1 00:00:04,120 --> 00:00:07,600 Speaker 1: Welcome back to Drafted, where we talk all things super 2 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:11,120 Speaker 1: Coach draft on the Official super Coach Podcast Speed. We're 3 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:14,840 Speaker 1: talking defender ranks today and to help do so, we 4 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:17,959 Speaker 1: have Left Dog back with us yet again. How are 5 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:18,560 Speaker 1: you going, Left Dog? 6 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:21,560 Speaker 2: I'm well mate, Always a pleasure and it's a very 7 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:22,560 Speaker 2: special guest today. 8 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:26,640 Speaker 1: Absolutely yeah. We've got rid of patch for this one 9 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 1: to bring in the man, the myth, the legend of 10 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 1: the draft community, a man who's completely sold out. And 11 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:37,240 Speaker 1: come on the Official super Coach Podcast Stevie Phizz from 12 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:39,160 Speaker 1: the Draft Doctors. Welcome Stevie. 13 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, no, good a Darsie. Thanks thanks for having me. 14 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 3: The check cleared so it's all good, mate, it's all good. 15 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:48,920 Speaker 1: Thanks very much for jumping on, Stevie. We know you 16 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:53,479 Speaker 1: love your super coach, so gonna go through Lecdog's ranks 17 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:56,280 Speaker 1: on this list on this podcast today. Sorry, but you 18 00:00:56,400 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 1: have let us know in the private group chat just 19 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 1: to warn you, LEF Dog before before we do jump 20 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 1: into your ranks. Steve has said that he's aiming to 21 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 1: tear them to shreds. That is a direct quote, tear 22 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:10,919 Speaker 1: them to shred Stevie. What's this all about? 23 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:14,840 Speaker 3: Well, he's a Canton man. You gotta they usually have 24 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:17,479 Speaker 3: big preseasons, so you've got to just take them down 25 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 3: a peg, just humble them a fraction. So now, Alex 26 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 3: a good Man, I'm sure he's all over it. 27 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, And honestly, I've got another article coming out to 28 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:29,840 Speaker 2: walk close to the season where I re rank them, 29 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 2: so I'll probably just take all of seeds advice and 30 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:35,880 Speaker 2: update them based on that. So it's basically free content 31 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:36,120 Speaker 2: for me. 32 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 3: It's win win perfect. 33 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 1: Well, draft is actually open now, so you can go 34 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:44,120 Speaker 1: make your league get ready for draft day. Obviously, you 35 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:46,399 Speaker 1: don't necessarily want to be drafting now, it's a pretty 36 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:48,880 Speaker 1: distance off. Still, we want to see some practice matches, 37 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 1: We want to see some some certain games and performances 38 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 1: and roles from our players before drafting. So but you 39 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 1: can jump in now and set up those legs. And 40 00:01:57,600 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 1: we're actually doing right now a bit of a mock 41 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 1: draft to get you ready for that season. We'll have Lecdog. 42 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 1: I think we'll be doing some content on that as 43 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:08,239 Speaker 1: well coming up. But I just wanted to touch base 44 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 1: with you guys. We're in about the end of the 45 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 1: just looking now. Actually I think it's your pick Steve. Now, 46 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 1: but we're at the end of the fourth round, heading 47 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 1: into the fifth Lecdog. Have you noticed anything yet? It's 48 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:21,240 Speaker 1: still pretty early in the draft. It's a twelve team 49 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:24,079 Speaker 1: league for those wondering. We've got a bunch of content 50 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 1: creators jumping on board to help us out with this one. 51 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:28,239 Speaker 1: But anything you've noticed off the top in the early 52 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:30,000 Speaker 1: rounds leftoc h. 53 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 2: No, nothing really going strange. He probably more rucks gone 54 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 2: at this stage than I thought there would. So we 55 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 2: had Cherry and Gorne go early in the first round, 56 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 2: and then there's been You kicked it off actually in 57 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 2: round two, a bit of a run with Tom Deconnie 58 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:46,320 Speaker 2: in round two. 59 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 1: It was a bit early for the big fella. But look, 60 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 1: I'm high on TDK. Wanted to throw. Yeah, I wanted 61 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 1: to get the ruck run going nice and early. But Steve, 62 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 1: have you got any thoughts on just the early part 63 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 1: of the mock draft at the moment, As I said, 64 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 1: it's very early. It's only heading into the fifth at 65 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:02,960 Speaker 1: the moment. 66 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:08,680 Speaker 3: All right, Yeah, i'd probably echo Lex thoughts. One thing 67 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 3: you see as a rule in the expert quote unquote 68 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 3: drafts is people will sit back on the rucks aside 69 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 3: from the early guys, so probably to see that big 70 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 3: run happen when there's maybe a few question marks. I 71 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 3: know I took Gorn myself, but beyond that, may be 72 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 3: a little bit surprised seeing how deep at bats and 73 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 3: maybe some questions being asked if guys like Darcy and Marshall. 74 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, that's a nice little teaser for the upcoming. 75 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 1: You know, I don't know what sort of content we're 76 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 1: going to do. Might be an article, might be a 77 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 1: little bit of a pod. We'll wait and see for that, 78 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 1: but keep an eye out for that mock draft coming 79 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 1: your way soon. Let's get into our defender ranks. The 80 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:53,480 Speaker 1: way the show has been working, we've been going through 81 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 1: Lectdog's rankings and then talking about them as we go. 82 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 1: We are going to go through the top thirty defender 83 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 1: rankings for Lectdog and we'll kick it off with your 84 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 1: ranks one to ten in the Defenders. 85 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, we'll run through them first and then we 86 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 2: can dive into a bit of detail. So in tier one, 87 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:13,160 Speaker 2: for me, I've got three guys, Harry Sheezel, Jackson Claire, 88 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:18,040 Speaker 2: and Luke Ryan. Tier two is Jordan Clark and Lockie Whitfield. 89 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 2: That's your top five, and then you're remaining five. I've 90 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 2: got Sam Flanders sitting in tier three on his own, 91 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 2: and we'll talk about him. I'm sure Tier four is 92 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 2: Wanganeen Malerra, Max Holmes, Nick Martin, and Dan Houston. And 93 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:35,719 Speaker 2: if I'm not mistaken, that's ten. 94 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 4: That's ten. There you go, that's your top ten. 95 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:41,840 Speaker 1: Correct. Well, I mean I've got a few players I 96 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:43,719 Speaker 1: want to talk about, but to hand it over to 97 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 1: the man who wants to tear him to shreds, I'd 98 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:49,040 Speaker 1: better get it over to Stevie Fizz and see if 99 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 1: you've got any specific players you want to talk about 100 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 1: in this top ten. 101 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:57,920 Speaker 3: It's probably Luke Ryan is the player who I'm down 102 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:02,279 Speaker 3: on this season as opposed probably if you're basing your 103 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 3: ranks sort of around last year's averages, sort of can't 104 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:11,599 Speaker 3: see that first half especially repeat for Ryan. I think 105 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 3: he's disposals will come down. He's still obviously a great 106 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 3: interceptor and still worthy of a top ten pick. I 107 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:21,279 Speaker 3: think I have him at D six, so I was 108 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 3: still still like him. But for me, he's actually just 109 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 3: not that top tier defender. I'm not projecting him that way. 110 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 3: Heading into this season, so he's probably a standout for 111 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:33,720 Speaker 3: me that I might not be as hot on. 112 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's an interesting one. I mean, just to put 113 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:39,240 Speaker 1: some numbers to it. I know people have talked about it. 114 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 1: He talked about the hot start, a bit of a 115 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 1: slow finish, one hundred and thirty average from rounds one 116 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:46,680 Speaker 1: to twelve and then one hundred and two super coach 117 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 1: average from rounds thirteen to twenty four. But leckdog, Yeah, 118 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 1: just talk us through this third ranking for lu Grin. 119 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:56,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, I know it was a season of two halves 120 00:05:56,960 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 2: last year. I do think there will be a regression there. 121 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:03,039 Speaker 2: I think we're probably going to expect something closer to 122 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 2: his twenty twenty three numbers, which was about one hundred 123 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:11,039 Speaker 2: and ten from memory, which is still pretty decent for 124 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 2: super Coach. Yeah, there'll be a bit of a drop off, 125 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 2: but I also know that mate fantasy Freco has been 126 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 2: tweeting about him, and that is always a good signed preseason. 127 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:23,240 Speaker 2: So he talked about averaging one hundred and twenty six 128 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:25,800 Speaker 2: in the games where they played quick and one hundred and 129 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:27,800 Speaker 2: twenty one in the games where they played slow, And 130 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 2: that's a sample size of ten games. It's not massive, 131 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 2: but I just think I think he's still going to 132 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 2: get one hundred and ten plus it might not be 133 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:37,280 Speaker 2: one hundred and sixteen, and I think he's a relatively 134 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 2: safe option. Whereas just talking about the draft we're doing today, 135 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:45,919 Speaker 2: I took him with my first or second pick. Maybe 136 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:48,080 Speaker 2: I was actually tempted to take his teammate who I've 137 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 2: got just below him at fourth, Jordan Clark, ahead of him, 138 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 2: because I'm pretty high on Jordan Clark, but there was 139 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:57,359 Speaker 2: nothing to back that up so as in choosing Ryan 140 00:06:57,400 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 2: over Clark. So for me, Ryan's still a top tier dude, Sinclair, 141 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 2: I think it's going to be awesome. I know you're 142 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 2: not on him dos and I know that there's some 143 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 2: injury concerns over him since I made these rankings, but 144 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 2: I don't think Heaps is going to Heaps. He's going 145 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 2: to split Sheeesel Sinclair and Ryan come the end of 146 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:14,400 Speaker 2: the season. 147 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not as hot on him, but I still think, 148 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 1: you know, again, very worthy of a top ten pick, Sinclair. 149 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 1: I'm not off that at all, like the way he 150 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 1: finished last season, and I mean the more injuries that 151 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 1: mount as well at Saint Kilda, the more high I'm 152 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 1: getting on him because he's probably going to have plenty 153 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:34,240 Speaker 1: of the Sharon back there as well or wherever he plays. 154 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 1: One player I do want to touch on, Steve, if 155 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 1: is your thoughts on Sam Flanders at six in the 156 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 1: rankings after his massive year last year averaging close to 157 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty Super Coach points. 158 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, I've got him at four at the minute and 159 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 3: I'm not you know, the back thing. He probably needs 160 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 3: an adjustment. He probably needs an adjustment to come down 161 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 3: a few spots, So I don't know. I'm where Leck 162 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:58,560 Speaker 3: has him. I love the player obviously, but yeah, he 163 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 3: would be okay, all right, you should be fine playing 164 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 3: through the midfield for Gold Coast. 165 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 2: I did actually have him at six before the injury news, 166 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 2: so just to fan those flames. But for me, there's 167 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 2: just it was just a question mark on where exactly 168 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 2: I think he's going to score. Well, I don't think 169 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 2: he's going to score on hundred and twenty points a game. 170 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 2: I just I don't know the suns in the same 171 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 2: way you do, mate. 172 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 4: I just I don't know. 173 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 2: I don't know where he plays, and that's enough for 174 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 2: me to drop him down the ranks. 175 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 1: A couple of picks, fair enough, Was there any other 176 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:34,680 Speaker 1: players you wanted to touch on, Steve before we move to 177 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 1: the next sort of ten of ranks. 178 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:40,560 Speaker 3: I've actually got Houston at D three, so he's a 179 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:44,199 Speaker 3: player I'm far more comfortable selecting than Leck. You probably 180 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:46,720 Speaker 3: get him at a better value than that. I think 181 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:51,319 Speaker 3: he's got a lot of room for improvement at Collingwood. 182 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 3: You know, he never had the kick in Chare at 183 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:57,800 Speaker 3: Port Adelaide. There should be plenty of intercepts for him 184 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:00,679 Speaker 3: at Collingwood. So I actually, I think he's got a 185 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:04,439 Speaker 3: lot of upside. Really, he's someone who I could take 186 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:07,360 Speaker 3: as a Tier one defender who you don't necessarily have 187 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 3: to draft there. Allo, I'm pretty early in the mock. 188 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 2: He did go very early in the in the mock, 189 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:16,440 Speaker 2: I've actually I mean, I won't bore you with all 190 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 2: the details, but I do track super coach averages like 191 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 2: of by position of players when they move clubs over 192 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:28,199 Speaker 2: the years, and generally defenders do, like particularly in the 193 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:31,320 Speaker 2: Dan Houston role, do see an uptick, especially in that 194 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:34,439 Speaker 2: first year that they move across. So I think there's 195 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 2: room for improvement for him there. But he's he's just 196 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 2: someone that's never I've never really gelled with, and there's 197 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:43,439 Speaker 2: a bit of bias in this where he falls into 198 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:47,080 Speaker 2: this category, where with me with Malaria Holmes and Martin 199 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 2: who I'm probably emphasizing their upside based on their age 200 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 2: and experience over his upside on roll And I mean, 201 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 2: flip a coin. I know I'm lower on Houston than 202 00:09:57,200 --> 00:09:58,520 Speaker 2: a lot of people are out there. 203 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 1: I think we can move on to the next batch 204 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:05,079 Speaker 1: of plais your ranks eleven through to twenty. 205 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 2: All right, let's pull it up eleven through twenty. Okay, 206 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 2: so Tier five we have my boy Bailey Dale and 207 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:18,559 Speaker 2: Jayden Short. Tiers six, these are the old blokes Dane Zorco, 208 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 2: Tom Stewart, James Cicily, Jeremy McGovern. We're going to call 209 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 2: that the old bloke tier. Then we've got in Tier 210 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 2: seven Nick Blakey, Colby mckircher, Maddie Roberts, and rounding out 211 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 2: the top twenty is and there's plenty of guys in 212 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 2: Tier eight here, but the twentieth player on my list 213 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:38,680 Speaker 2: is Mitch Hinge, who was just one of my favorite 214 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:40,920 Speaker 2: blokes to draft in the Super Coach. 215 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:45,080 Speaker 1: I want to specifically talk about a guy who finished 216 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:48,200 Speaker 1: last year incredibly hot, and I'll then I'll get your 217 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:51,200 Speaker 1: takes cebe fizzed. But I really like Matt Roberts a 218 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 1: fair bit higher than nineteen this year. Came home firing 219 00:10:56,440 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 1: last year, averaging over one hundred towards the back half 220 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 1: of the season. He's got a ridiculously high kicking percentage. 221 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 1: I think the fan to mentioned it on our podcast 222 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:09,679 Speaker 1: about Classic yesterday that we recorded, and it was saying 223 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 1: like eighty four percent kicking efficiency and it was one 224 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 1: of the highest in the league for people over twelve 225 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:16,720 Speaker 1: kicks a game. So he's a guy that Sydney I 226 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 1: think will rely on to distribute the ball out of 227 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:21,480 Speaker 1: the back half. And I've kind of got him. I 228 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:23,040 Speaker 1: think I've got him all the way up at ten 229 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 1: in my recent ranking. Sign I'm super high on Maddi 230 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:30,199 Speaker 1: Roberts this year. But Stevie Fears, have you got any 231 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:32,720 Speaker 1: notable players there that you'd like to speak through and 232 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 1: your thoughts on Matt Roberts as well. 233 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:37,760 Speaker 3: I mean, Matt Roberts I find tricky because it's not 234 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:42,720 Speaker 3: a huge sample size. New coach too, I will say, 235 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:45,080 Speaker 3: James Cecily, I can't have a bar of it. Man, 236 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 3: I can't have it. I've got him at D thirty. 237 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:50,600 Speaker 3: Oh wow, just start on him. Well, I mean you 238 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:52,480 Speaker 3: think about it like this, is he going to play forward? 239 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 3: I tend to over the years, I've tended to if 240 00:11:56,880 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 3: I'm down on someone, I don't move them down five spots, 241 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 3: like I'll move them down a dozen spots. So I 242 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:05,439 Speaker 3: can't have it with the uncertainty. 243 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 2: I am so Cecily, I have what's that? What do 244 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 2: I have him at fifteenth for defenders? But I actually 245 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 2: have him a lot lower in my overall rankings just 246 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 2: the way it panned out, and he dropped like seventy 247 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:21,720 Speaker 2: or eighty spots year on year for me in the rankings. 248 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 2: So I'm also concerned by him, particularly with that questionable 249 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 2: tall forward line at Hawthorne. It's not specifically the fear 250 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:32,680 Speaker 2: that he'll go forward for me, but there is uncertainty 251 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 2: there and they've added in, you know, two big elements 252 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 2: into that back line. So I appreciate the fear and 253 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:43,920 Speaker 2: having thirtieth. Having him thirtieth is probably makes sense just 254 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:46,080 Speaker 2: for me. I'm like, if I if I'm looking, if 255 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 2: I'm sitting there and you're forcing me to pick someone 256 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:51,680 Speaker 2: it during the live draft, and I've got Cicily or 257 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 2: my boy who I love, Mitch Hinge. I'm probably just 258 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 2: going to take Cecily ahead just because of I don't 259 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 2: know he's going to play theoretically everything unless he punching 260 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:06,000 Speaker 2: people again. So yeah, he is a difficult player to 261 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 2: I don't want him on my team. I'm going to 262 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:09,080 Speaker 2: avoid drafting him if I can. 263 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 1: There's a couple of fossils in the list, as you 264 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 1: did mention Lek, that you've been, you know, potentially harsh 265 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:17,720 Speaker 1: on if you look at just their average of last year. 266 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:20,079 Speaker 1: But you're really kind of, you know, factoring in the 267 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:23,720 Speaker 1: age you've mentioned in like a couple of previous podcasts 268 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:26,160 Speaker 1: that you're not you certainly give a bigger hit to 269 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 1: players with an injury history as well, So these guys 270 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:32,040 Speaker 1: certainly would tick that box as well. But Jeremy McGovern 271 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 1: and Dane Zorco, if you just looked at their average 272 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:37,800 Speaker 1: from last year, would be a lot higher up the list. 273 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:41,440 Speaker 1: But Stevie, are you as harsh on players that you 274 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 1: know have had standout seasons like they did, played probably 275 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 1: irregularly high games for their traditional histories? Are you sort 276 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:52,319 Speaker 1: of dropping them as far as you know, Jeremy McGovern 277 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:54,800 Speaker 1: at sixteen and Dane Zorco at thirteen. 278 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 3: Man, I love Zorko, like I find the injury narrative 279 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 3: around Zora kind of puzzling. He's basically played twenty plus 280 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 3: games every year, so I don't know. Man's I mean, 281 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:08,760 Speaker 3: if you're playing twenty games, I'm pretty happy with that. 282 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 3: So I've got him far higher than then Lack. I 283 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 3: understand dropping guys like that, and Jeremy McGovern's I've got 284 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:18,680 Speaker 3: him at twenty four, and it's not because he's old. 285 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 3: It's just because he, you know, spends more time in 286 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:24,520 Speaker 3: the medical tent than Alan Alder. There's an old man 287 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 3: reference for you people. So yeah, it's a fair. 288 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:32,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, Like zork he had twenty three last year, had 289 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 2: seventeen nineteen twenty one, like their acceptable game amounts. It's 290 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 2: just it's when those games happen, and I just if 291 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 2: I'm given the choice between someone who like I just 292 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 2: don't want that injury to happen in the game where 293 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:48,360 Speaker 2: I need to win to make finals, or that first 294 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 2: week of finals or whatever, so I bump those guys down. 295 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 2: McGovern's the same, like yeah, had a very good year, 296 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:55,840 Speaker 2: but how often does he do it well? 297 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:58,640 Speaker 4: He doesn't do it, So it's this is a Bill 298 00:14:58,640 --> 00:14:59,360 Speaker 4: Simmons line. 299 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 2: But I like my footy players to play footy and 300 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 2: Jimmy McGovern doesn't do that. Tom Stewart, I'll just touch on. 301 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 2: His isn't an age thing. His is more of a 302 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 2: role thing. We saw him move sort of from back 303 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 2: line to the wing to sort of outside. He inside 304 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 2: midtime last year, and I carried him in Classic for 305 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 2: most of last year, and he was fine towards the 306 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 2: end of the year. But I just there was enough 307 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 2: uncertainty and they've acquired enough talent that I'm just just 308 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 2: happy to push him down a little bit. 309 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:31,160 Speaker 1: Just want one. I want to talk about one more 310 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 1: players that the Hat bros As you like to call him, 311 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 1: Stevie Fizz, are getting around a bit. Jaden Short up 312 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:41,400 Speaker 1: at twelve, So the Classic community is getting quite a 313 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:44,160 Speaker 1: bit around Jaden Short as a player that you could 314 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 1: return to some great heights, given I think his average 315 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:49,920 Speaker 1: was only in the eighties low eighties last year. He's 316 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 1: done ninety plus in the past, and the Tigers, obviously 317 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 1: it's presumably going to be in their back line quite 318 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:55,120 Speaker 1: a bit. 319 00:15:56,800 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not as hot on short. I've got him 320 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 3: at seventeen, and I'll probably end up moving him down. 321 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 3: I'm just not sure he's very good at this point. 322 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:09,280 Speaker 3: Like I know that's harsh, Like he's obviously a good player, 323 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 3: but I don't know if maybe the best has passed him. 324 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:15,000 Speaker 3: And I don't really want many parts of that Richmond 325 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:16,480 Speaker 3: team to be perfectly. 326 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 1: Fair, absolutely fair. Can we talk. 327 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 3: About Max Holmes? Because I know people like Max Holmes 328 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 3: and I love the player, but there's a guy, you know, 329 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:29,880 Speaker 3: you talk about Tom Stewart getting split around, Like if 330 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 3: Max Holmes is playing like let's say forty percent inside 331 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:35,280 Speaker 3: midfield and then a lot of the time on the wing, 332 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 3: I'm a little bit casual about him. 333 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 4: Yeah. 334 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 2: Look, and I think that's fair enough for me. I'm 335 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 2: sort of hoping that they transitioned him back into and 336 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 2: again you don't want to hope when you're drafting, but 337 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 2: transition him behind the ball a bit more. 338 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:52,240 Speaker 4: I didn't love. 339 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:56,280 Speaker 2: From a super co perspective perspective that when he was 340 00:16:56,320 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 2: on the wing and stuff. But the other thing you 341 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:01,320 Speaker 2: have to understand is that if I drafted someone in 342 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:06,240 Speaker 2: a Dynasty League, they get bumped up the rankings. And now, 343 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 2: admittedly I did trade Max Holmes to try and go 344 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:11,200 Speaker 2: for a back to back flag in my main dynasty league, 345 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:13,119 Speaker 2: but I did draft him, so I did call it, 346 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:16,439 Speaker 2: and that as a result, he does get a bump. 347 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 3: I think he's really a really, really good outside player, 348 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 3: which is the problem, right. 349 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 2: I mean, that is a problem. What I want to see. 350 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:30,119 Speaker 2: What I want to see is how they use like 351 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:33,280 Speaker 2: a Bailey Smith because he's and I don't know if 352 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 2: we'll get to the forwards. I don't actually think Bailey 353 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:40,640 Speaker 2: Smith is that good in terms of super coach or football, 354 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:44,160 Speaker 2: but I understand that everyone else does. So I'm interested 355 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:47,280 Speaker 2: to see how that whole side sort of shakes up. 356 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:50,359 Speaker 2: And I'm just hoping that there's enough kind of outside 357 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:53,680 Speaker 2: players there that they just shove Homes behind the ball 358 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:56,680 Speaker 2: and trust that he can kick it to a teammate. 359 00:17:57,320 --> 00:18:00,359 Speaker 1: I'm just looking at games at which he attends did 360 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:02,400 Speaker 1: like if he's going to be more of an inside 361 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:05,640 Speaker 1: mid the games he attended fifty percent plus center bounces 362 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:08,119 Speaker 1: and he averaged over one hundred in those It's nine games, 363 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 1: like it's not a massive sample. Last year but I 364 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:13,440 Speaker 1: don't know. Maybe that's just what people are going off. 365 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:15,440 Speaker 1: If he's going to play a bit more inside mid, 366 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:17,439 Speaker 1: even if he plays a defender, I don't know. I 367 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:20,080 Speaker 1: don't I don't dislike the pick. I just yeah, I 368 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:23,280 Speaker 1: feel like i'd be I mean, talk about injury prone. 369 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:26,080 Speaker 1: I think this guy could certainly tick that box. Twenty 370 00:18:26,119 --> 00:18:27,720 Speaker 1: five games last year, but still managed to do a 371 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:30,160 Speaker 1: hamstring right at the end of the season. So always 372 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:32,640 Speaker 1: seems to have those those hamstring concerns. With the high 373 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:35,119 Speaker 1: explosive game that he sort of plays. Hopefully he can 374 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:38,920 Speaker 1: get his body right. Let's talk about twenty one to thirty. 375 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:41,800 Speaker 2: Lek al Right, Well, this is where you get into 376 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:44,399 Speaker 2: a bit of fun. So I've got Trent Rivers in 377 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:47,679 Speaker 2: at twenty one. He's a Tier eight guy alongside John 378 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:50,960 Speaker 2: Noble and Carl Aimon and Mitch Hinge who was in 379 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:55,960 Speaker 2: the top twenty. Kellum Mills is low. I know he's 380 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:57,760 Speaker 2: going to be low compared to what most people think. 381 00:18:57,800 --> 00:19:01,679 Speaker 2: At tier nine, I've got Kellum Mills, Harry Similberg, Daniel Rioli, 382 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:07,760 Speaker 2: Adam Sad, Andrew mcgrah and Kellum Wilkie. In thirtieth is 383 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:11,879 Speaker 2: kiddeen Coleman, who I think might actually be injured at 384 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:14,959 Speaker 2: the moment, so that doesn't bode necessarily very well. 385 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:18,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, So, as you mentioned, you did these ranks, yeah 386 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:21,800 Speaker 1: before the last couple of weeks, and that it's a 387 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 1: long time in pre seasons sometimes. Yeah, Kitty, you'd imagine 388 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:26,960 Speaker 1: you bump that down. He's not going to be coming 389 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:30,359 Speaker 1: back until you know, a few rounds into the season 390 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 1: at the very earliest. From what we've heard, he's. 391 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 4: Bump up Rory Atkins instead. 392 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 1: Then let's talk Callum Mills. Steve ifi is, what are 393 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 1: your thoughts on him this season? 394 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:45,200 Speaker 3: D nine for me? D nine, And I've seen him higher, man, 395 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:46,280 Speaker 3: I've seen him higher. 396 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:50,760 Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm pretty I'm pretty high. I think I've 397 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:53,639 Speaker 1: got thirteen. I'm just sort of on the edge of 398 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:55,720 Speaker 1: I might even bring him higher if I see even 399 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 1: more midfield stuff and also seeing Stevie's higher on him, 400 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:05,360 Speaker 1: so bump him up. As we've mentioned the draft guru here, Yeah, 401 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 1: walk us through why you're not high on him, like 402 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 1: twenty fourth overall in your ranks in defender. 403 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:14,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, it's the play football factor, it's the new 404 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 2: coach factor, it's the angus angus Sheldrick hype factor. 405 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:22,000 Speaker 4: I mean, if Sheldrick's in, you can't have Mills in 406 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 4: there as well. But you know, he is a leader. 407 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 2: He is going to want to prove himself after what 408 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 2: was he doing wrestling preseason and snapped his arm last year. Like, 409 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 2: there's a lot of reasons for him to prove his output. 410 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:38,120 Speaker 2: And he's definitely one that, like you look at this list, 411 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:40,439 Speaker 2: he's going to get a bump. But my initial reaction 412 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:43,880 Speaker 2: to him was just I just didn't trust him essentially 413 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:45,840 Speaker 2: fair enough. 414 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:49,479 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's gonna be interesting where he goes and Steve, 415 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:52,480 Speaker 1: as you said, I think people got him high. It's 416 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:55,080 Speaker 1: going to be fascinating where Calum Mills goes in draft. 417 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:57,119 Speaker 1: I think, you know, we talked about a guy like 418 00:20:57,560 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 1: Clayton Oliver last year, are expecting a big bounce back, 419 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:04,200 Speaker 1: but his draft range could be wildly different in each draft. 420 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:08,080 Speaker 1: I'd imagine the same with Calum Mills, just given his 421 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:11,920 Speaker 1: injury history, given his role, given his all these different things. 422 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:14,959 Speaker 1: But the defender status, does you know, it's always tempting 423 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:16,960 Speaker 1: and if you've got him D nine, you'd be happy 424 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:19,960 Speaker 1: drafting him early. I want to talk about Trent Rivers 425 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:22,560 Speaker 1: as well. Twenty one. What's your thoughts on him, Steve? 426 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:25,720 Speaker 1: Some talk he's going to move into more of a 427 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:29,560 Speaker 1: midfield role. He's got defender mid status. Twenty one? Where 428 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:30,240 Speaker 1: are you sitting on? 429 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 2: Trent? 430 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 3: Rivers actually have him in the exact same spot, I 431 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:36,680 Speaker 3: believe it or not, So I don't mind Rivers. Obviously, 432 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:40,719 Speaker 3: it's a hard midfield to maybe get points in, So 433 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:44,600 Speaker 3: I think twenty I wouldn't want him as any higher 434 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:49,920 Speaker 3: than my D three, so I'd be Yeah, he's a 435 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:53,320 Speaker 3: player I think has limited upside, but I like because 436 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:54,760 Speaker 3: he's got a good role. 437 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:59,120 Speaker 1: A couple of sons here and lack your thoughts on 438 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:01,960 Speaker 1: I see a lot of like you've got John Noble, 439 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:06,840 Speaker 1: You've got Daniel Rioli, you know Will Powell to reveal 440 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:09,400 Speaker 1: the bring back the curtain. He's at thirty three as well, 441 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:11,520 Speaker 1: so you've sort of are you thinking it's going to 442 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:13,760 Speaker 1: be a bit more mouse to feed back there this 443 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:17,159 Speaker 1: year and no one person really takes the bulk of points. 444 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:19,879 Speaker 2: I think it is a bit more mouse to feed 445 00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:23,520 Speaker 2: if Flanders is playing, you know less behind the ball 446 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:27,440 Speaker 2: than he did at stages last year. I'm a big 447 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:31,160 Speaker 2: John nobleman. I'm not sure why, but I'm just think. 448 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:34,480 Speaker 1: John Steve the audio listener, Steve is shaking his head 449 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:36,479 Speaker 1: right now, keen to get his thoughts in a second. 450 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:39,560 Speaker 4: I've always loved John Noble. I don't know why. 451 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:42,480 Speaker 2: Maybe it's because he looks kind of rattish, but I'm 452 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 2: supportive of him and Daniel Reol. I just think if 453 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:49,040 Speaker 2: you go and acquire two guys who play essentially exclusively 454 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:52,320 Speaker 2: off the half back, your intention is to play them 455 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:55,879 Speaker 2: there especially. I mean, I know Gold Coast trade with 456 00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 2: pretend picks and they don't actually value them, so it 457 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:00,920 Speaker 2: doesn't matter. But if you're given way assets to get 458 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:02,720 Speaker 2: those guys in, I think there's intent there. 459 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:05,200 Speaker 4: Noble similar Rivers is like. 460 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:08,880 Speaker 2: A D four guy D five, but he'll score your 461 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:12,439 Speaker 2: eighty five points and he has a cap of above 462 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:13,320 Speaker 2: one hundred. 463 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:14,280 Speaker 4: So I've got him in there. 464 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:17,040 Speaker 2: And then, yes, will Power's a little bit lower, just 465 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:19,439 Speaker 2: because I think he's when I was doing the depth charts. 466 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:22,480 Speaker 2: He's just sort of the one that was slightly unlucky 467 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,640 Speaker 2: with that acquisition Lens over the team. 468 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,360 Speaker 1: I feel like will Power has been a perennial guy 469 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:32,040 Speaker 1: in keeper leagues where coaches are just waiting for the 470 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:34,360 Speaker 1: role to emerge, and every time it did, he seemingly 471 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 1: got injured right as he was about to step into 472 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:38,440 Speaker 1: this prime role. And now he's got a couple more 473 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:41,480 Speaker 1: people to contend with. Steve, your thoughts on the Suns 474 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:45,800 Speaker 1: mix in the defensive defensive line, Yeah, well there's a lot. 475 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:52,080 Speaker 3: To play out. I suspectable Powell plays more lockdown on 476 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:56,680 Speaker 3: the medium size forwards. I like dan Uriali enough, he's 477 00:23:56,720 --> 00:24:01,040 Speaker 3: in the in the twenties. For me, he should be fine. 478 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 3: I'm obviously not as hot on Noble as Lack. I 479 00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:07,720 Speaker 3: don't have some affection for him. I have no affection 480 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:11,719 Speaker 3: when the trade went through, why would we do that? 481 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 3: But anyway, it was. 482 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:16,160 Speaker 2: A perplexing trait just for the record, and that's why 483 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:18,960 Speaker 2: I think he has to have a role because otherwise 484 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:20,200 Speaker 2: it doesn't make any sense. 485 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:23,960 Speaker 3: Well, you know, these are AFL recruiters that you know 486 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:26,320 Speaker 3: sometimes don't always do what makes sense. There's a lot 487 00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:28,600 Speaker 3: of mouse, there's a lot of potential in the half 488 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:30,160 Speaker 3: back line for the Suns, and the Sons are actually 489 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 3: pretty good moving the ball just broke down going forward. 490 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:36,080 Speaker 3: So actually there were strange recruitments. To me, I understand 491 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:40,240 Speaker 3: Daniello's quality player, so like that, I just I can't 492 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:42,840 Speaker 3: trust John Noble. I don't know that he's a very 493 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:47,760 Speaker 3: efficient player. I don't know that he's better some of 494 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:50,760 Speaker 3: these other guys. And I find it hard to rank 495 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:56,320 Speaker 3: so many sons particularly high. 496 00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:59,359 Speaker 2: That's fair, I mean, that's all fair bite. And I 497 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 2: guess I guess what I should have probably done is 498 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:04,560 Speaker 2: bump them all lower because I had question marks. 499 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:05,120 Speaker 4: Over all of them. 500 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:07,400 Speaker 2: But I think one of them is going to provide 501 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 2: that D four maybe D three value. 502 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:13,600 Speaker 4: I think it's going to be John Noble. 503 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:18,440 Speaker 2: Spoiler, you'll work out which person from the Sun's back 504 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 2: line I got in a mid season draft in my 505 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:26,200 Speaker 2: dynasty league. But I do think in that carl I 506 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:28,119 Speaker 2: mean Mills is obviously going to get bumped up, but 507 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:32,679 Speaker 2: in that Sad has an opportunity just by role, of 508 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:35,080 Speaker 2: course question marks over his body. I think Really and 509 00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:37,680 Speaker 2: Noble have been brought in to fulfill a role. Carl 510 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:41,359 Speaker 2: Amon's role is always very defined. He just doesn't always 511 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:44,240 Speaker 2: deliver the points we want. I think anyone in this 512 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 2: sort of tier eight tier nine range for me, and 513 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:50,080 Speaker 2: maybe I'll concede kelm Mills should be a little high. 514 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:52,800 Speaker 2: It's all a little bit of a crapshoot in there 515 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:53,040 Speaker 2: for me. 516 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:57,680 Speaker 1: Any players on the list Stevie Fizz in this top 517 00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:01,680 Speaker 1: thirty absent that you you know, surprised and missing. 518 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:09,960 Speaker 3: Probably Liam Duggan. I think Dugan should play midfield straight 519 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:15,200 Speaker 3: away for West Coast. With what's going on there, he'd 520 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:20,199 Speaker 3: probably be the standout one. I guess you'd say I 521 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:22,800 Speaker 3: have lost an in, so probably I'm a little bit 522 00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:25,160 Speaker 3: down on short compared to consensus, and I'm a little 523 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:29,119 Speaker 3: bit happier to draft I've lost and a lot of 524 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:32,840 Speaker 3: the players are very similar though. Steve Mayer, I'll have 525 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:35,600 Speaker 3: him there. He's pretty consistent, always has the kick ins 526 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:38,679 Speaker 3: and can take an inter set for Melbourne, So I like, 527 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:40,800 Speaker 3: you know, those two things are pretty good for supercoach, 528 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:46,680 Speaker 3: pretty good player. But yeah, probably not wildly different. I 529 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:49,840 Speaker 3: guess you'd say. 530 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 2: Liam Duggan's probably a good shout. I had him in 531 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:54,400 Speaker 2: my top one hundred last year and he just slipped out, 532 00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:58,480 Speaker 2: and preseason if he's in the team, he'll probably push 533 00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:00,479 Speaker 2: his way in. I think that's a good shout. Boston 534 00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:03,520 Speaker 2: had a had a like a really underrated last couple 535 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:07,080 Speaker 2: of years for super Coach. He's a good play and 536 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:09,159 Speaker 2: I think he's the perfect sort of draft if he 537 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:11,320 Speaker 2: can get of it. I don't know, D four, D five, 538 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:13,560 Speaker 2: whatever it is. He'll serve you well. 539 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:17,680 Speaker 1: Before we wrap things up, and I'll give you a 540 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:19,439 Speaker 1: bit of time. I'll pad for you, guys, because this 541 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:21,920 Speaker 1: is a question I've thrown in there at the last minute. Here, 542 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:25,760 Speaker 1: I want your sleeper this season in the defensive line 543 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,720 Speaker 1: as well, So we'll get to that and I'll mention 544 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,000 Speaker 1: my guy. I've just got to mention him on every 545 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:34,480 Speaker 1: podcast this preseason. But I'm going with Ari Shawan Maker 546 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:39,080 Speaker 1: as my sleeper in drafts. I think he's going to 547 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:42,119 Speaker 1: step in and just take a massive role in the 548 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:45,280 Speaker 1: defensive line for Saint Kilda. I think there's there's room 549 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:48,000 Speaker 1: for him there. There's as much as we've got two 550 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 1: of the top ten defenders according to Lex Ranks here 551 00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 1: playing at Saint Kilda in Jack Sinclair and Zaia Wanganeen Miller, 552 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:57,360 Speaker 1: I think there is going to be room for him there. 553 00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:00,600 Speaker 1: We saw Riley Bonner, for goodness sake last year playing 554 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:03,600 Speaker 1: a defensive key role as a distributor out of the 555 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:07,680 Speaker 1: Saint Kilter back line. Ari shall Maker's got a booming kick, 556 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:12,040 Speaker 1: a great disposal. I know he's only nineteen twenty years old, 557 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:15,840 Speaker 1: but this guy's booming left pegs just unbelievable to watch. 558 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:19,040 Speaker 1: I think he'll be taking some kick ins and have 559 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:21,359 Speaker 1: a significant role given especially they've had a couple of 560 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:23,960 Speaker 1: early injuries. Dougal Howard's going to be out for a bit, 561 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,720 Speaker 1: Josh Battles left the club. I think they've had a 562 00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:29,560 Speaker 1: couple of other injuries as well. So Iri shall Maker 563 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:31,399 Speaker 1: for me, hopefully I've padded a long enough for you 564 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:34,119 Speaker 1: guys to sort out your sleeper. Leck, you look ready 565 00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:35,720 Speaker 1: to go. Who have you got for us? 566 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:37,040 Speaker 4: Look? 567 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:39,959 Speaker 2: I think so a guy we've sort of mentioned him, 568 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,880 Speaker 2: A guy of at twentieth. I think Mitch Hinge is 569 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,000 Speaker 2: really good and I think he probably gets overlooked in 570 00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:45,760 Speaker 2: a lot of drafts. 571 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:47,160 Speaker 4: I don't know what his ADP is. 572 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:50,080 Speaker 2: I think I've got him at twenty and I reckon 573 00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:53,040 Speaker 2: you can probably get him as like he'll probably be 574 00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:56,520 Speaker 2: the thirtieth to fortieth defender that goes off in Super Coach. 575 00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,560 Speaker 2: He still has that tag of injury prone, even though 576 00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:01,680 Speaker 2: he played it hell of a lot of games last year. 577 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,640 Speaker 2: Other than that, I said it kind of jokingly. I 578 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:07,080 Speaker 2: do think there's a world where your last pick is 579 00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:10,480 Speaker 2: the rat Rory Atkins, or you pick him up off 580 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:12,440 Speaker 2: the wave of wire and he surprises you for at 581 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:13,400 Speaker 2: least a few weeks. 582 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:15,040 Speaker 4: Because there's a. 583 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:18,120 Speaker 2: Dan Houston size hole down in Port Adelaide and it's 584 00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:19,960 Speaker 2: got Rory Atkins name all over. 585 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,480 Speaker 1: It was taking kick ins at training the other day 586 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:24,640 Speaker 1: when I was having a look. I know it's very early, 587 00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:28,280 Speaker 1: Caine Farrell was not training. I'm growing higher on Caine 588 00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:30,920 Speaker 1: Farrell the more I look at that Port defensive line though. 589 00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:34,440 Speaker 1: You know there's a big hole there. Steve, before you 590 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:36,760 Speaker 1: tell us your sleeper, what are your thoughts on how 591 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:38,960 Speaker 1: that shakes out at Port Adelaide, Because you know, as 592 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,480 Speaker 1: you said, you've got Dan Houston so high he was 593 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:43,400 Speaker 1: mopping up a lot of points in that defensive line 594 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:43,760 Speaker 1: for Port. 595 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:46,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a great point, and I think Kane Farrell's 596 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:49,080 Speaker 3: the obvious choice, which is weird because I've sort of 597 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:52,640 Speaker 3: suggested he was a good shout all along this preseason. 598 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,440 Speaker 3: Lek has him higher in his ranks than I do, 599 00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:57,560 Speaker 3: but I still think it's the it's the right area 600 00:29:57,640 --> 00:29:59,920 Speaker 3: to be looking, whether you want to look at Bergman 601 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:04,880 Speaker 3: or Farrell or someone else. Even that's absolutely a spot 602 00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:09,360 Speaker 3: where I think drafters should be taking a look late 603 00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:14,240 Speaker 3: in drafts if you want to go. I mean, Perriman's 604 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:18,000 Speaker 3: probably someone we haven't mentioned to, you know, could absolutely 605 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:22,680 Speaker 3: get into that top thirty range. Probably a real sleeper. 606 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:24,680 Speaker 3: I know he's starting to get a little bit of 607 00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:27,560 Speaker 3: heat in the salary cap world, is Sam de coning? 608 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:32,080 Speaker 3: If he does assume that rock roll, it should be 609 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:35,040 Speaker 3: good point scoring. I don't think you could be confident, 610 00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:36,400 Speaker 3: but it's the sort of thing you can do late 611 00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:40,920 Speaker 3: in the drafts where the pick doesn't maybe mean as 612 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:42,760 Speaker 3: much if you have to throw the player back into 613 00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:43,480 Speaker 3: the pool. 614 00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:48,400 Speaker 1: Awesome thanks Stevie Fizz. Well, you can check out Lekdog's 615 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,560 Speaker 1: top one hundred ranks and plenty of other great articles 616 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:55,640 Speaker 1: through with super Coach and super Coach Draft at Code Sports. 617 00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:58,960 Speaker 1: Steve Fizz as well, you put together an awesome draft 618 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,400 Speaker 1: kit every year. You've got a lot of info in 619 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:03,600 Speaker 1: there for super coach drafters as well. Why don't you 620 00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:05,760 Speaker 1: just walk us through what you've got. You've put together 621 00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:07,640 Speaker 1: this pre season and you've done for the last few years. 622 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,760 Speaker 3: Yeah. So the Draft Doctors Draft Kit, it's on the 623 00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:15,080 Speaker 3: website if you're interested in that. It's fifteen player profiles 624 00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:18,040 Speaker 3: from each club, draft range where we think they should 625 00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:25,719 Speaker 3: be selected, projected averages, our the riders picks, all that 626 00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:28,320 Speaker 3: sort of stuff. So yeah, and all the ranks, which 627 00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:32,840 Speaker 3: are getting updated this Friday, the fourteenth. Is it fourteenth? 628 00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:35,520 Speaker 3: So yeah, we update the ranks a few times each year. 629 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,000 Speaker 3: And yeah, it's a bit of fun as well. 630 00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:42,400 Speaker 1: So not all busy Valentine's Day, busy Valentine's Day for you. 631 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,760 Speaker 1: Miss physically happy with that one, but no, fantastic thanks 632 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:51,600 Speaker 1: for joining us. We'll be going through our forward rankings 633 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:55,120 Speaker 1: next Thanks again, lect Dog and Steppers from the Draft Doctors. 634 00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:56,000 Speaker 1: We'll see you again. 635 00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:56,160 Speaker 4: So