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Speaker 1: Today's episode, Oscar Piastre is Australia's fifth Formula One Grand

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Speaker 1: Prix winner after leading home a dominant McLaren one two

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Speaker 1: in Hungary that wasn't controversial in any way, and Max

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Speaker 1: for staffman doesn't win again. Instead, he fumes that Red

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Speaker 1: Bull Racing is getting complacent after a new upgrade bails

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Speaker 1: to fire. My name is Michael Lomonato, motorsport rider for

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Speaker 1: Fox Sports Australia. It's great to have your company and

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Speaker 1: the company of my co hosts from speed Cafe. He

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Speaker 1: was up until three am in the simulator, but his

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Speaker 1: performance is showing no ill effects as a result. It's

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Speaker 1: Matt Cash.

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Speaker 2: The question is it wasn't a Formula one simulator. It

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Speaker 2: was goat simulator that I was playing.

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Speaker 1: Very so you were of a farm simulator man.

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Speaker 2: Funny enough, I do have the game. I also have

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Speaker 2: truck driving simulator. I haven't yet dabbled with bus simulator,

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Speaker 2: but I'm very, very tempted.

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Speaker 1: Maybe on a quite a rare quite maybe it's a

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Speaker 1: mid season break project for you to be simulator operator.

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Speaker 2: But I can see the hours just ebbing away in

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Speaker 2: my future. I'm well spent. Don't get me wrong.

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Speaker 1: I mean I think that whenever I'm on a bus,

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Speaker 1: just think about the time ebbing away from me. That's

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Speaker 1: inaccurate simulator in that situation.

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Speaker 2: Did you just see me? We'll get to zamboge if

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Speaker 2: he stood in the corner holding an imaginary strap, pressing

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Speaker 1: He's finally broken. Fust simulators finally broken. And let's move

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Speaker 1: on the matters form to one. Matt, and before we

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Speaker 1: get into a course the big events of the weekend,

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Speaker 1: and we are in the middle of a double header,

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Speaker 1: let's take you through the news you need to know

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Speaker 1: from the last week in five minutes or less, sometimes more,

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Speaker 1: though I shouldn't say all less. Usually it's actually been

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Speaker 1: usually more than five minutes. But Matt, let's start with

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Speaker 1: Kevin Magnison news that broke shortly after our previous podcast.

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Speaker 1: He has at the moment and probably in the future,

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Speaker 1: no seat for twenty twenty five after Half announced it

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Speaker 1: with Esteban Ochon expected to replace him.

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Speaker 2: I'm I love this new style of announcement where yeah,

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Speaker 2: we're not renewing his contract, but the announcement is this

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Speaker 1: So it was the.

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Speaker 2: Announcement of the bleeding obvious in many respects as we

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Speaker 2: all lost Esteban's confirmation there. It was expected over the

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Speaker 2: of the Hungary and Grand Prix and obviously delayed because

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Speaker 2: this way from a PR perspective, you get two bites

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Speaker 2: of the cherry. One Magnuson's leaving get headlines. Two O

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Speaker 2: But yeah, it's an interesting little trend.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and nice amount of respect I suppose for Kevin Magnuson. Two.

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Speaker 1: They were very effusive in their praise of his contribution

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Speaker 2: Too, contract expired.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it is quite a significant difference, of course, and

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Speaker 1: Tray give me Antonelli fresh off winning the Springe in

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Speaker 1: but after winning in Budapest, the Italian said he's not

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Speaker 2: Of course it's going to say that, because that's when

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Speaker 1: Hungarian Grand Prix, and of course Oscar Piastri's first win.

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Speaker 2: it has been both a long time coming and very quick.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, it does feel like that we've been speaking

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Speaker 2: And to see that with Oscar as well, knowing that backstory,

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Speaker 1: lift his game, but it still really remained on paper.

432
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Speaker 1: We've seen Oscar get close and then Norris respond winning

433
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Speaker 1: his first race, beating Lando Norris in a straight fight

434
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Speaker 1: him and he beat him down to the first corner,

435
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Speaker 1: had the pace through the race lasting. Besides, it's now

436
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Speaker 1: a real threat. There's now a real battle for position

437
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Speaker 1: in McLaren. I know Andreas Stella will say there's no

438
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Speaker 1: number one and number two driver. That's true, but there

439
00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:33,359
Speaker 1: is in every team, if not emotionally, then just purely

440
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Speaker 1: by results. Whoever's getting the best results ends up becoming

441
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Speaker 1: a lead driver, whether it's temporary or it ends up

442
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Speaker 1: being a long term thing. That battle's on now that's

443
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Speaker 1: a real thing now that Oscar's off the line as

444
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Speaker 1: we knew he always would be. I'm glad it's sooner

445
00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:48,440
Speaker 1: rather than later for his sake, but I think sooner

446
00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:50,359
Speaker 1: rather than later also sets this up for a long

447
00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:53,240
Speaker 1: slog to the end of the year, because, of course,

448
00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:56,360
Speaker 1: regardless of whether McLaren wins one or no or two

449
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Speaker 1: titles this year, next year, you've got to believe that

450
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Speaker 1: they're going to start. But as a favorite, they're going

451
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Speaker 1: to start on even footing with Red Bull Racing, maybe

452
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Speaker 1: Mercedes and prior who knows, but it'll that we properly

453
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Speaker 1: in with a shot and then positioning in terms of

454
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Speaker 1: which drivers performing better and what's the form book like

455
00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:15,000
Speaker 1: is way more important because one hundred everything will be

456
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Speaker 1: on the line, and that's what makes the second half

457
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Speaker 1: of the season McLaren so interesting, regardless of whether or

458
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Speaker 1: not they actually take the fight to Red Bull Racing.

459
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Speaker 2: Having duel number ones works brilliantly in a Formula One team.

460
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Speaker 2: It works for Williams in nineteen eighty six with Nigel

461
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Speaker 2: Mansellin and Nelson p K. It worked at McLaren with

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Speaker 2: Alain Prost and end Center. It worked in Mercedes with

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Speaker 2: Nico Rosberg and Lewis Hamilton. There's very very few examples

464
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Speaker 2: in Formula One history. We're having two highly rated, highly credentialed,

465
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Speaker 2: equal status drivers works very few.

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Speaker 1: Let's move on now, Matt though, to Red Bull Racing,

467
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Speaker 1: a team that does not have to equal number one drivers. Sorry,

468
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:09,400
Speaker 1: Serjo Perez. An interesting weekend for the Raining Constructors Championship

469
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Speaker 1: winning team. This was the biggest upgrade of the year

470
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Speaker 1: so far for Red Bull racing designed almost specifically for

471
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Speaker 1: Hungary or the conditions of Hungary anyway, low speed performance,

472
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Speaker 1: opening up the set up window, even cooling, even hot weather,

473
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Speaker 1: which happened to be very much the case in Budapest,

474
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Speaker 1: and Maxistappen said it worked, but clearly not enough because

475
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Speaker 1: Red Bull Racing. I don't want to sound so dramatic

476
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Speaker 1: and say it wasn't out the races, because it still

477
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Speaker 1: was the second quickest car, but wasn't really in competition

478
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Speaker 1: for Pole. The margins in the end were false in

479
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Speaker 1: the sense that they looked really close beer because Lando

480
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:42,560
Speaker 1: and Rris didn't get his second lap in, so it

481
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:45,399
Speaker 1: probably would have been bigger, and in the Grand Prix

482
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Speaker 1: wasn't really there and some of that inevitably would it

483
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Speaker 1: be Max of Staffin's frustration to talk on in the

484
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Speaker 1: second But even then the car performance wasn't as we'd

485
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Speaker 1: come to expect, where he's capable of winning from anywhere

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Speaker 1: on the grid and almost anywhere in the race. And

487
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Speaker 1: of course most people will remember this Grand Prix from

488
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Speaker 1: the Red Bull perspective as being the one or one

489
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Speaker 1: of the few I suppose the handful when Max with

490
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Speaker 1: Stafford felt like he was truly having a breakdown in

491
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Speaker 1: the cockpit. He's angry at everything and at every one

492
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Speaker 1: drivers he'd come across on the track, the stewarding, the

493
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Speaker 1: performance of the car, his race engineer, the pitball, developers

494
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Speaker 1: of the car, the design office. Nothing was spared from

495
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Speaker 1: his ire and I think, Matt it gives us a

496
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Speaker 1: little bit of an insight. I mean, we already know

497
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Speaker 1: what Max is like as a racer and that this

498
00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:32,439
Speaker 1: is not wildly out of character for him, but I

499
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Speaker 1: think it does give you an insight into pressure is

500
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Speaker 1: maybe not exactly the right word, but the fact that

501
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Speaker 1: there is more going on behind the scenes, and that

502
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Speaker 1: he does genuinely feel like the season is slipping away

503
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Speaker 1: from him. Maybe not the title per se, but that

504
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Speaker 1: he feels like that era of absolute domination is escaping him.

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Speaker 2: There's multiple things happening at the moment. Firstly, if we

506
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Speaker 2: look at Formula One, over the last decade, we have

507
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Speaker 2: historically had a clear favorite team. There's been very few

508
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Speaker 2: seasons where you've had a proper competition. We had a

509
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Speaker 2: little bit of that in twenty one. Obviously, there's a

510
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:13,560
Speaker 2: little bit of that at the start of twenty two,

511
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Speaker 2: but they're almost the anomaly where there is competition in

512
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Speaker 2: a proper battle, usually it's a team at the front

513
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Speaker 2: that runs clear and is battling it out between themselves.

514
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Speaker 2: So we're in something of an anomaly in recent history,

515
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Speaker 2: so that by itself is already a little bit unusual.

516
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Speaker 2: Red Bull, also within this regulation set, is reaching the

517
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Speaker 2: top of a development curve. It's getting more and more

518
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Speaker 2: marginal gains from what little wind tunnel time it has,

519
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Speaker 2: and it does have reduced wind tunnel time. It's increased

520
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:48,080
Speaker 2: versus what it had because some of the some of

521
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:52,480
Speaker 2: the penalties and things have come off, but also proportionally

522
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 2: McLaren has moved up and other bits and pieces. But

523
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Speaker 2: they're making smaller and smaller gains to the point where

524
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Speaker 2: it's almost a few should see is now more than

525
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:04,359
Speaker 2: gains that they're finding. Others are still finding gains, so

526
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Speaker 2: they're getting closer, which is only serving to remp the

527
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 2: pressure up even further. Then you cast your mind back

528
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Speaker 2: six or so months, and Red Bull was in the

529
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Speaker 2: headlines for a lot of off track reasons that were

530
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Speaker 2: well documented. Don't need to go back over those, but

531
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Speaker 2: at the time Christian Horner himself said it was a distraction.

532
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Speaker 2: We know it was a distraction. There was stuff that

533
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Speaker 2: left through that time for whatever reason, but that's going

534
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Speaker 2: to have had an impact. And I had a conversation

535
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Speaker 2: over the weekend with a few people and it's like,

536
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Speaker 2: maybe this is where it's starting to show, because there's

537
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 2: obviously a lag time, you know, in terms of developing

538
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Speaker 2: upgrade packages and formulating how that's going to be dripped

539
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Speaker 2: out and working it all out. There's a lead time

540
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Speaker 2: in developing, producing whatever. Maybe what we're seeing now is

541
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Speaker 2: the hangover of what we saw at the start of

542
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Speaker 2: the year, which is an interesting thing as well, particularly

543
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Speaker 2: given the developments that we've seen over the last week

544
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Speaker 2: or so with Helmet Marco now having a contract with

545
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Speaker 2: Red Bull Racing Max for Stappen's attitude throughout the Hunger

546
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Speaker 2: and Grand Prix, and it wasn't just the race that

547
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 2: he was surly in that, you know, he was short

548
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Speaker 2: throughout the weekend and I just question him racing in

549
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Speaker 2: what was a neurburgering twenty four hour virtual race. He's

550
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Speaker 2: in the middle of a world championship battle, the biggest

551
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Speaker 2: form of motor spot on the planet, and he's willing

552
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Speaker 2: to distract himself racing until the wee hours. But if

553
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Speaker 2: I'm Christian Horner, I'm having some pretty stern words.

554
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Speaker 1: I don't think you are. If you're Christian Horner, I

555
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Speaker 1: don't think he's capable of having.

556
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Speaker 2: And that's the point that I'm getting to. It's like,

557
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 2: who now runs Red Bull? Where is the power in

558
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 2: that relationship? Is it with the staffman and Marcos such

559
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 2: that they can do that what they want? And is

560
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 2: that the contributing factor to what they're seeing? Now? There's

561
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 2: so many layers to this onion that and there's probably

562
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Speaker 2: elements of truth in every layer that it's almost impossible

563
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Speaker 2: to wonder. It's going to be fascinating to see how

564
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Speaker 2: this exact. We don't have to wait long because the

565
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Speaker 2: Belgian grow ond Prix. I don't think Red Bull go

566
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Speaker 2: there as favorites. They go there as contenders, but I

567
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Speaker 2: think they go there as favorites. I think McLaren are favorites.

568
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Speaker 2: When was the last time you said that? When there

569
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 2: was the last time the ball went into a race weekend?

570
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Speaker 2: Arguably is the underdogs and on the back foot. So

571
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Speaker 2: it's going to be fascinating to see, you know, how

572
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Speaker 2: much fight is left in that team and what we

573
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Speaker 2: saw in Hungary. What does that mean? Is that Max

574
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 2: for stuff fighting? Is that him panicking? Is that him

575
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 2: just sleep deprived? Is it just him having a bad weekend?

576
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Speaker 2: I mean we all have him. Yeah, it's it's gonna

577
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Speaker 2: be fascinating. Really, really is.

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Speaker 1: It's going to be. I mean, I liked I'd always

579
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Speaker 1: try to avoid making sweeting statements. But it's all over obviously,

580
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Speaker 1: But it's no. It's this weekend's Belgian Grand Prix is

581
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Speaker 1: really interesting you talk about the form guide because this

582
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Speaker 1: has been absolute Red Bull territory. Under this set of rules.

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Speaker 1: The team has been embarrassingly fast at this circuit, regardless

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Speaker 1: of the problems it's had. I mean, Max is one

585
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Speaker 1: from all sorts of good places here. If it can't

586
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Speaker 1: win this weekend, that really does mean what we've seen,

587
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Speaker 1: and it's a Claren winning presumably in this scenario, it'd

588
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Speaker 1: be weird if for someone else. I suppose that really

589
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Speaker 1: does mean that the form guide has changed. Because I

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Speaker 1: still expect what I mean, I don't know, it's interesting

591
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Speaker 1: to contemplate who might be the favorite this weekend. I

592
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Speaker 1: still expect Red Bull to be back in much better form.

593
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Speaker 1: But if Max doesn't mean Orlando wins, of Oscar wins

594
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Speaker 1: or someone else wins. It'd be interesting. Then I think

595
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:06,480
Speaker 1: we can put a line under Red Bull turning up

596
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 1: to some tracks and dominating this year, because this is

597
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Speaker 1: the track that it should dominate at. So there's a

598
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 1: lot actually quite on the line for Red Bull Racing

599
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Speaker 1: this weekend, or at least in terms of how we

600
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Speaker 1: understand it. Because then if you look at the Constructors

601
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Speaker 1: Championship twenty seven points, I think McLaren took out of

602
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 1: Red Bull Racing finally actually second in the standings as well,

603
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Speaker 1: so we can stop ignoring Ferrari and just say that

604
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Speaker 1: they're third and not mention them again. That's down to

605
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:30,719
Speaker 1: fifty one points I think off the top of my head,

606
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Speaker 1: or fifty odd points. I mean, that just tells you

607
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Speaker 1: if they do the same thing a couple of races

608
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 1: in a row, they will lead the constructor standings by

609
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 1: the end of the Italian Grand Prix or thereabouts by

610
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Speaker 1: Singapore at a minimum. So it really is on here

611
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 1: and Red Bull needs to respond, I think, or show

612
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Speaker 1: that it can respond. Rather, responding is usually quite a

613
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 1: long timescale kind of thing in Formula one, so like

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00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 1: you said there's a lot of different elements here. There's

615
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 1: a number element I do want to touch on, of course, though,

616
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Speaker 1: and that is so Jo Peri's's performance this weekend. This

617
00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 1: has become almost explicitly now a two race shootout or

618
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 1: window for him to save his seat. He says it's not,

619
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 1: but help Michael Christian Order of heavily allude to the

620
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 1: fact that it is. Even Daniel Ricardo alludes to the

621
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 1: fact that it is now so certainly On started the

622
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 1: weekend with what I feel like, in any other context,

623
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 1: would be a backhanded compliment best Friday since China, as

624
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 1: Christian Order described it. Then crashed out of Q one

625
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 1: in a way that even I felt uneasy watching and

626
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 1: felt bad watching it, like you're watching a career die

627
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 1: on the line with it on the vine. Then had

628
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 1: quite a reasonably good Sunday. In fact, Christian Orner went

629
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Speaker 1: back to China as the example best Sunday since China.

630
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 1: Scored points, finished seventh, got ahead of George Russel after

631
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 1: falling behind him early in the race. Not enough points

632
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 1: to prevent McLaren taking a big bite out of the

633
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 1: Constructors Championship lead, but a better race, but Matt. I

634
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 1: still feel like, as I think we spoke about last week,

635
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 1: that can't be enough, can it. You know, a good

636
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 1: enough race to seventh after crashing out in Q one

637
00:32:58,040 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 1: and still a lot of points taken out of Constructors

638
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 1: Champion Chip, I don't know if it cuts it.

639
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 2: And I'm with you, Yes he scored points, but what

640
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 2: he's got six points? Okay, So that means from the

641
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 2: past four races. In fact, from the past six races,

642
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 2: he scored seventeen points, and that's that's a poor return

643
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:26,240
Speaker 2: and investment from any driver. You know, you look at

644
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 2: you look at his peers in in that sort of

645
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 2: top three, top four bracket. Maximustappen had absolute shocker, one

646
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 2: of his worst race weekends, probably his worst race that

647
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 2: I can remember in terms of just you know, pure driving.

648
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 2: You know, I didn't think Monaco was that bad. He

649
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 2: just wasn't wasn't there. But in in Hungary he made

650
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 2: mistakes and he still he was still scored ten points.

651
00:33:54,560 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 2: Louis Hamilton scored fifteen, Charleclair scored scored twelve, Carlos scored eight.

652
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 2: Sergio was still the lowest scoring of that scoring individual

653
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 2: of that group. The team lost ground, and it's because

654
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 2: he's not pulling his weight. When Max Verstappen doesn't have

655
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 2: a good weekend, that's where you need Sergio to be

656
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 2: having a fantastic weekend. That's what he's there for. He's

657
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:26,280
Speaker 2: not there to push Max and you know, finished second

658
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:31,280
Speaker 2: by a second. He's there for when Max can't finish

659
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 2: first or second or third, to plug that gap. It's

660
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:39,239
Speaker 2: kind of that simple, and he's still not doing it.

661
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 2: So yeah, I think he goes into Belgium staring down

662
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 2: the barrel of well, this could be my last Grand Prix.

663
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 2: It is that serious. And you know, I've had messages

664
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 2: from a few people over the last few weeks talking

665
00:34:53,440 --> 00:35:00,360
Speaker 2: about this, some connected people as well, and they basically

666
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:03,760
Speaker 2: said as much. They're not willing to tell me categorically

667
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 2: that my question obviously relates to to Daniel's involvement in

668
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:10,479
Speaker 2: a potential promotion to red Ball. They cannot and will

669
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 2: not categorically rule it out, and wouldn't the team absolutely

670
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 2: want to do that, because all it does is introduce uncertainty.

671
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:25,279
Speaker 2: If if you can absolutely categorically work that out, you

672
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,399
Speaker 2: do it. You don't. We don't comment on speculation or whatever.

673
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:31,880
Speaker 2: We'll know more later, is what we're what they're saying,

674
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:35,719
Speaker 2: and that's a hell of a thing to say. That

675
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 2: showed zero faith in Sergio Perez. And I don't care

676
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:43,319
Speaker 2: what Christian Horner said after the Hungary and Grand Prix.

677
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 2: It wasn't good enough. Okay, starting p nowhere on the

678
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:49,319
Speaker 2: group P sixteen shouldn't have been there. Have that same

679
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 2: performance starting P five you're probably on the podium the

680
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 2: way that race panned out, and so it was a

681
00:35:55,280 --> 00:36:00,400
Speaker 2: missed opportunity, massive, massive missed opportunity, and for a driver

682
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 2: in a car of that level, it's not good enough.

683
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:07,880
Speaker 2: A change has to be made Otherwise, to your previous

684
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:10,800
Speaker 2: point about McLaren and its challenge for the Constructors Championship,

685
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:13,839
Speaker 2: you know, a couple of races back, we were having

686
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,399
Speaker 2: a similar conversation about by the end of the year

687
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 2: McLaren might just get there, might just be a challenger.

688
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 2: We're now talking about Singapore. They could be leading the

689
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 2: Constructors Championship. I mean that's a hell of a turnaround

690
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 2: in the space of two or three races.

691
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it was actually last week we were

692
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 1: talking about the end of that, right.

693
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:38,959
Speaker 2: So you know they're fifty one points down, you get

694
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 2: forty three for finishing first and second hypothetically by the

695
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 2: Italian Grand Prix. Mathematically it's highly unlikely, of course, but

696
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 2: mathematically McLaren could be leading the Constructors Championship and on

697
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 2: current form you'd have to say that it's almost inevitability.

698
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 2: Because Red Bull is fighting with one hand behind his back.

699
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:00,839
Speaker 2: It has to do something about the surger's problem. It's

700
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 2: that simple.

701
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:05,320
Speaker 1: It seems to me now after the Hungarian Grand Prix

702
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 1: that Daniel Ricardo would be at the top of the

703
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:09,319
Speaker 1: list to replace Sergio Perez. And there's been a lot

704
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:11,880
Speaker 1: of talk about Liam Lawson. Looks good every time the

705
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:14,920
Speaker 1: camera crosses to him, look serious and focused. I think

706
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 1: you'll be in an RB before too long, a minimum,

707
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 1: by the start of next year, because that makes much

708
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 1: more sense when you've got Daniel Riccardo's experience, as we've

709
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 1: talked about in previous episodes, but also we talk about

710
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:27,279
Speaker 1: him needing a certain number of good results. This was

711
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:30,759
Speaker 1: a good weekend. The result didn't look that impressive. It

712
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 1: was twelfth, a few places behind Yuki Sinoda, but they

713
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:35,720
Speaker 1: had qualified Yuki race players actually really quite good. Should

714
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:38,799
Speaker 1: have finished well ahead of Sonoda, had RB not put

715
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 1: him on a really quite baffling strategy pitting him with

716
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:44,280
Speaker 1: the soft tire starters when he was on the mediums.

717
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:47,319
Speaker 1: Yuki started on the same mediums and finished the race

718
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 1: in a one stop strategy, finished ninth relatively comfortably. Riccardo

719
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 1: would have done the same. Some stats'm putting together for

720
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 1: a Fox Sports article shows you that he should have

721
00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 1: been had he'd run the same strategy as Yuki. Sonoda

722
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 1: got those only one seconds back from the pit stop.

723
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 1: Looking at his improved pace compared to Sonoda in that

724
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 1: second stint, would have finished perhaps as much as thirty

725
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:09,920
Speaker 1: seconds up the road of Sonoda because he had that

726
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 1: much pace in hand in that second stint. He was

727
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:14,319
Speaker 1: in good form this weekend, and you could tell after

728
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 1: the race. It's probably the most worked up in a

729
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 1: while we've seen Daniel really frustrated, really furious. This is

730
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:24,239
Speaker 1: after he'd said at the start of the weekend, you know,

731
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:26,400
Speaker 1: and this was his admission that these could be the

732
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:29,439
Speaker 1: two most important race of his career. I still think

733
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:32,799
Speaker 1: despite the results, the showing was good. I think if

734
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 1: the aim was to prove that he's that upturn inform

735
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 1: we've talked about in the last month is continuing. I

736
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:40,399
Speaker 1: think he still managed that despite what looks like quite

737
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:41,840
Speaker 1: a poor head round the headline result.

738
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is often the case with Daniel really anyone

739
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:49,759
Speaker 2: outside of the headline grabbing teams. You've got to dig

740
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 2: below just the surface level result because fighting in the

741
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:59,279
Speaker 2: midfield is often a very nuanced, nuanced thing. And you're right.

742
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:02,320
Speaker 2: It all came down to why the hell did Daniel

743
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 2: pit on lap five or whatever it was when he

744
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:07,400
Speaker 2: could probably have gone a lot longer, as evidenced by

745
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 2: Yuki Snoda. So I hadn't delved into it quite as

746
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 2: deeply as you had, but it was just surface level.

747
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 2: You could see that right there. It was clear that

748
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 2: was a strategic screw up that the team has now admitted.

749
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:24,360
Speaker 2: As much Daniel's knew from within the as he was

750
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 2: coming in ped entry. He was questioning it, he said

751
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 2: post trace, if he can see it from from the cockpit,

752
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:31,759
Speaker 2: it's a little bit like McLaren and silver Soon, I

753
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:35,319
Speaker 2: guess why couldn't make the pit wallh it ahead of time?

754
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 2: It's really in excuse. It's interesting there's a lot of

755
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 2: strategic errors happening at the moment. But you're right in

756
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:45,759
Speaker 2: that it was a good weekend for Daniel. It it

757
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 2: started well enough. He delivered in qualifying. Yes, he was

758
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 2: ninth and Yuki Soda was only one spile behind, But

759
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:58,320
Speaker 2: the difference was that Daniel didn't crash. Yuki crashed the car.

760
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 2: And if you're trying to demonstrate to a prospective employer,

761
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 2: even if it's just for a promotion, you want to

762
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 2: demonstrate that you can do the job, and you can

763
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:13,240
Speaker 2: do it without any fanfare. You can do it without drumas,

764
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 2: you can do it without extending yourself. Daniel has the

765
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 2: track record, but he needs to revisit that a little bit.

766
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 2: I think he did that in a hungaring and it

767
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 2: sort of follows on this trends really from sort of

768
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:34,400
Speaker 2: spain Ish where he started to deliver. He started to

769
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:37,920
Speaker 2: get that confidence back and the punchiness of his comments

770
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:40,840
Speaker 2: really speaks to the fact that he believes again.

771
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:46,360
Speaker 1: I think that's very interesting. I think that that scenario

772
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 1: was quite the pressure situation over the course of the

773
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 1: weekend was really interesting to watch play out among all

774
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:54,759
Speaker 1: the different drivers. And I think in the next one

775
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:56,440
Speaker 1: we will inevitably in the next couple of weeks know

776
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 1: how this is going to pan out. Rib Racing has

777
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:01,279
Speaker 1: said he will take a decision after the Belgian Grand Prix, Matt,

778
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:04,399
Speaker 1: which is this weekend. Before we wrap this podcast up,

779
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 1: it is time for our ratings for the week. Would

780
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 1: you like to start us off? This is now the

781
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:10,880
Speaker 1: my favorite part of the podcast.

782
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 2: I love it. I feel that we probably need to

783
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 2: explain what we're doing here. It's people coming cold. Basically,

784
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 2: think of it as an alternative World Championship. Everyone's a contender. Michael,

785
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:25,840
Speaker 2: you're in You're in contention for the World Championship. It

786
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:28,360
Speaker 2: doesn't matter who you are, what you are. We just

787
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 2: arbitrarily give or take points away based on how we feel.

788
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:36,239
Speaker 2: It's kind of that's that's the pistic end. That's that's

789
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 2: as intelligent as it gets. Some of it's funny, some

790
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:45,360
Speaker 2: of it's just stupid, and all of it meaningless. So

791
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 2: with that in mind, I'm going to start things off

792
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 2: and my first lot of points goes to Oscar Piastri okay,

793
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 2: and I'm going to give them a healthy five because

794
00:41:57,040 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 2: it's a fifth Australian to win a World Championship Grand Prix,

795
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 2: and I say World Championship Grand Prix because there's been

796
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 2: plenty of non championship Groands Prix and many that won't

797
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 2: even Formula One that Australians won. But in the World

798
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 2: Championship and it's not Formula One, but in the World Championship,

799
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 2: he's the fifth. I'll get off that high horse one day,

800
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:15,719
Speaker 2: but today it's not that day.

801
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 1: Yeah. I like a good technical call. It's very good.

802
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 1: Funnily enough, my first five points also goes to Oscar Piastre.

803
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 1: The number five was less in detail thought out than

804
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:29,840
Speaker 1: your five was. I just thought it was a satisfying

805
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:33,840
Speaker 1: but I give it to him for perhaps controversial reasons, Matt,

806
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 1: and I give it to him for not doing the

807
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 1: shoey after he won, because it's funny. I get it.

808
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:43,840
Speaker 1: Drinking from a shoe, it's not it's not a usual

809
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 1: drinking vessel. I get it. But we don't all have

810
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 1: to do it whenever anything good or interesting and notable happens.

811
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 1: And I'm to me, yes, I'm at the end of

812
00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:58,839
Speaker 1: every podcast, you're cracking.

813
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 2: Out the shoe drink shoes kicking around, just only one

814
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:03,240
Speaker 2: shoe left in them though.

815
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 1: So I was quite pleased to see that he's going

816
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 1: to find his own way to celebrate, even though I

817
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 1: know you did the shoey in Silverston for.

818
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:12,360
Speaker 2: Some reason, but it was my point in Silverston, wasn't it.

819
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 1: I don't follow the shoey trainers, so I'm perfectly happy

820
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 1: with these five points.

821
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 2: Well, it was a good day for Oscar Piastre. He

822
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 2: he won a little race in Hungary and scored ten

823
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:28,719
Speaker 2: big points in our alternative championship, and I know which

824
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 2: one means more to him.

825
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:34,360
Speaker 1: We didn't celebrate that hard after Hungry, so it's possibly

826
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 1: our one.

827
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:37,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, did see all mate give him the cash and

828
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:41,319
Speaker 2: say you're going to win this week? And yep, that

829
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:44,440
Speaker 2: was that was pretty good. All right? My second one

830
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 2: of points. Then what we give we must take us away.

831
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:52,319
Speaker 2: Given that Oscar has been given ten for winning, I'm

832
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:55,959
Speaker 2: going to take eighty one away from from Lando Norris.

833
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've just.

834
00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:58,919
Speaker 2: Taken the number at random. Eighty one. Don't know where

835
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:04,719
Speaker 2: that's come from, but I thought that was that was

836
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 2: just poor form. And you know what, I'm going to

837
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 2: take eighty one away from McLaren as well. Just oh wow,

838
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:13,239
Speaker 2: it's not a slash McClaren, because I think they both

839
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:13,880
Speaker 2: made a Millise.

840
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 1: Okay, that's interesting to see how the statiticians de code

841
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 1: that kind of entry in the championship standings. At least

842
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:23,719
Speaker 1: it's not half points. I'm happy with that. My I'm

843
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:27,879
Speaker 1: taking going back to the negatives taking fifty points off RB,

844
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 1: because that's roughly the disparity between where Daniel Riccardo finished

845
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 1: and where he should have finished fifty seconds up the road.

846
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 1: It would have been ninth place, would have scored two points,

847
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:40,440
Speaker 1: we wouldn't have been talking about how disappointed he was afterwards.

848
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:43,760
Speaker 1: It was just as Riccardo said in his two hundred

849
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 1: and fifty odd races, it's the worst strategy he's ever

850
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:47,919
Speaker 1: had and just poor form all round.

851
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:50,359
Speaker 2: Well, I can tell you it's two hundred and fifty

852
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:54,799
Speaker 2: two race starts, two hundred and fifty three pre hundred

853
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 2: and fifty two starts. So I know that because that's

854
00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:58,360
Speaker 2: how many points I've taken from RB this weekend.

855
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:02,759
Speaker 1: Oh it's gonna be did come back from RB?

856
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, three hundred and two points gone like that for

857
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 2: For RB, they're really going to have to a little

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Speaker 2: bit like the Bridge Grand Pre organizers. They're going they're

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Speaker 2: going to have to lift from from monears, but.

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Speaker 1: It's been a rough week for Abbi. Way fewer points

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Speaker 1: in our championship than obviously in the actual one and

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Speaker 1: Formida one. But my final one is Max for Stafford.

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Speaker 1: He gets minus one point, not for competing in the

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Speaker 1: twenty four hours of Noboobering or whatever it was. Per se.

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Speaker 1: I don't mind that he was up till three am.

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Speaker 1: I sure he slept before and afterwards. He knows what

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Speaker 1: he's doing. He's done it before. In fact, I think

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Speaker 1: he did it before winning the Midi Romania Grand Prix.

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Speaker 1: One point off for appearing not to have a life

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Speaker 1: like entering so many overnight Well, I have to be overnight.

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Speaker 1: I guess they're twenty four hour races, SIM races when

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Speaker 1: your day job is racing a Formula one car. I mean,

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Speaker 1: someone's got to take him out to show them a

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Speaker 1: good time, because I just find that a little bit sad.

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Speaker 2: Isn't it that most Formula one drivers use the SIM

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Speaker 2: to improve their real racing. Max uses real racing to

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Speaker 2: improve previously.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yes, I suppose that's probably true.

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Speaker 2: Actually that's from everything I've seen. I don't think Max

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Speaker 2: needs too much encouragement to have a good time, but.

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Speaker 1: No, that's true actually, so maybe maybe later down the

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Speaker 1: line will give him some points showing that he's having

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Speaker 1: a good time. But for me, I just thought, just

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Speaker 1: take the time off, go and do something. Can't do

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Speaker 1: have a meal, go out, I don't know, it's pets

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Speaker 1: a great city anyway. There are rankings for this week.

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Speaker 1: pit Talk after the Hungarian Grand Prix. Next week will

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Speaker 1: before the August break, and what driver market moves may

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Speaker 1: or may not be eventuating at Red Bull Racing before then.

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