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Speaker 1: Is it fits in with her with kate Ki Podcast.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to a brand new podcast for Educate. Welcome ladies,

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Speaker 2: Hie and jemz Hi Hi. I'm I think I'm just

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Speaker 2: going to throw it straight over to you today, Lizzie

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Speaker 2: and tell us what we're being educated about what we're doing.

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Speaker 2: It has a Taylor swift skew. Thank goodness.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I was thinking after last week when we

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Speaker 1: were talking about the met Garla and fashion, why not

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Speaker 1: talk a bit about Taylor's fashion, especially considering as we've

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Speaker 1: just seen she's kicked off her ears to her again,

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Speaker 1: this time in Paris. Only last week or this week,

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Speaker 1: last week, I can't remember over the last seven days

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Speaker 1: of sequence, isn't it, And she's debuted basically a whole

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Speaker 1: new wardrobe for each era, so which is obviously really exciting.

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Speaker 1: I feel sad we didn't get to see these outfits

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Speaker 1: in the flesh, but.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's fun, isn't it, Because I think that

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Speaker 2: here in Australia there were people on the other side

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Speaker 2: of the world complaining that Australia got it really good,

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Speaker 2: and that there were certain songs that we got to

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Speaker 2: hear that other people didn't or things had been shifted aside.

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Speaker 1: Are going to be happy for another country?

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Speaker 2: Are you?

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Speaker 1: If you've missed out or something? Needs to put it

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Speaker 1: in perspective. If we got that, we wouldn't have got

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Speaker 1: what we got, which was amazing.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, but it makes sense for it to be a

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Speaker 2: little bit revamped. There is the brand new album, all

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Speaker 2: new costumes. I have to say, I'm a bit jealous

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Speaker 2: I didn't get to see. But let's think about Taylor here.

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Speaker 2: She's the one taking to the stage every night over

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Speaker 2: the course of what a twelve month period. I think

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Speaker 2: she's allowed to mix it up and keep it.

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Speaker 1: Keep it, keep it fresh, share it, educate, will allow. Yes.

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Speaker 1: Obviously we all saw that she's added a bit to

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Speaker 1: the set list, which is the Tortured Poets Department. How

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Speaker 1: do we all feel about that? First of all, can

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Speaker 1: I say something? Yeah? Okay? So on Instagram we had

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Speaker 1: some very smart swifties pick up that Taylor had posted

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Speaker 1: some rehearsal images and they saw that the background dancers

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Speaker 1: and singers were like top hats and had canes, and

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Speaker 1: they were like, there is no song on the years

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Speaker 1: knew that something was coming, and then we saw a

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Speaker 1: so they kind of knew that something was that. And

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Speaker 1: I feel like she did that to almost ease us

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Speaker 1: into it and soften the blow. Yes, I've been you know,

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Speaker 1: to I've done the US already, I've done Asia, I've

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Speaker 1: done Australia that there is going to be a difference.

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Speaker 1: And rather than us all find out when we're watching

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Speaker 1: the Paris live stream and freak out and be a

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Speaker 1: little bit mad about it, instead there was anticipation and

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Speaker 1: excitement will she do it or won't she? Like? What

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Speaker 1: are the hats and the canes? I love that. It's

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Speaker 1: actually I think she was concerned. I didn't think about

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Speaker 1: it like that. Yeah, I remember dming that to you

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Speaker 1: and we were like, no, I know. So it's you're

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Speaker 1: so right. It's better that we maybe knew a little

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Speaker 1: bit before. I think so, And I think I just

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Speaker 1: touched on this earlier. But for me, the Torture Poets

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Speaker 1: Department is still so new that with the songs that

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Speaker 1: she took out from the set, like she took the

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Speaker 1: one out. Remember we were saying, I really hope she

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Speaker 1: plays the one, it's my favorite song. If I hadn't

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Speaker 1: heard that and instead I heard So High School, which

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Speaker 1: is a song that is I like, but I don't

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Speaker 2: Things always work out the way we're meant to work out. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: wouldn't that be nice? I will ask? Then, do you

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Speaker 2: think that the next time she tours after a holiday

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Speaker 2: that she deserves, does that mean she might come back

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Speaker 2: to the countries she's already done, just to tour Tortured

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Speaker 1: because of how the world is.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Does that mean that the costumes that they would

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Speaker 1: You can gay me. Even the album Lover, she was

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Speaker 1: they think a lot of the microphone stands and the

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Speaker 1: Lover were meant for LoveFest. So we've kind of gotten.

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Speaker 1: the Ears to It because we never would have got

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Speaker 1: she puts them on. Yeah, but like to hear all

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Speaker 1: and another little easter egg for you. The song mirror

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Speaker 1: Ball on Folklore is about Love Afest being canceled part

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Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, now I didn't even know that, or I

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Speaker 1: But going back to her outfits, so the ones that

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Speaker 2: That is correct. That's the one legged one with the

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Speaker 1: But the Tortured Poets Department dress, which debut, which we've

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Speaker 1: riding down the side of I Love You, It's Ruining

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Speaker 1: interesting because I know that they have a costume team

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, and this is what I've kind of

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Speaker 1: The Cut called the Real Reason Taylor Swift dresses like that?

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Speaker 1: And it's kind of long been discussed and debated that

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Speaker 1: Taylor doesn't have the most sophisticated of styles, whether that's

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Speaker 1: on stage or off stage with her street style. Everyone's

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Speaker 1: entitled to their own opinion. What do you think, Well,

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Speaker 1: it's not my it's not for me personally love her,

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Speaker 1: you know, we all like different things. Wearing leggings and

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Speaker 1: Would be Yeah, I didn't get it either. Weird the

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Speaker 1: Taylor Swift. Theories here big time as to why Taylor

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Speaker 1: when you see like a Kim Kardashian who's wearing whatever

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Speaker 1: I think that is true with Taylor. It keeps the

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Speaker 1: an insight into what she wears. And it's definitely not

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Speaker 1: designer thing, no, and it's all very girl next door

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Speaker 2: Well, you can see yourself in her outfits, can't you,

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Speaker 2: because you well, firstly, a lot of people I don't

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Speaker 2: you see a photo of Taylor Swift and a lot

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Speaker 2: But also they can because it is. It isn't a

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Speaker 1: I love that. And she's consciously not trying to get

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's we got that whole thing. Sits in

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