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Speaker 1: The big Footy issues from every angle, dissected by a

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Speaker 1: team that follows the game closer than anyone else wherever

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Speaker 1: you are around the planet. This is your ultimate guide

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Speaker 1: to the AFL. This is the Fox Footy Podcast.

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Speaker 2: We are so back for an eleventh season of the

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Speaker 2: Fox Footy Podcast, and with less than two weeks before

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Speaker 2: opening round or Round zero, as every single coach in

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Speaker 2: the league refers to it, the game's sharpest minds are

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Speaker 2: starting to piece together their predictions for the twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: sixth season. Will go inside the mind of our power

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Speaker 2: rankings expert ahead of a monster article release imminently and

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Speaker 2: off the back of nine match simulations, we will pull

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Speaker 2: out some almighty overreactions to get you in the hot

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Speaker 2: take mood ahead of another big year. On the Fox

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Speaker 2: Footy Podcast, Ben Mordiweth with you, as is the Australian

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Speaker 2: Open Night our himself Max Lawton back for another season.

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Speaker 2: Hello Maxie, So.

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Speaker 3: You say that, Ben? And then the one night. Basically

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Speaker 3: I didn't work the semi finals, which were the two

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Speaker 3: it was an interesting tournament. Interesting time and I think

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Speaker 3: you know, I just want to say before we start,

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Speaker 3: ben there's a really big topic in footy that is

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Speaker 3: close to my heart. It's going to impact tens of

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Speaker 3: thousands of footy fans and some of the biggest games

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Speaker 3: of the year. This year, the trains to the MCG

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Speaker 3: you can't go to Richmond station anymore.

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Speaker 3: Through the Metro tunnel, so you can't go to Richmond.

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Speaker 3: So just I want to warn anyone listening you're going

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Speaker 3: to learn this and opening round or round one, or

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Speaker 3: That's going to This's going to be a story.

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Speaker 2: Just you wait, right, I'll look forward to that. Five

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Speaker 2: Benning questions I reckon in the aftermath of that. Also,

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Speaker 2: as he's the number one ticket holder on the Sam

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Speaker 2: Lawler bandwagon. Jack Joevenovski Hello JJ, Yes, Hello, that is me.

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Speaker 4: Good to be here for the back of some really

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Speaker 4: enthralling match sims across this last week, including my beloved

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Speaker 2: You match simmed out?

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Speaker 4: it was definitely good to get back into the swing

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Speaker 4: of things. Good to cover all the games. There's obviously

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Speaker 3: My girlfriend was very confused because she didn't think that

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Speaker 2: Yes, good afternoon, the cat who know doubt we'll be

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Speaker 2: listening to this podcast. And just a couple of points

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Speaker 2: There was there's one song where the only English words

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Speaker 3: What is love is a great song. I could speak

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Speaker 2: There you have it, hey, Well, an annual thing that

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Speaker 2: Is there's always we always talk about at the Fox

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Speaker 3: I think that's fair. I think they're going to be

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Speaker 3: the Western Bulldogs. Bulldogs are still highly rate the Bulldogs.

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Speaker 2: So Jack, you watch both the Dogs and the Swans

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Speaker 2: Any what about teams that might or are in danger

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Speaker 2: we know this is a different Gelong team and has

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Speaker 2: been for a number of years and now they've regenerated

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Speaker 2: beautifully after that twenty twenty two premiership. Are there any

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Speaker 2: teams in danger of dropping out from your perspective, Well, the.

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Speaker 3: Good thing is that with the expansion to a top ten,

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Speaker 3: and let's be clear, it's not a wild card, it's

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Speaker 3: just a top ten, we have a top ten finals.

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Speaker 3: Now I can keep last year's top ten. It's the

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Speaker 3: same top ten. And I feel bad because you usually

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Speaker 3: being that conservative in ladder predicting season is a folly.

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Speaker 3: But as I said, I don't see who's making that leap.

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Speaker 3: So I have Collingwood and GWS ninth and tenth. That

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Speaker 3: would still involve them getting into these wildcard finals, still

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Speaker 3: injury thing. I already thought they were going to decline

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Speaker 2: Any teams Jack you're concerned about that might be in

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Speaker 4: I tend to agree with Max. I think Collingwood's the

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Speaker 3: I reckon, I had them eighth before the injuries, and

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Speaker 2: What about down the bottom end of of the ladder.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I didn't like our North Melbourne's defense looked

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Speaker 3: But the defense looks so flawed. We don't know as

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Speaker 3: They were better than people thought last year. They had

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Speaker 3: don't think they're going to improve because they have deliberately

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Speaker 2: Just from a well, I'm just looking back at an

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Speaker 2: Klyako comes in at number three because it is very

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's clearly a massive year. I think the improvement

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Speaker 2: What about the Blues, MAXI before we move on to

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Speaker 2: some matchim talking points, and the Blues beat the reigning premiers,

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Speaker 3: Out the Wizard Cups, the Precession Champs. Well, I think

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Speaker 2: Let's just quickly reflect on the match sims. So we

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think clearly in terms of the jumping. The

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Speaker 5: I guess around the ground because of the between the

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Speaker 5: arcs rules, whether I guess the lack of or the

435
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Speaker 5: reduction in ruck contests really makes much of a difference.

436
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Speaker 4: And then I guess in turn would effect whether two

437
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Speaker 4: rucks are needed. I just think it's interesting. I think

438
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Speaker 4: for a team like Richmond, for example, you've got Nan

439
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Speaker 4: Curvis and you've not got that much else in terms

440
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Speaker 4: of like a second ruck. Ever since they let Ivan

441
00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:20,000
Speaker 4: solo goes, for certain teams, it's going to be a

442
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Speaker 4: season long puzzle to sort of work out amongst them.

443
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Speaker 4: And obviously, like you say, a lot of these types,

444
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Speaker 4: you aren't as well known that clubs are going to

445
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Speaker 4: get a go.

446
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Speaker 3: If this becomes a big thing and actually really impacts

447
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Speaker 3: the season, this would be one of the reasons in

448
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Speaker 3: Kilda makes finals.

449
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Speaker 2: I think Marshall did look good on Wednesday night.

450
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Speaker 3: And Deconic is perfect for this as the athletic guy,

451
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Speaker 3: and Marshall we know he works well on the two

452
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Speaker 3: rucks set up. Last finals win came in the year

453
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Speaker 3: when Paddy Ryder was there with him and that worked

454
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Speaker 3: really well for them too in twenty twenty. So I

455
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Speaker 3: can absolutely see that bigger reason the Saints surprising people.

456
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Speaker 4: And even Marshall, he's those slouch in terms of athleticism,

457
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Speaker 4: like he can really get up. I completely agree. I

458
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Speaker 4: think they're really well placed there.

459
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Speaker 2: I was just taken aback by the pickets and during

460
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Speaker 2: this Friday Matt Sinemer and I understand it was an

461
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Speaker 2: eighty point win for the D's and we don't read

462
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Speaker 2: massively into it. You know, North Melbourne was poor and

463
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Speaker 2: Michael Barlow said said as much in the aftermath in

464
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Speaker 2: his press conference. The North Melbourn assistant coach and the

465
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Speaker 2: D's are not going to be beating too many teams

466
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Speaker 2: by eighty points this season, but there is a genuine

467
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Speaker 2: exciting I was trying to think of the most exciting

468
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Speaker 2: family duo in the same team in recent times, and

469
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Speaker 2: I think the Pickets are as the most exciting family

470
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Speaker 2: duo in the same team since the Burgoyns Peter Berger

471
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Speaker 2: and Sean bergo And were racking up the footy back

472
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Speaker 2: in the golden era of Port Adelaide. But there is

473
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Speaker 2: something seriously special about the Latrell Pickett joining kase I

474
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Speaker 2: Picket in the same Melbourne side.

475
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Speaker 3: Maxie harsh On camon Zach Guthrie clearly very exciting for

476
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Speaker 3: Melbourne and Pickett is I think you and a grader

477
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Speaker 3: based on what he showed last year, proper full time midfielder,

478
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Speaker 3: probably maybe Melbourne's best player if Max Gorn takes any

479
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Speaker 3: sort of step back, So that's very exciting, and I

480
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Speaker 3: think he had already resigned, but you know, adding Latrell

481
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Speaker 3: doesn't hurt. I saw Latroll Mitchell actually saw that Latroll

482
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Speaker 3: Pickett was playing for the d s now got around

483
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Speaker 3: him on social media. That's a nice cross coat. Fund

484
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Speaker 3: very exciting for them, and that's the sort of thing

485
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Speaker 3: that Melbourne needs to have reasons to believe and this

486
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Speaker 3: different game, so they're going to have under Stephen King,

487
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Speaker 3: they need to be more exciting, they need to be

488
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Speaker 3: more fast, and players like Cozi are the ones they

489
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Speaker 3: need to build that team around, so it makes all

490
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Speaker 3: the sense in the world.

491
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Speaker 2: What about from a you obviously had a close eye

492
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Speaker 2: JJ on the Essendon Richmond game. A lot of eyebrows

493
00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:51,920
Speaker 2: were raised were raised rather when Elijah Statis was left

494
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Speaker 2: out of the thirty player squad for Essendon, and Ben Jacobs,

495
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Speaker 2: assistant coach postgame explained that he'd had a bit of

496
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Speaker 2: a setback in recent times and the timing of that

497
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Speaker 2: setback in terms of being unable to play a lot

498
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Speaker 2: of the minutes that he was after in match play

499
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Speaker 2: didn't sort of line up with getting an AFL gig

500
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Speaker 2: for the game against Richmond, and they instead of manage

501
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Speaker 2: minutes in the AFL gig, they sort of gave him

502
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Speaker 2: a full game in the VFL. But it just it

503
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Speaker 2: just sort of continues this. It's an unfortunate continuation of

504
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Speaker 2: for a larger stardust and an inability to get consistency

505
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Speaker 2: at AFL level as well. Because the Dons have just

506
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Speaker 2: brought in three top three first round picks and their

507
00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:40,800
Speaker 2: NBA graduate, Elachka is a good chance to play in

508
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Speaker 2: in round one as well. Looks like he's got a

509
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Speaker 2: little bit of a little bit going for him in

510
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Speaker 2: terms of a senior early senior opportunity. So it just

511
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Speaker 2: wasn't ideal timing from a sartist perspective, No, it definitely

512
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Speaker 2: wasn't and I was her recall last year he had

513
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Speaker 2: one or two solid outings.

514
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Speaker 4: In the preseason that sort of gave hope that he

515
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Speaker 4: could come on last year. And obviously the opportunities last

516
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Speaker 4: year innocedence team without decimat that they were for it

517
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Speaker 4: to go, and that didn't, you know, obviously eventuate, And

518
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Speaker 4: now obviously you almost hope it's you almost hope the

519
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:14,480
Speaker 4: reason he didn't play he was for the reasons they're

520
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Speaker 4: saying in terms of you might have been impacted by

521
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Speaker 4: you know, you might have had some interruption throughout the

522
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Speaker 4: preseason that many couldn't play a certain amount of minutes

523
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Speaker 4: against AFL bodies. But it is a bit disappointing, but

524
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Speaker 4: you hope that he can maybe get some game time

525
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,600
Speaker 4: in their in their Amy Series match. But I guess

526
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Speaker 4: for the Bombers, it was really pleasing from a midfield

527
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Speaker 4: perspective to see Darcy Parrish sort of getting close to

528
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Speaker 4: being at full flight again after having all of last

529
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Speaker 4: year scrapped and Archie Roberts had to go for the midfield. Obviously,

530
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Speaker 4: Dyson sharp looks like he might get an early go

531
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Speaker 4: and yeah, Alachka really put his best foot forward in

532
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Speaker 4: more ways than the one. I mean, he's obviously a

533
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Speaker 4: live wife forward as an attacker, but he applied I

534
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Speaker 4: love that Ford half pressure. That's really key in terms

535
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Speaker 4: of playing a FOURD half game. And alongside I was like, CaCO,

536
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Speaker 4: you figure they're gonna have a pretty good little small

537
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:12,119
Speaker 4: forward line there when you've got the big Nat Caddy

538
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Speaker 4: control on the airways.

539
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Speaker 3: Just while while we're on Essendon, shouldn't they be alright?

540
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Speaker 3: This year? Like we saw the second half of last

541
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Speaker 3: year was basically just a VFL team that they were

542
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Speaker 3: playing with Zack Merritt in it as well. Despite te chagrin,

543
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Speaker 3: I would add from since Brad's got took over from

544
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Speaker 3: round one to twenty twenty three to about the midpoint

545
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Speaker 3: of last year, Essendon won twenty eight games, lost twenty

546
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Speaker 3: seven and drew one. They were average as possible. They

547
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Speaker 3: were a bit lucky to win some of those games,

548
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Speaker 3: a lot of close wins over bad teams in there,

549
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Speaker 3: but their record over two and a half years was

550
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Speaker 3: average and eleven win pace why can't they be that?

551
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Speaker 3: And wouldn't it be the most scripted thing possible for

552
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Speaker 3: the first year of the wild Card to involve Essendon

553
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Speaker 3: winning a quote un quote final that everyone gets to

554
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Speaker 3: dispute forever because no one believes it's a real final.

555
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:05,960
Speaker 3: Doesn't that make all the sense of the world?

556
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Speaker 2: Well, I suppose. So what was the trend though, of

557
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:13,640
Speaker 2: those of that twenty eight twenty seven to one record?

558
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Speaker 2: What was the trend of that?

559
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,479
Speaker 3: No trend? They were They were, They were mid. They

560
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:20,439
Speaker 3: were the most mid team possible. I think they were

561
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Speaker 3: six and four at one point last year when they

562
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Speaker 3: lost thirteen in a row to end the year. So

563
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Speaker 3: it's really hard to evaluate them because yes, they were

564
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Speaker 3: absolutely horrific for most of that season, but that just

565
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:32,880
Speaker 3: wasn't that team when fit. So they have any sort

566
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Speaker 3: of normal run and they should be at least what

567
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Speaker 3: a nine or ten win team and you probably only

568
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Speaker 3: need eleven wins to make the play in the wild Card?

569
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Speaker 2: Yeah, or are you going to start throwing around the

570
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 2: plane turns?

571
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Speaker 3: Well, that's what they're trying to evoke, isn't it with

572
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Speaker 3: the NBA stuff?

573
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Speaker 2: I suppose. So for mine Essendon, they are they're the

574
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Speaker 2: second youngest list in the competition this season and the

575
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Speaker 2: third least experienced, which I don't I don't think necessarily.

576
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Speaker 2: I think Bridge been in recent times. It's been a

577
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Speaker 2: bit of an exception in this in terms of when

578
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Speaker 2: they started building they were making finals with a very

579
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 2: very young list, but I don't think Essendon's in that ballpark.

580
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Speaker 2: The lack of continuity last year with amid that injury crisis,

581
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Speaker 2: I think will make it very very difficult for them

582
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Speaker 2: to hit the ground running and go from there. They Yeah,

583
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 2: they are going to be very young, and I just

584
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Speaker 2: think is still missing gosh. I think they're very glad

585
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:33,359
Speaker 2: they kept Zach Mehra, but I still think they're missing

586
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:36,399
Speaker 2: a few big names. And we know that a few

587
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 2: sort of star players in certain positions. But we know

588
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 2: that Brad Scott, and he preached this on AFL three

589
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 2: sixty a few rounds into last season, loves to build

590
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Speaker 2: from the draft and that's exactly what they've done. Over

591
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 2: in November last year when they had three first round

592
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 2: picks and they picked up their NGA graduate in Alaska

593
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 2: who we mentioned before, or if Sullivan Roby who did

594
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 2: it back just a week into his Essenon stint was

595
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 2: fit to but it was fit and firing. I've got

596
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 2: no doubt that he had the body and the temperament

597
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 2: to play very early, as early as round one if

598
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 2: injury hadn't gotten the way. So they're building from the

599
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Speaker 2: bottom here. I just can't see Essenon making an indent

600
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Speaker 2: out of that bottom or outside the bottom four this

601
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Speaker 2: year at this stage.

602
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's interesting. I mean, like, I think they've got

603
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 4: a lot. They've actually got a decent munt of talent

604
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Speaker 4: on paper. I think the continuity piece is going to

605
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 4: be big, Like you mentioned, like having not had their

606
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 4: best team together in you know, more than a year,

607
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:40,719
Speaker 4: and it's obviously not going to happen this year, at

608
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 4: least with a couple of players. When you think about

609
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 4: like a Nick Bryan is going to miss some time

610
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 4: of a scene, Nick Martin's I'm going to play the

611
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 4: whole year. But they've got a decent little midfield of

612
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 4: rotation when you think about Merrett, Caldwell, Durham and Parish.

613
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 4: If those four guys can stay healthy, I think it's

614
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 4: a pretty strong midfield. And really if the back line

615
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Speaker 4: can stand up, which they haven't been able to in

616
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 4: pass seasons. That's going to be the big one. I

617
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 4: mean really now has obviously had another set back, and

618
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Speaker 4: I think it's going to be crucial that at least

619
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 4: both of Reid and Mkaia can stay out in the

620
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Speaker 4: park and if you have read men out there, I

621
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Speaker 4: think they can stand up. It's more about like if

622
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 4: Farrow and Roberts across halfback, her just getting you know,

623
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Speaker 4: finding those ball users to create a link up chains

624
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:25,720
Speaker 4: because they really had you know issues moving the ball

625
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 4: last year. So that's going to be interesting watch. And

626
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Speaker 4: I tend to agree. I don't think they're going to

627
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Speaker 4: be a playing team. I think there might be enough

628
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 4: games to be in that sort of conversation, but I

629
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Speaker 4: think they're going to end up losing quite a big too.

630
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Speaker 3: This is the thing, right, So if you think Essendon

631
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 3: is a six or worse win team, sure bottom four

632
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 3: there anything more than that. They're going to be in

633
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 3: the conversation for the world card with like a month

634
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Speaker 3: left in the season. This is the new reality we're

635
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Speaker 3: going to get used to come July and August. I

636
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 3: absolutely think don't print in the paper that I think,

637
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Speaker 3: Yesdon is good, not the guessing is good, but I

638
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 3: think everything can be fine and fine is now good

639
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 3: enough to make the finals if everything goes your way.

640
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Speaker 2: I can see Jay Z picking up those quotes, Maxian

641
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 2: popping it in his first edition of the Tackle for

642
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty six. It's now time for the return again

643
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Speaker 2: for another season of Australia's Favorite segment, and now on.

644
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Speaker 6: The Box Footy Podcast, another strong edition of Australia's Favorite segment,

645
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Speaker 6: Fair or Fast and we begin.

646
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Speaker 2: With JJ only a week. It's over a week on

647
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 2: from AFL Origin in Perth. JJ. We should play AFL

648
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 2: Origin every year. Fair or Fast well good one. It

649
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 2: depends on the format.

650
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 4: I think if you have rotating teams, you can do

651
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 4: it every year, or at least a system where the

652
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 4: team that wins stays on the next tiear against the

653
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 4: different opponent. I think there's viability in that. I think

654
00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 4: if you're going to have a pretty consistent matchup, then

655
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 4: it might be once every few years. I also don't

656
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 4: mind the idea where you have Origin once every maybe

657
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 4: three or four years, and it means there's if you

658
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 4: make an Origin team more than once in your career,

659
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 4: as a higher sort of prestige to that achievement. I

660
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 4: think it really depends on the format. I think it's fair,

661
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 4: though I think it's fair to play it every year.

662
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:28,240
Speaker 4: I think it would just depend on the format.

663
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 2: The Olympic style is set up there, MAXI, where you

664
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 2: do every once every four years. It felt like watching

665
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 2: the watching the game, the hype around it, it took

666
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 2: a while to build outside of w way from my understanding,

667
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 2: but from after that, in the immediate lead up to it,

668
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 2: in the days leading up to it, and then the

669
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 2: actual game and the aftermath. Out of the talking points

670
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 2: that we put together, it just did feel like the

671
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 2: AFL found a nice balance between competitiveness but also not

672
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 2: going massively where we saw some well we did see

673
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 2: some pretty bad injuries out of it, and Jacob readings

674
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 2: in doubt, but it just felt like there was a

675
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 2: nice balance to the whole event.

676
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought Origin was better than really anyone anticipated.

677
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 3: Like the players cared was the biggest thing, and that's

678
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 3: what matters. Also that the fans cared, because the old

679
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 3: Origins would have died off because people stopped caring about it,

680
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 3: But that's because it'd been going on for a while.

681
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 3: And I think in this environment where the AFL is

682
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 3: trying to take over the entire calendar year as much

683
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 3: as possible. It makes all the sense of the world

684
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 3: to have ventize things like this. I think the format

685
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 3: is really important. I think it only needs to be

686
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 3: WA South Australia and Victoria. I'm sorry to the Allies

687
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 3: fans out there. If you wanted to do in New

688
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 3: South Wales versus Queensland at some point, I wouldn't be

689
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 3: against that, but they are just not going to be

690
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 3: competitive with the three traditional footy states. Queensland participation is

691
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 3: catching up. I think as might have passed essay, but

692
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 3: not yet. I've only got like forty players to choose

693
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 3: from for an entire squad, and that's not going to work.

694
00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 3: But you do those three teams, you have the winner

695
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 3: staying on. Ideally, you probably just have WA Andsa hosting

696
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 3: it every time because Victoria as the bad guy is

697
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 3: what makes Origin work. Victoria is always going to be

698
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 3: the favorite and it's always going to matter more when

699
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 3: Victoria loses than when Victoria wins. So if you do

700
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 3: it every year for five years, it's at some point

701
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:18,439
Speaker 3: it'll happen. WA got reasonably close in the first one

702
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 3: this year. And I think it can happen and make

703
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 3: a pretty good spectacle of things. And as a part

704
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 3: of that as well, the other part of my proposal

705
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 3: which I tweeted on the night, I want to see

706
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:31,320
Speaker 3: Origin jumpers handed out every year, even if you're not playing.

707
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,399
Speaker 3: It should be a yearly honor where you get Hey,

708
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:36,959
Speaker 3: I'm a seven time Origin selection. I was that good.

709
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:39,239
Speaker 3: And it can tie into the All Australian where if

710
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:41,279
Speaker 3: you're in those states and you want to be in

711
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 3: the All Laws team, you've got to make your states

712
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 3: team first, because realistically, if you're not part of your

713
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 3: best state team, you're not better part of the best

714
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:50,720
Speaker 3: national team. I think that's a great way to expand upon.

715
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 2: It wouldn't be overkill on top of the All Ows.

716
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 3: You only play one game a year, and I don't

717
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 3: think it'll be overkilled because I think that it's a

718
00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 3: secondary honor to all Os. It just helps cement Origin

719
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 3: in the minds of everyone throughout the year, and I

720
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:06,359
Speaker 3: think that matters as well.

721
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:12,240
Speaker 2: MAXI. The off season issues at Brisbane could derail their

722
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 2: three peat hopes. Fair or fast.

723
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 3: Now fast they're too good. They've had off field funny

724
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 3: buggers before with the wasn't even Las Vegas story? Was

725
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 3: it in the end? Was it that was so weirdly understood?

726
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 3: But they had that and won a flag despite it.

727
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 3: I think it would be ideal if the dual Brownlow Medalist,

728
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:36,799
Speaker 3: former capital of your club wasn't going through all of this.

729
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 3: But I also don't think it matters as much as

730
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 3: a lot of people think. And Brisbane has an absurd

731
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:47,799
Speaker 3: amount of talent and admittedly weren't amazing through the home

732
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 3: and away season last year, but they played their I

733
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:53,720
Speaker 3: think their best three games in arguably the three biggest

734
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 3: games of the year, so they know how to play

735
00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 3: when it matters. They're still getting players back, They're just

736
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:02,279
Speaker 3: going to be so good. So locking eel you know,

737
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 3: sorry that you've got to have all that media attention,

738
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:07,400
Speaker 3: but you know it wasn't an ideal situation, was it.

739
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:12,360
Speaker 2: Say the least, JJ the abolishment of the three or nothing,

740
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 2: Mr loophole will bring great relief to the entire footing industry.

741
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:23,399
Speaker 4: Fair or fast, Yeah, I think that's fair. I think

742
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 4: there's going to be, you know, disagreement regardless of whichever

743
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:32,240
Speaker 4: way they went, but I think to give some leeway

744
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:36,879
Speaker 4: or at least so some regal room to I guess,

745
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 4: make calls out of some of the more contentious incidents.

746
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 4: I think makes complete sense. You're never going to get

747
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:46,880
Speaker 4: complete agreement with any of this sort of stuff, but

748
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 4: I think yeah, like the three or nothing stuff was

749
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 4: was clearly a bit of a blight on a few

750
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 4: instances last year. So to get to eliminate some of

751
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:01,880
Speaker 4: the some of the back that would have never inevitably

752
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 4: come this year for similar incidents, I think makes sense.

753
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 2: We recording this before the MRO hands down a verdict

754
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 2: on Charlie Combon as afarementioned in the first segment there, MAXI,

755
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 2: but if it is deemed that the Brody my check

756
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,279
Speaker 2: was concussed because of that tackle, and there is some

757
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:23,799
Speaker 2: reporting around at the moment that the concussion might not

758
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:26,759
Speaker 2: have necessarily have been a result of the tackle that

759
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:29,880
Speaker 2: Combon laid. But if that is the case that the

760
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:33,240
Speaker 2: tackle did concuss my check, this is probably the first

761
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 2: test case of the new three or nothing loophole being closed.

762
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 3: No, this is perfect, this is it's not a three

763
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 3: week worthy act. But there was a concussion in it,

764
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 3: and so the more levers you can give the MRO

765
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:48,400
Speaker 3: to pull the better, So I would suspect it to

766
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:51,359
Speaker 3: the nothing or like a one or probably not even

767
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 3: two nothing or one, and that sounds about.

768
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:56,400
Speaker 2: Right, MAXI. Cooper Hodge is about to get caught up

769
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:59,320
Speaker 2: in one seriously contentious AFL situation.

770
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 3: Fair off, fair, we have to talk about the Hodges again. Fantastic.

771
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 3: So Cooper Hodge is, of course Luke's son living in

772
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 3: Queensland because of Luke's decision to move up to the

773
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:13,279
Speaker 3: Brisbane lines and finish his career there, which is still

774
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 3: really weird. But because he's up there, he's part of

775
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 3: the Brisbane academy and he could just join the Lions

776
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 3: as an academy kid, which is the definition, even though

777
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:23,799
Speaker 3: we've had it before with like the Blakis of a

778
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 3: player who did not need the academy system to be

779
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:29,799
Speaker 3: made aware of football. You imagine Cooper Hodge knew what

780
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:31,440
Speaker 3: a foot he was when he was growing up. So

781
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:33,759
Speaker 3: it's very stupid that he could possibly be a Lion.

782
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 3: And I think really really silly if that happens, not

783
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 3: just because the Lions are good, but that doesn't help either.

784
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 3: So he can be a Hawthorne father son. I think

785
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 3: that's the romantic path that pretty much everyone's outside of

786
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 3: Lion's head office wants him to take. We'll see what

787
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:48,879
Speaker 3: develops over the year.

788
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:49,279
Speaker 4: He was.

789
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 3: I think he's trained with both clubs he has in

790
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 3: the process, so he's under sixteen's and this isn't a

791
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:56,239
Speaker 3: guy who's like a top five, top ten pick. He's

792
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 3: maybe not even a first rounder.

793
00:38:57,560 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 2: He'd be out of the top twenty. I think. Is

794
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 2: this sort of from what I understand. I haven't seen

795
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:04,279
Speaker 2: a lot of Cooper play yet, but he did play

796
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:06,879
Speaker 2: some VFL footy as a seventeen year old last year,

797
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 2: very impressive in the Coats League. For the Lions academy,

798
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 2: it's a different situation. So we talk about the sons

799
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 2: who have had ten academy bids matched or they've matched

800
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 2: ten academy bids in the past three drafts. Five last year,

801
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 2: Leo Lombard the year before, and then for the year

802
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:28,280
Speaker 2: before that, So that was some serious top end talent.

803
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 2: This is a bit of a different one though, in

804
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 2: terms of the whole academy debate, because this, again it's

805
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:38,400
Speaker 2: the Nick Blakey situation, where you've got a dad, a

806
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:42,800
Speaker 2: genuine legend of the game, a four time Premiership player

807
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 2: Jill norm Smith medallist three hundred and five games at

808
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 2: the Hawks and did obviously go to Brisbane right at

809
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 2: the end, but Luke Coge is remembered as a Hawthorne

810
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 2: legend and because he moved up to the Brisbane for

811
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 2: those last couple of years, and because of where he

812
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:02,239
Speaker 2: lives now, it could be a Brisbane line and for

813
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 2: men it would be an easy move because he already

814
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:09,439
Speaker 2: lives there and again he's part of a successful team.

815
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 2: So he's going to be a contentious talking point throughout

816
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:15,319
Speaker 2: the year. He hasn't made a decision yet and as

817
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 2: Luke mentioned to Pete Ryan in the Age that he

818
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:22,799
Speaker 2: needs to actually prove himself Cooper to both clubs that

819
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 2: he's a fool draftable at this stage. So there's a

820
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:28,920
Speaker 2: little bit of water to pla to go into the

821
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 2: bridge from that perspective, but it's going to be a

822
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:36,720
Speaker 2: big talking point throughout the year to be juicy. JJ

823
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 2: Collingwood is kidding itself if it really thinks Zach Butters

824
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:44,319
Speaker 2: will strongly consider joining the Pie is fair or fat?

825
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:50,799
Speaker 4: That's very clearly a fast I mean Collingwood is I mean,

826
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:53,360
Speaker 4: I say arguably, but I think's pretty clearly the biggest

827
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 4: club in the land. And I think if he were

828
00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:00,400
Speaker 4: in a midfield with Nickdakos, say instantly rocket back into

829
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:06,279
Speaker 4: genuine Premiership contention. So I don't see why, I mean

830
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 4: he could still he could still. I understand that his

831
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 4: family out in Dai, which is yeah, pretty.

832
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:16,320
Speaker 2: That's Aaron Cadman territory, sort of on the way to

833
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 2: Ballarat kind of areas.

834
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:21,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like I understand why the Bulldogs, Bombers and Cats

835
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 4: might be might be in the front seat. But I think,

836
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:28,759
Speaker 4: I mean, I think if he were, if he were

837
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 4: to go to collin Wood, he wouldn't have any any

838
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 4: real more issue with being near a family than he

839
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:37,280
Speaker 4: would if you're at the Bulldogs Bombers.

840
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 3: I don't know. The traffic's pretty bad. You've got to

841
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:41,839
Speaker 3: go in Taller, you've got to go in the city.

842
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 3: You got to figure out how you're getting through the city.

843
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:45,279
Speaker 3: Like if you're going at peak out it could be

844
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 3: really difficult.

845
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 2: Are you using the metro tunnel?

846
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:50,239
Speaker 3: This is so true. I wouldn't play for Collingwood just

847
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:52,799
Speaker 3: for those reasons, and I'd personally just say go to

848
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:55,759
Speaker 3: Geelong ZAC. That's clearly the most reasonable thing to do,

849
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:57,919
Speaker 3: because then to avoid the city entirely.

850
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:00,320
Speaker 2: While we're on the Magpie is MAXI let's finish with you.

851
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 2: Collingwood's bequest service letter to older members was a step

852
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 2: too far, fair or fast.

853
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 4: This is a tea up, so look air.

854
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:13,320
Speaker 3: It was. But this was also a case where somehow

855
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 3: I found myself defending Collingwood, which is not a place

856
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:18,279
Speaker 3: I usually like to be in, but here we are

857
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 3: a lot of places do this they and this is

858
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 3: more of a problem with capitalism than with football itself.

859
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 3: You know, if you're a charity, if you're a school

860
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 3: with a lot of older alumni, you may reach out

861
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 3: and say, hey, you know, you can contribute in your

862
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 3: will to us and it'll help us out. It's something

863
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 3: that was a big part of your life, and certainly

864
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 3: football clubs are a big part of people's lives. It

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Speaker 3: was just a rather coarse way of doing it, sending

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Speaker 3: out letters to pretty much all over fifties. I think

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Speaker 3: I believe Pete Ryan wrote about it in the Age Today,

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Speaker 3: actually that his father, who has passed a few years ago,

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Speaker 3: got a letter. So that's not ideal. So they've done

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Speaker 3: this poorly. But every club also has a bequesting a system,

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Speaker 3: a way that you can give back to the club.

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Speaker 3: And it's not like you're just doing it for the

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Speaker 3: sake of giving the money please give us money. You

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Speaker 3: basically get like a it's a special membership and you

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Speaker 3: get to special events and things like that while you're

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Speaker 3: still alive so you can enjoy it, which is a

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Speaker 3: nice little reward. So look, yeah, a course way of

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Speaker 3: doing it and a chance for everyone to pot Collingwood

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Speaker 3: that people were going to take it a quiet part

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Speaker 3: of the year, but not a disastrous, disgraceful and horrific

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Speaker 3: thing to do outside of that.

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Speaker 2: No, as you mentioned, all eighteen clubs have some kind

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Speaker 2: of service in terms of giving back to the club,

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Speaker 2: but I can't think of too many that have been

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Speaker 2: pretty bold in using and using the posts so aggressively here.

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Speaker 3: No, you don't generally reach out actively. It's more a

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Speaker 3: thing that you hear about it when you're getting older

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Speaker 3: and because you'd be talking to your older mates who

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Speaker 3: are also members and you know it comes up. I

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Speaker 3: think like the Ron Barrassi there's a club at Melbourne,

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Speaker 3: the rom Barrassi Bequeathment Society, and Barras is actually in it. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: stuff like that. It just happened.

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Speaker 2: It's going to be chatting footy again. We're less than

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Speaker 2: as we record this on a Monday, we are less

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Speaker 2: than two weeks away, where we're a week and a

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Speaker 2: half away from Opening Round. It has come up very

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Speaker 2: very quickly. But we'll be all over it of course

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Speaker 2: then it all begins with Sydney and Carlton on opening Round.

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