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Speaker 1: Hi, my boris and this is straight Talk Michael Checker.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to straight Talk, mate, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 2: Good to see it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's good to be.

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Speaker 2: I think last week we saw each other.

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Speaker 1: You, me and a couple of other blokes had a

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Speaker 1: lunch in some fancy joint which you paid for?

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Speaker 2: Did you pay for it?

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Speaker 3: And I think you did it?

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Speaker 2: Oh well, there's got to be a square. But by

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Speaker 2: the way, is that the reason you leave in the country?

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Speaker 3: What not to pay that have to pay for lunch? No? No, no, no, no, no,

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Speaker 3: I'd like to I'd like to hip back there at

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Speaker 3: some stage. It was a nice lunch.

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Speaker 2: And so I mean, grace Greeks are milly mean? I'm

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Speaker 2: not sure? So what about the Lebanese like we're givers?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, look from very young coming in luck my

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Speaker 3: family came that, my parents came to the country, and

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Speaker 3: then my place was always the drop in center, right,

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Speaker 3: so free food. I come home from school some days

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Speaker 3: and my mates would be there at the in the

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Speaker 3: kitchen before I was even home eating. So it was

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Speaker 3: always a giving place as food is concerned.

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Speaker 2: Where did you grow up as a kid?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Could she? Could you want a bread? Yeah? My

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Speaker 3: old man came to Australia probably nineteen fifty and my

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Speaker 3: mum came later. He met her here. So he started,

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Speaker 3: like I've told this story before, but you know, I

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Speaker 3: suppose it leads into a bit of how it got

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Speaker 3: involved in foot it really because when they turned up

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Speaker 3: they had nothing, you know, and so the running away

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Speaker 3: from wars and well, i'd say maybe civil like village

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Speaker 3: village politics, which could happen, you know, and I think

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Speaker 3: things probably got heated, so, you know, and it was

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Speaker 3: it was a lot rougher back then. You know, guns

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Speaker 3: were drawn back in the day.

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Speaker 2: It's pretty rough now too. Right at the moment, it's.

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Speaker 3: A it's been run by different people, you know. I

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Speaker 3: think the villagers are more happy to to stay stay

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Speaker 3: cool and relaxed. But it's more of the bigger players

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Speaker 3: in the marketplace that are pushing that a conflict. But

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Speaker 3: that's another story. So when he came and he was

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Speaker 3: we had one mate with him and they said that

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Speaker 3: cab drive rather than where they're from, and they said, oh, well,

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Speaker 3: they couldn't speak much English, so Lebanon, so they didn't

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Speaker 3: have anywhere to go. He dropped them at Redford Park

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Speaker 3: because the church was there, right, and so from there

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Speaker 3: Redfern Oval was across the road and I think as

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Speaker 3: part of assimilating they go to the footy man.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, I know that. I think I know the one.

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Speaker 1: It's just a little bit up the road from probably

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Speaker 1: the new one is, but just a sort of bit

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Speaker 1: up from red from where they play foot is where

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Speaker 1: the actual community park is.

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Speaker 3: It's just a bit further up you go past the

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Speaker 3: community park and there's the one way it comes down Elizabeth.

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Speaker 1: Strea towards the cities from Redford. Yes, exactly, Okay, I

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Speaker 1: know that one.

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Speaker 3: It's just around the corner and I think they probably

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Speaker 3: checked up in a hostel there somewhere and that's where

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Speaker 3: they started getting involved in footy. And obviously the labs

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Speaker 3: back then would have gone west that was where the

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Speaker 3: community was, but my my father decided that east was

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Speaker 3: more of the go and he moved out there and

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Speaker 3: we stayed there ever since.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so they had nowhere a taxi and they didn't

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Speaker 1: know they didn't.

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Speaker 2: Have a place to go to as such.

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Speaker 3: That's what a lot of the immigrants would have had made.

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Speaker 3: I think there's stories even from them where some got

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Speaker 3: on boats thinking they'll go on to America, you know,

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Speaker 3: they end up in Australia. Well, how would you know.

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Speaker 3: You wouldn't know what you're getting off to. That's why

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Speaker 3: we're so blessed these days. We can see everything before

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Speaker 3: we go there, you know. But when they turned up,

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Speaker 3: I suppose it was and I think it leads into

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Speaker 3: a bit of even my own character around, you know,

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Speaker 3: sometimes because they leave no certainty they're ever going to

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Speaker 3: go back and see their parents, which my father never did.

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Speaker 3: No certainty when they can get back there in the

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Speaker 3: pursuit of getting a better life, you know, which obviously

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Speaker 3: Australia offered back then. And yeah, I think he was

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Speaker 3: lot of things from back in Lemon. I'm very happy

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Speaker 3: to be coming here and to live in Australia.

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Speaker 2: And how many kids are then in the family, your family.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I've got a brother and a sister, both older,

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Speaker 3: so as a ethnic kid, so I got the dream run.

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Speaker 3: You know, they did all the damage for me and

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Speaker 3: I just got the dream run after that. And then

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Speaker 3: I've in turn got four of my own.

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Speaker 1: Did you do you remember as a child when you

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Speaker 1: first like when you are young kid, do you remember

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Speaker 1: there being much of a Lebanese community because you ultimately

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Speaker 1: moved out of could you because you just got Marsling,

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Speaker 1: didn't it?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so the cafe has got in Ramwick. Do you

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Speaker 1: remember whether or not your family, Maybe not you because

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Speaker 1: you're at school, but your family, whether or not you

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Speaker 3: Definitely. You know my dad was, I think because he

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Speaker 3: was there early and he had he was interested in

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Speaker 3: the political side of things. He he got involved in

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Speaker 3: the community. He was he helped people when they arrived

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Speaker 3: them with jobs and stuff like that, because like they

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Speaker 3: man he was Railways, then worked at the Singer selling

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Speaker 3: machine factory and the glass factory there they do a

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Speaker 3: bit of everything. So but he didn't go and live

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Speaker 3: in the community. In fact, he got an MBE for

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Speaker 3: services in the ethnic community for the Lebanese community in

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Speaker 3: he he he did a lot and then got involved

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Speaker 3: in the politics of it as well. And you know,

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Speaker 3: got to know a fair few of the Pollys here

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Speaker 3: in Australia as well when it came to how they

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Speaker 3: Ethnic Communities and Ethnic Affairs Commission. I think was because

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Speaker 1: Of Lebanese, particularly the Christian Lebanes, who are the only

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Speaker 1: ones I on knew growing up, moved out, lived out

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Speaker 1: where I lived in the West Suburbs. So like my school,

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Speaker 1: mid sixties because there was the big war in Lebanon.

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Speaker 2: As I record, everybody sort of left and.

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Speaker 3: He's yeah, it started coming in sixty seventies. Yeah, that

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Speaker 3: well at that time, I think, and the community grew

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Speaker 3: out there. You've only got to go to a Bulldogs

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Speaker 3: game at Belmore you'll see what it's all about. Or

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Speaker 3: you know, he saw the last World Cup of rugby

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Speaker 3: league that was here in Australia. I think the Lebs

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Speaker 3: had a few home games. You know, there's that many

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Speaker 3: people there, but there is a strong community that's all

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Speaker 3: through that West Southwest in Sydney. I'm talking about West

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Speaker 1: Especially now they're speaking of the Lebanese community. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I have to ask the question because Jimmy Simon's James

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Speaker 1: Simon's of you know, Ossie Homeland's fame. Heard I told

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Speaker 1: him because I haven't coffee with him outside before you

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Speaker 1: got it that you were coming in and he said

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Speaker 1: to me, Ah, I asked, Check about my father or grandfather.

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Speaker 1: Somebody saved your father on a plane or something like that.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to tell everybody told me, right, Jimmy, this

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Speaker 1: is mate. It could be bullshit, but I'm going to

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Speaker 1: test it out on the on the real deal here, okay,

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Speaker 1: and you'll be listening to this. I know you told

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Speaker 1: me that Check's father carried your father, Michael on his

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Speaker 1: shoulder off a plane and.

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Speaker 2: Saved his life. Okay, Can I just get that.

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Speaker 1: Your dad carried his dad no, no, sorry, the other

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Speaker 1: way around, his father, I should say, his father, Michael

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Speaker 1: carried your father off a plane and saved his life.

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Speaker 3: Well, the signs of that interesting hook up with us

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Speaker 3: since day one. So one of the only numbers that

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Speaker 3: all connections that my father would have had back when

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Speaker 3: and there was a connection there between them early on

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Speaker 3: which he connected in with Michael around which is James's dad,

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Speaker 3: and they were on a trip I'm pretty sure over

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Speaker 3: were doing a pretty sure showcase like in the Middle East,

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Speaker 3: Australian products something like that was going on, and my

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Speaker 3: dad had heart issues, you know, always, it never really

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Speaker 3: heart issues. He was a good smoker. He didn't mind

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Speaker 3: was a bit of action on there. Michael was involved

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Speaker 3: that I think they you know, assignment that might be well,

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Speaker 3: waves are always bigger a few years later, but he did.

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Speaker 3: He helped Dad in a in a tricky situation on

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Speaker 3: to go to hospital in the not sure where they landed,

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Speaker 3: he had to go to hospital at that time. So yeah,

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Speaker 3: there's always been a strong link there between them and

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Speaker 3: I remember when my father passed that grandfather Simon John

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Speaker 3: we weren't close on a day to day basis, there

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Speaker 1: So we look at Michael check a kid at school

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Speaker 1: at Marcel and let's say you're fifteen, what game you play?

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Speaker 2: What sport?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? League?

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Speaker 2: You're playing lee for Marslin. Yeah, you're playing rugby as well.

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Speaker 3: We play on weekends sometimes, well there was marcelon had

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Speaker 3: it there was a club team around the local area.

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Speaker 2: Would have guess probably yeah.

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Speaker 3: That fed into Roundwick Rugby and we lived just up

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Speaker 3: the road from the rugby So it's funny how the

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Speaker 3: principal can decide a lot, right. So my brother went

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Speaker 3: to Marston as well, and they were playing rugby at school.

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Speaker 3: And then the principal changed when I came in there

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Speaker 3: and they focused much more on league. They played both,

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Speaker 3: so they just went for league and and I suppose

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Speaker 3: that that was our demographic, you know, growing up playing

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Speaker 3: league and we had a good we had a good

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Speaker 3: team and we were stay champions at the end of

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Speaker 3: our school Yeargan was in the side. Yeah, and I

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Speaker 3: didn't have a whole lot of guys that kicked on actually,

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Speaker 3: but we had a strong team and and it was Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it was all about rugby league growing up.

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Speaker 2: So how did you get into rugby union? So what

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Speaker 2: was that?

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Speaker 1: So does that inform you as a I'm not talking

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Speaker 3: No, I think it's I think it suits some, doesn't

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Speaker 1: Because I mean, I look at the Joseph Soli, you know,

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Speaker 2: He's a great kid.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I used to be a great fan of

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Speaker 1: And I league's gone and leaps and bounds. And if

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Speaker 2: To me, I don't understand.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's the culture of traditions, you know, the teams.

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Speaker 3: There's some teams in Europe that are very tight, forward

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Speaker 2: Do you mean that you mean the members, Yeah, the fans.

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Speaker 3: across the board for everybody, right, and no one in

438
00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:19,879
Speaker 3: the Northern hemisphere is looking for those types of rule changes.

439
00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:21,359
Speaker 3: So realistically, so.

440
00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:23,320
Speaker 1: Is the audience different in the Northern hemisphere, because I

441
00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:25,000
Speaker 1: mean you're right too, by the way, because Ireland is

442
00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:29,640
Speaker 1: like killing it, whereas they weren't twenty five years ago.

443
00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:35,159
Speaker 1: They wouldn't make anything. There was nothing going on. And

444
00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:37,840
Speaker 1: twenty five years ago it was Australia, New Zealand and

445
00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:39,959
Speaker 1: the spring Box like that was it.

446
00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:43,160
Speaker 2: They were the three mobs you want to watch.

447
00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:47,239
Speaker 1: Sometimes you maybe Argentina era now and then and there

448
00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:50,199
Speaker 1: might be a Barbarian Barbarians game, which would be interesting

449
00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:52,240
Speaker 1: to watch against one of the other mobs. But that

450
00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:54,439
Speaker 1: was and that's what I watched, That's what I enjoyed watching.

451
00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:56,720
Speaker 1: I sort of dropped off over a period of time,

452
00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:02,639
Speaker 1: and Rugby Union two was also very wealthy. AIU was

453
00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:04,800
Speaker 1: like seemed to me anyway that they had a lot

454
00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:07,399
Speaker 1: of money, and then all of a sudden I just

455
00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:09,960
Speaker 1: sort of, you know, I had Oilsy on it. So

456
00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:12,879
Speaker 1: he has his view on these things. But you know

457
00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:17,760
Speaker 1: what happened, has that the fans in Europe love this

458
00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:18,920
Speaker 1: style of game in Europe?

459
00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:21,879
Speaker 2: Have our fans? Why have our fans dropped off or

460
00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:23,520
Speaker 2: they stopped loving the style of game in Do we

461
00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:25,000
Speaker 2: have to change the style of game here to get

462
00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:25,960
Speaker 2: our fans back on board.

463
00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:29,160
Speaker 3: I think that a lot of people may have lost

464
00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:33,159
Speaker 3: access to watch the game. You know, the terms of

465
00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:37,199
Speaker 3: broadcast lot the whole thing like venues because it's you

466
00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:39,399
Speaker 3: could go now because of Super Rugby, you could go

467
00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:42,879
Speaker 3: with without a game being played in Sydney for five weeks.

468
00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:45,000
Speaker 3: Because of the way the draw might work, you might

469
00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:46,880
Speaker 3: get serena row and then you might not get one

470
00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:50,440
Speaker 3: for so what are kids going to watch on a

471
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:53,199
Speaker 3: day that Now, if you promote club rugby in a

472
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:55,840
Speaker 3: different way and build it up, then they've got somewhere

473
00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:58,040
Speaker 3: that's it's a draw card for them to go to

474
00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:00,719
Speaker 3: and have the experience of the event, because that's what

475
00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:02,440
Speaker 3: people want when they gave They want to watch a game,

476
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:04,080
Speaker 3: but they also want the event, you know, they want

477
00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:07,200
Speaker 3: to go and see the stars or the kid the

478
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:09,080
Speaker 3: players they look up to, and if the kids are going,

479
00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:11,520
Speaker 3: the parents are going and so on and so forth.

480
00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:15,520
Speaker 3: You know. So I think that that we haven't given

481
00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:20,760
Speaker 3: I remember when Joe came in as a kid, Joe

482
00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:23,399
Speaker 3: so Wali, he came in there as a kid, maybe

483
00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:26,040
Speaker 3: fifteen or sixteen into the Wallabies when I was coaching there,

484
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:29,280
Speaker 3: and he didn't know many of the players. He knew Israel,

485
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:32,120
Speaker 3: he knew a couple of others who had played in NRL,

486
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:34,560
Speaker 3: because maybe he hasn't had the access to be able

487
00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:36,560
Speaker 3: to go and see those guys turn up, all different

488
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:40,520
Speaker 3: players turn up. And I think that's really important. We've

489
00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:43,200
Speaker 3: got to give people access to be able to see

490
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:47,160
Speaker 3: the game, either either at the ground or on TV more,

491
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:49,480
Speaker 3: you know, and whether it's the content, the amount of

492
00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:53,680
Speaker 3: content that's been viewed. I'm not even to be honest,

493
00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:56,720
Speaker 3: I'm not sure how the club Rugby is even but

494
00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:59,720
Speaker 3: if it's being shown on any free to wear channels,

495
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:03,240
Speaker 3: thing like that. But kids need more of that access

496
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 3: and by nature they get more interested. I know when

497
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:10,240
Speaker 3: my kids go to watch something, whether they go watch

498
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:13,000
Speaker 3: the soccer. Okay, over in the UK, we went to

499
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:16,280
Speaker 3: watch a game when they came over to visit. Then

500
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:18,960
Speaker 3: they started getting interested in having a look what's on here?

501
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:21,040
Speaker 3: How can I see more of this, etcetera. You know,

502
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:25,199
Speaker 3: become members of the Liverpool or whatever like because they

503
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:28,280
Speaker 3: get attached to the to the peace that comes around.

504
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:31,160
Speaker 3: And that's why we all support teams because we identify

505
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:34,320
Speaker 3: with something that's inside of that club. I like that

506
00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:37,239
Speaker 3: club for this reason. I like that team because I

507
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 3: want to be associated with what it stands for.

508
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:42,159
Speaker 1: It's very interesting that because that meant as you know,

509
00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 1: a robot fan and your great mates of Trent Robinson

510
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:51,040
Speaker 1: on lots of levels, Robbo is very much into promoting

511
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:52,800
Speaker 1: what our club stands.

512
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:55,960
Speaker 2: For, the Roosters. We call it the Roosters Way, et cetera.

513
00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:02,440
Speaker 1: What if in terms of Mike Checker and your coaching career.

514
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:07,480
Speaker 1: And let's go back when you're coaching Australia beyond Astralia

515
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:11,320
Speaker 1: beyond fifteen fifteen sixteen, wasn't it. Yeah, let's go beyond that, leak.

516
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:15,439
Speaker 1: Let's go like twenty ten. Who are you coaching that period?

517
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:19,520
Speaker 3: Twenty ten? I just finished coaching Leinster five years?

518
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:22,720
Speaker 1: Ye, so you did a five year standard Leinster. What

519
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 1: sort of what are the sorts of things that you

520
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 1: get the clubs that you're responsible for, how do you

521
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 1: what do you sort of try and instill in them?

522
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:34,879
Speaker 1: Is it Michael Checkers view or is it the community

523
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,199
Speaker 1: view that you read the community? Or is it the

524
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:40,879
Speaker 1: players give you some input as to how you guys

525
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:43,199
Speaker 1: can let's call it promote yourselves as what you stand for.

526
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 2: How do you do that?

527
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 3: I think that it's with every team there will always

528
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:51,960
Speaker 3: be a history. There will always be a culture and

529
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,960
Speaker 3: identity that comes through from the past. And I feel

530
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:59,199
Speaker 3: that as far as our connection with supporters, which is

531
00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:02,520
Speaker 3: the important one, how the people see us, both our

532
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:06,120
Speaker 3: supporters to support us and the opposition's supporters so they

533
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 3: can be against us. As of you on you as

534
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,560
Speaker 3: view on the team, Yeah, is that we want to

535
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:15,879
Speaker 3: keep that historical element going and then improve that.

536
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:17,399
Speaker 2: How do you review that? I mean, how do you

537
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:18,480
Speaker 2: get your hit around that part?

538
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 3: What do you think it's about? Talking to people inside

539
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 3: of the club in proper induction, even before you go there.

540
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 3: I would any team I've been to, I always learn

541
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 3: about try to learn as much as I can about

542
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:33,119
Speaker 3: the history of the club. Say at Leinster, for example,

543
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 3: they had a reputation of being the fancy city boys.

544
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 3: Never really got to the top. They were pitched again

545
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:43,879
Speaker 3: and they played a bit of rugby, you know, they

546
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 3: they threw it around a bit. They were known more

547
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 3: for their backs than their forward say, whereas they would ruby.

548
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 3: Whereas they were pitted against Munster, who were at that

549
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:57,880
Speaker 3: stage European champions or there or thereabouts, more not from

550
00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:02,640
Speaker 3: the city, more country folks, hard rugby, more forward orientated,

551
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,679
Speaker 3: kick and chase. So there was a clear contrasting styles,

552
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:10,200
Speaker 3: and I felt like, okay, well I need to continue

553
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 3: that feeling, polish it up so that it's slick, but

554
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:18,879
Speaker 3: also underneath that have the hard edge that maybe not

555
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 3: talk about it too much because but you need it

556
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:25,879
Speaker 3: to win. So keep your identity brutal a little bit brutal,

557
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 3: tough and hard. Cop it, but give it, train hard,

558
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:34,639
Speaker 3: be ready as far as those things are considered, like

559
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 3: be prepared to play the game tough, because there's some

560
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 3: games you're going to have to play that aren't going

561
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 3: to be running rugby. I remember in the with that

562
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 3: team two thousand and nine we won European Championship on

563
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:50,720
Speaker 3: the way that first two thousand and nine, No, that

564
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 3: was the third that we We played a game in

565
00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:01,719
Speaker 3: the quarter final against Harlequins away from home which we

566
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 3: won six'. Five well so two goals to two penalties

567
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 3: to which certainly wasn't. Us AND i remember the chairman

568
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 3: of A cloud coming to me in that. Day you,

569
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 3: Know i've been telling you we need to learn how to,

570
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 3: win you, know nine to six or because we could

571
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 3: win thirty to twenty or thirty to, thirty thirty one,

572
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 3: thirty but to win six' five it almost like galvanized

573
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 3: us in, a way and we. WENT on i won

574
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 3: the semi Final in dublin and then won the final

575
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 3: which was Up, in murrayfield and it gave us that

576
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 3: little bit of edge that we could win in that

577
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 3: tough more confidence we could win at the top level

578
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:40,720
Speaker 3: against top teams in a tough battle where we weren't

579
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 3: just scrowing points because defense obviously is a huge and

580
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 3: the contacts huge part of.

581
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 1: The game so how hard is it, to get especially in,

582
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 1: that example less when they weren't winning prior to you,

583
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 1: Coming along how hard is it to get that winning

584
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 1: mentality knowing how?

585
00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 2: To win maybe you could explain what.

586
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 1: That means but because a lot, of clubs even in,

587
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 1: rugby league don't know how, to win a lot of

588
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 1: young players who are not used, to it they don't

589
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 1: know how.

590
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 3: To win mark at the. Top LEVEL if i can't

591
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,960
Speaker 3: see the, exact, stats right but if you think about in,

592
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 3: its reality it's got to be somewhere between only five

593
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 3: and eight or nine percent of people. Are winning because

594
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 3: you think in any one year a, team wins there's

595
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 3: in the rugby lea there's sixteen teams. That Lose In

596
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 3: super rugby there's nine other teams. That lose, You know

597
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 3: so winning mentality you have to learn it through the

598
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 3: way you you drive yourself, at training the way that

599
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 3: you don't want to settle for second best in our. Coach,

600
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 3: areas definitely by setting up the environment for people to

601
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 3: thrive in, that way and those that don't thrive you

602
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 3: have to change and those, needs yeah, well yeah that's

603
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 3: part of. The. Business yeah and those that, do thrive

604
00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 3: they push on and they might drive others, with them.

605
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 3: You know and you'll never get everyone in, that line,

606
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 3: you know but you need a certain group of them

607
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 3: that will drive that that type of habit and that

608
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 3: will bring the others along.

609
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:17,719
Speaker 1: With them it's a it's an. Interesting mentality do you,

610
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:20,719
Speaker 1: sit down but What Does? Michael checker do you appoint

611
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 1: a senior leadership team and you do you brief them

612
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:25,960
Speaker 1: or do they? RUN that, i mean do you rely

613
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 1: on them to run?

614
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 3: That program different teams require, different things and then you

615
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 3: require change and evolution as you. Move on SO what

616
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 3: i started Doing at leinster was probably a little Bit

617
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 3: more i'll drag you by the year and show YOU

618
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 3: like i was even young enough back then to jump

619
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 3: into training, with them. You know and what would you

620
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 3: do when you?

621
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 2: Did that what would you slug.

622
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 3: Them get in there and cause trouble AND if i

623
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 3: was looking at that point, in particular and wait for

624
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 3: them to come back, at me. You know and it took,

625
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 3: a while but it was younger guys who's to take that.

626
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 3: Bat lift but because the older guys that had different

627
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 3: habits and you if you want to, change habits you

628
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 3: can't get rid. Of it you've got to you've got

629
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 3: to actually. Change it you can't eliminate. A habit you've

630
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 3: got to replace it with. Something else otherwise, too hard it's.

631
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 3: Too hard you keep going back to. The habit but

632
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 3: if you've got another habit to, put there then it

633
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 3: can replace that habit and shift, it out and, you

634
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 3: know over a period. Of time and but you've got

635
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 3: to be quite relentless, in that which doesn't always make

636
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 3: you the most popular guy. In town that you can

637
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 3: you can build that one, gets it then another, gets

638
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 3: it and the domino starts. To fall and once there's

639
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 3: a critical mass or a critical few even they can

640
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 3: bring the others where you want them.

641
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 2: To go So, after leinster that take us to you

642
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 2: coaching astraight inside?

643
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 3: WHAT happened i started. OFF coaching i had a Year.

644
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 3: In italy ONE year i do yeah from playing. Over

645
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 3: there by, the way You speak arabic enough yet enough

646
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 3: to GET so i couldn't read, and write but can.

647
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 3: Definitely communicate get over in most Of the, arabic countries

648
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 3: and Then obviously FRENCH and i played, over There AND

649
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 3: italian i played, over there And then SPANISH when i

650
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 3: coached the argis Just, now SPANISH well i pretty. Much

651
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 3: learned i've watched about sixty Episodes, of NARCOS so i

652
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 3: was good, to go you know. With, subtitles well All

653
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 3: the latin languages are pretty. The same you just got

654
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 3: to get your head. Around it and OF course i

655
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 3: just said, To them i'm going to speak in your

656
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 3: Language and i'm going to make a lot. Of mistakes

657
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 3: so you just helped me on, the way, you know

658
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 3: which turned out to be a bit of a team

659
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 3: building thing in itself to. The.

660
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 2: Plage, yeah yeah so You coached.

661
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 3: Italy yea THEN then i went to came Back to australia.

662
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 3: My father that's when my, father PASSED and i stayed

663
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 3: HERE and I coached randwick for a few years and

664
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 3: then got the Position at leinster and then FROM there

665
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 3: i went start FROM say i actually Was, AFTER leinster

666
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 3: i said to, my wife let's have a, you BREAK

667
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 3: because i could have, continued THERE but i think we

668
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 3: wanted to have. A break we had a young one

669
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 3: just born who was fifteen months and we had twins

670
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 3: that were about to be born, after that so we

671
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,279
Speaker 3: would have been three round. To two so we thought

672
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 3: we'd take a. Year off we Went to paris where

673
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:14,799
Speaker 3: we had a place to have a, year off and

674
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:18,279
Speaker 3: then they went on to fire. Their coach it was

675
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:20,719
Speaker 3: there within a, few months and in fact It was

676
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 3: i'd made friends With the argentinian CREW because I Coached

677
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:28,239
Speaker 3: felipe Contempami and leinster for, those years and they came and, told,

678
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 3: me said Come. Coach. St francis there's a few of,

679
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 3: them THERE and, i, Thought well i'm here, as well,

680
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 3: you know which isn't the real way to prepare for

681
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:38,799
Speaker 3: when you're going to. Do something but coach, start, front

682
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 3: say for a couple, of years and then from there

683
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 3: came back To the waratars and Then after Wiretar's coach Astraight.

684
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 1: Coach astraight SO if i asked you What Was michael

685
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 1: checker's style relative to interaction with players during that period

686
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 1: of Coaching the, australian side how would you describe your style?

687
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 3: Looking, Back yeah i'm pretty. Honest GUY like I think

688
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 3: i'm very honest, with players whether it's in the positive or.

689
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 3: The negative, you KNOW sometimes i like players to focus,

690
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 3: on strengths, you know not, on weaknesses because if they're

691
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 3: Playing for australia and they've got a, certain weakness it means,

692
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 3: it's there you KNOW what, i mean it's something that

693
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 3: they've had From YOUNG so i don't need them to

694
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 3: the chance that they're going to turn that into. A

695
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 3: strength you'd need hours and hours and hours and hours

696
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 3: of practice that you don't have by. That stage so

697
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 3: you need to handle and you need to be competent in.

698
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 3: That Area but i'd rather than, you know be doing

699
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 3: what they're. Good at so how do you what do

700
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 3: you do map?

701
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 1: That out do you certainly see sit down with the

702
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 1: gin to talk to? The players did you ask you

703
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,319
Speaker 1: would you say to the, plan, so okay what do

704
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 1: you think your strengths?

705
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:46,759
Speaker 2: Are weaknesses or do you tell them what?

706
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:49,879
Speaker 3: You know this comes, from them, you know, BECAUSE yeah

707
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 3: i think they also have to be aware of What,

708
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 3: THEY'RE unfortunately i think a lot of guys when you

709
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 3: ask them to evaluate themselves or. PLAY it i talk

710
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 3: about guys that only coach the, man right so that

711
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 3: they evaluate themselves in a. Negative way maybe it's because of, the,

712
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:11,320
Speaker 3: well YEAH because i don't know if it's a, cultural

713
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 3: thing it's, all poppies or instead of just being accurate

714
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:19,359
Speaker 3: and being comfortable, to, SAY yeah i did this, really

715
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 3: WELL or i think this is, MY strength i can go.

716
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 3: To there whenever you give them a chance to, Score

717
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:27,239
Speaker 3: themselves i'll always score. THEMSELVES well a lot of, THE

718
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:28,880
Speaker 3: guys i WON'T say olli of them would score themselves

719
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,240
Speaker 3: on the. Lower LEVEL and i think that that's Something

720
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 3: without you've got to, stay humble but you've also got

721
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 3: to have gone strong. Self belief that is a really

722
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 3: important part of building a, winner's mindset, you know because

723
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 3: if you don't, stay humble you'll, be humbled that's. For

724
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 3: sure but you've also got To know i've, Got this

725
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:49,879
Speaker 3: i'm going to. MAKE account i can make. This happen

726
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 3: because when you think, like that it actually makes the

727
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 3: guy next to you feel a little bit more like

728
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:56,839
Speaker 3: he can think, like that and soon one. So forth

729
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 3: it's that's what happens inside of the, team environment when

730
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 3: when a critical few start thinking in a, certain way

731
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 3: the others.

732
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 1: Come along BECAUSE when, I know i don't know whether

733
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 1: the viewers, know this but TWO things i, know, about

734
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:13,239
Speaker 1: well there's TWO people i know one thing they both have,

735
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:17,360
Speaker 1: in common and that's You And trent robinson that most

736
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:21,439
Speaker 1: people who don't know you don't realize that you're both

737
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:24,359
Speaker 1: sort of quite what's?

738
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 2: The word this will? Be, INTERESTING well I know i

739
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 2: find both of you very similar in.

740
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 1: One aspect obviously know rob are better, than you but

741
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 1: like in, one aspect there is a common denominator between

742
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 1: the two, of you which is.

743
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:38,719
Speaker 2: Probably one of the reasons you get both get on.

744
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 1: So well is you're both, very thoughtful quite pensive, about

745
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:45,280
Speaker 1: Things like i'll probably take you to the next level intellectual.

746
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:49,400
Speaker 1: About stuff you even get a little bit weird in

747
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 1: the way you intellectually. INTELLECTUALIZE things i can't imagine what

748
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 1: yours and his conversations. ARE like, I mean i Speak

749
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 1: to Robert fair bit and, he's like even when we

750
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:02,280
Speaker 1: were in, Jiu jitsu robo will be asking. Our coach

751
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 1: our coach is trying to show us, a Drill but

752
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:09,360
Speaker 1: robbo wants, to, know okay but once we do, that

753
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 1: drill what's the reason? For that Is the mark's going

754
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 1: to grab me on the leg or is he going to?

755
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 1: Do Something and robber wants to go right through to the,

756
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:19,760
Speaker 1: very end he wants to know every, single step what's

757
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,360
Speaker 1: the relevance of that drill relative to, every step and

758
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:24,319
Speaker 1: what's every? Step MEAN until i get to the END

759
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 1: and i can, see him Even when i'm wrestling, WITH

760
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 1: him i can feel. HIM think i Actually feel robo

761
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:33,800
Speaker 1: thinking about what's going, on here like, you know WHAT

762
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 1: do i? Do This and he'll have thirty alternatives and

763
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:41,319
Speaker 1: they're both, very, similar WHICH as, i said birds of

764
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 1: a feather tender. Stick together so that, intellectualizing process not

765
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:48,320
Speaker 1: just by the way in terms, of footy but probably

766
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 1: everything you do in.

767
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:52,359
Speaker 2: YOUR life i class that is a little.

768
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 1: BIT weird i don't mean a bad, way way but

769
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 1: not normal sort. Of thing it's sort of like nearly. Geeky,

770
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:08,319
Speaker 1: like whereas but whereas your reputation was check is a,

771
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:10,799
Speaker 1: tough bastard says what, he thinks and if you don't

772
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 1: do what, he says, you know like you're going to

773
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 1: ram it down their throat top of thing reputation back

774
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 1: in two, The fifteen whereas, actual fact You and robo are.

775
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 1: Very similar you think a lot, about stuff you really do,

776
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 1: the research but a part of that you think it through.

777
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:27,320
Speaker 3: Every, MOVE well i think as a coach, in particular

778
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 3: if you're organized, that way you do need to think

779
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:36,839
Speaker 3: it right the way through because you're catering for all

780
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 3: the players and how they might see, the game not

781
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 3: just one. Or two so some might see just what's

782
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:44,759
Speaker 3: happening in front of them and just, play that and

783
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 3: some are Playing, out OKAY if i, do this how

784
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:48,880
Speaker 3: is that going to? Pan out? Down THERE and i

785
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 3: think you've got to be able to see that chain

786
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:52,839
Speaker 3: of events unfold no matter what. It is even if

787
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 3: you're watching, A movie i'm always wanting to know what's

788
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:56,840
Speaker 3: happening at the end before it. Even starts supposed to

789
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 3: sit through it, or predicting trying, to predict oh this

790
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:00,400
Speaker 3: what's going?

791
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 2: To be it's by. Playing CHESS well.

792
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:04,319
Speaker 3: I should have played MORE because i have never, really

793
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:08,720
Speaker 3: played to. Be, honest yeah thinking about the, MOVES ahead

794
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 3: i suppose in. That way and it's also from A like,

795
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 3: i said from a catering point of view to all,

796
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:17,239
Speaker 3: the players because they all have a different way of

797
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:21,799
Speaker 3: looking at. The game they'll ask, different questions so you

798
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:26,920
Speaker 3: can help. Articulate ideas you have strategies that you want to,

799
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:29,799
Speaker 3: bring in or a technical element that you're trying to

800
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:32,360
Speaker 3: help that player to see, because often especially when it

801
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:36,279
Speaker 3: comes to, contact area a lot of players it's hard

802
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 3: for them to see because of the different, Appropriate reception

803
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 3: like you can't see your body always when it's in

804
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 3: a low position and it's in a contact and you don't,

805
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:45,799
Speaker 3: feel it like sometimes you think, you're high, you're low

806
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 3: but you're actually.

807
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:48,239
Speaker 2: High yourself.

808
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 3: That's RIGHT and i think that if you can see

809
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:53,759
Speaker 3: the knock on effects of those things and how they'll

810
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:55,799
Speaker 3: play out of, the end you're able to explain more

811
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:58,840
Speaker 3: things to a wider group. Of people because mark anytime

812
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 3: you're up there talking to the lad so say you

813
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:04,399
Speaker 3: got thirty in your squad or thirty, five whatever there's

814
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 3: probably ten eight to ten different ways of interpreting what.

815
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 3: You're saying people are interpreting it in. SMALL groups i

816
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 3: wouldn't say everyone's different in, that way but they could

817
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 3: be thinking about. It differently so you've got to try

818
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:20,239
Speaker 3: and cater. For everyone and you can almost see it

819
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 3: when you look in their eyes or how when you're talking,

820
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 3: to them if you've got them or if you haven't

821
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:26,719
Speaker 3: got them at that any. GIVEN time i think as

822
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 3: far as the other, BITS concerned i don't do myself

823
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 3: any favors Sometimes and i'm on the. Coach's Box but

824
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:34,920
Speaker 3: i'm the type of person who likes to get. It

825
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 3: Out but i'm always thinking or even SOMETIMES if i,

826
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 3: do it it's CALCULATED because i WANT to i want A,

827
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 3: CERTAIN yeah i want a certain outcome for people who

828
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 3: are looking. OR people i won't say every, time yeah because.

829
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 3: It is you put a lot, into it and you've

830
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 3: got to keep a table on. Your emotions, but yeah

831
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 3: sometimes it's strategized.

832
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 1: Because and it's interesting you just said that that you

833
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:02,880
Speaker 1: might have a team of fifteen or at results, on

834
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:04,280
Speaker 1: whatever but just say the fifteen.

835
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:08,840
Speaker 2: Of that you might have five groups of three.

836
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:12,800
Speaker 1: Just to make it easy who interpret whatever you're saying

837
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:17,319
Speaker 1: differently based on how they think them. As individuals so

838
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 1: you've sort of nearly got to be a psychologist in

839
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 1: some respects because you really need to have. Everybody profiled

840
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:27,400
Speaker 1: you need to profile each person as to how he receives.

841
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 3: Your message definitely that is, so important and you know

842
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 3: you try to get and even asking the. RIGHT questions

843
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:38,880
Speaker 3: i coached a Fellow in france who was an, international player, great,

844
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 3: player right but at training he wasn't the greatest trainer of,

845
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 3: All time and often when we were doing, closed drills

846
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:49,920
Speaker 3: so things that wasn't open, field playing it was more

847
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 3: designed towards the technical part of the game or to

848
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 3: have a certain outcome in. This, scenario now often when

849
00:42:56,080 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 3: we use those you map out the field with and

850
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 3: you get yourself. Sorted, OUT well i could never work

851
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:06,360
Speaker 3: out why he was never quite at the level that he.

852
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:08,879
Speaker 3: Should be SO finally i asked the, right QUESTION which

853
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:11,759
Speaker 3: i should have asked. Months before what's going? On? Here

854
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 3: mate how come color blind? Con wear the colors of

855
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 3: the cones never? Told me so that it can be.

856
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:22,239
Speaker 3: THAT simple i think you just need. To know you

857
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 3: need to ask as many questions as possible and get

858
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:28,839
Speaker 3: to know the guys in. Different ways and you could

859
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 3: profile without doing it in a formal format, as well

860
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 3: in a non insulting form exactly because you. Can't look they,

861
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 3: can't think oh he's. Profiling ME but i think there's

862
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:41,759
Speaker 3: some times. You can you can say we want to

863
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 3: want to get into character a little. Bit more as

864
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 3: long as you're explaining to fellows what you're, up to,

865
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 3: YOU know, i think and you're transparent on. That front

866
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 3: and then there's other times where you can, do it

867
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 3: and then you have to be able to make sure

868
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:56,400
Speaker 3: that you're keeping the continuity of notes because. People change,

869
00:43:56,920 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 3: people change they, get older, you know it's, quite normal

870
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 3: they get. More, EXPERIENCE yeah i think most, players do

871
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:07,440
Speaker 3: and they that you've got to map those changes so

872
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 3: you don't pigeonhole one person as like this now and, you,

873
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 3: know oh they'll always be, like that because that's not.

874
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 1: The case so he said something very INTERESTING which i

875
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:21,320
Speaker 1: wouldn't mind. Exploring it but as, a coach. IT'S funny

876
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:23,920
Speaker 1: I was i've never thought about, this before but basically

877
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:26,399
Speaker 1: what you're just saying is made me think about it as.

878
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 1: A coach i always just assumed as about the coach telling,

879
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 1: the players but you're saying to me as a coach

880
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:35,400
Speaker 1: is probably equally important as to. Asking players so, you

881
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 1: know asking them asking you asking the. Right questions you

882
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 1: asking them the right questions as opposed to encouraging them

883
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 1: to ask you the right questions so you can deliver

884
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:47,239
Speaker 1: the answers to their to.

885
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 2: THE questions, i mean how do you how do you

886
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:49,920
Speaker 2: work out the blend of?

887
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 3: That, stuff, well again it depends on the level that

888
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 3: you're coaching out as well when you're at the international

889
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:59,799
Speaker 3: level In. Coaching, australia yeah, those players they don't they're

890
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 3: better PLAYERS than i ever would. Have, been like they

891
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 3: don't need me to tell them how to. Play footy

892
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:05,919
Speaker 3: they've got most of the answers inside of their. Own

893
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 3: head it's just like. Business coaching it's, the same, you

894
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:12,239
Speaker 3: know it's about getting the person to find the, solutions

895
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:15,279
Speaker 3: themselves guided through the framework that we have as. A

896
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:17,719
Speaker 3: team because that's what you're doing as. A cach you're

897
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 3: putting those you're putting all those different talents together to make.

898
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 3: A team the individual development of, those players especially at,

899
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:27,799
Speaker 3: that level it's really been done and being done at

900
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 3: their club Teams In, super rugby in rugby or if

901
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 3: it's With the kangaroos Or in origin in their rugby

902
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 3: league teams that they're playing for during. The WEEK so

903
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 3: i think, that yes you can help develop that a

904
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:42,759
Speaker 3: little bit if there's things they want to work on.

905
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:45,760
Speaker 3: Longer term but the times you've got them, in camp

906
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:49,040
Speaker 3: but there's not a real lot of a lot of moving.

907
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:51,759
Speaker 3: For that and, by rights when they're playing at the,

908
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:55,320
Speaker 3: international level that's where they are that's where they're playing against.

909
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 3: The best they're the best in. Their game so in, that,

910
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:00,319
Speaker 3: position yeah and so they should be hard that their

911
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 3: skills should be.

912
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:03,879
Speaker 1: Had already not a skill thing they need, from you

913
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 1: but You need but do they if they?

914
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:06,399
Speaker 3: Want?

915
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 2: It yes but do they ever ask?

916
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 3: For? It, Yeah, definitely yeah lots. Of players they players

917
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:16,359
Speaker 3: are quite attuned TO the i think it's about they

918
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 3: want to. Do it it's about their new helping them

919
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 3: give them the correct framework for what they want to.

920
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 3: Work on because if you're looking to improve, a skill a,

921
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:30,759
Speaker 3: certain skill it might need small, reps daily a bit

922
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 3: of a, technical fix and then small reps on that

923
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:37,360
Speaker 3: technical fix daily on, training days just a short amount

924
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:38,719
Speaker 3: of time all the way through the year and just

925
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 3: see the. Incremental gain and but focus that they're improving

926
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 3: that technical part of. Their game don't you say practice

927
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 3: and not follow up on the quality of, the practice

928
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:50,239
Speaker 3: because there's no point of practicing the wrong thing?

929
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:52,840
Speaker 1: Is there but and is An, objective michael for you

930
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:54,759
Speaker 1: to sit there be and be the observer to them

931
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:56,799
Speaker 1: and feed. Them back so because, They listen i've been

932
00:46:56,800 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 1: watching practice made, but blah just what you're? Not doing

933
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:02,360
Speaker 1: this is when you're doing, this well but maybe you

934
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 1: can just a little bit of edge on because they can't,

935
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 1: see themselves.

936
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:08,239
Speaker 3: That's right or hear what they're how they think, it's

937
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:11,280
Speaker 3: going because their perception of how it's going is often

938
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:15,800
Speaker 3: different to what's. Actually, happening yeah totally, know that especially

939
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 3: if you depending on your mindset at. That time, you

940
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:19,920
Speaker 3: know and you've got to Think about i've always got

941
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:21,839
Speaker 3: to pay attention. To results so what's?

942
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 1: The?

943
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:25,399
Speaker 3: OUTCOME right i think that's the last step of that

944
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 3: for the for. The person but if there it might

945
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:31,400
Speaker 3: be something, in kicking could be in passing, and tackling

946
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:33,600
Speaker 3: or you could be looking to get just an immediate

947
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 3: turnaround and that can be just a technical fix of.

948
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 3: The player, you know the penny drops for them and

949
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:44,240
Speaker 3: a change is straight away and. That's it. That's done how's?

950
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:47,800
Speaker 1: Checker evolved what's the difference between checking today and? Twenty

951
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:49,839
Speaker 1: five it's actually, Ten years so what's.

952
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:52,920
Speaker 3: The, DIFFERENCE look i think If you're i'm, always learning,

953
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:56,279
Speaker 3: you know from the very start of either playing to

954
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 3: coaching and then all the way through whether it was

955
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 3: you KNOW what i learn's along the way at lengths

956
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:03,360
Speaker 3: that took me into The war ATARS what i, learned

957
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 3: there and you've always got your your doubts and. Your fears.

958
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 3: You know EVEN when i Was, AT waratars I thought

959
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:14,799
Speaker 3: i Win One european Cup in Ireland in europe and

960
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:18,480
Speaker 3: we came to A super RUGBY and I was i had,

961
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:20,360
Speaker 3: my doubts like will with the style of Footy that

962
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:22,839
Speaker 3: i'm preparing work In The. SOUTHERN hemisphere i hadn't coached.

963
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 3: It before THAT'S why i particularly targeted a Guy Like

964
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 3: dale gibson who'd been Coaching. At crusaders so he gave

965
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 3: me that sort of bouncy sounding board, to, say, okay

966
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 3: yeah this will this, is okay this will. Work out

967
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 3: you can continually articulate your IDEAS and i think as you,

968
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 3: go ALONG like i never expected even to Be. Coaching

969
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 3: australia then you know at the time when, it happens

970
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 3: it did happen quite quickly and. By surprise so. You

971
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 3: do you learn your way through and you learn. New

972
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 3: things the, game's changing the players, are CHANGING and i

973
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:54,319
Speaker 3: should change, as well, not change evolve and learn, new

974
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:56,960
Speaker 3: things but still have the same PRINCIPLES that i think

975
00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:00,360
Speaker 3: are important to, the game because they're not things that

976
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:02,400
Speaker 3: you're going, to change and it's about how you then

977
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:06,399
Speaker 3: Integrate THOSE whether i WAS doing I suppose i used

978
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 3: a lot of different TECHNIQUES when i Was. WITH argentina

979
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:12,359
Speaker 3: i took a look, at culturally, you know what would

980
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 3: suit them best as far as, their culture like The

981
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:18,600
Speaker 3: more latin, style culture AND what i could bring as

982
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:21,120
Speaker 3: a coach and what they needed from me as. A

983
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:25,400
Speaker 3: coach was it More An anglo saxon mindset, around. Organization

984
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:27,840
Speaker 3: etc or is it MORE which i can flick between

985
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:29,840
Speaker 3: the two obviously because of, my HERITAGE and i think

986
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 3: that evolution is for me has been more a learning

987
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:36,600
Speaker 3: process along the way of, different things not just inside,

988
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 3: of rugby, around psychology, you know around, business management things

989
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:43,400
Speaker 3: that you can learn that the tools that you can

990
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:45,399
Speaker 3: then go and apply back, To football how you deal,

991
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 3: with people how you deal with the, management above, you

992
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:51,120
Speaker 3: know all those types OF things i think that you

993
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:53,759
Speaker 3: want to do as, a person, you know in order

994
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 3: to achieve, the challenges whether it's a business challenge or

995
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:59,319
Speaker 3: a sporting one in. This instance. You know so, for

996
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 3: me it's not about EVOLVING so i can do. Something

997
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 3: else it's about making sure you keep learning, new things keep.

998
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:09,920
Speaker 3: Getting better that's really important to me. Keep IMPROVING and

999
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 3: i know it's not a direct any. A line, you

1000
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:16,719
Speaker 3: know it's not from here. To there i'm going to keep.

1001
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 3: Going up that there's ups, and downs and how you

1002
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 3: recover from, those Downs which i've always been really good

1003
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:24,840
Speaker 3: at and then try to turn those negatives into positives

1004
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 3: and get something. From THEM so i think it just

1005
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 3: comes also with. Experience too, you know you've had so

1006
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 3: many experiences that you've seen so many, things before and

1007
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:34,880
Speaker 3: you're always trying. To modify HOW can i do? That

1008
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:37,359
Speaker 3: better WHAT would i have done in this SITUATION if

1009
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:39,399
Speaker 3: i had a chance to hit, It again because those

1010
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 3: situations will come again no matter who, you're coaching and

1011
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:45,520
Speaker 3: that's when you've got to act, on that otherwise the

1012
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 3: previous experience.

1013
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:48,759
Speaker 1: Is worthless it's funny because that sort of takes it

1014
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:50,440
Speaker 1: back to the very beginning when you're talking about your

1015
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:54,719
Speaker 1: dad AND if i could use the word bold as

1016
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 1: a part of that as an adjective to, describe him

1017
00:50:57,120 --> 00:50:59,400
Speaker 1: like he was bold in, other words he would just

1018
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:02,399
Speaker 1: take things on and no, matter what even when he wasn't.

1019
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 1: Physically well, bold attitude like just Coming, to australia like

1020
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:09,960
Speaker 1: in itself is a pretty bold attitude arriving here with

1021
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:13,280
Speaker 1: probably not very, much money nowhere, to go and it sort.

1022
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:14,960
Speaker 2: Of seems like you're a bit of a reflection of

1023
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:15,279
Speaker 2: that in.

1024
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:20,960
Speaker 1: Some respects and you've, you know you've coached, Your country

1025
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:25,799
Speaker 1: you've coached. Your state You've coached ramwick like you know

1026
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:29,800
Speaker 1: at a, top level, you know, top level first grade.

1027
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:32,239
Speaker 2: Like environment you've coached As Cis. Rabia league You've.

1028
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:36,239
Speaker 1: Coached lebanon you've Coached, in ireland you're currently Coaching. In

1029
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:39,800
Speaker 1: england you've Coached in france Like you've you've Coached everywhere

1030
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:43,759
Speaker 1: you've gone and just done all these, weird things and

1031
00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:46,480
Speaker 1: you know those experiences are really important. To you one

1032
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:48,600
Speaker 1: of THE experiences i wanted to ask you about which

1033
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:51,480
Speaker 1: not many people know, about this but can you take

1034
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:54,040
Speaker 1: me back to when you Worked For college dinnigan Or With,

1035
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:58,359
Speaker 1: college dinnigan because here's, a bloke here's a, footy head

1036
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:01,640
Speaker 1: but was in in the, fashion industry and talk.

1037
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:04,799
Speaker 2: About bold that's right, out there talk.

1038
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:07,719
Speaker 3: About IT but I think i've always liked to. HAVE

1039
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:10,720
Speaker 3: that i think MAYBE when i, WAS younger I didn't

1040
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:13,600
Speaker 3: i couldn't. Articulate it in, this way but. About balance

1041
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:18,319
Speaker 3: you so often now when, you, go okay we've got

1042
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:20,719
Speaker 3: to be obsessed, about winning which you do if you're going,

1043
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:21,879
Speaker 3: to win if you're going to be in the five

1044
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:23,680
Speaker 3: percent or, seven percent you've got to. Be obsessed you

1045
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:25,279
Speaker 3: want to, Be good you've got to. Be obsessed so

1046
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:27,960
Speaker 3: if there's, the scales you tip the scales down there.

1047
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:29,960
Speaker 3: Of obsession but you want to, have balance which, is

1048
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 3: important so that instead of just being less obsessed to

1049
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:36,440
Speaker 3: keep the scale. More balanced i'd rather do things that

1050
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:39,080
Speaker 3: are totally off kilter To what i'm doing on the

1051
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:41,440
Speaker 3: other side of it to bring the. Balance Back and

1052
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:44,440
Speaker 3: i've always tried to, do that whether it's do some

1053
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:47,360
Speaker 3: crazy Course and i'm absolutely not qualified, to do or

1054
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:50,759
Speaker 3: get a Job that i've not qualified, to do and

1055
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:53,719
Speaker 3: led into having. A business so basically what Happened was

1056
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:58,720
Speaker 3: i'd been, playing overseas so like we're talking, ABOUT before

1057
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:01,160
Speaker 3: i learned speak the land which is, over there AND

1058
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:03,279
Speaker 3: then i came home, MID nineties I decided i was

1059
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:06,600
Speaker 3: going to have some time Back in, australia permanently and

1060
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:09,799
Speaker 3: the game started. Going pro there was That Whole World

1061
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:12,319
Speaker 3: rugby corporation THING and i was involved in that that,

1062
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:14,640
Speaker 3: never HAPPENED and i went back to the establishment and

1063
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:17,640
Speaker 3: players started. Getting PAID and i had the opportunity to

1064
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:20,000
Speaker 3: go into pro, rugby THEN and i FIGURED that. I

1065
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:22,680
Speaker 3: would i didn't really. WANT to i liked the idea

1066
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 3: of having the opportunity to still. Possibly TRAVEL so i

1067
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 3: needed to get, a, job right that. Was IT and

1068
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:33,440
Speaker 3: i hadn't really worked, a lot to, be, honest, school yeah,

1069
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:35,600
Speaker 3: you know playing footy and doing a few bits. And

1070
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:37,520
Speaker 3: pieces and my cousins had a couple of shops Up

1071
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:42,400
Speaker 3: in paddington and. Fashion STORES and i saw The job atison.

1072
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:44,200
Speaker 3: THE day i used to look in, the, newspaper right

1073
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:47,640
Speaker 3: and they wanted a. Business manager And hopefully collein is

1074
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:50,239
Speaker 3: not watching so he won't, find Out but i'm sure.

1075
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:53,879
Speaker 3: SHE knows i. SORT of i had the languages which,

1076
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:56,880
Speaker 3: he wanted and embellished, the rest, you know IN my

1077
00:53:56,960 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 3: cv as many a person has done. The job and

1078
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:03,440
Speaker 3: it worked. Out perfectly, you know she was brilliant to.

1079
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:06,319
Speaker 3: WORK with i. Spent there we were like a rep,

1080
00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:09,759
Speaker 3: resist manager like sort of ran the staff or what

1081
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 3: you have to?

1082
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:11,480
Speaker 2: What's up where'd you?

1083
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:11,520
Speaker 1: Go?

1084
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:14,600
Speaker 3: To? Russia russia that was a different story rate Going.

1085
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:15,440
Speaker 3: To russia it wasn't With.

1086
00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:18,400
Speaker 1: Colin RUSSIA and i don't want to, stitch up but

1087
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:21,320
Speaker 1: someone has briefed me on, this stuff.

1088
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:25,000
Speaker 3: SO well i had those experiences, back then by, the

1089
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:28,000
Speaker 3: way ninety one it was that was, even before just

1090
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:30,719
Speaker 3: straight after she. Was before It was gorbatrov just coming

1091
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:34,400
Speaker 3: In the soviet well without jumping all over. THE place

1092
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:40,120
Speaker 3: i was playing Foot, in FRANCE and i was Playing

1093
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:43,000
Speaker 3: in paris at, the Time if i'm, Not wrong and

1094
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:46,520
Speaker 3: my cousin who was, living there Knew this american lady

1095
00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:48,719
Speaker 3: who was selling software back in, the time and for

1096
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:52,600
Speaker 3: some reason they didn't. Want that they she was going

1097
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:56,120
Speaker 3: to sell to A big russian industrial we were they

1098
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:58,799
Speaker 3: wouldn't send, a, tech right and so they said she

1099
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:00,840
Speaker 3: could take it a local TECH and i, Don't know,

1100
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:03,040
Speaker 3: they said do you want To. COME russia i had

1101
00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:06,160
Speaker 3: no idea about. Computers WHATSOEVER so i basically got a

1102
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:09,040
Speaker 3: glossary of, computer terms learned as many WORDS as, i

1103
00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:11,680
Speaker 3: could and then went there. With her and it. Was

1104
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:15,200
Speaker 3: amazing it was. Genuinely amazing so we Went to, MOSCOW

1105
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:18,120
Speaker 3: first i won't go through all the hassles we got get,

1106
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:19,560
Speaker 3: in there And then we went to a place Called,

1107
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:23,720
Speaker 3: your kettrenberg which was spurred lost IN, the USSR where

1108
00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 3: I Think boris yeltsen. Was from originally it's where they

1109
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:32,440
Speaker 3: killed the czar in. Rushing, industry, yeah so and they

1110
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:36,440
Speaker 3: was she was selling to these people THERE and i

1111
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:42,399
Speaker 3: went into a room with fifty computer PROGRAMMERS and i had,

1112
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:44,960
Speaker 3: no IDEA like i had, an interpreter. Thank god it

1113
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:47,480
Speaker 3: was very. Mixed up but they didn't care BECAUSE all

1114
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:49,319
Speaker 3: i wanted to know was what was going on in.

1115
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:52,040
Speaker 3: The west that Was IT like i was the first

1116
00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:55,839
Speaker 3: person they'd ever spoken to from Outside. Of russia it

1117
00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:59,120
Speaker 3: was like this DURING. The ussr it was just Out,

1118
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:04,319
Speaker 3: after perastroker so there was a lot of poverty there

1119
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:06,960
Speaker 3: obviously at. That time That was it was quite sad

1120
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:10,280
Speaker 3: and that, that part but it was it. Was crazy

1121
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:12,840
Speaker 3: we had such a great time just sitting around talking

1122
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:15,680
Speaker 3: about what was the questions they. Asked me they gave

1123
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:18,839
Speaker 3: me giftsmatgish from there and then it was. Pretty fun

1124
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:21,840
Speaker 3: like that night they did the deal and of course

1125
00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:25,359
Speaker 3: back to the dasher and drink the vodka and eat

1126
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:27,319
Speaker 3: like and the girl who was running the show she,

1127
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:30,440
Speaker 3: passed Out so i'd stay there with these guys up

1128
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:34,360
Speaker 3: until about four am, And, literally mark you would have

1129
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:38,080
Speaker 3: to take Your luggage foreigners, One way russians, the other

1130
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:40,839
Speaker 3: and you'd have to put your, own bag like your

1131
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:45,920
Speaker 3: your hold bag into the hole of the plane and

1132
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:48,760
Speaker 3: then just walk up the. Stairs there it was hectic

1133
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:51,840
Speaker 3: and it was such a, brilliant experience like to, go

1134
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:54,360
Speaker 3: there even though it was it had a few issues

1135
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:57,200
Speaker 3: at the time getting in and, getting out but to

1136
00:56:57,239 --> 00:56:59,320
Speaker 3: go there and have THESE and i think those experiences,

1137
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:02,840
Speaker 3: For me i've always liked to have a total different

1138
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:07,239
Speaker 3: life away, from rugby doing some, crazy things some other

1139
00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:09,399
Speaker 3: things of learning or whatever, it IS so i can

1140
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:12,680
Speaker 3: keep BALANCE because i can be quite obsessed about about

1141
00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:15,279
Speaker 3: trying to win or have my team be the best

1142
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:19,160
Speaker 3: that they. Possibly can and you've got to do some things.

1143
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:20,680
Speaker 3: LIKE that i think all. The time i've got to

1144
00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:21,800
Speaker 3: have that mentality to keep.

1145
00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:26,160
Speaker 1: Yourself balanced can you bring that richness of life into

1146
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:32,800
Speaker 1: the rugby inside and that winning that and help them

1147
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:38,920
Speaker 1: learn how to be winning a winning organization again and

1148
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:40,440
Speaker 1: bring the pride Back.

1149
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:43,640
Speaker 3: To, AUSTRALIA well i think the pride's. Always. THERE man

1150
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:47,520
Speaker 3: i understand people, want results but, you know ANY time

1151
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:49,840
Speaker 3: i see, them play, you know Even when i'm not

1152
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:52,560
Speaker 3: obviously not being the coach for many, Years now i'm

1153
00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:54,920
Speaker 3: very proud of. The colors, you know my kids are

1154
00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:57,400
Speaker 3: still proud Of. The colors and the, thing is when

1155
00:57:57,400 --> 00:58:00,840
Speaker 3: you Play, for australia you're not just playing for the.

1156
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:03,480
Speaker 3: Rugby fans you're playing. For everyone and that's a really

1157
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:08,800
Speaker 3: different that's a different feeling that the, different responsibility but

1158
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:11,360
Speaker 3: it's a responsibility should. Be ENJOYED and i think one

1159
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:15,120
Speaker 3: thing that we should be doing is having that belief

1160
00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:17,480
Speaker 3: in yourself because that comes with belief. IN yourself i

1161
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:20,479
Speaker 3: can do, DIFFERENT things i can be a different type

1162
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:23,200
Speaker 3: AND when i cross the, white line this Is what.

1163
00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:24,000
Speaker 3: I'm doing that comes to.

1164
00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:25,840
Speaker 2: You naturally how are YOU because, i mean look, at

1165
00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:28,200
Speaker 2: you you've gone. To rushold but how can you?

1166
00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:31,480
Speaker 3: Bring that Create young you create the environment that lets them.

1167
00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:34,000
Speaker 3: Do that, you know they've got to be able to.

1168
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:35,880
Speaker 3: Do that let them do that while working on their

1169
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:38,960
Speaker 3: craft and being best at in their their in working

1170
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:41,840
Speaker 3: in their craft and their skills and having a mindset

1171
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:44,560
Speaker 3: working individually with players all. THE time i think that's.

1172
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:47,800
Speaker 3: Really important letting them have an individual and having the

1173
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:50,480
Speaker 3: time to, do, That mate because one thing is really.

1174
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:53,280
Speaker 3: IT'S interesting i always say to the Guys where i'm,

1175
00:58:53,320 --> 00:58:55,680
Speaker 3: at NOW if i just SPEND if i want to

1176
00:58:55,720 --> 00:58:57,840
Speaker 3: talk to you for, five minutes all of you each

1177
00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:00,000
Speaker 3: for five minutes, after train which is not a, long

1178
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:02,120
Speaker 3: conversation it's going to take me three and a half

1179
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:06,080
Speaker 3: hours because how many are in. The squad so the

1180
00:59:06,120 --> 00:59:08,440
Speaker 3: time that you take and the ability to pay that

1181
00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:11,160
Speaker 3: individual attention because that's the. Next level there's there's the,

1182
00:59:11,160 --> 00:59:14,800
Speaker 3: footy coaching and there's that next level of bringing people

1183
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:19,960
Speaker 3: out so they can be, better person, better, player happy

1184
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:23,480
Speaker 3: enjoy the responsibility because it is it's high stakes when

1185
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:25,480
Speaker 3: you get out of that's the joy of. Test footy

1186
00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:28,440
Speaker 3: it's high stakes and you want to enjoy that experience

1187
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:31,640
Speaker 3: even though there's, you know they. SAY pressure i don't think.

1188
00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:33,760
Speaker 3: It is it's just, you know there's there's lots on

1189
00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:36,280
Speaker 3: the line and you've got to enjoy. That experience and.

1190
00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:38,360
Speaker 1: It did and there's my final, question too is a,

1191
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:41,440
Speaker 1: bit CHEEKY though i did fill war disclosed to you

1192
00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:43,360
Speaker 1: whether or not they're Talking to nathan clearly to bring

1193
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:44,240
Speaker 1: him over to play for.

1194
00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:47,120
Speaker 3: The world about that, one mate there was. No disclosure what's?

1195
00:59:47,120 --> 00:59:49,960
Speaker 3: THAT disclosure i think there's a lot like as you,

1196
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:52,240
Speaker 3: can see there's the games as far away as they

1197
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:55,120
Speaker 3: might be in a lot, of areas they're very close.

1198
00:59:55,160 --> 00:59:58,560
Speaker 3: In others, You know i've been seeing Many Players Marika

1199
00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:02,280
Speaker 3: corobetti israel For our there's been sa many. Different players

1200
01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:05,240
Speaker 3: you've come, And Gone Sonny, bill williams Lots Of. Ben

1201
01:00:05,320 --> 01:00:09,000
Speaker 3: teo there's there's there's, examples ever and, you know even

1202
01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:11,240
Speaker 3: look you Look At, sam burgess he. WENT there i

1203
01:00:11,320 --> 01:00:13,840
Speaker 3: think he was totally Mishandled by england when they had

1204
01:00:13,880 --> 01:00:15,880
Speaker 3: the opportunity. He was if he was given that, one

1205
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:18,560
Speaker 3: position blind, side flanker go and do what, you do

1206
01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:20,000
Speaker 3: he would have killed it. As well, you know he

1207
01:00:20,040 --> 01:00:22,240
Speaker 3: still did well in itself playving to play in a really.

1208
01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:25,200
Speaker 3: DIFFICULT position i think it's just about being able to.

1209
01:00:25,680 --> 01:00:27,280
Speaker 3: Do THAT and i think it's the same for rugby

1210
01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:29,040
Speaker 3: guys going the. Other way at, this point, you know,

1211
01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:31,120
Speaker 3: YOU look i Think there's MARK and I long i need.

1212
01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:34,080
Speaker 3: To ask he has been Playing, for Roosters the young

1213
01:00:34,120 --> 01:00:36,560
Speaker 3: five eights going up to play With, The TITANS so

1214
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:39,920
Speaker 3: i think that there's there's there's crossover, both ways and

1215
01:00:40,600 --> 01:00:44,280
Speaker 3: the difference will be that is always around. The mentality

1216
01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:46,400
Speaker 3: if you're if you've got the, good mentality you'd be

1217
01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:49,480
Speaker 3: able to play both. Quite easily the strong, that mentality

1218
01:00:49,560 --> 01:00:51,440
Speaker 3: like you talk about Players, Like Soney, bill williams, et

1219
01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:54,440
Speaker 3: cetera who have the ability that the mindset to succeed.

1220
01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:56,600
Speaker 3: IN both i think that that's something that's going to

1221
01:00:56,640 --> 01:00:59,640
Speaker 3: happen in, the future whether the different organizations like it,

1222
01:00:59,720 --> 01:01:01,800
Speaker 3: or NOT and i think that it'll be it'll be

1223
01:01:01,800 --> 01:01:03,440
Speaker 3: great when we see players crossing over.

1224
01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:06,000
Speaker 1: MORE often i have just one, more question and just

1225
01:01:06,080 --> 01:01:08,360
Speaker 1: as Regarding The, south africa.

1226
01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:11,280
Speaker 2: Just as an observation from your point, Of view i'd

1227
01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:11,720
Speaker 2: be interested to hear.

1228
01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:15,240
Speaker 1: The Answer south africa doesn't seem to be to me

1229
01:01:15,320 --> 01:01:18,000
Speaker 1: anyway today watching them doesn't seem to be the same

1230
01:01:18,040 --> 01:01:21,800
Speaker 1: spring box as we got in the mid nineties With

1231
01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:23,920
Speaker 1: The town straussers of. THE world i think he might

1232
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:25,520
Speaker 1: have been playing It for australia, that stage but like

1233
01:01:25,640 --> 01:01:27,800
Speaker 1: early on when he was captain and captain in The,

1234
01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:31,040
Speaker 1: spring box, that toughness that sort of, you know, LIKE

1235
01:01:31,720 --> 01:01:35,040
Speaker 1: literally I mean town told me that when he was,

1236
01:01:35,080 --> 01:01:39,920
Speaker 1: a kid he used father used to drive alongside a

1237
01:01:40,200 --> 01:01:41,720
Speaker 1: wilder bee small will to bees.

1238
01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:43,760
Speaker 2: And push him off and make him try and tackle it.

1239
01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:46,840
Speaker 1: From behind there's sort of stuff you See these, dagistani

1240
01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:49,960
Speaker 1: wrestlers their kids are. Wrestling bears i've seen it on

1241
01:01:50,040 --> 01:01:55,320
Speaker 1: videos like IN the ufc today that sort OF like i,

1242
01:01:55,360 --> 01:01:57,080
Speaker 1: DON'T know i don't know how to, explain it but

1243
01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:01,080
Speaker 1: it's sort of like a dual or die mentality That the.

1244
01:02:01,120 --> 01:02:04,160
Speaker 1: Springboks had it doesn't seem to exist today in so.

1245
01:02:04,360 --> 01:02:09,120
Speaker 3: Think across the border that it's not as there's because

1246
01:02:09,120 --> 01:02:11,640
Speaker 3: of the building of pathways to, come through like you

1247
01:02:11,640 --> 01:02:13,920
Speaker 3: can play as a young player here and go through go.

1248
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:17,400
Speaker 3: Through there all of that older school style of getting

1249
01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:21,320
Speaker 3: to the top maybe has disappeared a, Little BIT but

1250
01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:23,800
Speaker 3: i still think that those that do go down that

1251
01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:28,040
Speaker 3: road that still are they can parallel that with modern,

1252
01:02:28,080 --> 01:02:30,280
Speaker 3: day pathway. Et cetera they do that little, bit extra

1253
01:02:30,320 --> 01:02:32,760
Speaker 3: they get that little bit. Extra edge they'll always have

1254
01:02:32,800 --> 01:02:35,280
Speaker 3: the advantage because they'll be doing something that their opponents

1255
01:02:35,720 --> 01:02:39,439
Speaker 3: or their competition. Are DOING and i Think The south

1256
01:02:39,480 --> 01:02:41,800
Speaker 3: Africans have while they may have gone away, from that

1257
01:02:41,880 --> 01:02:44,000
Speaker 3: what they've done is they've their play a pool is,

1258
01:02:44,160 --> 01:02:48,360
Speaker 3: hugely increased, you know as things have CHANGED since, aparti days.

1259
01:02:48,400 --> 01:02:52,840
Speaker 3: Et cetera and they've got vicious competition, for places and

1260
01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:57,000
Speaker 3: that can cause in itself the competition to be better

1261
01:02:57,040 --> 01:02:58,880
Speaker 3: and practice harder and do what you need. To do

1262
01:02:58,920 --> 01:03:02,640
Speaker 3: and that's why they're double world, champions now last Last

1263
01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:05,800
Speaker 3: Two World, world cups and their probably favorites to go

1264
01:03:06,040 --> 01:03:08,800
Speaker 3: into this one coming up as going for.

1265
01:03:08,840 --> 01:03:12,400
Speaker 1: A triple because sitting opposite me here in your chair

1266
01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:15,160
Speaker 1: about three, weeks ago three, WEEKS ago i had Drink

1267
01:03:15,200 --> 01:03:21,000
Speaker 1: as DUPLESSIS The Ufc south AFRICA And ufc middleweight champion of,

1268
01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:24,040
Speaker 1: the world and he has that THING that i was

1269
01:03:24,080 --> 01:03:27,080
Speaker 1: talking about in RELATIONS that i observed With town strauss

1270
01:03:27,080 --> 01:03:29,720
Speaker 1: back in, the nineties who was lucky enough to know

1271
01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:34,480
Speaker 1: he actually worked for one of, my BUSINESSES and I

1272
01:03:34,600 --> 01:03:37,520
Speaker 1: just i start observing and Thinking About south africa just

1273
01:03:37,560 --> 01:03:41,000
Speaker 1: doesn't seem to have. That Hardness and i'm always interested

1274
01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:44,160
Speaker 1: to know from people, like you because you strike me

1275
01:03:44,200 --> 01:03:47,520
Speaker 1: as a person who's a student of rugby union but

1276
01:03:48,040 --> 01:03:50,280
Speaker 1: you know in that you're always observing and always, watching

1277
01:03:50,320 --> 01:03:52,440
Speaker 1: it but you're also seem to be a student.

1278
01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:54,720
Speaker 2: Of rugby league probably, footies.

1279
01:03:54,320 --> 01:03:58,000
Speaker 1: Football as in soccer and all the other team sports

1280
01:03:58,040 --> 01:03:59,480
Speaker 1: probably maybe even other sports.

1281
01:03:59,520 --> 01:04:01,840
Speaker 2: Individuals boards is that a thing?

1282
01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:04,240
Speaker 1: For you is that like part of your obsession Is

1283
01:04:04,240 --> 01:04:08,600
Speaker 1: That michael CHECKER that i need, to, understand, learn observe

1284
01:04:08,760 --> 01:04:11,320
Speaker 1: be curious process without.

1285
01:04:11,360 --> 01:04:14,919
Speaker 3: A doubt, YOU know i was LAST week I spent

1286
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:18,320
Speaker 3: i was lucky enough To spend Thursday at silverston with

1287
01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:21,600
Speaker 3: McLaren and the. Testing day, you know they had the two.

1288
01:04:21,680 --> 01:04:24,280
Speaker 3: Cars out spent the whole day there. With them it,

1289
01:04:24,320 --> 01:04:26,280
Speaker 3: was incredible, you know and even just some of the

1290
01:04:26,280 --> 01:04:29,560
Speaker 3: way they communicate around the, pit wall the things that

1291
01:04:29,560 --> 01:04:32,240
Speaker 3: we could. Help us, YOU know i, feel like HOW

1292
01:04:32,280 --> 01:04:34,080
Speaker 3: can i have more impact on the game when, it's

1293
01:04:34,120 --> 01:04:37,720
Speaker 3: happening because sometimes you've got to try. And grow what

1294
01:04:37,800 --> 01:04:40,760
Speaker 3: type of influence you. Can have what's the communication method?

1295
01:04:40,800 --> 01:04:43,520
Speaker 3: We use because there's guys are listening to maybe twelve

1296
01:04:43,640 --> 01:04:45,680
Speaker 3: or fourteen audio channels at the. Same time they just

1297
01:04:45,720 --> 01:04:47,440
Speaker 3: dial in and dial out of what they need, to

1298
01:04:47,480 --> 01:04:50,640
Speaker 3: do and and they're talking about life, and death you

1299
01:04:50,720 --> 01:04:52,520
Speaker 3: KNOW what i, mean here like when they're driving at.

1300
01:04:52,560 --> 01:04:57,320
Speaker 3: That speed so the, chief engineers their communications are telling

1301
01:04:57,360 --> 01:05:03,760
Speaker 3: me that their communications a post race will get reviewed by,

1302
01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:06,800
Speaker 3: YOU know i think military or something, like that so

1303
01:05:06,880 --> 01:05:09,520
Speaker 3: that they can they've got a really clear process in

1304
01:05:09,560 --> 01:05:12,360
Speaker 3: how their. Communications going just to see, different sports how,

1305
01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:14,880
Speaker 3: they work what the things that we have that they

1306
01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:17,080
Speaker 3: don't and things that they do that, we don't and

1307
01:05:17,080 --> 01:05:19,840
Speaker 3: what could be taken across what community even just, For

1308
01:05:19,920 --> 01:05:21,880
Speaker 3: general it's amazing to see how some of the other

1309
01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:24,840
Speaker 3: sports Are that i've been lucky enough to go in,

1310
01:05:24,880 --> 01:05:28,320
Speaker 3: and see WHETHER it's nfl football or IN the uk

1311
01:05:28,560 --> 01:05:33,800
Speaker 3: or any of. Those things so many transferable processes or

1312
01:05:33,840 --> 01:05:35,439
Speaker 3: skills that we can use in our game.

1313
01:05:35,480 --> 01:05:38,960
Speaker 1: As well if there was a team sports person around the,

1314
01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:44,040
Speaker 1: world today my final question that you could sit down

1315
01:05:44,080 --> 01:05:45,640
Speaker 1: with and spend a couple of, hours with.

1316
01:05:45,680 --> 01:05:47,160
Speaker 3: Who would that be team?

1317
01:05:47,240 --> 01:05:50,200
Speaker 1: Sports, person yeah like a person playing in a team

1318
01:05:50,320 --> 01:05:52,520
Speaker 1: and it could be someone who's maybe recently retired or

1319
01:05:52,520 --> 01:05:53,000
Speaker 1: whatever the case it.

1320
01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:56,360
Speaker 3: Would be there's a. Few Guys obviously messi would be. Very,

1321
01:05:56,400 --> 01:06:01,439
Speaker 3: interesting yeah because of his long jay, for stuff longevity

1322
01:06:01,960 --> 01:06:04,280
Speaker 3: and also how if you look at The Last world cup,

1323
01:06:04,720 --> 01:06:08,240
Speaker 3: of football how the team played almost for him as

1324
01:06:08,280 --> 01:06:10,880
Speaker 3: well as for, the country and the influence that he

1325
01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:13,120
Speaker 3: has and the stories you hear. ABOUT him i have.

1326
01:06:13,240 --> 01:06:16,040
Speaker 3: Met him but the stories you hear about him as,

1327
01:06:16,080 --> 01:06:18,600
Speaker 3: a pro, YOU know i think you see a guy

1328
01:06:18,680 --> 01:06:21,200
Speaker 3: Now Like, tom brady, for example he's talking a lot

1329
01:06:21,240 --> 01:06:25,400
Speaker 3: more Right, about messi he's got a there's something different.

1330
01:06:25,440 --> 01:06:28,000
Speaker 3: About him, you know he's got a, real humility even

1331
01:06:28,080 --> 01:06:30,920
Speaker 3: though he's like one of. The biggest he's got a

1332
01:06:30,960 --> 01:06:37,360
Speaker 3: great balance in the way he's he's sporting career, has

1333
01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:39,280
Speaker 3: gone with the ups and, the downs and what, he's

1334
01:06:39,280 --> 01:06:42,480
Speaker 3: maintained how he's loved by, his country and the way

1335
01:06:42,560 --> 01:06:45,600
Speaker 3: he's affected. Other teammates i'd say if there was one right,

1336
01:06:45,640 --> 01:06:47,080
Speaker 3: now playing he'd probably be.

1337
01:06:47,120 --> 01:06:48,640
Speaker 2: The, GUY, YEAH messi i agree.

1338
01:06:48,680 --> 01:06:51,920
Speaker 1: WITH You I actually i don't know exactly, which YEAR

1339
01:06:51,920 --> 01:06:53,680
Speaker 1: but i remember see him In A world, cup final

1340
01:06:53,960 --> 01:06:57,080
Speaker 1: and it feels like it might have been in, two

1341
01:06:57,200 --> 01:06:59,360
Speaker 1: thousand like it might have Been.

1342
01:06:59,400 --> 01:07:03,920
Speaker 2: In rome not, a final but in the build up to.

1343
01:07:03,920 --> 01:07:05,320
Speaker 2: THE final i. Don't remember it's nearly twenty.

1344
01:07:05,360 --> 01:07:07,920
Speaker 1: Years Ago the sea's longevity is amazing, to me like

1345
01:07:08,080 --> 01:07:11,520
Speaker 1: how someone can last that long at. That level and

1346
01:07:12,360 --> 01:07:15,560
Speaker 1: it's not like he played. More recently it's not like

1347
01:07:15,600 --> 01:07:17,240
Speaker 1: he's been played the same as he did when he.

1348
01:07:17,320 --> 01:07:20,560
Speaker 1: Was younger he adapted his game to allowing him, to

1349
01:07:20,600 --> 01:07:22,920
Speaker 1: play to play at the, top level but not expecting

1350
01:07:23,000 --> 01:07:24,520
Speaker 1: himself to be the same as he. Always was in,

1351
01:07:24,520 --> 01:07:27,280
Speaker 1: other words, you know like your physicality sort of reduces

1352
01:07:27,320 --> 01:07:27,520
Speaker 1: as you.

1353
01:07:27,560 --> 01:07:30,040
Speaker 2: Get older things you. Can't do they's just things you

1354
01:07:30,080 --> 01:07:31,000
Speaker 2: can't do that you could do when.

1355
01:07:31,000 --> 01:07:33,160
Speaker 1: You're younger but he's sort of managed to work all

1356
01:07:33,160 --> 01:07:36,400
Speaker 1: that shit out and adapt his game but still be at.

1357
01:07:36,400 --> 01:07:40,000
Speaker 2: The top his mentality, Is amazing but.

1358
01:07:40,040 --> 01:07:42,760
Speaker 3: That's it it's about having the mentality, that you first,

1359
01:07:42,760 --> 01:07:45,240
Speaker 3: of all you can be, the best because that's the.

1360
01:07:45,280 --> 01:07:47,760
Speaker 3: First battle, You know i'll never be, the best there's

1361
01:07:47,760 --> 01:07:50,200
Speaker 3: too many good people players better, than, well no you

1362
01:07:50,200 --> 01:07:52,600
Speaker 3: can be. The best then working out what's the plan

1363
01:07:52,640 --> 01:07:54,000
Speaker 3: for me to be the best and stick to it

1364
01:07:54,040 --> 01:07:56,400
Speaker 3: even when maybe you aren't the best and you won't

1365
01:07:56,400 --> 01:07:58,280
Speaker 3: be the best all. The time But then i'll come

1366
01:07:58,280 --> 01:08:01,160
Speaker 3: back and. Be there and, that mentality, that ambition IT

1367
01:08:01,240 --> 01:08:03,760
Speaker 3: drives I remember i became good friends and still Am

1368
01:08:03,800 --> 01:08:06,080
Speaker 3: with Alessandro del piero when he Played AT. Sydney fc

1369
01:08:06,600 --> 01:08:10,240
Speaker 3: that guy was like. Uber prepared he was he could

1370
01:08:10,240 --> 01:08:12,760
Speaker 3: have just come here and, cruised right but he had

1371
01:08:12,800 --> 01:08:15,680
Speaker 3: his own fitness man coach his own, you know the

1372
01:08:15,760 --> 01:08:18,320
Speaker 3: detail he went through with his, soccer review the review of.

1373
01:08:18,360 --> 01:08:21,840
Speaker 3: The games he was forty and still killing. It here,

1374
01:08:21,920 --> 01:08:24,920
Speaker 3: YOU know i think that that mentality of those those

1375
01:08:24,960 --> 01:08:26,880
Speaker 3: types of. Champion Players and i'm sure there's lots of

1376
01:08:26,880 --> 01:08:29,559
Speaker 3: them in, other sports. You know, YOU know i think

1377
01:08:30,320 --> 01:08:32,479
Speaker 3: even in the League, in union there's, there's, this guys.

1378
01:08:33,320 --> 01:08:36,479
Speaker 1: Don't sure evans is a, good. Example unbelievable. HIS preparation

1379
01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:41,759
Speaker 1: i hear stories about his preparation. Is Legendary James dedesca

1380
01:08:42,400 --> 01:08:46,479
Speaker 1: teddyke is a great measure, Of everything like he's he

1381
01:08:46,600 --> 01:08:48,960
Speaker 1: knows how well, He slept he knows what his deep,

1382
01:08:48,960 --> 01:08:50,800
Speaker 1: sleep was he knows who his ram, sleep WAS and,

1383
01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:54,280
Speaker 1: i before. Et cetera he knows his recovery rates as

1384
01:08:54,320 --> 01:08:58,799
Speaker 1: a percentage of his normal process down to. Mathematical stuff

1385
01:08:59,280 --> 01:09:00,840
Speaker 1: AND and i think that's.

1386
01:09:00,920 --> 01:09:02,200
Speaker 2: THEIR longevity i think.

1387
01:09:02,240 --> 01:09:04,599
Speaker 3: It is and it's also not just. About longevity it's

1388
01:09:04,640 --> 01:09:06,360
Speaker 3: part of why they got to the very very top

1389
01:09:06,360 --> 01:09:08,920
Speaker 3: in the, first place because. They're able they probably didn't

1390
01:09:08,960 --> 01:09:11,840
Speaker 3: know those things at, the start but they learned those

1391
01:09:11,880 --> 01:09:14,519
Speaker 3: things along. The way they took them with them and

1392
01:09:14,960 --> 01:09:18,320
Speaker 3: kept them. Going on, YOU know i think that's that's

1393
01:09:18,400 --> 01:09:22,200
Speaker 3: really important for all players to, understand that because they

1394
01:09:22,240 --> 01:09:25,880
Speaker 3: can be. The best one day everyone was playing third

1395
01:09:25,960 --> 01:09:28,080
Speaker 3: grade and then the next year they're playing. First grade for,

1396
01:09:28,120 --> 01:09:31,160
Speaker 3: some reason. It HAPPENS and i think that it starts

1397
01:09:31,200 --> 01:09:33,640
Speaker 3: with that seed of that mindset inside, of you, Not

1398
01:09:34,040 --> 01:09:37,200
Speaker 3: okay i've made, it now so Now i'll i'll do

1399
01:09:37,320 --> 01:09:39,240
Speaker 3: all the THINGS like messi was probably doing all of

1400
01:09:39,280 --> 01:09:43,439
Speaker 3: Those things i'd imagine from way. Back when to become

1401
01:09:43,479 --> 01:09:46,280
Speaker 3: the player he's become today and have the longevity that

1402
01:09:46,320 --> 01:09:47,479
Speaker 3: he's had in practice is.

1403
01:09:47,560 --> 01:09:49,720
Speaker 1: SO important I Remember nathan Cleary and ivan who was

1404
01:09:49,720 --> 01:09:52,960
Speaker 1: sitting here late this year or late late, LAST year i,

1405
01:09:52,960 --> 01:09:55,200
Speaker 1: should say After The, grand final the Week After, grand

1406
01:09:55,200 --> 01:10:00,519
Speaker 1: final saying How much nathan practices like he's practiced regime,

1407
01:10:01,200 --> 01:10:06,040
Speaker 1: after draining but neverone else is, going home is out of.

1408
01:10:06,040 --> 01:10:08,479
Speaker 2: This world like he just keeps kicking and keeps kicking and.

1409
01:10:08,560 --> 01:10:10,280
Speaker 1: Keeps In And andrew johns used to say the same

1410
01:10:10,280 --> 01:10:14,360
Speaker 1: thing about, his kicking, you know practicing banana kicks and

1411
01:10:14,360 --> 01:10:16,439
Speaker 1: all these unusual Kicks that joey used to be able.

1412
01:10:16,439 --> 01:10:19,680
Speaker 1: To DO and i think that's probably, YOU know i

1413
01:10:19,720 --> 01:10:22,000
Speaker 1: see the. Business too the best business people of people

1414
01:10:22,040 --> 01:10:23,639
Speaker 1: are practicing there all their stuff all.

1415
01:10:23,560 --> 01:10:25,240
Speaker 2: The time always, never stop.

1416
01:10:25,439 --> 01:10:27,800
Speaker 3: THAT'S right I remember nathan he came out. ONE day

1417
01:10:27,800 --> 01:10:29,040
Speaker 3: i asked him to come OUT when i Was. Coaching

1418
01:10:29,160 --> 01:10:31,280
Speaker 3: argentina he came and kicked with the lads. One day.

1419
01:10:31,320 --> 01:10:33,559
Speaker 3: YOU know i still over bottom, mailback Actually which i've

1420
01:10:33,600 --> 01:10:36,479
Speaker 3: got to send him somewhere along. The way he was

1421
01:10:36,600 --> 01:10:39,559
Speaker 3: just his knowledge of what he spake to the GUYS

1422
01:10:39,560 --> 01:10:41,240
Speaker 3: that i even spake to the guys In The. World

1423
01:10:41,280 --> 01:10:43,280
Speaker 3: cup they were still in. Twenty three they were still

1424
01:10:43,320 --> 01:10:46,640
Speaker 3: talking about. It now he that type. Of THING and

1425
01:10:46,640 --> 01:10:49,519
Speaker 3: i think that, those GUYS like, i Say Even, andrew

1426
01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:53,080
Speaker 3: johns who are creative types, as well all that crazy

1427
01:10:53,080 --> 01:10:55,800
Speaker 3: stuff that they do. They PRACTICE so I REMEMBER. Brian.

1428
01:10:55,800 --> 01:10:57,800
Speaker 3: A driscoll i've. COACHED him i was lucky enough to

1429
01:10:57,840 --> 01:11:00,919
Speaker 3: coach him for, many years and he was always practicing

1430
01:11:00,960 --> 01:11:03,760
Speaker 3: mad stuff, for training. You know and then one day

1431
01:11:03,760 --> 01:11:05,120
Speaker 3: he pulls it off in. A game he threw IT

1432
01:11:05,160 --> 01:11:07,200
Speaker 3: over i think they were on. The edge he threw

1433
01:11:07,200 --> 01:11:09,120
Speaker 3: it over the, winger's head ran around the back of

1434
01:11:09,160 --> 01:11:11,400
Speaker 3: him and then caught, it himself ran down. The silid

1435
01:11:11,479 --> 01:11:13,880
Speaker 3: but it Had Normally coach will, blow up what's he?

1436
01:11:13,960 --> 01:11:16,439
Speaker 3: Doing here but you saw him practicing those things. At

1437
01:11:16,439 --> 01:11:20,200
Speaker 3: training so once those things he believes he can, do

1438
01:11:20,240 --> 01:11:23,080
Speaker 3: it so the. Seed's sown then he practices how he,

1439
01:11:23,120 --> 01:11:24,800
Speaker 3: does it and then he goes out and, does it

1440
01:11:24,880 --> 01:11:27,400
Speaker 3: and if it succeeds, or fails it doesn't matter because

1441
01:11:27,760 --> 01:11:29,680
Speaker 3: he's been through the pray and that's what gives you

1442
01:11:29,720 --> 01:11:31,920
Speaker 3: the belief that things are going to go Well because i've,

1443
01:11:31,960 --> 01:11:33,720
Speaker 3: done it, YOU know, I mean i've, Prapped it i've.

1444
01:11:33,720 --> 01:11:34,880
Speaker 3: Done it i'm ready. To Go.

1445
01:11:35,760 --> 01:11:37,880
Speaker 2: MICHAEL scheker i wish you the.

1446
01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:40,640
Speaker 1: VERY best i know you're Off to lester that's IN

1447
01:11:40,680 --> 01:11:44,519
Speaker 1: the uk as Opposed to ireland to continue the finishing

1448
01:11:44,560 --> 01:11:49,160
Speaker 1: off your season for. Your CLUB and i really enjoyed.

1449
01:11:49,200 --> 01:11:51,840
Speaker 1: Our conversation like it's we got into the weeds. A

1450
01:11:51,880 --> 01:11:54,240
Speaker 1: bit hopefully everybody that wasn't too much, for you but

1451
01:11:54,360 --> 01:11:55,519
Speaker 1: we got in the weeds a, little BIT but i.

1452
01:11:55,560 --> 01:11:56,240
Speaker 2: Really enjoyed good on.

1453
01:11:56,280 --> 01:11:59,560
Speaker 3: You mate thanks my pressure