WEBVTT - Let's Be Real... Brooke Would Definitely Get Sucked into a Cult

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to First things First, I'm Blett in my pronounce a.

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<v Speaker 2>She my Maddie Mills, and my pronouns are he and him.

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<v Speaker 2>And before we get started, we'd like to acknowledge the

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<v Speaker 2>custodians of the land of which we record.

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<v Speaker 1>And today we are both in studio and we're in

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<v Speaker 1>Roderi Country, part of the Pools Nation. Maddie, how don't

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<v Speaker 1>feel like to be a mum?

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<v Speaker 2>It's cold, It's.

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<v Speaker 1>Always okay, So I feel a bit lighter today the

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<v Speaker 1>last week, do you. I don't tell him my secret

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<v Speaker 1>meadow mus metamucal we actually get that fiber intake. No,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm feeling lighter, not for any particular reason other than

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<v Speaker 1>I have cried a fuck load in the last couple

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<v Speaker 1>of days. I've just finished my it's called SFA, which

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<v Speaker 1>is a voice assessment. It's about finding your voice, which

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<v Speaker 1>is amazing and it has been really like useful and

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<v Speaker 1>helpful throughout you know, acting.

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<v Speaker 2>But that I didn't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Triggered No, well fuck them, I'm here bound my boys

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<v Speaker 1>and it's here. But it made me think. And I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not saying this in any disrespect to my teacher or

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<v Speaker 1>my class or what we've achieved because it was the

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<v Speaker 1>most amazing experience doing this this course. It was liberating,

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<v Speaker 1>Like imagine, you know, singing in front of your class,

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<v Speaker 1>or if you've never had the confidence to sing out

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<v Speaker 1>loud or sing in front of people, getting the confidence

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<v Speaker 1>or the ability to do that, and I think, so.

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<v Speaker 2>You did that on your Instagram. It was a great reaction.

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<v Speaker 1>Well thanks, But I've been starting to play with the

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<v Speaker 1>idea of singing to an audience because if I can't

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<v Speaker 1>even do that, I won't be able to perform, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>So I've just got to do the thing. There's a

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<v Speaker 1>whole thing about doing the thing. But it actually reminded

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<v Speaker 1>me when I'm pulling myself out of it, how sucked

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<v Speaker 1>in you get to environments and how much you're in

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<v Speaker 1>it that it can seem a bit culty.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not.

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<v Speaker 1>My class is not a cult. But it had me

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<v Speaker 1>thinking about different because I feel like, you know, we

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<v Speaker 1>call it industries, institutions or institutions, yes, but how many

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<v Speaker 1>there are out there that we don't know about that

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<v Speaker 1>you're just so consumed by.

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<v Speaker 2>Environment that happens in institutions a lot like whether it's

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<v Speaker 2>universities when you're you know, studying. You're so laser focused

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<v Speaker 2>on this and committed to being a part of this.

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<v Speaker 2>You drink the kool aid and you're a part of

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<v Speaker 2>this like environment exactly. So I remember when I first

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<v Speaker 2>got to Perth and I went to acting school. When

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<v Speaker 2>I got to the institution, it was like nothing outside

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<v Speaker 2>of that bubble matted. You were creative the whole time,

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<v Speaker 2>and when you weren't creative, you were you know, surrounded

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<v Speaker 2>by your acting friends or your your classmates, and everyone

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<v Speaker 2>spoke about the craft. So it does become a bit

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<v Speaker 2>like overwhelming and a little bit culty because that's the

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<v Speaker 2>that's the topic, that's the interest. And when you're speaking

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<v Speaker 2>outside of that, I think that like it almost feels

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<v Speaker 2>foreign when you're in the environment. This happened with me

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<v Speaker 2>and Basloman, So okay, I'm not saying that it was

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<v Speaker 2>a cult, but when I was about.

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<v Speaker 1>Working for him is an environment in itself.

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<v Speaker 2>When we were film industry, that's right. When we're working

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<v Speaker 2>on Elvis, we purely spoke about the film, and at

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<v Speaker 2>times when we were eating and we were having a

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<v Speaker 2>break in production, he would say, let's gossip, which meant

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<v Speaker 2>that let's talk about something other than the film.

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<v Speaker 1>And so, but why is a gossip when it's just not.

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't gossipled or it was political, but that was

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<v Speaker 2>his terminology. You know, it was political stuff. It was

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<v Speaker 2>like talking about what was happening in the current political climate.

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<v Speaker 2>It was you know, the pop news that was happening

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<v Speaker 2>in the media. But then you know, I understand why

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<v Speaker 2>that's needed in those environments, otherwise people get distracted.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it's project based, right, so most of you know,

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<v Speaker 1>these institutions or I guess industries are led by you know,

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<v Speaker 1>getting a project done. So like I guess, like the

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<v Speaker 1>batch thorreat like you're in an environment you know, it's

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<v Speaker 1>not a cult.

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<v Speaker 2>That's getting cold.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, to be fair, like that's all you're consumed.

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<v Speaker 2>By, like weeks of living in the same house and

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<v Speaker 2>the same people doing the.

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<v Speaker 1>Same thing, and no wonder you get so you know,

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<v Speaker 1>your rose colored glasses on because no, but quite literally

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<v Speaker 1>and metaphorically as well, like you are so consumed by it.

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<v Speaker 1>So I can understand how cults work in a sense

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<v Speaker 1>because I've never been to a level of being a

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<v Speaker 1>part of one, but I can imagine how easy it

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<v Speaker 1>would be to get sucked into one.

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<v Speaker 2>Wouldn't it be fun to go under cover into.

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<v Speaker 1>It, right?

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<v Speaker 2>Would you do that?

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<v Speaker 1>I reckon, I would, I would, And I reckon I'm

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<v Speaker 1>pretty like I'm easily persuaded in a way that i

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<v Speaker 1>can pull myself out of it.

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<v Speaker 2>I sure, but I definitely think that you have the

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<v Speaker 2>tendencies of being taken into a cult.

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<v Speaker 1>What are you saying to what you said, I just think.

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<v Speaker 2>That you're easily persuaded. You'd be thinking, you know, you

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<v Speaker 2>would try and find the best in the environment and

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<v Speaker 2>the opportunity, and you'll be like, you know, making you

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<v Speaker 2>you would think.

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<v Speaker 1>That everyone has is that my red flag?

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<v Speaker 2>Like my people have good intentions?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but I do believe I've been brought up to

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<v Speaker 1>believe that everyone has good intentions.

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<v Speaker 2>Like obviously true.

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<v Speaker 1>I know that's what I'm slowly learning. But let my

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<v Speaker 1>heart be my heart.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, that's why you're going to be poured into a

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<v Speaker 2>cult because you're just like, let me be I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>jump the fences.

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<v Speaker 1>No, my heart is big, it's raw sensity.

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<v Speaker 2>And you're the perfect candidate for.

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<v Speaker 1>Them to know I'm vulnerable. I'm gad get it.

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<v Speaker 2>But if it was a cult and you were you know,

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<v Speaker 2>sucked into one. What do you think it would be.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I feel like I'm already semi part of a

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<v Speaker 1>acting cult because all I want to do is hang

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<v Speaker 1>out with my acting friends and people in the industry

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<v Speaker 1>and like my people. But also at the same time,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe it's not really cult. It's just like feeling inspired

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<v Speaker 1>and creative and all I want to do is hang

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<v Speaker 1>out with great people. It's how you word things.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that's what I heard when I watched the doco

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<v Speaker 2>on Netflix from the Tit Top Dances the seven M doco.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, have you been dancing on TikTok?

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<v Speaker 2>Slately, girl, I'm a part of it. Look yeah, look

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<v Speaker 2>I say, I'm gullible. Everyone has a price twenty dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>Sound that absolutely give me the money. I was emoji,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm there. The docar these you know, TikTok Christian dancers

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<v Speaker 2>are a part of this seven M management company that

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<v Speaker 2>have basically got them on board, created these blind faith

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<v Speaker 2>within them that their money and their things that they're

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<v Speaker 2>earning and the content they're creating is all going to

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<v Speaker 2>the greater good. Yet they're being sucked dry by the

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<v Speaker 2>management and the guy who runs the church to the

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<v Speaker 2>point where the content is have lost contact with their family.

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<v Speaker 2>Their family don't even have access to them to communicate

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<v Speaker 2>with them. And one of them is a twin sister

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<v Speaker 2>who was brought up with her sister, danced on TikTok

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<v Speaker 2>and they had such an incredible relationship. This girl goes

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<v Speaker 2>off to La becomes a part of this cult and

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<v Speaker 2>loses all emotional connection and there's not in touch with

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<v Speaker 2>her family, and the family go there and try and

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<v Speaker 2>track it down and you know, get to the bottom

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<v Speaker 2>of it. But that's a fucked up cult because they're

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<v Speaker 2>using religion as the base.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, which we that's kind of how we

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<v Speaker 1>know about cults, right also on the religious base, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, conversion and Christianity.

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<v Speaker 2>This is people weaponizing religion and Christianity.

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<v Speaker 1>I watched it, and the thing I find interesting, not

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<v Speaker 1>the funny thing, is that the main girl that it's about,

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<v Speaker 1>who's separated from her twin sister, she's just still doing

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<v Speaker 1>her normal life. And imagine, like this whole documentary is

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<v Speaker 1>about you, and I don't know, like there hasn't really

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<v Speaker 1>been a response from the Like she came out and

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<v Speaker 1>said her family were wrong, and like none of what

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<v Speaker 1>they're saying is true, Like, yeah, she did probably like

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<v Speaker 1>disclose that, but it's like, what do you want to

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<v Speaker 1>believe a documentary or like an Instagram story.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, the thing is she has absolutely been you know,

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<v Speaker 2>brainwashed by the guy who leads I think his name

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<v Speaker 2>is Robert Chakaina and.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the church.

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<v Speaker 2>The church, yeah, and.

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<v Speaker 1>The guy's name is Robert Robert Shin or something. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>But then they did dis and digging and they found

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<v Speaker 2>that there was you know, other people before this girl

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<v Speaker 2>who had experienced the exact same thing, and they left.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah they did.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so they fully like unraveled whistle blower vibes.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but how can you say that you go there,

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<v Speaker 2>you have connection with your family and then you lose

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<v Speaker 2>everyone excepting the tution that you're.

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<v Speaker 1>A part of isolating yourself.

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<v Speaker 2>So do you think that they realize that because it

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't seem like they have any idea that that has.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but like surely you would get to a point

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<v Speaker 1>like I would think, like say, if I went and

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<v Speaker 1>joined a cult now, like you guys would be like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>that's bit odd that she's got no Like if you've

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<v Speaker 1>just split off full communication with people, that you would

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<v Speaker 1>see like every day or hang out with every day.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, but gods concerned, right, and you'd be probably

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<v Speaker 1>trying to make me aware, of course, And I think

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<v Speaker 1>surely you would have some like feeling or moral compass

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<v Speaker 1>or something it's in you that's like this is this

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't feel right? Yeah, or maybe again you're completely brainwashed

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<v Speaker 1>and you're thinking, you know, you've got a higher value

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<v Speaker 1>of what you want and what you want to achieve.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what they're giving you. So like if it's like

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<v Speaker 1>someone was like, hey, like, if you work for me

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<v Speaker 1>for ten years minimum and I'm going to give you

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<v Speaker 1>this amount of money every year, would you do it?

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<v Speaker 2>Would I do it to the cost.

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<v Speaker 1>Of because maybe it's maybe.

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<v Speaker 2>It's been black man, I wouldn't.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so complex. That's the whole point of this is

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<v Speaker 1>like it's cults are very complex.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the main thing about cults is that there's

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<v Speaker 2>a psychological power that exactly that you don't have a

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<v Speaker 2>control of. So you're you know, your you're brainwashed. You

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<v Speaker 2>put into a position where you feel like whatever they

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<v Speaker 2>say is right, whatever they say is the is the

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<v Speaker 2>right way, even to the point where he said in

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<v Speaker 2>the documentary, I remember him saying something about the fact

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<v Speaker 2>that you need to cut off your family members, like

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<v Speaker 2>you don't need to have contact with them. If you

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<v Speaker 2>want to be so spiritually connected and strengthened with God,

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<v Speaker 2>you need to cut everyone else off except me. And

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<v Speaker 2>this was his message from God.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like the Robert isn't God.

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<v Speaker 2>He thinks he doesn't he.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. See, that's that's where I have the issue. The

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<v Speaker 1>issue it's like when people like this is a horror complex, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>and when people blow up something and they're like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>well God made me do it. No, he fucking did it.

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<v Speaker 1>No one makes you do anything you did that. I

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<v Speaker 1>hate that whole God complex. Like I'm not really a

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<v Speaker 1>religious base, but yeah, when someone says like, oh no,

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<v Speaker 1>God made me do it, Like my dad is super religious,

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<v Speaker 1>but he comes from a different place where he's like,

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<v Speaker 1>God makes me do all these good things. Well you

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<v Speaker 1>know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>The mental teachings of Christianity, if we're going to use

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<v Speaker 2>that as an example, is love right and not to

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<v Speaker 2>be judgmental. Yet all I saw in this this documentary

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<v Speaker 2>was Robert being judgmental everyone outside of that.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's like a power thing.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to ask, like if they you know, they

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<v Speaker 2>realize they have that moment. Aham fucking a part of

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<v Speaker 2>this institution. How do you get out? What do you do?

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<v Speaker 1>Run away?

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<v Speaker 2>Run away? But then the psychological damage true?

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<v Speaker 1>They yep.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it's a good lawsuit. You could get some money,

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<v Speaker 2>you could sue the institution.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what I would do in that situation,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I don't know. Like I've also been a part

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<v Speaker 1>of where in my life. When I was about eighteen,

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<v Speaker 1>I looked to God or I looked to church to

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<v Speaker 1>find some community and find some stability, which you know

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<v Speaker 1>I could have been easily. I guess what did you

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<v Speaker 1>take it down that environment? I just I didn't have

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<v Speaker 1>many I didn't have much support. I was very isolated myself,

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<v Speaker 1>and I didn't choose that that was just that suddening

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<v Speaker 1>just happened. So I was looking for support, and I

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<v Speaker 1>was looking for stability, and I was looking for encouragement.

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<v Speaker 1>And I got that to a certain degree in a level.

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<v Speaker 1>But then I went and found it myself in other

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<v Speaker 1>avenues because I looked to other avenues and I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>rely heavily on like Christianity churches and God giving me

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<v Speaker 1>that there was it was start and an exploration, but

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't my conclusion and my solution.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, totally. I think that what people seek within the

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<v Speaker 2>church is you know, probably something that we get from

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<v Speaker 2>our community anyway. Exactly. Yeah, I think that like black follows,

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<v Speaker 2>I must say that, you know, I believe in God.

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<v Speaker 2>I believe that there is a connection between me and

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<v Speaker 2>a high power. I don't know what that looks like.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know in what form that that is, but

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<v Speaker 2>for me, I definitely feel a connection to a divine being.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what. I don't know. If it's my ancestors,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, if it's the people have come before me,

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<v Speaker 2>if it's God, if it's I don't know, is it

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<v Speaker 2>fucking one of the teletubbies. Who knows? But I feel it,

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<v Speaker 2>and so it's it is a bit of a you know,

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<v Speaker 2>faith based for that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and you can you have control over how you

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<v Speaker 1>pick and choose how that relationship.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm not blind, exactly, I'm not. I don't have

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<v Speaker 2>blind trust or blind faith. Why does the church always

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<v Speaker 2>come down to money as well?

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<v Speaker 1>That's what I concerned there. Yes, and if we look

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<v Speaker 1>at also like historically the damage that institutions per se

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<v Speaker 1>have had on people and that type of environment. It

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<v Speaker 1>is a bit like not similar, but there is sort

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<v Speaker 1>of a partly like a similarity to a Guess mission

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<v Speaker 1>and stolen generation.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, speaking of that, let's have a look at this

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<v Speaker 2>little case study. So the Family Cult is one of

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<v Speaker 2>Australia's most popular and well known.

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<v Speaker 1>Cult that was here in Melbourne.

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<v Speaker 2>It was, Yeah, it was the notorious Dooms. They cult

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<v Speaker 2>operated just outside Melbourne between nineteen sixty three and nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>eighty nine. It was led by Anne Hamilton Byrne, who

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<v Speaker 2>claimed she was the female reincarnation of Jesus Christ.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>The two to collect kids and raise them on her

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<v Speaker 2>own property and keep them away from the apocalypse. The

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<v Speaker 2>members were brainwashed the kids. Their hair was dyed blonde and.

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<v Speaker 1>They're trying to make them the same, giving a similar.

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<v Speaker 2>It's getting assimilation in the stolen gin.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, and these are white people. This is in Melbourne.

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<v Speaker 1>This is what year did you say?

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<v Speaker 2>It was in nineteen sixty three to nineteen eighty nine.

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<v Speaker 1>That's insane, So up to the nineteen eighties.

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<v Speaker 2>It's interesting that I was in Melbourne. This sounds like

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<v Speaker 2>the Family from mulummimbi, you know, one of those hippie families.

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<v Speaker 1>What it's giving. Yeah, it feels like that, but that's

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<v Speaker 1>a very like trying to twenty.

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<v Speaker 2>Eight kids were taken and raised identically.

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<v Speaker 1>So when people get outraged about that, why are they

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<v Speaker 1>not outraged about the Stolen Generation?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, exactly, I mean because.

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<v Speaker 1>That happened in nineteen eighty and I'm sure there was

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<v Speaker 1>probably protests or people angry about that situation where kids

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<v Speaker 1>were taken not Aboriginal kids, but non Aboriginal and to

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<v Speaker 1>austral Under kids.

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<v Speaker 2>But I wonder how many of these kids could have

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<v Speaker 2>been Aboriginal as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly. True, that is a study there, but this doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>seem too different to what's happening in institutions like the

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<v Speaker 1>Department of Child Protection, which is still taking kids to

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<v Speaker 1>this day. And my sister is living proof of that,

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<v Speaker 1>like as soon as she gave birth to her child,

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<v Speaker 1>he was taken Adam. You know, like we talked about

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<v Speaker 1>kinship on other episodes of how important it is to

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<v Speaker 1>keep kids with family, like they've proven it. They're making

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<v Speaker 1>it so difficult to remain contact with him, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's so frustrating. But anyways, like going back to I

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<v Speaker 1>guess cults and the similarities of you know, between institutions

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<v Speaker 1>and cults as well, Like.

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<v Speaker 2>It's at least you're getting something out of an institution,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, a diploma, when.

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<v Speaker 1>You're what are you getting psychological distress from a cult?

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<v Speaker 2>But it's because it needs a focus. I suppose, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>cults there's outside of an institution or like a university course,

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<v Speaker 2>there's no real personal gain.

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<v Speaker 1>Like niche cults are out there other than the ones

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<v Speaker 1>we're spoken about. If any black fellow cults, well, you

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<v Speaker 1>know what it would you about the Black theater That

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<v Speaker 1>would be kind of similar. Not not a cult, but like.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, what about the sovereign Black movement? Like you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like not a cult, but like.

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<v Speaker 1>Even given those vibes, you know, maybe maybe I'll start

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<v Speaker 1>a cult.

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<v Speaker 2>What would your cult be?

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<v Speaker 1>The crying club let your feelings out? Nah, I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>Laugh, you'll cry exactly. Don't cry your fart.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't let it out? Oh it will let out anyways.

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<v Speaker 2>That note on that note.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this is no This has been a very interesting conversation.

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<v Speaker 1>I think there's so many complexities to it. I think

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<v Speaker 1>there would be some really niche cults like I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like it's like I don't know, there'd be a cult

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<v Speaker 1>like we only drink almond milk cult, or like the

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<v Speaker 1>matcha cult. Yes, a part of that is the head

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<v Speaker 1>of that one let me let me or.

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<v Speaker 2>The health and wellness girls.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'd easily be a part of a health and

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<v Speaker 1>wellness cult for sure. Like sign me up.

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<v Speaker 2>You just have to slow your voice down and talk.

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<v Speaker 1>Talk and take teap breaths in on three one two three.

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<v Speaker 1>Well that's all we have time today.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm so happy I joined your cult.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks so much for listening to first things first, as always,

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<v Speaker 1>if we've made you laugh today or we've made you cry, happy, fun,

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<v Speaker 1>whatever you want, leave us a rating and a little review, and.

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<v Speaker 2>If you want to tell us anything, join our cult.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll reach out by our socials, which is also a cult.

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<v Speaker 1>My hand was like Brooke doup Bton. Maddie's head was

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<v Speaker 1>that it's Maddie Meals and we'll see you in the

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<v Speaker 1>next episode. Bye bye. Can't somebody

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<v Speaker 2>M