WEBVTT - Flannibal Lecter or Baiting Critta? 0:00:08.240 --> 0:00:10.799 But we're back for another edition of the Daily Telegraph 0:00:11.000 --> 0:00:13.960 Eneral podcast. Pem Wyley, I'll go to you first because 0:00:13.960 --> 0:00:16.400 the team has been upsetting me this morning for here. 0:00:16.520 --> 0:00:18.799 So why Yeah, Wata. 0:00:19.160 --> 0:00:24.599 I just suggested that Penris missing Dylan Edwards and James 0:00:24.640 --> 0:00:27.680 Fisher Harris is the equivalent of Paramatta missing eight players 0:00:27.680 --> 0:00:30.240 on the weekend. I called it roster math. 0:00:30.560 --> 0:00:33.000 Please, can you everyone just an email Fatima and let 0:00:33.040 --> 0:00:34.960 her know what you think about that, because. 0:00:34.720 --> 0:00:37.840 I'm just going to run lot some names. 0:00:36.840 --> 0:00:42.440 Mitchell, Moses, Junior Barlow, Mike Acivo, Jermaine Hopgood, Charlie Geimer, 0:00:42.560 --> 0:00:44.120 Hayes Dunster, Luca Moretti. 0:00:45.000 --> 0:00:49.200 Yeah, I'll let you include Luca Baretti and Charlie Geimer. 0:00:49.479 --> 0:00:51.320 How many games combined they played? 0:00:51.720 --> 0:00:51.879 Well? 0:00:51.960 --> 0:00:54.360 Charlie Gomer had two really good games and then got injured. 0:00:54.400 --> 0:00:58.800 So have you an issue with Charlie? Al Right, Okay, 0:01:00.720 --> 0:01:03.640 if I asked for backup one thing and you turned 0:01:03.680 --> 0:01:05.920 on me, foxle with you. 0:01:07.880 --> 0:01:09.959 Let's let's get how was your weekend? 0:01:10.240 --> 0:01:12.240 It was good? Yeah, it was full on a lot 0:01:12.280 --> 0:01:14.279 of footy, a lot of good games to watch. 0:01:15.600 --> 0:01:18.959 Yeah, there was lots of good NURL action and RLW action. 0:01:19.240 --> 0:01:25.559 So yeah, yeah, they've gone great guns. 0:01:26.000 --> 0:01:29.360 Yeah. So yeah, it was long. It was a long weekend. 0:01:29.360 --> 0:01:33.120 I was up in Newcastle yesterday so yeah, long day. 0:01:33.440 --> 0:01:33.640 Long. 0:01:34.040 --> 0:01:35.880 It was a long day. Yeah, but good day. 0:01:36.040 --> 0:01:38.200 What about now that we're putting you know what on 0:01:38.200 --> 0:01:39.600 people's teams about your Raiders. 0:01:39.760 --> 0:01:42.160 Listen, if you read the tackle, you know that I 0:01:42.360 --> 0:01:45.759 was very well at least skating of one person, Joe 0:01:45.800 --> 0:01:46.800 Tarping in that performance. 0:01:46.840 --> 0:01:50.880 But yeah, fifty thirty eight tackles. Jeez, how could you 0:01:50.920 --> 0:01:52.400 pick on him? What did you go wrong? 0:01:53.440 --> 0:01:56.160 Come on, you cannot be the guy who's going to 0:01:56.200 --> 0:01:58.760 be the spiritual leader of this club moving forward once 0:01:58.800 --> 0:02:02.400 Big Papa's gone and then be sent SimBin for descent 0:02:02.480 --> 0:02:05.480 of a referee. That's like rookie areas. And they were 0:02:05.480 --> 0:02:08.560 still in the match at that point. Manley scored three 0:02:08.639 --> 0:02:12.360 tries while he was simbind and it was, you know, 0:02:12.600 --> 0:02:14.280 the start of the game almost that they were up 0:02:14.280 --> 0:02:16.959 for it. Obviously it was a big game because even 0:02:16.960 --> 0:02:19.440 though it was Josh properly his three hundred and first game, 0:02:19.480 --> 0:02:22.399 it was Canberra celebration of that. You know, the old 0:02:22.400 --> 0:02:24.959 boys were there, his family was there. He's got a 0:02:25.040 --> 0:02:28.280 try in his mind. I guess it wasn't wasn't his 0:02:28.280 --> 0:02:33.800 milestone match, but his milestone celebration. And they were in 0:02:33.840 --> 0:02:37.880 it until Tarpani got simbind in the second half and 0:02:37.919 --> 0:02:40.560 then at just that point crumbled. So and they had 0:02:40.560 --> 0:02:43.000 a lot to play for. I still, you know, it's 0:02:43.080 --> 0:02:45.000 two games now where they had a lot to play 0:02:45.000 --> 0:02:49.920 for and haven't really shown up. But yeah, Manly just 0:02:50.040 --> 0:02:52.240 keeps sort of going under the raider a little bit. 0:02:52.880 --> 0:02:55.079 I'll tell you who didn't go under the radar after 0:02:55.080 --> 0:02:56.720 the weekend, Tom Travoyevich. 0:02:57.120 --> 0:02:58.120 It's been coming back. 0:02:58.240 --> 0:03:01.280 He's been You've seen little fits and spurts of the 0:03:01.320 --> 0:03:06.080 old Tommy. I just hope for the rest of the 0:03:06.080 --> 0:03:08.040 competition that your raiders haven't played him back in the 0:03:08.040 --> 0:03:08.800 form because he was. 0:03:09.360 --> 0:03:13.280 He's running game, he's passing, he was just everywhere. Look 0:03:13.280 --> 0:03:16.560 at the look at just backing up position will play. 0:03:16.760 --> 0:03:20.520 He is just and it's you know, I'm not a 0:03:20.560 --> 0:03:24.000 Manly fan, being a Paramatter supporter, but it is so 0:03:24.040 --> 0:03:26.919 good to see him back playing good footing because I 0:03:26.960 --> 0:03:28.920 hate seeing our stars out of the game, and that 0:03:29.120 --> 0:03:33.360 was what a performance. Ask your question here, I'm just 0:03:33.400 --> 0:03:36.080 looking at this is very Seinfeld here is I don't 0:03:36.120 --> 0:03:37.320 like the position of this button. 0:03:37.960 --> 0:03:40.560 Look at that. I'm just a gap. 0:03:43.000 --> 0:03:45.960 This isn't a bad this is usually buzz Rothfield fashion 0:03:46.200 --> 0:03:46.840 advice here. 0:03:46.880 --> 0:03:51.120 But about that, I'm sorry, I digress. Yeah, I'm happy 0:03:51.160 --> 0:03:55.160 with it. Just the button position has got me anyway. 0:03:55.400 --> 0:04:01.120 A safety that's a modesty you don't want to you. 0:04:01.200 --> 0:04:02.640 Might need a modesty shirt. 0:04:02.800 --> 0:04:06.560 There is a hairshirt in underneath it covered up. Sorry 0:04:06.960 --> 0:04:12.760 three D But yeah, mainly keep winning. But I would 0:04:12.760 --> 0:04:17.240 have thought mainly were smokies for maybe a top four finish. 0:04:17.279 --> 0:04:20.280 But after what Kronulla did on Friday night up on 0:04:20.320 --> 0:04:26.719 the Gold Coast, Wow, that, let's say, the favorable run 0:04:26.760 --> 0:04:29.800 home just might see them coasting in that top four finish. 0:04:29.800 --> 0:04:31.680 But they were tremendous the other night. 0:04:32.480 --> 0:04:34.880 They really were. It's always hard to judge in a 0:04:34.920 --> 0:04:36.680 game like that when you have an opposition that just 0:04:36.720 --> 0:04:39.599 sort of didn't show up show up, which doesn't really 0:04:39.720 --> 0:04:42.760 make sense for the kind of form that the Titans 0:04:42.800 --> 0:04:45.119 had played themselves into in the last couple of weeks. 0:04:45.440 --> 0:04:48.040 But yeah, it was probably one of their more clinical 0:04:48.240 --> 0:04:51.400 games of the season. Everyone thought, you know, when the 0:04:51.440 --> 0:04:54.359 team list came out, they saw Blake Brailey at number seven. 0:04:54.400 --> 0:04:56.599 I saw some of Kranella fans on social media was 0:04:56.600 --> 0:05:00.240 sort of scratching their heads, calling it, you know, a 0:05:00.320 --> 0:05:02.680 dumb decision essentially, but it proved to be a smart 0:05:02.680 --> 0:05:05.320 one because we spoke about this yesterday, Mumsy that you know, 0:05:05.800 --> 0:05:08.080 while he was named at seven, he defended at seven 0:05:08.160 --> 0:05:10.720 but attacked from dummy half and so they gave them 0:05:11.000 --> 0:05:15.520 effectively an extra forward with Cam mckinness on the field, 0:05:15.520 --> 0:05:20.359 and yeah, they just completely blewe the Titans off the 0:05:20.400 --> 0:05:22.600 park are still there's still a site for me that 0:05:22.760 --> 0:05:24.960 you know, they've given their run. They probably do finish 0:05:25.040 --> 0:05:28.279 top four. Of the teams that are likely to finish 0:05:28.320 --> 0:05:30.720 in the top four, they're probably, for me, the least 0:05:30.760 --> 0:05:32.720 likely to be a genuine contender. 0:05:33.000 --> 0:05:34.040 Yeah, I think. 0:05:34.000 --> 0:05:38.240 Said that just just so to interrupt, FITZI said that 0:05:39.160 --> 0:05:41.479 Niko Hines is a head of schedule, so there's a 0:05:41.520 --> 0:05:43.520 good chance that they get him back before the finals, 0:05:43.520 --> 0:05:45.480 which you know is an added boost. 0:05:46.320 --> 0:05:46.800 Do you reckon? 0:05:47.160 --> 0:05:50.279 Fitzi and the Sharks are loving people like Fatima writing 0:05:50.320 --> 0:05:52.839 them off like that because they're just that performance of 0:05:52.839 --> 0:05:56.400 the weekend and for team a little bit there, they 0:05:56.440 --> 0:05:58.880 haven't been convincing the last couple of weeks, and obviously 0:05:58.960 --> 0:06:01.960 injuries and whatever else, and even Buzz last week said 0:06:02.320 --> 0:06:05.120 we just were lacking X factor in areas. 0:06:05.160 --> 0:06:07.320 But that what a performance. 0:06:07.560 --> 0:06:09.919 Yeah, absolutely, I mean, to be fair, I've been writing 0:06:09.920 --> 0:06:11.160 them off in the run home every. 0:06:11.080 --> 0:06:13.600 Week as well, just like so, I've. 0:06:13.400 --> 0:06:16.560 Been entirely unconvinced by them, I think, for yeah, for 0:06:17.560 --> 0:06:20.200 a little while now, and I think they've had really 0:06:20.200 --> 0:06:22.920 good games this season, and but then they've had really 0:06:23.000 --> 0:06:25.520 terrible ones too. So to see a performance like that 0:06:25.600 --> 0:06:29.960 I think was really kind of encouraging coming into the 0:06:30.040 --> 0:06:35.200 last month now. So yeah, So but yeah, that moving 0:06:35.240 --> 0:06:37.840 Blake Brayley to half back, that was. 0:06:39.360 --> 0:06:41.400 Well the flow on effect for that by having the 0:06:41.440 --> 0:06:44.520 extra forward there by moving mckinness while having him named 0:06:44.520 --> 0:06:46.080 in the nine jersey, because I mean he's done that 0:06:46.080 --> 0:06:49.720 before plenty of times. But Jack Williams thirty odd tackles 0:06:49.720 --> 0:06:52.599 two hundred meters. He was tremendous. He had probably the 0:06:52.640 --> 0:06:56.960 best game I've ever seen him play. The there's a 0:06:57.000 --> 0:07:03.120 lot of footing nows in that Shark coaching box. Fitz Gibbon, Price, 0:07:03.440 --> 0:07:08.039 Hannah and for what they did to say, okay, well, 0:07:08.040 --> 0:07:09.880 we're just going to go We're going to load up 0:07:09.880 --> 0:07:11.760 our middle, going to go straight through and build our 0:07:11.760 --> 0:07:13.760 platform off that to take our game forward. 0:07:14.080 --> 0:07:18.480 And we know the Gold Coast have been asleep. 0:07:18.040 --> 0:07:20.080 For the most of the first half this season and 0:07:20.120 --> 0:07:22.000 they come home with a wet sale in the second. 0:07:22.040 --> 0:07:23.680 But they were just blown off the park. 0:07:23.720 --> 0:07:27.240 And it's funny because on Thursday's Pot last week, Buzz 0:07:27.280 --> 0:07:29.680 revealed that every time the Sharks, when he usually gets 0:07:30.320 --> 0:07:32.200 a call from Des Hasler which he sends through the 0:07:32.240 --> 0:07:36.320 message bank where he chants up up, Cranala wouldn't have 0:07:36.320 --> 0:07:38.280 been doing it after last weekend, that's for sure. 0:07:38.400 --> 0:07:39.320 But oh my goodness. 0:07:39.960 --> 0:07:41.720 If you're a Titans fan, I don't know if there's 0:07:41.720 --> 0:07:44.520 many of you out there, How do you a Titans fan? 0:07:45.120 --> 0:07:46.000 My brother's are Titans? 0:07:46.000 --> 0:07:46.520 Really? Yeah? 0:07:46.600 --> 0:07:47.040 Randomly? 0:07:47.200 --> 0:07:49.280 Just you go, how. 0:07:49.160 --> 0:07:51.119 Disappointed would you be with your season on the line 0:07:51.120 --> 0:07:54.240 and out of now the Broncos are still claiming or 0:07:54.280 --> 0:07:57.120 not Broncos fans are claiming that we're mathematically we're still 0:07:57.120 --> 0:07:59.360 a chance, and mathematically they are. Who would have thought 0:07:59.560 --> 0:08:02.000 the Titans were the first team to you would have 0:08:02.040 --> 0:08:03.280 ruled out of top eight contention? 0:08:03.400 --> 0:08:04.440 For those Queensland sides. 0:08:04.600 --> 0:08:07.560 Yeah, exactly, considering what they've been doing these last couple 0:08:07.600 --> 0:08:11.080 of weeks, they've actually put themselves in a position where 0:08:11.080 --> 0:08:14.280 they could be, you know, a mathematical chance. They just 0:08:14.320 --> 0:08:17.840 had to keep winning. Their draw is pretty tough to 0:08:17.880 --> 0:08:20.680 finish the season, but they had given themselves a chance, 0:08:20.720 --> 0:08:23.760 so considering everything that had happened to start the season, 0:08:23.840 --> 0:08:27.320 So yeah, it was mind boggling that that's what they 0:08:27.360 --> 0:08:29.960 kind of came up with with a season on the line. 0:08:30.240 --> 0:08:30.560 Yeah. 0:08:30.720 --> 0:08:35.920 Yeah for Tima, what did you think Bulldogs Dragons Saturday 0:08:36.000 --> 0:08:39.800 night will get to the We'll get to the incident shortly, 0:08:39.840 --> 0:08:44.199 but again, everything to play for and the Bulldogs they 0:08:44.240 --> 0:08:44.960 look comfortable. 0:08:45.720 --> 0:08:49.080 Yeah, yeah they did. It was a strange one because 0:08:50.040 --> 0:08:52.320 the Dragons really bought into the build up of this 0:08:52.360 --> 0:08:54.320 game as well. Like obviously they were at home at Congroa. 0:08:54.360 --> 0:08:57.840 They're spiritual home ground, set out, crowd eighty thousand people. 0:08:57.960 --> 0:09:00.160 It is you know, maybe it's a traditional rivory the 0:09:00.160 --> 0:09:03.600 same way that Dragons and Sharks are, but this is 0:09:04.040 --> 0:09:06.480 a genuine rivalry, like they see it as a genuine 0:09:06.520 --> 0:09:08.320 local debbe these two sides. 0:09:09.760 --> 0:09:12.120 It's not a long trip down to literally. 0:09:11.920 --> 0:09:14.360 Like geographically neighbors, and there are a lot of Canterbury 0:09:14.440 --> 0:09:19.079 fans at Cogra, all the more reason for the Dragons 0:09:19.120 --> 0:09:22.280 to you know, assert that, you know, this is sort 0:09:22.320 --> 0:09:25.520 of still their home, even though you know the fans 0:09:25.559 --> 0:09:27.920 were sort of fifty to fifty split. But yeah, they 0:09:27.920 --> 0:09:30.760 were just off the they were just off the pace 0:09:31.280 --> 0:09:35.319 a little bit. And again it's one of those it's 0:09:35.440 --> 0:09:37.920 it's just been the story of their season, the Dragons, 0:09:37.960 --> 0:09:39.320 and I think we spoke about it on the pud 0:09:39.800 --> 0:09:43.000 last week that you know, do they can they back 0:09:43.080 --> 0:09:46.200 up one good performance with another good performance and they 0:09:46.320 --> 0:09:49.160 just they just weren't able to like they had their moments. 0:09:49.200 --> 0:09:51.400 But again, Ben Hunt, you know, a couple of weeks ago, 0:09:51.559 --> 0:09:54.320 had I think it was against Penreth was off his 0:09:54.400 --> 0:09:57.199 game a little bit. He was nowhere near his best 0:09:58.720 --> 0:10:03.120 in this clash. Obviously the news that Harme Sele had 0:10:03.160 --> 0:10:05.240 gone to hospital in an ambulance. I don't know whether 0:10:05.240 --> 0:10:10.079 that that played a mental role, but just mentally they 0:10:10.200 --> 0:10:11.520 just weren't up for that game. 0:10:11.679 --> 0:10:13.880 Yeah, yeah, I think they were just outplayed. 0:10:13.920 --> 0:10:17.880 I think Canabury, you know, that left edge combination of 0:10:17.880 --> 0:10:21.680 Toby Sexton and Bronze and Cherry, who's really come to life. 0:10:21.720 --> 0:10:24.920 And the short kicking game from Sexton has been amazing. 0:10:25.080 --> 0:10:28.679 It's yeah, who would have thought? Who would have thought? 0:10:28.360 --> 0:10:31.120 Here saying that, you know, Toby Sexton, Look what his 0:10:31.320 --> 0:10:32.720 Look what he's done at the Bulldogs. 0:10:33.080 --> 0:10:33.880 It's pretty incredible. 0:10:33.880 --> 0:10:36.640 And even Bronze and Cherry, you know his story and 0:10:36.720 --> 0:10:38.480 to be able to come back this season, he's got 0:10:38.480 --> 0:10:41.520 to be by the year, right, he didn't just do 0:10:41.880 --> 0:10:44.520 aside from Stephen Crichton, I guess, but he's one of them. 0:10:44.760 --> 0:10:47.040 Just on Sexton, I don't think we had him in 0:10:47.080 --> 0:10:49.160 our most Improved list last week, did we? 0:10:50.080 --> 0:10:50.320 No? 0:10:50.559 --> 0:10:52.839 No, Yeah, I thought about that when I was writing 0:10:52.880 --> 0:10:56.360 the tackle. I was like, you could be you know, 0:10:56.760 --> 0:11:00.480 fairly in that in that conversation, and it's just and 0:11:00.920 --> 0:11:03.440 I think what is most pleasing about Sexton is the 0:11:03.440 --> 0:11:06.319 fact that he had to sit back for pretty much 0:11:06.360 --> 0:11:09.079 the first eleven or ten weeks of the season, and 0:11:09.600 --> 0:11:12.160 you just process the fact that even though he was 0:11:12.160 --> 0:11:14.880 there before Drew Hutchinson, that Zio felt like Hutchinson was 0:11:14.880 --> 0:11:17.440 the guy. But he comes into the side, he gives 0:11:17.520 --> 0:11:22.480 them a bit of I guess he straightens their attack 0:11:22.520 --> 0:11:24.880 a little bit. But he also gives them another dimension 0:11:24.880 --> 0:11:26.960 in attack, which I felt like they're probably missed with 0:11:27.040 --> 0:11:29.480 Drew Hutchinson. But it's also his kicking game. So like 0:11:29.520 --> 0:11:32.360 in the second part of that in the second half 0:11:32.880 --> 0:11:35.120 when they decided to defend their lead, just the way 0:11:35.440 --> 0:11:37.960 that he's long kicking game, Just the way he sort 0:11:37.960 --> 0:11:40.200 of kept the Dragons on their goal line coming out 0:11:40.240 --> 0:11:42.560 of their half, kicking to the corners, and that's sort 0:11:42.600 --> 0:11:46.440 of the kind of game management that Canterbury had missed 0:11:46.559 --> 0:11:47.120 for so long. 0:11:47.800 --> 0:11:51.040 I wonder how much impact Jason Taylor has had on 0:11:51.520 --> 0:11:54.640 Sexton's game this season, because obviously he's on the coaching 0:11:54.720 --> 0:11:57.280 staff there and pretty good halfback and game measure in 0:11:57.280 --> 0:12:00.600 his own right, so maybe that influences as well. 0:12:00.720 --> 0:12:01.280 Yeah, I think so. 0:12:01.360 --> 0:12:02.600 I think he might be a little bit of an 0:12:02.679 --> 0:12:08.000 underrated figure behind the scenes. They're pulling some strings tactically 0:12:08.080 --> 0:12:11.600 for sure, I think in their attack. But yeah, Toby 0:12:11.600 --> 0:12:15.520 Sexton just totally just totally underrated him this year, haven't. 0:12:15.559 --> 0:12:19.280 Yeah, that's again a lot to see players come through 0:12:19.360 --> 0:12:21.520 and perform like that. It's nice to see. 0:12:22.200 --> 0:12:25.000 All Right, we're going to get into this the bulldog 0:12:25.080 --> 0:12:29.120 bite from Kyle Flanagan what are your thoughts on it? 0:12:29.360 --> 0:12:31.760 For Tim and I've spoken Adnas about this last couple 0:12:31.800 --> 0:12:32.240 of days. 0:12:33.600 --> 0:12:35.920 I think we're on the same page, but maybe not. 0:12:36.480 --> 0:12:44.439 You know, look, see we've seen replays of this slowed 0:12:44.480 --> 0:12:46.840 down all weekend, right, but when you actually watch it 0:12:46.840 --> 0:12:48.960 in real time, the whole thing happened very quickly. 0:12:49.080 --> 0:12:50.600 Whole thing's about the second and half. 0:12:50.720 --> 0:12:54.800 Yeah, you know if that so, I wonder how much 0:12:54.920 --> 0:12:59.640 of I don't know. So all I know is that 0:13:00.360 --> 0:13:03.880 is not okay. And it's like Kyle Fanagan has said 0:13:03.880 --> 0:13:07.319 he didn't bite him. You know, the judiciary, the NROL 0:13:07.400 --> 0:13:09.280 is going to have to prove that he did bite 0:13:09.360 --> 0:13:17.160 him way his nose yeah, rubber, Yeah, to suggest you 0:13:17.280 --> 0:13:22.120 know there's some pressure there, Yeah, that there was pressure there. 0:13:22.559 --> 0:13:22.880 I mean. 0:13:23.280 --> 0:13:28.840 The interesting part for me is did Stephen Crichton contribute 0:13:28.920 --> 0:13:30.840 to that incident? 0:13:32.080 --> 0:13:34.120 He went ninety Flanagan went ten. 0:13:35.280 --> 0:13:38.080 No, you can't say he went from his chest. 0:13:38.160 --> 0:13:40.160 He went from his chest and shoved his nose in 0:13:40.240 --> 0:13:40.640 his mouth. 0:13:41.040 --> 0:13:44.000 He went ninety percent of the way to getting his 0:13:44.080 --> 0:13:44.680 nose bitten. 0:13:45.120 --> 0:13:49.560 No, that's as bad as my If. 0:13:49.480 --> 0:13:51.240 You go and watch that tackle from the Starlight, you 0:13:51.280 --> 0:13:54.520 said you have he's when Flannagan gets put to the ground, 0:13:54.600 --> 0:13:58.480 Jacob Preston's around the waist, Crichton's around the stomach, around 0:13:58.520 --> 0:13:58.880 the chest. 0:13:59.000 --> 0:14:01.160 Crichton moves up to the face and then rubs his 0:14:01.240 --> 0:14:02.400 face and there this. 0:14:02.800 --> 0:14:05.040 How often do we see that niggle, that face rubbing, 0:14:05.080 --> 0:14:07.400 whether it's with a hand or another face. And yet 0:14:07.520 --> 0:14:10.160 i'd have bitten him too, yes, no, no, no, you 0:14:10.160 --> 0:14:12.720 wouldn't have because so many players have not bitten anybody. 0:14:12.760 --> 0:14:14.560 And it happens all the time, every week. 0:14:14.760 --> 0:14:16.880 Yeah, if it happens, it happens all the time. I 0:14:16.920 --> 0:14:20.960 don't love the rubbing of the like hands in the 0:14:20.960 --> 0:14:23.680 face or it is grubby, but you know it's also 0:14:24.640 --> 0:14:26.120 grubbier biting, biting. 0:14:26.400 --> 0:14:29.360 Yeah, but you say it's it's it's you said it's 0:14:29.440 --> 0:14:31.880 less than a second. So how much reaction time is 0:14:31.920 --> 0:14:33.440 kap flanning not to think I'm going to buy this 0:14:33.520 --> 0:14:35.000 guy's ladies. 0:14:35.120 --> 0:14:37.080 I think it's like a rush of blood. I think 0:14:37.120 --> 0:14:41.520 he was just like something in my mouth. I'm going 0:14:41.600 --> 0:14:44.040 to like I said, which is if. 0:14:43.920 --> 0:14:46.960 He's even just going because he's getting pushed back and 0:14:47.080 --> 0:14:50.000 he's it's an automatic response. That's that's not anything like 0:14:50.520 --> 0:14:52.720 James Graham did to Billy Slater a few years ago 0:14:52.760 --> 0:14:54.160 when he went and launched into him. 0:14:54.240 --> 0:14:56.240 Yeah, but I was comparing it to that though there 0:14:56.360 --> 0:14:59.440 was We spoke about the cartoon like boy coming out 0:14:59.480 --> 0:15:01.360 of the out of the mouth, so at some point 0:15:01.440 --> 0:15:04.720 he does press down. So maybe part of his argument 0:15:04.840 --> 0:15:06.720 is that, like you said, it was a split second, 0:15:06.760 --> 0:15:09.200 and it was at malice. He wasn't going, oh, I'm 0:15:09.200 --> 0:15:11.120 going to wipe this guy's nose off because he's rubbing 0:15:11.240 --> 0:15:13.840 his face on my face. But that sort of niggle 0:15:13.880 --> 0:15:17.280 happens all the time. And because it happens in a 0:15:17.320 --> 0:15:19.440 split second, and it happens all the time, and it's 0:15:19.480 --> 0:15:21.280 just part of the physicality of the game. I get 0:15:21.360 --> 0:15:23.480 hammed all the time when I say, you know, talk 0:15:23.520 --> 0:15:27.200 about you know, certain foul acts and you know the 0:15:27.280 --> 0:15:29.600 rest of it. But the game's physical. Okay, Well, this 0:15:29.760 --> 0:15:32.280 is proof that the game is physical. And we see 0:15:32.360 --> 0:15:34.360 that happen in every single game, and we'll see it 0:15:34.400 --> 0:15:37.440 happen again unless all of a sudden the NRL decides 0:15:37.680 --> 0:15:39.400 that it's an area it has to look at. But 0:15:39.520 --> 0:15:40.920 the niggle is part of the game. 0:15:41.720 --> 0:15:44.680 What's wrong with just a couple of blokes, okay, rubbing 0:15:44.760 --> 0:15:45.600 faces together. 0:15:46.680 --> 0:15:47.480 I think it's crap. 0:15:47.680 --> 0:15:50.280 I think it's a the So what So are you 0:15:50.400 --> 0:15:52.800 suggesting that Carl Flannigan has no case to answer. 0:15:52.960 --> 0:15:55.280 No, I don't say that, but I think Stephen Crichton 0:15:55.320 --> 0:15:56.840 definitely is a case to answer. 0:15:56.600 --> 0:16:00.240 For what's his his case that he ni country conduct. 0:16:00.600 --> 0:16:03.800 White, the tackle is complete, and then he decides to 0:16:03.840 --> 0:16:06.760 move up to his face and rub his and hold 0:16:06.800 --> 0:16:10.040 on and a certain pressure on Stephen Crichton's face for 0:16:10.240 --> 0:16:13.320 no reason, on Kyle Flanagan's face for no reason, for 0:16:13.560 --> 0:16:14.000 no reason. 0:16:14.080 --> 0:16:16.440 So now we're saying, any kind of niggle is country conduct. 0:16:16.560 --> 0:16:18.160 Well, I think that was country conduct. 0:16:18.840 --> 0:16:20.760 Yeah. I don't necessarily agree with that. It just happened 0:16:20.800 --> 0:16:24.560 so quickly for it to be the kind of niggle 0:16:24.640 --> 0:16:26.400 that we and I think. 0:16:26.320 --> 0:16:29.920 Kyle Flanagan has been a target for the Bulldogs and 0:16:30.200 --> 0:16:33.240 certain players for the last few years. I think you 0:16:33.360 --> 0:16:36.840 go back to the Penrith days when Kyle Flanagan was 0:16:36.880 --> 0:16:39.520 at the Roosters, and I think I remember quite clearly 0:16:39.640 --> 0:16:42.960 Kyle Flanagan being targeted by some of the Panthers players there, 0:16:42.960 --> 0:16:45.000 and I got a feeling that this might have been. 0:16:44.960 --> 0:16:47.360 Part of the carry on that he's a target. He 0:16:47.440 --> 0:16:48.720 becomes a target for these guys. 0:16:48.920 --> 0:16:51.200 And I'm sure there's some bad blood with him leaving 0:16:51.280 --> 0:16:53.920 Canterbury and his dad coaching him. 0:16:53.800 --> 0:16:56.560 Now, but I just yeah, I didn't like what I saw. 0:16:57.160 --> 0:17:01.280 I think, unfortunately, what happens is in this game, once 0:17:01.600 --> 0:17:06.080 you have a reputation as a player who retaliates or 0:17:06.440 --> 0:17:08.840 you can get under their skin easily, you can be 0:17:08.920 --> 0:17:11.280 easily knocked off your game, then that's just going to 0:17:11.359 --> 0:17:13.960 keep happening. Then you do become a target, right Like 0:17:14.080 --> 0:17:18.560 if an opposition has a way to rattle you or 0:17:18.640 --> 0:17:21.760 to then they're just going to do that because that's 0:17:21.880 --> 0:17:22.280 the game. 0:17:23.119 --> 0:17:25.359 But the game's tough enough where they're having to push 0:17:25.400 --> 0:17:28.760 blokes faces into the dirt like they do and niggle 0:17:28.920 --> 0:17:31.280 like that. That's just that's that stuff annoys me when 0:17:31.320 --> 0:17:34.879 I see it. And you know, Cretor bought the ticket, 0:17:35.520 --> 0:17:38.640 bought the ticket and he got the ride. If you're 0:17:38.640 --> 0:17:40.680 going to stick your face, if it happened to me, 0:17:40.760 --> 0:17:44.240 i'd be biting down as well, whether it was reactionary 0:17:44.320 --> 0:17:44.440 or what. 0:17:44.600 --> 0:17:47.760 But I just yeah, I don't know. I might be 0:17:47.800 --> 0:17:49.960 in the minority here, but I just know I didn't 0:17:49.960 --> 0:17:50.399 think you are. 0:17:50.480 --> 0:17:52.640 I think this is one of those ones that's split people. 0:17:52.960 --> 0:17:55.000 So people are talking about this. You know, how much 0:17:55.080 --> 0:17:58.359 did Critter contribute to And I'm not saying he didn't 0:17:58.440 --> 0:18:00.720 like obviously, if he doesn't put his face there, that 0:18:00.840 --> 0:18:02.800 low was the chances of him not being bit. But 0:18:02.880 --> 0:18:05.920 the point is he was bit, and I think from 0:18:06.200 --> 0:18:07.600 the way I see it is up to now the 0:18:07.720 --> 0:18:10.600 NRL to decide whether, like you said, because it does 0:18:10.680 --> 0:18:13.560 happen so quickly, whether it's a reflex action where Flunny 0:18:13.720 --> 0:18:15.960 is just like what the F is in my mouth? 0:18:16.240 --> 0:18:21.159 Or you know, whether he deliberately thought, no, I'm going 0:18:21.200 --> 0:18:23.959 to have a chumpet. He knows here. 0:18:24.440 --> 0:18:26.560 So is Stephen Crichton going to be at the judiciary 0:18:26.720 --> 0:18:27.439 on Tuesday night? 0:18:28.000 --> 0:18:30.520 At this stage I am hearing no. But there has 0:18:30.600 --> 0:18:33.800 been like mixed reports as to how this whole thing unfolded. 0:18:33.920 --> 0:18:36.840 So from what I understand from talking to Cannaby this 0:18:37.000 --> 0:18:42.520 morning is when it initially happened. During the game, Crichton 0:18:42.920 --> 0:18:45.920 sort of motions to the referee pointing out his face, 0:18:45.960 --> 0:18:48.360 but doesn't actually make an official complaint. At the time, 0:18:49.200 --> 0:18:51.280 the game hasn't stopped. It isn't reviewed at the time, 0:18:51.359 --> 0:18:56.240 and it isn't until after the game when the officials 0:18:56.280 --> 0:18:58.720 have had a chance to look at the incident during 0:18:58.800 --> 0:19:03.800 the game that they have sought Canterbury's advice on it. 0:19:03.880 --> 0:19:07.280 I guess as to what they've seen and what Canary 0:19:07.320 --> 0:19:09.760 want to do, And from what I understand from talking 0:19:09.800 --> 0:19:12.480 to Canterbury officials this morning is at no point did 0:19:12.800 --> 0:19:16.879 Stephen Crichton or the Bulldogs make an official complaint. So 0:19:18.040 --> 0:19:19.560 from a Bulldog's point of view, they just sort of 0:19:19.560 --> 0:19:19.879 because he. 0:19:19.880 --> 0:19:23.119 Knows he was in the wrong, he's subscribing. 0:19:22.640 --> 0:19:25.400 To my theory maybe maybe maybe, and maybe that works 0:19:25.440 --> 0:19:27.520