Speaker 1: From the Skying Center. This is Paul Burray Live today.
Speaker 1: Nice to be back in the man cave.
Speaker 2: It is water tight, it is warm, but it is
Speaker 2: still a rough night for some people in Queensland.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for watching us.
Speaker 2: A lot to get to on the show tonight, including
Speaker 2: the Prime Minister. Well the polls may suggest has he
Speaker 2: bottomed out? Has he made a turn? We talk about
Speaker 2: that in a moment or Tuesday time. There's also a
Speaker 2: whole collection of other things we'll get to this evening
Speaker 2: and we'll do all of the politics in a moment
Speaker 2: or two time. But back to a normal show tonight.
Speaker 2: But how do I not start with what I have
Speaker 2: been in the middle of for the past few days,
Speaker 2: just the latest update. We're not going to go on
Speaker 2: and on about it, but I want to make sure
Speaker 2: that the people in southeast Queensland and now increasingly regional
Speaker 2: Queensland know that we can see them, even though some
Speaker 2: of the intensity of the media attention is going to
Speaker 2: go in the next couple of days. The worry for
Speaker 2: the majority of the population today was flooding in and
Speaker 2: around Brisbane at this stage, as best as I can
Speaker 2: work out, minor but that was the worry of the
Speaker 2: Premier today.
Speaker 3: I want to reflect on the impacted Risbone because I
Speaker 3: know some intense rainfall throughout the night did see some
Speaker 3: flash flooding in some of those areas. Major flood warnings
Speaker 3: are in place for the Albert and Logan rivers. Dow
Speaker 3: knocks have occurred in these areas and it is crucial
Speaker 3: because telecommunications remains a challenge in some parts of this area.
Speaker 2: Being clean up in and around Harvey Bay after their
Speaker 2: situation of a couple of hundred mills falling in just
Speaker 2: a few hours. Looking at the rain radar right now,
Speaker 2: it is intensifying to the west as the basically, if
Speaker 2: I can draw a circle here from Theodore in the
Speaker 2: north which is inland way inland, but basically from say
Speaker 2: Bunderberg down and around to Roma over across maybe to
Speaker 2: King Arroy and yeah up in Montop sort of up
Speaker 2: in the top right hand corner. It is hard, heavy
Speaker 2: and moving its way across and that will have its
Speaker 2: own issues the next oft the wall. Here is the
Speaker 2: latest on skyonies weather about what the next twenty four
Speaker 2: hours looks like in the mighty state of Queensland.
Speaker 4: Over the next twenty four hours, while we are still
Speaker 4: dealing with rainfall. You can see it's moving to the south,
Speaker 4: so it is continuing to push out of Brisbane and
Speaker 4: well into.
Speaker 5: New South Wales.
Speaker 4: What this means for your Tuesday again, the system could
Speaker 4: produce still isolated periods of heavy rainfall and the threat
Speaker 4: for thunderstorms remains in the mix.
Speaker 1: In New South Wales.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there is still some flooding in some areas, but
Speaker 2: fingers crossed, this thing is starting to fall away. But
Speaker 2: that doesn't mean that there aren't worries. For their premiere today, I.
Speaker 6: Want to make it clear that we're not out of
Speaker 6: the woods yet.
Speaker 3: We're watching very closely the river systems in the northern rivers.
Speaker 6: There's still a lot of.
Speaker 5: Rain out there.
Speaker 6: There's still a lot of full rivers, swollen rivers.
Speaker 2: And the Prime Minister was definitely not campaigning today. Anthony
Speaker 2: Abernezi was definitely not trying to get on television today.
Speaker 2: He definitely had vital and important pieces of information that
Speaker 2: was breaking news from coast to coast. He was definitely
Speaker 2: not campaigning.
Speaker 7: This has been a difficult period, but we are seeing
Speaker 7: it through and we are seeing it through together as
Speaker 7: a community, as Australians. Showing who we are. We're a
Speaker 7: resilient bunch and we deal with hardship, vital.
Speaker 2: And important up to the minute information from the Prime
Speaker 2: Minister who's definitely not just trying to keep his head
Speaker 2: on television in that seat in northern New South Wales
Speaker 2: that the Labor Party has always looked to win but
Speaker 2: currently the National Party has and he's definitely not trying
Speaker 2: to do the same when it comes to Southeast Coinsland.
Speaker 2: As for the thousands of homes that have been reconnected,
Speaker 2: and after a weekend of no power, there has been
Speaker 2: quite a few happy faces in and around. There are
Speaker 2: still tens of thousands of homes that do not have
Speaker 2: the power. But when the power comes back.
Speaker 1: On your suburban, by the look of it, I think
Speaker 1: this is either cool and gatter or tweed heeads.
Speaker 2: But everyone has the same reaction when the power comes
Speaker 2: on after a couple of days.
Speaker 1: How good is this? I love that moment? All right?
Speaker 2: May there be many more smiles and cheese in the
Speaker 2: next few days. Obviously, the twenty four to seven coverage
Speaker 2: is on Sky News whether make sure the homepage is
Speaker 2: sky news dot com dot Au. As part of the
Speaker 2: Prime Minister definitely not campaigning today, he decided to go
Speaker 2: after the insurance companies. Now, there are always, and I
Speaker 2: mean always, huge deficiencies in the way that insurance companies
Speaker 2: react to these situations. People have to go through a
Speaker 2: long and bureaucratic process because these companies they don't want
Speaker 2: to pay out.
Speaker 1: Why because that's the whole point to their business.
Speaker 2: Remember, the whole point of the insurance business is to
Speaker 2: bet that you will not need to claim anything from
Speaker 2: them in any twelve month period. When that number goes up,
Speaker 2: their profits go down and their share price may will
Speaker 2: be affected. But the Prime Minister, again definitely not campaigning today,
Speaker 2: was saying pretty populist stuff regarding insurance companies.
Speaker 8: Insurance companies have plenty of money. They are ripping us off.
Speaker 8: They have put their premiums up double inflation.
Speaker 6: What do you say to that.
Speaker 7: I say that Kosh is right and we will certainly
Speaker 7: hold the insurance companies to account. This is a time
Speaker 7: where they need to do a bit of repair of
Speaker 7: their relationships with the Australian public by doing the right
Speaker 7: thing and making payments immediately.
Speaker 1: For people who are eligible. That's what people expect.
Speaker 2: Definitely not campaigning vital news information from the Prime Minister
Speaker 2: today that could not be from Camber. It had to
Speaker 2: be delivered from the tropical cyclone zone. The problem is
Speaker 2: the Prime Minister pretends he is powerless in this situation. Now,
Speaker 2: if he believes that the insurance industry is ripping people off,
Speaker 2: then why doesn't he change the law. Parliament will be
Speaker 2: coming back for the budget, but there will be a
Speaker 2: few days in and around it where if they want
Speaker 2: to pass a law, they can pass a law. They
Speaker 2: can change the insurance system to make sure that the
Speaker 2: t's and c's are only an a four piece of paper.
Speaker 1: But of course the truth.
Speaker 2: Is that these companies and this area is big, it's complicated,
Speaker 2: and any major changes that force more payments, and there
Speaker 2: should be people getting paid when it comes to insurance.
Speaker 2: But the more they pay out, the higher they charge.
Speaker 2: And one of the things that has been shoving inflation
Speaker 2: through the roof. One of the things that this government
Speaker 2: can't hide behind when it comes to pretending that they've
Speaker 2: helped with the cost of living that I've been talking
Speaker 2: about for years is insurance. Now, the reality of our
Speaker 2: country is twenty seven million people.
Speaker 1: There is only so many people who.
Speaker 2: Share the overall financial burden when it comes to insurance
Speaker 2: because the cost of it keeps going up, it's fewer
Speaker 2: people and obviously kids aren't having insurance, and now we're
Speaker 2: in a scenario ware. Some of the people who absolutely
Speaker 2: need it can't afford it. At one point six million
Speaker 2: people are in a scenario ware to get through the day,
Speaker 2: to pay for the rent, to pay for the mortgage,
Speaker 2: to pay for all of the stuff. The Prime Minister says,
Speaker 2: doesn't matter because we've definitely changed the subject. Look at
Speaker 2: me over here, not complainant, not campaigning, not at all.
Speaker 2: Those people have had to choose, and when it goes
Speaker 2: wrong and you bet against mother nature, you end up
Speaker 2: being in a world of pain, either being uninsured or underinsured.
Speaker 2: So tonight on the show, a little bit later, I'm
Speaker 2: going to have to talk to somebody about how can
Speaker 2: we put a handbrake on an insurance company to make
Speaker 2: sure that their threshold for payment is lower, that the
Speaker 2: cost of premiums don't go through the roof, and what
Speaker 2: the Federal Parliament could do as soon as tomorrow if
Speaker 2: they really cared about that situation. But of course they're
Speaker 2: just definitely not campaigning. And when the parliament does resume,
Speaker 2: of course it is going to be about that federal budget.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: My bet is they're going to find some way to
Speaker 2: get to a surplus because they can say, look at
Speaker 2: how many.
Speaker 1: Surpluses we have.
Speaker 2: Yet the reality is that the country has been in
Speaker 2: a household level in a recession for two years. Most
Speaker 2: of the jobs are paid for by government. This is
Speaker 2: the Labor Party trick to create that triangle where you're
Speaker 2: either dependent on welfare, you're dependent because you work for them,
Speaker 2: or your business is dependent on government because they are
Speaker 2: the biggest buyer. They will not hold back because it's
Speaker 2: an election budget and expect another version of twenty five
Speaker 2: dollars a month, which sounds like a very big number
Speaker 2: when you add every house together, but in reality twenty
Speaker 2: five dollars a month being paid to power companies to
Speaker 2: deliver the Prime ministers lie from the last election about
Speaker 2: a reduction in power priceis when the reality of his
Speaker 2: time in office has been an increase in power prices.
Speaker 2: But it cannot go without saying that today is a
Speaker 2: day that has pucket a few people in the political
Speaker 2: world in and around the newspoll it came out today,
Speaker 2: Now it looks like we are headed for a minority government.
Speaker 1: That becomes now clearer which.
Speaker 2: Minority government, Well, we can get into that in a second.
Speaker 1: As you know, it is a two.
Speaker 2: Party preferred at the moment of fifty one to forty nine,
Speaker 2: So basically, in a statistical era, it could be Labor
Speaker 2: up fifty one, it could be the Coalition of fifty
Speaker 2: three or down to forty seven. So we're in a
Speaker 2: very tight area right now. But if that newspoll was
Speaker 2: the election, Labor loses seven seats. They're currently on seventy
Speaker 2: eight seats, so that would take them to seventy one seats,
Speaker 2: the Liberal Party sixty five. It'd be the Labor Party,
Speaker 2: even though the Coalition leads on two pointy preferred who
Speaker 2: would end up forming a minority government. But there is
Speaker 2: something that I did want to note, which is there's
Speaker 2: a confusing sub message, which is not me blaming the Polster.
Speaker 2: It's just there are two results that don't quite match.
Speaker 1: At the moment.
Speaker 2: Literally two weeks ago, one of the sub questions, apart
Speaker 2: from who we are going to vote for, was does
Speaker 2: this government deserve to be re elected or is it
Speaker 2: time to give somebody else a go? It produced headlines
Speaker 2: like the majority in the mood for a change. In fact,
Speaker 2: only thirty four percent of people told Newspoll two weeks
Speaker 2: ago that the government deserved to be re elected. Fifty
Speaker 2: three percent say give someone else a go. But what
Speaker 2: we have learned today is that apparently a majority of
Speaker 2: people don't think that the opposition in the same pole
Speaker 2: are ready to form government. But before you think I'm
Speaker 2: going all Derman gloom here there is a huge opportunity
Speaker 2: which has been presented by the Prime Minister putting a
Speaker 2: budget on the table. Now, yes, that means another week
Speaker 2: of grim GM, another couple of weeks of them previewing.
Speaker 1: And leaking and ruling in and not ruling in.
Speaker 2: But then after the Tuesday night, when the budget is delivered,
Speaker 2: there is an opportunity for a nationally telecast thirty minutes
Speaker 2: uninterrupted speech to be given by Peter Dutton. It will
Speaker 2: be the most significant speech of his time as opposition
Speaker 2: later because he's able to make the case uninterrupted both
Speaker 2: here and on Taxpayer TV about his vision for the country.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: When he gave this speech last year, he dropped this
Speaker 2: idea in the middle of the speech. Most of the
Speaker 2: media ignored it. We did not because we knew this
Speaker 2: would be a winner.
Speaker 9: The Coalition can free up almost forty thousand additional homes
Speaker 9: in the first year and well over one hundred thousand
Speaker 9: homes in the first five years. First, we will implement
Speaker 9: a two year ban on foreign investors and temporary residents
Speaker 9: purchasing existing homes in Australia.
Speaker 2: That was in that speech from last year. There has to,
Speaker 2: of course be big things in there about the economic gender,
Speaker 2: but that is a values based principle that polling has
Speaker 2: shown us many months after, and we know the government's
Speaker 2: trying to do some version of a copy, but that
Speaker 2: has the support of seventy three percent of people in
Speaker 2: marginal electorates seventy three percent support and that's what I've highlighted.
Speaker 1: Therefore, you in the bottom left hand corner, sixty two
Speaker 1: percent of workers agree.
Speaker 2: On a ban on Dutton span on foreign ownership, seventy
Speaker 2: nine percent of his own voters, even fifty eight percent
Speaker 2: of Green's voters overall sixty nine but in those most
Speaker 2: marginal seats seventy three percent. So yes, you're going to
Speaker 2: think it's all about the government saving its backside. Well
Speaker 2: as Peter Dutton showed in a speech the same speech
Speaker 2: last year, you can come up with an idea that
Speaker 2: almost three quarters of people agree with and can become
Speaker 2: a major stepping stone. Remember where the polls have gone
Speaker 2: in the past twelve months. We will all watch it
Speaker 2: very closely together. Which brings us to the issue of
Speaker 2: the Donald the great Man. Right now now, Donald Trump
Speaker 2: believes that tariff's is one of the most beautiful words
Speaker 2: in the world. And this week Australia will ultimately find
Speaker 2: out if we will be treated like the worst of
Speaker 2: enemies or the best of friends, whether we will or
Speaker 2: won't get a exemption from these significant prices that will
Speaker 2: be and taxes that will be put on the importation
Speaker 2: of Australian steel to the United States. Trump has made
Speaker 2: that clear and at this point in time there is
Speaker 2: no sign whatsoever of him bending now. At the time,
Speaker 2: you remember, I wasn't going to buy into this as
Speaker 2: a potential failure of the current leadership, failing to put
Speaker 2: a relationship in place since before the last election or
Speaker 2: between that period of time of November to January. But
Speaker 2: today the Prime Minister seems to believe that nothing else
Speaker 2: can be done, that despite the fact that he had
Speaker 2: every opportunity to go and visit in between November and January. No, no, no,
Speaker 2: we're just going to sit back and say too hard basket.
Speaker 7: I've said before, I'm not going to give a running
Speaker 7: commentary on a daily basis of President Trump's comments.
Speaker 6: How worried are you? An exemption for Australia is now
Speaker 6: off the table.
Speaker 7: I'm focused on this issue, will continue to put our
Speaker 7: case to our friends in the United States.
Speaker 2: But of course we have the greatest representative of all time,
Speaker 2: the greatest, the man who wanted to run the United Nations,
Speaker 2: who is our ambassador there, that of course being the
Speaker 2: former Prime Minister Kevin Rudd. And as best as we
Speaker 2: can work out, the closest that he has had to
Speaker 2: a meeting with the President of the United States stalking
Speaker 2: him at a golf club. The only person who's actually
Speaker 2: had that sort of face to FaceTime is the former
Speaker 2: Prime Minister Scott Morrison, who's been New Year's Eve at
Speaker 2: Mari Lago.
Speaker 1: Now, remember when.
Speaker 2: Officials last week were asked about the contact between the
Speaker 2: President and the former Prime Minister Rudd.
Speaker 1: This was their answer about tell us more about this
Speaker 1: golf club meeting.
Speaker 6: When did ambassadrud meet President Trump?
Speaker 10: We said we tap that on leaders?
Speaker 6: Okay, is that an answer that could be provided reasonably
Speaker 6: quickly as quickly as we can?
Speaker 1: Thank you. I'm grateful for that.
Speaker 6: Can you say where the meeting was?
Speaker 10: Well?
Speaker 11: I refer to previous answers, Simon.
Speaker 2: Then trigger warning, trigger warning, I'm about to talk about
Speaker 2: a political ghost. We don't believe in ghosts on this program.
Speaker 2: But the political ghost is back in the headlines again.
Speaker 2: Why because what Donald Trump has truly he thought of
Speaker 2: the former prime minister is now yet again out in public.
Speaker 2: Because of course, the former Prime minister, not happy with
Speaker 2: finding a way to turn up on friendly media in Australia,
Speaker 2: is trying to make a play to be interviewed worldwide
Speaker 2: as an anti trumpster that we know him to be.
Speaker 1: Here's some of the back and forth.
Speaker 5: Malcolm Turnbull, he says, who was always leading that wonderful
Speaker 5: country from behind, never understood what was going on in China,
Speaker 5: nor did he have the capacity to do so. I
Speaker 5: always thought he was a weak and ineffective leader. And
Speaker 5: obviously Australians agreed with me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because remember the man who before Anthony Obernezi had
Speaker 2: considered himself to be the greatest Prime minister of all time,
Speaker 2: was not just somebody who turned a major series of
Speaker 2: like I think it was ninety seats in the Parliament
Speaker 2: when it was Tony Abbott. But then of course he
Speaker 2: had to have his turn because he was the rightful leader.
Speaker 2: He of course when on the eight week campaign he
Speaker 2: was produced to just a one seat majority, and then
Speaker 2: of course he was removed by his own party because
Speaker 2: remember the Labor Party wouldn't even help him when it
Speaker 2: came to his versions of solutions for climate change. And
Speaker 2: now the Liberal Party has been torn apart and torn
Speaker 2: Asunday ever since, simply because the rightful leader that is
Speaker 2: Malcolm Turnbull is no longer there. So Malcolm Turnbull was
Speaker 2: back in a happy place on Taxpayer TV, despite the
Speaker 2: fact that I remember him being very heavily involved with
Speaker 2: the managing director and a lot of problems with the ABC.
Speaker 2: But no know, it's still leather Jack, Malcolm leather Jack
Speaker 2: and Malcolm Turnbull, and he was being interviewed tonight about
Speaker 2: the situation. He simply believes that it's time for a
Speaker 2: world leader like himself to stand up and call a
Speaker 2: bully a bully.
Speaker 12: China will take advantage of Trump's chaotic behavior and his
Speaker 12: harassing and bullying seeking to extort allies. All of this
Speaker 12: erratic behavior will be taken advantage of by China, because
Speaker 12: what China will do is they will say they'll be
Speaker 12: the opposite of Trump. Where Trump is erratic, they'll be consistent.
Speaker 12: Where Trump is rude and abusive, as you saw in
Speaker 12: that tweet, they'll be respectful. We cannot continue this bipartisan
Speaker 12: gas lighting that is going on at the moment where
Speaker 12: there are these massive changes in Washington affecting US and
Speaker 12: the whole world. I mean, look at the extraordinary treatment
Speaker 12: of Canada, efforts to basically cripple Canada's economy in order
Speaker 12: to bully them into becoming the fifty first state.
Speaker 2: I don't remember that former Prime minister standing up and
Speaker 2: defending Australia when it was standing up to China, when
Speaker 2: Australia was saying, no, we need some answers about a
Speaker 2: global pandemic that locked many of our cities down for months,
Speaker 2: Melbourne for the longest in the world. Resulted in many
Speaker 2: hundreds of deaths during those lockdowns, thousand cents millions around
Speaker 2: the world. No, No, No, the time to come out,
Speaker 2: the time to be interviewed by the person who thought Russia, Russia,
Speaker 2: Russia about Trump the first time around is that he
Speaker 2: thinks we need to stand up and not be bullied
Speaker 2: by not China that bullied Australia. No, No, the time
Speaker 2: to speak is when America is bullying China. Fed this anyway,
Speaker 2: watch him be loved for the next few days and
Speaker 2: all of the lefty parts of the media who anyway,
Speaker 2: Now youth crime, let's get away from politics for a
Speaker 2: second here. It is a huge problem, has been for
Speaker 2: a long time and is getting worse, particularly in regional Australia.
Speaker 2: I know it every time we go to any of
Speaker 2: the ourtown locations. It's part of the picture. Of course,
Speaker 2: we try to talk about the positive, but it's what
Speaker 2: people will talk about.
Speaker 1: In the streets.
Speaker 2: Remember we went to Woomba to focus on the issues
Speaker 2: that were happening in Queensland. They continue to this day,
Speaker 2: but thankfully change of government, change of attitude. Well in
Speaker 2: New South Wales, particularly around the city of more Rea,
Speaker 2: which I have been to, we've done a show for
Speaker 2: them and there are plenty of mates who were there. Well,
Speaker 2: they've had their problems when it comes to youth crime,
Speaker 2: and I've got to say I feel obviously for victims,
Speaker 2: but I feel for the police as well, because the
Speaker 2: police are turning up, they are arresting these people over
Speaker 2: and over again, but they end up going into a
Speaker 2: court system that seems to not just give the benefit
Speaker 2: of the doubt, but basically a blank check for these
Speaker 2: people to go out and do it again and again.
Speaker 2: Sunday Telegraph had an amazing story this weekend in New
Speaker 2: South Wales, which was that a judge just keeps letting
Speaker 2: one person out over and over again, no matter how
Speaker 2: long the list is, despite the fact that they had
Speaker 2: been accused during their criminal career of home invasions, assaults,
Speaker 2: being held at knife point, having their cars stolen. But
Speaker 2: he gets bail, and bail and bail. He's been bailed
Speaker 2: for the fourth time. The judge says that she had
Speaker 2: a high degree of confidence that he would not reoffend.
Speaker 1: You're kidding me.
Speaker 2: So the police, through their union, the Police Association in
Speaker 2: New South Wales, is pushing back against some of the
Speaker 2: idiocy that he's coming from the bench. The Police Association
Speaker 2: in New South Wales is dumbfounded by the bad decision
Speaker 2: of the News of Old Supreme Court. The police are
Speaker 2: bound by a charter of victim rights and their oath
Speaker 2: of office. However, they seem to be only part of
Speaker 2: the judicial system that even considers the victim. Who is
Speaker 2: looking after the rights of the victim? Says the News
Speaker 2: of US Police Association president Kevin Morten, and he's correct.
Speaker 2: What a ridiculous situation. Now, You and I would know
Speaker 2: that if it was our kid, or if it was
Speaker 2: us when we were kids, who was involved in just
Speaker 2: any one of those things, that you would have been
Speaker 2: either slotted or weekend.
Speaker 1: Detention or home detention.
Speaker 2: But for some reason there is a cadre and I
Speaker 2: don't want to say kids because they do very old crimes,
Speaker 2: but teenagers who for whatever sob story that they serve
Speaker 2: up again and again and again and again and again.
Speaker 2: You would think that when you have committed something like
Speaker 2: that or accused of it once.
Speaker 1: They throw the book at you.
Speaker 2: But we have a system that does not care, some
Speaker 2: parts of the system that do not care about the victims,
Speaker 2: the victims whose lives are changed forever. Instead, the entire
Speaker 2: process does not revolve around the victim of the crime
Speaker 2: and making sure that the perpetrator of the crime is
Speaker 2: held responsible. Instead the whole system is about why did
Speaker 2: you do it? Can we take any points off because
Speaker 2: of who you are, how you live. It's absolutely ridiculous
Speaker 2: and sadly it's a situation that we know we'll continue
Speaker 2: on into the future. To the men and women of
Speaker 2: the police force. But you're the most junior constable all
Speaker 2: the way up the ladder who's doing the work all day,
Speaker 2: every day to lock these bastards up. Thank you, Thank
Speaker 2: you for what you do. And I know it's heartbreaking
Speaker 2: that you've got to do it again and again and
Speaker 2: again and again and over.
Speaker 1: And over and over.
Speaker 2: But strength to your arm, and thank you for what
Speaker 2: you do each and every day. You would have heard
Speaker 2: by now that the moment that brought Sydney to a standstill,
Speaker 2: the idea that a caravan full of explosives was apparently
Speaker 2: on its way towards parts of the Jewish community, with
Speaker 2: a potential blast radius of tens of medias potentially hundreds
Speaker 2: of casualties. Well, I'm not going to say that it's
Speaker 2: a hoax, because the caravan was there and the explosives
Speaker 2: were there, but there wasn't a detonator, and there was
Speaker 2: some details that were inside it, but apparently all of
Speaker 2: it was some sort of a distraction con job from
Speaker 2: organized criminals trying to save their own backside, either from
Speaker 2: crimes they had already committed in this area or from
Speaker 2: something else. Very weird story today, but here's the police
Speaker 2: talking about it today.
Speaker 10: I can reveal that the caravan was never going to
Speaker 10: cause a mass casualty event, but instead was concocted by
Speaker 10: criminals who wanted to cause fear for personal benefit.
Speaker 1: This is weird.
Speaker 2: There's plenty more in this one, but of course watch
Speaker 2: people use this as a way of saying, well, all
Speaker 2: the other stuff that doesn't matter, it doesn't matter now.
Speaker 1: Please.
Speaker 2: As for the investigation and the many people who they
Speaker 2: spoke to today.
Speaker 6: Explain why nobody's been arrestingly charged for the.
Speaker 10: Positive box yet, what I can say to that is
Speaker 10: that forms part of our ongoing investigation, so we still
Speaker 10: have investigative strategies in play, so I won't go into
Speaker 10: any more.
Speaker 2: Detail around that, all right, And just quickly before we
Speaker 2: get into everything here, including that conversation about insurance and
Speaker 2: the day's politics with none other than the great Man
Speaker 2: Canavan in a moment or two's time. Is a little
Speaker 2: more about how delusion all the Democrats are. They can't
Speaker 2: even work out if they can pretend that they are
Speaker 2: starting to get wins against Donald Trump. Let me show
Speaker 2: you something, which is the person who, if a couple
Speaker 2: of seats changed in the lower House of their parliament,
Speaker 2: would become the next Speaker of the House and essentially
Speaker 2: would be able to block any of the attempts to
Speaker 2: change the laws. A bloke called Hakeem Jeffreys. This is
Speaker 2: what he is trying to say to pump up the
Speaker 2: confidence that they've got the Donald on the run.
Speaker 11: We have the Republicans on the run on three core issues.
Speaker 11: They are on the run in terms of the economy.
Speaker 11: In fact, Donald Trump and Republicans are crashing the economy
Speaker 11: in real time.
Speaker 2: Now, that's what they want to tell them while they're
Speaker 2: doing videos for the Democratic Party. Hence a little d
Speaker 2: in the corner there. Well, the person who did the
Speaker 2: response to the Trump speech last week, which was basically
Speaker 2: a state of the Union, she has a slightly different
Speaker 2: view about how awesome everything is for the opposition.
Speaker 13: I don't think it's a secret that Democrats have been
Speaker 13: on their heels since Trump won the election, right, I
Speaker 13: don't think that's something hidden, and I think it's on
Speaker 13: us to be clear about not only leadership and there's
Speaker 13: lots of leaders in both, but also a strategy, which.
Speaker 1: I'm not totally sure they have.
Speaker 2: They still think that the TikTok videos, remember it was
Speaker 2: just misogyny or all of the other bs reasons as
Speaker 2: to why the one they wanted to win definitely lost.
Speaker 2: Quick break back with more Matt Canavan, Linda Scott after
Speaker 2: the break We've got plenty more to talk about as well,
Speaker 2: about insurance. We'll talk a little bit about the ghosts,
Speaker 2: but let's talk about the reality of do these polls
Speaker 2: show things have bottomed out for labor and they start
Speaker 2: to get better. If it's labor on seventy one seats
Speaker 2: and the coalition in the sixties, well then it would
Speaker 2: be labor for me, a minority government. That and a
Speaker 2: whole lot more, including yeah, some of the warnings and
Speaker 2: some of the hype in and around the tropical cyclone.
Speaker 2: Did everyone get everything right? No, But I saw it
Speaker 2: with my own eyes. I think a lot of people
Speaker 2: got most of it right, all right. Joining us right now,
Speaker 2: Matt canavan O car I have a champ on Mondays,
Speaker 2: which is no disrespect to Linda Scott, but I'm sorry
Speaker 2: that's just the way it ends up being. Now, there's
Speaker 2: plenty to talk about, but let's get into the newspole here, Matt.
Speaker 1: I know you don't muck around here.
Speaker 2: I think that a little bubble may have burst year
Speaker 2: about the assumption about how inevitable things were when it
Speaker 2: came to a change of government. Seven seats is not
Speaker 2: good for the stability of the country, but it results
Speaker 2: in a labor minority, not the Liberal Party negotiating for
Speaker 2: minority Liberal and National Party.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 14: Well, look, Paul, I certainly haven't been saying it's an inevitability.
Speaker 14: I know some others out there have seemingly thought this
Speaker 14: has got and dusted, and I think the betting markets
Speaker 14: are way off.
Speaker 6: I mean, this is very, very close.
Speaker 14: The polls have been about this level for almost a
Speaker 14: year and a half now, basically ever since the end
Speaker 14: of the Voice or the wash up from the Voice anyway.
Speaker 6: So look, it's going to be close. It's going to
Speaker 6: be very close.
Speaker 14: It's a challenge for us to put forward an alternative
Speaker 14: set of policies when and if the well, when the
Speaker 14: campaign will we call worth expecting you to be in
Speaker 14: it this week, but it'll be called soon. But I
Speaker 14: do think the Colition has done a great job putting
Speaker 14: yourself in this position. I don't think three years ago
Speaker 14: we felt that it probably would have been as close
Speaker 14: as it is now. I think the government had a
Speaker 14: fair amount of hubris after being elected in a fairly
Speaker 14: thumping victory three years ago. They've been a bit blindsided
Speaker 14: by this and they really do seem lost at the moment,
Speaker 14: not being able to come up with a proper plan
Speaker 14: as a government for the future of this country. So, look,
Speaker 14: it's going on, but it could be anyone's right now.
Speaker 1: Look this is it.
Speaker 2: I mean, we all know what my preferences are, we
Speaker 2: my want is, and we all know how critical aim
Speaker 2: of the government. But I was really clear in the
Speaker 2: past couple of weeks about the fight, fight, fight, the
Speaker 2: messaging and the issues that have now become a bit
Speaker 2: of a distraction. As a labor person, Linda, do you
Speaker 2: feel a sense of confidence that it's not going to
Speaker 2: be a majority but it's not going to be a
Speaker 2: change of government either, if this poll is true.
Speaker 15: I don't feel confident at all. I think there's two
Speaker 15: really important facts because this election will be historic no
Speaker 15: matter what happens. Two important facts. The first one is
Speaker 15: since nineteen fourteen, not a single first term opposition leader
Speaker 15: after a loss of government has gone on to become
Speaker 15: the Prime minister, So if Peter Dutton wins, it'll be
Speaker 15: remarkable first time since nineteen fourteen. Similarly, though, no first
Speaker 15: term prime minister has gone to an election and sought
Speaker 15: re election with a majority as narrow as the current
Speaker 15: Prime Minister has, So no matter what happens, this will
Speaker 15: be historic. And it's why I think it is so close.
Speaker 15: The polling is close. You talk to many a straight
Speaker 15: when I door knock, even in Sydney. You know there
Speaker 15: are people who support long term, wonderful local member Tania
Speaker 15: piv Set, But still people say, I'm you know, I'm undecided,
Speaker 15: I'm not sure. So those conversations that all the campaigners
Speaker 15: are having are changing minds, and I do think it
Speaker 15: will come down to who's got a really strong ground game,
Speaker 15: you know, who's got lots of volunteers, who's got people
Speaker 15: door knocking. These kinds of things in this election, when
Speaker 15: it's this time, are really going to make a difference.
Speaker 2: Well, also, the last prime minister to win an election
Speaker 2: server Tom win another election. How in two thousand and
Speaker 2: four we've had twenty years when leadership or government changes.
Speaker 2: That's a big amount of history that is worth playing out.
Speaker 2: Or let's get to the tariffs and the Trump tariffs,
Speaker 2: and again let's also talk about the ghost as well.
Speaker 2: Matt the former Prime minister basically just trying us to
Speaker 2: be the leader of the resistance from the ABC studio
Speaker 2: or the pink house in Sydney. Okay, fine, fair enough.
Speaker 2: But if we're at this very precarious period of time,
Speaker 2: we're literally this week, the President will or won't decide
Speaker 2: to put a tariff on us. If the Premier of
Speaker 2: Western Australia is calling the Vice president a knob, the
Speaker 2: former prime minister is calling Trump a bully, the ambassador
Speaker 2: to the United States is dressing up stalking the President
Speaker 2: in January at a golf club as a meeting. This
Speaker 2: is not a good picture for the country because real
Speaker 2: people suffer.
Speaker 1: The failure to build a bridge.
Speaker 2: Even after he was elected in November, The idea that
Speaker 2: he wasn't on a plane between November and January to
Speaker 2: build a connection is going to hurt Australia.
Speaker 14: Well, it's not helpful. None of these interventions are particularly helpful.
Speaker 14: I don't know if they'll be definitive. We saw the
Speaker 14: President's response to Malcolm Turble today, but I don't think
Speaker 14: it's going to matter all that much in the wash up.
Speaker 14: But Malcolm just can't help himself, Kenny. I suppose he
Speaker 14: can go away and frame that tweet. I wouldn't mind
Speaker 14: being roasted by Trump. It'd be quite an experience, wouldn't
Speaker 14: it to have a tweet about you by the President.
Speaker 6: But look, let's get back to the real game here.
Speaker 14: I mean, the real focus should be on protecting Australian
Speaker 14: jobs and Australian interests. I don't think what Malcolm is
Speaker 14: suggesting is in any way practical. I don't know, he's
Speaker 14: just saying, got to stand up to him, and what
Speaker 14: does that mean. I mean, the facts on the ground
Speaker 14: here of this case, right before us steal an aluminium,
Speaker 14: is that we got that exemption last time, yes, Malcolm
Speaker 14: was Prime Minister. The problem is that not long after
Speaker 14: we got that exemption, the industry, the Australian industry, broke
Speaker 14: a promise and expanded exports to the US. They promised
Speaker 14: that they would not take advantage of the discount, and
Speaker 14: they didn't follow through with that. I mean, I've suggested
Speaker 14: to colleagues and ministers in the government that, look, why
Speaker 14: don't we put forward a proposal that has more stringent
Speaker 14: requirements this time, But if we are to achieve another
Speaker 14: exec exemption, we could make it law or effectively a
Speaker 14: regulation to stop our exports expanding like it did last time.
Speaker 6: We sort of did it on a.
Speaker 14: Voluntary basis and it didn't work, so maybe we could
Speaker 14: try something more mandatory.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, Linda, again, you know, free speech, free citizens.
Speaker 2: Say whatever he wants, but he knows exactly what he's doing,
Speaker 2: and he knows that again, it's just about trying to
Speaker 2: keep a fraction of the spotlight at all times. But again,
Speaker 2: I mean, you know what it's like to talk to
Speaker 2: people that you disagree with, but the need to talk
Speaker 2: to them because you have to have a bridge. Now, Yes,
Speaker 2: there's been a couple of phone calls. Yes they've done
Speaker 2: their best, they say, but it doesn't seem like they
Speaker 2: have built enough of a bridge to be able to
Speaker 2: get the exemption. And I don't know that that ultimately
Speaker 2: comes down exclusively to Trump's pig gettedness. But certainly unless
Speaker 2: we visibly see the attempt to build a bridge, well
Speaker 2: then we just have to trust them.
Speaker 1: They've been building one. I don't look.
Speaker 15: I think firstly, Trump's got pretty thick skin. I mean,
Speaker 15: his own vice president compared him to Hitler and he
Speaker 15: made him the vice president. Still, so I think, you know,
Speaker 15: no matter what people say about Trump, He's going to
Speaker 15: do his job. I also think it is important to
Speaker 15: say that Australia has been building a bridge, and I
Speaker 15: think we should applaud the efforts of the government and
Speaker 15: the opposition to be fair, I mean, Matt Canavan, I
Speaker 15: think he's putting forward some suggestions this should be a
Speaker 15: bipartisan effort, a national interest effort to get these tariffs
Speaker 15: off Australian steel and aluminum. And I don't want to
Speaker 15: underestimate the efforts of Kevin Mnudd. He's been working round
Speaker 15: the clock to try and talk to the new administration,
Speaker 15: as has Heather rid Out in New York.
Speaker 2: And I don't want it the Department of Fadril Foreign
Speaker 2: Affairs can't even name the date that he had the
Speaker 2: supposed meeting.
Speaker 1: Then what he's doing is greasing. But the President.
Speaker 15: She's over there in New York. She's talking to Trump's neighbors,
Speaker 15: you know, next to Trump Tower. She's working incredibly hard.
Speaker 15: As the former CEO of an employer group here in Australia.
Speaker 15: She's an incredibly influential Australian. This is a team effort
Speaker 15: right across the board, and I think we should acknowledge that.
Speaker 15: And I also I saw Bridget Mackenzie come out this
Speaker 15: week and say, oh, you know, Roger Cook's intervention wasn't
Speaker 15: very helpful. Bridgid, I know you just wanted to say
Speaker 15: the word Noel on television, Like, honestly, that kind of
Speaker 15: intervention is not helpful.
Speaker 6: We should drink.
Speaker 15: We should be working together. You can do your shots
Speaker 15: matter if you want to. I'm not going to that.
Speaker 6: We should agree with that.
Speaker 14: And I've supported Kevin right and I've said we shouldn't
Speaker 14: just sack him, let's give him a go. I hope
Speaker 14: he does really well. I' always offered to help put
Speaker 14: the Olid branch out there. Look, I do think it's
Speaker 14: unfortunately the Prime Minister or the Trade minister, but I
Speaker 14: mean maybe the Prime mister really should have gotten over
Speaker 14: on a plane and over to DC. I mean it's
Speaker 14: been it's been now five or four months since the
Speaker 14: only five months since the US election.
Speaker 6: Actually just over five months exactly since the US election.
Speaker 6: I mean, I mean someone over there. I find that
Speaker 6: very strange. And other leaders have done that must all
Speaker 6: the leaders have done. That's been extra leader.
Speaker 15: One hundred billion dollar US system that's growing to a trillion,
Speaker 15: talking about investments, like we lead, we can't here, but
Speaker 15: can get these tariffs.
Speaker 2: But there are many workers trying to build a bridge.
Speaker 2: The one who can actually get it done is leader
Speaker 2: to the leader. We know that that's the relationship, that that
Speaker 2: is vital, and it just hasn't happened because you know,
Speaker 2: he'll never win. He'll never win, and then he does win,
Speaker 2: and okay, you know I can't possibly go and talk
Speaker 2: to him. Instead of talking to him, I have to
Speaker 2: talk to him after he's sworn in. All right, let's
Speaker 2: talk about cyclones in the past couple of days. I've
Speaker 2: got a lot to say, but I'll try to bite
Speaker 2: ma tongue about this sense that nothing happened and it
Speaker 2: was just overhyped and it was all.
Speaker 1: Like I sat there, I lived it. I was in
Speaker 1: it all? Right? Was it cyclone Tracy?
Speaker 2: No one person died, hundreds of thousands of people lose
Speaker 2: their power, People were being pulled out of the water,
Speaker 2: there was rescues happening, door knocks.
Speaker 1: How is this not enough for people?
Speaker 2: Instead we turn around and say, oh, well the media,
Speaker 2: this is the media that Matt.
Speaker 1: Look again, I am glad. I totally again didn't turn
Speaker 1: agree with you. I think Lardie anyway.
Speaker 6: I think you're right about the impact.
Speaker 14: I suppose the issue was that the media built up
Speaker 14: the cyclone for days and look, who cares when they're
Speaker 14: picking a bit. But the history of this stuff in
Speaker 14: Brisbane and Southeast queens And is that the winds and
Speaker 14: ever that destructive. It is always the following rain. That's
Speaker 14: what happened with Cyclone Wander in nineteen seventy four. No
Speaker 14: one even remembers the name of that cyclone Wander. Everybody
Speaker 14: in Brisbane remembers the nineteen seventy four floods, which is
Speaker 14: what happened just after.
Speaker 6: Cyclone Wander went through, and the depression afterwards.
Speaker 14: So you know that was always the issue was going
Speaker 14: to be the flooding, and that's what we've seen that
Speaker 14: enormous damage and risk of people lives, amazing rescue efforts
Speaker 14: by our emergency services that deserve.
Speaker 6: All the applause. And look, I would just add too,
Speaker 6: Paul I.
Speaker 14: Up here in North Queensland, I suppose a few of
Speaker 14: us are wondering and scratching our heads why people went
Speaker 14: off work for three or four days. I mean, my
Speaker 14: son goes to university down there. They haven't been had
Speaker 14: lectures since Tuesday last week and there was like four
Speaker 14: sunny days in Brisbane and that just seems strange. I mean,
Speaker 14: we go through cyclones all the time up here. We
Speaker 14: went through a Cap five cyclone here ten years ago,
Speaker 14: and your Poune I can't remember people taking almost a
Speaker 14: week off work. It's not a chip against Brisbane. I
Speaker 14: do think we're in this malais post COVID that sort
Speaker 14: of we have these preemptive lockdowns as if that's going
Speaker 14: to fix things.
Speaker 6: How small businesses have been hurt by this because you know.
Speaker 14: They lose business when people don't go out and don't
Speaker 14: work and there's no compensation package for them.
Speaker 1: Look, that's absolutely fair.
Speaker 2: That's a fair point about you know, whether Thursday or Friday.
Speaker 2: But in terms of the overall history that basically this
Speaker 2: is going to be written off as nothing by a
Speaker 2: whole group of people. Not you, Matt, but a whole
Speaker 2: It's just not the case, right, And I, of course
Speaker 2: am not justifying that I went there in the media
Speaker 2: and it was bigger than I And yes there were
Speaker 2: some reporters that go too far. I'm just telling you
Speaker 2: when you can hear the how, you see the brain
Speaker 2: and you see the floods, something happened, right. But Linda,
Speaker 2: I wanted to talk to you about with your sort
Speaker 2: of former experience in and around local government, it seems
Speaker 2: like Queensland councils are more empowered or even better organized
Speaker 2: than other councils around the world. Where the country not
Speaker 2: the world. Where their mayor give briefing that's just as
Speaker 2: detailed as the premiers, but he's able to get down
Speaker 2: to streets and suburbs. The publicly available information is down
Speaker 2: to streets and streets and suburbs. I think the way
Speaker 2: they manage this in Queensland should never be taking the
Speaker 2: granted and should be replicated around the country.
Speaker 15: Yeah, I think it is a very very good system.
Speaker 15: I agree with you, Paul. I do also want to
Speaker 15: just acknowledge that, Matt. I love that only in Australia
Speaker 15: does a far north Queensland to go. Mate, that's not
Speaker 15: a site you should anyway.
Speaker 6: It's well, it's a fly, it's not a see.
Speaker 1: I get it.
Speaker 15: But look, I do think the Queensland mayors are full
Speaker 15: of compliments for Premier Christal fully and I do really
Speaker 15: want to call that out. And I think the level
Speaker 15: of collaboration between the Commnwealth Government, the Prime Minister, the
Speaker 15: Premier and the Council's has actually been magnificent. This poor premier,
Speaker 15: he's on the other side of politics. To me, it's
Speaker 15: his second natural disaster in a very short time. He's
Speaker 15: been talking to them regularly.
Speaker 12: You know.
Speaker 15: The feedback I'm hearing from Queensland mayors is that it's
Speaker 15: gone as well as it possibly could, given how difficult
Speaker 15: a natural disaster it has been, and that mayors have
Speaker 15: been because they know their local area so well, able
Speaker 15: to you know, advise the public, as you say, Paul,
Speaker 15: when's streets are closed, when schools can be open, and
Speaker 15: there's been that really nuanced approach which I think works
Speaker 15: incredibly well. I also want to call out since we
Speaker 15: had the floods in northern New South Wales in twenty
Speaker 15: twenty two, when local members like Janelle seven had to
Speaker 15: dive off her own veranda, literally go around rescuing her
Speaker 15: neighbors and swim out. We've got a national Emergency agency
Speaker 15: that has been a really big deal and that helps
Speaker 15: to coordinate across the different federal agencies to bring support.
Speaker 15: The other thing that has dramatically changed is that we
Speaker 15: long advocated for prevention funding so that councils could get
Speaker 15: some funding retrofitter, surf club, maybe as an evacuation center,
Speaker 15: or build a flood levee to prevent the impact of
Speaker 15: these dangerous weather events from climate change on impacting homes
Speaker 15: and local infrastructure. The prevention money has been critical. That
Speaker 15: had been a recommendation of a Royal Commission in Australia
Speaker 15: twenty thirty years ago and it was implemented by Mari.
Speaker 15: What it means counsels can invest in prevention infrastructure and
Speaker 15: that is going to save lives and it's going to
Speaker 15: save homes and properties and that's a big deal. It's
Speaker 15: a really big deal.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So Matt, I've got sixty seconds, so I want to
Speaker 2: what are the lefty states. Circle back, go back to
Speaker 2: what you were saying about, you know, when you shut
Speaker 2: things down.
Speaker 1: I think there is just this.
Speaker 2: Very fundamental idea here that we've got to deal with,
Speaker 2: which is it is the responsibility of everyone to maintain
Speaker 2: normal life for as long as humanly possible until something
Speaker 2: gets in the way of it.
Speaker 1: But there is a very very.
Speaker 2: Large number of people who love and I'm talking about
Speaker 2: the public who love the lockdown, who demand it goes longer.
Speaker 14: I think that's I love it. I love the lockdown,
Speaker 14: but they do love. Yeah, I love the lockdown. I
Speaker 14: got you know, you can I go to the backyard here.
Speaker 14: It was fantastic. It was a beautiful time. But it's
Speaker 14: not right, you know, and we've got to get out
Speaker 14: of this malaise. Look at our productivity through the floor.
Speaker 14: And this is only a small aspect of this, but
Speaker 14: we effectively shut down our third largest city for three
Speaker 14: or four days last week. Transport wasn't working, People couldn't
Speaker 14: get from to and from work. The situation should be
Speaker 14: if you have a risk to you and your family
Speaker 14: and your property, sure some reasonable time off work to
Speaker 14: deal with that is and should be available. But this
Speaker 14: mass society wide lockdowns. It makes no sense. And as
Speaker 14: I say, the real victims of this are the small
Speaker 14: business cafes, the shops. They get nothing, they get absolutely nothing.
Speaker 14: They've got to pay wages, they've gotta pay rent, and
Speaker 14: they're in the whole thousands of dollars over the past week.
Speaker 6: And I don't think that's right. We need to reflect
Speaker 6: on that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, will look and while they shut down the schools,
Speaker 2: there are so many examples of the people who just
Speaker 2: keep powering on right, like literally, you know, it didn't
Speaker 2: matter where we were. The cleaners, the people who work
Speaker 2: in the hotels, the people who work in the surveys,
Speaker 2: they were there all the time. Even you know a
Speaker 2: few people in the gig economy as well. So you know,
Speaker 2: I see you, and I think they should be rewarded
Speaker 2: as well. But again, the maximum opportunity for everyone to
Speaker 2: stay up. And thank you, Linda, Thank you. Senator.
Speaker 1: All right, quick break back when I want to talk.
Speaker 2: About insurance now again the Prime Minister and politicians, ah,
Speaker 2: you know, we should they must pay up, and of
Speaker 2: course they should pay up. But how do we either
Speaker 2: change the system to force it, or is there a
Speaker 2: limit to the ability to tell the insurance company to
Speaker 2: do it. But talk about that with somebody who knows
Speaker 2: way more about it than me. A few dumb questions,
Speaker 2: but smart answers coming up next. All right, insurance, the politics,
Speaker 2: the politics, the politics are the Prime Minister definitely not
Speaker 2: playing politics today while he was out and about talking
Speaker 2: about insurance and why the companies must pay. But of
Speaker 2: course isn't he in a position to pass a law
Speaker 2: and make them pay.
Speaker 7: The insurance companies need to do the right thing. They
Speaker 7: have a social license and people expect them to make
Speaker 7: payments in a speedy and effective way. We're hoping, of course,
Speaker 7: that they do the right thing. If not, we'll give
Speaker 7: consideration to any measures that are required.
Speaker 2: Right between Orange and Wellington, just checking the map. Here
Speaker 2: in central western New South Wales a wonderful city called Molong,
Speaker 2: a lovelier town, and joining us from there right now is.
Speaker 1: A lawyer who has helped her community.
Speaker 2: She won the New South Wales Regional Woman of the Year,
Speaker 2: and Kirsty Evans is her name. Kirsty, you have been
Speaker 2: right in the heart of this nexus between what the
Speaker 2: companies will do, what the customers demand, and how the
Speaker 2: law works in and around all of this. Put simply,
Speaker 2: can we change laws to four companies to lower their
Speaker 2: threshold that they have to.
Speaker 1: Pay out on?
Speaker 8: We can pass laws to hold insurers to account. There
Speaker 8: are standards that they set themselves and they are not
Speaker 8: meeting their standards. We have seen this time and time again.
Speaker 8: We had an inquiry about it and we have not
Speaker 8: yet seen effective change.
Speaker 1: So give me an idea.
Speaker 2: Is this something that state and federal parliament needs to
Speaker 2: do or this is something that we can start to
Speaker 2: put a bit of pressure on both sides going into
Speaker 2: an election to start to talk about can this be
Speaker 2: done at a federal level?
Speaker 8: Absolutely, it absolutely can, and we need that change to occur.
Speaker 8: We had eighty four recommendations come out of the Parliamentary
Speaker 8: Inquiry and some of them, if they are mandated that
Speaker 8: is made to hold insurance to account, can affect change.
Speaker 8: But as recently as a couple of weeks ago, we
Speaker 8: saw the Insurance Council of Australia come out with you know,
Speaker 8: changes the federal government can make. So it's left hand
Speaker 8: finding the right here they're all around in circle and
Speaker 8: no one is doing anything to move this forward.
Speaker 2: So we're in a situation where obviously the financial interest
Speaker 2: versus the political imperative. I don't know why the regulator,
Speaker 2: that being the federal government wouldn't be trying to choose
Speaker 2: the opportunity to take care of the policyholders, not the
Speaker 2: interests of the industry. What are the excuses as to
Speaker 2: why they won't try to introduce what these inquiries, what yourself,
Speaker 2: what common sense would tell you, should be the rules
Speaker 2: of the road.
Speaker 8: Look, absolutely, we've seen changes where despite giving evidence, despite
Speaker 8: homeowners policy owners showing up in inquiries and saying that
Speaker 8: they've lost everything, and then a finding of misconduct or
Speaker 8: delay by the insurance being spoken about by the Economics Committee,
Speaker 8: we're still not seeing anything enforced. Gives all of these
Speaker 8: homeowners who are now in this situation to think, am
Speaker 8: I going through this struggle again? Am I going to
Speaker 8: be here in two years still fighting tooth and now
Speaker 8: for every dollar that I'm owed under my policy? And frankly,
Speaker 8: it's just not good enough for the Australian public because
Speaker 8: what we're seeing is a secondary trauma when insurers lodge
Speaker 8: their insurance, lodge their claims and then they're ultimately denied.
Speaker 8: You know, just a few weeks ago we had the
Speaker 8: Corporate Governance Committee issue one hundred thousand dollar penalty to
Speaker 8: ensure to an insurer for I think you know upwards
Speaker 8: to thirty complaints about their conducted acclaim, but then they're
Speaker 8: refused to name the insurer. Naming the insurer provides that
Speaker 8: transparency and allows customers to think with their feet and change.
Speaker 8: But at this moment, we're still providing a safe haven
Speaker 8: and loopholes for insurer to escape their responsibilities.
Speaker 2: So for the people that have gone through what they've
Speaker 2: gone through this weekend, part of your response to natural
Speaker 2: disasters has been to do hundreds of hours of pro
Speaker 2: bone I work recognized as I said in that awards
Speaker 2: the U South Wels Regional Woman.
Speaker 1: Of the Year. Do you want more lawyers to do
Speaker 1: what you did?
Speaker 2: Do you want more people to reach out to lawyers
Speaker 2: and ask them to do it? Somebody who's watching us
Speaker 2: right now, who might just feel it's going to be
Speaker 2: a little o them versus fifteen floors of the law
Speaker 2: firms of an insurance company, what should they do?
Speaker 8: That's a really great question, and I have kind of
Speaker 8: an overall thing for everyone from the top end of
Speaker 8: town to the individual. So top end of town these
Speaker 8: are your big corporations. They're going to have their own
Speaker 8: private claims preparation specialists come to these towns and prepare
Speaker 8: their claims on their behalf. They're going to cut out
Speaker 8: the middleman of the insurer, so the insurer's loss adjusters
Speaker 8: and they're insurers. Hydrologists will be put to the side,
Speaker 8: so the top end of town can get their own
Speaker 8: loss of justters in that will fast track their claims. Well,
Speaker 8: what that does is it removes all claims preparation specialists
Speaker 8: and removes them just for the top end of town.
Speaker 8: So what I would like to see is someone from
Speaker 8: these big companies reach out to a family business in
Speaker 8: the community and say, whilst our claims preparation specialist is
Speaker 8: in town, we're going to claim. We're going to prepare
Speaker 8: your claim as well.
Speaker 1: You're I think that that.
Speaker 8: Is a real, real impact that can happen. So I've
Speaker 8: called out a few people for that and I really
Speaker 8: hope that we can have that happen. And then as
Speaker 8: we move to small to medium and sorry.
Speaker 2: No iet, my apologies, I've run out of time, but Kirsty,
Speaker 2: you're coming back and we're talking longer, and we're going
Speaker 2: point by point, because I think that.
Speaker 1: Obviously you've lived it, you've helped.
Speaker 2: People, and I want to make sure that we can
Speaker 2: get some of your ideas. Pressure, pressure, pressure, because while
Speaker 2: everyone else will be distracted what they what they want
Speaker 2: to talk about, they're going to be forced to do
Speaker 2: what we talk about. Thank you, mate, appreciate it. We'll
Speaker 2: see you again tomorrow. That's our show for tonight. We'll
Speaker 2: see you again tomorrow. Plenty more here on Paul Murray Life.
Speaker 1: Tonna