WEBVTT - 'I sued the government over climate – but I'm not done'

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<v Speaker 1>I grew up in a family that was the environmentally conscious,

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<v Speaker 1>living in the Central Highlands near Hillsville, beautiful Mountainnash Forests,

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<v Speaker 1>which air yeah, some of the most carbon dense forests

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<v Speaker 1>in the world. As a year sixer, I didn't really

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<v Speaker 1>know that. I just thought it was a beautiful place

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<v Speaker 1>to live, and in year six experience the Black Saturday bushfires.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, there's simply no way of underestimating the fires threat

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<v Speaker 2>Victoria is facing over the next twenty four hours.

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<v Speaker 3>Or so during Saturday, a gale force north wind will

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<v Speaker 3>combined with extreme heat, and that's not a good combination

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<v Speaker 3>in terms of fire potential. February seventh, two thousand and

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<v Speaker 3>nine was soon to be known as Black Saturday, the

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<v Speaker 3>day the menacing threat turned into a catastrophic event. The

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<v Speaker 3>bushfires that toll through Victoria that day destroyed life, property,

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<v Speaker 3>and changed forever all those who survived the fiercest firestorm

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<v Speaker 3>since my records began. Ketter o'donnald wasn't even get a teenager,

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<v Speaker 3>but she remembers it all too well.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember the sky just being dark and deep red

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<v Speaker 1>really with this smoke, and me and my brother are

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<v Speaker 1>actually running around trying to catch these huge pieces of

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<v Speaker 1>bark that were falling from the sky. They were so

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<v Speaker 1>just smoldering, But it's strange in those moments.

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<v Speaker 4>What you actually end up doing.

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<v Speaker 1>That event would be huge, but it was the coming

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<v Speaker 1>weeks and days afterwards where we found out that our

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<v Speaker 1>friends had lost family members and houses and school didn't

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<v Speaker 1>return for weeks, and you know a lot of my

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<v Speaker 1>friends are still grieving, will forever grieve their family that

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<v Speaker 1>they lost.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, that was supposed to be once.

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<v Speaker 1>In a lifetime event, but it was only not that

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<v Speaker 1>long A few years later that experienced another once in

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<v Speaker 1>a lifetime event.

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<v Speaker 5>It's been labeled the worst five season ever recorded, and

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<v Speaker 5>Apocalypse a nightmare and like looking into the gates of

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<v Speaker 5>Hell from the New South Wales's Victoria border all the

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<v Speaker 5>way to the central coast and nine Blazers reached emergency

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<v Speaker 5>warning level. Today, here's what we're not And.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't even know, feel like we stop counting them now.

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<v Speaker 1>They're just happening all the time. But yeah, it's scary

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<v Speaker 1>to think that that level of trauma and that level

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<v Speaker 1>of impact on a community is just going to be

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<v Speaker 1>so common.

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<v Speaker 3>Catta stopped counting these ones in a lifetime events, but

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<v Speaker 3>they stayed with her. She has dedicated herself to raising

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<v Speaker 3>collective consciousness on the escalating threat of climate change, first

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<v Speaker 3>by suing the federal government and now by trying to

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<v Speaker 3>bring attention to the issue by putting her body on

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<v Speaker 3>the line. From Schwarts Media, I'm Daniel James. This is

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<v Speaker 3>seven AM today climate activist catter O'Donnell and why she

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<v Speaker 3>thinks direct action is our only option. It's Friday, July

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<v Speaker 3>twenty sixth, Katitt. What was your first move in trying

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<v Speaker 3>to have an impact on climate change itself?

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<v Speaker 4>I guess I started because I lived in the forest.

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<v Speaker 1>I realized a pretty direct threat to the forest was

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<v Speaker 1>logging that was going on in my area in the

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<v Speaker 1>Central Highlands.

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<v Speaker 4>It's very big issue there.

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<v Speaker 1>I joined a few forest protection groups like Forest Conservation

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<v Speaker 1>Victoria and King like Friends of the Forest, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>at the same time as doing activism, I was also

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<v Speaker 1>just going about my life. I because at school, and

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<v Speaker 1>then I finished school and I was able to get

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<v Speaker 1>into like a law degree. And one day we had

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<v Speaker 1>a guest lecture in a climate law class. David Bardon

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<v Speaker 1>came in and he was giving a lecture on the

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<v Speaker 1>financial risks of the climate crisis, and I it was

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<v Speaker 1>pretty inspired by him and thought that it was really

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<v Speaker 1>incredible to see someone, you know, working in the league

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<v Speaker 1>world that was really strategically trying to focus on how

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<v Speaker 1>we could respond to the climate. Actually ended up volunteering

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<v Speaker 1>for him for a few months and in that time

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<v Speaker 1>we sort of developed the court case against the government.

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<v Speaker 3>Tell us about the court case, well, was at the

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<v Speaker 3>heart of it.

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<v Speaker 1>The heart of it was a public interest case, It

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<v Speaker 1>was a class action and really all it was was

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<v Speaker 1>really trying to get the government to tell the truth

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<v Speaker 1>about the risks of the climate crisis and say that

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<v Speaker 1>it's going to be a risk to the economy.

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<v Speaker 4>The heart of it was actually government bonds.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a very crucial thing to the way that this country,

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<v Speaker 1>the government operates, but it's quite unknown to a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people.

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<v Speaker 2>Our world first case is underway in the Federal Court

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<v Speaker 2>accusing the Australian government of failing to disclose how climate

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<v Speaker 2>change will impact the value of government bonds. The claim

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<v Speaker 2>was filed yesterday and alleges that Australia's economy and the

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<v Speaker 2>nation's reputation in international financial markets will be significantly affected

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<v Speaker 2>by the adequacy of the government's response to climate change.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess it's just pretty clear that in that time

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<v Speaker 1>the economy would have suffered a lot from the climate

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<v Speaker 1>and we were just saying that the government needed to

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<v Speaker 1>be honest and tell the truth and say that the

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<v Speaker 1>economy was going to be interpacted and it might impact

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<v Speaker 1>the value of people's government bonds, and that they had

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<v Speaker 1>to write a disclosure about that.

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<v Speaker 3>If we surprised with the amount of publicity the case

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<v Speaker 3>generated during the heart of COVID in particular.

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<v Speaker 1>I definitely didn't expect it to have so much interest,

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, the day we fired it was just as crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>For a few days, there was just constant media. An

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<v Speaker 1>Australian law student has taken the government to court over

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<v Speaker 1>a climate change Twenty three year old Kata Or Donald

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<v Speaker 1>says the government is deceiving. I was in the New

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<v Speaker 1>York Times and radio and it was pretty full. And

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<v Speaker 1>then yeah, for the next few months it just got

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<v Speaker 1>a little attention and it made me sort of realize

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<v Speaker 1>that people are really concerned about this. You know, we're

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<v Speaker 1>all realizing how much our lives are going to be impacted.

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<v Speaker 3>So in terms of the court case, you went to

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<v Speaker 3>mediation and you won. How did that feel? What was

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<v Speaker 3>mediation like when you're staring down government lawyers and negotiating

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<v Speaker 3>with them for an outcome? How did that feel? And

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<v Speaker 3>how did it feel to win after that?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, in ways, it felt great. It was there.

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<v Speaker 1>He had been three and a half years since we

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<v Speaker 1>started the court case, so it was a huge relief

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<v Speaker 1>for it to be over and for the outcome to

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<v Speaker 1>be successful. But it was really conflicting because I had

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<v Speaker 1>put so much effort into it, and in the end,

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<v Speaker 1>it felt like the outcome was just some words on

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<v Speaker 1>a bit of paper, not even a physical bit of favor,

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<v Speaker 1>just on the Department of Treasuries website, And it felt

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<v Speaker 1>like the government could just say those words and then

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<v Speaker 1>just leave them sitting on the website and not have

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<v Speaker 1>to do anything about them. And it just contributed to

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<v Speaker 1>that feeling of helplessness that you know, you could go

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<v Speaker 1>to this level of effort, you could sue the government

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<v Speaker 1>to tell the truth, and then the truth is out there,

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<v Speaker 1>but we still see no action or change in behavior.

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<v Speaker 3>After the break kind of puts it all on the line.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not like you're going wanting to break the law

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<v Speaker 1>it's just like you're going wanting to take action, and

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<v Speaker 1>unfortunately it's a bit of a side effect that it's.

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<v Speaker 4>Breaking the law.

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<v Speaker 3>How do you sue? The government won a huge victory

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<v Speaker 3>by any measure, but I left. You're feeling disillusioned. Can

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<v Speaker 3>you walk me through the day you really decided to

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<v Speaker 3>step it up.

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<v Speaker 1>I realized that the government wasn't being active in trying

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<v Speaker 1>to find solutions, they were just continuing with their behavior.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, I looked for groups of people that were

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<v Speaker 1>trying to be active, like lock A Australia, which I

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<v Speaker 1>took this action with. It was a very big day.

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<v Speaker 1>Started off very early. I think I've recover at two thirty.

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<v Speaker 1>It's one of those sleeps. I wasn't really very asleep anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>and then arrived in the dark, set it all up

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<v Speaker 1>to the all the safety measures and yeah, and then

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<v Speaker 1>as the sun was rising, Yeah, I just found myself

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<v Speaker 1>in a produced, surreal position with live stream it as

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<v Speaker 1>a bit of safety for ourselves but also so people

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<v Speaker 1>can see what's going on. Good morning. My name's Katta,

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<v Speaker 1>and this morning I am on a traverse which is

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<v Speaker 1>hanging across this rail line that is blocking coal trains.

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<v Speaker 1>Going to the Newcastle Coldport. Wow, it's.

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<v Speaker 4>Because's very significant to be up here. It's very beautiful morning.

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<v Speaker 1>We'd called the trains and told them that there was

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<v Speaker 1>an abstraction on the track and.

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<v Speaker 4>There's two train lines going in through there, and yeah, the.

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<v Speaker 1>Trains come about every ten minutes and they're almost a

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<v Speaker 1>column a long full of coal. It's just being dug

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<v Speaker 1>up all around this area. And yet going to the

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<v Speaker 1>port of Newcastle, which is the largest coal port in

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<v Speaker 1>the world today. And then the police arrived maybe twenty

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<v Speaker 1>minutes later, you're arcus. Yeah, they just came and told

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<v Speaker 1>me that I was committing offense if I didn't leave,

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<v Speaker 1>and was I going to get down? And then suddenly

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<v Speaker 1>like the police trying to sort out how to get

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<v Speaker 1>you down. So there was a few different ways they

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<v Speaker 1>tried to get me down. They tried to bring in

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<v Speaker 1>a terry picker. Okay, I'm just moving along my line

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<v Speaker 1>so that the picker can't ut me. But I guess

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<v Speaker 1>part of what I was trying to do was stay

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<v Speaker 1>out of their way. So I actually just when they

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<v Speaker 1>brought the terrific, I just moved along the line a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit. And then they in a different sort of

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<v Speaker 1>crane on the train tracks, and they ended up retentioning

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<v Speaker 1>my line so that they could lower me down.

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<v Speaker 4>They're putting a lot more attention on the road.

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<v Speaker 1>I love a bit cautious about and when I'm moving.

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<v Speaker 4>Been quite sad.

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<v Speaker 1>When I got to the ground the police told me

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<v Speaker 1>I was under arrest. I've never had any intervections really

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<v Speaker 1>that much with the police before. I'd never been, never

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<v Speaker 1>been arrested for anything. It's a very strange situation to

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<v Speaker 1>be and here suddenly in the hands of the police, searched,

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<v Speaker 1>asked if I had any weapons, which of course I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't put in the back of the police car. You're

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<v Speaker 1>just not really in control of what happens anymore. And

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<v Speaker 1>then yet driven to a police station, put in a

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<v Speaker 1>little cell. That's awful there, It's awful being confronted with

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<v Speaker 1>the violence of this system and how people are treated

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<v Speaker 1>by the police in ways. I think I was treated

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<v Speaker 1>pretty well, and that sort of made me feel gross

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<v Speaker 1>because I am, you know, white blonde hair.

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<v Speaker 4>But I could see that it could very easily turn.

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<v Speaker 3>So can you tell us a little bit more about

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<v Speaker 3>your case, how that apply it and where is it

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<v Speaker 3>up to now?

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<v Speaker 1>I was charged this to offenses of trespass and obstructing

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<v Speaker 1>a locomotive so a rail and I played guilty to

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<v Speaker 1>both of those offenses because that's what I was doing.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, so the magistrate gave me two convictions and

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<v Speaker 1>a one thousand dollar find for the abstraction and a

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<v Speaker 1>three hundred dollars fine for the trespass. And from what

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<v Speaker 1>I know, it's pretty unusual to get convictions on a

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<v Speaker 1>first time offense, especially an offense like this. So I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to appeal the convictions because that's what stays on

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<v Speaker 1>your record. And I know that an issue a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of the time with taking action like this is that

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<v Speaker 1>you're then stuck with legal.

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<v Speaker 4>Consequences for a long time.

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<v Speaker 1>And some other people have even been given prison sentence

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<v Speaker 1>in the days after me for doing a similar thing.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's really scary to know that it just depends

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<v Speaker 1>where you are in the timeline of events, that things

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<v Speaker 1>can change so quickly. It's awful to see that happen

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<v Speaker 1>to people who you know are just trying to do

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<v Speaker 1>the same.

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<v Speaker 3>Thing as you know a better. The most direct action

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<v Speaker 3>can be incredibly divisive. Even though supportive of climate change

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<v Speaker 3>off and rail against the inconvenience it can involve. Does

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<v Speaker 3>public dedition couple with an often hostile media environment undermine

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<v Speaker 3>the action you want governments and society as a whole

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<v Speaker 3>to take to address climate change.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's really chicky idealistically, just wish it wasn't such

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<v Speaker 1>a divisive issue, because we really all should be united

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<v Speaker 1>on wanting to respond to the climate crisis. But it's

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<v Speaker 1>really hard at the moment because it is people that

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<v Speaker 1>often work in the industry that we're saying is causing

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<v Speaker 1>so much damage. That's fair enough that people get angry,

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<v Speaker 1>and I just think that our responsor that shouldn't be

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<v Speaker 1>that we start doing our work. I think it should

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<v Speaker 1>be that we're supporting workers and the industry to transition

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<v Speaker 1>away from what's currently happening.

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<v Speaker 3>Would you be prepared to do it again?

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<v Speaker 4>I really don't want to.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a big day and the legal consequences just

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<v Speaker 1>add up and the consequences get worse. But yeah, if

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<v Speaker 1>I thought that it was going to be productive and

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<v Speaker 1>make progress for the climate, then I would do it.

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<v Speaker 3>Cutter O'Donnell, thank you for your time.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you, it's great to speak.

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<v Speaker 3>Also in the news, Minister for Indigenous Australians. Linda Bernie

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<v Speaker 3>has announced her retirement from politics at the next election.

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<v Speaker 3>An emotional press conference yesterday, Bernie said it was time

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<v Speaker 3>for her to pass the baton and while the Voice

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<v Speaker 3>referendum didn't turn out as hoped, she thinks history will

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<v Speaker 3>treat it kindly. Bernie became the first Aboriginal woman to

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<v Speaker 3>be elected to the House of Representatives in twenty sixteen,

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<v Speaker 3>and in twenty twenty two became the first Aboriginal woman

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<v Speaker 3>to serve as Minister for Indigenous Australians. Skills and Training.

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<v Speaker 3>Minister Brendan O'Connor also announced he will be resigning at

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<v Speaker 3>the next election as Prime Minister Albanesi e as a

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<v Speaker 3>cabinet reshuffle and Rupert Murdoch has secretly been trying to

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<v Speaker 3>Legal documents seen by The New York Times show that

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<v Speaker 3>Rupert has mounted a legal case to change the terms

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<v Speaker 3>of the family trust, which currently splits his children's inheritance

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<v Speaker 3>of the companies evenly between the siblings. Lochlan Murdoch became

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<v Speaker 3>chair of News Corporation and Fox Corporation last November after

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<v Speaker 3>Rupert announced his retirement. He scene is more ideologically right

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