
Speaker 1: the minute you mentioned pain, they think you're fishing for

608
00:25:36,001 --> 00:25:38,321
Speaker 1: pain meds and they just go take next to him,

609
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:40,440
Speaker 1: and you know, come back in three months and newrop

610
00:25:40,481 --> 00:25:43,641
Speaker 1: and you'll be right. Three months, still pain, same thing,

611
00:25:43,681 --> 00:25:46,321
Speaker 1: another three months, still pain. So I was undiagnosed for

612
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:50,801
Speaker 1: about i'd say twelve months, which made it worse for me.

613
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:53,521
Speaker 1: And finally a girlfriend of mine said, Steve, there's a

614
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:56,281
Speaker 1: gut specialist around the corner in Alexandria. Go make an

615
00:25:56,281 --> 00:25:57,801
Speaker 1: appointment with him. So I went and made an appointment

616
00:25:58,721 --> 00:26:01,360
Speaker 1: to just sorry, you're in for an endoscopic colonoscopy. Now

617
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:02,801
Speaker 1: that's where they go up the bum and down the

618
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:06,160
Speaker 1: throat with a camera. I think every man over fifty,

619
00:26:06,360 --> 00:26:08,640
Speaker 1: if not fifty five, should have it. It's like when

620
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:11,360
Speaker 1: they seen to the Pooh test, Do the fucking pood

621
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 1: test seriously. So the minute I came out from the anesthetic,

622
00:26:16,041 --> 00:26:17,521
Speaker 1: there were two surgeons in in there going or we

623
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,400
Speaker 1: found something. I was like, fuck, I've got bowel cancer. No,

624
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:22,160
Speaker 1: you guys, it's on the esophagus. And I was like,

625
00:26:22,201 --> 00:26:24,160
Speaker 1: where the folks are so you had to point to

626
00:26:24,241 --> 00:26:26,921
Speaker 1: it anyway. That's when it went sort of steam rolled

627
00:26:26,961 --> 00:26:29,561
Speaker 1: into like red lights, red lights, all that sort of shit.

628
00:26:30,201 --> 00:26:33,880
Speaker 1: So I was booked in for an appointment with one

629
00:26:33,921 --> 00:26:35,961
Speaker 1: of the surgeons. He was going to rebuild my esophagus

630
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,440
Speaker 1: and I'd be cancer free and everything be fine.

631
00:26:38,921 --> 00:26:40,681
Speaker 4: But then I had a thing called a pet scan,

632
00:26:40,761 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 4: which is.

633
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:43,441
Speaker 1: They fuel your fall of radioactive material and you glow

634
00:26:43,481 --> 00:26:45,281
Speaker 1: in the dark type of thing, and then they put

635
00:26:45,321 --> 00:26:47,920
Speaker 1: it through one of those big spinning Mr machines. The

636
00:26:48,001 --> 00:26:50,801
Speaker 1: only thing that picks up is cancer cells. It was

637
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:53,481
Speaker 1: fucking all over me. So it was all over my esophagus,

638
00:26:53,521 --> 00:26:55,201
Speaker 1: it was all over my lymphanodes, it was all over

639
00:26:55,281 --> 00:26:59,120
Speaker 1: my liver. So then the opportunity of having surgery was

640
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:01,080
Speaker 1: out the door, off the table, so they put me

641
00:27:01,120 --> 00:27:04,920
Speaker 1: over to the radiation department. I did three weeks of

642
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:10,281
Speaker 1: daily dosages of radiation. Nearly killed me. Nearly killed me.

643
00:27:10,761 --> 00:27:12,480
Speaker 1: Now I've got people that I don't like. I wouldn't

644
00:27:12,481 --> 00:27:14,920
Speaker 1: wish it on them. I really wouldn't wish it on them.

645
00:27:14,961 --> 00:27:17,360
Speaker 1: The pain that I went through at the end of it,

646
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:19,641
Speaker 1: the pain was so hard. I was on fentanyl, that's

647
00:27:19,681 --> 00:27:22,561
Speaker 1: what they gave me, and that shit's brutal. No wonder

648
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 1: that no wonder, that's the talk of the world. You know.

649
00:27:26,120 --> 00:27:28,640
Speaker 1: It's probably one of the meanest, nastiest pain killing drugs

650
00:27:28,681 --> 00:27:30,400
Speaker 1: that you can have. But it kind of fixed the

651
00:27:30,441 --> 00:27:32,961
Speaker 1: pain that I was in, and then I kind of

652
00:27:33,281 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 1: sort of thought about it. The radiation treatment shrunk the

653
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 1: tumor on my esophagus a little bit, which makes it

654
00:27:40,921 --> 00:27:43,200
Speaker 1: easier for me to drink and eat. As you can tell,

655
00:27:43,281 --> 00:27:45,160
Speaker 1: my voice is an octave lower than it used to be,

656
00:27:45,961 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 1: which apparently kind of sounds kind of sexy, which is.

657
00:27:50,001 --> 00:27:52,561
Speaker 4: But then I kind of thought, do I want to

658
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 4: go down the.

659
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:55,761
Speaker 1: Path of chemotherapy and all that sort of stuff, because

660
00:27:56,160 --> 00:28:00,481
Speaker 1: a soophagal cancer. It's a nasty one. It doesn't really

661
00:28:00,561 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 1: give you much time if you google it. Without any treatment,

662
00:28:04,001 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 1: maximum time frame is twelve months. That's all you're going

663
00:28:06,801 --> 00:28:11,400
Speaker 1: to get with treatment, fifteen sixteen months. So I've managed

664
00:28:11,441 --> 00:28:13,561
Speaker 1: to I actually should be dead by now, according to

665
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 1: what my doctors have said, but because of the treatment,

666
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:20,200
Speaker 1: because of my mental attitude towards it, I'm holding on there.

667
00:28:20,241 --> 00:28:22,321
Speaker 1: I still have things that I need to do. So

668
00:28:22,481 --> 00:28:26,801
Speaker 1: I decided to throw a party. I decided to throw

669
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:32,361
Speaker 1: a party. It was the last day my sister came

670
00:28:32,441 --> 00:28:34,161
Speaker 1: up with said she didn't come up with the idea.

671
00:28:34,241 --> 00:28:36,161
Speaker 1: She suggested it to me because she'd heard somebody doing

672
00:28:36,201 --> 00:28:38,521
Speaker 1: a live wake and I said, oh, that sounds a

673
00:28:38,561 --> 00:28:40,921
Speaker 1: bit fucking morbid, and she goes, no, yeah, I haven't

674
00:28:40,921 --> 00:28:43,241
Speaker 1: think about it. You know, just think about it really good.

675
00:28:43,521 --> 00:28:46,121
Speaker 1: You know, all your friends get to see you. Okay,

676
00:28:46,521 --> 00:28:48,121
Speaker 1: you're half the size it used to be because the

677
00:28:48,161 --> 00:28:51,481
Speaker 1: gradiation therapy took off half of my body weight. I

678
00:28:51,521 --> 00:28:53,481
Speaker 1: went from a thirty four and a half in jeans

679
00:28:53,521 --> 00:28:57,001
Speaker 1: to a twenty eight. Geen right, I'm skinny as fuck,

680
00:28:57,721 --> 00:29:00,081
Speaker 1: but I still look okay. I've still got my hair,

681
00:29:00,601 --> 00:29:02,841
Speaker 1: you know. So she said, ever think about it, and

682
00:29:03,001 --> 00:29:04,601
Speaker 1: I was like, all right. So I thought about it,

683
00:29:04,601 --> 00:29:06,361
Speaker 1: and I speak to few move mates about and they're like,

684
00:29:06,761 --> 00:29:12,001
Speaker 1: what a fucking cracker right here. So I decided that

685
00:29:12,601 --> 00:29:16,721
Speaker 1: I put an invitation together called the Last Dance and

686
00:29:17,041 --> 00:29:19,281
Speaker 1: see what the reaction of people was going to be.

687
00:29:19,961 --> 00:29:22,001
Speaker 1: I got one hundred and sixty people on a floating

688
00:29:22,001 --> 00:29:24,881
Speaker 1: boat in the harbor on a Wednesday night, which was

689
00:29:24,961 --> 00:29:26,121
Speaker 1: absolutely fantastic.

690
00:29:26,561 --> 00:29:28,641
Speaker 4: And they were all there because of me.

691
00:29:29,321 --> 00:29:31,361
Speaker 1: My sister said to me, Jesus Christ, if all your

692
00:29:31,401 --> 00:29:32,921
Speaker 1: ex girlfriends go to one side the boat, it's going

693
00:29:32,961 --> 00:29:36,961
Speaker 1: to slip over. It's going to flip over. But it

694
00:29:37,121 --> 00:29:39,001
Speaker 1: was a really, really good thing. It was a lot

695
00:29:39,041 --> 00:29:40,641
Speaker 1: of emotion, a lot of you know, a lot of crying,

696
00:29:40,801 --> 00:29:42,321
Speaker 1: litteers and all that sort of stuff. But at the

697
00:29:42,361 --> 00:29:45,641
Speaker 1: same time, it was celebration of the life that I've

698
00:29:45,761 --> 00:29:51,081
Speaker 1: that I've had, and I don't want my friends, especially you,

699
00:29:51,321 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 1: come and visit me when I'm a payload car ands

700
00:29:53,321 --> 00:29:55,641
Speaker 1: And Vince's looking like that poor guy Brian on the

701
00:29:55,641 --> 00:29:59,761
Speaker 1: cigarette packet. You know that's not Steve. He doesn't look

702
00:29:59,841 --> 00:30:01,921
Speaker 1: like that with a fucking feeding tube. Down my nose

703
00:30:02,041 --> 00:30:06,041
Speaker 1: and like looking like a fucking you know, skeleton. You

704
00:30:06,081 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 1: don't want to see me like that. You want to

705
00:30:07,441 --> 00:30:10,041
Speaker 1: remember me like this, And that's what I wanted all

706
00:30:10,081 --> 00:30:13,521
Speaker 1: my friends to remember me. Steve, the fun one, the

707
00:30:13,601 --> 00:30:17,681
Speaker 1: happy one, you know, always always upbeat. And that's why

708
00:30:17,721 --> 00:30:20,121
Speaker 1: it was such a success. Daily Mail picked it up

709
00:30:20,161 --> 00:30:23,321
Speaker 1: for god fucking hell. I don't know how I got

710
00:30:23,361 --> 00:30:27,601
Speaker 1: out there, but it was. It was actually really well written,

711
00:30:27,921 --> 00:30:30,561
Speaker 1: really really well written. And because Darli Muck can be

712
00:30:30,601 --> 00:30:33,641
Speaker 1: a little bit nasty sometimes as we know, but the

713
00:30:33,841 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 1: young guy who was writing and since Steve, I think

714
00:30:35,521 --> 00:30:39,041
Speaker 1: this is a wonderful idea. It might change people's people's

715
00:30:39,041 --> 00:30:43,521
Speaker 1: attitude to death and to terminal diseases. You know, I

716
00:30:43,601 --> 00:30:45,881
Speaker 1: watched my mother go through terrible cancer, and I was

717
00:30:45,921 --> 00:30:48,561
Speaker 1: a primary care right up until she died. I don't

718
00:30:48,561 --> 00:30:50,121
Speaker 1: want I don't want to put my friends and family

719
00:30:50,161 --> 00:30:53,041
Speaker 1: through that. It was fucking brutal. It was really fucking brutal.

720
00:30:53,281 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 1: So that's that's one of the reasons why I'm not

721
00:30:55,281 --> 00:30:57,081
Speaker 1: doing any further treatment. I'm just going to let it

722
00:30:57,161 --> 00:30:57,961
Speaker 1: go the path.

723
00:30:59,041 --> 00:31:02,841
Speaker 3: So we've spoken off off here and you said you're

724
00:31:02,881 --> 00:31:05,841
Speaker 3: doing this volunteered assisted process.

725
00:31:06,081 --> 00:31:09,961
Speaker 1: Yes, like, it's a tough subject to bring when you

726
00:31:10,041 --> 00:31:12,801
Speaker 1: told me about it, come on, man, like you yeah,

727
00:31:12,881 --> 00:31:15,561
Speaker 1: so tell me about that, okay. Volunteers is a death

728
00:31:15,841 --> 00:31:18,801
Speaker 1: It was legislated in New South Wales probably about two

729
00:31:18,921 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 1: years ago and it was pushed through parliament with a

730
00:31:23,521 --> 00:31:27,561
Speaker 1: great deal of help from Andrew Denton, who's a comedian

731
00:31:27,641 --> 00:31:32,361
Speaker 1: write podcast and he had a similar issue with his

732
00:31:32,521 --> 00:31:35,401
Speaker 1: mother passing away and the pain of the death and

733
00:31:35,561 --> 00:31:39,641
Speaker 1: the how long they drag it out with morphine and

734
00:31:39,841 --> 00:31:43,041
Speaker 1: just another day, another day, another day, and it's quite

735
00:31:43,121 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 1: fucking brutal. This gives you the option to do it

736
00:31:46,281 --> 00:31:50,121
Speaker 1: when you're ready and be able to do it with dignity,

737
00:31:51,001 --> 00:31:54,841
Speaker 1: rather than lying in a bed shitting your pants, mumbling,

738
00:31:55,001 --> 00:31:56,441
Speaker 1: not even knowing who the fuck you are or where

739
00:31:56,441 --> 00:31:58,281
Speaker 1: the fuck you are, and your friends and family coming

740
00:31:59,201 --> 00:32:01,281
Speaker 1: and seeing you in this way. So it gives you

741
00:32:01,401 --> 00:32:03,481
Speaker 1: the option of being able to do it. It is

742
00:32:03,561 --> 00:32:05,361
Speaker 1: a big process to go through. You got to go

743
00:32:05,401 --> 00:32:08,161
Speaker 1: through quite a big screening process. You have to be

744
00:32:09,001 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 1: approved by a physician that you have a maximum of

745
00:32:13,481 --> 00:32:17,041
Speaker 1: six months to live, which I was given that, so

746
00:32:17,321 --> 00:32:18,921
Speaker 1: I was approved for the program.

747
00:32:19,961 --> 00:32:20,761
Speaker 4: A month or so ago.

748
00:32:21,601 --> 00:32:23,681
Speaker 1: So all I need to do is some on THEE

749
00:32:23,721 --> 00:32:26,121
Speaker 1: twenty four hours beforehand, and they put me into a hospital.

750
00:32:26,641 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 1: I get a minister of the drug and then I go.

751
00:32:28,881 --> 00:32:31,961
Speaker 1: But I'm not ready to go yet. It gives me

752
00:32:32,081 --> 00:32:34,281
Speaker 1: the option of being able to do it. As soon

753
00:32:34,321 --> 00:32:37,601
Speaker 1: as I can't swallow, that's when I'm in trouble. That's

754
00:32:37,641 --> 00:32:39,841
Speaker 1: when they have to do it intravenously. I don't want

755
00:32:39,881 --> 00:32:44,241
Speaker 1: to be eating through a feeding tube. And I think

756
00:32:44,321 --> 00:32:47,201
Speaker 1: when you start to look at the go gently it's

757
00:32:47,241 --> 00:32:51,841
Speaker 1: called Go Gently foundation. You actually tend to appreciate how

758
00:32:52,001 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 1: people think. Back in the day, you know, you say

759
00:32:55,041 --> 00:32:56,321
Speaker 1: to your mates, made if everyone I was in a

760
00:32:56,401 --> 00:32:59,001
Speaker 1: motorbike accident and I end up with a wheelchair, just

761
00:32:59,041 --> 00:33:00,401
Speaker 1: walk me off the end of a pew, or you know,

762
00:33:00,521 --> 00:33:02,001
Speaker 1: give me a hit of heroin and I'll be done

763
00:33:02,041 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 1: with it, you know, be able to.

764
00:33:03,241 --> 00:33:06,401
Speaker 4: Take your own life. Fought that way, And we did

765
00:33:06,481 --> 00:33:07,321
Speaker 4: think of things like that.

766
00:33:07,601 --> 00:33:09,881
Speaker 1: You know, if you were ever struck out, you know,

767
00:33:10,121 --> 00:33:11,841
Speaker 1: in a car accident or something, you're in a wheelchair,

768
00:33:11,841 --> 00:33:13,761
Speaker 1: what would you want to be doing? It's about in

769
00:33:13,881 --> 00:33:16,761
Speaker 1: mental state. There are times that you want to you'd

770
00:33:16,801 --> 00:33:20,681
Speaker 1: want to neck yourself. But with a terminal disease, it's

771
00:33:20,721 --> 00:33:23,761
Speaker 1: a different story. You know you're going to die and

772
00:33:23,881 --> 00:33:26,361
Speaker 1: how you're going to die. It's now in your own

773
00:33:26,441 --> 00:33:28,521
Speaker 1: hands how you're going to die. So that's what I

774
00:33:28,681 --> 00:33:31,601
Speaker 1: have and that's not doesn't it doesn't sit well with

775
00:33:31,681 --> 00:33:35,121
Speaker 1: some of my friends. It's something that it's that I've

776
00:33:35,161 --> 00:33:37,921
Speaker 1: had a lot of difficult discussions with. There are people

777
00:33:37,961 --> 00:33:40,641
Speaker 1: I haven't told, so I don't know when the podcast

778
00:33:40,721 --> 00:33:42,001
Speaker 1: is going to go out, but there people might be

779
00:33:42,081 --> 00:33:43,081
Speaker 1: bringing me to go what the fuck?

780
00:33:44,841 --> 00:33:45,721
Speaker 2: What the fuck?

781
00:33:47,121 --> 00:33:50,401
Speaker 1: And also too you Neil, this podcast, this conversation might

782
00:33:50,481 --> 00:33:52,801
Speaker 1: go out after I've gone, in which case it will

783
00:33:52,801 --> 00:33:54,361
Speaker 1: be even more of a celebration of my life.

784
00:33:55,121 --> 00:33:56,601
Speaker 4: But I think it's great for.

785
00:33:58,321 --> 00:34:00,801
Speaker 1: I know, I know, mate, And as you know, before

786
00:34:00,841 --> 00:34:02,801
Speaker 1: we went live on the conversation, I said, listen, I've

787
00:34:02,801 --> 00:34:04,521
Speaker 1: got to rip the band aid off. And that's what

788
00:34:04,601 --> 00:34:06,561
Speaker 1: I do with my friends. I've got to rip the

789
00:34:06,601 --> 00:34:09,761
Speaker 1: banot off because it makes it easier for me, but

790
00:34:09,881 --> 00:34:11,881
Speaker 1: also makes it a little bit easier for them to

791
00:34:12,001 --> 00:34:16,441
Speaker 1: cope with the process that I'm going through, and it

792
00:34:16,601 --> 00:34:22,121
Speaker 1: allows them time to sort of adjust to it. The

793
00:34:22,241 --> 00:34:25,721
Speaker 1: go generally foundation have been I think are amazing and

794
00:34:25,841 --> 00:34:28,561
Speaker 1: I think they do a great thing for the community.

795
00:34:28,961 --> 00:34:32,161
Speaker 1: It's not listed to suicide in the legislation, so that

796
00:34:32,281 --> 00:34:36,801
Speaker 1: means you if you next yourself or your insurance becomes

797
00:34:36,881 --> 00:34:41,641
Speaker 1: void or everything, whereas with this it's not. It's a

798
00:34:41,721 --> 00:34:45,201
Speaker 1: sister death, so you basically approve to yourself for a

799
00:34:45,281 --> 00:34:47,841
Speaker 1: sister death. So it's not suicide. So your family get

800
00:34:47,921 --> 00:34:51,161
Speaker 1: your super and their family get your life insurance and

801
00:34:51,201 --> 00:34:53,521
Speaker 1: all that sort of stuff. So all the legislation is

802
00:34:53,521 --> 00:34:57,041
Speaker 1: actually very very well written out. You can't get it

803
00:34:57,121 --> 00:35:00,801
Speaker 1: unless you're six months max. They won't even bother talking

804
00:35:00,881 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 1: to you. Even if you're twelve months. They weren't talking

805
00:35:03,481 --> 00:35:06,201
Speaker 1: to you until your six months. So for me, it

806
00:35:06,361 --> 00:35:09,241
Speaker 1: was a it was a better way of doing things,

807
00:35:09,361 --> 00:35:11,961
Speaker 1: going out the way I wanted to go, cigarette my

808
00:35:12,041 --> 00:35:16,001
Speaker 1: hand fucking glass scotch with my friends and family around me.

809
00:35:16,561 --> 00:35:21,241
Speaker 1: And it's a quick process. You know, it's not for everybody,

810
00:35:21,681 --> 00:35:23,681
Speaker 1: and there will be people that will going that's fart,

811
00:35:23,801 --> 00:35:26,081
Speaker 1: that's but there are other people that go No. I

812
00:35:26,121 --> 00:35:28,401
Speaker 1: wish I wish it was around when my father was

813
00:35:28,441 --> 00:35:29,921
Speaker 1: going through it, or I wish it was around with

814
00:35:30,041 --> 00:35:33,641
Speaker 1: my sister was going through it. Eternal disease is a really,

815
00:35:33,721 --> 00:35:37,161
Speaker 1: really hard one to sort of grasp for anybody, for anybody,

816
00:35:37,641 --> 00:35:39,361
Speaker 1: I never thought that this was going to happen to me.

817
00:35:39,401 --> 00:35:41,241
Speaker 1: I thought I'd be still kicking around trying to get

818
00:35:41,281 --> 00:35:44,441
Speaker 1: into nightclubs, you know, at seventy seventy five, you know,

819
00:35:44,561 --> 00:35:47,641
Speaker 1: standing up there swinging, you know, swinging mattire around. You know.

820
00:35:48,561 --> 00:35:50,841
Speaker 4: But life deals the path of the deals.

821
00:35:50,881 --> 00:35:53,321
Speaker 3: I think that's what I mean. When when you told me,

822
00:35:53,481 --> 00:35:57,681
Speaker 3: it was like to me, it's like, yeah, you told

823
00:35:57,721 --> 00:36:00,001
Speaker 3: me you got cancer. But it's like and everyone, probably

824
00:36:00,001 --> 00:36:01,440
Speaker 3: all your friends and family think the same.

825
00:36:01,721 --> 00:36:03,841
Speaker 2: You'll beat it. You'll beat it, You'll be able to You.

826
00:36:03,961 --> 00:36:07,561
Speaker 1: Got this, Steve. Steve didn't got this. And that was

827
00:36:07,601 --> 00:36:10,401
Speaker 1: the thing, you know, all my social media, it was like, Steve,

828
00:36:10,521 --> 00:36:12,641
Speaker 1: you got this, you got this. So I actually stopped

829
00:36:13,441 --> 00:36:17,321
Speaker 1: putting posts up on my social media about my cancer update,

830
00:36:17,601 --> 00:36:20,201
Speaker 1: my treatment update, because I was sick to death of

831
00:36:20,321 --> 00:36:23,801
Speaker 1: hearing this you got this and then sending me all

832
00:36:23,881 --> 00:36:28,601
Speaker 1: this information about methyl blue and fucking cures of this.

833
00:36:28,881 --> 00:36:31,201
Speaker 1: And there's guys in fucking Byron Bay that live in

834
00:36:31,201 --> 00:36:32,921
Speaker 1: a shed that are curing people have cancer, but they're

835
00:36:32,961 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 1: not charging anybody. And it's like, for fuck's sake, I've

836
00:36:36,561 --> 00:36:41,321
Speaker 1: got great, great, smart people treating me the best way

837
00:36:41,361 --> 00:36:44,081
Speaker 1: they possibly can. It's not working. They've given me a

838
00:36:44,121 --> 00:36:46,321
Speaker 1: little bit of extra time, and I'm glad that they've

839
00:36:46,321 --> 00:36:48,041
Speaker 1: given me the extra time because it allowed me to

840
00:36:48,121 --> 00:36:50,841
Speaker 1: do things with my friends and my family that I

841
00:36:50,921 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 1: would not normally have had the opportunity to do, which

842
00:36:53,441 --> 00:36:57,161
Speaker 1: has been really really great. And when I go, when

843
00:36:57,161 --> 00:36:59,201
Speaker 1: I'm ready to go, oh no, I no, I'm ready,

844
00:36:59,801 --> 00:37:02,761
Speaker 1: And you know, like seeing you today, it's great. I

845
00:37:02,881 --> 00:37:04,081
Speaker 1: get to spend a little bit of time with you,

846
00:37:04,201 --> 00:37:06,081
Speaker 1: have a bit of a chat, and then I say

847
00:37:06,121 --> 00:37:08,441
Speaker 1: say goodbye to yah. Yes, let's have hopefully we'll have

848
00:37:08,481 --> 00:37:10,761
Speaker 1: a stake together if I could meet one, you know.

849
00:37:11,961 --> 00:37:14,361
Speaker 1: But that's that's pretty much in a nutshell.

850
00:37:14,921 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 2: Is there any regrets that you've got in motion?

851
00:37:16,761 --> 00:37:19,401
Speaker 1: Everybody asked me that not one, not one regret, not one.

852
00:37:20,161 --> 00:37:23,441
Speaker 1: My mate, say Steve bucket list, bucket lisz mate, done everything.

853
00:37:23,801 --> 00:37:29,121
Speaker 1: I've had the best fucking life. I've got some wonderful friends,

854
00:37:29,681 --> 00:37:33,241
Speaker 1: I've done some incredible things. I've traveled the world, you know,

855
00:37:33,441 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 1: done all that sort of stuff. No regrets. I would

856
00:37:36,041 --> 00:37:38,681
Speaker 1: have liked to have had a child, got three ex wives.

857
00:37:40,441 --> 00:37:42,481
Speaker 1: I was always probably a bit of a child myself,

858
00:37:43,001 --> 00:37:46,521
Speaker 1: which is why I never had that opportunity. But my

859
00:37:46,641 --> 00:37:49,401
Speaker 1: best mates, I've been there with their kids, and I've

860
00:37:50,241 --> 00:37:52,161
Speaker 1: taught them how to do naughty things because I'm the

861
00:37:52,241 --> 00:37:55,481
Speaker 1: naughty uncle, you know, And that to me sort of

862
00:37:55,761 --> 00:37:58,161
Speaker 1: cancels out the regret of not having my own children.

863
00:37:58,281 --> 00:37:59,321
Speaker 1: But yep, no regrets.

864
00:38:00,441 --> 00:38:03,521
Speaker 2: There's nothing that you'd like to do. No, No, you're

865
00:38:03,561 --> 00:38:04,681
Speaker 2: just happy to just have life.

866
00:38:05,161 --> 00:38:08,721
Speaker 1: If even if you said, Steve managed no option, nothing known,

867
00:38:09,441 --> 00:38:11,681
Speaker 1: I'd be like, let's you go for dinner. Let's have

868
00:38:11,721 --> 00:38:14,281
Speaker 1: a steak while I can still lead it. And I'm

869
00:38:14,281 --> 00:38:16,041
Speaker 1: an early nice bottle of red while I can still

870
00:38:16,081 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 1: lead it. But no, and a lot of my mates

871
00:38:18,561 --> 00:38:20,641
Speaker 1: keep going. I said, really, why do we do that?

872
00:38:21,081 --> 00:38:24,721
Speaker 1: Don't it? What about this? Don't it? Did it? Dated?

873
00:38:24,841 --> 00:38:24,921
Speaker 3: Up?

874
00:38:27,761 --> 00:38:28,121
Speaker 1: I got it.

875
00:38:28,361 --> 00:38:32,361
Speaker 4: I keep getting these stupid tatoos with my friends. I've

876
00:38:32,361 --> 00:38:33,121
Speaker 4: got one, the other.

877
00:38:33,161 --> 00:38:35,001
Speaker 1: That I got with my with my nieces, I got

878
00:38:35,041 --> 00:38:38,281
Speaker 1: twin nieces. It's a cannon tuna. Why it's a cannachuin?

879
00:38:38,321 --> 00:38:38,601
Speaker 3: I don't know.

880
00:38:38,641 --> 00:38:41,601
Speaker 1: It's a shame you can't see because it's really but

881
00:38:41,721 --> 00:38:43,561
Speaker 1: I love it because that's what the girls wanted.

882
00:38:43,841 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 4: And the other night, another very good friend of mine,

883
00:38:46,521 --> 00:38:47,441
Speaker 4: we first met.

884
00:38:47,321 --> 00:38:50,401
Speaker 1: On a golf course, so now we have matching, matching tatoos.

885
00:38:50,641 --> 00:38:53,841
Speaker 4: It's a golf club and a golf ball. It's a

886
00:38:53,881 --> 00:38:55,561
Speaker 4: good thing. This is radio, not television.

887
00:38:56,761 --> 00:38:57,561
Speaker 1: You don't worry.

888
00:38:57,801 --> 00:39:02,921
Speaker 3: Oh my god, what would you what would you describe

889
00:39:02,961 --> 00:39:04,601
Speaker 3: you in one word? O?

890
00:39:05,121 --> 00:39:07,561
Speaker 4: Uck, childish?

891
00:39:09,121 --> 00:39:11,641
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's like people always say, Wow, what

892
00:39:11,841 --> 00:39:12,441
Speaker 1: defines you?

893
00:39:13,241 --> 00:39:14,601
Speaker 4: That's a really hard question.

894
00:39:15,321 --> 00:39:17,481
Speaker 1: Never fucked out anybody that didn't need to be fucked over,

895
00:39:18,561 --> 00:39:20,921
Speaker 1: didn't do anything, didn't do anyth the wrong thing by anybody.

896
00:39:21,841 --> 00:39:23,681
Speaker 1: I like to think that I've been a good person,

897
00:39:24,121 --> 00:39:27,681
Speaker 1: and I think that comes with the eventuation of death.

898
00:39:28,281 --> 00:39:31,281
Speaker 1: Have I been good? Have I done the right thing? Yeah?

899
00:39:31,281 --> 00:39:31,921
Speaker 4: I reckon I have.

900
00:39:32,921 --> 00:39:36,121
Speaker 1: I think integrity and honesty are all those really good things.

901
00:39:36,321 --> 00:39:38,321
Speaker 1: That's why you and I are friends because I was

902
00:39:38,401 --> 00:39:40,561
Speaker 1: never a dickhead to you. I never stole money from

903
00:39:40,561 --> 00:39:42,641
Speaker 1: anybody that you knew that. I stole the money from anuse.

904
00:39:43,241 --> 00:39:45,801
Speaker 1: We clicked straight away, We did straight away, and one

905
00:39:45,841 --> 00:39:48,801
Speaker 1: would think, how the fuck did that work out? You know,

906
00:39:49,441 --> 00:39:51,921
Speaker 1: but it did and the respect is carried on for

907
00:39:52,881 --> 00:39:57,521
Speaker 1: fifteen twenty years years. Yeah, and it's like whenever I

908
00:39:57,561 --> 00:39:59,521
Speaker 1: see it's like it's like you know, there's been a

909
00:39:59,601 --> 00:40:02,281
Speaker 1: pause button. It's exactly the same as it always was.

910
00:40:03,401 --> 00:40:05,761
Speaker 1: You know, people wanting to see that I haven't seen

911
00:40:05,841 --> 00:40:07,841
Speaker 1: for a long time, and to me, that's really special.

912
00:40:08,361 --> 00:40:10,561
Speaker 1: It also gives them them the opportunity to say goodbye

913
00:40:10,601 --> 00:40:13,161
Speaker 1: as well. But also it's nice to be able to

914
00:40:13,161 --> 00:40:15,401
Speaker 1: spend time with him. I know that John wants to

915
00:40:15,441 --> 00:40:18,161
Speaker 1: see me before you flanch or something. Yeah, we hang

916
00:40:18,201 --> 00:40:19,881
Speaker 1: out with him for a coffee and have lunch with him.

917
00:40:20,401 --> 00:40:22,961
Speaker 3: All right, I'll say this, then, is it because you

918
00:40:23,041 --> 00:40:26,561
Speaker 3: know what's happened to you and people reach out who

919
00:40:26,641 --> 00:40:28,001
Speaker 3: you haven't seen for a long time.

920
00:40:28,401 --> 00:40:30,241
Speaker 2: Do you feel that like that's a bit like, oh,

921
00:40:30,281 --> 00:40:31,801
Speaker 2: you're only reaching out to me now because of this.

922
00:40:32,001 --> 00:40:34,521
Speaker 1: Some people it is now, some people it is. Yes,

923
00:40:35,521 --> 00:40:37,201
Speaker 1: I don't think it's. There's some people they have this

924
00:40:37,401 --> 00:40:40,921
Speaker 1: they have own conscious a little bit of guilt or whatever.

925
00:40:41,961 --> 00:40:45,201
Speaker 1: But for the most part, I think they're just genuinely

926
00:40:45,401 --> 00:40:48,801
Speaker 1: like we're all so connected with social media. I saw

927
00:40:48,881 --> 00:40:50,441
Speaker 1: what you had fucking for dinner last night on you

928
00:40:50,561 --> 00:40:52,881
Speaker 1: on your Instagram, right, But we haven't seen each other

929
00:40:52,921 --> 00:40:55,641
Speaker 1: in twelve months, but we still keep in touch. We

930
00:40:55,681 --> 00:40:58,641
Speaker 1: still keep in touch, but we haven't actually physically seen

931
00:40:58,681 --> 00:41:02,241
Speaker 1: each other. High five, arm around hut and I think

932
00:41:02,321 --> 00:41:04,521
Speaker 1: there's a lot of people are going, well, we actually

933
00:41:04,601 --> 00:41:07,041
Speaker 1: haven't seen in each other and sometimes Steve, but we're

934
00:41:07,081 --> 00:41:09,521
Speaker 1: so connected on social media. I think we need to

935
00:41:09,561 --> 00:41:12,041
Speaker 1: think about that a little bit more and actually reconnect

936
00:41:12,081 --> 00:41:14,841
Speaker 1: with our friends and go out with them, catch up

937
00:41:14,881 --> 00:41:17,081
Speaker 1: with them, have a barbigue, you have a beer, and

938
00:41:17,241 --> 00:41:21,121
Speaker 1: just sit down and connect rather than the constant text

939
00:41:21,201 --> 00:41:22,841
Speaker 1: messages in this and that and that and that and

940
00:41:22,921 --> 00:41:26,321
Speaker 1: that and not really spending time with people. And that

941
00:41:26,481 --> 00:41:28,441
Speaker 1: was another reason why I wanted to throw the party,

942
00:41:29,001 --> 00:41:30,921
Speaker 1: was because there were so many people who I hadn't seen,

943
00:41:30,961 --> 00:41:33,761
Speaker 1: who I really wanted to see. That because of working

944
00:41:33,761 --> 00:41:37,241
Speaker 1: in hospitality for so many years, I'd be working for

945
00:41:37,321 --> 00:41:40,081
Speaker 1: Thursday night, Friday night, Saturday night, Sunday night. That's when

946
00:41:40,121 --> 00:41:42,881
Speaker 1: then nights were off. My nights were Monday Tuesday. Who

947
00:41:42,881 --> 00:41:45,801
Speaker 1: want to fucking go on Monday Tuesday? Now people actually

948
00:41:45,841 --> 00:41:48,401
Speaker 1: do want to go and go on Tuesday. But I

949
00:41:48,561 --> 00:41:50,561
Speaker 1: just I don't look at people and go, oh, you're

950
00:41:50,601 --> 00:41:54,041
Speaker 1: just doing that because you know you're feeling guilty about something.

951
00:41:54,281 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 4: Okay, you know, I don't. I don't think that at all.

952
00:41:56,481 --> 00:41:58,361
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think that people are really thinking

953
00:41:58,401 --> 00:42:01,961
Speaker 1: along those lines. I mean, as I said with John, yeah,

954
00:42:01,961 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 1: I'd love to catch up with him. You know, whenever

955
00:42:03,481 --> 00:42:04,801
Speaker 1: I see him, he is always you know, we always

956
00:42:04,801 --> 00:42:08,401
Speaker 1: got on fine, you know, And that's just the way

957
00:42:08,441 --> 00:42:10,841
Speaker 1: it is. People reaching out to me that I haven't

958
00:42:10,841 --> 00:42:11,681
Speaker 1: heard from it in a long time.

959
00:42:11,721 --> 00:42:12,361
Speaker 4: I think it's great.

960
00:42:12,721 --> 00:42:13,921
Speaker 1: If I don't want to hang out with or to

961
00:42:13,921 --> 00:42:16,201
Speaker 1: hang out with that simple look, I'm really I'm not

962
00:42:16,241 --> 00:42:18,481
Speaker 1: feeling up for it tonight. Or I had a bit

963
00:42:18,481 --> 00:42:20,681
Speaker 1: of a rough couple of weeks which I have. You know,

964
00:42:21,001 --> 00:42:22,801
Speaker 1: my health goes up and down and up and down,

965
00:42:22,881 --> 00:42:25,641
Speaker 1: up and down, my sleeping. But if you saw the

966
00:42:25,761 --> 00:42:28,881
Speaker 1: dosage of morphine that I'm on right now, it's hilarious.

967
00:42:29,641 --> 00:42:34,881
Speaker 1: It's a slow release morphine patch, sensational, sensational, but the

968
00:42:34,961 --> 00:42:36,401
Speaker 1: pain is constant and it's fixing it.

969
00:42:36,601 --> 00:42:37,801
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's fixing it.

970
00:42:38,681 --> 00:42:40,521
Speaker 1: So you know, I've had a great time.

971
00:42:41,001 --> 00:42:46,321
Speaker 3: Norets Wow, Steve, like, I thank you for coming on

972
00:42:46,561 --> 00:42:49,001
Speaker 3: back on, But like as I said, I'm me, I'm

973
00:42:49,001 --> 00:42:50,681
Speaker 3: still lostful with It'd.

974
00:42:50,481 --> 00:42:52,201
Speaker 1: Be nice if it was under different circumstances.

975
00:42:52,601 --> 00:42:54,441
Speaker 3: But you know what, but that's why I said to

976
00:42:54,481 --> 00:42:56,121
Speaker 3: you that this is the reason why I wanted you

977
00:42:56,241 --> 00:42:58,641
Speaker 3: back on, because one, you know, I've seen that you

978
00:42:58,761 --> 00:43:00,361
Speaker 3: did your last stance and I thought, you know what,

979
00:43:00,601 --> 00:43:02,801
Speaker 3: this would be good to have because we never had

980
00:43:02,881 --> 00:43:05,241
Speaker 3: video footage of you and that's the reason why wants

981
00:43:05,321 --> 00:43:06,761
Speaker 3: to redo your your interviews.

982
00:43:06,801 --> 00:43:08,721
Speaker 2: So there was always footage of year there.

983
00:43:09,281 --> 00:43:11,961
Speaker 1: And I appreciate that because it wasn't from the last one.

984
00:43:12,001 --> 00:43:13,561
Speaker 1: We were kind out, we didn't even we didn't have

985
00:43:13,601 --> 00:43:15,881
Speaker 1: any have something to put out, put you a follow.

986
00:43:17,161 --> 00:43:19,841
Speaker 3: Yeah, and now this has gone I like bigger with

987
00:43:19,921 --> 00:43:21,561
Speaker 3: my podcast. I thought, you know what to get them

988
00:43:21,601 --> 00:43:24,001
Speaker 3: back on and I've got that everyone's got that memory

989
00:43:24,041 --> 00:43:24,281
Speaker 3: of there.

990
00:43:24,441 --> 00:43:26,121
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the same. And then I appreciate that. I

991
00:43:26,241 --> 00:43:28,041
Speaker 4: appreciate that a great deal.

992
00:43:28,481 --> 00:43:31,241
Speaker 1: And as I said, our friendship is twenty years and

993
00:43:31,321 --> 00:43:34,721
Speaker 1: it's always insolid, always insolent. Thank you for coming on,

994
00:43:34,801 --> 00:43:36,481
Speaker 1: my pleasure brother, Thank you for having me now we're

995
00:43:36,481 --> 00:43:37,521
Speaker 1: going to go up and have a big hub.

996
00:43:39,321 --> 00:43:40,401
Speaker 4: You can feel like it's a SLA.