Speaker 1: Approche Production.
Speaker 2: Welcome back to our little Lady. It's been a while now.
Speaker 2: I'm not one to read reviews, and although we've had
Speaker 2: a stack of positive reviews on Apple and Spotify. Like anything,
Speaker 2: and especially a case like this that has some in
Speaker 2: Tasmania a little nervous, it's pretty easy for trolls to
Speaker 2: throw in an anonymous comment. There was one a few
Speaker 2: weeks ago and it really grabbed me, and I know
Speaker 2: it grabbed Jason and Amanda as well. The comment was simple.
Speaker 2: It said, the show's getting long in the tooth and
Speaker 2: maybe we should finish up now. I want to say
Speaker 2: we made a promise to Jason and Amanda a long
Speaker 2: time ago that we'd finish this show up when they
Speaker 2: finally got an answer, and that's what we're going to do.
Speaker 2: We of course appreciate the support of any listeners, but
Speaker 2: there would be some in the community that might want
Speaker 2: the podcast to go away. It won't. And although it's
Speaker 2: not a regular release, everything we're bringing you right now
Speaker 2: is in real time. Jason, Amanda, how are things. It's
Speaker 2: been a little while.
Speaker 3: It has been We've been progressing forward, one step in
Speaker 3: front of the other.
Speaker 2: What are some of those progressions that have been made
Speaker 2: over the last sort of three or four weeks.
Speaker 3: Well, we've actually had a bit of a break and
Speaker 3: Jackie's Lamby's been championing championing the movement in the last
Speaker 3: few months by putting in a number of RTIs, and we've.
Speaker 4: Gotten some quite validating information back.
Speaker 2: We've witnessed the RTIs and some of the questions about them.
Speaker 2: The questions center around some of the redacted pages. From
Speaker 2: what we can see, there are at least seven or
Speaker 2: eight that have been redacted. They have been redacted because
Speaker 2: the author says they're not relevant. Some are notes from
Speaker 2: the person who did a twenty twenty three review into
Speaker 2: Eden's case. One of the lines that isn't really acted
Speaker 2: is an email between two officers about the interview that
Speaker 2: was about to happen with the girl we're calling Kate
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty three. The interview nobody knew was happening.
Speaker 2: These are his words, but not his voice.
Speaker 5: If she remembers having it, I'd like to know who
Speaker 5: she was speaking with, where the information came from, and
Speaker 5: why specifically it was claimed not to be a suicide.
Speaker 5: I don't think a statement is necessary unless she ends
Speaker 5: up having some genuine information.
Speaker 2: As we read on it seems an officer did go
Speaker 2: to Kate's. Kate said to the officer that she didn't
Speaker 2: recall any of the conversations with Bobby Lee and had
Speaker 2: no knowledge of the matter. She wasn't formally interviewed and
Speaker 2: no statement was taken in this RTI request. There's a
Speaker 2: document called Inquiries, which seemed to be a tight log
Speaker 2: or running sheet of the inquiries made. It outlines that
Speaker 2: Jason Westbrook provided new evidence in a forty minute conversation
Speaker 2: on April twelve, twenty twenty three. The officer investigating says
Speaker 2: that it was third or fourth hand. There's also mentioned
Speaker 2: of Kate's Facebook posts, including being with Eden at five
Speaker 2: am on the eighteenth of February and the approach to
Speaker 2: Bobby Lee. There's also an interesting comment by the officer
Speaker 2: in the inquiry document, and it's about Paul Reynolds. Again,
Speaker 2: these are his words, but not his voice.
Speaker 5: Senior Sergeant Reynolds was never at Saint Helen's, never had
Speaker 5: any contact with Eden, and was not involved in the
Speaker 5: investigation directly.
Speaker 2: We do know the coroner who conducted Eden's coronial matter
Speaker 2: said on page three of their report.
Speaker 1: Senior Sergeant Paul Reynolds at the laun Syston Coroner's Office
Speaker 1: also provided regular oversight and direction during the investigation period
Speaker 1: at my request. I'm in that report, my daughter's in
Speaker 1: that report, her friends are in that report, and it
Speaker 1: all contradicts what we know. And we didn't sign those statements.
Speaker 1: It's because we got a phone call interview. Now, he
Speaker 1: gets off the phone from his armchair. He then writes
Speaker 1: a report to satisfy his superior officers. It's just BSJ.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's embarrassing.
Speaker 1: And when I've been speechless for a while, I've been
Speaker 1: really reserved. I haven't really spoken to too many people.
Speaker 1: I've been really in my yard and garden and I'm
Speaker 1: just keeping my head down, but up just angry. I
Speaker 1: actually something that's really interesting come out of it. Jay
Speaker 1: Is Smithhurst did view the footage with him.
Speaker 2: Here's an extract from that part of the RTI document.
Speaker 2: A phone call was made between two police officers on
Speaker 2: October twenty twenty three to talk about that CCTV footage.
Speaker 2: It was confirmed that an officer as well as another officer,
Speaker 2: Chris Smithhurst, viewed the CCTV footage. The report says the
Speaker 2: cameras were daytime cameras. We assume that means they weren't
Speaker 2: in for red cameras. It also says the area was
Speaker 2: not well lit. The document also state that this officer
Speaker 2: asked Chris Smithhurst about him telling the Westbrooks that he
Speaker 2: saw Eden and an older woman on the footage. The
Speaker 2: officer was aware of this fact and said he'd asked
Speaker 2: smith Hurst about the fact, and smith Hurst said that
Speaker 2: he never told the Westbrooks that, and it must have
Speaker 2: been a misunderstanding. Of course, we know it's really hard
Speaker 2: to verify this point about the conversation between this officer
Speaker 2: and smith Hurst because smith Hurst died some years ago.
Speaker 2: In the last episode, we spoke to Eden's younger brother
Speaker 2: Daunte and her little sister Sky for Jason and Amanda.
Speaker 2: This episode was really hard to hear.
Speaker 1: Yeah, mate, that was I found that extremely powerful to
Speaker 1: listen to as just a listener, to think they were
Speaker 1: my children. It still makes me a little emotional, I
Speaker 1: think's the right word. The great kids. Jay West super
Speaker 1: euper proud of those two And when I heard it,
Speaker 1: and when they were saying things like, you know, Mum
Speaker 1: and Dad have done enough. They've worked so hard. I
Speaker 1: even probably for a couple of days, I was wondering
Speaker 1: whether maybe I had, you know, maybe I could walk away,
Speaker 1: because I thought, with what I've done with you, Jay,
Speaker 1: and what you've done with this story, that's what I
Speaker 1: wanted to do. I actually wanted to tell my story
Speaker 1: to someone that would listen and give me given a
Speaker 1: platform where people could put doubt in what was written,
Speaker 1: because I doubted doubt in what was written. And you've
Speaker 1: been able to give me more than I could ever
Speaker 1: ever imagined. And I've done that, and it's almost like
Speaker 1: a release for me to have done that. And I've
Speaker 1: told the world through your audience that this is my
Speaker 1: side of the story as Eden's dad. This is our
Speaker 1: injustice and I want to tell it. I want to
Speaker 1: say it, and I want to be proud, and I'm not.
Speaker 1: I don't want to be ashamed of what Eden did
Speaker 1: or didn't do.
Speaker 6: And you know, this story, it's sensitive, it's raw, it
Speaker 6: isn't something that spoke about often, and so we've shared
Speaker 6: that and I'm happy.
Speaker 1: About that, mate. And so yeah, when you took a
Speaker 1: donnian Sky, I just thought, maybe it's time to give
Speaker 1: back to them. This hasn't slowed us down from who
Speaker 1: we are as parents. If anything, it's probably maybe a
Speaker 1: better parent. I'm there always for my children. I want
Speaker 1: to be there to do stuff. And I'm going to
Speaker 1: continue the fight because while there's content and there's no
Speaker 1: answers that we need, I'm going to be there to
Speaker 1: tell the story until it's finished. And at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, there's that many people that aren't caring
Speaker 1: and are supporting us. They too want the answers, and
Speaker 1: they're going to continue to listen until we get to
Speaker 1: the end, mate, And we're not at.
Speaker 4: The end yet, because I'm not stopping. I am not
Speaker 4: slowing down.
Speaker 1: I cried, mate, I cried when I heard Donniansky. They
Speaker 1: didn't know what you're going to ask them, and they
Speaker 1: just spoke from the emotions that went through sky. It
Speaker 1: was incredible and such an articulately answered in every question
Speaker 1: and Donnie. I got to know Donnie again, mate, So yeah,
Speaker 1: thanks for that. Donnie's eighteens the guy's twenty, Mate. When
Speaker 1: I was eighteen and twenty, I wouldn't have wanted Skynn.
Speaker 6: To even name me, if you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: They're just good kids and they're just so switched on
Speaker 1: and they're so caring and as you heard, they're going
Speaker 1: to fight for what they believe in, and they already do.
Speaker 1: If there's a protest to in haveber that they believe in,
Speaker 1: they're front and center.
Speaker 4: Mate.
Speaker 1: They're not violent, they're not aggressive in their protest, but
Speaker 1: if they believe in it, they're there and we can't
Speaker 1: stop the mate because they know what we stand out
Speaker 1: ground as well.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we love them.
Speaker 1: They're great.
Speaker 2: One of those things that came up in that chat
Speaker 2: with Dante and Sky was and it slipped through as
Speaker 2: I was talking to them, and actually a couple of
Speaker 2: listeners reached out and asked the question. But there was
Speaker 2: a mention of a diary, Eden's diary. I think I
Speaker 2: actually asked a few people before I reached out to you,
Speaker 2: which is just something that I do to check, to sense,
Speaker 2: check my own question to go, is this insensitive asking
Speaker 2: for the diary? So just say no, that's sort of
Speaker 2: a bit of my own process that I go through
Speaker 2: before I know I can ask you anything. And I
Speaker 2: have no issue with that.
Speaker 3: If we had the diary, we would give it to you.
Speaker 3: We had a piece of paper. That slip of paper
Speaker 3: was actually in her folder with her Easter egg rappings
Speaker 3: that she'd kept, her certificates, a few bits of art,
Speaker 3: some birthday cards from her siblings over the years, just
Speaker 3: a little.
Speaker 4: Sentiment of photo folded. So I took it.
Speaker 1: To the under investigations table. It was actually on the
Speaker 1: table the.
Speaker 3: First come across city, look like they said. We actually
Speaker 3: did shelter them from as much as we could, and
Speaker 3: we didn't make conversation in their presence of anything. We
Speaker 3: were very conscious about everything that we spoke about around them.
Speaker 3: What we did let them know. And then when they
Speaker 3: watched that whole show, they were wrecked and beside themselves.
Speaker 3: They were calling us and we were all sobbing. But
Speaker 3: they were discovering parts of what we've done, and that's
Speaker 3: where they were coming from an older perspective. Now they're
Speaker 3: at their age, they actually can take a little bit
Speaker 3: more of what we've done and understand it.
Speaker 4: And that John A. Nine show really astonished Dante.
Speaker 3: He's just like, yeah, exactly, you know that she wouldn't
Speaker 3: have done that, not feeling like that, and it reminded
Speaker 3: him of who Eden was.
Speaker 1: When you asked for the diary, we went looking through
Speaker 1: everything again and it's still hard, so hard for me.
Speaker 1: I just find that really when you open those containers,
Speaker 1: and that we thought we only had one, we've got three,
Speaker 1: and it's there's still a fragrance of eating there, mate,
Speaker 1: you know. And we pulled her shorts out and her
Speaker 1: favorite little devon shorts and that she just wore a
Speaker 1: dream well that she got on the Gold Coast, and
Speaker 1: it was just she was so little. She was such
Speaker 1: a little person and such a great loss.
Speaker 2: The photo that I have in front of me is
Speaker 2: is I can see it's your yard, your front yard,
Speaker 2: and there's a massive trestle table set up, and there's
Speaker 2: just this stuff everywhere on that table. And I'm guessing
Speaker 2: that's all of eden stuff.
Speaker 3: It's some of what we just there was just a
Speaker 3: regular outfit that I remember seeing her in, and her
Speaker 3: little plaid belt and all of her hair, hair pieces,
Speaker 3: even some of your cousins clips been clips from them
Speaker 3: that they had made by hand, and just a little Yeah,
Speaker 3: she had them around her. She put wore them around
Speaker 3: her neck and they all had different.
Speaker 1: Meanings strength, power, love, hope, courage, dreams. Yeah, I read
Speaker 1: I think you might see it in a photo that
Speaker 1: made a suent you, and.
Speaker 4: I put them all over there.
Speaker 1: The presentation may look the best because I was doing
Speaker 1: it through watery eyes, to be honest, but I read
Speaker 1: each and every one of those as I was doing it,
Speaker 1: and it just doesn't read someone that's got It doesn't
Speaker 1: read someone that doesn't want a future. It's someone that's
Speaker 1: right into the the life life.
Speaker 4: Yeah, she was so living.
Speaker 2: What's interesting about these photos that I saw? And to me,
Speaker 2: their photos that I could easily say of my own daughters,
Speaker 2: where I have memories of why they were.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, it's like her.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it was just because she will perfume and
Speaker 3: the perfume was in there. There was Pala Swift and
Speaker 3: Britney Spears perfumes and they were her perfumes.
Speaker 1: And outfit she'd wear in particular events Australia Day or
Speaker 1: the Show day or the Gold Coast or a holiday
Speaker 1: when we took it to the airport. Yeah, they're there,
Speaker 1: those last clothes, the last outfit she bought, you know.
Speaker 4: And she had headphones.
Speaker 3: She always had cool headphones and she was always listening
Speaker 3: to music and always sing her beanies.
Speaker 1: Mate, I'm a beanie dude, I wear beanies wearing living tazzy,
Speaker 1: so I wa like a beanie on my short hair.
Speaker 1: It was good to do. I think I wasn't probably
Speaker 1: able to be spoke to for a couple of days after.
Speaker 1: It did knock me around, but in a good way,
Speaker 1: I guess, because you've got to look. You can't just
Speaker 1: close the box and never look at it again. So yeah,
Speaker 1: it was nice.
Speaker 4: Used to love all the little my little ponies, Jason.
Speaker 2: I want to just throw something to you without notice.
Speaker 2: Father's Day obviously was recently and as part of the
Speaker 2: photos that Amanda sent through of a whole bunch of stuff,
Speaker 2: is a beautiful I'm a bit emotional. There's a beautiful
Speaker 2: Father's Day card here which is made by all your daughters,
Speaker 2: and so I actually want to read it, if that's okay,
Speaker 2: monym It's.
Speaker 4: Just one of many things that they used to do,
Speaker 4: the crafty little things.
Speaker 2: They were, and it's beautiful. There's coloring in. It's from
Speaker 2: Justine Hunter, Eden Sky and Dante too, obviously is there.
Speaker 2: But it says, hey, did you know that you're the
Speaker 2: best father, dad Jason Westbrook in the world, and then
Speaker 2: it goes to will try to be the best kids.
Speaker 2: After that they say you are the best dad in
Speaker 2: the world. You know why you smell good, You're You're
Speaker 2: like the coolest dad ever. You have seven children that
Speaker 2: love you. There's so many people that want to be
Speaker 2: in our family. You could take a joke and there
Speaker 2: are so many things that won't fit on this page. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's just a really it's just a really beautiful card.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, see why I had to leave the box
Speaker 1: Jay that was in it, mate. You know, and when
Speaker 1: you're reading stuff like that, and I've told you I
Speaker 1: feel responsible for reading's death.
Speaker 2: Mate.
Speaker 1: I'm going to wear that for the rest of my
Speaker 1: life because she was fifteen on my watch and to
Speaker 1: read that and to know what they thought to me
Speaker 1: and I failed that night. It's tough, mate, you know.
Speaker 3: But they would write things like that all the time.
Speaker 3: They wouldn't even need Father's Day or Mother's Day. They
Speaker 3: just used to write us lovely little things.
Speaker 4: And Jason used to write them, well, this is where
Speaker 4: this is as big as our lies get. Santa Claus
Speaker 4: and the Easter Bunny. Jason would write a letter from
Speaker 4: Santa Claus to the children. He would set the Christmas
Speaker 4: up like scale the roof and just dows the house
Speaker 4: with lights and glitter and footprints of a reindeer being
Speaker 4: through the house through the glitter, just some of the
Speaker 4: lengths that he would go to.
Speaker 2: And and that's why we're continuing to do this podcast
Speaker 2: and why you're continuing to tell his story because if
Speaker 2: we stop, the audience can't help drive some momentum to
Speaker 2: try and get the answer that you've waited for ten
Speaker 2: years old.
Speaker 1: Exactly.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and Tazi needs to get behind it a little
Speaker 4: bit more. In terms of the petition, which I hopefully
Speaker 4: Jackie will inspire.
Speaker 1: There's eight and a half thousand people currently. I believe
Speaker 1: Ja you could you might have a different numbers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, one thousand people.
Speaker 1: Thanks so much to those nine thousand people that have
Speaker 1: put their name behind that support. They must be able
Speaker 1: to read which states or which countries they come from.
Speaker 1: We actually need more Tasmanians because this is our constituent
Speaker 1: we're living in, This is our state we're living in.
Speaker 1: This matters to us if we want the Currents Act
Speaker 1: that change that's outdated, that's antiplicated. Is that the right word.
Speaker 1: We really need Tasmanians to get behind this so we
Speaker 1: can change things for the better. There's more we know
Speaker 1: there's more than just the Westbrook family trying to get
Speaker 1: autopsy photos through the coroner. We know that other people
Speaker 1: have been rejected and told that they cannot have them.
Speaker 1: This has to change. Families need to be able to
Speaker 1: get an independent third party to look at these things
Speaker 1: in case the Coroner's office have got it wrong.
Speaker 3: I actually sold more Raffle tickets for a football trip
Speaker 3: away than the amount of people that have signed the
Speaker 3: petition in Tasmania.
Speaker 4: And it's not as.
Speaker 3: If it's been a secret what's been going on in Tasmania.
Speaker 3: In full Worth, you listen to the news, whether you're
Speaker 3: talking about it at the supermarket or whether you're watching
Speaker 3: it on Facebook or social media. Everything has been publicized,
Speaker 3: regarding Paul Reynolds and his very expensive honor of guard
Speaker 3: with the funeral after what we discovered with him. That's
Speaker 3: been publicized. The Royal Commission's inquiries been publicized. People have
Speaker 3: lost positions and have to be answerable to certain behavior years.
Speaker 3: That's all been evident, it's all been documented. I don't
Speaker 3: know where people are if they don't know that they've
Speaker 3: got a right to not only have a vote, but
Speaker 3: to make a stand about doing.
Speaker 4: The right thing.
Speaker 2: We're currently at eighty six hundred and twenty four signatures
Speaker 2: on the change dot org petition to reopen a public
Speaker 2: inquest into the death of Eden Westbrook. The way you
Speaker 2: can help, especially if you're from Tasmania, is to sign
Speaker 2: this petition as quickly as possible, said