1 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:06,600 Speaker 1: This is what the flux. 2 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:09,680 Speaker 2: I'm Brett and I'm Justin and it's Wednesday, seventeenth of 3 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:12,640 Speaker 2: December Fox. Today we are doing a recap of some 4 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:15,440 Speaker 2: of the biggest tech stories of twenty twenty five. In 5 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:17,760 Speaker 2: twenty twenty five, we saw some of the biggest acquisitions 6 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 2: we've had in years and even bigger earnings results. But 7 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:25,119 Speaker 2: not just that, we also saw markets reacting, sometimes very quickly, 8 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 2: when expectations were met. It was part of this recap. 9 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:29,880 Speaker 2: We're not going deep on AI because it deserves its 10 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:32,960 Speaker 2: own dedicated recap episode, So enjoy this episode where we 11 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:35,239 Speaker 2: take a look back at the stories that define the 12 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 2: tech world in Australia and around the world in twenty 13 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 2: twenty five. 14 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:41,879 Speaker 1: Three splendid stories Today, Juzzy Boy, let's do it for 15 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:45,239 Speaker 1: our first domain, the Aussie real estate website, will be 16 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 1: sold to US real estate giant Coast in a deal 17 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:50,479 Speaker 1: worth two point eight billion dollars. 18 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:53,479 Speaker 2: Ooh, Aria Group not happy right now, It's got a 19 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 2: red competitor here be man, so tell me more well. 20 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 1: Juzzy Boy Domain is the real estate marketplace that first 21 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:02,320 Speaker 1: listed its properties online in nineteen ninety nine, back. 22 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:04,560 Speaker 2: When those real estate newspaper fold outs were the best 23 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 2: way to know which properties were selling. 24 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:09,960 Speaker 1: But Domain has always played second fiddle to real estate 25 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:12,959 Speaker 1: dot com dot a U in the digital real estate industry. 26 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:15,119 Speaker 2: Yet real estate dot com dot U has forty six 27 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 2: percent more monthly unique visitors than Domain. 28 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:20,760 Speaker 1: But Josie Boy, that didn't stop a mystery buyer from 29 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:24,119 Speaker 1: acquiring a sixteen point nine percent stake in Domain back 30 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 1: in February of this year. 31 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 2: And spoiler alert that mystery buyer was the US real 32 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 2: estate firm Coastar. Yep. 33 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:33,759 Speaker 1: They slid into Domain's DMS with an offer, which was rejected. 34 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:35,520 Speaker 2: Then they sweetened the deal, and. 35 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:40,120 Speaker 1: Now Domain's majority shareholder Nine Entertainment has backed this deal. 36 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 2: Which was it a forty two percent premium to Domain 37 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:44,679 Speaker 2: share price before the proposal. 38 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 1: And technically shareholders still need to vote on the deal. 39 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 2: Given nine has a sixty percent steak in Domain and 40 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 2: coast has now got nearly seventeen percent, there's not too 41 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 2: much up for debate. 42 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 1: Yep. So what's the key learning here? 43 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 2: Controlling stakes don't just influence outcomes, they often decide them. 44 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 1: Yep. When a company or a shareholder owns a large 45 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 1: stake in a business, they can effectively control the outcome 46 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 1: of major decisions. 47 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 2: Everything from leadership changes to mergers and acquisitions. 48 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 1: In this case, Nine owns sixty percent of Domain, which 49 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 1: means their vote basically seals the deal with Costar. 50 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 2: As long as Nine's on board, the deal is likely 51 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:18,680 Speaker 2: to go ahead. 52 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:21,799 Speaker 1: But does not all controlling shareholders are willing to facilitate 53 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:23,400 Speaker 1: a takeover like this deal. 54 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 2: Remember when the private equity firm KKR try to acquire 55 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:30,519 Speaker 2: the Australian hospital operator Ramsey Healthcare in twenty twenty two 56 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 2: for twenty billion dollars I do. 57 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:35,240 Speaker 1: The deal fell apart because the Ramsey family, which owned 58 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 1: nineteen percent of the company, did not back the proposal. 59 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 2: So be man at Controlling stakes don't just influence deals, 60 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 2: they often make or break them. For our second story, 61 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:48,080 Speaker 2: Google has announced its largest acquisition in history, acquiring cybersecurity 62 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 2: startup Whiz for thirty two billion US dollars. 63 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 1: Holy Smokerroni's not bad for a four year old company. 64 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 1: Juzzy boy, What is going on here? 65 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:57,959 Speaker 2: Ky So Whizz was founded back in twenty twenty and 66 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:00,359 Speaker 2: he's one of the fastest growing startups of all time. 67 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 1: Is an Israeli company that's New York based and sells 68 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 1: security tools that protect information stored in data centers. 69 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 2: And we know that the data centers are the second hottest 70 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:10,800 Speaker 2: word right now behind. 71 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 1: AI so jes wait. Google has now announced its acquisition 72 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:15,680 Speaker 1: of Whiz for thirty two billion US dollars, and this 73 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 1: is Google's largest acquisition by a country mile. The next 74 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 1: biggest is Motoroller Mobility in twenty eleven for twelve and 75 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 1: a half billion US dollars, which it. 76 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 2: No longer owns the men. Whiz currently works with others 77 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 2: like Amazon and Microsoft in the cloud market too, but 78 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 2: it's possible that Google will make the tech exclusive for 79 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:33,800 Speaker 2: Google customers in the future. 80 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 1: And interestingly, this isn't Google's first interaction with Wiz Nope. 81 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 2: Last year, Google tried to acquire Whiz for twenty three 82 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 2: billion US dollars, but they rejected the offer. 83 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 1: So now Google's having a second bite of their cherry, 84 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 1: and this time it's been successful, but paying forty percent 85 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 1: more than its original offer and thirty times Whizz's forecasted 86 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 1: future revenue. 87 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 2: So what is the key lenny here? 88 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 1: When big companies by smaller ones, they often assess value 89 00:03:57,120 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 1: using a multiple of revenue or a multiple of earnings. 90 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 2: For example, when Microsoft acquired LinkedIn, it was for eight 91 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 2: point seven times their revenue, and. 92 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 1: Into It acquired Mailchimp for about a fifteen times multiple 93 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 1: on their revenue. 94 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 2: But in this case, being Man Alphabet is paying thirty times. 95 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 2: Wiz is forecast at future revenue of one billion dollars, 96 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 2: or roughly sixty times their existing revenue. Because Wiz is 97 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 2: growing like wildfire YEP, It's one of the fastest growing 98 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 2: startups of all time according to the Wall Street Journal. 99 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:27,839 Speaker 1: Top of that, cybersecurity tools are in very high demand right. 100 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:30,799 Speaker 2: Now, so be man. Sometimes buyers will pay a premium 101 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:32,720 Speaker 2: when they say strategic. 102 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 1: Value, like Google securing a partner that also works with 103 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 1: its two biggest cloud rivals. Remember when Meta acquired WhatsApp 104 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:40,559 Speaker 1: for nineteen billion US dollars in twenty fourteen. 105 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:40,840 Speaker 2: YEP. 106 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:43,040 Speaker 1: At the time, WhatsApp was believed to be earning about 107 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:44,919 Speaker 1: thirty million bucks in annual revenue. 108 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:47,599 Speaker 2: It was a huge risk, but eventually a huge payoff 109 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 2: because What'sapp generated one point three billion revenue in twenty 110 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:51,360 Speaker 2: twenty three. 111 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:53,600 Speaker 1: Google's hoping Whiz will follow a similar part. 112 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 2: For our third and final story, Meta share price has 113 00:04:56,960 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 2: jumped nine percent after its quarterly earnings smash past investor 114 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:03,360 Speaker 2: expectations that the spenderthon is continuing. 115 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:07,279 Speaker 1: Not only Zuck bulking right now, but metas profits are too. 116 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:10,360 Speaker 2: Tell me more you No Meta. The company bid Facebook, 117 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:13,039 Speaker 2: which started in the Harvard dorm back in two thousand 118 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 2: and four. 119 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:15,600 Speaker 1: Since then it acquired Instagram and WhatsApp. 120 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:17,920 Speaker 2: And the man we know that the part man, part Cyborg, 121 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:20,360 Speaker 2: Mark Zuckerberg loves to chase the next big thing. 122 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 1: For a hot minute, it was creating a digital currency 123 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:23,280 Speaker 1: called Libra. 124 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:24,359 Speaker 2: And there was the hot a minute when it was 125 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:25,799 Speaker 2: creating the metaverse. 126 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:28,479 Speaker 1: And now the hottest minute with Meta focusing on competing 127 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 1: against Open Ai, Google and Anthropic for AI dominance. 128 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 2: But now Mark cyborg Berg has revenue of forty seven 129 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:39,280 Speaker 2: and a half billion US dollars for Meta's last quarter, up. 130 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 1: To twenty two percent. Year on you next minute, share 131 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:42,840 Speaker 1: price up more than nine percent, and. 132 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:45,559 Speaker 2: The Man Meta says that AI is becoming a real 133 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:49,039 Speaker 2: revenue driver for the business. While investors clearly like the vision, 134 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:51,719 Speaker 2: they also like the projected dollars coming through. 135 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:54,599 Speaker 1: But Josey Boit growth in revenue means next to nothing 136 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 1: if it's not coupled with a growth in earnings as well. 137 00:05:57,720 --> 00:05:59,040 Speaker 2: So what is the key learning here? 138 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 1: Well, revenue tells you how much a company made. Earnings 139 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 1: tell you whether they actually kept any of it. 140 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 2: For example, Meta earned forty seven and a half billion 141 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 2: dollars in revenue this quarter. 142 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:10,360 Speaker 1: Earnings, also known as profit or net income, is what's 143 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:12,039 Speaker 1: left after the bills are paid. 144 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 2: Think staff wages, AD spend, R and D and yes, 145 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:17,279 Speaker 2: those billion dollar data centers as well. 146 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:19,719 Speaker 1: And jes a boy for investors. Both metrics matter a lot. 147 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 2: But be man. In this quarter, Meta didn't just scre 148 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:24,160 Speaker 2: a revenue. It also grew its earnings per share by 149 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:25,599 Speaker 2: thirty eight percent. 150 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 1: And that was well above expectations. 151 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 2: So yes, Meta's AI dreams are expensive, but this quarter 152 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 2: at least it looks like they're starting to pay off. 153 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 1: And for shareholders who were worried that AI was becoming 154 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:36,800 Speaker 1: a money pit, it's a reassuring sign. 155 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:39,159 Speaker 2: Because it means the AI arms race might actually deliver 156 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 2: financial returns. Box Sham, thanks for listening to the biggest 157 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 2: tech stories of twenty twenty five. On Friday, we'll be 158 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 2: talking about the biggest stories from the streaming world this year. 159 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:51,280 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening, and we'll see you on Friday.