WEBVTT - Paul Murray Live | 10 March

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<v Speaker 1>From the Skying Center. This is Paul Burray Live today.

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<v Speaker 1>Nice to be back in the man cave.

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<v Speaker 2>It is water tight, it is warm, but it is

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<v Speaker 2>still a rough night for some people in Queensland.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much for watching us.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot to get to on the show tonight, including

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<v Speaker 2>the Prime Minister. Well the polls may suggest has he

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<v Speaker 2>bottomed out? Has he made a turn? We talk about

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<v Speaker 2>that in a moment or Tuesday time. There's also a

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<v Speaker 2>whole collection of other things we'll get to this evening

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<v Speaker 2>and we'll do all of the politics in a moment

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<v Speaker 2>or two time. But back to a normal show tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>But how do I not start with what I have

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<v Speaker 2>been in the middle of for the past few days,

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<v Speaker 2>just the latest update. We're not going to go on

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<v Speaker 2>and on about it, but I want to make sure

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<v Speaker 2>that the people in southeast Queensland and now increasingly regional

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<v Speaker 2>Queensland know that we can see them, even though some

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<v Speaker 2>of the intensity of the media attention is going to

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<v Speaker 2>go in the next couple of days. The worry for

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<v Speaker 2>the majority of the population today was flooding in and

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<v Speaker 2>around Brisbane at this stage, as best as I can

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<v Speaker 2>work out, minor but that was the worry of the

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<v Speaker 2>Premier today.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to reflect on the impacted Risbone because I

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<v Speaker 3>know some intense rainfall throughout the night did see some

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<v Speaker 3>flash flooding in some of those areas. Major flood warnings

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<v Speaker 3>are in place for the Albert and Logan rivers. Dow

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<v Speaker 3>knocks have occurred in these areas and it is crucial

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<v Speaker 3>because telecommunications remains a challenge in some parts of this area.

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<v Speaker 2>Being clean up in and around Harvey Bay after their

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<v Speaker 2>situation of a couple of hundred mills falling in just

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<v Speaker 2>a few hours. Looking at the rain radar right now,

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<v Speaker 2>it is intensifying to the west as the basically, if

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<v Speaker 2>I can draw a circle here from Theodore in the

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<v Speaker 2>north which is inland way inland, but basically from say

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<v Speaker 2>Bunderberg down and around to Roma over across maybe to

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<v Speaker 2>King Arroy and yeah up in Montop sort of up

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<v Speaker 2>in the top right hand corner. It is hard, heavy

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<v Speaker 2>and moving its way across and that will have its

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<v Speaker 2>own issues the next oft the wall. Here is the

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<v Speaker 2>latest on skyonies weather about what the next twenty four

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<v Speaker 2>hours looks like in the mighty state of Queensland.

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<v Speaker 4>Over the next twenty four hours, while we are still

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<v Speaker 4>dealing with rainfall. You can see it's moving to the south,

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<v Speaker 4>so it is continuing to push out of Brisbane and

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<v Speaker 4>well into.

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<v Speaker 5>New South Wales.

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<v Speaker 4>What this means for your Tuesday again, the system could

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<v Speaker 4>produce still isolated periods of heavy rainfall and the threat

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<v Speaker 4>for thunderstorms remains in the mix.

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<v Speaker 1>In New South Wales.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there is still some flooding in some areas, but

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<v Speaker 2>fingers crossed, this thing is starting to fall away. But

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<v Speaker 2>that doesn't mean that there aren't worries. For their premiere today, I.

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<v Speaker 6>Want to make it clear that we're not out of

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<v Speaker 6>the woods yet.

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<v Speaker 3>We're watching very closely the river systems in the northern rivers.

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<v Speaker 6>There's still a lot of.

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<v Speaker 5>Rain out there.

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<v Speaker 6>There's still a lot of full rivers, swollen rivers.

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<v Speaker 2>And the Prime Minister was definitely not campaigning today. Anthony

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<v Speaker 2>Abernezi was definitely not trying to get on television today.

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<v Speaker 2>He definitely had vital and important pieces of information that

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<v Speaker 2>was breaking news from coast to coast. He was definitely

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<v Speaker 2>not campaigning.

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<v Speaker 7>This has been a difficult period, but we are seeing

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<v Speaker 7>it through and we are seeing it through together as

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<v Speaker 7>a community, as Australians. Showing who we are. We're a

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<v Speaker 7>resilient bunch and we deal with hardship, vital.

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<v Speaker 2>And important up to the minute information from the Prime

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<v Speaker 2>Minister who's definitely not just trying to keep his head

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<v Speaker 2>on television in that seat in northern New South Wales

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<v Speaker 2>that the Labor Party has always looked to win but

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<v Speaker 2>currently the National Party has and he's definitely not trying

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<v Speaker 2>to do the same when it comes to Southeast Coinsland.

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<v Speaker 2>As for the thousands of homes that have been reconnected,

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<v Speaker 2>and after a weekend of no power, there has been

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<v Speaker 2>quite a few happy faces in and around. There are

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<v Speaker 2>still tens of thousands of homes that do not have

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<v Speaker 2>the power. But when the power comes back.

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<v Speaker 1>On your suburban, by the look of it, I think

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<v Speaker 1>this is either cool and gatter or tweed heeads.

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<v Speaker 2>But everyone has the same reaction when the power comes

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<v Speaker 2>on after a couple of days.

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<v Speaker 1>How good is this? I love that moment? All right?

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<v Speaker 2>May there be many more smiles and cheese in the

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<v Speaker 2>next few days. Obviously, the twenty four to seven coverage

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<v Speaker 2>is on Sky News whether make sure the homepage is

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<v Speaker 2>sky news dot com dot Au. As part of the

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<v Speaker 2>Prime Minister definitely not campaigning today, he decided to go

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<v Speaker 2>after the insurance companies. Now, there are always, and I

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<v Speaker 2>mean always, huge deficiencies in the way that insurance companies

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<v Speaker 2>react to these situations. People have to go through a

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<v Speaker 2>long and bureaucratic process because these companies they don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to pay out.

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<v Speaker 1>Why because that's the whole point to their business.

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<v Speaker 2>Remember, the whole point of the insurance business is to

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<v Speaker 2>bet that you will not need to claim anything from

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<v Speaker 2>them in any twelve month period. When that number goes up,

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<v Speaker 2>their profits go down and their share price may will

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<v Speaker 2>be affected. But the Prime Minister, again definitely not campaigning today,

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<v Speaker 2>was saying pretty populist stuff regarding insurance companies.

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<v Speaker 8>Insurance companies have plenty of money. They are ripping us off.

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<v Speaker 8>They have put their premiums up double inflation.

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<v Speaker 6>What do you say to that.

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<v Speaker 7>I say that Kosh is right and we will certainly

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<v Speaker 7>hold the insurance companies to account. This is a time

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<v Speaker 7>where they need to do a bit of repair of

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<v Speaker 7>their relationships with the Australian public by doing the right

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<v Speaker 7>thing and making payments immediately.

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<v Speaker 1>For people who are eligible. That's what people expect.

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<v Speaker 2>Definitely not campaigning vital news information from the Prime Minister

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<v Speaker 2>today that could not be from Camber. It had to

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<v Speaker 2>be delivered from the tropical cyclone zone. The problem is

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<v Speaker 2>the Prime Minister pretends he is powerless in this situation. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>if he believes that the insurance industry is ripping people off,

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<v Speaker 2>then why doesn't he change the law. Parliament will be

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<v Speaker 2>coming back for the budget, but there will be a

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<v Speaker 2>few days in and around it where if they want

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<v Speaker 2>to pass a law, they can pass a law. They

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<v Speaker 2>can change the insurance system to make sure that the

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<v Speaker 2>t's and c's are only an a four piece of paper.

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<v Speaker 1>But of course the truth.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that these companies and this area is big, it's complicated,

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<v Speaker 2>and any major changes that force more payments, and there

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<v Speaker 2>should be people getting paid when it comes to insurance.

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<v Speaker 2>But the more they pay out, the higher they charge.

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<v Speaker 2>And one of the things that has been shoving inflation

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<v Speaker 2>through the roof. One of the things that this government

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<v Speaker 2>can't hide behind when it comes to pretending that they've

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<v Speaker 2>helped with the cost of living that I've been talking

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<v Speaker 2>about for years is insurance. Now, the reality of our

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<v Speaker 2>country is twenty seven million people.

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<v Speaker 1>There is only so many people who.

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<v Speaker 2>Share the overall financial burden when it comes to insurance

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<v Speaker 2>because the cost of it keeps going up, it's fewer

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<v Speaker 2>people and obviously kids aren't having insurance, and now we're

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<v Speaker 2>in a scenario ware. Some of the people who absolutely

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<v Speaker 2>need it can't afford it. At one point six million

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<v Speaker 2>people are in a scenario ware to get through the day,

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<v Speaker 2>to pay for the rent, to pay for the mortgage,

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<v Speaker 2>to pay for all of the stuff. The Prime Minister says,

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't matter because we've definitely changed the subject. Look at

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<v Speaker 2>me over here, not complainant, not campaigning, not at all.

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<v Speaker 2>Those people have had to choose, and when it goes

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<v Speaker 2>wrong and you bet against mother nature, you end up

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<v Speaker 2>being in a world of pain, either being uninsured or underinsured.

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<v Speaker 2>So tonight on the show, a little bit later, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to have to talk to somebody about how can

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<v Speaker 2>we put a handbrake on an insurance company to make

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<v Speaker 2>sure that their threshold for payment is lower, that the

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<v Speaker 2>cost of premiums don't go through the roof, and what

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<v Speaker 2>the Federal Parliament could do as soon as tomorrow if

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<v Speaker 2>they really cared about that situation. But of course they're

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<v Speaker 2>just definitely not campaigning. And when the parliament does resume,

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<v Speaker 2>of course it is going to be about that federal budget.

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<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>My bet is they're going to find some way to

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<v Speaker 2>get to a surplus because they can say, look at

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<v Speaker 2>how many.

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<v Speaker 1>Surpluses we have.

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<v Speaker 2>Yet the reality is that the country has been in

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<v Speaker 2>a household level in a recession for two years. Most

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<v Speaker 2>of the jobs are paid for by government. This is

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<v Speaker 2>the Labor Party trick to create that triangle where you're

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<v Speaker 2>either dependent on welfare, you're dependent because you work for them,

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<v Speaker 2>or your business is dependent on government because they are

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<v Speaker 2>the biggest buyer. They will not hold back because it's

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<v Speaker 2>an election budget and expect another version of twenty five

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<v Speaker 2>dollars a month, which sounds like a very big number

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<v Speaker 2>when you add every house together, but in reality twenty

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<v Speaker 2>five dollars a month being paid to power companies to

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<v Speaker 2>deliver the Prime ministers lie from the last election about

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<v Speaker 2>a reduction in power priceis when the reality of his

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<v Speaker 2>time in office has been an increase in power prices.

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<v Speaker 2>But it cannot go without saying that today is a

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<v Speaker 2>day that has pucket a few people in the political

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<v Speaker 2>world in and around the newspoll it came out today,

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<v Speaker 2>Now it looks like we are headed for a minority government.

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<v Speaker 1>That becomes now clearer which.

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<v Speaker 2>Minority government, Well, we can get into that in a second.

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<v Speaker 1>As you know, it is a two.

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<v Speaker 2>Party preferred at the moment of fifty one to forty nine,

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<v Speaker 2>So basically, in a statistical era, it could be Labor

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<v Speaker 2>up fifty one, it could be the Coalition of fifty

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<v Speaker 2>three or down to forty seven. So we're in a

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<v Speaker 2>very tight area right now. But if that newspoll was

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<v Speaker 2>the election, Labor loses seven seats. They're currently on seventy

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<v Speaker 2>eight seats, so that would take them to seventy one seats,

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<v Speaker 2>the Liberal Party sixty five. It'd be the Labor Party,

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<v Speaker 2>even though the Coalition leads on two pointy preferred who

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<v Speaker 2>would end up forming a minority government. But there is

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<v Speaker 2>something that I did want to note, which is there's

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<v Speaker 2>a confusing sub message, which is not me blaming the Polster.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just there are two results that don't quite match.

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<v Speaker 1>At the moment.

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<v Speaker 2>Literally two weeks ago, one of the sub questions, apart

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<v Speaker 2>from who we are going to vote for, was does

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<v Speaker 2>this government deserve to be re elected or is it

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<v Speaker 2>time to give somebody else a go? It produced headlines

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<v Speaker 2>like the majority in the mood for a change. In fact,

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<v Speaker 2>only thirty four percent of people told Newspoll two weeks

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<v Speaker 2>ago that the government deserved to be re elected. Fifty

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<v Speaker 2>three percent say give someone else a go. But what

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<v Speaker 2>we have learned today is that apparently a majority of

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<v Speaker 2>people don't think that the opposition in the same pole

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<v Speaker 2>are ready to form government. But before you think I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going all Derman gloom here there is a huge opportunity

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<v Speaker 2>which has been presented by the Prime Minister putting a

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<v Speaker 2>budget on the table. Now, yes, that means another week

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<v Speaker 2>of grim GM, another couple of weeks of them previewing.

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<v Speaker 1>And leaking and ruling in and not ruling in.

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<v Speaker 2>But then after the Tuesday night, when the budget is delivered,

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<v Speaker 2>there is an opportunity for a nationally telecast thirty minutes

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<v Speaker 2>uninterrupted speech to be given by Peter Dutton. It will

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<v Speaker 2>be the most significant speech of his time as opposition

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<v Speaker 2>later because he's able to make the case uninterrupted both

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<v Speaker 2>here and on Taxpayer TV about his vision for the country.

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<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>When he gave this speech last year, he dropped this

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<v Speaker 2>idea in the middle of the speech. Most of the

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<v Speaker 2>media ignored it. We did not because we knew this

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<v Speaker 2>would be a winner.

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<v Speaker 9>The Coalition can free up almost forty thousand additional homes

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<v Speaker 9>in the first year and well over one hundred thousand

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<v Speaker 9>homes in the first five years. First, we will implement

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<v Speaker 9>a two year ban on foreign investors and temporary residents

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<v Speaker 9>purchasing existing homes in Australia.

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<v Speaker 2>That was in that speech from last year. There has to,

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<v Speaker 2>of course be big things in there about the economic gender,

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<v Speaker 2>but that is a values based principle that polling has

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<v Speaker 2>shown us many months after, and we know the government's

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<v Speaker 2>trying to do some version of a copy, but that

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<v Speaker 2>has the support of seventy three percent of people in

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<v Speaker 2>marginal electorates seventy three percent support and that's what I've highlighted.

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<v Speaker 1>Therefore, you in the bottom left hand corner, sixty two

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<v Speaker 1>percent of workers agree.

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<v Speaker 2>On a ban on Dutton span on foreign ownership, seventy

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<v Speaker 2>nine percent of his own voters, even fifty eight percent

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<v Speaker 2>of Green's voters overall sixty nine but in those most

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<v Speaker 2>marginal seats seventy three percent. So yes, you're going to

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<v Speaker 2>think it's all about the government saving its backside. Well

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<v Speaker 2>as Peter Dutton showed in a speech the same speech

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<v Speaker 2>last year, you can come up with an idea that

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<v Speaker 2>almost three quarters of people agree with and can become

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<v Speaker 2>a major stepping stone. Remember where the polls have gone

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<v Speaker 2>in the past twelve months. We will all watch it

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<v Speaker 2>very closely together. Which brings us to the issue of

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<v Speaker 2>the Donald the great Man. Right now now, Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 2>believes that tariff's is one of the most beautiful words

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<v Speaker 2>in the world. And this week Australia will ultimately find

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<v Speaker 2>out if we will be treated like the worst of

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<v Speaker 2>enemies or the best of friends, whether we will or

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<v Speaker 2>won't get a exemption from these significant prices that will

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<v Speaker 2>be and taxes that will be put on the importation

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<v Speaker 2>of Australian steel to the United States. Trump has made

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<v Speaker 2>that clear and at this point in time there is

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<v Speaker 2>no sign whatsoever of him bending now. At the time,

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<v Speaker 2>you remember, I wasn't going to buy into this as

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<v Speaker 2>a potential failure of the current leadership, failing to put

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<v Speaker 2>a relationship in place since before the last election or

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<v Speaker 2>between that period of time of November to January. But

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<v Speaker 2>today the Prime Minister seems to believe that nothing else

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<v Speaker 2>can be done, that despite the fact that he had

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<v Speaker 2>every opportunity to go and visit in between November and January. No, no, no,

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<v Speaker 2>we're just going to sit back and say too hard basket.

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<v Speaker 7>I've said before, I'm not going to give a running

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<v Speaker 7>commentary on a daily basis of President Trump's comments.

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<v Speaker 6>How worried are you? An exemption for Australia is now

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<v Speaker 6>off the table.

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<v Speaker 7>I'm focused on this issue, will continue to put our

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<v Speaker 7>case to our friends in the United States.

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<v Speaker 2>But of course we have the greatest representative of all time,

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<v Speaker 2>the greatest, the man who wanted to run the United Nations,

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<v Speaker 2>who is our ambassador there, that of course being the

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<v Speaker 2>former Prime Minister Kevin Rudd. And as best as we

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<v Speaker 2>can work out, the closest that he has had to

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<v Speaker 2>a meeting with the President of the United States stalking

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<v Speaker 2>him at a golf club. The only person who's actually

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<v Speaker 2>had that sort of face to FaceTime is the former

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<v Speaker 2>Prime Minister Scott Morrison, who's been New Year's Eve at

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<v Speaker 2>Mari Lago.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, remember when.

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<v Speaker 2>Officials last week were asked about the contact between the

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<v Speaker 2>President and the former Prime Minister Rudd.

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<v Speaker 1>This was their answer about tell us more about this

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<v Speaker 1>golf club meeting.

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<v Speaker 6>When did ambassadrud meet President Trump?

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<v Speaker 10>We said we tap that on leaders?

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<v Speaker 6>Okay, is that an answer that could be provided reasonably

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<v Speaker 6>quickly as quickly as we can?

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you. I'm grateful for that.

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<v Speaker 6>Can you say where the meeting was?

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<v Speaker 10>Well?

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<v Speaker 11>I refer to previous answers, Simon.

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<v Speaker 2>Then trigger warning, trigger warning, I'm about to talk about

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<v Speaker 2>a political ghost. We don't believe in ghosts on this program.

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<v Speaker 2>But the political ghost is back in the headlines again.

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<v Speaker 2>Why because what Donald Trump has truly he thought of

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<v Speaker 2>the former prime minister is now yet again out in public.

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<v Speaker 2>Because of course, the former Prime minister, not happy with

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<v Speaker 2>finding a way to turn up on friendly media in Australia,

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<v Speaker 2>is trying to make a play to be interviewed worldwide

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<v Speaker 2>as an anti trumpster that we know him to be.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's some of the back and forth.

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<v Speaker 5>Malcolm Turnbull, he says, who was always leading that wonderful

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<v Speaker 5>country from behind, never understood what was going on in China,

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<v Speaker 5>nor did he have the capacity to do so. I

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<v Speaker 5>always thought he was a weak and ineffective leader. And

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<v Speaker 5>obviously Australians agreed with me.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because remember the man who before Anthony Obernezi had

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<v Speaker 2>considered himself to be the greatest Prime minister of all time,

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<v Speaker 2>was not just somebody who turned a major series of

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<v Speaker 2>like I think it was ninety seats in the Parliament

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<v Speaker 2>when it was Tony Abbott. But then of course he

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<v Speaker 2>had to have his turn because he was the rightful leader.

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<v Speaker 2>He of course when on the eight week campaign he

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<v Speaker 2>was produced to just a one seat majority, and then

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<v Speaker 2>of course he was removed by his own party because

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<v Speaker 2>remember the Labor Party wouldn't even help him when it

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<v Speaker 2>came to his versions of solutions for climate change. And

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<v Speaker 2>now the Liberal Party has been torn apart and torn

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<v Speaker 2>Asunday ever since, simply because the rightful leader that is

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<v Speaker 2>Malcolm Turnbull is no longer there. So Malcolm Turnbull was

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<v Speaker 2>back in a happy place on Taxpayer TV, despite the

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<v Speaker 2>fact that I remember him being very heavily involved with

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<v Speaker 2>the managing director and a lot of problems with the ABC.

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<v Speaker 2>But no know, it's still leather Jack, Malcolm leather Jack

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<v Speaker 2>and Malcolm Turnbull, and he was being interviewed tonight about

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<v Speaker 2>the situation. He simply believes that it's time for a

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<v Speaker 2>world leader like himself to stand up and call a

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<v Speaker 2>bully a bully.

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<v Speaker 12>China will take advantage of Trump's chaotic behavior and his

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<v Speaker 12>harassing and bullying seeking to extort allies. All of this

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<v Speaker 12>erratic behavior will be taken advantage of by China, because

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<v Speaker 12>what China will do is they will say they'll be

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<v Speaker 12>the opposite of Trump. Where Trump is erratic, they'll be consistent.

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<v Speaker 12>Where Trump is rude and abusive, as you saw in

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<v Speaker 12>that tweet, they'll be respectful. We cannot continue this bipartisan

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<v Speaker 12>gas lighting that is going on at the moment where

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<v Speaker 12>there are these massive changes in Washington affecting US and

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<v Speaker 12>the whole world. I mean, look at the extraordinary treatment

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<v Speaker 12>of Canada, efforts to basically cripple Canada's economy in order

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<v Speaker 12>to bully them into becoming the fifty first state.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't remember that former Prime minister standing up and

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<v Speaker 2>defending Australia when it was standing up to China, when

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<v Speaker 2>Australia was saying, no, we need some answers about a

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<v Speaker 2>global pandemic that locked many of our cities down for months,

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<v Speaker 2>Melbourne for the longest in the world. Resulted in many

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<v Speaker 2>hundreds of deaths during those lockdowns, thousand cents millions around

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<v Speaker 2>the world. No, No, No, the time to come out,

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<v Speaker 2>the time to be interviewed by the person who thought Russia, Russia,

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<v Speaker 2>Russia about Trump the first time around is that he

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<v Speaker 2>thinks we need to stand up and not be bullied

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<v Speaker 2>by not China that bullied Australia. No, No, the time

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<v Speaker 2>to speak is when America is bullying China. Fed this anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>watch him be loved for the next few days and

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<v Speaker 2>all of the lefty parts of the media who anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>Now youth crime, let's get away from politics for a

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<v Speaker 2>second here. It is a huge problem, has been for

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<v Speaker 2>a long time and is getting worse, particularly in regional Australia.

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<v Speaker 2>I know it every time we go to any of

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<v Speaker 2>the ourtown locations. It's part of the picture. Of course,

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<v Speaker 2>we try to talk about the positive, but it's what

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<v Speaker 2>people will talk about.

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<v Speaker 1>In the streets.

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<v Speaker 2>Remember we went to Woomba to focus on the issues

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<v Speaker 2>that were happening in Queensland. They continue to this day,

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<v Speaker 2>but thankfully change of government, change of attitude. Well in

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<v Speaker 2>New South Wales, particularly around the city of more Rea,

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<v Speaker 2>which I have been to, we've done a show for

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<v Speaker 2>them and there are plenty of mates who were there. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>they've had their problems when it comes to youth crime,

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<v Speaker 2>and I've got to say I feel obviously for victims,

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<v Speaker 2>but I feel for the police as well, because the

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<v Speaker 2>police are turning up, they are arresting these people over

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<v Speaker 2>and over again, but they end up going into a

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<v Speaker 2>court system that seems to not just give the benefit

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<v Speaker 2>of the doubt, but basically a blank check for these

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<v Speaker 2>people to go out and do it again and again.

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<v Speaker 2>Sunday Telegraph had an amazing story this weekend in New

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<v Speaker 2>South Wales, which was that a judge just keeps letting

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<v Speaker 2>one person out over and over again, no matter how

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<v Speaker 2>long the list is, despite the fact that they had

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<v Speaker 2>been accused during their criminal career of home invasions, assaults,

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<v Speaker 2>being held at knife point, having their cars stolen. But

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<v Speaker 2>he gets bail, and bail and bail. He's been bailed

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<v Speaker 2>for the fourth time. The judge says that she had

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<v Speaker 2>a high degree of confidence that he would not reoffend.

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<v Speaker 1>You're kidding me.

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<v Speaker 2>So the police, through their union, the Police Association in

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<v Speaker 2>New South Wales, is pushing back against some of the

0:21:07.960 --> 0:21:11.000
<v Speaker 2>idiocy that he's coming from the bench. The Police Association

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<v Speaker 2>in New South Wales is dumbfounded by the bad decision

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<v Speaker 2>of the News of Old Supreme Court. The police are

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<v Speaker 2>bound by a charter of victim rights and their oath

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<v Speaker 2>of office. However, they seem to be only part of

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<v Speaker 2>the judicial system that even considers the victim. Who is

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<v Speaker 2>looking after the rights of the victim? Says the News

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<v Speaker 2>of US Police Association president Kevin Morten, and he's correct.

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<v Speaker 2>What a ridiculous situation. Now, You and I would know

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<v Speaker 2>that if it was our kid, or if it was

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<v Speaker 2>us when we were kids, who was involved in just

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<v Speaker 2>any one of those things, that you would have been

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<v Speaker 2>either slotted or weekend.

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<v Speaker 1>Detention or home detention.

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<v Speaker 2>But for some reason there is a cadre and I

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<v Speaker 2>don't want to say kids because they do very old crimes,

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<v Speaker 2>but teenagers who for whatever sob story that they serve

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<v Speaker 2>up again and again and again and again and again.

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<v Speaker 2>You would think that when you have committed something like

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<v Speaker 2>that or accused of it once.

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<v Speaker 1>They throw the book at you.

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<v Speaker 2>But we have a system that does not care, some

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<v Speaker 2>parts of the system that do not care about the victims,

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<v Speaker 2>the victims whose lives are changed forever. Instead, the entire

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<v Speaker 2>process does not revolve around the victim of the crime

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<v Speaker 2>and making sure that the perpetrator of the crime is

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<v Speaker 2>held responsible. Instead the whole system is about why did

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<v Speaker 2>you do it? Can we take any points off because

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<v Speaker 2>of who you are, how you live. It's absolutely ridiculous

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<v Speaker 2>and sadly it's a situation that we know we'll continue

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<v Speaker 2>on into the future. To the men and women of

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<v Speaker 2>the police force. But you're the most junior constable all

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<v Speaker 2>the way up the ladder who's doing the work all day,

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<v Speaker 2>every day to lock these bastards up. Thank you, Thank

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<v Speaker 2>you for what you do. And I know it's heartbreaking

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<v Speaker 2>that you've got to do it again and again and

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<v Speaker 2>again and again and over.

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<v Speaker 1>And over and over.

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<v Speaker 2>But strength to your arm, and thank you for what

0:23:10.040 --> 0:23:13.440
<v Speaker 2>you do each and every day. You would have heard

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<v Speaker 2>by now that the moment that brought Sydney to a standstill,

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<v Speaker 2>the idea that a caravan full of explosives was apparently

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<v Speaker 2>on its way towards parts of the Jewish community, with

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<v Speaker 2>a potential blast radius of tens of medias potentially hundreds

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<v Speaker 2>of casualties. Well, I'm not going to say that it's

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<v Speaker 2>a hoax, because the caravan was there and the explosives

0:23:37.560 --> 0:23:40.280
<v Speaker 2>were there, but there wasn't a detonator, and there was

0:23:40.320 --> 0:23:42.439
<v Speaker 2>some details that were inside it, but apparently all of

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<v Speaker 2>it was some sort of a distraction con job from

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<v Speaker 2>organized criminals trying to save their own backside, either from

0:23:50.800 --> 0:23:52.960
<v Speaker 2>crimes they had already committed in this area or from

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<v Speaker 2>something else. Very weird story today, but here's the police

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<v Speaker 2>talking about it today.

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<v Speaker 10>I can reveal that the caravan was never going to

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<v Speaker 10>cause a mass casualty event, but instead was concocted by

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<v Speaker 10>criminals who wanted to cause fear for personal benefit.

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<v Speaker 1>This is weird.

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<v Speaker 2>There's plenty more in this one, but of course watch

0:24:11.359 --> 0:24:13.080
<v Speaker 2>people use this as a way of saying, well, all

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<v Speaker 2>the other stuff that doesn't matter, it doesn't matter now.

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<v Speaker 1>Please.

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<v Speaker 2>As for the investigation and the many people who they

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<v Speaker 2>spoke to today.

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<v Speaker 6>Explain why nobody's been arrestingly charged for the.

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<v Speaker 10>Positive box yet, what I can say to that is

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<v Speaker 10>that forms part of our ongoing investigation, so we still

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<v Speaker 10>have investigative strategies in play, so I won't go into

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<v Speaker 10>any more.

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<v Speaker 2>Detail around that, all right, And just quickly before we

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<v Speaker 2>get into everything here, including that conversation about insurance and

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<v Speaker 2>the day's politics with none other than the great Man

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<v Speaker 2>Canavan in a moment or two's time. Is a little

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<v Speaker 2>more about how delusion all the Democrats are. They can't

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<v Speaker 2>even work out if they can pretend that they are

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<v Speaker 2>starting to get wins against Donald Trump. Let me show

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<v Speaker 2>you something, which is the person who, if a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of seats changed in the lower House of their parliament,

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<v Speaker 2>would become the next Speaker of the House and essentially

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<v Speaker 2>would be able to block any of the attempts to

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<v Speaker 2>change the laws. A bloke called Hakeem Jeffreys. This is

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<v Speaker 2>what he is trying to say to pump up the

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<v Speaker 2>confidence that they've got the Donald on the run.

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<v Speaker 11>We have the Republicans on the run on three core issues.

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<v Speaker 11>They are on the run in terms of the economy.

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<v Speaker 11>In fact, Donald Trump and Republicans are crashing the economy

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<v Speaker 11>in real time.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, that's what they want to tell them while they're

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<v Speaker 2>doing videos for the Democratic Party. Hence a little d

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<v Speaker 2>in the corner there. Well, the person who did the

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<v Speaker 2>response to the Trump speech last week, which was basically

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<v Speaker 2>a state of the Union, she has a slightly different

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<v Speaker 2>view about how awesome everything is for the opposition.

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<v Speaker 13>I don't think it's a secret that Democrats have been

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<v Speaker 13>on their heels since Trump won the election, right, I

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<v Speaker 13>don't think that's something hidden, and I think it's on

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<v Speaker 13>us to be clear about not only leadership and there's

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<v Speaker 13>lots of leaders in both, but also a strategy, which.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not totally sure they have.

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<v Speaker 2>They still think that the TikTok videos, remember it was

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<v Speaker 2>just misogyny or all of the other bs reasons as

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<v Speaker 2>to why the one they wanted to win definitely lost.

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<v Speaker 2>Quick break back with more Matt Canavan, Linda Scott after

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<v Speaker 2>the break We've got plenty more to talk about as well,

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<v Speaker 2>about insurance. We'll talk a little bit about the ghosts,

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<v Speaker 2>but let's talk about the reality of do these polls

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<v Speaker 2>show things have bottomed out for labor and they start

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<v Speaker 2>to get better. If it's labor on seventy one seats

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<v Speaker 2>and the coalition in the sixties, well then it would

0:26:32.080 --> 0:26:34.399
<v Speaker 2>be labor for me, a minority government. That and a

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<v Speaker 2>whole lot more, including yeah, some of the warnings and

0:26:36.920 --> 0:26:39.840
<v Speaker 2>some of the hype in and around the tropical cyclone.

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<v Speaker 2>Did everyone get everything right? No, But I saw it

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<v Speaker 2>with my own eyes. I think a lot of people

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<v Speaker 2>got most of it right, all right. Joining us right now,

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<v Speaker 2>Matt canavan O car I have a champ on Mondays,

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<v Speaker 2>which is no disrespect to Linda Scott, but I'm sorry

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<v Speaker 2>that's just the way it ends up being. Now, there's

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<v Speaker 2>plenty to talk about, but let's get into the newspole here, Matt.

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<v Speaker 1>I know you don't muck around here.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that a little bubble may have burst year

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<v Speaker 2>about the assumption about how inevitable things were when it

0:27:10.040 --> 0:27:12.320
<v Speaker 2>came to a change of government. Seven seats is not

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<v Speaker 2>good for the stability of the country, but it results

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<v Speaker 2>in a labor minority, not the Liberal Party negotiating for

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<v Speaker 2>minority Liberal and National Party.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 14>Well, look, Paul, I certainly haven't been saying it's an inevitability.

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<v Speaker 14>I know some others out there have seemingly thought this

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<v Speaker 14>has got and dusted, and I think the betting markets

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<v Speaker 14>are way off.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, this is very, very close.

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<v Speaker 14>The polls have been about this level for almost a

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<v Speaker 14>year and a half now, basically ever since the end

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<v Speaker 14>of the Voice or the wash up from the Voice anyway.

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<v Speaker 6>So look, it's going to be close. It's going to

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<v Speaker 6>be very close.

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<v Speaker 14>It's a challenge for us to put forward an alternative

0:27:49.840 --> 0:27:52.040
<v Speaker 14>set of policies when and if the well, when the

0:27:52.080 --> 0:27:53.960
<v Speaker 14>campaign will we call worth expecting you to be in

0:27:54.000 --> 0:27:57.159
<v Speaker 14>it this week, but it'll be called soon. But I

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<v Speaker 14>do think the Colition has done a great job putting

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<v Speaker 14>yourself in this position. I don't think three years ago

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<v Speaker 14>we felt that it probably would have been as close

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<v Speaker 14>as it is now. I think the government had a

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<v Speaker 14>fair amount of hubris after being elected in a fairly

0:28:11.200 --> 0:28:15.000
<v Speaker 14>thumping victory three years ago. They've been a bit blindsided

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<v Speaker 14>by this and they really do seem lost at the moment,

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<v Speaker 14>not being able to come up with a proper plan

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<v Speaker 14>as a government for the future of this country. So, look,

0:28:22.320 --> 0:28:26.119
<v Speaker 14>it's going on, but it could be anyone's right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Look this is it.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, we all know what my preferences are, we

0:28:29.720 --> 0:28:31.240
<v Speaker 2>my want is, and we all know how critical aim

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<v Speaker 2>of the government. But I was really clear in the

0:28:33.040 --> 0:28:35.720
<v Speaker 2>past couple of weeks about the fight, fight, fight, the

0:28:36.200 --> 0:28:39.320
<v Speaker 2>messaging and the issues that have now become a bit

0:28:39.320 --> 0:28:42.440
<v Speaker 2>of a distraction. As a labor person, Linda, do you

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<v Speaker 2>feel a sense of confidence that it's not going to

0:28:44.920 --> 0:28:47.080
<v Speaker 2>be a majority but it's not going to be a

0:28:47.120 --> 0:28:49.440
<v Speaker 2>change of government either, if this poll is true.

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<v Speaker 15>I don't feel confident at all. I think there's two

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<v Speaker 15>really important facts because this election will be historic no

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<v Speaker 15>matter what happens. Two important facts. The first one is

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<v Speaker 15>since nineteen fourteen, not a single first term opposition leader

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<v Speaker 15>after a loss of government has gone on to become

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<v Speaker 15>the Prime minister, So if Peter Dutton wins, it'll be

0:29:10.080 --> 0:29:14.520
<v Speaker 15>remarkable first time since nineteen fourteen. Similarly, though, no first

0:29:14.600 --> 0:29:17.800
<v Speaker 15>term prime minister has gone to an election and sought

0:29:17.800 --> 0:29:21.080
<v Speaker 15>re election with a majority as narrow as the current

0:29:21.200 --> 0:29:24.320
<v Speaker 15>Prime Minister has, So no matter what happens, this will

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<v Speaker 15>be historic. And it's why I think it is so close.

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<v Speaker 15>The polling is close. You talk to many a straight

0:29:30.240 --> 0:29:32.120
<v Speaker 15>when I door knock, even in Sydney. You know there

0:29:32.120 --> 0:29:35.320
<v Speaker 15>are people who support long term, wonderful local member Tania

0:29:35.320 --> 0:29:38.080
<v Speaker 15>piv Set, But still people say, I'm you know, I'm undecided,

0:29:38.120 --> 0:29:41.880
<v Speaker 15>I'm not sure. So those conversations that all the campaigners

0:29:41.880 --> 0:29:45.040
<v Speaker 15>are having are changing minds, and I do think it

0:29:45.080 --> 0:29:48.440
<v Speaker 15>will come down to who's got a really strong ground game,

0:29:48.680 --> 0:29:51.960
<v Speaker 15>you know, who's got lots of volunteers, who's got people

0:29:52.000 --> 0:29:55.040
<v Speaker 15>door knocking. These kinds of things in this election, when

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<v Speaker 15>it's this time, are really going to make a difference.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, also, the last prime minister to win an election

0:30:02.440 --> 0:30:05.719
<v Speaker 2>server Tom win another election. How in two thousand and

0:30:05.760 --> 0:30:10.200
<v Speaker 2>four we've had twenty years when leadership or government changes.

0:30:10.280 --> 0:30:14.520
<v Speaker 2>That's a big amount of history that is worth playing out.

0:30:14.680 --> 0:30:17.320
<v Speaker 2>Or let's get to the tariffs and the Trump tariffs,

0:30:17.480 --> 0:30:19.800
<v Speaker 2>and again let's also talk about the ghost as well.

0:30:20.600 --> 0:30:25.200
<v Speaker 2>Matt the former Prime minister basically just trying us to

0:30:25.240 --> 0:30:28.080
<v Speaker 2>be the leader of the resistance from the ABC studio

0:30:28.240 --> 0:30:33.040
<v Speaker 2>or the pink house in Sydney. Okay, fine, fair enough.

0:30:33.440 --> 0:30:35.560
<v Speaker 2>But if we're at this very precarious period of time,

0:30:35.600 --> 0:30:38.240
<v Speaker 2>we're literally this week, the President will or won't decide

0:30:38.240 --> 0:30:40.160
<v Speaker 2>to put a tariff on us. If the Premier of

0:30:40.200 --> 0:30:43.040
<v Speaker 2>Western Australia is calling the Vice president a knob, the

0:30:43.080 --> 0:30:48.000
<v Speaker 2>former prime minister is calling Trump a bully, the ambassador

0:30:48.080 --> 0:30:52.000
<v Speaker 2>to the United States is dressing up stalking the President

0:30:52.040 --> 0:30:55.080
<v Speaker 2>in January at a golf club as a meeting. This

0:30:55.200 --> 0:30:57.560
<v Speaker 2>is not a good picture for the country because real

0:30:57.640 --> 0:30:58.440
<v Speaker 2>people suffer.

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<v Speaker 1>The failure to build a bridge.

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<v Speaker 2>Even after he was elected in November, The idea that

0:31:04.240 --> 0:31:07.080
<v Speaker 2>he wasn't on a plane between November and January to

0:31:07.280 --> 0:31:10.040
<v Speaker 2>build a connection is going to hurt Australia.

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<v Speaker 14>Well, it's not helpful. None of these interventions are particularly helpful.

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<v Speaker 14>I don't know if they'll be definitive. We saw the

0:31:19.320 --> 0:31:22.680
<v Speaker 14>President's response to Malcolm Turble today, but I don't think

0:31:22.680 --> 0:31:24.600
<v Speaker 14>it's going to matter all that much in the wash up.

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<v Speaker 14>But Malcolm just can't help himself, Kenny. I suppose he

0:31:27.920 --> 0:31:30.000
<v Speaker 14>can go away and frame that tweet. I wouldn't mind

0:31:30.000 --> 0:31:32.800
<v Speaker 14>being roasted by Trump. It'd be quite an experience, wouldn't

0:31:32.800 --> 0:31:35.240
<v Speaker 14>it to have a tweet about you by the President.

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<v Speaker 6>But look, let's get back to the real game here.

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<v Speaker 14>I mean, the real focus should be on protecting Australian

0:31:40.800 --> 0:31:44.120
<v Speaker 14>jobs and Australian interests. I don't think what Malcolm is

0:31:44.120 --> 0:31:46.560
<v Speaker 14>suggesting is in any way practical. I don't know, he's

0:31:46.560 --> 0:31:47.920
<v Speaker 14>just saying, got to stand up to him, and what

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<v Speaker 14>does that mean. I mean, the facts on the ground

0:31:50.320 --> 0:31:54.080
<v Speaker 14>here of this case, right before us steal an aluminium,

0:31:54.480 --> 0:31:56.840
<v Speaker 14>is that we got that exemption last time, yes, Malcolm

0:31:56.960 --> 0:31:59.680
<v Speaker 14>was Prime Minister. The problem is that not long after

0:31:59.680 --> 0:32:02.920
<v Speaker 14>we got that exemption, the industry, the Australian industry, broke

0:32:02.920 --> 0:32:05.320
<v Speaker 14>a promise and expanded exports to the US. They promised

0:32:05.320 --> 0:32:08.240
<v Speaker 14>that they would not take advantage of the discount, and

0:32:08.320 --> 0:32:11.160
<v Speaker 14>they didn't follow through with that. I mean, I've suggested

0:32:11.160 --> 0:32:13.760
<v Speaker 14>to colleagues and ministers in the government that, look, why

0:32:13.760 --> 0:32:16.480
<v Speaker 14>don't we put forward a proposal that has more stringent

0:32:16.560 --> 0:32:19.080
<v Speaker 14>requirements this time, But if we are to achieve another

0:32:19.480 --> 0:32:22.800
<v Speaker 14>exec exemption, we could make it law or effectively a

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<v Speaker 14>regulation to stop our exports expanding like it did last time.

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<v Speaker 6>We sort of did it on a.

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<v Speaker 14>Voluntary basis and it didn't work, so maybe we could

0:32:29.680 --> 0:32:30.800
<v Speaker 14>try something more mandatory.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, Linda, again, you know, free speech, free citizens.

0:32:34.640 --> 0:32:37.720
<v Speaker 2>Say whatever he wants, but he knows exactly what he's doing,

0:32:38.080 --> 0:32:40.400
<v Speaker 2>and he knows that again, it's just about trying to

0:32:40.480 --> 0:32:43.960
<v Speaker 2>keep a fraction of the spotlight at all times. But again,

0:32:44.400 --> 0:32:46.400
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you know what it's like to talk to

0:32:46.440 --> 0:32:48.560
<v Speaker 2>people that you disagree with, but the need to talk

0:32:48.600 --> 0:32:50.960
<v Speaker 2>to them because you have to have a bridge. Now, Yes,

0:32:51.000 --> 0:32:54.680
<v Speaker 2>there's been a couple of phone calls. Yes they've done

0:32:54.720 --> 0:32:58.320
<v Speaker 2>their best, they say, but it doesn't seem like they

0:32:58.320 --> 0:33:00.840
<v Speaker 2>have built enough of a bridge to be able to

0:33:01.160 --> 0:33:03.680
<v Speaker 2>get the exemption. And I don't know that that ultimately

0:33:03.680 --> 0:33:07.800
<v Speaker 2>comes down exclusively to Trump's pig gettedness. But certainly unless

0:33:07.840 --> 0:33:11.440
<v Speaker 2>we visibly see the attempt to build a bridge, well

0:33:11.480 --> 0:33:13.160
<v Speaker 2>then we just have to trust them.

0:33:13.160 --> 0:33:15.240
<v Speaker 1>They've been building one. I don't look.

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<v Speaker 15>I think firstly, Trump's got pretty thick skin. I mean,

0:33:17.920 --> 0:33:20.480
<v Speaker 15>his own vice president compared him to Hitler and he

0:33:20.520 --> 0:33:22.320
<v Speaker 15>made him the vice president. Still, so I think, you know,

0:33:22.760 --> 0:33:25.480
<v Speaker 15>no matter what people say about Trump, He's going to

0:33:25.880 --> 0:33:29.160
<v Speaker 15>do his job. I also think it is important to

0:33:29.160 --> 0:33:31.520
<v Speaker 15>say that Australia has been building a bridge, and I

0:33:31.520 --> 0:33:34.600
<v Speaker 15>think we should applaud the efforts of the government and

0:33:34.640 --> 0:33:37.000
<v Speaker 15>the opposition to be fair, I mean, Matt Canavan, I

0:33:37.000 --> 0:33:39.880
<v Speaker 15>think he's putting forward some suggestions this should be a

0:33:39.920 --> 0:33:44.400
<v Speaker 15>bipartisan effort, a national interest effort to get these tariffs

0:33:44.400 --> 0:33:47.600
<v Speaker 15>off Australian steel and aluminum. And I don't want to

0:33:47.680 --> 0:33:52.160
<v Speaker 15>underestimate the efforts of Kevin Mnudd. He's been working round

0:33:52.200 --> 0:33:54.960
<v Speaker 15>the clock to try and talk to the new administration,

0:33:55.360 --> 0:33:57.280
<v Speaker 15>as has Heather rid Out in New York.

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't want it the Department of Fadril Foreign

0:34:00.640 --> 0:34:03.000
<v Speaker 2>Affairs can't even name the date that he had the

0:34:03.080 --> 0:34:04.040
<v Speaker 2>supposed meeting.

0:34:04.440 --> 0:34:07.360
<v Speaker 1>Then what he's doing is greasing. But the President.

0:34:07.480 --> 0:34:12.000
<v Speaker 15>She's over there in New York. She's talking to Trump's neighbors,

0:34:12.160 --> 0:34:14.920
<v Speaker 15>you know, next to Trump Tower. She's working incredibly hard.

0:34:15.000 --> 0:34:19.080
<v Speaker 15>As the former CEO of an employer group here in Australia.

0:34:19.120 --> 0:34:22.400
<v Speaker 15>She's an incredibly influential Australian. This is a team effort

0:34:22.520 --> 0:34:25.680
<v Speaker 15>right across the board, and I think we should acknowledge that.

0:34:25.719 --> 0:34:28.080
<v Speaker 15>And I also I saw Bridget Mackenzie come out this

0:34:28.160 --> 0:34:31.200
<v Speaker 15>week and say, oh, you know, Roger Cook's intervention wasn't

0:34:31.280 --> 0:34:34.439
<v Speaker 15>very helpful. Bridgid, I know you just wanted to say

0:34:34.440 --> 0:34:38.239
<v Speaker 15>the word Noel on television, Like, honestly, that kind of

0:34:38.280 --> 0:34:39.720
<v Speaker 15>intervention is not helpful.

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<v Speaker 6>We should drink.

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<v Speaker 15>We should be working together. You can do your shots

0:34:49.440 --> 0:34:50.880
<v Speaker 15>matter if you want to. I'm not going to that.

0:34:51.080 --> 0:34:52.440
<v Speaker 6>We should agree with that.

0:34:53.440 --> 0:34:57.200
<v Speaker 14>And I've supported Kevin right and I've said we shouldn't

0:34:57.239 --> 0:34:58.839
<v Speaker 14>just sack him, let's give him a go. I hope

0:34:58.840 --> 0:35:01.959
<v Speaker 14>he does really well. I' always offered to help put

0:35:01.960 --> 0:35:04.640
<v Speaker 14>the Olid branch out there. Look, I do think it's

0:35:04.719 --> 0:35:07.400
<v Speaker 14>unfortunately the Prime Minister or the Trade minister, but I

0:35:07.400 --> 0:35:09.359
<v Speaker 14>mean maybe the Prime mister really should have gotten over

0:35:09.400 --> 0:35:11.600
<v Speaker 14>on a plane and over to DC. I mean it's

0:35:11.600 --> 0:35:15.040
<v Speaker 14>been it's been now five or four months since the

0:35:15.239 --> 0:35:17.040
<v Speaker 14>only five months since the US election.

0:35:17.280 --> 0:35:20.000
<v Speaker 6>Actually just over five months exactly since the US election.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, I mean someone over there. I find that

0:35:24.040 --> 0:35:26.880
<v Speaker 6>very strange. And other leaders have done that must all

0:35:26.920 --> 0:35:29.680
<v Speaker 6>the leaders have done. That's been extra leader.

0:35:30.480 --> 0:35:33.480
<v Speaker 15>One hundred billion dollar US system that's growing to a trillion,

0:35:33.840 --> 0:35:38.400
<v Speaker 15>talking about investments, like we lead, we can't here, but

0:35:38.640 --> 0:35:40.480
<v Speaker 15>can get these tariffs.

0:35:40.000 --> 0:35:42.200
<v Speaker 2>But there are many workers trying to build a bridge.

0:35:42.400 --> 0:35:44.919
<v Speaker 2>The one who can actually get it done is leader

0:35:45.000 --> 0:35:47.800
<v Speaker 2>to the leader. We know that that's the relationship, that that

0:35:48.760 --> 0:35:53.000
<v Speaker 2>is vital, and it just hasn't happened because you know,

0:35:53.160 --> 0:35:55.920
<v Speaker 2>he'll never win. He'll never win, and then he does win,

0:35:56.000 --> 0:35:58.960
<v Speaker 2>and okay, you know I can't possibly go and talk

0:35:59.000 --> 0:36:00.400
<v Speaker 2>to him. Instead of talking to him, I have to

0:36:00.440 --> 0:36:02.359
<v Speaker 2>talk to him after he's sworn in. All right, let's

0:36:02.400 --> 0:36:05.239
<v Speaker 2>talk about cyclones in the past couple of days. I've

0:36:05.280 --> 0:36:07.560
<v Speaker 2>got a lot to say, but I'll try to bite

0:36:07.600 --> 0:36:11.640
<v Speaker 2>ma tongue about this sense that nothing happened and it

0:36:11.760 --> 0:36:13.640
<v Speaker 2>was just overhyped and it was all.

0:36:13.680 --> 0:36:17.799
<v Speaker 1>Like I sat there, I lived it. I was in

0:36:17.840 --> 0:36:19.720
<v Speaker 1>it all? Right? Was it cyclone Tracy?

0:36:20.120 --> 0:36:25.040
<v Speaker 2>No one person died, hundreds of thousands of people lose

0:36:25.120 --> 0:36:27.920
<v Speaker 2>their power, People were being pulled out of the water,

0:36:28.360 --> 0:36:32.120
<v Speaker 2>there was rescues happening, door knocks.

0:36:32.600 --> 0:36:34.200
<v Speaker 1>How is this not enough for people?

0:36:34.239 --> 0:36:36.160
<v Speaker 2>Instead we turn around and say, oh, well the media,

0:36:36.239 --> 0:36:37.640
<v Speaker 2>this is the media that Matt.

0:36:38.360 --> 0:36:42.160
<v Speaker 1>Look again, I am glad. I totally again didn't turn

0:36:42.200 --> 0:36:44.520
<v Speaker 1>agree with you. I think Lardie anyway.

0:36:44.520 --> 0:36:47.760
<v Speaker 6>I think you're right about the impact.

0:36:48.080 --> 0:36:51.120
<v Speaker 14>I suppose the issue was that the media built up

0:36:51.200 --> 0:36:54.719
<v Speaker 14>the cyclone for days and look, who cares when they're

0:36:54.719 --> 0:36:57.719
<v Speaker 14>picking a bit. But the history of this stuff in

0:36:57.760 --> 0:36:59.560
<v Speaker 14>Brisbane and Southeast queens And is that the winds and

0:36:59.560 --> 0:37:03.239
<v Speaker 14>ever that destructive. It is always the following rain. That's

0:37:03.280 --> 0:37:06.040
<v Speaker 14>what happened with Cyclone Wander in nineteen seventy four. No

0:37:06.080 --> 0:37:08.719
<v Speaker 14>one even remembers the name of that cyclone Wander. Everybody

0:37:08.719 --> 0:37:11.759
<v Speaker 14>in Brisbane remembers the nineteen seventy four floods, which is

0:37:11.760 --> 0:37:13.160
<v Speaker 14>what happened just after.

0:37:13.040 --> 0:37:15.600
<v Speaker 6>Cyclone Wander went through, and the depression afterwards.

0:37:15.600 --> 0:37:17.400
<v Speaker 14>So you know that was always the issue was going

0:37:17.440 --> 0:37:18.759
<v Speaker 14>to be the flooding, and that's what we've seen that

0:37:18.920 --> 0:37:23.320
<v Speaker 14>enormous damage and risk of people lives, amazing rescue efforts

0:37:23.320 --> 0:37:25.840
<v Speaker 14>by our emergency services that deserve.

0:37:25.640 --> 0:37:27.880
<v Speaker 6>All the applause. And look, I would just add too,

0:37:28.280 --> 0:37:29.200
<v Speaker 6>Paul I.

0:37:29.800 --> 0:37:32.520
<v Speaker 14>Up here in North Queensland, I suppose a few of

0:37:32.600 --> 0:37:35.839
<v Speaker 14>us are wondering and scratching our heads why people went

0:37:35.880 --> 0:37:37.960
<v Speaker 14>off work for three or four days. I mean, my

0:37:37.960 --> 0:37:39.920
<v Speaker 14>son goes to university down there. They haven't been had

0:37:40.000 --> 0:37:43.359
<v Speaker 14>lectures since Tuesday last week and there was like four

0:37:43.360 --> 0:37:46.359
<v Speaker 14>sunny days in Brisbane and that just seems strange. I mean,

0:37:46.360 --> 0:37:48.040
<v Speaker 14>we go through cyclones all the time up here. We

0:37:48.080 --> 0:37:49.920
<v Speaker 14>went through a Cap five cyclone here ten years ago,

0:37:49.960 --> 0:37:52.960
<v Speaker 14>and your Poune I can't remember people taking almost a

0:37:52.960 --> 0:37:55.319
<v Speaker 14>week off work. It's not a chip against Brisbane. I

0:37:55.320 --> 0:37:57.839
<v Speaker 14>do think we're in this malais post COVID that sort

0:37:57.880 --> 0:38:00.160
<v Speaker 14>of we have these preemptive lockdowns as if that's going

0:38:00.239 --> 0:38:01.040
<v Speaker 14>to fix things.

0:38:01.840 --> 0:38:04.200
<v Speaker 6>How small businesses have been hurt by this because you know.

0:38:04.200 --> 0:38:06.239
<v Speaker 14>They lose business when people don't go out and don't

0:38:06.280 --> 0:38:08.480
<v Speaker 14>work and there's no compensation package for them.

0:38:09.120 --> 0:38:11.080
<v Speaker 1>Look, that's absolutely fair.

0:38:11.200 --> 0:38:15.360
<v Speaker 2>That's a fair point about you know, whether Thursday or Friday.

0:38:16.400 --> 0:38:19.279
<v Speaker 2>But in terms of the overall history that basically this

0:38:19.400 --> 0:38:21.640
<v Speaker 2>is going to be written off as nothing by a

0:38:21.680 --> 0:38:24.279
<v Speaker 2>whole group of people. Not you, Matt, but a whole

0:38:24.640 --> 0:38:27.320
<v Speaker 2>It's just not the case, right, And I, of course

0:38:27.480 --> 0:38:29.840
<v Speaker 2>am not justifying that I went there in the media

0:38:29.920 --> 0:38:32.279
<v Speaker 2>and it was bigger than I And yes there were

0:38:32.280 --> 0:38:34.960
<v Speaker 2>some reporters that go too far. I'm just telling you

0:38:35.360 --> 0:38:38.080
<v Speaker 2>when you can hear the how, you see the brain

0:38:38.480 --> 0:38:43.440
<v Speaker 2>and you see the floods, something happened, right. But Linda,

0:38:43.480 --> 0:38:44.960
<v Speaker 2>I wanted to talk to you about with your sort

0:38:44.960 --> 0:38:48.640
<v Speaker 2>of former experience in and around local government, it seems

0:38:48.680 --> 0:38:54.760
<v Speaker 2>like Queensland councils are more empowered or even better organized

0:38:54.800 --> 0:38:58.040
<v Speaker 2>than other councils around the world. Where the country not

0:38:58.120 --> 0:39:01.520
<v Speaker 2>the world. Where their mayor give briefing that's just as

0:39:01.520 --> 0:39:03.719
<v Speaker 2>detailed as the premiers, but he's able to get down

0:39:03.800 --> 0:39:07.520
<v Speaker 2>to streets and suburbs. The publicly available information is down

0:39:07.560 --> 0:39:11.399
<v Speaker 2>to streets and streets and suburbs. I think the way

0:39:11.400 --> 0:39:14.960
<v Speaker 2>they manage this in Queensland should never be taking the

0:39:14.960 --> 0:39:17.320
<v Speaker 2>granted and should be replicated around the country.

0:39:17.520 --> 0:39:19.360
<v Speaker 15>Yeah, I think it is a very very good system.

0:39:19.440 --> 0:39:21.319
<v Speaker 15>I agree with you, Paul. I do also want to

0:39:21.320 --> 0:39:24.360
<v Speaker 15>just acknowledge that, Matt. I love that only in Australia

0:39:24.400 --> 0:39:27.120
<v Speaker 15>does a far north Queensland to go. Mate, that's not

0:39:27.200 --> 0:39:29.520
<v Speaker 15>a site you should anyway.

0:39:29.560 --> 0:39:34.920
<v Speaker 6>It's well, it's a fly, it's not a see.

0:39:35.480 --> 0:39:35.960
<v Speaker 1>I get it.

0:39:36.440 --> 0:39:40.080
<v Speaker 15>But look, I do think the Queensland mayors are full

0:39:40.200 --> 0:39:43.759
<v Speaker 15>of compliments for Premier Christal fully and I do really

0:39:43.800 --> 0:39:45.800
<v Speaker 15>want to call that out. And I think the level

0:39:45.800 --> 0:39:49.400
<v Speaker 15>of collaboration between the Commnwealth Government, the Prime Minister, the

0:39:49.400 --> 0:39:53.960
<v Speaker 15>Premier and the Council's has actually been magnificent. This poor premier,

0:39:54.040 --> 0:39:55.799
<v Speaker 15>he's on the other side of politics. To me, it's

0:39:55.800 --> 0:39:59.000
<v Speaker 15>his second natural disaster in a very short time. He's

0:39:59.040 --> 0:40:00.920
<v Speaker 15>been talking to them regularly.

0:40:01.160 --> 0:40:01.360
<v Speaker 12>You know.

0:40:01.400 --> 0:40:03.960
<v Speaker 15>The feedback I'm hearing from Queensland mayors is that it's

0:40:03.960 --> 0:40:07.320
<v Speaker 15>gone as well as it possibly could, given how difficult

0:40:07.360 --> 0:40:10.279
<v Speaker 15>a natural disaster it has been, and that mayors have

0:40:10.440 --> 0:40:13.760
<v Speaker 15>been because they know their local area so well, able

0:40:13.840 --> 0:40:16.520
<v Speaker 15>to you know, advise the public, as you say, Paul,

0:40:16.560 --> 0:40:19.360
<v Speaker 15>when's streets are closed, when schools can be open, and

0:40:19.400 --> 0:40:22.840
<v Speaker 15>there's been that really nuanced approach which I think works

0:40:22.880 --> 0:40:25.920
<v Speaker 15>incredibly well. I also want to call out since we

0:40:26.040 --> 0:40:29.160
<v Speaker 15>had the floods in northern New South Wales in twenty

0:40:29.320 --> 0:40:32.600
<v Speaker 15>twenty two, when local members like Janelle seven had to

0:40:32.640 --> 0:40:35.920
<v Speaker 15>dive off her own veranda, literally go around rescuing her

0:40:35.960 --> 0:40:40.480
<v Speaker 15>neighbors and swim out. We've got a national Emergency agency

0:40:40.719 --> 0:40:43.920
<v Speaker 15>that has been a really big deal and that helps

0:40:43.920 --> 0:40:48.280
<v Speaker 15>to coordinate across the different federal agencies to bring support.

0:40:48.719 --> 0:40:51.520
<v Speaker 15>The other thing that has dramatically changed is that we

0:40:51.880 --> 0:40:56.439
<v Speaker 15>long advocated for prevention funding so that councils could get

0:40:56.440 --> 0:41:00.360
<v Speaker 15>some funding retrofitter, surf club, maybe as an evacuation center,

0:41:00.560 --> 0:41:04.200
<v Speaker 15>or build a flood levee to prevent the impact of

0:41:04.239 --> 0:41:08.680
<v Speaker 15>these dangerous weather events from climate change on impacting homes

0:41:08.719 --> 0:41:12.759
<v Speaker 15>and local infrastructure. The prevention money has been critical. That

0:41:12.920 --> 0:41:16.080
<v Speaker 15>had been a recommendation of a Royal Commission in Australia

0:41:16.520 --> 0:41:20.359
<v Speaker 15>twenty thirty years ago and it was implemented by Mari.

0:41:20.480 --> 0:41:23.840
<v Speaker 15>What it means counsels can invest in prevention infrastructure and

0:41:23.880 --> 0:41:26.080
<v Speaker 15>that is going to save lives and it's going to

0:41:26.120 --> 0:41:29.160
<v Speaker 15>save homes and properties and that's a big deal. It's

0:41:29.200 --> 0:41:30.160
<v Speaker 15>a really big deal.

0:41:30.239 --> 0:41:30.439
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:41:30.680 --> 0:41:33.160
<v Speaker 2>So Matt, I've got sixty seconds, so I want to

0:41:33.800 --> 0:41:36.759
<v Speaker 2>what are the lefty states. Circle back, go back to

0:41:36.800 --> 0:41:38.720
<v Speaker 2>what you were saying about, you know, when you shut

0:41:38.760 --> 0:41:39.719
<v Speaker 2>things down.

0:41:40.239 --> 0:41:41.160
<v Speaker 1>I think there is just this.

0:41:41.200 --> 0:41:43.279
<v Speaker 2>Very fundamental idea here that we've got to deal with,

0:41:43.320 --> 0:41:46.240
<v Speaker 2>which is it is the responsibility of everyone to maintain

0:41:46.320 --> 0:41:50.480
<v Speaker 2>normal life for as long as humanly possible until something

0:41:50.560 --> 0:41:52.040
<v Speaker 2>gets in the way of it.

0:41:52.400 --> 0:41:54.759
<v Speaker 1>But there is a very very.

0:41:54.840 --> 0:41:58.720
<v Speaker 2>Large number of people who love and I'm talking about

0:41:58.760 --> 0:42:03.320
<v Speaker 2>the public who love the lockdown, who demand it goes longer.

0:42:03.840 --> 0:42:07.280
<v Speaker 14>I think that's I love it. I love the lockdown,

0:42:07.320 --> 0:42:09.520
<v Speaker 14>but they do love. Yeah, I love the lockdown. I

0:42:09.640 --> 0:42:11.640
<v Speaker 14>got you know, you can I go to the backyard here.

0:42:11.719 --> 0:42:14.120
<v Speaker 14>It was fantastic. It was a beautiful time. But it's

0:42:14.200 --> 0:42:16.680
<v Speaker 14>not right, you know, and we've got to get out

0:42:16.680 --> 0:42:19.040
<v Speaker 14>of this malaise. Look at our productivity through the floor.

0:42:19.360 --> 0:42:21.239
<v Speaker 14>And this is only a small aspect of this, but

0:42:21.280 --> 0:42:24.560
<v Speaker 14>we effectively shut down our third largest city for three

0:42:24.640 --> 0:42:27.840
<v Speaker 14>or four days last week. Transport wasn't working, People couldn't

0:42:27.840 --> 0:42:30.560
<v Speaker 14>get from to and from work. The situation should be

0:42:31.000 --> 0:42:33.320
<v Speaker 14>if you have a risk to you and your family

0:42:33.400 --> 0:42:36.360
<v Speaker 14>and your property, sure some reasonable time off work to

0:42:36.360 --> 0:42:39.759
<v Speaker 14>deal with that is and should be available. But this

0:42:40.080 --> 0:42:44.520
<v Speaker 14>mass society wide lockdowns. It makes no sense. And as

0:42:44.560 --> 0:42:46.880
<v Speaker 14>I say, the real victims of this are the small

0:42:46.920 --> 0:42:51.480
<v Speaker 14>business cafes, the shops. They get nothing, they get absolutely nothing.

0:42:51.520 --> 0:42:53.680
<v Speaker 14>They've got to pay wages, they've gotta pay rent, and

0:42:53.920 --> 0:42:56.640
<v Speaker 14>they're in the whole thousands of dollars over the past week.

0:42:56.880 --> 0:42:58.720
<v Speaker 6>And I don't think that's right. We need to reflect

0:42:58.800 --> 0:42:59.120
<v Speaker 6>on that.

0:42:59.680 --> 0:43:01.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, will look and while they shut down the schools,

0:43:02.400 --> 0:43:05.560
<v Speaker 2>there are so many examples of the people who just

0:43:05.640 --> 0:43:08.879
<v Speaker 2>keep powering on right, like literally, you know, it didn't

0:43:08.880 --> 0:43:11.560
<v Speaker 2>matter where we were. The cleaners, the people who work

0:43:11.600 --> 0:43:14.080
<v Speaker 2>in the hotels, the people who work in the surveys,

0:43:14.160 --> 0:43:16.360
<v Speaker 2>they were there all the time. Even you know a

0:43:16.440 --> 0:43:19.000
<v Speaker 2>few people in the gig economy as well. So you know,

0:43:19.280 --> 0:43:21.080
<v Speaker 2>I see you, and I think they should be rewarded

0:43:21.120 --> 0:43:23.600
<v Speaker 2>as well. But again, the maximum opportunity for everyone to

0:43:23.600 --> 0:43:25.120
<v Speaker 2>stay up. And thank you, Linda, Thank you. Senator.

0:43:25.160 --> 0:43:27.000
<v Speaker 1>All right, quick break back when I want to talk.

0:43:26.840 --> 0:43:30.920
<v Speaker 2>About insurance now again the Prime Minister and politicians, ah,

0:43:31.040 --> 0:43:33.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, we should they must pay up, and of

0:43:33.000 --> 0:43:35.160
<v Speaker 2>course they should pay up. But how do we either

0:43:35.239 --> 0:43:37.319
<v Speaker 2>change the system to force it, or is there a

0:43:37.400 --> 0:43:40.799
<v Speaker 2>limit to the ability to tell the insurance company to

0:43:40.840 --> 0:43:42.839
<v Speaker 2>do it. But talk about that with somebody who knows

0:43:42.840 --> 0:43:45.200
<v Speaker 2>way more about it than me. A few dumb questions,

0:43:45.239 --> 0:43:52.880
<v Speaker 2>but smart answers coming up next. All right, insurance, the politics,

0:43:52.880 --> 0:43:55.719
<v Speaker 2>the politics, the politics are the Prime Minister definitely not

0:43:55.719 --> 0:43:58.879
<v Speaker 2>playing politics today while he was out and about talking

0:43:58.880 --> 0:44:01.600
<v Speaker 2>about insurance and why the companies must pay. But of

0:44:01.640 --> 0:44:04.279
<v Speaker 2>course isn't he in a position to pass a law

0:44:04.320 --> 0:44:06.920
<v Speaker 2>and make them pay.

0:44:07.120 --> 0:44:10.279
<v Speaker 7>The insurance companies need to do the right thing. They

0:44:10.280 --> 0:44:14.200
<v Speaker 7>have a social license and people expect them to make

0:44:14.280 --> 0:44:19.240
<v Speaker 7>payments in a speedy and effective way. We're hoping, of course,

0:44:19.320 --> 0:44:21.359
<v Speaker 7>that they do the right thing. If not, we'll give

0:44:21.440 --> 0:44:23.880
<v Speaker 7>consideration to any measures that are required.

0:44:24.719 --> 0:44:28.640
<v Speaker 2>Right between Orange and Wellington, just checking the map. Here

0:44:28.920 --> 0:44:31.640
<v Speaker 2>in central western New South Wales a wonderful city called Molong,

0:44:31.680 --> 0:44:34.600
<v Speaker 2>a lovelier town, and joining us from there right now is.

0:44:34.520 --> 0:44:37.200
<v Speaker 1>A lawyer who has helped her community.

0:44:37.239 --> 0:44:41.279
<v Speaker 2>She won the New South Wales Regional Woman of the Year,

0:44:41.680 --> 0:44:45.560
<v Speaker 2>and Kirsty Evans is her name. Kirsty, you have been

0:44:45.640 --> 0:44:49.160
<v Speaker 2>right in the heart of this nexus between what the

0:44:49.200 --> 0:44:51.960
<v Speaker 2>companies will do, what the customers demand, and how the

0:44:52.080 --> 0:44:57.160
<v Speaker 2>law works in and around all of this. Put simply,

0:44:57.239 --> 0:45:01.759
<v Speaker 2>can we change laws to four companies to lower their

0:45:01.800 --> 0:45:03.040
<v Speaker 2>threshold that they have to.

0:45:02.960 --> 0:45:03.480
<v Speaker 1>Pay out on?

0:45:05.600 --> 0:45:10.920
<v Speaker 8>We can pass laws to hold insurers to account. There

0:45:10.920 --> 0:45:14.120
<v Speaker 8>are standards that they set themselves and they are not

0:45:14.280 --> 0:45:17.720
<v Speaker 8>meeting their standards. We have seen this time and time again.

0:45:17.840 --> 0:45:20.560
<v Speaker 8>We had an inquiry about it and we have not

0:45:20.760 --> 0:45:23.279
<v Speaker 8>yet seen effective change.

0:45:23.560 --> 0:45:24.520
<v Speaker 1>So give me an idea.

0:45:24.680 --> 0:45:27.799
<v Speaker 2>Is this something that state and federal parliament needs to

0:45:27.840 --> 0:45:31.279
<v Speaker 2>do or this is something that we can start to

0:45:31.280 --> 0:45:33.480
<v Speaker 2>put a bit of pressure on both sides going into

0:45:33.520 --> 0:45:36.600
<v Speaker 2>an election to start to talk about can this be

0:45:36.600 --> 0:45:37.760
<v Speaker 2>done at a federal level?

0:45:39.000 --> 0:45:42.880
<v Speaker 8>Absolutely, it absolutely can, and we need that change to occur.

0:45:43.200 --> 0:45:46.080
<v Speaker 8>We had eighty four recommendations come out of the Parliamentary

0:45:46.360 --> 0:45:49.360
<v Speaker 8>Inquiry and some of them, if they are mandated that

0:45:49.560 --> 0:45:53.640
<v Speaker 8>is made to hold insurance to account, can affect change.

0:45:53.960 --> 0:45:55.960
<v Speaker 8>But as recently as a couple of weeks ago, we

0:45:56.080 --> 0:45:59.160
<v Speaker 8>saw the Insurance Council of Australia come out with you know,

0:45:59.239 --> 0:46:01.799
<v Speaker 8>changes the federal government can make. So it's left hand

0:46:01.800 --> 0:46:04.920
<v Speaker 8>finding the right here they're all around in circle and

0:46:04.960 --> 0:46:07.320
<v Speaker 8>no one is doing anything to move this forward.

0:46:07.840 --> 0:46:10.760
<v Speaker 2>So we're in a situation where obviously the financial interest

0:46:10.880 --> 0:46:16.719
<v Speaker 2>versus the political imperative. I don't know why the regulator,

0:46:16.760 --> 0:46:19.120
<v Speaker 2>that being the federal government wouldn't be trying to choose

0:46:19.440 --> 0:46:24.680
<v Speaker 2>the opportunity to take care of the policyholders, not the

0:46:24.680 --> 0:46:28.680
<v Speaker 2>interests of the industry. What are the excuses as to

0:46:28.760 --> 0:46:32.760
<v Speaker 2>why they won't try to introduce what these inquiries, what yourself,

0:46:32.960 --> 0:46:35.760
<v Speaker 2>what common sense would tell you, should be the rules

0:46:35.760 --> 0:46:36.279
<v Speaker 2>of the road.

0:46:38.000 --> 0:46:42.200
<v Speaker 8>Look, absolutely, we've seen changes where despite giving evidence, despite

0:46:42.680 --> 0:46:46.279
<v Speaker 8>homeowners policy owners showing up in inquiries and saying that

0:46:46.320 --> 0:46:50.919
<v Speaker 8>they've lost everything, and then a finding of misconduct or

0:46:50.960 --> 0:46:55.120
<v Speaker 8>delay by the insurance being spoken about by the Economics Committee,

0:46:55.280 --> 0:47:01.160
<v Speaker 8>we're still not seeing anything enforced. Gives all of these

0:47:01.160 --> 0:47:03.560
<v Speaker 8>homeowners who are now in this situation to think, am

0:47:03.600 --> 0:47:06.279
<v Speaker 8>I going through this struggle again? Am I going to

0:47:06.320 --> 0:47:09.399
<v Speaker 8>be here in two years still fighting tooth and now

0:47:09.480 --> 0:47:12.680
<v Speaker 8>for every dollar that I'm owed under my policy? And frankly,

0:47:12.719 --> 0:47:15.040
<v Speaker 8>it's just not good enough for the Australian public because

0:47:15.080 --> 0:47:18.600
<v Speaker 8>what we're seeing is a secondary trauma when insurers lodge

0:47:18.640 --> 0:47:22.240
<v Speaker 8>their insurance, lodge their claims and then they're ultimately denied.

0:47:23.040 --> 0:47:25.360
<v Speaker 8>You know, just a few weeks ago we had the

0:47:25.360 --> 0:47:28.360
<v Speaker 8>Corporate Governance Committee issue one hundred thousand dollar penalty to

0:47:28.520 --> 0:47:31.520
<v Speaker 8>ensure to an insurer for I think you know upwards

0:47:31.520 --> 0:47:34.960
<v Speaker 8>to thirty complaints about their conducted acclaim, but then they're

0:47:35.000 --> 0:47:39.360
<v Speaker 8>refused to name the insurer. Naming the insurer provides that

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<v Speaker 8>transparency and allows customers to think with their feet and change.

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<v Speaker 8>But at this moment, we're still providing a safe haven

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<v Speaker 8>and loopholes for insurer to escape their responsibilities.

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<v Speaker 2>So for the people that have gone through what they've

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<v Speaker 2>gone through this weekend, part of your response to natural

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<v Speaker 2>disasters has been to do hundreds of hours of pro

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<v Speaker 2>bone I work recognized as I said in that awards

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<v Speaker 2>the U South Wels Regional Woman.

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<v Speaker 1>Of the Year. Do you want more lawyers to do

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<v Speaker 1>what you did?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you want more people to reach out to lawyers

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<v Speaker 2>and ask them to do it? Somebody who's watching us

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<v Speaker 2>right now, who might just feel it's going to be

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<v Speaker 2>a little o them versus fifteen floors of the law

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<v Speaker 2>firms of an insurance company, what should they do?

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<v Speaker 8>That's a really great question, and I have kind of

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<v Speaker 8>an overall thing for everyone from the top end of

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<v Speaker 8>town to the individual. So top end of town these

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<v Speaker 8>are your big corporations. They're going to have their own

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<v Speaker 8>private claims preparation specialists come to these towns and prepare

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<v Speaker 8>their claims on their behalf. They're going to cut out

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<v Speaker 8>the middleman of the insurer, so the insurer's loss adjusters

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<v Speaker 8>and they're insurers. Hydrologists will be put to the side,

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<v Speaker 8>so the top end of town can get their own

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<v Speaker 8>loss of justters in that will fast track their claims. Well,

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<v Speaker 8>what that does is it removes all claims preparation specialists

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<v Speaker 8>and removes them just for the top end of town.

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<v Speaker 8>So what I would like to see is someone from

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<v Speaker 8>these big companies reach out to a family business in

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<v Speaker 8>the community and say, whilst our claims preparation specialist is

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<v Speaker 8>in town, we're going to claim. We're going to prepare

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<v Speaker 8>your claim as well.

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<v Speaker 1>You're I think that that.

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<v Speaker 8>Is a real, real impact that can happen. So I've

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<v Speaker 8>called out a few people for that and I really

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<v Speaker 8>hope that we can have that happen. And then as

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<v Speaker 8>we move to small to medium and sorry.

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<v Speaker 2>No iet, my apologies, I've run out of time, but Kirsty,

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<v Speaker 2>you're coming back and we're talking longer, and we're going

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<v Speaker 2>point by point, because I think that.

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<v Speaker 1>Obviously you've lived it, you've helped.

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<v Speaker 2>People, and I want to make sure that we can

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<v Speaker 2>get some of your ideas. Pressure, pressure, pressure, because while

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<v Speaker 2>everyone else will be distracted what they what they want

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<v Speaker 2>to talk about, they're going to be forced to do

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<v Speaker 2>what we talk about. Thank you, mate, appreciate it. We'll

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<v Speaker 2>see you again tomorrow. That's our show for tonight. We'll

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<v Speaker 2>see you again tomorrow. Plenty more here on Paul Murray Life.

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<v Speaker 1>Tonna