WEBVTT - Sharri | 18 July

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<v Speaker 1>Line is Sharry Good evening Steep Price with you filling

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<v Speaker 1>in for Sharry again and back tomorrow night at six

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<v Speaker 1>with my Friday program coming up on the show tonight,

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<v Speaker 1>The spectacle, it is the way the Americans select their

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<v Speaker 1>next president, goes next level.

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<v Speaker 2>In Milwaukee, newly crowned Vice President j d Vance, with

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<v Speaker 2>his wife and mum in the audience, makes his first speech,

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<v Speaker 2>and tomorrow for my President Donald Trump, after surviving that

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<v Speaker 2>assassination attempt at the weekend, he'll speak for the first time.

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<v Speaker 2>Take you to Washington and Trudy McIntosh first up tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>The other story, of course, that's dominated this week, the

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<v Speaker 2>lid finally blown off the murky underbelly of activities on

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<v Speaker 2>Australia's building sites led by the militant CFMEU. Queenslian Senator

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<v Speaker 2>James McGrath will join us to talk about that and

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<v Speaker 2>back to the cost of living crisis. With unemployment figure

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<v Speaker 2>nudging a little higher today and I think it under

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<v Speaker 2>counts the real story. By the way, we'll talk to

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<v Speaker 2>the hospitality industry. It's a figure tipping one in ten

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<v Speaker 2>cafes around Australia, maybe in danger of closing. But let's

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<v Speaker 2>start in the United States. It's the center of the

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<v Speaker 2>world at the moment. It's the big third day of

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<v Speaker 2>the Republican National Convention. Donald Trump's running mate, jade E Vance,

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<v Speaker 2>introduced himself to the nation and the world.

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<v Speaker 3>You have to say.

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<v Speaker 2>In his first speech as the nominee for Vice President,

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<v Speaker 2>Andrew just spoke of his amazing book that he wrote.

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<v Speaker 2>He spoke of his heart upbringing in Ohio, making the

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<v Speaker 2>case that he and his party best understand the challenges

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<v Speaker 2>facing Americans and the working poor. He even spoke fondly

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<v Speaker 2>about the woman who raised him.

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<v Speaker 4>In my life, I had a guardian angel by my side.

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<v Speaker 4>She was an old woman who could barely walk, but

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<v Speaker 4>she was tough as nails. I called her Mammo, the

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<v Speaker 4>name we Hillbillies gave to our grandmothers. I mean, Memo

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<v Speaker 4>raised me as my mother with addiction. Ma'am All was

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<v Speaker 4>in so many ways a woman of contradiction. She loved

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<v Speaker 4>the Lord, ladies and gentlemen. She was a woman of

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<v Speaker 4>very deep Christian faith, but she also loved the F word.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not kidding. She could make a sailor blush. Now,

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<v Speaker 4>thanks to that mamm All, things worked out for me.

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<v Speaker 4>After nine to eleven, I did what thousands of other

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<v Speaker 4>young men my age did in that time of soaring

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<v Speaker 4>patriotism and love of country. I enlisted in the United

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<v Speaker 4>States Marines.

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<v Speaker 2>JD then go down to business speaking about what Donald

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<v Speaker 2>Trump should be the next president of the United States.

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<v Speaker 4>Leader who rejects Joe Biden and Kamala Harris's green news

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<v Speaker 4>scam and fights to bring back our great American factories.

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<v Speaker 4>We need President Donald J.

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<v Speaker 5>Trump.

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<v Speaker 4>For decades that divide between the few with their power

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<v Speaker 4>and comfort in Washington and the rest of us only

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<v Speaker 4>widened from Iraq to Afghanistan, from the financial crisis to

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<v Speaker 4>the Great Session, from open borders to stagnating wages. The

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<v Speaker 4>people who govern this country have failed and failed again.

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<v Speaker 4>That is, of course, until a guy named Donald J.

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<v Speaker 3>Trump came along.

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<v Speaker 4>President Trump represents America's last best hope to restore what,

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<v Speaker 4>if lost, may never be found again, a country where

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<v Speaker 4>a working class boy born far from the halls of

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<v Speaker 4>power can stand on this stage as the next Vice

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<v Speaker 4>President of the United States of America.

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<v Speaker 2>Like all good speakers, he got better, I think the

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<v Speaker 2>longer that he went. Let's get the lightest first up

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<v Speaker 2>tonight from the US with Sky senior political reporter Trudy

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<v Speaker 2>McIntosh's live in Washington, DC, where it's very early in

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<v Speaker 2>the morning. I guess a lot of people sat and

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<v Speaker 2>watched JD in America who had not seen him before.

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<v Speaker 2>What sort of feedback are you getting, Trudy on that

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<v Speaker 2>speech that he made today.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 7>I think that's the key point, isn't it state that

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<v Speaker 7>lots of Republicans, broader Americans wouldn't have known Jdvance was.

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<v Speaker 7>If you're in the inside the Beltway, the MAGA crowd,

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<v Speaker 7>they would have known who JD.

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<v Speaker 3>Vance was.

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<v Speaker 7>But it was an opportunity, as you say, to sell

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<v Speaker 7>his hillbilly rags to riches stories. There was some great

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<v Speaker 7>insights there into how he grew up, but drawing that

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<v Speaker 7>together with the broader American story and trying to win

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<v Speaker 7>over and prove kind of a generational change. Trump quite

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<v Speaker 7>old as we know, and Jdvans at just thirty nine,

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<v Speaker 7>a younger, fresher face as selling the same MAGA message.

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<v Speaker 7>I also thought, though last night, there was some other

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<v Speaker 7>fascinating parts of that convention. The fact that Donald Trump's

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<v Speaker 7>eldest granddaughter got to the stage, an opportunity to humanize

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<v Speaker 7>what is a very tough and polarizing figure here in

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<v Speaker 7>American around the world. She spoke about these stories. You

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<v Speaker 7>could see Donald Trump beaming at the time as she

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<v Speaker 7>spoke about el he sneaks your candy and all those

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<v Speaker 7>things that granddads liked to do. I thought that was

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<v Speaker 7>a nice touch to show the human side of a

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<v Speaker 7>rather polarizing man.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she talked about how she goes and plays golf

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<v Speaker 2>with him. When she's winning, he doesn't like it, he

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<v Speaker 2>tries to beat her. It really did soften the image

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<v Speaker 2>of Donald Trump. And given what happened last weekend and

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<v Speaker 2>given how he has handled himself Donald Trump I'm talking

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<v Speaker 2>of since that seems to be what the theme of

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<v Speaker 2>this Donald Trump trying to get elected in twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 2>four is going to be like. As opposed to what

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<v Speaker 2>you'd have to say, Trudy, back in twenty sixteen was

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<v Speaker 2>a very bombastic Donald Trump who was very loud and aggressive.

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<v Speaker 2>I think what happened last weekend fundamentally is going to

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<v Speaker 2>change the way he presents himself to the world.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, and how could it not that you are literally

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<v Speaker 7>a centimeter or so or the head turn away from

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<v Speaker 7>being dead That is a huge clarifying moment for anyone,

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<v Speaker 7>let alone a man running to be president again. Donald Trump,

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<v Speaker 7>I would think this time around, has been much more

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<v Speaker 7>disciplined in his campaigning. We have three weeks on from

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<v Speaker 7>that disastrous debate from Joe Biden, and in the wake

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<v Speaker 7>of it, Donald Trump didn't go out and blow things up.

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<v Speaker 7>He just was quiet. Whilst your opponents struggling. Let them

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<v Speaker 7>continue to struggle publicly. The real test, I suppose, comes

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<v Speaker 7>at his speech tonight here local time. It's slated to

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<v Speaker 7>be around an hour and a half Donald Trump speaking

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<v Speaker 7>at the convention, but he's promised he's rewritten the speech

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<v Speaker 7>compared to what it was before that assassination attempt, promising

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<v Speaker 7>a message of unity. I imagine he'll still have a

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<v Speaker 7>few barbs in there. He's got an hour and a

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<v Speaker 7>half plenty of time.

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<v Speaker 2>Just briefly, back on JD. Vance, I think that's an

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<v Speaker 2>inspired choice. I mean, I didn't know anything about him

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<v Speaker 2>till we saw him today and people talking about his

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<v Speaker 2>book and the Netflix movie. But this is a thirty

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<v Speaker 2>nine year old guy who dragged himself up by his bootstraps.

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<v Speaker 2>But more importantly, I think truty and we've seen it

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<v Speaker 2>in Australian politics. It signifies a generational change. I mean

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<v Speaker 2>you could say that about you know, Peter Costello shadowing

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<v Speaker 2>John Howard or Paul Keating shadowing Bob Hawk.

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<v Speaker 3>You always have.

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<v Speaker 2>To have if you want to continue win elections, someone

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<v Speaker 2>in reserve who is going to be a great replacement,

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<v Speaker 2>which is exactly what the Democrats don't have.

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<v Speaker 7>And I think the choice of jd Vance as well

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<v Speaker 7>shows how secure Donald Trump feels in his position. With

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<v Speaker 7>vice presidential picks in American history, normally presidents pick someone

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<v Speaker 7>who's a compliment to them, who's going to help win

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<v Speaker 7>over an area of the American voter base that they

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<v Speaker 7>don't have. Think about John McCain picking Sarah Palin, a woman.

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<v Speaker 7>Same with Joe Biden picking Karmala Harris, an African American woman.

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<v Speaker 7>And normally that's the sort of reason why, a very brutal,

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<v Speaker 7>real politic reason to pick someone with jdie Vance, that's

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<v Speaker 7>not what this is. This is someone who now believes

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<v Speaker 7>in Trump's agenda from those russ Belt states. Joe Biden's

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<v Speaker 7>sons apparently as well a Steep were quite instrumental in

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<v Speaker 7>convincing him that JD was the one.

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<v Speaker 2>You're in them all there in Washington and the current

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<v Speaker 2>president flew back to the East coast today. Now this

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<v Speaker 2>is going to be a big story, obviously. President Joe Biden,

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<v Speaker 2>he was asked in an interview would there be anything

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<v Speaker 2>that would encourage him to step down from being the nominee.

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<v Speaker 2>He said, well, a doctor's opinion that my health would

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<v Speaker 2>suffer might be a reason. He then suddenly comes down

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<v Speaker 2>with COVID, jumps on Air Force One, doesn't come back

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<v Speaker 2>to Washington, flies to Delaware, where he and Jill will

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<v Speaker 2>spend the weekend. Are you tipping we might see a

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<v Speaker 2>fundamental shift from the Democrats here. Will Biden perhaps possibly

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<v Speaker 2>step down over the weekend?

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<v Speaker 7>Well, if this was Australian politics, let's be real, he

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<v Speaker 7>would have been knife three weeks ago, the day after

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<v Speaker 7>the debate.

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<v Speaker 5>That's how it works.

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<v Speaker 7>Back home back here, because he'd already been through this

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<v Speaker 7>primary process, it's harder to do that. Joe Biden has

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<v Speaker 7>to call time, essentially on himself, the huge intervention yesterday

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<v Speaker 7>though Chuck Schumer essentially his camp. It seems leaking this

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<v Speaker 7>meeting he had last Saturday here in a mint errecka

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<v Speaker 7>where he told Joe Biden in no uncertain terms, you

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<v Speaker 7>have to go. Then we saw the leak of Nancy Pelosi.

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<v Speaker 7>She also had a meeting in the last week or

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<v Speaker 7>so with Joe Biden showed him the polling says you

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<v Speaker 7>can't win. Joe Biden's response, apparently is I don't believe

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<v Speaker 7>those polls. We've seen somewhat of a softening. I'll point

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<v Speaker 7>out the New York Times and CNN both reporting very

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<v Speaker 7>similar lines out of the Biden advisor camp. They're saying

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<v Speaker 7>he's now more receptive to the idea of dropping out,

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<v Speaker 7>not that he's decided to do that. He wants to

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<v Speaker 7>be convinced that Kamala Harris can win, but the first

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<v Speaker 7>sign from the Biden camp that they are thinking about

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<v Speaker 7>his future.

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<v Speaker 2>The head of the Secret Service was in Milwaukee today.

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<v Speaker 2>She was pursued by the media asking questions about how

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<v Speaker 2>that rally could have been so badly treated by the

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<v Speaker 2>Secret Service protection of Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 3>Is she going to hang on to her job?

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<v Speaker 2>And I can't believe she's not already put her hand

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<v Speaker 2>up and said, look, we screwed it up and I'm quitting.

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<v Speaker 2>This is Kimberly cheetle.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, it's incredible the revelations that came out yesterday. It

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<v Speaker 7>was overshadowed here in America by the convention and by

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<v Speaker 7>the Biden news. But she told lawmakers apparently on this

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<v Speaker 7>call that happened that has been leaked now, that more

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<v Speaker 7>than an hour before the shooter, Thomas Crooks took a

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<v Speaker 7>shot at Donald Trump, that he was a person of

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<v Speaker 7>interest from police, and twenty minutes before snipers had seen

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<v Speaker 7>someone on a roof of that building. So there are

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<v Speaker 7>huge questions here. As you say, though, I'm not sure

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<v Speaker 7>if you've seen the vision, there's this incredible moment on

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<v Speaker 7>the floor of the convention last night, Republican lawmakers, a

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<v Speaker 7>Senator Marcia Blackburn literally harassing this woman, the Secret Service Director,

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<v Speaker 7>publicly in the corridors with the cameras there. That's only

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<v Speaker 7>what journalists do to see politicians publicly doing that. It

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<v Speaker 7>shows the pressure that's on. Just a warm up two.

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<v Speaker 7>I'd have to say she's due to appear in Congress

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<v Speaker 7>next Monday. That is nothing compared to what she's going.

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<v Speaker 3>To face there.

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<v Speaker 2>Trudy macintosha, as usually you're doing an outstanding job. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>very jealous of you standing there on the mall in Washington, DC.

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<v Speaker 2>Keep it up and I'll talk to you again soon

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<v Speaker 2>and we'll see what unfolds over the weekend. Isn't she fantastic?

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<v Speaker 2>Truly doing that? Now back home, I just need to

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<v Speaker 2>return briefly to the scandalous behavior of the construction arm

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<v Speaker 2>of one of Australia's most powerful unions, the CFMEU, a

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<v Speaker 2>major labor party donor, as we know seen not from

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<v Speaker 2>a government inquiry but from as a media investigation to

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<v Speaker 2>have been really an alleged organized crime like outfit infiltrated

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<v Speaker 2>by outlawd motorcycle gang members using bullyboy tactics. That's new

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<v Speaker 2>too tame, I think, more like standover tactics, threats of

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<v Speaker 2>violence and allegedly demands for bribe money. Now, this week's

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<v Speaker 2>been a disaster for state labor in Queensland, New South

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<v Speaker 2>Wales and particularly Victoria, where the current government has been

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<v Speaker 2>too close for too long to this outfit. In my view,

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<v Speaker 2>their leadership from the socialist left have been only too

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<v Speaker 2>happy to take political donations and volunteer labor from the CFMAU.

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<v Speaker 2>These boats go out and man polling boots and answer

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<v Speaker 2>phones during election campaigns. Now this week started with a

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<v Speaker 2>nine newspaper, nine newspapers opening a lid on this stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>and now that it's out in the open, it needs

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<v Speaker 2>to be properly investigated, not by the union itself but

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<v Speaker 2>with a Royal commission led by a non politically aligned judge.

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<v Speaker 2>Just today in the Herald Sun we learn of more

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<v Speaker 2>shocking allegations while whistleblowers telling how secured tenders. So someone

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<v Speaker 2>who's put in a tender to work on a Victorian

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<v Speaker 2>government project and wins that tender only to be replaced

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<v Speaker 2>because the union doesn't want to work with them. It's

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<v Speaker 2>reported in some instances the unions the CFMEME used preferred

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<v Speaker 2>contractors didn't even have equipment needed to do the job,

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<v Speaker 2>so they had to buy it off the company that

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<v Speaker 2>won the tender in the first place, and they were

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<v Speaker 2>run off the site. One was allegedly told okay, mate,

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<v Speaker 2>if you want a meeting, bring twenty thousand dollars in

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<v Speaker 2>cash to a meeting at a footscrape pub to broker

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<v Speaker 2>a deal via the CFMEAU to get onto a government

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<v Speaker 2>infrastructure project. Company to their credit said no, but you

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<v Speaker 2>can be sure someone else did, and of course in

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<v Speaker 2>the middle of the current federal government shutdown the cop

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<v Speaker 2>on the beat. They shut it down the ABCC in

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<v Speaker 2>one of the first acts of the Albanezy government. Why

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<v Speaker 2>would they do that, Well, Minister Tony Burke claimed they

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<v Speaker 2>were being petty and investigating things like flags on building sites.

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<v Speaker 2>So the CFMEU flag stickers on helmets, well that's where

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<v Speaker 2>the union domination of projects start. If you have a

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<v Speaker 2>CFMU T shirt on and someone on the site's not

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<v Speaker 2>a member of the union, or on the crane doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>have a CFMEU flag flying, the site doesn't work, gets

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<v Speaker 2>shut down union domination. Then what follows is unreasonable union

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<v Speaker 2>wage deals. If not, the whole site gets shut down.

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<v Speaker 2>The union runs conditions on every one of these sites, lunchrooms, bathrooms,

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<v Speaker 2>ross the days off to make a three day long weekend,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean small beer to start with, big problems if

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<v Speaker 2>you don't play though by those union demands, the union rules.

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<v Speaker 2>And remember the money paying these blokes is taxpayers money.

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<v Speaker 2>And as the Herald Sun reports, this happened on the

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<v Speaker 2>twenty six billion dollar East North Northeast Link still being built.

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<v Speaker 2>By the way, the thirty four point five billion dollar

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<v Speaker 2>suburban rail loop which has hardly even started. Big money,

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<v Speaker 2>big honeypot for this union, and we deserve to know

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<v Speaker 2>what happened in full sight of the government funding it.

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<v Speaker 2>We need to know about the contracts. We need to

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<v Speaker 2>know who lobbied to shut down the ABCC. It's time

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<v Speaker 2>for all of this to come out of the shadows.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's bring in Liberal Senator James McGrath from Queensland. James

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<v Speaker 2>Labour's being accused of being week on this issue. Anthony Albanez.

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<v Speaker 2>He was in Queensland today. He was asked about the

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<v Speaker 2>growing calls to do the right thing and de register

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<v Speaker 2>this mob. Here was the PM's response.

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<v Speaker 8>If you do register a union, the union officials can

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<v Speaker 8>stay in place in an unregulated way. We don't want

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<v Speaker 8>that and I'm surprised that Peter Dutton seems to want

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<v Speaker 8>that to occur. What we want to do is make

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<v Speaker 8>sure that any corrupt officials are removed.

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<v Speaker 2>James, what what does that mean?

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<v Speaker 9>This is alban Easy being at his most weakness. Ever,

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<v Speaker 9>if he was a real Prime Minister, like say Bob

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<v Speaker 9>Hawk who de registered the BLF, Albanesi would have sud

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<v Speaker 9>have no problem about standing up to the thugs in

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<v Speaker 9>the CFU. There's absolute nonsense what he is sprouting at

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<v Speaker 9>the moment. It just shows how weak he is. And

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<v Speaker 9>it just also shows that money talks in politics. And

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<v Speaker 9>there's six point two million reasons why Albanese is not

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<v Speaker 9>going to stand up for CFM you, and that's because

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<v Speaker 9>that's six point two million dollars that went from the

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<v Speaker 9>CU to the Labor Party since Albanese has been Prime minister.

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<v Speaker 2>Go back to when the Labor government was elected. I

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<v Speaker 2>mean they promised during the election campaign to get rid

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<v Speaker 2>of the cop on the beat the ab CC and

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<v Speaker 2>they said, oh, well, they were just you know, picking

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<v Speaker 2>on people who had c FM EU T shirts on

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<v Speaker 2>or Eureka stockade stickers on their helmet.

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<v Speaker 3>No they weren't.

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<v Speaker 2>They were actually in there trying to make sure that

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<v Speaker 2>these projects were properly managed and that there was not

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<v Speaker 2>corruption on building sites.

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<v Speaker 9>Totally. And you look at why John Howard first brought

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<v Speaker 9>it in and then reintroduced under Tony Abbott. There is

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<v Speaker 9>a reason why we have to have the cop on

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<v Speaker 9>the beat and that is because of the cf MEU.

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<v Speaker 3>And there is a.

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<v Speaker 9>Reason why Labor abolished it twice, and that's because the

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<v Speaker 9>CFU are their paymasters. I speak to you from Queensland,

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<v Speaker 9>where we've got all these projects that have gone massfully

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<v Speaker 9>up in costs because of the demands of the CMU.

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<v Speaker 9>You speak to anyone who's in the construction sector across

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<v Speaker 9>Australia and they know how corrupt and how dodgy the

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<v Speaker 9>CMU is. And it hasn't just happened in the last day.

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<v Speaker 9>This has been going on for years. So for the

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<v Speaker 9>Prime Minister or Tony Burke or anyone in the Labor

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<v Speaker 9>Party to express sort of some oscar driven shock at Oh,

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<v Speaker 9>we didn't know these people are corrupt is absolute bs.

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<v Speaker 3>Everybody.

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<v Speaker 9>Everyone knows they're corrupt, and that's why we needed the

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<v Speaker 9>Australian Building Construction Commission on the beat.

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<v Speaker 2>James, I mean, as I understand it. I mean Queensy's

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<v Speaker 2>got an election in October. The CFMEU has not been deregistered,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's been put in administration in places like New

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<v Speaker 2>South Wales, Victoria, and that spills into South Australia, but

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<v Speaker 2>not in Queensland. So presumably they're not in administration, they

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<v Speaker 2>can continue to operate financially.

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<v Speaker 3>What do you make of that?

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<v Speaker 9>It shows who are owned Stephen Miles. The only reason

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<v Speaker 9>Stephen Miles became premier was because of the union bosses.

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<v Speaker 9>They all had a meeting decided to get rid of Palichet,

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<v Speaker 9>and the CFM of you were intrinsically involved in the

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<v Speaker 9>machinations to get rid of Palachee. Stephen Miles is of

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<v Speaker 9>the left, the cf you are of the left. They're

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<v Speaker 9>in this together. The scary thing for Queensland is should

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<v Speaker 9>Labor win the election in one hundred days time, that

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<v Speaker 9>means that Stephen Miles and the CFM of you will

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<v Speaker 9>be running a mark. It shows to Queensland that Stephen

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<v Speaker 9>Miles is all about himself, all about his union mates,

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<v Speaker 9>and is not about the taxpayers and the voters of Queensland.

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<v Speaker 9>It is shameful.

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<v Speaker 2>We had a couple of members of that union in

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<v Speaker 2>the Federal Court today. It was a case that goes

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<v Speaker 2>back a couple of years. They'd obstructed a crane that

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<v Speaker 2>was trying to work on a on a union site.

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<v Speaker 2>The court find the union one hundred and fifty thousand dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>But at the same time the minister who's now the

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<v Speaker 2>premier to Sendor Allen of the Socialist Left, whose husband

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<v Speaker 2>happens to be an ex CFM EU member. She says,

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't know any of this was happening. No, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>completely shocked. She's been the minister for all of those projects,

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<v Speaker 2>all of those major big build projects. She was the

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<v Speaker 2>minister responsible where all the trouble was happening. Had a

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<v Speaker 2>letter written to her from an Indigenous labor higher firm

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<v Speaker 2>complaining about bullying, and she took a year to reply.

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<v Speaker 9>Well, I'm impressed that she replied at all, considering her

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<v Speaker 9>links to the union and the links to the Labor

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<v Speaker 9>Party of the Union, and it probably was one of

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<v Speaker 9>those letters that has said we acknowledge you for the

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<v Speaker 9>fact you've sent us a letter. But this is I

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<v Speaker 9>cannot emphasize this enough. The links between the Labor Party

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<v Speaker 9>and the CMU run deep, and the main reason it

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<v Speaker 9>is because of the money that goes from the CU

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<v Speaker 9>to the Labor Party. So whether it's the Premier in

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<v Speaker 9>Victoria or the Premier here in Queensland, or Tony Burke

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<v Speaker 9>or Anthony Albanesi or Sally McManus, for any of these

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<v Speaker 9>people to say they're unaware of the conduct of the

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<v Speaker 9>CVMU just says to me, what Rock have you been

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<v Speaker 9>hiding under. Seriously, there is what rock. Queensland is hurting

0:20:27.280 --> 0:20:30.200
<v Speaker 9>because of the CIM. Australia is hurting because of the CMU,

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<v Speaker 9>and we've got a prime minister and we've got labor

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<v Speaker 9>premiers around this country who are not standing up to

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<v Speaker 9>these thugs. Someone needs to dig up Bob Hawk and

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<v Speaker 9>bring him back and show Anthony Albanasi how to be

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<v Speaker 9>a labor prime minister and stand up to the thugs

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<v Speaker 9>in the Union movement.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, Senator, I'm not pulling your leg.

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<v Speaker 2>Chris Bowen in the press club yesterday actually said that

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<v Speaker 2>this would not be a bad idea that Australians will

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<v Speaker 2>be able to use their electric vehicles to charge their

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<v Speaker 2>homes and be paid to put their cars stored energy

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<v Speaker 2>back into the electricity grid under this proposal that Chris

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<v Speaker 2>Bowen said would work. He wants this rolled out. I

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<v Speaker 2>almost can't believe I'm saying this. Over the next year

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<v Speaker 2>or so. Where are we living what planet are we

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<v Speaker 2>living on? I mean, how could.

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<v Speaker 3>This possibly work?

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<v Speaker 2>And when you think about it, I mean I had

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<v Speaker 2>to think about this today. So to be suburbs like

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<v Speaker 2>tu k or Willaa in Sydney, the richest suburbs in

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<v Speaker 2>the country. They'd all have their teslas pumping energy into

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<v Speaker 2>the grid and being paid by the taxpayer to do it,

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<v Speaker 2>where everybody who lives out in a normal working class

0:21:39.040 --> 0:21:42.919
<v Speaker 2>suburb Western Melbourne or Western Sydney or wherever, they just

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<v Speaker 2>be paying more for their power bill.

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<v Speaker 9>Margaret Thatcher said, when socialists run out of money, they

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<v Speaker 9>come after yours, or under Chris Bowen, when labor run

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<v Speaker 9>out of energy, they come.

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<v Speaker 3>After your electricity.

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<v Speaker 9>This is one of the stupidest, dumbest, craziest ideas I've

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<v Speaker 9>ever heard of. This is beyond April Fool's parody. The

0:22:06.160 --> 0:22:09.080
<v Speaker 9>fact that Pete, You're going to power up the ev

0:22:09.920 --> 0:22:13.840
<v Speaker 9>drive around and then come back and then power up

0:22:13.880 --> 0:22:16.600
<v Speaker 9>your house. I want to say to labor, you don't

0:22:16.600 --> 0:22:18.920
<v Speaker 9>need electric vehicles to do that. We've got these wonderful

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<v Speaker 9>things called.

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<v Speaker 5>Coal and gas.

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<v Speaker 9>Let's bring in nuclear. Hell, let's have solar, let's have wind.

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<v Speaker 9>Let's how that's how you power people's houses, not electric vehicles.

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<v Speaker 9>This is something out of It's beyond yes, Minister, it's

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<v Speaker 9>beyond utopia.

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<v Speaker 3>This is just this is stupid. It's stupid, and he is.

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<v Speaker 9>Taking the Australians for a ride with this type of madness.

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<v Speaker 9>The sooner we get rid of this labor government, the better.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, when you go out in your electric car, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't have one and I don't intend to buy one

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<v Speaker 2>because I don't like them. But you would go out,

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<v Speaker 2>So you went on a trip from Brisbane down to

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<v Speaker 2>the Gold Coast and back on a Saturday because you

0:23:00.760 --> 0:23:02.520
<v Speaker 2>wanted to have a surfer, You wanted to go down

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<v Speaker 2>and sit on the beach for a while. When you

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<v Speaker 2>get back home, the car has less electricity in the

0:23:08.200 --> 0:23:10.760
<v Speaker 2>battery than what you're left with, so you've got to

0:23:10.800 --> 0:23:14.160
<v Speaker 2>recharge it. You're not putting electricity back into the grid.

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<v Speaker 2>So what's Bowen actually talking about here? So I just

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<v Speaker 2>can't believe that someone who you know, he has to

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<v Speaker 2>be reasonably smart to be where he is in public life,

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<v Speaker 2>but he's turning into a full mate.

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<v Speaker 9>He's depriving a village somewhere of their idiot. For someone

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<v Speaker 9>to come up with an idea like this and say

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<v Speaker 9>it out loud at the National Press Club and expect

0:23:42.600 --> 0:23:46.120
<v Speaker 9>Australians to go what you're going to power a car

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<v Speaker 9>out of the grid, drive around, it's going to come

0:23:48.160 --> 0:23:50.159
<v Speaker 9>back empty and then you're going to power the house.

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<v Speaker 9>This guy, he's one step away from all of us

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<v Speaker 9>putting a hamster wheels in our house to make sure

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<v Speaker 9>that's how we power up our TVs and our heaters

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<v Speaker 9>in the middle of inter This guy should not be

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<v Speaker 9>sitting around a cabinet table. He shouldn't be sitting around

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<v Speaker 9>a kitchen table. You know, he should be sent out

0:24:06.320 --> 0:24:09.000
<v Speaker 9>somewhere and just be painting rocks white. That is his

0:24:09.400 --> 0:24:12.359
<v Speaker 9>level of experience. I wouldn't trust him with a toaster

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<v Speaker 9>or anything else.

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<v Speaker 2>So gra great to catch up. Thank you very much

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<v Speaker 2>for your time. Now after the break, another council moves

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<v Speaker 2>to change the date.

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<v Speaker 3>Of Australia Day. Here we go again.

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<v Speaker 2>We do not normally wait to December to have these conversations.

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<v Speaker 2>Plus a treaty for Victoria is one step closer to

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<v Speaker 2>becoming reality. Welcome back Steve Price in for Shari, who

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<v Speaker 2>will be back on Sky next Tuesday. Now I want

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<v Speaker 2>to go regional in our double regional Council, which is

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<v Speaker 2>of course in the central western New South Wales. Will

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<v Speaker 2>they've come out and recommended shifting Australia Day celebrations from

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<v Speaker 2>January twenty six, which this year is a Monday to

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<v Speaker 2>January twenty four, so I think January twenty six must.

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<v Speaker 3>Be the Sunday.

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<v Speaker 2>They want to do it on the twenty fourth, a

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<v Speaker 2>reverse long weekend if you like. Seriously, can't these local councils,

0:25:05.960 --> 0:25:08.719
<v Speaker 2>and I keep saying this, concentrate on their cool businesses.

0:25:09.400 --> 0:25:12.280
<v Speaker 2>I bet the state of the roads out west heading

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<v Speaker 2>to Dubbo and heading past Dubbo are not that great.

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<v Speaker 3>All the rural.

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<v Speaker 2>Roads in Australia at the moment suffer from major potholes

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<v Speaker 2>no matter which state you're in. Councils have simply run

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<v Speaker 2>out of money. State governments haven't got money and so

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<v Speaker 2>they're not repairing them now. The mayor of Dubbo Blow

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<v Speaker 2>called Matthew Dickerson, says the reasons for the proposed change

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<v Speaker 2>of date was quote convenience for council staff. Hello, as

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<v Speaker 2>well as quote Aboriginal sensitivity. What about honoring your country

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<v Speaker 2>on the day designated for it until a government in

0:25:46.480 --> 0:25:49.320
<v Speaker 2>Canberra chooses to shift the date and then you can

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<v Speaker 2>do it on that date. Joining me to discuss this

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<v Speaker 2>is the Center for Independent Studies Indigenous Forum director Warren Mundine.

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<v Speaker 2>Great to see you again, haven't spoken for a while.

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<v Speaker 2>For an Indigenous and non Indigenous people in Dubbo would

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<v Speaker 2>have had more important things to think about and fix

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<v Speaker 2>than this they do.

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<v Speaker 6>This council is totally out of touch.

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<v Speaker 10>It actually has a bit embarrassing for me because I

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<v Speaker 10>was a long term Dubbo City councilor and I was

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<v Speaker 10>Deputy Mayor of Dubbo for a while.

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<v Speaker 6>This council is totally at a touch. I'm sick and tired.

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<v Speaker 10>Of councils making up their own minds when to celebrate

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<v Speaker 10>Australia Day. Australia Day is a national holiday for all Australians.

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<v Speaker 10>Now what do they do if Anzac Day falls on

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<v Speaker 10>a Sunday? Are they going to change Anzac Day? Are

0:26:43.600 --> 0:26:47.080
<v Speaker 10>they going to change every holiday just because it's convenient

0:26:47.160 --> 0:26:50.960
<v Speaker 10>for their for the council staff now offenses mate, but

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<v Speaker 10>it is our national holiday. Earlier this year we had

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<v Speaker 10>Woolworths and a number of other corporates who are actually

0:26:58.960 --> 0:27:02.960
<v Speaker 10>you know, don't actually want to support and celebrate Australia Day,

0:27:03.200 --> 0:27:06.240
<v Speaker 10>didn't want to even put out banners or anything like that. Look,

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<v Speaker 10>all I'm going to say is Matthew Dickinson and I

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<v Speaker 10>know Matthew he was on the council in Isaiah over

0:27:11.320 --> 0:27:12.160
<v Speaker 10>twenty years ago.

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<v Speaker 3>Is that he's still there. He's still there.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, I don't know what he does for a living,

0:27:18.200 --> 0:27:18.960
<v Speaker 6>but he's still there.

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<v Speaker 10>My suggestion is stick to the public holidays. Celebrate Australia

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<v Speaker 10>instead of worrying about you know, some minority who's worried

0:27:29.760 --> 0:27:33.800
<v Speaker 10>about this and worried about that. Actually bring Australians together

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<v Speaker 10>and celebrate this incredible country, this multicultural, multi faith, multi

0:27:40.400 --> 0:27:42.960
<v Speaker 10>everything you can think about ethnic group. We brought people

0:27:42.960 --> 0:27:45.920
<v Speaker 10>from all over the world and we've built this incredible.

0:27:45.480 --> 0:27:46.320
<v Speaker 6>Great country.

0:27:46.640 --> 0:27:48.840
<v Speaker 10>And you know, and for over more than fifty years

0:27:48.840 --> 0:27:50.320
<v Speaker 10>we've got rid of all the race laws.

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<v Speaker 11>Here.

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<v Speaker 10>We bend over backwards to celebrate things. Why can't we

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<v Speaker 10>just celebrate us being together.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, there's a double form.

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<v Speaker 2>A Dubbo resident and someone who knows the town so well.

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<v Speaker 2>And I've been to Dubbo. It's a great regional town

0:28:07.840 --> 0:28:11.000
<v Speaker 2>of New South Wales. It has so much potential, but

0:28:11.680 --> 0:28:16.280
<v Speaker 2>it does have problems. So the council should concentrate on

0:28:16.480 --> 0:28:19.280
<v Speaker 2>doing the things that's voted in to do, which is

0:28:19.600 --> 0:28:22.240
<v Speaker 2>pick up the rubbish, look after the roads, try and

0:28:22.320 --> 0:28:25.199
<v Speaker 2>keep the rates as low as possible, make sure that

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<v Speaker 2>they put pressure on state governments to give the region

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<v Speaker 2>decent health care. Campaigning about things like this is just nonsensical.

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<v Speaker 10>Well, it's a divisive it's insanity, it's sacrimonious.

0:28:40.200 --> 0:28:40.720
<v Speaker 6>You're right.

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<v Speaker 10>We had when everyone was talking about what was happening

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<v Speaker 10>in Alice Springs and what was happening in Northern Terrety,

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<v Speaker 10>Northern Queenslana, around Cairns and towns and other places through

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<v Speaker 10>the Kimbles, and it was also happening in Dubbo. It

0:28:53.360 --> 0:28:57.320
<v Speaker 10>was also happening in the western part of New South Wales.

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<v Speaker 10>If Dubbo was really you know, wants to bring people together,

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<v Speaker 10>Australia Day is a perfect day to do it.

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<v Speaker 6>It's about all of us.

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<v Speaker 10>Coming together, focusing on what's good about Dabba, was good

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<v Speaker 10>about Australia, and actually make people proud of this country

0:29:14.080 --> 0:29:15.840
<v Speaker 10>so that we're all working together to.

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<v Speaker 6>Make it a better place.

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<v Speaker 10>Rather than look, I think we should move it because

0:29:20.720 --> 0:29:23.800
<v Speaker 10>we'd like to have a nice long weekend or anything

0:29:23.840 --> 0:29:26.640
<v Speaker 10>about it is not about a long weekend. It's about

0:29:26.680 --> 0:29:30.320
<v Speaker 10>the celebrating the wonderful people in this country. All the

0:29:30.360 --> 0:29:33.560
<v Speaker 10>migrants who come here, all the people here, like myself,

0:29:33.600 --> 0:29:34.240
<v Speaker 10>have been here.

0:29:34.120 --> 0:29:35.200
<v Speaker 6>For thousands of years.

0:29:35.520 --> 0:29:38.640
<v Speaker 10>It's about bringing it all together and making this country

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<v Speaker 10>even better.

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<v Speaker 2>Warren, you mentioned Alice Springs. It must break your heart

0:29:44.040 --> 0:29:47.600
<v Speaker 2>to again see what's happening in the Red Center. We

0:29:47.720 --> 0:29:50.600
<v Speaker 2>had a number of police officers who were assaulted by

0:29:51.240 --> 0:29:53.720
<v Speaker 2>an indigenous group on the banks of the Todd River.

0:29:54.120 --> 0:29:56.400
<v Speaker 2>Had to put back in the curfew. Then the curfew

0:29:56.480 --> 0:29:59.120
<v Speaker 2>goes off. I mean, if the curfew works, leave the

0:29:59.120 --> 0:30:03.200
<v Speaker 2>body curfew. Why are we talking about putting it on

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<v Speaker 2>taking it off?

0:30:03.960 --> 0:30:06.440
<v Speaker 3>If it works, is there not a reason to leave it?

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<v Speaker 6>Look, excuse me.

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<v Speaker 10>The curfew is brought in because of the failures of

0:30:13.440 --> 0:30:17.480
<v Speaker 10>government after government after government at the federal and territory

0:30:17.560 --> 0:30:20.400
<v Speaker 10>level to dealing with the real issues of what happening

0:30:20.400 --> 0:30:24.840
<v Speaker 10>in these communities out there. You know, the curfew was

0:30:24.880 --> 0:30:27.960
<v Speaker 10>brought on because it is a measure to get control

0:30:28.000 --> 0:30:29.720
<v Speaker 10>of the streets again, and it did that.

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<v Speaker 6>So you're right, we need to keep the curfews.

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<v Speaker 10>Rolling gone and making sure that the streets are safe.

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<v Speaker 6>That's only the beginning. The second part of that is.

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<v Speaker 10>To deal with the real issues of why there are

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<v Speaker 10>problems there, and that is to look at those remote communities,

0:30:45.440 --> 0:30:47.800
<v Speaker 10>look at why they're coming into Alice Springs, look at

0:30:47.800 --> 0:30:50.400
<v Speaker 10>the problems in Alice Springs, and I I've got a

0:30:50.440 --> 0:30:54.040
<v Speaker 10>paper coming out soon about my solution to these one

0:30:54.400 --> 0:30:57.960
<v Speaker 10>get every kid to school percent of the time.

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<v Speaker 6>Get every kid to school.

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<v Speaker 10>And get an education so they have opportunities in life

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<v Speaker 10>to get jobs, to run a business and do things.

0:31:06.840 --> 0:31:09.800
<v Speaker 10>You know, without education, you know, you can't improve your

0:31:09.840 --> 0:31:14.760
<v Speaker 10>situation and can't improve your life too. Get jobs, get

0:31:14.800 --> 0:31:17.640
<v Speaker 10>investment in that. And you can't get jobs and investment

0:31:17.720 --> 0:31:21.560
<v Speaker 10>and businesses going to these places unless you control crime.

0:31:22.080 --> 0:31:27.120
<v Speaker 10>So the second and third part is businesses jobs. The

0:31:27.200 --> 0:31:31.120
<v Speaker 10>third part is get the seats safe, make sure the

0:31:31.160 --> 0:31:34.400
<v Speaker 10>police are out there, support the police in their doing

0:31:34.440 --> 0:31:37.680
<v Speaker 10>their job and making the community safe, and the rule

0:31:37.720 --> 0:31:40.960
<v Speaker 10>of law to be enforced. And the final thing is

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<v Speaker 10>there are more you know, one stage back in the

0:31:43.640 --> 0:31:46.120
<v Speaker 10>eighties there was more money going into Alice Springs and

0:31:46.160 --> 0:31:49.280
<v Speaker 10>the for Aboriginal people than the entire New South Wales.

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<v Speaker 10>So you've got to start asking questions. You know, this

0:31:52.720 --> 0:31:57.440
<v Speaker 10>community is what twenty six thousand people are, So what's

0:31:57.480 --> 0:32:01.120
<v Speaker 10>happened to all that money, what's what? What's the services

0:32:01.160 --> 0:32:03.240
<v Speaker 10>that were paid to do X?

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<v Speaker 6>To fix things? Have they done x? You know? Senator

0:32:07.600 --> 0:32:08.120
<v Speaker 6>sent an.

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<v Speaker 10>Price and send it a little and even supported by

0:32:14.560 --> 0:32:17.400
<v Speaker 10>Senator lydia For put a motion up in Parliament that

0:32:17.440 --> 0:32:21.200
<v Speaker 10>they should have an inquiry, a performers inquiry about where

0:32:21.240 --> 0:32:23.680
<v Speaker 10>the money is gone, has it achieved what it's supposed

0:32:23.680 --> 0:32:26.720
<v Speaker 10>to be doing, because it obviously hasn't, And how do

0:32:26.800 --> 0:32:29.240
<v Speaker 10>we fix all these things? And the Greens and the

0:32:29.320 --> 0:32:33.080
<v Speaker 10>Labor Party and some of the cross benches voted against it.

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<v Speaker 6>It's a common sense approach, you know. I do this

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<v Speaker 6>in business every week.

0:32:37.440 --> 0:32:41.480
<v Speaker 10>Everyone that we do check things out and make sure

0:32:41.520 --> 0:32:42.280
<v Speaker 10>that they're working.

0:32:42.480 --> 0:32:44.240
<v Speaker 6>So they should be doing the same thing.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the problem, Warren Munday, and you talk too much

0:32:48.920 --> 0:32:51.200
<v Speaker 2>common sense. Great to catch up with you, and I

0:32:51.240 --> 0:32:54.719
<v Speaker 2>think your ideas absolutely need to be prosecuted. That's warrem Undine.

0:32:54.720 --> 0:32:57.680
<v Speaker 2>They're plenty to come after the break beach is closed.

0:32:57.680 --> 0:33:01.400
<v Speaker 2>You won't believe this. After an offshore wind herbine crumbles

0:33:01.400 --> 0:33:04.400
<v Speaker 2>into pieces and falls into the sea. Is this what

0:33:04.480 --> 0:33:07.880
<v Speaker 2>we can look forward to under Chris Bowen's Green Dream?

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<v Speaker 3>Plus my panel have joined me up next.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back, Steve Price, Infshari Markson and don't forget of course,

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<v Speaker 2>Donald Trump's addressed to the Republican Convention will be tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 2>You'll be able to see it right here on Sky Live.

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<v Speaker 2>I presume it'll be about the surround about the same

0:33:28.440 --> 0:33:31.680
<v Speaker 2>time as Jodie Vance spoke today, which was somewhere between

0:33:31.840 --> 0:33:35.800
<v Speaker 2>eleven am and midday Eastern time in Australia. So that'll

0:33:35.840 --> 0:33:37.920
<v Speaker 2>be live here on Sky It's going to be fascinating

0:33:38.280 --> 0:33:41.160
<v Speaker 2>to see what mood he brings to that speech. Let's

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<v Speaker 2>bring in tonight's panel. Joining me is National Affairs editor

0:33:44.240 --> 0:33:48.200
<v Speaker 2>at the Australian newspaper Joe Kelly and commentator and my

0:33:48.280 --> 0:33:50.959
<v Speaker 2>old mate Jason Morrison. Great to have you both with us.

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<v Speaker 2>Can I ask you, Joe first, what did you make

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<v Speaker 2>of JD.

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<v Speaker 3>Vance today?

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<v Speaker 12>Well, look, I didn't see j D. Vans today, Steve,

0:34:01.440 --> 0:34:07.200
<v Speaker 12>but I think that he's very aligned with a lot

0:34:07.200 --> 0:34:10.480
<v Speaker 12>of the trumpest philosophy, even though he may have had

0:34:11.040 --> 0:34:16.520
<v Speaker 12>initial concerns, particularly when it comes to foreign policy. I

0:34:16.560 --> 0:34:19.480
<v Speaker 12>think that there are risks though with him, and I

0:34:19.520 --> 0:34:26.440
<v Speaker 12>think the questions about divisiveness in American society, and I

0:34:26.440 --> 0:34:29.759
<v Speaker 12>think one of the ways we saw that was when

0:34:30.080 --> 0:34:35.000
<v Speaker 12>jd Vance, following the attempted assassination on Donald Trump, put

0:34:35.080 --> 0:34:38.560
<v Speaker 12>the blame squarely at the feet of the Democrats and

0:34:38.640 --> 0:34:41.319
<v Speaker 12>Joe Biden for their rhetoric. Now, I think some of

0:34:41.360 --> 0:34:45.160
<v Speaker 12>the criticism of Donald Trump was over the top, but

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<v Speaker 12>I think that comment, which in large part I think

0:34:47.800 --> 0:34:52.040
<v Speaker 12>helped seal jd Vance for that vice presidential pick for

0:34:52.120 --> 0:34:57.480
<v Speaker 12>Donald Trump, was quite divisive, and his selection is very revealing.

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<v Speaker 12>I believe Steve.

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<v Speaker 2>Jason, europe and News junkie, you would have seen a

0:35:02.640 --> 0:35:03.400
<v Speaker 2>bit of it today.

0:35:03.480 --> 0:35:04.800
<v Speaker 3>He started slowly.

0:35:04.880 --> 0:35:06.640
<v Speaker 2>I thought, I thought he might have been a bit

0:35:06.680 --> 0:35:09.360
<v Speaker 2>more of a firecracker, but like all good speakers, he

0:35:09.440 --> 0:35:11.719
<v Speaker 2>wound up. I thought he ended pretty well. It was

0:35:11.760 --> 0:35:15.080
<v Speaker 2>a lot of emotion there. His mother, who he's described

0:35:15.080 --> 0:35:18.759
<v Speaker 2>as having historically a drug addiction problem.

0:35:18.440 --> 0:35:22.160
<v Speaker 3>She was in the audience. It was very US, very American.

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<v Speaker 5>It was. It's a remarkable story.

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<v Speaker 13>And you know, for all that is said, you look

0:35:26.880 --> 0:35:30.400
<v Speaker 13>in the history of nations, including our own, we're shaped

0:35:30.440 --> 0:35:32.520
<v Speaker 13>in better times by people who are prepared to put

0:35:32.560 --> 0:35:33.319
<v Speaker 13>their lives.

0:35:33.000 --> 0:35:34.360
<v Speaker 5>On the line for their country.

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<v Speaker 13>And I think that's something that has been missing a

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<v Speaker 13>lot in American politics for a long time, probably not

0:35:40.160 --> 0:35:41.759
<v Speaker 13>enough of them in the Senate, enough of them in

0:35:41.800 --> 0:35:44.640
<v Speaker 13>the reps, and in Australia a similar story.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't have a problem at all with the man's background.

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<v Speaker 13>In fact, I think that kind of you know, we

0:35:49.320 --> 0:35:53.000
<v Speaker 13>hear diversity thrown around this as the word of the moment.

0:35:53.440 --> 0:35:54.360
<v Speaker 5>That is diversity.

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<v Speaker 13>Someone who's come from a rotten upbringing, has brought themselves

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<v Speaker 13>through the walls of it and then gone to serve

0:36:00.520 --> 0:36:02.080
<v Speaker 13>the country and now putting the hell up to do

0:36:02.120 --> 0:36:02.520
<v Speaker 13>it again.

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<v Speaker 5>I think it's amazing. And you can say what.

0:36:04.920 --> 0:36:07.760
<v Speaker 13>You like about the man's politics, and he's speaking capabilities.

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<v Speaker 5>He'll connect with.

0:36:08.560 --> 0:36:10.239
<v Speaker 13>A lot of Americans at the time when a lot

0:36:10.280 --> 0:36:11.440
<v Speaker 13>of Americans need connection.

0:36:13.680 --> 0:36:16.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and he speaks honestly about that background. He's not

0:36:17.120 --> 0:36:19.960
<v Speaker 2>using it. I don't think, you know, as a self promotion.

0:36:20.080 --> 0:36:22.440
<v Speaker 2>He talks about how mates of his who he went

0:36:22.480 --> 0:36:25.839
<v Speaker 2>to high school with they ended up being junkies and

0:36:26.000 --> 0:36:30.839
<v Speaker 2>died overdosing on drugs. You know, you can take the

0:36:30.960 --> 0:36:32.560
<v Speaker 2>road to the left or the road to the right,

0:36:32.680 --> 0:36:36.320
<v Speaker 2>not politically, but you can make yourself a better person.

0:36:36.360 --> 0:36:38.239
<v Speaker 2>You can go and join the Marines. You can fight

0:36:38.280 --> 0:36:40.600
<v Speaker 2>for your country, you can become good enough to go

0:36:40.640 --> 0:36:42.520
<v Speaker 2>to Yale Law School and then you run your own

0:36:42.600 --> 0:36:46.040
<v Speaker 2>venture capitalist business. I mean, Joe, They're the sort of

0:36:46.080 --> 0:36:50.360
<v Speaker 2>people I mean, put to one side, perhaps some of

0:36:50.400 --> 0:36:53.719
<v Speaker 2>his more sor the right views, they're the sort of

0:36:53.719 --> 0:36:57.839
<v Speaker 2>people you're wanting politics. You look at the people occupying

0:36:57.880 --> 0:37:00.920
<v Speaker 2>political jobs in Australia these days and you know, on

0:37:00.960 --> 0:37:03.680
<v Speaker 2>the Labor side most of them have been worked their

0:37:03.680 --> 0:37:07.040
<v Speaker 2>way up through the Labor Party and those on the

0:37:07.080 --> 0:37:09.520
<v Speaker 2>Liberal side are either lawyers. Doton's a bit of an

0:37:09.520 --> 0:37:11.959
<v Speaker 2>exception being a copper, but we don't have enough real

0:37:12.000 --> 0:37:13.719
<v Speaker 2>life experience in our parliament.

0:37:14.880 --> 0:37:18.600
<v Speaker 12>Well, I think that's right, Steve. I think this goes

0:37:18.640 --> 0:37:22.760
<v Speaker 12>to that idea of American exceptionalism, America being the land

0:37:22.800 --> 0:37:29.080
<v Speaker 12>of opportunity and making something of yourself. And in terms

0:37:29.160 --> 0:37:33.239
<v Speaker 12>of Australia's political system, I think that we see far

0:37:33.320 --> 0:37:38.360
<v Speaker 12>too many politicians essentially being products of their respective political machines,

0:37:39.320 --> 0:37:43.080
<v Speaker 12>so being staffers or indeed on the later side of politics,

0:37:43.120 --> 0:37:47.720
<v Speaker 12>just simply coming up through the union movement. And the

0:37:48.000 --> 0:37:53.080
<v Speaker 12>lack of outside experience I think is something that voters

0:37:53.080 --> 0:37:55.920
<v Speaker 12>are aware of I think they like a sense of

0:37:56.000 --> 0:38:02.000
<v Speaker 12>authenticity and they like Australians who have real world experience,

0:38:02.040 --> 0:38:04.200
<v Speaker 12>and I do think that is something that is slowly

0:38:04.280 --> 0:38:06.800
<v Speaker 12>missing from Australian politics at the moment.

0:38:08.040 --> 0:38:11.120
<v Speaker 13>Hey, Steve, I'm Jason about this talk about Yeah, I

0:38:11.120 --> 0:38:13.680
<v Speaker 13>was just going to say, in Australian politics people with

0:38:13.760 --> 0:38:15.359
<v Speaker 13>real world experience are about as.

0:38:15.280 --> 0:38:19.080
<v Speaker 5>Scarce as astronauts. It's a joke and that is desperately

0:38:19.080 --> 0:38:19.600
<v Speaker 5>what we need.

0:38:19.680 --> 0:38:22.800
<v Speaker 13>And Trump's brand is an outsider and He's brought another

0:38:22.880 --> 0:38:23.799
<v Speaker 13>outsider into it.

0:38:23.840 --> 0:38:24.880
<v Speaker 5>I think it's fantastic.

0:38:26.640 --> 0:38:29.759
<v Speaker 2>Let's talk about the CFMMEU. Jason, you've been around long enough.

0:38:29.800 --> 0:38:32.640
<v Speaker 2>You and I both have been in television radio wherever

0:38:32.960 --> 0:38:37.120
<v Speaker 2>we've covered union stories, standover tactics, you know, concrete pause

0:38:37.160 --> 0:38:39.760
<v Speaker 2>that get interrupted at nine o'clock in the morning because

0:38:39.960 --> 0:38:42.320
<v Speaker 2>the done he doesn't work on a CFMEU side of

0:38:42.400 --> 0:38:44.840
<v Speaker 2>what else? We can give a million examples. How is

0:38:44.840 --> 0:38:47.920
<v Speaker 2>it that no labor politician in the whole country had

0:38:47.920 --> 0:38:50.279
<v Speaker 2>ever heard about the fact that the CFME MEU might

0:38:50.320 --> 0:38:50.800
<v Speaker 2>be crook.

0:38:51.840 --> 0:38:55.040
<v Speaker 13>Follow the money, follow the vote, simple as that they

0:38:55.080 --> 0:38:57.880
<v Speaker 13>need the votes, the support of the CFMU types to

0:38:57.920 --> 0:38:59.799
<v Speaker 13>get to their roles and then the.

0:38:59.760 --> 0:39:02.200
<v Speaker 5>Money to stay in power. That's the answer.

0:39:02.280 --> 0:39:05.520
<v Speaker 13>It's sick and this kind of I can't believe it

0:39:05.520 --> 0:39:08.600
<v Speaker 13>when watching Sally McManus kind of carry on like.

0:39:08.560 --> 0:39:11.480
<v Speaker 5>I just never knew it was this bad. Really, Like

0:39:11.520 --> 0:39:12.920
<v Speaker 5>what channel you been watching?

0:39:13.160 --> 0:39:15.319
<v Speaker 13>Even the ABC has been telling you for a while,

0:39:15.360 --> 0:39:18.640
<v Speaker 13>has been pretty shit house. It is extraordinary that this

0:39:18.680 --> 0:39:21.600
<v Speaker 13>has become for most people in politics, a week of

0:39:21.640 --> 0:39:25.520
<v Speaker 13>awakening rubbish. Everyone knows what's been going on. It's been

0:39:25.560 --> 0:39:28.080
<v Speaker 13>going on for a very very long time. And all

0:39:28.120 --> 0:39:32.160
<v Speaker 13>those things you've talked about, they are commonplace, and they

0:39:32.200 --> 0:39:35.160
<v Speaker 13>go through waves of being kind of controlled and whatever,

0:39:35.200 --> 0:39:37.040
<v Speaker 13>perhaps when the governments are in or out and the

0:39:37.120 --> 0:39:39.400
<v Speaker 13>labors at the back benches and whatever else. But the

0:39:39.440 --> 0:39:43.200
<v Speaker 13>whole joke of it is that every person in that house,

0:39:43.400 --> 0:39:45.800
<v Speaker 13>on the labor side knows this game.

0:39:46.239 --> 0:39:48.239
<v Speaker 5>And to be pretending otherwise.

0:39:48.160 --> 0:39:51.319
<v Speaker 13>I mean, really, do you think we're all We've got

0:39:51.360 --> 0:39:53.000
<v Speaker 13>manure idea in between our ears?

0:39:53.080 --> 0:39:53.839
<v Speaker 5>Is that what you think?

0:39:55.840 --> 0:39:56.200
<v Speaker 3>Joe?

0:39:56.320 --> 0:39:59.200
<v Speaker 2>What did you make of Tony burkein and the prime

0:39:59.200 --> 0:40:00.640
<v Speaker 2>ministers react to this?

0:40:03.239 --> 0:40:07.759
<v Speaker 12>Well, look, I think there's a very deep level of irony,

0:40:08.120 --> 0:40:13.640
<v Speaker 12>But perhaps hypocrisy is a better word. Steve alban Easy

0:40:13.760 --> 0:40:17.879
<v Speaker 12>and Labor were elected partly on a platform of integrity.

0:40:18.200 --> 0:40:21.719
<v Speaker 12>We're going to do things differently, We'll change politics, will

0:40:21.719 --> 0:40:24.800
<v Speaker 12>clean the place up. So they got into government and

0:40:24.840 --> 0:40:27.560
<v Speaker 12>they established a National Anti Corruption Commission, but at the

0:40:27.600 --> 0:40:31.319
<v Speaker 12>same time they decided that they were they were going

0:40:31.360 --> 0:40:34.240
<v Speaker 12>to remove the Australian Building and Construction Commission, the tough

0:40:34.560 --> 0:40:38.000
<v Speaker 12>cop on the beat in the building sector. And then

0:40:38.120 --> 0:40:41.960
<v Speaker 12>they decided that they would reward the union movement by

0:40:42.040 --> 0:40:47.400
<v Speaker 12>passing a whole series of industrial relations reforms giving the

0:40:47.480 --> 0:40:52.000
<v Speaker 12>unions exactly what they wanted, changing right of entry arrangements,

0:40:52.040 --> 0:40:57.160
<v Speaker 12>the definition of casuals, labor higher arrangements. So I think

0:40:57.200 --> 0:41:00.040
<v Speaker 12>that there is a very deep level of hypocrisy and

0:41:00.080 --> 0:41:02.880
<v Speaker 12>irony to this. I agree with Jason's comments that I

0:41:02.920 --> 0:41:05.839
<v Speaker 12>don't think really anybody you know on the labor side

0:41:05.880 --> 0:41:08.520
<v Speaker 12>of politics could have been surprised by any of this.

0:41:08.880 --> 0:41:10.759
<v Speaker 12>And I think what it does is it shines a

0:41:10.840 --> 0:41:14.840
<v Speaker 12>spotlight on the fact that Labor has only promised to

0:41:15.320 --> 0:41:19.560
<v Speaker 12>or take an action to fight corruption in areas convenient

0:41:19.640 --> 0:41:23.040
<v Speaker 12>for them, and they have delivered in spades for the

0:41:23.120 --> 0:41:28.440
<v Speaker 12>union movement, including the CFMEU, since they were elected to government.

0:41:30.440 --> 0:41:33.000
<v Speaker 2>Jason, knowing you were coming on tonight, I.

0:41:32.960 --> 0:41:35.400
<v Speaker 3>Deliberately searched out this story.

0:41:35.440 --> 0:41:38.040
<v Speaker 2>We've got a beach in the United States rolls to

0:41:38.160 --> 0:41:42.680
<v Speaker 2>close you can't swim in summertime because a giant offshore

0:41:42.800 --> 0:41:48.200
<v Speaker 2>wind turbine blade broke off, smashed itself apart, and were

0:41:48.480 --> 0:41:52.000
<v Speaker 2>washed ashore. And we're worried little Johnny or little Jenny

0:41:52.040 --> 0:41:53.920
<v Speaker 2>are going to step on the blade on the bottom

0:41:53.960 --> 0:41:54.560
<v Speaker 2>of the ocean.

0:41:54.960 --> 0:41:56.440
<v Speaker 3>This is unbelievable.

0:41:56.920 --> 0:41:59.480
<v Speaker 5>Yes, comedy stuff, isn't it comedy?

0:41:59.520 --> 0:42:01.879
<v Speaker 13>But you know that scene has coming to a beach

0:42:01.960 --> 0:42:06.440
<v Speaker 13>near you in eastern Australia because the genius Chris Bowen

0:42:06.680 --> 0:42:08.239
<v Speaker 13>has exactly that plan.

0:42:08.080 --> 0:42:10.240
<v Speaker 5>For offshore New South Wales at the moment.

0:42:10.640 --> 0:42:13.440
<v Speaker 13>And in case you think that the windmills in America

0:42:13.520 --> 0:42:16.520
<v Speaker 13>are big, you ain't seen nothing yet, because the ones

0:42:16.560 --> 0:42:19.200
<v Speaker 13>coming for the East coast of Australia down south off

0:42:19.320 --> 0:42:24.399
<v Speaker 13>Coyama and off the Hunter area of Newcastle as high

0:42:24.400 --> 0:42:27.080
<v Speaker 13>as the Barangaroo Tower the size of it. They're going

0:42:27.120 --> 0:42:30.640
<v Speaker 13>to be sitting on barges floating chain to the seafloor,

0:42:31.640 --> 0:42:33.799
<v Speaker 13>with chain links on the chains that are as big

0:42:33.800 --> 0:42:34.600
<v Speaker 13>as I am tall.

0:42:35.840 --> 0:42:37.120
<v Speaker 5>This is madness.

0:42:37.480 --> 0:42:40.279
<v Speaker 13>This is madness from a country there's got coal. This

0:42:40.440 --> 0:42:41.279
<v Speaker 13>is madness from.

0:42:41.200 --> 0:42:42.720
<v Speaker 5>A country that's got gas.

0:42:42.920 --> 0:42:45.719
<v Speaker 13>This is madness from a country that exports uranium to

0:42:45.760 --> 0:42:48.520
<v Speaker 13>the world to generate power. We've got all this stuff

0:42:48.840 --> 0:42:52.920
<v Speaker 13>and we're committed to these fruit loop ideas of putting

0:42:52.960 --> 0:42:55.440
<v Speaker 13>these things here. And yeah, you know what you've got

0:42:55.480 --> 0:42:58.319
<v Speaker 13>there in America with the polluted beaches from the bits

0:42:58.360 --> 0:43:00.480
<v Speaker 13>and pieces, that's only half the story, not to mention

0:43:00.560 --> 0:43:02.360
<v Speaker 13>the mangle birds and everything they're flying and.

0:43:02.360 --> 0:43:03.160
<v Speaker 5>Out of these things.

0:43:03.760 --> 0:43:07.600
<v Speaker 13>It is comedy stuff, yet it's Commonwealth government policy.

0:43:08.080 --> 0:43:08.839
<v Speaker 5>Explain that.

0:43:10.560 --> 0:43:11.360
<v Speaker 3>I knew you'd love it.

0:43:11.480 --> 0:43:14.640
<v Speaker 2>Joe Bowen was at the Press Club yesterday and he

0:43:14.880 --> 0:43:17.520
<v Speaker 2>endorsed this idea that you'd be able to get your

0:43:17.520 --> 0:43:20.719
<v Speaker 2>electric vehicle at home, plug it into your house and

0:43:20.800 --> 0:43:24.000
<v Speaker 2>keep your lights on and then export the power that

0:43:24.040 --> 0:43:26.320
<v Speaker 2>you've got left over back into the grid.

0:43:26.480 --> 0:43:27.600
<v Speaker 3>Is this bloke serious?

0:43:30.040 --> 0:43:34.120
<v Speaker 12>Well, these are the sorts of policies that labor has

0:43:34.200 --> 0:43:39.360
<v Speaker 12>to pursue, Steve. So they're caught between two worlds. On gas,

0:43:39.840 --> 0:43:43.759
<v Speaker 12>they are opposed to nuclear. We have qualifired power stations

0:43:44.160 --> 0:43:50.600
<v Speaker 12>preparing to exit from service. So Australia has systematically destroyed

0:43:50.640 --> 0:43:55.360
<v Speaker 12>its comparative advantage and energy policy and Labour's solution is

0:43:55.400 --> 0:43:59.120
<v Speaker 12>to focus on renewables. So Chris Bowen's big initiative since

0:43:59.160 --> 0:44:02.280
<v Speaker 12>he came to government, and he's had a huge influence

0:44:02.360 --> 0:44:05.440
<v Speaker 12>over the character of this government. His big initiative is

0:44:05.480 --> 0:44:09.840
<v Speaker 12>for a five fold increase in renewable energy by twenty thirty.

0:44:10.520 --> 0:44:15.759
<v Speaker 12>So increasingly there'll be real life practical differences and the

0:44:15.760 --> 0:44:17.560
<v Speaker 12>way people will be living from day to day.

0:44:17.800 --> 0:44:19.120
<v Speaker 5>And Chris Bowen has just.

0:44:19.080 --> 0:44:21.560
<v Speaker 12>Given Australians a practical example of that.

0:44:21.840 --> 0:44:25.560
<v Speaker 2>It's just it's just not going to happen. Jason Morrison, joke,

0:44:26.040 --> 0:44:28.879
<v Speaker 2>Joe Kelly. I appreciate you both joining us tonight. Thanks

0:44:29.000 --> 0:44:31.959
<v Speaker 2>very much. Having to have a good weekend now coming

0:44:32.000 --> 0:44:35.200
<v Speaker 2>up after the break one in tent. This is a

0:44:35.239 --> 0:44:37.520
<v Speaker 2>real crisis point for the hospitality industry.

0:44:37.680 --> 0:44:38.959
<v Speaker 3>It's being revealed.

0:44:38.640 --> 0:44:41.399
<v Speaker 2>One in ten cafes are going to go broke over

0:44:41.440 --> 0:44:42.040
<v Speaker 2>the coming year.

0:44:42.080 --> 0:44:43.040
<v Speaker 3>We'll have that up next.

0:44:48.239 --> 0:44:50.600
<v Speaker 2>Welcome back to Steve Price in for Shari James Morrow

0:44:50.760 --> 0:44:52.320
<v Speaker 2>will be in for Paul Murray at the top of

0:44:52.320 --> 0:44:54.680
<v Speaker 2>the hour. I keep saying cost of living crisis is

0:44:54.719 --> 0:44:57.920
<v Speaker 2>the biggest issue in Australia. It certainly is that's what

0:44:57.960 --> 0:45:01.160
<v Speaker 2>the next election will be fought over. Worrying data released

0:45:01.160 --> 0:45:04.239
<v Speaker 2>today by creditor Watch has forecasts at almost one in

0:45:04.320 --> 0:45:08.000
<v Speaker 2>ten cafes, coffee shops and restaurants is tipped to go

0:45:08.080 --> 0:45:10.880
<v Speaker 2>broke be closed over the coming twelve months. Joining me

0:45:11.080 --> 0:45:15.240
<v Speaker 2>to discuss this, chief economist at creditor Watch, Anika Thompson, Anka,

0:45:15.760 --> 0:45:18.839
<v Speaker 2>great research. You just need to walk around your own

0:45:18.920 --> 0:45:21.440
<v Speaker 2>suburb and you can see that happening. I mean I

0:45:21.560 --> 0:45:24.120
<v Speaker 2>walk up and down the dan and On Road end

0:45:24.120 --> 0:45:27.640
<v Speaker 2>of Chapel Street and there's more empty shopfronts than there

0:45:27.480 --> 0:45:31.400
<v Speaker 2>are ones that are open. Yeah, that's right, Steve.

0:45:31.440 --> 0:45:34.840
<v Speaker 11>But what the cafe and restaurant sector is really experiencing

0:45:34.880 --> 0:45:38.960
<v Speaker 11>now is a perfect storm of factors and unfortunately all

0:45:38.960 --> 0:45:41.680
<v Speaker 11>negative factors here in them. They've got high intrast rates,

0:45:41.719 --> 0:45:45.799
<v Speaker 11>which is impacting consumer demand and discretionary spending. But at

0:45:45.840 --> 0:45:49.160
<v Speaker 11>the same time, the utilities bills are increasing, their rents

0:45:49.200 --> 0:45:53.640
<v Speaker 11>are increasing, and their labor costs are increasing. So they've

0:45:53.680 --> 0:45:57.080
<v Speaker 11>got costs increasing at the same time as demand is slowing,

0:45:57.120 --> 0:45:59.839
<v Speaker 11>and that's really having a shocking impact in the rest

0:45:59.840 --> 0:46:01.080
<v Speaker 11>of on a cafe sector.

0:46:00.840 --> 0:46:05.000
<v Speaker 2>At the moment, I think you you might be a

0:46:05.040 --> 0:46:08.399
<v Speaker 2>little optimistic. I mean I'm not an economist like you,

0:46:08.440 --> 0:46:10.719
<v Speaker 2>but I would have thought one in ten might be

0:46:11.719 --> 0:46:14.600
<v Speaker 2>a good news story. I think it might be higher.

0:46:16.360 --> 0:46:19.439
<v Speaker 11>Well, it'll be you know, it'll vary across. This isn't

0:46:19.440 --> 0:46:22.319
<v Speaker 11>Australian wide figure that we're giving here, and very you know,

0:46:22.440 --> 0:46:24.920
<v Speaker 11>depending on whether you're looking at CBD or regional areas.

0:46:24.920 --> 0:46:29.280
<v Speaker 11>We're actually seeing regional areas perform better than some CBD

0:46:29.520 --> 0:46:32.839
<v Speaker 11>areas and inner city areas. Instent areas really stuff are

0:46:32.840 --> 0:46:35.680
<v Speaker 11>because of high rents, whereas some of those areas and

0:46:35.719 --> 0:46:41.360
<v Speaker 11>regional locations can can sort of get through this because

0:46:41.360 --> 0:46:42.120
<v Speaker 11>their rents.

0:46:41.800 --> 0:46:42.359
<v Speaker 3>Some as high.

0:46:42.560 --> 0:46:45.440
<v Speaker 11>So you're right, like if you're walking downtown on Road

0:46:45.480 --> 0:46:47.880
<v Speaker 11>in Chapel Street, you might see more than one in

0:46:47.960 --> 0:46:51.000
<v Speaker 11>ten shops closing, your cafes and restaurants closing. Then you

0:46:51.040 --> 0:46:52.920
<v Speaker 11>wouldn't say a regional area.

0:46:55.239 --> 0:46:57.600
<v Speaker 2>Well, you're in the in the once great city of Melbourne.

0:46:57.600 --> 0:47:00.279
<v Speaker 2>I mean, part of the problem for these business is

0:47:01.080 --> 0:47:03.760
<v Speaker 2>that we had the biggest lockdowns during COVID in twenty

0:47:03.800 --> 0:47:08.520
<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty twenty one. The CBD as you'd know, and

0:47:08.600 --> 0:47:11.360
<v Speaker 2>it could got hollowed out, and a lot of the

0:47:11.400 --> 0:47:15.760
<v Speaker 2>businesses and particularly government departments where public servants work, they've

0:47:15.800 --> 0:47:17.960
<v Speaker 2>not been forced to come back into the office. They're

0:47:17.960 --> 0:47:21.040
<v Speaker 2>still allowed one or two days, maybe even three days

0:47:21.080 --> 0:47:23.760
<v Speaker 2>a week to work from home. And so those little

0:47:23.800 --> 0:47:27.560
<v Speaker 2>cafes suddenly, you know, probably only got twenty or thirty

0:47:27.560 --> 0:47:29.880
<v Speaker 2>percent of the business they had pre COVID.

0:47:31.640 --> 0:47:31.839
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:47:32.000 --> 0:47:35.680
<v Speaker 11>Right, Melbourne's CBD has certainly seen less foot traffic come

0:47:35.719 --> 0:47:39.239
<v Speaker 11>back in terms of office workers during the week. So

0:47:39.880 --> 0:47:42.800
<v Speaker 11>what's happened is restaurants and cafes have seen just a

0:47:42.880 --> 0:47:48.040
<v Speaker 11>structural change in the way their customers you know, shop

0:47:48.040 --> 0:47:51.920
<v Speaker 11>at they'll enter their premises. So in Melbourne's CBDs you're

0:47:51.920 --> 0:47:55.200
<v Speaker 11>talking about specifically, you'd have less traffic during the week,

0:47:55.880 --> 0:47:59.960
<v Speaker 11>but at nighttime and weekends you'd be still quite busy.

0:48:00.120 --> 0:48:02.719
<v Speaker 11>But the problem is labor costs a lot more at

0:48:02.840 --> 0:48:06.000
<v Speaker 11>nighttime and that weekend, so it sort of doesn't help

0:48:06.080 --> 0:48:09.560
<v Speaker 11>your cash flow. You know, they're still experiencing a lot

0:48:09.600 --> 0:48:13.239
<v Speaker 11>of pain because of that weekday trade is much lower

0:48:13.280 --> 0:48:14.360
<v Speaker 11>than it was pre COVID.

0:48:17.320 --> 0:48:19.759
<v Speaker 2>Well, Anika, thank you very much for joining us. You're

0:48:19.960 --> 0:48:23.080
<v Speaker 2>absolutely correct. Thanks for joining us tonight. I must say

0:48:23.120 --> 0:48:25.759
<v Speaker 2>I was talking to a restaurant owner who owns a

0:48:25.920 --> 0:48:30.120
<v Speaker 2>number of restaurants in Melbourne, and he's paying up to

0:48:30.440 --> 0:48:34.400
<v Speaker 2>sixty seventy dollars an hour to his barista. You know,

0:48:34.480 --> 0:48:37.120
<v Speaker 2>if you've got to pay all your wages on top

0:48:37.160 --> 0:48:40.040
<v Speaker 2>of that, that makes it even worse. Don't forget live

0:48:40.120 --> 0:48:43.680
<v Speaker 2>coverage of the Republican Convention tomorrow on Sky from seven

0:48:43.719 --> 0:48:46.320
<v Speaker 2>in the morning. I think Donald Trump will probably speak

0:48:46.760 --> 0:48:49.800
<v Speaker 2>at around about eleven eleven thirty. That's when he'll speak.

0:48:49.960 --> 0:48:56.040
<v Speaker 2>James Morrow in tonight for Paul Murray