1 00:00:01,440 --> 00:00:04,840 Speaker 1: What a tangle web we have created with the brave 2 00:00:04,880 --> 00:00:05,960 Speaker 1: new world of computing. 3 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:08,719 Speaker 2: And the thing is it prays on people's ego. You 4 00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:10,680 Speaker 2: don't want them coming back at you. If they're smart, 5 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:14,160 Speaker 2: they can ruin you. Yes, if they get a vindictive 6 00:00:14,200 --> 00:00:17,040 Speaker 2: sort of streak on. Jenny just walked up beside me 7 00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:21,079 Speaker 2: with her iPad and pointed it. Yes, pointed at the 8 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:24,880 Speaker 2: screen podcast scam. Oh, I see, and then there it is. 9 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 2: Then we opened it. After it, John, we opened it. 10 00:00:27,040 --> 00:00:29,639 Speaker 2: He followed the exact script, even down to the feet. 11 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:33,560 Speaker 1: I'm Andrew Rule. This is life and Crimes. It's many 12 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:36,040 Speaker 1: a long day since we had as a guest here 13 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:40,480 Speaker 1: my old mate Marty Fields. Now Marty Fields is known 14 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 1: to most of our listeners as a very funny man. 15 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:47,120 Speaker 1: He has been the length and breadth of the wide 16 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:52,040 Speaker 1: Brown and Land, entertaining people for far too long, probably Marty, 17 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:56,160 Speaker 1: but you come here today not really to crack jokes 18 00:00:56,320 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 1: so much as warners about a very sophisticated scam that 19 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 1: almost got under your guard. 20 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 2: It certainly did. 21 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 1: And how did this happen? Marty? What what went on? Well? 22 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:10,200 Speaker 2: Look, you and I we've both been around a bit, 23 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 2: and you know we know we know you well. You know, 24 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 2: we know how to spot a wood duck. We also 25 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:19,200 Speaker 2: know how to spot someone who's trying to have a 26 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 2: bit of a end of us. 27 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:21,960 Speaker 1: They're known as the black duck. 28 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:25,240 Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, yeah, I wonder what kind of duck they were. Anyhow, 29 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:28,559 Speaker 2: I got a very innocuous email from a guy saying, 30 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:31,399 Speaker 2: we're very impressed with you, know what you've achieved with 31 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 2: your career. We run a podcast in the United States. 32 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 2: This lady is called Kendrew G and they represent themselves 33 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 2: as Kendrew G Management. Now I didn't know Kendrad jiguse 34 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 2: I don't really listen to any podcasts except yours and mine, 35 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 2: so I didn't know who she was. But apparently she's 36 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 2: she's quite a big deal, and this sploke represented her 37 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 2: and he said please feel free to google it, and 38 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 2: I did so, and my wife, who's also not a deal, 39 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 2: she looked up. She seems real. It has a podcast 40 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 2: goes out Saturday night out of la And I said, okay, 41 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 2: fair enough. Anyway, right back, Yes, that'd be interesting. He 42 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 2: wants to talk to me, that's his thing. He wants 43 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 2: to just chat with me about going on the podcast 44 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 2: for an. 45 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:13,080 Speaker 1: Hour So this person that is in touch purports to 46 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 1: be the management of Kendred j correct. It says I 47 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:20,360 Speaker 1: want to talk to you Marty in Australia about yes stuff. 48 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:23,119 Speaker 2: And the platform he wants to use is some sort 49 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 2: of Facebook face to face video platform. I'm not particularly 50 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:30,680 Speaker 2: familiar with it. I've got a Facebook page which has 51 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 2: got probably maybe I guess around three hundred thousand people 52 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 2: who follow. It's just jokes and just you know, occasionally 53 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 2: I'll say something deep, but that's really very rare, and 54 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 2: I thought, well, that's nice. He's noticed me. So my 55 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 2: ego has been given a bit of a pom, which 56 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:47,960 Speaker 2: is lovely. And you know, I have been at this 57 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:50,080 Speaker 2: caper a fair while, so I'm thinking, oh, well, you know, 58 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:51,799 Speaker 2: this is the sort of thing that you occasionally get 59 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:54,399 Speaker 2: notsed for out of your own domain. That'll be all right. 60 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:56,960 Speaker 2: So they offered a three thousand dollars US fee for 61 00:02:57,000 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 2: an hour. 62 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:00,639 Speaker 1: And how did that strike you average? 63 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:04,359 Speaker 2: Actually, yeah, that seems to be like that that would 64 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 2: fall into a gig fee for me. I have to 65 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 2: go around the corner, and when you're doing it on 66 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:11,960 Speaker 2: your machine at home, you don't have to go anywhere, so. 67 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:16,120 Speaker 1: That strikes you. It just fits very neatly. Yes, And 68 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:18,519 Speaker 1: they may well have known that that's right. 69 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 2: They clearly had sort of done this before. And that's 70 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 2: what I thought at the time. They've hit the right 71 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 2: mark because I'm not the first person that they've used 72 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:32,240 Speaker 2: for this podcast, not thinking that it's a learned experience 73 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 2: from trying to give you a bit of a twist. Anyway, 74 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 2: So we back and forward a bit and I try 75 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 2: to explain to him that my Facebook doesn't work like that. 76 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 2: It's just a page, it's not a friend's Facebook thing. 77 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 2: Can we do it on Zoom? Can we do it 78 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:48,640 Speaker 2: on meetings? Can we do it on another platform? No? No, 79 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 2: and no. I said, look, I've tried to do this before, 80 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 2: set up you face to face things on Facebook. It 81 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 2: doesn't work. He said, I can talk you through it. 82 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 2: I said, okay, fair enough. He said, let's have a 83 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 2: Zoom meeting on Friday morning and we'll go through it. 84 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 2: And I said, yeah, okay, cool. So we did that. 85 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 2: He said it'll be nine am Melbourne time and I said, okay, cool. 86 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 2: You just so you know that's five hours behind LA time. 87 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 2: He said, yes, I know, yes, I know. This is 88 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 2: not speaking this is all writing, so at the moment 89 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 2: I can't hear his language or his talk or his 90 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 2: it's all words. And he says okay. And then I'm 91 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:24,279 Speaker 2: in front of the screen at nine am. No him, 92 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 2: no zoom, no let into the meeting. Nothing. So I 93 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:29,800 Speaker 2: email him saying I'm here. What's going on? He said, 94 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 2: I got the times wrong. It's ten am. Sorry, that's 95 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 2: that's three pm LA time. And I said, okay, cool. 96 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 2: So I come back at ten am and we have 97 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 2: a chat. He can see me. I can't see him. 98 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:42,599 Speaker 2: All I can see is the graphic of the show 99 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 2: at Kendred g Management. So I can't see him, but 100 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:47,040 Speaker 2: I can hear him. He's got a South African accent, 101 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 2: not not broad, not anything, so he not really Plenty 102 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 2: of South Africans go to America. 103 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 1: LA's full of people from somewhere else. 104 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 2: That's exactly right, Andrew. And I said to him, look, 105 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:03,720 Speaker 2: I don't know how to do this. He said, that's fine, 106 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 2: I'll talk you through it better. Still, why don't we 107 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:08,840 Speaker 2: just Are you in front of your computer? I said, no, 108 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 2: I'm in front of the iPad. He said, we'll go upstairs. 109 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 2: Get in front of your computer, all right, now click 110 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:16,799 Speaker 2: on your Facebook icon and it comes up and he says, okay, 111 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:18,720 Speaker 2: now you see down the side, and I said, no, 112 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:20,560 Speaker 2: it's not like that. It's not set up like you're 113 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:22,359 Speaker 2: explaining it. He said, but let me do it for you. 114 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:25,240 Speaker 2: Just punch this code into your computer and I can 115 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:28,840 Speaker 2: operate it and get it up for you. Bang alarm bell. 116 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 2: Because we're all told never give control to your computer 117 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 2: to anybody else in the whole wide world unless there's 118 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:37,240 Speaker 2: somebody you're paying two hundred dollars an hour to fix 119 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:40,040 Speaker 2: your computer from, you know, one of those tech y 120 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:43,159 Speaker 2: So then said to him, just in past, I said, 121 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:45,279 Speaker 2: this will take a minute. Gen Z is pricked up 122 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:47,359 Speaker 2: because she can hear it. Now. I'm up next to 123 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 2: her office, and that's my wife, and. 124 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:52,840 Speaker 1: She's the sort of clever one of the yeah, well 125 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 1: you look at it and beautiful. 126 00:05:57,040 --> 00:05:59,039 Speaker 2: She only staying at arms because it's easier than kissing 127 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 2: me goodbye. And she says, who's that and I said 128 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 2: it's the guy from LA and she said, oh yeah, 129 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 2: And he said, so, how's it been going over there? 130 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 2: And I said, great, a pity about what's going on 131 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:10,720 Speaker 2: with you guys over there? With the fires that come 132 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:13,479 Speaker 2: back and he said, what fires. 133 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 1: Oh that is so interesting. And so this has happened 134 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 1: right in the middle of the big fires. Yes, in La. Yes, 135 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:22,600 Speaker 1: it's on front of mine for everybody. Yes there, and 136 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:25,719 Speaker 1: you've mentioned it. Yes, and no they're there. Yeah. 137 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:27,600 Speaker 2: The Robbert's red glare not there. 138 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:28,280 Speaker 1: Oh dear. 139 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 2: Yeah. So now I'm very cautious and I'm saying, look, 140 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 2: I might get someone here to work it out for 141 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 2: me and then you can get back to me. And 142 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 2: he said you need to do it now. We need 143 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 2: to do it now, and then you know, you can 144 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:43,360 Speaker 2: pick an urger. And I said, no, no, I let 145 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 2: me get this right over here, because I get it 146 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:46,280 Speaker 2: right for you. I can get it right for everybody, 147 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 2: so it'd be great. So you're actually helping me. So 148 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 2: I'm not making the bloke dirty. I'm just still playing 149 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:54,600 Speaker 2: the wood duck right, perfect, right, Because if you get 150 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 2: them filthy, they don't want to come You don't want 151 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 2: them coming back at you. If they're smart, they can 152 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:01,800 Speaker 2: ruin you, yes, if they get a vindictive sort of 153 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 2: streak on you, So you've got to keep nice. Yeah, 154 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:07,240 Speaker 2: But I patted him down. He said, Okay, I'll get 155 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 2: back in touch. With you very soon. So, as it 156 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:12,680 Speaker 2: turns out, today Andrew I got a WhatsApp message from 157 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 2: him saying, we spoke the other day. I want to 158 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:16,960 Speaker 2: keep talking and see if we can make this work. 159 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 2: How did you go with your tech guy? Blah blah blah. 160 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 1: I see, And so having decided that he is, you know, 161 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 1: a shank and you know this for sure? Now, yes, 162 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 1: and we'll go into that, what is your what's going 163 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 1: to be your reaction to sort of stay nice but 164 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 1: rebuff him? 165 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:32,239 Speaker 2: I know, radio silence? 166 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:33,239 Speaker 1: Now, radio silence? 167 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, radio silence. They'll get sick of man, go on 168 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 2: to someone else. 169 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:38,600 Speaker 1: To go back in the story a little bit. What 170 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:41,560 Speaker 1: was your reaction then, once you twigged that you know 171 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:45,200 Speaker 1: he's a shonk and you've realized that you are not 172 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:47,679 Speaker 1: a wood duck. You on the ball, and you thought, 173 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 1: what'll I do next? Up to research this? What did 174 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 1: you find out? 175 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 2: I didn't have to do anything, because Jenny just walked 176 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 2: up beside me with her iPad and pointed it should yes, 177 00:07:57,120 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 2: pointed at the screen podcast scam, I see, and then 178 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 2: there it is. Then we opened it. After he'd gone 179 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 2: we opened it. He followed the exact script even down 180 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 2: to the fee. 181 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 1: The fee, even the exact fee. 182 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 2: The whole thing. So it's a podcast scam. And so 183 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 2: then you say to yourself what do they get out 184 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 2: of it? Like you understand that if someone's trying to 185 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 2: scam you out of a million dollars, they're trying to 186 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 2: get a million dollars. Yeah, what do they get out 187 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 2: of this? 188 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:20,040 Speaker 1: Yes? 189 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 2: Well, apparently what they do if you have enough followers, 190 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 2: it's worthwhile for them to take over your page. 191 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 1: Did you fall into a band of targets? 192 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 2: Exactly? 193 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:32,679 Speaker 1: You're that relatively rare creature that has a lot of. 194 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:36,440 Speaker 2: Followers, yes, right, and then they impersonate you, yes, by 195 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:38,600 Speaker 2: getting inside your Facebook thing? 196 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:40,600 Speaker 1: And what damage could they do then, Mark. 197 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 2: Well, then they lock you out for stars. 198 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:42,840 Speaker 1: Oh that's not good. 199 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:45,440 Speaker 2: No, So you've got no control. All the people that 200 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:47,679 Speaker 2: you would be telling hey, this is a scam. You 201 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 2: can't tell because they're the people who are still looking 202 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:51,560 Speaker 2: at your page thinking it's you. 203 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 1: They're they're driving your car, that's right, wearing your hat exactly, 204 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 1: speeding through yes, stop signs. 205 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 2: Yes, waving, and styling's see no it's not. So. He 206 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:05,240 Speaker 2: then monetizes putting on things on my page that he 207 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:07,560 Speaker 2: reaps the money from. Then he starts to try and 208 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 2: sell them fake donations and fake everything, which of course 209 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:16,439 Speaker 2: completely ruins my reputation. Yes, business wise, commercially, entertainment all gone. 210 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 2: And also you've lost all your followers. 211 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:22,200 Speaker 1: So of course it's not the worst thing that could happen. No, 212 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 1: but it's pretty catastrophic in a commercial sense. Yes, yes, 213 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 1: it's not brain cancer, that's right, but it's not nice, 214 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 1: that's right. And the thing is, this is not the 215 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 1: first time it's happened to me about God. Fifteen years ago, 216 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 1: in a much less sophisticated world, a guy emailed me saying, 217 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:42,839 Speaker 1: I am the pastor at Devon, our lady of the 218 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:46,720 Speaker 1: Twisted Sancho Church or whatever in Devon in the old Country. 219 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 2: Yes, Devon, which I thought at the time was a 220 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:51,559 Speaker 2: kind of chopped lunch meat. But it turns out it's 221 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:55,839 Speaker 2: a joint. It's a joint, and it sounds like a city, 222 00:09:56,040 --> 00:09:59,080 Speaker 2: doesn't it. They all sound like cities. And he said, 223 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 2: we want you to come and performed at our winter 224 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:06,440 Speaker 2: Solstice celebrations on you know, Jed December, the whatever, and 225 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:08,560 Speaker 2: to be marvelous, and we're going to pay you twenty 226 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:09,920 Speaker 2: thousand pounds. 227 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 1: And again you thought it was twenty thousand pounds sound 228 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:14,079 Speaker 1: a bit rich to you. 229 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 2: Well, it's it's an overseas trip. It's a long time 230 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 2: like that'd be my conference fee, going. 231 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 1: Okay, content for five wasn't so it wasn't mad. 232 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:26,960 Speaker 2: No, it wasn't mad. It was high as high. 233 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 1: But not mad. 234 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:27,719 Speaker 2: That's right. 235 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:30,320 Speaker 1: So you're still on the hook. Then, yeah, you go, 236 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 1: this is free, this is great, this is a second honeymoon. 237 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:35,040 Speaker 2: So I send in my bio and things and he goes, yes, 238 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:36,839 Speaker 2: I know who you are. You know, we've got people 239 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 2: here from Australia that want to see you. You know, 240 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:41,200 Speaker 2: that's why we get it's why you and you know, 241 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 2: blah blah blah. And I said, okay, fantastic. He said, 242 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:45,600 Speaker 2: Now all we need to do is get your visa 243 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 2: organized to come over bang visa because we've just come 244 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 2: back from the United States. I'm very skilled, and who 245 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:55,040 Speaker 2: needed a visa to go where. Besides that time, Jenny, 246 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:58,560 Speaker 2: my wife, was managing professional golfers and the majority of 247 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 2: her job was involved in getting the mental inos countries. 248 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:04,840 Speaker 1: And you knew she knew. Both of you knew. No 249 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 1: visa for the UK. 250 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 2: No, no visa for the U. And he said, just 251 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 2: send us a copy of your passport. That's all they wanted. 252 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:12,080 Speaker 1: That's all they wanted. 253 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:15,720 Speaker 2: All that nonsense was just so. I rang the pastor 254 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 2: at Devon, the Swiss. Yes, that's right, I found the 255 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 2: church and I rang him. Oh God, not another one, 256 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 2: for goodness, a scam boy. Hundreds of these dumb calls 257 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:30,080 Speaker 2: a week. I can't take it anymore, you know. So, 258 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 2: poor bugger. He's over there, you know, and they're using 259 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 2: it accent. Thank you. You're using him as the white 260 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 2: ball bouncing around on the rule up whell He an 261 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:41,960 Speaker 2: absolute passenger in this scam, same as me. His reputation 262 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:43,320 Speaker 2: is being slowly ruined. 263 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:46,320 Speaker 1: That is this one? So all they really want? Of course, 264 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:48,440 Speaker 1: I just want to get your details and then they 265 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 1: can do bad things with your passport exactly. They can 266 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 1: well tell me what they might do with your past. 267 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 2: Well, they can get a credit card, they can get 268 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 2: a driver's. 269 00:11:56,440 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 1: License, false ID, that's right, build a false. 270 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 2: Get alone in your name at the bank for five 271 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:04,720 Speaker 2: hundred thousand dollars for a property, all that sort of thing. 272 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:06,320 Speaker 1: Oh goodness, gracious mate. 273 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:07,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, they're really bad. 274 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 1: What a tangle web we have created with the brave 275 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 1: new world of computing. 276 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 2: And the thing is it praise on people's ego. It 277 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:20,559 Speaker 2: does praise on people's need to want to help. That's 278 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:23,320 Speaker 2: another kind of scam where that you know, they pretend 279 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:25,599 Speaker 2: you're you're getting a phone call from your daughter on 280 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 2: a number you don't know, and it's just a text 281 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:31,200 Speaker 2: saying Dad, I've lost my phone and it has my 282 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:33,960 Speaker 2: credit card in it. Can you please just send some 283 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:36,080 Speaker 2: money to the ATM, the A and Z in South 284 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:38,199 Speaker 2: Melbourne or something and give me the code and I'll 285 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 2: go and get it out right. 286 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:43,800 Speaker 1: And sometimes they pick up. If they send one hundred 287 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 1: of those, they might get one live one. 288 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:48,560 Speaker 2: It's all lines in the water. That was the theory 289 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:49,839 Speaker 2: behind the Nigerian prince. 290 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:53,439 Speaker 1: I think it's ridiculous. But one one little old lady 291 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 1: with cataract, that's it. 292 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 2: They press a button on a computer. They can send 293 00:12:57,400 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 2: a million emails in a second. Yes, so if only 294 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 2: one of them comes back, that's a decent day's work, 295 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 2: if you you know. And just as it's quiet tip, 296 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:08,560 Speaker 2: if you didn't know anything about global politics, you're never 297 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 2: going to get an email from a Nigerian prince. Because 298 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:14,080 Speaker 2: it's a presidential democracy. They only have a royal family. 299 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:16,200 Speaker 1: Haven't had one since the last one was eaten in 300 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:17,559 Speaker 1: about sixteen fifth. 301 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 2: Correct, delicious, I believe, but not around, Yes, exactly. Insert 302 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:25,240 Speaker 2: forty three funny missionary jokes here. I'll leave that for 303 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 2: another time. 304 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:28,560 Speaker 1: So are there funny missionary jokes? Oh? 305 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:29,080 Speaker 2: Hysterical? 306 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:31,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, to do with missionary positions? 307 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 2: Oh no, no, but this is a family show. 308 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 1: So you don't work blue? Did your dad work blue? 309 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 2: Not much? No, it never swore never. 310 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:46,600 Speaker 1: We're referring, of course, to the late great Murrayfield. Yeah, 311 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:50,400 Speaker 1: one of the icons of my childhood. When my grandmother 312 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:53,960 Speaker 1: turned on the telly in the bush in the plan 313 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 1: way back in the old black and white days. 314 00:13:56,120 --> 00:13:59,160 Speaker 2: There he was on Belbert, he certainly was. He was 315 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 2: on Belbert, he was on homicide, he was on skyways, 316 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:04,559 Speaker 2: he was on flying doctors with mum. He did all 317 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:07,079 Speaker 2: sorts of things like that. Anyway, Also, imagine how many 318 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:10,160 Speaker 2: people would have tried to target him with his profile, 319 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:12,880 Speaker 2: but fortunately he never got. 320 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 1: Fun Fortunately he was no longer with us before he could. 321 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 2: Be targeting exactly. It was an old Carnie as well. 322 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 2: He would have picked up on it. The other reason 323 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 2: that people get done also, and it's unfortunate, is because 324 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 2: of greed. 325 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 1: So you're saying that beautiful alloy, that mix of ego 326 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:30,240 Speaker 1: and greed is the perfecto. And we've all got it. 327 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:33,280 Speaker 1: We've all got ego, we've all got greed. Absolutely at 328 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 1: some level. 329 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 2: You know, why get five percent on your money when 330 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 2: with a better offer, with a little bit more risk, 331 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:42,560 Speaker 2: you can get twelve percent on your money or fifteen percent. Yes, 332 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 2: So it's never you going to quintupple your money. It's 333 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 2: always why get five percent? We can give you eleven percent. 334 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 2: And then they just doctor up a page that looks 335 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 2: like AMP, or looks like CBA, looks like anything. Yeah, 336 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:58,000 Speaker 2: and they can get you in again all lines in 337 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 2: the water. The more people yeah they can get to, 338 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 2: the more chances they are. 339 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 1: I have to say that after we had a phone 340 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 1: conversation the other day, I started to scroll through the 341 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 1: computer looking for this and for this very interesting stories 342 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 1: to do with this game. It goes back away, but 343 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:17,520 Speaker 1: despite the fact that it's been exposed, it keeps cropping 344 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:21,600 Speaker 1: up because it's such a plausible thing that they find 345 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:26,480 Speaker 1: someone like in the entertainment business like yourself or someone 346 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:29,000 Speaker 1: like that who's got a lot of followers, who is 347 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 1: in the gig economy. They do gigs and they haggle 348 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:36,760 Speaker 1: over prices and the perfect target. Absolutely, because you are 349 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 1: dealing with managers and management and booking agents and promoters 350 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 1: every week, haven't you. 351 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 2: Absolutely. Now, normally we would just pass this on to 352 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 2: our agents, but as it turned out, it was in 353 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 2: the middle of January, offices are closed, so every little 354 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 2: element it ticked every box. It's very clever, you know. 355 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 2: And I admired that, like I got done in Rome. 356 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 2: Heaven we all I got done in Rome in nineteen 357 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:02,720 Speaker 2: ninety seven. 358 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 1: Could you just clarify that please. 359 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:07,440 Speaker 2: I got out of the train at the Century Terminy 360 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 2: station in fresh off the plane from Australia, Yes, and 361 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 2: wheeled most suitcases to my hotel room. And then I 362 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 2: had to go for a walk because there wasn't enough 363 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 2: room in the room for me and the cases at 364 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 2: the same time. Small put the key in the front 365 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:22,880 Speaker 2: door and broke the back windows. A small room. I 366 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 2: rang room services. I could just send me a room. 367 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:27,320 Speaker 2: It's small like anyway, So I'm going for a walk. 368 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 2: And I walked back past the station and some guy 369 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 2: walks up to me, blonde hair, Swedish accent. He says, hey, 370 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 2: how are you And I said yeah, good. He said 371 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 2: you're just visiting. I said yeah, I just got here, 372 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:40,440 Speaker 2: you know, and you just want to have a chat. 373 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:42,600 Speaker 2: You don't know anybody in the joint. And he says, 374 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:45,280 Speaker 2: do you want some drugs? And I said, nah, I'm 375 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 2: all right. And he said I got, I got, I 376 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:49,480 Speaker 2: got some weed. It's nothing, you know, it's just some hash. 377 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 2: It's really good stuff. I said no, no, I'm fine and said, 378 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 2: oh okay, and bang a car pulls up right beside us, 379 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:58,880 Speaker 2: and two blokes get out. And I had done my 380 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 2: research and apparently in Italy, the less you look like 381 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 2: a copper, the more likely it is you are a copper. 382 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:04,359 Speaker 1: I see. 383 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:08,080 Speaker 2: The least powerful police have the most magnificent uniforms, all right, 384 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 2: the parking office unbelievable, Mussolini, unbelievable, right up to the 385 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:16,879 Speaker 2: real detectives, who just looked like tent warms Colombo. 386 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:17,679 Speaker 1: Terrible. 387 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:19,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, shock it. So they tumble out of this car, 388 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:24,440 Speaker 2: these two guys. One grabs him, one grabs me right, 389 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 2: and they put him in front of so I can 390 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:30,359 Speaker 2: see him over the shoulder of the dude that's talking 391 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:32,119 Speaker 2: to me, and he starts talking to me in it 392 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:34,720 Speaker 2: and I said, no, no English inglis. He said, okay, 393 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 2: did he offer to sell you drugs? And I said, 394 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:38,199 Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't want to give the bloke up. 395 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:40,879 Speaker 2: And I said, and I wasn't listening. He said he 396 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 2: sells drogs. I said does he? He said yeah, did 397 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:45,680 Speaker 2: he try and sell your drugs? I said no. He said, 398 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:49,480 Speaker 2: can I search you? And I said what for? And 399 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:51,960 Speaker 2: he said I'm going to search you? And so I 400 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:53,399 Speaker 2: said all right, and I just put my hands up 401 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 2: and he just gave me a bit of a frisk. 402 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:57,200 Speaker 2: If I had had drugs, he wouldn't found him anyway, 403 00:17:57,280 --> 00:17:59,639 Speaker 2: you know. And I can see the bloke over his 404 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:03,639 Speaker 2: shoulder putting that blonde die in their car, right, So 405 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:06,399 Speaker 2: I'm thinking, okay, they've got him. And now the second 406 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 2: guy comes over to me and he said, has he 407 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:10,199 Speaker 2: got drugs? You know they took obviously that's what they 408 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:13,159 Speaker 2: were saying to each other in Italian. And I said no. 409 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:15,080 Speaker 2: He said, you just get here and I said yeah. 410 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:16,879 Speaker 2: I said, welcome to early It's nice. Have you got 411 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:19,399 Speaker 2: money on you. I said, yeah, I do. He said, well, 412 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:20,879 Speaker 2: where do you keep it? And I said, it's just 413 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:22,520 Speaker 2: in my pocket at the moment I brought out and 414 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:25,640 Speaker 2: I just had six hundred thousand lira, which was six 415 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:29,119 Speaker 2: hundred bucks. And I said this, and he said, I 416 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:30,520 Speaker 2: don't carry it like that. You need to put it 417 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:34,719 Speaker 2: in your little waistband thing. So he opened up my waistband, 418 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:38,720 Speaker 2: you know, my thing, and he shoved it in there, right, 419 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 2: and then he closed the zip and he said, that's 420 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:41,800 Speaker 2: where you want to keep it, and I said, okay, 421 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:43,800 Speaker 2: thank you. He said, don't put it in your pockets 422 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:46,200 Speaker 2: are very dangerous. Enjoy your time, and really into the car. 423 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:50,040 Speaker 2: They sped off. Two hours later, after seeing my nineteenth 424 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:53,520 Speaker 2: museum and twenty fourth overpriced clothing shop, I went to 425 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:56,399 Speaker 2: have some lunch. I opened up my little thing. There's 426 00:18:56,440 --> 00:18:58,639 Speaker 2: my ward of money with one hundred thousand ra on 427 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 2: the outside and inside tens. 428 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:03,439 Speaker 1: Oh lovely. He'd just done the he'd. 429 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:06,080 Speaker 2: Done the most magnificent palms. So instead of getting filthy 430 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:09,800 Speaker 2: because it was six hundred so I'd lost five hundred dollars, right, 431 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 2: But instead of I just leant back in the back 432 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 2: of my chair, sipped macafe laty and said, well, that 433 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:15,919 Speaker 2: was beautiful. 434 00:19:16,119 --> 00:19:17,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, I just. 435 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:19,879 Speaker 2: Felt like that the Sting should be playing in the 436 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:23,440 Speaker 2: background because it's the start of the sting. It's absolutely, yes, 437 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 2: beautiful bit of con how Luther does it and how 438 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:29,199 Speaker 2: Luther does it. Yeah, it's just a wonderful thing and 439 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:29,800 Speaker 2: it's real. 440 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 1: Without doubt, one of the most entertaining books and films 441 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:35,160 Speaker 1: and bit of ragged on music. 442 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:37,320 Speaker 2: Yes, wonderful. I played it all as a kid on 443 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:40,800 Speaker 2: the piano. There's all those tunes, the Scott Joplin stuff. Wonderful. 444 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's nothing you can't do. I don't know about 445 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 1: that now, Marty, I think we should talk about what 446 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:49,880 Speaker 1: people should do if they've been scammed. 447 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:51,040 Speaker 2: Well, what would you do? 448 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:56,639 Speaker 1: I'd panic, I'd swear, I'd sit down, I'd make a 449 00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:59,880 Speaker 1: cup of tea and then I'd think. Now I'd start 450 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:01,399 Speaker 1: I think it through and come down a bit. But 451 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:03,240 Speaker 1: it will take me a while to sort of settle. 452 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:07,399 Speaker 2: Well, the first thing you should do is contact scam Watch, 453 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:10,439 Speaker 2: Is that right? Yeah, the government website. All you have 454 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:12,960 Speaker 2: to do is Google. I think I have been scammed. 455 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:14,640 Speaker 2: What do I do if I've been scammed? It will 456 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:17,320 Speaker 2: send you straight to that government. Make sure it's the 457 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 2: right one there, otherwise you could get done there too, 458 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:24,840 Speaker 2: and fill out the forms they ask for any photographic evidence, 459 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 2: anything you can give them. That's going to help them 460 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:30,119 Speaker 2: because it's a collective knowledge database that they've got, and 461 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:33,359 Speaker 2: then they can release information on the net saying watch 462 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:36,160 Speaker 2: out for the podcast scam, watch out for the you know, 463 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 2: the devon priest thing all that poor bugger still feel bad. 464 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:42,760 Speaker 1: He died from that accent. 465 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:49,640 Speaker 2: He was that old, had a signed copy of the Bible. 466 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:57,200 Speaker 2: Old the dead sea was just getting sick anyway, he 467 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:00,560 Speaker 2: is a target for us today. But that is a 468 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:02,399 Speaker 2: sad thing for him. But what you need to do, 469 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:05,320 Speaker 2: get on to scam Watch. They'll take all your details. 470 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:07,320 Speaker 2: They'll also give you an idea of what to do. 471 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 2: First thing you should do is try and close off 472 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 2: the conduit of funds, if there is such a thing. 473 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:15,480 Speaker 2: If that's what they're doing, so directly contact your bank, 474 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:19,440 Speaker 2: Directly contact your credit card, thing all that. See what's 475 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:22,560 Speaker 2: happened and see if you have actually lost anything. If not, 476 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:26,399 Speaker 2: bang pulled the roll door down, change passwords, change this, 477 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:28,879 Speaker 2: change that, make yourself immune again. 478 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:31,520 Speaker 1: Tell me this to go back to your case. Had 479 00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:34,960 Speaker 1: it been three weeks later and your agent was around, 480 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:38,600 Speaker 1: would they have got to your agent and could they 481 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:42,800 Speaker 1: have got any sense from the agent. Could they scam 482 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:43,280 Speaker 1: the agent? 483 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:44,720 Speaker 2: I wouldn't have thought. 484 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 1: So I'm not trying to think this through. I can't. Yeah, 485 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:49,359 Speaker 1: I can't think that fast. 486 00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 2: I think yeah. I think that they get around the 487 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:56,159 Speaker 2: agent by saying it's not a huge amount of money. Okay, 488 00:21:56,240 --> 00:22:00,440 Speaker 2: you know what I mean, because occasionally my agency pretty 489 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:02,360 Speaker 2: cool that sort of stuff. You know, there's little things 490 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:04,600 Speaker 2: that it's more work to them that it's worth and 491 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:06,800 Speaker 2: if I'm happy, just like it's just a podcast sitting 492 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:09,320 Speaker 2: at home at the piano, right, Oh, okay, I don't 493 00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:11,240 Speaker 2: have to do anything. They don't have to do anything. 494 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:14,199 Speaker 2: I would put the money back through my agency so 495 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:15,840 Speaker 2: they can cop a whack out of it, but I'd 496 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:18,600 Speaker 2: organize it's simply just to make it easier, right Anyway. 497 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:20,640 Speaker 2: The funny thing I saw on the scam Watch thing 498 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:23,359 Speaker 2: was be careful of companies that now contact you offering 499 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 2: to help get your money back, because a lot of 500 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:28,639 Speaker 2: them can be scams as well. Now, I want to 501 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:32,160 Speaker 2: know how they get that that If you know what I. 502 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:34,840 Speaker 1: Mean that they already know that someone's a target of 503 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:37,160 Speaker 1: a scam. Yes, that is a very good point. 504 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:38,639 Speaker 2: It is very good, isn't it. 505 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 1: It's a left hand doing following the right hand. Yes. 506 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 2: If they have no luck with you, they might put 507 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:46,040 Speaker 2: you in the follow up in two weeks. Oh, pile, 508 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:49,880 Speaker 2: he's wonder welcome. This is scam Watch contacting you. Thank 509 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 2: you for contacting us. 510 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:54,800 Speaker 1: Is there anything quite as efficient as corruption and criminality? 511 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:55,800 Speaker 2: Apparently not. 512 00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:59,480 Speaker 1: It's so good. They work around the clock. Yes, and 513 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:01,720 Speaker 1: nothing's too hard for them. 514 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:04,720 Speaker 2: And when AI gets going, forget about it, because what 515 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:07,440 Speaker 2: you're going to be able to see is me calling 516 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:10,720 Speaker 2: you on a video phone saying, Andrew, I need a grant. 517 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:12,639 Speaker 2: I've got the fourth leg of the quaditya. It's an 518 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:15,960 Speaker 2: absolute matza, but I can't quite get the funds up. 519 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 2: Blah blah blah. And you're seeing my face but no, 520 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:21,760 Speaker 2: I'm an absolute computer generated image. Oh my goodness, it's 521 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 2: all coming. 522 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:24,840 Speaker 1: That's not going to be good for some people. 523 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 2: No, it's not going to be good for anybody. Really. 524 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:28,200 Speaker 2: I think AI will be the end of the world. 525 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:29,240 Speaker 2: That that's another story. 526 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:32,440 Speaker 1: It could be. It might infect all sorts of things. 527 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 2: Anyway, let's not leave it or no, no, if people 528 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:38,720 Speaker 2: want to follow me, yes, just go to Facebook. Just 529 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:43,080 Speaker 2: don't go to normal Facebook. Go to Facebook pages, Facebook pages. Yeah, 530 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:48,000 Speaker 2: it's or just google Marty Field's comedian, Marty Field's comedian 531 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:49,640 Speaker 2: and you'll see my beautiful face there. 532 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:52,240 Speaker 1: And is it an old fighter? 533 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:58,359 Speaker 2: No, it's so mean. I know I'm not that good looking. Well, 534 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:01,160 Speaker 2: I've never been good looking, Andrew neither of No mate. 535 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:03,440 Speaker 2: When I was a kid, what happened? My parents put 536 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:06,360 Speaker 2: me in an ugly baby competition? They said, sorry, no professionals. 537 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:12,200 Speaker 1: Oh that'sble now. I know we've been through this before. 538 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:14,800 Speaker 1: But some of our listeners, there are many more of 539 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:18,199 Speaker 1: them now, and some of them won't know the story 540 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:22,680 Speaker 1: about your late mother, val who passed away down and 541 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:26,480 Speaker 1: I'm going to say Port Melbourne, but Albert Park it's 542 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:29,720 Speaker 1: close to Port Melbourne. And of course she came from 543 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:32,199 Speaker 1: an era back in the vaudeville days and all the 544 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:34,040 Speaker 1: rest of where she knew a lot of scaley wags 545 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:38,640 Speaker 1: and scoundrels as your dad did in the nicest possible way. 546 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:42,440 Speaker 1: And what did you find when you were cleaning out 547 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:43,960 Speaker 1: your mother's nice little house. 548 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:46,680 Speaker 2: Four guns? Four four guns? 549 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:48,440 Speaker 1: Is that all he was? I thought there were fourteen 550 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:49,880 Speaker 1: four and. 551 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:53,080 Speaker 2: I sent you pictures of them. And the curtains were 552 00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:55,919 Speaker 2: weighed down with bullets. Not those slugs that you see 553 00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 2: in normal old curtains. These were bullets. That's where they'd 554 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:00,639 Speaker 2: put them down the curtain. 555 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,520 Speaker 1: Is that a fact? And so she had now just 556 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 1: run through this for benefit of our listens, listen to 557 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:10,879 Speaker 1: the no, no, no, this it live. This the bedside 558 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:11,919 Speaker 1: draw table. 559 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:14,800 Speaker 2: There was a handgun on the bedside draw There was 560 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:17,119 Speaker 2: there was a rifle under the floor. There was a 561 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:20,200 Speaker 2: rifle behind the wardrobe, and there was a sawn off 562 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:23,439 Speaker 2: in the back shed which I had been using to 563 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:26,960 Speaker 2: put what was long sort of garden stakes in because 564 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:28,680 Speaker 2: all I could see were the two holes coming out. 565 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:30,919 Speaker 1: Just popped them in there. Yeah, well, I'm glad it 566 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:32,560 Speaker 1: wasn't loaded and cocked. 567 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:35,640 Speaker 2: Because no, so they would shot, wouldn't guy, rocket wouldn't 568 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:37,359 Speaker 2: be good, very bad. 569 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:40,240 Speaker 1: You formed the belief I think that after a particular 570 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:43,640 Speaker 1: the incident in the neighborhood where Chap was shot dead, 571 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:47,280 Speaker 1: that maybe one of the scally wags or scoundrels came 572 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:51,359 Speaker 1: around and popped out a rifle in my father's boot, 573 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:55,480 Speaker 1: your father's boot, the Kings would the Premier, the Gold Premier, sorry, 574 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:57,400 Speaker 1: the gold. Dad drove around with it for six weeks 575 00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:58,240 Speaker 1: and then the bloke. 576 00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:01,080 Speaker 2: Came and got it back and that was yeah, And 577 00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:03,920 Speaker 2: that was who was that chap? That might have been 578 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:07,480 Speaker 2: Mark Brandon Reid. Really, yes, that was my understand that's 579 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:09,000 Speaker 2: what Dad told me. I'm not sure if they's accurate. 580 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:10,800 Speaker 2: I don't think Dad knew who that guy was. A 581 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:14,800 Speaker 2: young fella, heavily set, short dark hair. Oh well, but 582 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:17,480 Speaker 2: probably might not have been. I think Dad might have 583 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:19,760 Speaker 2: made a false connection there. But I definitely know that 584 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:22,760 Speaker 2: it was the gun that was involved in a matter 585 00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:23,959 Speaker 2: at the Druids Hotel. 586 00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:26,520 Speaker 1: I see that is so interesting. 587 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:29,280 Speaker 2: But I don't know why the Texan anyway of. 588 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:33,080 Speaker 1: The Texan was involved. Well, the Texan got locked up 589 00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:36,600 Speaker 1: for it, yes, and he was clearly you know, close by. 590 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:40,000 Speaker 2: But Dad knew all the p and D so did I. 591 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:41,560 Speaker 2: At the Council Club, that was fun. 592 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:43,879 Speaker 1: That was great, good audiences. 593 00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:47,480 Speaker 2: With fabulous big tippers, laughers. Big tippers love to sing along, 594 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:50,280 Speaker 2: fight like forty men, all of them. It was always 595 00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:50,720 Speaker 2: a stink. 596 00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:51,359 Speaker 1: But it was. 597 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:54,840 Speaker 2: There were funny fights, not normal sort of like you 598 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,919 Speaker 2: see now, terrible shocking things to look at. These were hilarious, 599 00:26:57,920 --> 00:26:59,960 Speaker 2: like they were all having a blue one night outside 600 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:04,200 Speaker 2: Her Majesty's hotel in Paran, all these old knock about 601 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:06,640 Speaker 2: gangsters having the biggest stink of all time. And one 602 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:08,640 Speaker 2: of them said, I've just done me gold tooth. It's 603 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:12,040 Speaker 2: gone somewhere. They all stopped, and they stopped, and they're 604 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:14,800 Speaker 2: all looking on the ground. Come over here. It's not 605 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:16,760 Speaker 2: over there, I know, but the light's better over here, 606 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,639 Speaker 2: you know. And they found it, got it banged straight 607 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:20,920 Speaker 2: back in into it we go again. 608 00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:24,719 Speaker 1: That's true story. Yeah, they're a bit different. They from 609 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:29,840 Speaker 1: the fellows that we've seen mowed down Sam the Punisher, 610 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:33,920 Speaker 1: who they don't look for gold teeth. 611 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:38,159 Speaker 2: No, they wouldn't have to look too far in that circumstance. 612 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:38,920 Speaker 1: I should. 613 00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:41,639 Speaker 2: No, I don't like to see anybody, you know, getting 614 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:43,639 Speaker 2: hurt and stuff. But it's a real lived by the 615 00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:47,239 Speaker 2: sword prophecy, isn't it. And just before we wrap up, 616 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:50,719 Speaker 2: because I've got a a you know, you've got places 617 00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:52,720 Speaker 2: to go, I've got things to do, and there's something 618 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,040 Speaker 2: in the boot not getting any fresher anyway. 619 00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:58,919 Speaker 1: Not a body. It might be a body, but not 620 00:27:58,960 --> 00:27:59,359 Speaker 1: a human. 621 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 2: No, you've got to I'm done with. 622 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:01,600 Speaker 1: It might be just a choke. 623 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:05,280 Speaker 2: Look, honestly, if my grandfather knew how little we spent 624 00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:07,720 Speaker 2: on his funeral, he'd be rolling over in the garage now. 625 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:11,760 Speaker 2: So something I just wanted to point out. Often you'll 626 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:14,760 Speaker 2: get an email from your bank, or from a building society, 627 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:17,440 Speaker 2: or from Visa or American Express or something like that, 628 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:22,119 Speaker 2: or very very commonly from PayPal or a mob like that. 629 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:23,800 Speaker 2: You might be involved. You might have an account with 630 00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:26,600 Speaker 2: PayPal or something like that. It will say, we just 631 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,080 Speaker 2: are doing a quick security check. We suggest it's time 632 00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:31,720 Speaker 2: to change your password. Blah blah blah. If you see 633 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:35,280 Speaker 2: a link in the email, never ever ever click that link, 634 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:40,040 Speaker 2: because that immediately says that it's a scam. No building society, 635 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:40,800 Speaker 2: no bank, No. 636 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:41,600 Speaker 1: Send a link. 637 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:43,600 Speaker 2: They would never send a link. They would always say, 638 00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 2: please log into your PayPal account, or please log into 639 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:49,920 Speaker 2: your bank account, please contact your branch. No link, no link, 640 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:55,959 Speaker 2: Never click on any email link ever. Ever. That's exactly it. 641 00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:57,760 Speaker 2: When in doubt, do nothing. 642 00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:01,160 Speaker 1: I ignore stuff, and I think, well, one day I 643 00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:03,960 Speaker 1: noticed there was a small problem. I didn't register a 644 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,640 Speaker 1: car for nine months and my brother in law was 645 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:08,440 Speaker 1: driving it and got pulled up and that was a 646 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:12,480 Speaker 1: little bit sad. But anyway, the fine was only the 647 00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:16,560 Speaker 1: same amount as I'd saved in registration. Oh perfect. Anyway, 648 00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:17,360 Speaker 1: that's another story. 649 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, that's that's very good. Now, don't ever do that. 650 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:23,040 Speaker 2: That's really important. And that's that's very very common way 651 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:25,280 Speaker 2: that they get you, because the way they can mock 652 00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:28,760 Speaker 2: things up now to look exactly like a cormal thing 653 00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:29,520 Speaker 2: is incredible. 654 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,560 Speaker 1: Of course they can. And we I mean we open computers, 655 00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:34,680 Speaker 1: we look at the page. How can you pick one? 656 00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:36,400 Speaker 2: And you're on the phone all the time? Your phone's 657 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:38,520 Speaker 2: got emails and you sit there. You're boring, you know, 658 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,240 Speaker 2: and so you jump on your phone and you're not 659 00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:44,160 Speaker 2: looking too closely either. And some of these links you 660 00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,720 Speaker 2: only need to bump on with your thumb and suddenly 661 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:48,480 Speaker 2: you're you're in there, and you still think you're on 662 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:49,200 Speaker 2: the same page. 663 00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:52,959 Speaker 1: And again they've sent out five thousand of them. They 664 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:54,560 Speaker 1: only need five to be live. 665 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:58,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. So, for example, your bank often sends 666 00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:01,880 Speaker 2: out online statements. That's fine, but it always says like 667 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:02,880 Speaker 2: I'm with the Commonwealth. 668 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:04,040 Speaker 1: It says me too. 669 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:06,560 Speaker 2: Well, they would say, log into your net. 670 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,760 Speaker 1: Common would like to sponsor our show. Here. 671 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:12,280 Speaker 2: I see why they wouldn't you to run around with 672 00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:12,960 Speaker 2: their jump around? 673 00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:15,800 Speaker 1: Do you think if they're having a sort of a 674 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,640 Speaker 1: Christmas party or something like guests. 675 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:20,440 Speaker 2: To come along you and I, what do you think 676 00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:22,440 Speaker 2: to loose pages from the Book of fun? 677 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:26,880 Speaker 1: We will be loose? Is the right word. Now. When 678 00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:29,880 Speaker 1: we started this conversation, Mardy, it started out as saying 679 00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:33,360 Speaker 1: that you got something from somebody who purported to be 680 00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:36,600 Speaker 1: the management of one Kendred g That's right. 681 00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:40,600 Speaker 2: Now. She definitely is not involved. There's absolutely no way 682 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:43,480 Speaker 2: that she proper. She is a real proper person with 683 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:46,720 Speaker 2: a real propper probably very interesting podcast. I could listen 684 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:49,320 Speaker 2: to it. But it's it's clever because all they had 685 00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:51,720 Speaker 2: to do was say, you know, set up an email 686 00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:55,400 Speaker 2: address kendreg Management at gmail dot com. You can set 687 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,800 Speaker 2: up anything at gmail dot com. Yeah, at hotmail or whatever. 688 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:03,160 Speaker 1: And when you clicked on the computer and looked at it, 689 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,320 Speaker 1: there's the logo on the screen. 690 00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:09,479 Speaker 2: Which they've just copied off her web easy. It's so easy. 691 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:10,480 Speaker 1: It's that simple. 692 00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:13,240 Speaker 2: With it and the thing is, it's how really good 693 00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:15,640 Speaker 2: magicians work. You think no one would go to that 694 00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:17,560 Speaker 2: amount of trouble to make that work. So my brain 695 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,800 Speaker 2: is going to eliminate that possibility of how they did it. Yes, 696 00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:22,760 Speaker 2: and I'm going to look for the most obvious ways 697 00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:24,440 Speaker 2: that they could have done it. Yes, that's how the 698 00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:28,280 Speaker 2: great magicians work. They do things that are so clever 699 00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:33,480 Speaker 2: and intrinsic and time consuming. Thing you couldn't possibly have 700 00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:37,280 Speaker 2: set up a radio controlled thing in your pocket that 701 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:39,440 Speaker 2: is sending a signal to a light at the back 702 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,320 Speaker 2: of the room that is flashing so the guy can 703 00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:44,200 Speaker 2: see how many somethings there are that would have taken 704 00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:46,440 Speaker 2: so much time, and you wouldn't have set it up 705 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:48,120 Speaker 2: in every theater that you're doing on the tour. 706 00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:51,880 Speaker 1: But yes, they do, Yes, okay, ye, these are the 707 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,120 Speaker 1: magicians of the scamming age. 708 00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,120 Speaker 2: They are, they are, and they are to be applauded. 709 00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:59,760 Speaker 2: If you can remain impervious to them, sit back and 710 00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:02,840 Speaker 2: watch the show. It's entertaining. And speaking of entertaining, I'll 711 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:05,240 Speaker 2: leave you with this. There are some fantastic things on Instagram. 712 00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:06,720 Speaker 2: By the way, you can follow me on Instagram too, 713 00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:11,320 Speaker 2: that's always fun. There's people getting scammers angry, so they 714 00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:14,600 Speaker 2: film themselves talking to the scammer in Indonesia or some 715 00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:18,520 Speaker 2: wonderful it's so funny, and they screaming at them. No, 716 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,080 Speaker 2: I'm not quite sure what you're telling me to do. 717 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:21,560 Speaker 1: You know. 718 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:25,080 Speaker 2: I drive them crazy. It's so entertaining. So if you 719 00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:26,720 Speaker 2: can find some of them, they're a lot of fun. 720 00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:31,160 Speaker 1: I have a relative who sometimes finds scammers. There's a 721 00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:34,000 Speaker 1: lot of low level scammers. They offer something for sale 722 00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:35,720 Speaker 1: and you ring up, you know, and I want to 723 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,800 Speaker 1: buy your car yea. And of course anybody who's really 724 00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:40,880 Speaker 1: selling a caravan or a horse slade for a couch, 725 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:43,000 Speaker 1: they're very inclined to want to sell it. So if 726 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,000 Speaker 1: you say I'm going to come around with my trailer 727 00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:47,360 Speaker 1: and pick it up and buy you, the real ones 728 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:49,120 Speaker 1: are going to go, yeah, beauty, you know, I'll see 729 00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:51,840 Speaker 1: you in an hour. But these ones go, oh no, no, mate, 730 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,360 Speaker 1: I've got a babysitting the kids. No, no, I've got 731 00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:57,600 Speaker 1: concert tickets tonight. That's right, and all this. And my 732 00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,920 Speaker 1: cousin what he does sometimes is ring them up and 733 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,400 Speaker 1: badge of them, say I can get around there. I've 734 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:08,600 Speaker 1: got cash and know them all. It's good, good, good, 735 00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,400 Speaker 1: very funny. And on that note, we are going to 736 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:14,520 Speaker 1: think Marty Fields for making the time to come all 737 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,920 Speaker 1: the way from where he lives in another postcode almost 738 00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:22,960 Speaker 1: and took to us here at Harold's Son headquarters to 739 00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:26,600 Speaker 1: Life and Crimes. Your life. You've known a lot of 740 00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:30,400 Speaker 1: crimes along the way, but you've never committed any or 741 00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:30,760 Speaker 1: not many. 742 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:32,800 Speaker 2: I've never been caught, never convicted. 743 00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:39,800 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening. Life and Crimes is a Sunday Herald 744 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:44,800 Speaker 1: Sun production for True Crime Australia. Our producer is Johnty Burton. 745 00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:49,480 Speaker 1: For my columns, features and more, go to haroldsun dot 746 00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:55,040 Speaker 1: com dot au, forward slash Andrew rule one word. For 747 00:33:55,240 --> 00:34:01,040 Speaker 1: advertising inquiries, go to news podcasts sold atnews dot com 748 00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:06,280 Speaker 1: dot au. That is all one word news podcast's soul. 749 00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:11,000 Speaker 1: And if you want further information about this episode, links 750 00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:12,760 Speaker 1: are in the description.