1 00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:07,040 Speaker 1: From The Australian. His what's on the front. I'm Claire Harvey. 2 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:14,040 Speaker 1: It's Monday, January twenty. The Federal government has hit trouble 3 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:17,520 Speaker 1: in its bid to increase tax on superannuation accounts worth 4 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 1: more than three million dollars. The government needs the Greens 5 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:24,600 Speaker 1: and at least three Senate crossbenches to pass the bill, 6 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 1: but most of the crossbencheres have told The Australian they're 7 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 1: against the change. Several elite universities have refused to accept 8 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 1: a definition of antisemitism proposed by Holocaust survivors, prompting the 9 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 1: Federal Government's Envoy on antisemitism, Jillian Siegel, to say she's disappointed. 10 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:53,680 Speaker 1: For thirty three years, Debbie and Earl Schoenberger have kept 11 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:58,440 Speaker 1: their daughter Jess alive against all odds. Today what Debbie, Earl, 12 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 1: their son Ariel and order Jess can teach us all 13 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:12,679 Speaker 1: about love? Sometimes as a journalist, there are stories you 14 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 1: keep coming back to in your career, stories that just 15 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:18,760 Speaker 1: don't want to let you go. In a case of 16 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 1: Fiona Harari, one of our most senior and experienced writers 17 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 1: here at The Australian, it's Jess, a young woman who 18 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:30,480 Speaker 1: with her family has an extraordinary story playing out in 19 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:34,959 Speaker 1: a suburban home just like every other one. He's Fiona 20 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:39,039 Speaker 1: reading a little of her latest story about Jess. 21 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:43,120 Speaker 2: On her most recent birthday, Jess Schoenberger woke to the 22 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 2: sounds of joy in her balloon forestoon, Sydney bedroom. Her 23 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 2: celebration loving family gathered around her for a photo and 24 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 2: produced a bounty of gifts, a David Walliam's book, a 25 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 2: watermelon scented candle, and a robotic toy Furbie. Then they 26 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 2: performed a rapper of the Happy Birthday song, hoping to 27 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 2: disguise the original version, which Jess has never really liked. 28 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:08,840 Speaker 2: They seem to have succeeded because Jess responded as she 29 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 2: usually does to moments of delight, widening her eyes, raising 30 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:16,119 Speaker 2: her brow, and gently grinning, a reaction that elicited even 31 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:19,440 Speaker 2: more joy from her family. There was a birthday cake two, 32 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 2: but Jess could not eat that, neither could she play 33 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 2: with her carefully selected gifts. Yet this November day was 34 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:28,520 Speaker 2: an occasion not only of happiness, but also of wonder 35 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 2: and of pride, because in another time, Jess was diagnosed 36 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 2: with a rare and life limiting genetic condition and doctors 37 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 2: told her parents she would not see her third birthday. Devastated, 38 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 2: they set about making the rest of her life safe, 39 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:45,120 Speaker 2: happy and warm. Encircled by love and supported by a 40 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 2: growing list of medical aids and medications. She reached her 41 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 2: first birthday having never crawled. She turned too without uttering 42 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 2: a word. She turned three. Each birthday was momentous, but 43 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 2: this one in late twenty twenty four, with a book 44 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:02,519 Speaker 2: that she had to be read because she cannot read, 45 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 2: and a scented candle she could not admire, was even 46 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:08,920 Speaker 2: more special because on this birthday, after three decades of 47 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 2: intensive care, just turned thirty three. 48 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 1: There's a picture accompanying Fiona's story, which is live now 49 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 1: at Beaustralian dot com dot a u slash health. It 50 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:25,640 Speaker 1: shows Jess, who's a brunette with fair skin, lying on 51 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 1: her side in bed under brightly colored covers, smiling towards 52 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:33,640 Speaker 1: the camera. Her mum, Debbie, sits on the bed close 53 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 1: to the camera, behind Jess's dad Earl and her brother Ariel. 54 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 1: They're all beaming with delight. Fiona has been doing this 55 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 1: for a long time and I've learned a lot from 56 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 1: her over the years about how to deal with contacts. 57 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 1: She can be tough and dispassionate, especially when she knows 58 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 1: the subject isn't going to like the story that she's written. 59 00:03:56,160 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 1: And Fiona can also be hugely empathetic and compassionate. She's 60 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 1: a writer in our health section, which means she's constantly 61 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 1: on the lookout for stories that are about the most 62 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 1: important subject of all, how we live, how we feel, 63 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:14,120 Speaker 1: how we look after ourselves and one another. And Fiona 64 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 1: knew this family story would resonate with our audiences. 65 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:23,160 Speaker 2: I've sort of known them vaguely over many years, lived 66 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 2: in the same area, we had family members who were 67 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 2: at similar schools, and I think, in fact, when Jess 68 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 2: was really young, I might have even been at a 69 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 2: birthday party that she was at, and by that point 70 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:37,360 Speaker 2: already had some pronounced difficulties and was in a wheelchair. 71 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 2: But I think I really got to know them about 72 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 2: twelve years ago, when I wrote a story for another 73 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 2: publication about parents who were raising children who had life 74 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 2: limiting illnesses, so, in other words, parents raising children who 75 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 2: were going to die in childhood. I interviewed a number 76 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 2: of families for that story. I went to a children's 77 00:04:57,320 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 2: hospice and in fact, in the course of doing that story, 78 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:03,120 Speaker 2: one of the children actually died during the period that 79 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 2: I was doing the interviews. It was an incredibly difficult 80 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 2: subject to tackle. But what's amazing, I think in Jess's 81 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 2: case over the past twelve years, is that it seems 82 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 2: to me that although her life is extremely difficult and contained, 83 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:24,800 Speaker 2: and it's not probably like the life that anyone most 84 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:28,239 Speaker 2: of us would ever come across, her story has actually 85 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:31,720 Speaker 2: become one now, not of dying, but of living. And 86 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:35,279 Speaker 2: I think that even as I approached her family to 87 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 2: do this next story now that she's thirty three, I 88 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 2: really didn't expect this to be such a positive story 89 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 2: and the warmth and optimism of this family to shine 90 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:50,920 Speaker 2: so brightly, and that I think is really what's changed, 91 00:05:51,000 --> 00:06:00,159 Speaker 2: I think remarkably now that Jess's thirty three. 92 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 1: Everything they say this family is about gratitude for Jess, 93 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 1: about how Jess has taught them something about living and 94 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:11,799 Speaker 1: about how to seize every day, to seize the moment. 95 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 1: But they're not shy about admitting that life has been tough, 96 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:15,720 Speaker 1: are they. 97 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 2: Not at all? And I think that's what well. It 98 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:21,360 Speaker 2: certainly makes it easier to interview them, and it makes 99 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:24,719 Speaker 2: it easier to tell their story to other people. They 100 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 2: do have extremely restrained lives. When Jess was born, there 101 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:33,919 Speaker 2: was no way of knowing that the parents carry this 102 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:37,560 Speaker 2: gene that has caused her to have Canivan disease. But 103 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:40,679 Speaker 2: by the time her brother came along, they were able 104 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 2: to do some testing to make sure that he wasn't 105 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 2: also born with it, so they're fully aware of what 106 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 2: they deal with. But the fact that Jess is here 107 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 2: at thirty three is basically testament to the fact that 108 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 2: her parents have been able to get together a group 109 00:06:57,120 --> 00:07:02,360 Speaker 2: of people very much steered by Debbie and Earl Jess's parents, 110 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 2: who are literally beside Jess around the clock. Because Jess 111 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 2: cannot swallow, the biggest risk to her life at thirty 112 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 2: three is that she might asphyxiate because she can't swallow 113 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 2: her salivas. So they have people with her not only constantly, 114 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 2: but they have to have people who have to suction 115 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 2: her constantly. But in between, you know, moving her and 116 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 2: doing all the things that they need to keep her alive, 117 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 2: there is so much effort put into making her life, 118 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 2: which is very contained, as joyous as possible, and in fact, 119 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 2: Earl said that his benchmark for every day is did 120 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 2: Jess laugh today? And pretty much every day they get 121 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 2: some laughter out of her. And you go into a 122 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 2: story like this not knowing what you'll see, not knowing 123 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 2: what to expect, and when you see how limited Jess 124 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 2: is in terms of her movements, you can see her 125 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 2: the expressions in her face that she does express joy, 126 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 2: which is a really beautiful thing. Her mum loves to, 127 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 2: for example, squeeze rubbish in front of her, or ring 128 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 2: bells or make really silly animal sounds, and you can 129 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:09,680 Speaker 2: see from Jess's face her joy in that. So they 130 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 2: make it so much easier to talk about their lives 131 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:14,080 Speaker 2: because they're so honest about it. But they yes, there 132 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 2: is a level of a huge level of gratitude that 133 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 2: I think most of us don't get to witness in 134 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 2: our everyday lives. 135 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 1: Coming up the conversation with a specialist, the family will 136 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 1: never forget and why they've been so determined to keep 137 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 1: Jess smiling. There's a moment that Debbie describes in your 138 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:49,559 Speaker 1: story before Jess's third birthday of sitting down with a 139 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 1: specialist who spoke to them in a way that clearly 140 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:57,680 Speaker 1: to Debbie and Earl sounded extremely harsh and stark. Debbie 141 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 1: quotes the specialist saying, you're only going to have her 142 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:03,319 Speaker 1: till she's three. She's not going to walk, she's not 143 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:07,360 Speaker 1: going to talk, she's not going to sit up. I 144 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 1: can sort of feel that this specialist might have been 145 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:13,960 Speaker 1: trying to sort of steal the family's spine, you know, 146 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 1: to say this will be over soon, trying to be 147 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:20,199 Speaker 1: kind in this kind of stark delivery of this diagnosis. 148 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 1: But clearly they didn't see it that way. 149 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 2: I think the fact that they still remember that encounter 150 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:29,920 Speaker 2: thirty three years ago so clearly gives you some sense 151 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 2: of how much it's stung them and continues to. 152 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:33,440 Speaker 1: To be fair. 153 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 2: There are so few cases of canneb and disease that 154 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 2: this doctor probably had never met anyone with it. But 155 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:43,320 Speaker 2: they were basically delivered this information, and then the doctor 156 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:44,839 Speaker 2: walked out of the room and said, well, Illa, you 157 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 2: sit here as long as you want to digest that information. 158 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 2: He was right in what he said. She didn't walk, 159 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 2: she didn't talk, she didn't eat. What is extraordinary is 160 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 2: that she has defied the odds by you know, thirty years. 161 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 2: But even so, I do under stand the hurt that 162 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:05,440 Speaker 2: they carry from that conversation, because it is probably the 163 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 2: most terrible conversation a parent will ever ever hear, and 164 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 2: to be imparted with that information in a really clinical 165 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 2: way is probably not the way you would do it today. 166 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 1: I think it really goes to something that I think 167 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:23,880 Speaker 1: that runs underneath this story, a current that runs underneath it, 168 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:27,680 Speaker 1: which is I suppose an old fashioned or maybe conventional 169 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 1: idea that listen, your lives are going to be easier 170 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:32,439 Speaker 1: if you just let go a little bit and let 171 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 1: this baby pass away, let her die, then you can 172 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:39,559 Speaker 1: move on with your lives. They have spent more than 173 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:45,559 Speaker 1: three decades actively preventing that from happening, immense self sacrifice. 174 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:49,560 Speaker 1: Do you do you think that they reflect on that 175 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 1: choice that they've made, or for them, was it not 176 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 1: a choice? 177 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:55,960 Speaker 2: Well, this is their life, Jess is their life. Keeping 178 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 2: Jess going, making her as comfortable and as happy as possible, 179 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:04,079 Speaker 2: has become their life. It's interesting because after I interviewed 180 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 2: them twelve years ago, I would drop in sometimes to 181 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:08,560 Speaker 2: visit them afterwards. I don't often stay in contact with 182 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:11,599 Speaker 2: people after stories, but I felt that I wanted to 183 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 2: see how she was doing, and sometimes I would drive 184 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 2: past their area and think they're still there every day, 185 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:21,600 Speaker 2: you know, doing these remarkable things for their daughter with 186 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:25,200 Speaker 2: so much love. And then to be able to step 187 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:29,320 Speaker 2: back into their home again after twelve years, and the 188 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:32,840 Speaker 2: absolute joy that Debbie greeted me with. I interviewed her 189 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 2: late last year, just after gestioned thirty three, and she said, honestly, 190 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:40,200 Speaker 2: I just want to dance. I'm so happy. This is 191 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 2: just the most amazing thing that our daughter is here 192 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 2: at thirty three. I think what this family in this 193 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:50,720 Speaker 2: story have made me realize is that you shouldn't judge 194 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 2: someone by how they look or what you think the 195 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:57,960 Speaker 2: circumstances of their life might be, because you know, love 196 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:03,080 Speaker 2: appears in many different guys and it has some truly 197 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:06,679 Speaker 2: remarkable outcomes. And I think this family is a testament 198 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:10,319 Speaker 2: to you can live a different life. You cannot go 199 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:14,079 Speaker 2: very far, but you can produce a tribe of remarkable 200 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:15,920 Speaker 2: people with their hearts in the best places. 201 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 1: Fiona Harari is a senior writer with The Australian. You 202 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:26,440 Speaker 1: can read her story and all the rest of our 203 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 1: journalism about health and everything else right now at The 204 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 1: Australian dot com dot au