1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:03,400 Speaker 1: And we know in Australia there is a skilled worker shortage. 2 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:06,040 Speaker 1: A lot of companies just can't get workers, no matter 3 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:09,280 Speaker 1: what it is, you know, whether office or admin or 4 00:00:09,720 --> 00:00:12,799 Speaker 1: on the floor doing things that require a little bit 5 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:15,680 Speaker 1: of specialization trying to find workers at the moment, and 6 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:18,040 Speaker 1: has been for the last few years, as you're very 7 00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:20,760 Speaker 1: well aware in terms of look at the housing industry 8 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 1: for instance, just so short of skilled workers. They're trained 9 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:28,479 Speaker 1: up people. So a lot of resorted to after failing 10 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 1: to find people locally and advertising and all the rest, 11 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:36,240 Speaker 1: resorting to bring in skilled workers from overseas. And that's 12 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:38,680 Speaker 1: a lengthy process. And I've just come to understand just 13 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 1: how lengthy in the last twenty four or so hours, 14 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 1: because there's a local company here that has jumped through 15 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:50,599 Speaker 1: hoops only to find a hurdle that you'd argue shouldn't 16 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 1: be there at the final step. Meantime, there's a family 17 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 1: that's packed and ready to go, waiting on approval here 18 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 1: in Australia to fly in from news healand one company 19 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 1: going through this process you'll know the name, long established 20 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:10,040 Speaker 1: in South Australia. Complete Windscreens Founding director Lindsey Dean on 21 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:11,200 Speaker 1: the line, Lindsey. 22 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 2: Good morning, Hi Matt here you are all right. 23 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 1: Thank you, Lindsey. Give us a little bit of a 24 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:18,600 Speaker 1: snapshot about the business. Obviously you need workers, it would 25 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 1: have a reasonable degree of skill in changing over wind 26 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 1: screens and fitting them in and all the rest. For sure. 27 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, Matt, we've been doing as I said 28 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 2: you in fifty years. We primarily we train up guys. 29 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 2: There's no established apprenticeship as such for the job. It's 30 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 2: on the job training and it's a lengthy process to 31 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 2: get people up to the necessary skill level. So finding 32 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 2: already practicing windscreen fitters with very hard with advertised and 33 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 2: all sorts of areas to get them to know a 34 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 2: vail interstate here whatever you know, and as you said 35 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 2: in you forward there in one can tell here in 36 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 2: Australia trying to get workers as just the hardest thing. 37 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 2: So yeah, we're in that foakmont all right. 38 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 1: So you've advertised, done all that. How have you found somebody? 39 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:13,520 Speaker 1: You do have somebody in mind, you've brought them over, 40 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 1: you've met them and perfect candidate. How did you find them? 41 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:17,520 Speaker 1: They're overseas at the. 42 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 2: Moment, for sure. Yeah, So we've went through all sorts 43 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:24,520 Speaker 2: of recruitment agencies which cost money and do a great job, 44 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 2: and we found he's actually a Malaysian man working and 45 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:35,640 Speaker 2: living in New Zealand in Wellington. He qualified windscreens fetter 46 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:39,640 Speaker 2: and was going to come to Australia for a job. 47 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 2: So we actually flew him over, put him up for 48 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:43,639 Speaker 2: a week, had to look at him, made sure he 49 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 2: was the right fit for our culture, etc. Perfect erring. 50 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 2: It's good and we've been back. I think we started 51 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 2: in August twenty three to become a sponsored business here 52 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 2: in Australia. So that's more money going out the door. 53 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 2: But we thought right, great position now, so we then 54 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:05,959 Speaker 2: got onto an immigration lawyer to start the process. More 55 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 2: money away we go once we thought names was the 56 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 2: right guy, and we got it all the way along 57 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:18,600 Speaker 2: to a step where our particular auto glass fitting wasn't 58 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:22,120 Speaker 2: in the lift on the federal governments with a wish 59 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 2: list of what they have come in. So we then 60 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:29,360 Speaker 2: needed a labor agreement to be set up to get 61 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 2: nanned in. 62 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:34,119 Speaker 1: Okay, just go back a step to become a sponsored 63 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 1: business firstly, because that seems to be the first step 64 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 1: in this process. What do you need to do to 65 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 1: get that status. 66 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 2: Oh well, you've got a show that you're a business. 67 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 2: It's going to be here for a while. You're substantially 68 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 2: you've got workers still in place, your media, all the 69 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 2: criteria necessary, which is fine, you know, that's great, that's 70 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 2: willing to do all that stuff. All reasonable steps, but 71 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:00,160 Speaker 2: a lot of them, you know. And I've had a 72 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 2: team of people here doing it. I'm not across every detail, 73 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 2: but yeah, team of guys here with that in concert 74 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 2: with the immigration lawyer to make sure that we met 75 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 2: that criteria to become a sponsored business. Once you do that, 76 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:19,880 Speaker 2: after a long, lengthy process, you think, well, here we go. Girdiful, 77 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 2: let's go. Let's get this works. 78 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 1: Not say all right, so immigration lawyer, Then what Home Affairs? 79 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 1: Immigration departments? 80 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 2: Yep, yep, And they say, right, you need a labor agreement. 81 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:34,719 Speaker 2: And this is the tricky one and on political neutral 82 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 2: let me just right out there. So the Home Affairs 83 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 2: have said to get your manning, you need a labor 84 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 2: agreement that's signed off by a union, in this case 85 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 2: the AWU Stratia's Workers' union. You need a letter of 86 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 2: approval from them to get your fellow in. Now that's 87 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 2: like asked the chicken to vote for Colonel Scenes in 88 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 2: my opinion, because this has been going on for weeks 89 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 2: now with a gentleman Simon Millers's name Blue the Canberra 90 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 2: But yeah, he's very very busy and he just can't 91 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:17,719 Speaker 2: get around to it. 92 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 1: So what you're saying is the AWU have one person 93 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 1: looking after all this who probably does a few other 94 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 1: roles in as well. 95 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:27,839 Speaker 2: Absolutely nice And as the point it was is the 96 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:31,840 Speaker 2: government and well I know I wasn't directly talking of 97 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 2: it to one of their colleagues. He was, And yeah, 98 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:39,720 Speaker 2: I get it that he's probably very busy. But after 99 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:42,680 Speaker 2: we'd proven that we have advertised for people, not only 100 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 2: here in Southustralia but nationally, we've went through recruiting agencies, 101 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:51,039 Speaker 2: we went through every we've advertised up the yingang to 102 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 2: try to get people on board, and we give them 103 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:57,920 Speaker 2: that proof. Yet you still have to then go through 104 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:01,360 Speaker 2: this process of getting a union to say it's okay 105 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:05,040 Speaker 2: to bring someone in even though we can't find anyone here. 106 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 2: So we've got a person over there in New Zealand 107 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:13,120 Speaker 2: who's who's packed up all his belongings. He's his family, 108 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 2: he's got two children, he's got a wife who studied 109 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 2: here in Perth. She's got a degree. They're very suitable 110 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 2: for they're going to be in addition to our community. 111 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:29,680 Speaker 2: And they're sitting there nervously waiting on the outcome of 112 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 2: a party that I don't believe should be involved in 113 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 2: this process. Word one to tell them, yes, it's okay 114 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 2: to come now, it's just ridiculous, soulous. 115 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:43,280 Speaker 1: So it moves through a government, moves through red tape directors. 116 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 1: Presumably you guys as directors have been bettered, as you know, 117 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 1: you're capable of running a company, finances in order, all 118 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:57,279 Speaker 1: of that, and then it comes down to a union saying, lindsay, 119 00:06:57,320 --> 00:07:00,600 Speaker 1: it's the reason because somebody of the would have put 120 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 1: this requirement in presumably probably at a union's behest, whether 121 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 1: it was the aw or whoever or the yeah, trade 122 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 1: union council, councilor trade unions to you wherever it's come from, 123 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 1: to ensure locals aren't missing out on jobs. Is that 124 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 1: the reason? 125 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 2: Look, that's probably the innate reason that is in their minds, 126 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 2: but it's just once you can prove that you have 127 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 2: advertised and sought out that we just can't get people 128 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 2: and it's not just me. You have the baker, the candlestick, 129 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 2: make of the whole whole thing. We're all in the 130 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 2: same boat. It's not an orphant here, but it's just 131 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 2: something that's got to be done away with. We need 132 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 2: Margaret Patcher to come in and just do away with that, 133 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 2: just open get on with life and create employment for 134 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 2: people and provide a service that we're a growing company, 135 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 2: that it's going in the right direction. We just held 136 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 2: back by one thing for people. 137 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 1: So in the meantime, you're a person down in your 138 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 1: work place. We've got this fellow and his family. I mean, 139 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 1: what are they feeling, What are they saying. 140 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 2: To you that you could imagine that they are absolutely distraught. 141 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 2: He was in November because he was from as said, 142 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 2: from Malay Malaysia. He has to his time is up 143 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 2: in New Zealand because they changed the lord. Long story, 144 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 2: and he has to then either get out New zeald 145 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 2: and find a job here or go back to Malaysia 146 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 2: where the opportunities aren't great. So they've got their life 147 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 2: on hold with their two children. Like I say, I 148 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 2: think sold up, packed up Rare and Ago because they 149 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 2: thought there wouldn't be a problem. We didn't think there'd 150 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:43,599 Speaker 2: be a problem. The immigration lawyers didn't think to be 151 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:46,679 Speaker 2: a problem to find this last little hurdle. So it 152 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 2: doesn't you know, Yeah, it doesn't make sense. There's no 153 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:55,319 Speaker 2: valid reason, and there's no time frame being given by 154 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 2: our friend Simon and Miller. There's no time. 155 00:08:57,320 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 1: Frame, so it could beg days, weeks or months. 156 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:02,440 Speaker 2: Couldn't say, couldn't care, couldn't tell us. 157 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 1: Wow, gee, that's that just takes my breath away I 158 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 1: to say to that, because because you'd think government approval 159 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:12,679 Speaker 1: would be. 160 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:17,080 Speaker 2: Enough, common sense you'd think would dictate, but not in 161 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:18,319 Speaker 2: this particular case. 162 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:22,559 Speaker 1: Lindsey, I'm sure you'll be in touch with this chap 163 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:26,320 Speaker 1: in the AWU on a frequent basis moving forward to 164 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 1: try and get something done. Keep us in the loop. 165 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 1: And we'd love to speak with your worker two if 166 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 1: we get the opportunity. Absolutely yeah, as to what he's 167 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:37,199 Speaker 1: going through in New Zealand, love to know what he's 168 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 1: thinking and feeling, all right, for sure. 169 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 2: No, thank thanks for ringing Matthews and appreciate your time 170 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:43,680 Speaker 2: on this subject. 171 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:46,200 Speaker 1: Pleasure. Thank you, Lindsay. Good luck with it. Lindsay Dean 172 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 1: founding director, Complete windscreens. How about that A So they've 173 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:53,440 Speaker 1: jumped through every hoop started a year ago August twenty three, 174 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 1: down this path to get the business regarded labeled as 175 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 1: a sponsored business, to be able to bre in people 176 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 1: for workers they've advertised for locally in essay Adelaide essay 177 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:09,320 Speaker 1: and nationally can't find them. Bring an immigration lawyers to 178 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 1: start the process of finding a suitable person overseas, locate them, 179 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 1: fill out all the forms you can imagine, can't you 180 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:20,839 Speaker 1: for immigration, border security, home affairs, all the rest of it, 181 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:27,080 Speaker 1: and vetting of the company directors. Can you imagine the paperwork? 182 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 1: And then it goes to a union official who's got 183 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 1: to tick off on it and says, I just don't 184 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 1: have time. I'll get to it when i'm ready. That's 185 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:35,680 Speaker 1: not right.