WEBVTT - Sharri | 28 May

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<v Speaker 1>Why On Sky News This is Sharry.

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<v Speaker 2>Good Evening tonight, Susan Lee fails her first test as

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<v Speaker 2>opposition leader with a weak and uninspiring shadow cabinet accusations.

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<v Speaker 2>Tonight she's demoted any woman who poses a threat to her.

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<v Speaker 2>More on that in a moment. The Liberal Party has

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<v Speaker 2>been asked to stump up a six figure loan to

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<v Speaker 2>stop John Pisuto from going bankrupt. Well, shouldn't these funds

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<v Speaker 2>be used to fight justinto Allen at the next election.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll discuss this with Michael Kroger and Richo shortly.

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<v Speaker 2>Farmers, Well, they'll have to sell up to pay Labour's

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<v Speaker 2>unrealized capital gains tax. The head of the Farmers Federation

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<v Speaker 2>will be on the show to speak about this a

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<v Speaker 2>bit later, and Holocaust survivor Eddie Bois joins me ahead

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<v Speaker 2>of Australia's biggest ever reunion.

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<v Speaker 3>Of Holocaust survivors.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that's all coming up and it's a big show

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<v Speaker 2>tonight with Brendan O'Neill, Dave Sharma, Gray, Iane Richardson and

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<v Speaker 2>Michael Kroger. Well, the shadow cabinet was our position leader

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<v Speaker 2>Susan Lee's first test and she comprehensively failed.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a hit job on high profile women.

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<v Speaker 2>The coalition's top female talent have been dumped or demoted.

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<v Speaker 2>This includes Sarah Henderson who's been dumped, Jane Hume dumped,

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<v Speaker 2>Claire Chandler dumped, and Justina Nampa. Jimper Price demoted, and

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<v Speaker 2>Jacinta has been dumped from the Shadow Cabinet and given

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<v Speaker 2>a more junior portfolio of defense industry. Clearly, it's a

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<v Speaker 2>mistake not to have Jacinta in the shadow cabinet, to

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<v Speaker 2>think that she's no longer part of that crucial grouping

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<v Speaker 2>that decides coalition policy, while for example, carry Anne Little

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<v Speaker 2>has been included.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, it's just bizarre.

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<v Speaker 2>And Jacinta made her disappointment clear on Kredline tonight. Be

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<v Speaker 2>honest to say that they're probably some appointments that have

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<v Speaker 2>not been predicated on.

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<v Speaker 3>Experience or merit.

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<v Speaker 4>But this is what this is the team we have

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<v Speaker 4>to work with that we're working.

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<v Speaker 3>With going forward.

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<v Speaker 4>And you know, I mean, I'm not going to lie

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<v Speaker 4>and say that I'm not disappointed that I'm not within

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<v Speaker 4>cabinet itself. And she also spoke about some of her

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<v Speaker 4>colleagues who'd also been dumped, and one of them Sarah Henderson.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just illogical that Sarah Henderson has lost her front

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<v Speaker 2>bench position. She's capable, competent, smart and hard working, a

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<v Speaker 2>great media performer and a tireless senator. Now Sarah put

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<v Speaker 2>out a statement this evening that criticized Susan Lee for

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<v Speaker 2>demoting women. She said, I regret that a number of

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<v Speaker 2>high performing Liberal women have been overlooked or demoted in.

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<v Speaker 3>The new ministry.

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<v Speaker 2>Then there's Claire chand she was in the shadow cabinet previously,

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<v Speaker 2>as in the portfolios of Government Services, Sciences and the Arts,

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<v Speaker 2>but now she, like Sarah Henderson, has no portfolio at all.

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<v Speaker 2>She's talented, another great performer, and you'll recall Tony Burke

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<v Speaker 2>and Creative Australia had to intervene and sack the controversial

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<v Speaker 2>artist karl Ed Sabsabi as a result of her questioning

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<v Speaker 2>when she was Shadow Arts Minister. And meanwhile, Jane Hume

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<v Speaker 2>has been punished for coming up with the working from

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<v Speaker 2>home policy for public servants that cost the coalition severely.

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<v Speaker 3>At the election.

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<v Speaker 2>Yet she wasn't the only one who supported it, the

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<v Speaker 2>whole team did.

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<v Speaker 3>But she's been the scapegoat again. She's well known to Australians.

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<v Speaker 2>She regularly takes up the fight to labor ministers on

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<v Speaker 2>live television. Now, in Susan Lee's new team, there's not

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<v Speaker 2>even a woman in the roles of education or early

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<v Speaker 2>child education. I mean early childhood education is now held

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<v Speaker 2>by a man. I don't want to be sexist here,

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<v Speaker 2>but there aren't many men working in preschools, so that's

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<v Speaker 2>a bizarre choice. Yet, this is what Susan Lee has

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<v Speaker 2>decided in her first move as Liberal leader, to hold

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<v Speaker 2>back for talented, ambitious women, and it looks worse for

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<v Speaker 2>her than it does for them. It looks like she's

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<v Speaker 2>threatened by other women and that's what coalition insiders are

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<v Speaker 2>saying as well. Anyone can see that the likes of

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<v Speaker 2>Jacinta has a bright future ahead of her. She's not

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<v Speaker 2>going to be held back forever by Susan Lee. It's

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<v Speaker 2>only a matter of time. Yet, Susan Lee was all

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<v Speaker 2>smiles for the cameras today.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, good afternoon.

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<v Speaker 5>Today, David and I have reached agreement formally to reform

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<v Speaker 5>the Coalition and we can announce our new Coalition Shadow Ministry.

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<v Speaker 5>I want to thank you David for the respectful and

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<v Speaker 5>productive way that you and I have engaged throughout this

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<v Speaker 5>process and I know that we will be a great

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<v Speaker 5>partnership going forward.

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<v Speaker 2>The shadow cabinet that she's assembled is not a winning

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<v Speaker 2>team that has a chance of defeating Alban easy or

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<v Speaker 2>even cawing back significant ground. While there are some good

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<v Speaker 2>moves like Andrew Hasty and Home Affairs, the overwhelming.

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<v Speaker 3>Makeup is weak. I mean, there are hardly.

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<v Speaker 2>Any Liberals left in Parliament. Susan Lee should at least

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<v Speaker 2>elevate the most talented ones to key positions, but she

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<v Speaker 2>hasn't done that. She's in such a shaky position herself

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<v Speaker 2>with half the party supporting Angus Taylor, that she hasn't

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<v Speaker 2>promoted according to talent.

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<v Speaker 3>She simply promoted.

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<v Speaker 2>Those who voted for her for the most part, and

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<v Speaker 2>that's a key factor in how she she won their

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<v Speaker 2>vote for the leadership in the first place. They knew

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<v Speaker 2>that they wouldn't have a shot at being in shadow

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<v Speaker 2>cabinet ordinarily, so they were reportedly offered key positions in

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<v Speaker 2>return for their vote. Now Teed O'Brien was talented in

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<v Speaker 2>energy against Chris Bowen, but will he be able to

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<v Speaker 2>take the fight up to Treasurer Jim Chalmers, who's a polished,

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<v Speaker 2>experienced and sophisticated performer. It's unlikely James Patterson works with

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<v Speaker 2>him as Shadow Finance Minister. Now, Patterson is the best

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<v Speaker 2>performer in the coalition and it's good for.

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<v Speaker 3>Him to have economic experience.

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<v Speaker 2>I have no doubt that in this role he will

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<v Speaker 2>still manage to shine above those in more prominent and

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<v Speaker 2>technically senior positions. Dave Sharma again, he's also one of

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<v Speaker 2>the brightest and yet he's been sidelined in a very

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<v Speaker 2>junior role. He's an assistant shadow minister, not even a

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<v Speaker 2>shadow assistant.

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<v Speaker 3>It's disappointing.

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<v Speaker 2>And then on the national side, Barnaby, Joyce and Michael

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<v Speaker 2>McCormack have been dumped. Matt Canavan again is an in

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<v Speaker 2>shadow cabinet. Nationalist leader David Little Proud says this is

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<v Speaker 2>about renewal fresh faces, but you.

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<v Speaker 3>Also need experience.

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<v Speaker 2>Barnaby and McCormack are two former party leaders who have

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<v Speaker 2>that experience. They're well known to the Australian public. Yet

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<v Speaker 2>they aren't in shadow cabinet and they've got no formal

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<v Speaker 2>role to play in the coalition at all. Now, when

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<v Speaker 2>the task at hand for the coalition is so significant

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<v Speaker 2>to win back between thirty and forty seats. The coalition

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<v Speaker 2>has today not put its brightest talent front and center.

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<v Speaker 3>The reality is the coalition.

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<v Speaker 2>Is so irrelevant right now and it's becoming even more

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<v Speaker 2>so with this weak shadow cabinet that was not appointed

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<v Speaker 2>on merit that in two years time Susan Lee won't

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<v Speaker 2>be the Liberal leader and this shadow cabinet will take

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<v Speaker 2>another form, and you have to say the Susan The

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<v Speaker 2>sooner that Susan Lee falls over and someone with true

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<v Speaker 2>leadership material steps up, the better it is for the country,

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<v Speaker 2>because it's not in anyone's interest to have an ineffective,

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<v Speaker 2>bland opposition with zero chance of winning the next election.

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<v Speaker 2>It means Australians will be subjected to Albanese's radical, high

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<v Speaker 2>taxing left leading government for even longer. Now, in breaking

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<v Speaker 2>news this evening, former Victorian former Victorian Liberal leader John

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<v Speaker 2>Persuto has asked the Liberal Party and the Cormack Foundation

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<v Speaker 2>to loan him the money for his two point three

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<v Speaker 2>million dollar legal bill. Now, this is money they should

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<v Speaker 2>be using to pay for the campaign against the Alan

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<v Speaker 2>government at the next election. The Liberal Party needs this funds,

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<v Speaker 2>it needs to take the fight up to the Allan

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<v Speaker 2>government and it needs to win well. John Persuto's supporters

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<v Speaker 2>have some hide doing this, asking the Liberals to pay

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<v Speaker 2>his fee.

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<v Speaker 3>A court ordered that Pursuito is liable.

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<v Speaker 2>To pay Moi Redeeming two point three million dollars after

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<v Speaker 2>he lost the defamation case where he falsely accused her

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<v Speaker 2>of being part of a Neo Nazi rally.

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<v Speaker 3>In fact, as you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, it was a women's a women's rights rally that

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<v Speaker 2>was later gate crashed by neo Nazis.

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<v Speaker 3>Pasuto didn't have to continue the case. He chose to

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<v Speaker 3>do that.

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<v Speaker 2>He could have apologized to Moi Redeming and readmitted her

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<v Speaker 2>to the Liberal Party without going to court at all.

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<v Speaker 3>He could have accepted that he kicked.

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<v Speaker 2>Her out of the party on a false basis, but

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<v Speaker 2>he refused to do that. He chose to fight this

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<v Speaker 2>case in court and now he's liable. And even before this,

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<v Speaker 2>months and months before the trial, Moi Redeeming offered Pursuito

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<v Speaker 2>to settle for ninety nine thousand dollars, no apology, nothing,

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<v Speaker 2>and he ignored it again. He chose to go to trial.

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<v Speaker 2>He could have settled the case like any commercial dispute. Instead,

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<v Speaker 2>he arrogantly fought the case, telling everyone that he'd win,

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<v Speaker 2>and in doing so he racked up a two point

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<v Speaker 2>three million dollar legal bill. He can't walk away from

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<v Speaker 2>that amount now that he's lost. And now an email

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<v Speaker 2>was sent to Liberal politicians this morning asking for the

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<v Speaker 2>Party to loan John pursuito the funds. The email, which

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<v Speaker 2>I've got, says, and I'm quoting, failure by Persuto to

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<v Speaker 2>meet this costs order by Friday, thirtieth of May twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty five will result in bankruptcy proceedings being commenced against

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<v Speaker 2>him and him being rendered ineligible to see in the

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<v Speaker 2>Victorian Parliament as a consequence. And that in the letter

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<v Speaker 2>they're asking for a loan of seven hundred and sixty

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<v Speaker 2>nine thousand dollars from the Victorian Division of the Liberal

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<v Speaker 2>Party and an equal amount of seven hundred and sixty

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<v Speaker 2>nine thousand dollars from the Cormack Foundation. Now do you

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<v Speaker 2>think if Moyer Redeeming lost this legal case, she'd be

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<v Speaker 2>in any position to ask the Party to pay her

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<v Speaker 2>legal bill? Of course not. They would have been happy

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<v Speaker 2>to bankrupt her. So why should Pezuto be rescued as

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<v Speaker 2>a result?

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<v Speaker 3>Of his own poor decision making.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, let's get into all of this and more

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<v Speaker 2>big show coming up for joining me now former Victorian

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<v Speaker 2>Liberal Party president Michael Kroger and labor legend Graham Richardson.

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<v Speaker 3>Welcome to you both.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Richard, this is all self inflicted for Perzuto, isn't it.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean he could have readmitted are redeeming unavoided quote entirely.

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<v Speaker 2>Who should feel sorry for him that he's made these

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<v Speaker 2>decisions and now he's dealing with the consequences.

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<v Speaker 6>I don't feel sorry for him. I mean, it's unfortunate

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<v Speaker 6>for anyone to get stuck with a bill like that,

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<v Speaker 6>but he just allowed arrogance and pride to get in

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<v Speaker 6>the road. I mean, when you're sitting there knowing what

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<v Speaker 6>your bank account is and knowing that it's not going

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<v Speaker 6>to ever reach to two point three midion, then you've

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<v Speaker 6>got to be a bit careful about how far you

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<v Speaker 6>want to pursue these things. You've got to be realistic.

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<v Speaker 6>And he just somewhere on the line completely lost realism,

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<v Speaker 6>and I think, in some sort of fantasy world, decided

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<v Speaker 6>he could push on. I don't think that any of

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<v Speaker 6>us were the thought of a two point three million dollar.

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<v Speaker 6>That's a massive sum. Two point three million dollars about

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<v Speaker 6>to hit you. You'd run a mile, but not air

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<v Speaker 6>and me he decided, I'm a tough guy. Well, some

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<v Speaker 6>tough guys make it some dot. He's not going to it.

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<v Speaker 2>Says a lot about his judgment as well, Michael, Victorians

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<v Speaker 2>are doing it so tough under that Allen government. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>shouldn't the Liberal Party be keeping its funds to fight

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<v Speaker 2>the next election instead of pay for legal bills.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, the important thing is to work out what's the

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<v Speaker 7>main priority of the party, and the main priority is

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<v Speaker 7>for Brad Batton to be elected premier in November next year.

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<v Speaker 7>He needs an eight point one percent swing to win,

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<v Speaker 7>which is a pretty hefty number chari As you know,

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<v Speaker 7>eight point one percent in a general election is a

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<v Speaker 7>massive number. So Brad and the team need everything to

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<v Speaker 7>go right for him to win. And today is actually

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<v Speaker 7>the seventieth anniversary of the election of Henry Bolty to

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<v Speaker 7>the premiership in Victoria twenty eighth of May nine and

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<v Speaker 7>fifty five. Polt He was elected with a fourteen percent swing.

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<v Speaker 7>That's the last time there was a swing Victoria of

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<v Speaker 7>more than eight percent so the Victorian Liberal Coalition would

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<v Speaker 7>be breaking seventy years of history to win, and they

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<v Speaker 7>need everything to go in their direction.

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<v Speaker 8>The tide needs to go with them.

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<v Speaker 7>So obviously these are metas for people who are running

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<v Speaker 7>the party. Well, let them do that, but sooner, sooner,

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<v Speaker 7>we'll only simply say state the obvious, which is the

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<v Speaker 7>sooner this is resolved, the better, because it's been going

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<v Speaker 7>on for two years now and it shouldn't go on

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<v Speaker 7>for much longer.

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<v Speaker 3>No, exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>And the other point that we haven't raised is imagine

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<v Speaker 2>liberal donors who gave their heart earned to support the

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<v Speaker 2>Victorian Liberal Party because they're so sick of the Daniel

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<v Speaker 2>Andrews just into Alan show. I mean, how would they

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<v Speaker 2>feel about their money not being used for campaigning and

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<v Speaker 2>being used to pay John Persuto's legal fees and you

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<v Speaker 2>know it is alone, but who knows how long it

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<v Speaker 2>would take to pay it back if this decision is made.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, let's return to the shadow ministry. Now look

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<v Speaker 2>highly factional, as I said, with Susan Lee's backers rewarded

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<v Speaker 2>and those who didn't vote for her dumped despite their

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<v Speaker 2>clear talent. Rich I mean, I've got Dave Sharma and shortly.

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<v Speaker 2>But wouldn't he have been better in foreign affairs instead

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<v Speaker 2>of Michaylia Cash who has no interest in foreign policy

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm told she was happy to stay as Attorney general.

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<v Speaker 6>Oh look, I find these these selections in the shadow

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<v Speaker 6>ministry bizarre, just playing bizarre. Of course Sharma would have

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<v Speaker 6>been better. Sharma's not only someone with a tremendous record

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<v Speaker 6>in foreign affairs as an example, but also someone who

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<v Speaker 6>can speak on anything. He's one of those very talented guys.

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<v Speaker 6>And I'm amazed that they would would would would downplay

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<v Speaker 6>somebody as good as that. But that seems to be

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<v Speaker 6>a pattern this. If I can use a terrible swear

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<v Speaker 6>word this whole.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's swear on live television, not actually swear on live

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<v Speaker 2>television to be us out.

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<v Speaker 6>You can handle it. It's us up, that's the problem

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<v Speaker 6>with it.

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<v Speaker 3>I can handle that. That's all right.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, that's as far as I'm going. But that's what

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<v Speaker 6>it is. You know, they just turned things upside down

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<v Speaker 6>and it looks wrong, and it looks wrong, you're never

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<v Speaker 6>going to fix it. Things are hard enough in politics

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<v Speaker 6>if they look perfect. If they just look terrible, then

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<v Speaker 6>I think you're in all sorts of strife. So I

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<v Speaker 6>don't know. Dave's a great friend of mine, a great fella,

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<v Speaker 6>but they're going to have to look after him better

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<v Speaker 6>than this.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I agree, you're on fire tonight, rich O, making

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<v Speaker 2>really good points, Mike.

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<v Speaker 3>It's true though, isn't it.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's pretty brutal and politically unwise that four

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<v Speaker 2>talented women have been dumped or demoted.

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<v Speaker 8>No, I don't agree with any of that. No, I

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<v Speaker 8>don't agree with Richie either.

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<v Speaker 7>Come I, well, of course some talented women have been demoted,

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<v Speaker 7>with some talent women have been promoted as well.

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<v Speaker 8>So I think Susan Lee's done a pretty good job.

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<v Speaker 7>I mean, in difficult circumstances, you're you're always going to

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<v Speaker 7>have people unhappy. And John how used to famously allegedly

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<v Speaker 7>said once that ministerial shadow ministerial reshuffles are never good

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<v Speaker 7>for the political health of the leader because those you

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<v Speaker 7>promote don't give you unique credit because they think they

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<v Speaker 7>should have been promoted years before. Those you leave in

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<v Speaker 7>their positions are unhappy because they think they should have

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<v Speaker 7>been promoted. And of course those you don't promote, they're angry.

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<v Speaker 7>And those and those that don't get on the ladder

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<v Speaker 7>at all. They're angry too so and then you get

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<v Speaker 7>all the commentary around, you know, you know riches, Sha

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<v Speaker 7>likes Dave and Bertha likes Fred and I mean, you know,

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<v Speaker 7>these are not this is not science, it's not two

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<v Speaker 7>plus two. These are matters of opinion. And I think overall,

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<v Speaker 7>Suasan Le's done a pretty good job. Obviously, there are disappointments,

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<v Speaker 7>and friends of mine have been promoted, some friends that

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<v Speaker 7>might have been demoted. That's that's that's just politics, you know,

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<v Speaker 7>Paron ask Susan's done a very.

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<v Speaker 8>Good job in a very very difficult climate.

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<v Speaker 2>Look, I take that you probably don't want to publicly

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<v Speaker 2>criticize the Liberal Party on live television as well, Michel.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm guessing there's an element of that.

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<v Speaker 7>In there, because I don't think I need to because

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<v Speaker 7>I don't agree with you, because.

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<v Speaker 3>Because we're doing it for you, we're doing it for.

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<v Speaker 7>I agree with you. I think Susan Lee's done a

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<v Speaker 7>very good job. By the way, that's what I'm not criticizing.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, all right, fair enough, Well, there's also the

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<v Speaker 2>question of how long she'll actually be in her job

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<v Speaker 2>with so many enemies and with half the party not

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<v Speaker 2>supporting her in any case, David Little proud as well.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, we know Susan Lee upset a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>key Liberals today. On the national side, there's Barnaby Joyce,

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<v Speaker 2>Matt Canavan and Michael Cormack.

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<v Speaker 3>Are pretty unhappy. Richo.

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<v Speaker 2>In all seriousness, who do you think Alban Easy will

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<v Speaker 2>be fighting at the next election, Susan Lee or someone else.

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<v Speaker 6>I think there's more chance of in having to fight

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<v Speaker 6>Hasty than there is anybody else. Hasty is young, yes,

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<v Speaker 6>and many might say too young, but he's very talented,

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<v Speaker 6>looks the part, sounds the part. I think he'd like

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<v Speaker 6>a pretty good show of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Michael, would you agree this is a placeholder team? Unlikely

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<v Speaker 2>Susan Lee will actually take the Liberal Party to the

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<v Speaker 2>next election.

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<v Speaker 8>No, I don't agree with that at all.

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<v Speaker 7>You beware the underestimated leader. I mean, you know, no

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<v Speaker 7>one thought Tony Abbott would be leader. No one thought

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<v Speaker 7>Reagan could win an election, no one thought Balty could

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<v Speaker 7>win an election, Bilkie Peterson, no one thought John Howard.

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<v Speaker 8>Would be Prime minister. I mean, these sort of predictions.

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<v Speaker 7>Two weeks after she's got the job, She's been through

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<v Speaker 7>a very difficult personal situation obviously, and we're dealing with

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<v Speaker 7>these nets.

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<v Speaker 8>Who lost the plot.

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<v Speaker 7>There for a few days. I think Susan Leed has

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<v Speaker 7>done a very good job in this climate. To be honest,

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<v Speaker 7>I think she'll be there at the next election. What

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<v Speaker 7>we've promoted a woman, everyone's getting stuck into her.

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<v Speaker 8>You know, she's got three the full leadership.

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<v Speaker 3>This is not a genus.

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<v Speaker 8>Three full of the leadership team are women.

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<v Speaker 3>Michael, and she's done.

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<v Speaker 8>A very good job.

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<v Speaker 2>Mike, I really don't want to be personally unkind, but

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, Richo, I'll ask you to do it.

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<v Speaker 3>Then, Richo, what do.

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<v Speaker 2>You think of Michael Kroger's comparison just then between Susan

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<v Speaker 2>Lee and Ronald Reagan, Tony Abbott and John Howard.

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<v Speaker 6>It's a bit of a joke, that has to be.

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<v Speaker 6>Michael's a very funny fella, and I think he's demonstrating

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<v Speaker 6>this sense of humor that he has because if it's not,

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<v Speaker 6>if he's not saying it as a sense of him,

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<v Speaker 6>God help him, he's in all sorts of trouble.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, Richie, you know.

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<v Speaker 8>Better than anyone.

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<v Speaker 7>John Howard's career was over after the eighty seven election,

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<v Speaker 7>he was mister eighteen percent.

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<v Speaker 8>Everyone raided him off.

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<v Speaker 7>They said he had no chance at all of ever

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<v Speaker 7>being leader or Prime minister, and look what happened to

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<v Speaker 7>John Howard. I'm not comparing Susan Leader to Ronald Reagan,

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<v Speaker 7>by the way. I'm just making the point that there

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<v Speaker 7>have been many center right leaders over the generations who

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<v Speaker 7>have been written off by the experts we have in

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<v Speaker 7>the political world.

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<v Speaker 8>You know, these career as journalists who are experts.

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<v Speaker 7>In politics, and they've been surprised on many occasions, and

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<v Speaker 7>I think they'll be surprised by Susan Lee.

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<v Speaker 2>Look if she beats Albanezi at the next election, no

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<v Speaker 2>one would.

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<v Speaker 3>Be happier than I would. So good luck to us.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's have a look at what Santos boss Kevin Gallagher

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<v Speaker 2>said today. He compared investing in Victoria to a totalitarian state.

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<v Speaker 2>He told a conference, have a look.

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<v Speaker 9>But if I think about Queensland, Northern Territory, South Australia,

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<v Speaker 9>Western Australia, these are actually very supportive jurisdictions. They're very

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<v Speaker 9>development friendly. Victoria, Victoria, North Korea, They're in a different

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<v Speaker 9>categories altogether.

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<v Speaker 2>Rich O Business investment in Victoria is becoming a major

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<v Speaker 2>problem under just sent Alan.

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<v Speaker 6>I think that there's a bit of truth in that.

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<v Speaker 6>I think her predecessor went a little bit too far,

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<v Speaker 6>and I think she's been reluctant to undo anything Andrews did.

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<v Speaker 6>But I think this is one she needs to look at.

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<v Speaker 6>There needs to be I think some easing up of regulation.

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<v Speaker 6>I think there needs to be a change of heart,

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<v Speaker 6>change of mind. Labor's got to be seen to be

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<v Speaker 6>able to help. Development has to be If you have

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<v Speaker 6>seen the retard development, then you've got Buckley the winning

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<v Speaker 6>an election.

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<v Speaker 2>Victoria. Mike, I mean, how bad is it getting in

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<v Speaker 2>Victoria at the moment.

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<v Speaker 3>Perpect?

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<v Speaker 8>No, it is. It is very bad.

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<v Speaker 7>Almost half the taxi comes from the property's secret. It's

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<v Speaker 7>the highlst in Australia. The worrying thing, Sharry is the

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<v Speaker 7>gross debt in Victoria looks to me like it's going

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<v Speaker 7>to get to around three hundred billion dollars by the

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<v Speaker 7>end of this Decade's that's.

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<v Speaker 8>The gross debt.

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<v Speaker 7>The official figures are sort of two sevity, but they're

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<v Speaker 7>built on some rosy assumptions that saw these Lake has

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<v Speaker 7>pulled apart in the financial view on the last few days.

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<v Speaker 7>So Victoria is an economic basket case. You know, Alan

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<v Speaker 7>Bond and Chris Gate would be looking down and saying,

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<v Speaker 7>well done, my child. Did you said she's bankrupted this state.

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<v Speaker 7>It's not business friendly. The property taxes are through the roof.

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<v Speaker 7>The property sector will slow in Victoria because there are

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<v Speaker 7>just no margins for them and we have to to

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<v Speaker 7>riche you'll remember it. Former Labor centenator Robert Ray once

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<v Speaker 7>described Victoria as the Albania of the South Pacific. So

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<v Speaker 7>we've gone from Albanian out of North Korea. So I

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<v Speaker 7>don't know whether that's a step up or a step down,

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<v Speaker 7>but yeah, Shari, it's a down.

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<v Speaker 3>Here, no indeed.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Well, you are quite funny tonight, Michael, Michael Croker,

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<v Speaker 2>Gray Rich not intending to be.

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<v Speaker 7>I would just stay tuned, Shari. I think certainly Will

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<v Speaker 7>Will will defeat all of the critics, and so far

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<v Speaker 7>she's done a very good job.

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<v Speaker 6>Hey, you are being funny.

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<v Speaker 4>Well we'll be.

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<v Speaker 3>Here next week.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, thank you both, And let's continue with that

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<v Speaker 2>conversation about the coalition's shadow ministry. Now ready spoken about

0:24:14.280 --> 0:24:17.000
<v Speaker 2>the women who were dumped and tomted, but let's return

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<v Speaker 2>to this bad decision over Dave Sharma, I mean, one

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<v Speaker 2>of the coalition's sharpest minds and brightest figures. He's the

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<v Speaker 2>former Australian Ambassador to Israel. He's got business, diplomatic and

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<v Speaker 2>political experience, not to mention his score of one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>back when he did the HC. Yet instead of being

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<v Speaker 2>given a prominent portfolio, Susan Lee appointed him the Shadow

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<v Speaker 2>Assistant Minister for Competition.

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<v Speaker 3>Charities and Treasury.

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<v Speaker 2>He would have been better, as we just spoke about,

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<v Speaker 2>in foreign affairs. He's not even in shadow cabinet and

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<v Speaker 2>he's on the same level as Josell Captirian, who hasn't

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<v Speaker 2>even won the seat of Bradfield against a Deeal. The

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<v Speaker 2>recount is still going on and Dave Sharma, who I'm

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<v Speaker 2>sure will be blushing from that introduction, joins.

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<v Speaker 3>Me now, Dave, ah sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Look, it's impossible to say this is a good shadow cabinet.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not based on merit but on politics. That's disappointing,

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<v Speaker 2>isn't it.

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<v Speaker 10>Look I respectfully, I don't agree. Putting together a shadow

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<v Speaker 10>cabinet is not an easy thing to do. You've got

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<v Speaker 10>to balance, you know, state gender, you know, ideology in

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<v Speaker 10>many respects to put forward the most diverse and competent

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<v Speaker 10>and capable cabinet you can. And of course there are

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<v Speaker 10>always going to be people that are disappointed. They are

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<v Speaker 10>always going to be decisions you can second guests or

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<v Speaker 10>individual portfolios that you could say she'd gone to one

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<v Speaker 10>person or another. But I think in the circumstances and

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<v Speaker 10>given the pull of people she had to draw from,

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<v Speaker 10>Susan Lee's done a good job.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean the issue is that the coalition needs the

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<v Speaker 2>best possible team to try win back more than thirty seats.

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't mean to put you on the spot,

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<v Speaker 2>but it must surely be frustrating for you personally, off

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<v Speaker 2>for those who support you, knowing that you have so

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<v Speaker 2>much to contribute and knowing that you have the ability

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<v Speaker 2>to do so, but again you're not being given the responsibility.

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<v Speaker 10>Look, I'm privileged to be a senator for yourself well,

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<v Speaker 10>so it means I can speak on any number of issues,

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<v Speaker 10>as I'm.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure we will tonight.

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<v Speaker 10>I'm looking forward to getting into the portfolio of competition

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<v Speaker 10>and charities, because I do think the lack of competition

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<v Speaker 10>in the Australian economy has been not only a contributor

0:26:29.280 --> 0:26:31.399
<v Speaker 10>to our cost of living crisis, but a huge shag

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<v Speaker 10>on productivity, a huge burden on households. It's been to

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<v Speaker 10>the detriment of workers and ultimately is to the detriment

0:26:38.880 --> 0:26:41.720
<v Speaker 10>of our nation. So I think it's a substantial area

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<v Speaker 10>of policy, and I'm can to get my teeth.

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<v Speaker 1>Stuck into it.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Well, let's speak about one of the areas

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<v Speaker 2>of your expertise, foreign policy. I read an excellent Wall

0:26:51.080 --> 0:26:54.919
<v Speaker 2>Street Journal editorial today which summarizes the difficulties Trump is

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<v Speaker 2>dealing with on the international stage, and it says he

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<v Speaker 2>faces crucial decisions on Russia, Iran, and China. Those adversaries

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<v Speaker 2>are increasingly working together against American interests, and it asks

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<v Speaker 2>will the President send a message of deterrence or weakness? Now, Dave,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, Trump seemed to think that he himself, being

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<v Speaker 2>in the position of president would be enough of a deterrence.

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<v Speaker 3>But that's not what's eventuated.

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<v Speaker 10>No, I think the test is really looming large now, Cherry.

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<v Speaker 10>Will Trump back up his rhetoric and his stated policies

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<v Speaker 10>with actions. I mean, you know, with the Ukraine War,

0:27:35.119 --> 0:27:36.960
<v Speaker 10>he first said it would be finished within a day

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<v Speaker 10>now and really took him at his word for that,

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<v Speaker 10>but then he said within one hundred days, well one

0:27:41.200 --> 0:27:44.000
<v Speaker 10>hundred days past. I think about thirty days ago now,

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<v Speaker 10>and it's clear that to me at least, that Russia

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<v Speaker 10>and President Persian are not taking US proposals for a

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<v Speaker 10>ceasefire seriously. And they just unleashed one of their largest

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<v Speaker 10>barragea Zilon Kiv, Ukraine's capital, over the last three days,

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<v Speaker 10>involving cruise missiles, drone another lethal weaponry.

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<v Speaker 1>They do not seem interested in talks.

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<v Speaker 10>Of course, you know, Zelenski agreed to go in person

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<v Speaker 10>to talks in istanable two weeks ago.

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<v Speaker 1>Putin was a no show. He didn't intend to go along.

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<v Speaker 10>So I think on that file, but also on the

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<v Speaker 10>Iran nuclear file, you know, people are sort of watching

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<v Speaker 10>with bit of breath to see.

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<v Speaker 1>What happens if the talks break down.

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<v Speaker 10>What pressures will the US president bring to bear on

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<v Speaker 10>Iran to make sure that they return to the negotiating

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<v Speaker 10>table or participate in negotiations in good faith. So I think,

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<v Speaker 10>you know, increasingly the credibility of American power, but also

0:28:39.120 --> 0:28:41.040
<v Speaker 10>the Trump administration has been tested.

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<v Speaker 2>He you mentioned the area Loslot from Russia this week.

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<v Speaker 2>And there's also reports that Russia's preparing a big summer

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<v Speaker 2>attack against Ukraine. So Trump's going to have to decide

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<v Speaker 2>whether to fund Ukraine's ability to re arm or else

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<v Speaker 2>Putin will take Ukraine and then we'll be emboldened, and

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<v Speaker 2>and there's the question of what message that would send

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<v Speaker 2>to Beijing.

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<v Speaker 3>David, just want to ask you.

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<v Speaker 2>Before you go about the breaking news reports in the

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<v Speaker 2>New York Times today that US intelligence believes Israel could

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<v Speaker 2>be preparing to carry out an attack on Iran. The

0:29:16.120 --> 0:29:19.880
<v Speaker 2>New York Times is reporting as the Trump administration tries

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<v Speaker 2>to negotiate a nuclear deal with Iran, Nadin Yahoo has

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<v Speaker 2>been threatening to upend the talks by striking Iran's main

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<v Speaker 2>nuclear enrichment facilities. And they say this is according to

0:29:30.960 --> 0:29:34.080
<v Speaker 2>officials briefed on the situation. Now, Dave, we don't know

0:29:34.120 --> 0:29:37.480
<v Speaker 2>if these reports are true, but I mean, you can

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<v Speaker 2>see really that the Israeli government has been frustrated that

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<v Speaker 2>Trump hasn't acted in a stronger way to slow down

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<v Speaker 2>or stop the Iranian nuclear program up until this point.

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<v Speaker 10>Well, look at Israel has now conducted two sets of

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<v Speaker 10>strikes against Iran. Over the past six to nine months,

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<v Speaker 10>both of which were largely directed at disabling arms air

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<v Speaker 10>defenses and making it more vulnerable to future attacks, but

0:30:04.240 --> 0:30:07.080
<v Speaker 10>also sending a clear message that Israel had the capability

0:30:07.080 --> 0:30:09.480
<v Speaker 10>to carry out these attacks. So I think the message

0:30:09.480 --> 0:30:13.720
<v Speaker 10>has been sent already. And you know, it's a regular

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<v Speaker 10>part of israel planning exercises to consider all scenarios, including

0:30:18.760 --> 0:30:20.959
<v Speaker 10>this one, and what they would do, what a military

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<v Speaker 10>option against Iran's nuclear enrichment facilities would look like. Now,

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<v Speaker 10>you know, I wish to see that come about. I'm

0:30:28.160 --> 0:30:30.040
<v Speaker 10>sure the US president doesn't wish to see it come

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<v Speaker 10>without either, but they are watching these negotiations quite closely.

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<v Speaker 10>I think the US around talks are now in their

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<v Speaker 10>fourth or fifth round, and undatively there are elements of

0:30:40.640 --> 0:30:44.160
<v Speaker 10>concern within Israel about whether an agreement will be rich

0:30:44.360 --> 0:30:50.160
<v Speaker 10>and what level of uranium enrichment capability in stockpiles, if any,

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<v Speaker 10>such an agreement will allow.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, we'll keep on that evolving story. Dave Sharma,

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<v Speaker 2>really appreciate your time.

0:30:56.680 --> 0:30:58.040
<v Speaker 3>Thank you.

0:30:58.120 --> 0:31:01.320
<v Speaker 2>Now Still to come, farmers seeking out saying they'll have

0:31:01.400 --> 0:31:04.520
<v Speaker 2>to sell up to pay labors super tax on unrealized

0:31:04.520 --> 0:31:08.280
<v Speaker 2>capital gains. Plus Brendan O'Neil breaks down the misinformation on

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<v Speaker 2>Israeli aid going into Gaza.

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<v Speaker 3>He'll be live after this quick break. Welcome back.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, let's turn to Liverpool, which is reeling after a

0:31:19.840 --> 0:31:24.320
<v Speaker 2>minivan plowed through a crowd of celebrating football fans. Eleven

0:31:24.480 --> 0:31:27.760
<v Speaker 2>are still in hospital. The man who allegedly drove the

0:31:27.840 --> 0:31:32.000
<v Speaker 2>vehicle was arrested on suspicion of attempted murder and drug driving.

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<v Speaker 2>Now to discuss this, Spiked onlines. Chief political reporter Brendan

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<v Speaker 2>O'Neil joins me. Now, Brendan, good to see you again.

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<v Speaker 2>So what do we know now about the man driving

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<v Speaker 2>the vehicle and why he did something so shocking.

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<v Speaker 11>We don't know all that much. We know that he's

0:31:48.640 --> 0:31:51.920
<v Speaker 11>fifty three years years old. We know that he's white

0:31:52.000 --> 0:31:54.960
<v Speaker 11>and British. That's an unusual thing to know this soon on.

0:31:55.080 --> 0:31:58.040
<v Speaker 11>But the police made the very unusual decision to tell

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<v Speaker 11>us the ethnicity of the suspect, which they don't normally do.

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<v Speaker 11>They don't do that after radical Islamist attacks. They never

0:32:06.640 --> 0:32:09.040
<v Speaker 11>say that the person is brown skinned or from a

0:32:09.120 --> 0:32:12.800
<v Speaker 11>Muslim background. So they took this incredibly unusual decision because

0:32:13.080 --> 0:32:16.080
<v Speaker 11>they were so worried about the reaction of ordinary people.

0:32:16.120 --> 0:32:19.320
<v Speaker 11>They thought we would go mad, spread conspiracy theories, maybe

0:32:19.400 --> 0:32:21.960
<v Speaker 11>take to the streets. So it was driven by a

0:32:22.080 --> 0:32:25.080
<v Speaker 11>kind of suspicious impulse on the part of the police

0:32:25.080 --> 0:32:28.400
<v Speaker 11>to release that information so quickly. But that's really all

0:32:28.440 --> 0:32:33.360
<v Speaker 11>we know. We know that's his age, his ethnic background,

0:32:33.720 --> 0:32:36.680
<v Speaker 11>and that he is suspected of drug driving. That's about

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<v Speaker 11>all the information we have. We don't know his name

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<v Speaker 11>yet or we don't know if there was any kind

0:32:40.400 --> 0:32:42.800
<v Speaker 11>of motive or anything like that, so it's up in

0:32:42.840 --> 0:32:46.040
<v Speaker 11>the air. It's a terrible time for Liverpool. This was

0:32:46.080 --> 0:32:49.960
<v Speaker 11>a gathering of complete joy to celebrate Liverpool Football Club's

0:32:50.240 --> 0:32:53.040
<v Speaker 11>winning of the Premier League trophy. So for this to

0:32:53.080 --> 0:32:57.640
<v Speaker 11>happen is horrendous. It's an obscene assault on working class

0:32:57.680 --> 0:33:01.640
<v Speaker 11>Liverpudlians who were celebrating their team, and really has shocked.

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<v Speaker 8>The whole nation.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's just been terrible and actually shocked the whole world.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's something that could happen anywhere in the world.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, a celebrating crowd, unsuspecting and then a van

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<v Speaker 2>trambles through now.

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<v Speaker 3>Brendan as usual.

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<v Speaker 2>You've written a brilliant piece on the response to Israel's

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<v Speaker 2>new initiative to feed the people of Gaza without looting

0:33:23.240 --> 0:33:26.760
<v Speaker 2>from Hamas and without involvement of the United Nations. And

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<v Speaker 2>you write that you would think the activist class would

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<v Speaker 2>be pleased that this news alas, you would be wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>They hate this initiative. Why because Israel is behind it,

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<v Speaker 2>and in their twisted minds so aduled by Israeli phobia,

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<v Speaker 2>everything it does is evil.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, like you say in the.

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<v Speaker 2>Piece, this should be a positive development that's welcomed more

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<v Speaker 2>aid getting in.

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<v Speaker 11>You know, we have seen israel derangement syndrome on full

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<v Speaker 11>display over the past twenty four hours because Israel is

0:33:58.400 --> 0:34:02.360
<v Speaker 11>doing something extraordinary, something almost unheard of, which is that

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<v Speaker 11>it is at war with a neo fascist militia in

0:34:05.360 --> 0:34:08.239
<v Speaker 11>Gaza i e. Hamas. But at the same time, now

0:34:08.360 --> 0:34:11.319
<v Speaker 11>it is bringing in tons and tons of food and

0:34:11.440 --> 0:34:14.520
<v Speaker 11>other essentials to try and assist the civilians of Gaza.

0:34:14.640 --> 0:34:17.080
<v Speaker 11>That is an extraordinary thing for any nation to do.

0:34:17.480 --> 0:34:21.320
<v Speaker 11>And yet the anti Israel set across the Western world

0:34:21.360 --> 0:34:24.480
<v Speaker 11>are attacking Israel for bringing this aid in. They're attacking

0:34:24.560 --> 0:34:27.520
<v Speaker 11>it for circumventing the UN They say that Israel is

0:34:27.560 --> 0:34:30.760
<v Speaker 11>militarizing aid. They say the way it's doing aid is wrong.

0:34:31.440 --> 0:34:35.040
<v Speaker 11>This is just staggering. When Israel enforced a siege on

0:34:35.160 --> 0:34:37.480
<v Speaker 11>Gaza over the past few months, it was accused of

0:34:38.640 --> 0:34:41.720
<v Speaker 11>pushing people towards famine, which by the way, is not true.

0:34:42.040 --> 0:34:44.760
<v Speaker 11>Now that it's feeding the people of Gaza, it's accused

0:34:44.760 --> 0:34:48.479
<v Speaker 11>of militarizing AID and making the situation worse. Israel can't

0:34:48.560 --> 0:34:51.200
<v Speaker 11>do right for doing wrong. Everything it does in the

0:34:51.239 --> 0:34:53.520
<v Speaker 11>eyes of these people is a crime. I think it

0:34:53.560 --> 0:34:58.120
<v Speaker 11>really demonstrates how psychotic Israeli phobia has become, where it's

0:34:58.239 --> 0:35:01.400
<v Speaker 11>just driven by this pure hatred for the Jewish state.

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<v Speaker 3>You just expressed that so beautifully.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't tell you how much I enjoyed listening to

0:35:08.080 --> 0:35:09.719
<v Speaker 2>that answer so articulate.

0:35:09.840 --> 0:35:10.200
<v Speaker 3>Brendon.

0:35:10.840 --> 0:35:14.600
<v Speaker 2>We're also seeing so much misinformation. This lie that fourteen

0:35:14.640 --> 0:35:18.200
<v Speaker 2>thousand babies were starving in the next forty eight hours

0:35:18.200 --> 0:35:20.759
<v Speaker 2>were about to die. It was completely false. The UN

0:35:20.800 --> 0:35:24.000
<v Speaker 2>had to withdraw it. And then we see attacks like

0:35:24.040 --> 0:35:27.680
<v Speaker 2>in Washington, DC last week, when too young israelis one

0:35:27.680 --> 0:35:28.920
<v Speaker 2>of them, not Jewish by the way.

0:35:28.800 --> 0:35:29.480
<v Speaker 3>It were killed.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, how much do you think this misinformation leads

0:35:35.000 --> 0:35:39.279
<v Speaker 2>to the sort of extreme anti Israel sentiment that ends

0:35:39.280 --> 0:35:42.479
<v Speaker 2>in a terror attack like that, there.

0:35:42.440 --> 0:35:45.759
<v Speaker 11>Is definitely a relationship between those two things. And if

0:35:45.800 --> 0:35:47.920
<v Speaker 11>you look at the lie that the UN spread about

0:35:47.960 --> 0:35:51.560
<v Speaker 11>fourteen thousand babies dying in forty eight hours in Gaza,

0:35:51.680 --> 0:35:54.960
<v Speaker 11>completely untrued. It was like a modern day blood libel.

0:35:55.320 --> 0:35:56.920
<v Speaker 11>You know, what they were saying is that the Jewish

0:35:56.960 --> 0:35:59.480
<v Speaker 11>state was just going to sit back and let thousands

0:35:59.480 --> 0:36:02.880
<v Speaker 11>of innocent children die. It was untrue, and it unleashed

0:36:03.280 --> 0:36:06.760
<v Speaker 11>the worst anti Semitism I've seen over the past eighteen months,

0:36:06.800 --> 0:36:11.480
<v Speaker 11>really horrible stuff about child's killing, Israel, the demons of Israel,

0:36:11.800 --> 0:36:14.960
<v Speaker 11>horrendous things. And it's unquestionable to me that that kind

0:36:15.000 --> 0:36:18.839
<v Speaker 11>of misinformation stirs up anti Jewish racism and stirs up

0:36:18.880 --> 0:36:21.560
<v Speaker 11>even the kind of violence that we saw in Washington, DC.

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<v Speaker 11>You know, the really shocking thing Shari at the moment

0:36:24.600 --> 0:36:27.840
<v Speaker 11>is that there is a real famine in Sudan. Tens

0:36:27.880 --> 0:36:30.600
<v Speaker 11>of thousands of children have died there over the past

0:36:30.640 --> 0:36:34.000
<v Speaker 11>two years from malnutrition and hunger. The world is obsessing

0:36:34.160 --> 0:36:37.879
<v Speaker 11>over a phony famine in Gaza and ignoring a real

0:36:37.960 --> 0:36:40.360
<v Speaker 11>famine in Sudan. And if that doesn't sum up the

0:36:40.800 --> 0:36:44.640
<v Speaker 11>hypocrisy and double standards and outright racism of the anti

0:36:44.760 --> 0:36:46.479
<v Speaker 11>Israel mob, I don't know what does.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely and so well said Brendan O'Neil. Thank you very

0:36:51.160 --> 0:36:53.239
<v Speaker 2>much for coming on the show. Love having you on

0:36:53.320 --> 0:36:56.120
<v Speaker 2>as always and keep up the amazing writing. You can

0:36:56.200 --> 0:37:00.480
<v Speaker 2>check Brennan out online now still to come. Far are

0:37:00.480 --> 0:37:04.000
<v Speaker 2>begging Labor to stop their super attacks. They won just

0:37:04.040 --> 0:37:06.520
<v Speaker 2>how much it's going to hurt entire community, saying they'll

0:37:06.560 --> 0:37:08.520
<v Speaker 2>have to sell the family farm.

0:37:08.880 --> 0:37:09.560
<v Speaker 3>That's coming up.

0:37:09.600 --> 0:37:12.160
<v Speaker 2>Plus, I tell you about the plans for the largest

0:37:12.200 --> 0:37:15.960
<v Speaker 2>reunion of Holocaust survivors in Australia and the one thing

0:37:16.200 --> 0:37:19.120
<v Speaker 2>that no one will be allowed to speak about that's

0:37:19.200 --> 0:37:26.600
<v Speaker 2>next This weekend, Australia will host the country's first ever

0:37:26.800 --> 0:37:31.000
<v Speaker 2>Holocaust survivors reunion. The event is organized by Holocaust survivor

0:37:31.120 --> 0:37:34.520
<v Speaker 2>Eddie Bois, the author of the incredible memoir I'm Not

0:37:34.560 --> 0:37:37.880
<v Speaker 2>a Victim, I'm a Survivor, which touches on the first

0:37:37.880 --> 0:37:41.680
<v Speaker 2>five years of his life in the bergen Belsen concentration camp.

0:37:42.200 --> 0:37:44.600
<v Speaker 2>Now New Southwest Premier Chris Mints will be there. The

0:37:44.640 --> 0:37:50.000
<v Speaker 2>Israeli Ambassador Emir Maimon two and to discuss Eddie joins me. Now,

0:37:50.120 --> 0:37:53.600
<v Speaker 2>Eddie's so lovely to see you again. What inspired you

0:37:53.640 --> 0:37:54.800
<v Speaker 2>to organize this event?

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<v Speaker 12>Thank you for inviting me. It all happened at the

0:37:58.920 --> 0:38:03.080
<v Speaker 12>Australia Embassyember Actually I was speaking there to about thirty

0:38:03.120 --> 0:38:09.080
<v Speaker 12>ambassadors that the Australian Australian Ambassador invited me to to do.

0:38:09.320 --> 0:38:14.719
<v Speaker 12>And the same morning I read a newspaper report by

0:38:14.760 --> 0:38:18.560
<v Speaker 12>the Claims Conference in America about the number of survivors

0:38:18.640 --> 0:38:22.000
<v Speaker 12>left in this world, which are to another forty five thousand,

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<v Speaker 12>of two and a half thousand lived in Australia, and

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<v Speaker 12>so there.

0:38:26.080 --> 0:38:29.040
<v Speaker 2>Were two and a half thousand Holocaust survivors in Australia

0:38:29.280 --> 0:38:29.800
<v Speaker 2>still alive.

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<v Speaker 12>Yeah, this is a year ago. I believe it's down

0:38:32.320 --> 0:38:36.640
<v Speaker 12>to about two thousand something two hundred. So I started

0:38:36.640 --> 0:38:39.840
<v Speaker 12>to think about all the antisemitism going on in Sydney

0:38:39.880 --> 0:38:42.520
<v Speaker 12>at the moment, or in Australia at the moment, and

0:38:42.760 --> 0:38:45.600
<v Speaker 12>I get phone calls from survivors, and I've had phone

0:38:45.600 --> 0:38:47.960
<v Speaker 12>calls from matters of our children being scared to go,

0:38:48.200 --> 0:38:51.479
<v Speaker 12>you know, to school by being Jewish. And I thought

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<v Speaker 12>what I should do is have a reunion with survivors

0:38:55.520 --> 0:39:01.680
<v Speaker 12>and let's celebrate. And I started that a totally ambassador

0:39:01.719 --> 0:39:03.040
<v Speaker 12>and he thought of a terrific idea.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and it absolutely is.

0:39:05.440 --> 0:39:08.080
<v Speaker 2>And it's great to see that the Premier is supporting

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<v Speaker 2>it as well. I mean, you know, he has shown

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<v Speaker 2>leadership on anti Semitism, unlike Albanesi.

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<v Speaker 12>Wouldn't you say absolutely? I think, Mike, I'll look at

0:39:20.680 --> 0:39:24.200
<v Speaker 12>it this way. The Premier speaks from the heart. Albanezi

0:39:24.280 --> 0:39:27.479
<v Speaker 12>speaks from his brain, you know, as the Premier means

0:39:27.480 --> 0:39:30.319
<v Speaker 12>what he says. And I had a one on one

0:39:30.320 --> 0:39:32.719
<v Speaker 12>meeting with him in his office and I've got a

0:39:33.080 --> 0:39:36.160
<v Speaker 12>well with him and I really like the man. I

0:39:36.200 --> 0:39:38.400
<v Speaker 12>think he's fantastic and in my opinion, issued be the

0:39:38.400 --> 0:39:39.400
<v Speaker 12>Prime Minister of Australia.

0:39:39.480 --> 0:39:44.000
<v Speaker 2>I agree agree that would be much better situation. Now,

0:39:44.000 --> 0:39:47.640
<v Speaker 2>there's one thing you've told everyone coming to your lunch

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<v Speaker 2>or the survivors that they're not allowed to talk about.

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<v Speaker 3>What is that?

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<v Speaker 12>The Holocaust? We've heard it all. You know there's going

0:39:54.600 --> 0:40:00.200
<v Speaker 12>to be you know, all of course survivors there and

0:40:00.239 --> 0:40:02.799
<v Speaker 12>I say, we've been there, done that. You know, I've

0:40:02.840 --> 0:40:05.480
<v Speaker 12>never read a Holocaust book and I've never seen a

0:40:05.520 --> 0:40:06.320
<v Speaker 12>Holocaust movie.

0:40:06.520 --> 0:40:07.600
<v Speaker 3>You wrote a Holocaust.

0:40:07.800 --> 0:40:09.800
<v Speaker 12>I wrote a Holocaust. That's the only one I read.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, because it's just too painful to revisit the memories

0:40:13.760 --> 0:40:15.520
<v Speaker 2>by watching anything about it.

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<v Speaker 12>I'm generally not an emotional person, but I do get

0:40:20.160 --> 0:40:24.040
<v Speaker 12>a bit emotional when I see and hear certain things.

0:40:24.080 --> 0:40:28.160
<v Speaker 12>What people say about Jews, you know, and I think

0:40:29.719 --> 0:40:34.120
<v Speaker 12>there's eight billion people in this world, it's only fifteen million, juice.

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<v Speaker 12>I just want to know why this antisemitist and what.

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<v Speaker 3>It's all about, Eddie.

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<v Speaker 2>If there are Holocaust survivors watching and they aren't coming

0:40:45.160 --> 0:40:47.399
<v Speaker 2>to your event because you've got one in Melbourne and

0:40:47.480 --> 0:40:50.080
<v Speaker 2>in Sydney on Sunday lunch, how can they find out

0:40:50.080 --> 0:40:50.680
<v Speaker 2>more information?

0:40:51.800 --> 0:40:57.879
<v Speaker 12>Send an email to Survivor's Reunion twenty twenty five at

0:40:57.920 --> 0:40:58.880
<v Speaker 12>gmail dot com.

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<v Speaker 2>Survivors Union twenty twenty five at gmail dot com. All right,

0:41:04.440 --> 0:41:07.560
<v Speaker 2>and if you didn't get that, hopefully rewind your television.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Eddie Bowis really appreciate your time. Thanks, thank

0:41:10.160 --> 0:41:10.880
<v Speaker 2>you for inviting me.

0:41:10.880 --> 0:41:12.520
<v Speaker 3>Thank you now.

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<v Speaker 2>Coming up after the break, Desperate farmers speak out about

0:41:16.280 --> 0:41:20.360
<v Speaker 2>Labour's tax on unrealized capital gains amid fears the family

0:41:20.440 --> 0:41:22.360
<v Speaker 2>farm is now under threat.

0:41:22.600 --> 0:41:27.759
<v Speaker 3>That's next welcome back.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, many farmers are going to be hurt by the

0:41:29.760 --> 0:41:34.960
<v Speaker 2>Albanese government's tax on unrealized capital gains. The National Farmers

0:41:35.000 --> 0:41:38.880
<v Speaker 2>Federation is so concerned that they're now speaking out warning

0:41:38.920 --> 0:41:41.960
<v Speaker 2>that a higher tax burden could lead farmers to have

0:41:42.040 --> 0:41:44.880
<v Speaker 2>to sell up. And joining me now to discuss this

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<v Speaker 2>is the president of the National Farmers Federation.

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<v Speaker 3>David Jokinki.

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<v Speaker 2>David, thank you very much for your time.

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<v Speaker 3>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>The Self Managed super Fund Association has told a Senate

0:41:55.320 --> 0:42:00.160
<v Speaker 2>inquiry that examined this legislation at about seventeen thousand for

0:42:00.200 --> 0:42:03.640
<v Speaker 2>accounts hold farmland and out of that to about three

0:42:03.719 --> 0:42:07.120
<v Speaker 2>and a half thousand have more than three million dollars

0:42:07.200 --> 0:42:10.520
<v Speaker 2>in their super fund. So can you explain how this

0:42:10.640 --> 0:42:13.000
<v Speaker 2>would disproportionately affect farmers.

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<v Speaker 13>Essentially, farmers want to make sure that they're not a

0:42:18.160 --> 0:42:23.000
<v Speaker 13>burden on society, especially when they retire, and many farmers

0:42:23.000 --> 0:42:24.600
<v Speaker 13>who have been in the industry for a long time

0:42:24.680 --> 0:42:27.040
<v Speaker 13>have been working on what they call succession planning. Is

0:42:27.080 --> 0:42:29.600
<v Speaker 13>that's to make sure they've got their farm in a

0:42:29.640 --> 0:42:32.319
<v Speaker 13>ready state to hand to the next generation. And as

0:42:32.360 --> 0:42:34.680
<v Speaker 13>a part of that, they are very concerned about how

0:42:34.800 --> 0:42:38.200
<v Speaker 13>they will get income when they retire once they've finished farming.

0:42:38.640 --> 0:42:40.680
<v Speaker 13>And one of the most legitimate ways, and one of

0:42:40.719 --> 0:42:44.200
<v Speaker 13>the ways that has been strongly promoted through both the

0:42:44.320 --> 0:42:47.359
<v Speaker 13>tax system and also through accounting, was to set up

0:42:47.360 --> 0:42:50.279
<v Speaker 13>your own superannuation fund, put a block of land in

0:42:50.320 --> 0:42:53.319
<v Speaker 13>that fund, and then use that to retire on by

0:42:53.360 --> 0:42:56.680
<v Speaker 13>either leasing to your children or the next generation will

0:42:56.719 --> 0:42:59.560
<v Speaker 13>take over the farm, and then ultimately sell that on.

0:43:00.120 --> 0:43:03.000
<v Speaker 13>And this is where it gets interesting when we talk

0:43:03.040 --> 0:43:07.200
<v Speaker 13>about the proposed tax, is that we believe that any

0:43:07.280 --> 0:43:11.120
<v Speaker 13>tax should be collected when you gain something out of it,

0:43:11.160 --> 0:43:13.920
<v Speaker 13>when you have got benefit, and that benefit would be

0:43:13.960 --> 0:43:16.280
<v Speaker 13>when you crystallize the asset, when you sell the asset.

0:43:16.600 --> 0:43:19.560
<v Speaker 13>But this current proposal is all about if there is

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<v Speaker 13>a change in value that you need to pay that gap,

0:43:23.360 --> 0:43:27.680
<v Speaker 13>pay the uplift of the value that's occurred. And when

0:43:27.719 --> 0:43:30.879
<v Speaker 13>we talk three million dollars, that's essentially one block of land,

0:43:30.920 --> 0:43:35.480
<v Speaker 13>and that block of land is potentially in drought this

0:43:35.560 --> 0:43:37.920
<v Speaker 13>year in many areas of Australia, we're seeing a very

0:43:38.000 --> 0:43:42.279
<v Speaker 13>dry pinch in the southeast especially we're seeing second, if

0:43:42.320 --> 0:43:44.880
<v Speaker 13>not third dry start to the season. And if it

0:43:44.960 --> 0:43:48.120
<v Speaker 13>was applied buck it is proposed to be at the

0:43:48.120 --> 0:43:52.160
<v Speaker 13>start of the financial year, partments would have to stump

0:43:52.239 --> 0:43:55.120
<v Speaker 13>up an increase that they have no ability to pay

0:43:55.600 --> 0:43:58.400
<v Speaker 13>and essentially would put their farm at risk.

0:43:59.080 --> 0:44:01.120
<v Speaker 2>Put their farm at rest. So do you think that

0:44:01.160 --> 0:44:04.400
<v Speaker 2>there will be farms that will have to be sold

0:44:04.440 --> 0:44:08.200
<v Speaker 2>over this businesses that will go under farming businesses?

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<v Speaker 13>Well, I have to find money somewhere, and the selling

0:44:12.800 --> 0:44:15.120
<v Speaker 13>a part of your farm is a very difficult thing

0:44:15.160 --> 0:44:17.880
<v Speaker 13>when you've been planning to either sell it to the

0:44:17.920 --> 0:44:21.440
<v Speaker 13>next generation or use it to crystallize the asset at

0:44:21.440 --> 0:44:23.279
<v Speaker 13>a later date. But to have to sell it to

0:44:23.320 --> 0:44:26.880
<v Speaker 13>pay the tax is an absurdity. And it's the principle too.

0:44:26.719 --> 0:44:28.120
<v Speaker 1>That we're really upset about.

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<v Speaker 13>If the principle is that you have to pay a

0:44:31.680 --> 0:44:34.600
<v Speaker 13>tax when you've got no capacity to pay, just because

0:44:34.640 --> 0:44:37.360
<v Speaker 13>the paper vay is increased, not because the capacity of

0:44:37.400 --> 0:44:42.759
<v Speaker 13>the land has changed or you've got the ability to

0:44:42.840 --> 0:44:46.080
<v Speaker 13>gain money out of it, let's still hold onto the asset.

0:44:46.480 --> 0:44:50.400
<v Speaker 13>The principle of paying for unrealized gains is just absurd.

0:44:50.960 --> 0:44:54.880
<v Speaker 13>And to make it even worse, we're hearing schedules that

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<v Speaker 13>first of all, this three million dollars won't be indexed,

0:44:57.680 --> 0:45:00.920
<v Speaker 13>so that block of land will increase in in value

0:45:01.080 --> 0:45:04.480
<v Speaker 13>over time, meaning that the amount of people that were

0:45:04.480 --> 0:45:08.200
<v Speaker 13>going to get caught by this legislation will be increased.

0:45:08.680 --> 0:45:12.800
<v Speaker 13>And then secondly, once again, the sale of that land

0:45:12.880 --> 0:45:15.360
<v Speaker 13>will have to occur to pay for it, especially these droyes.

0:45:15.400 --> 0:45:19.600
<v Speaker 13>But as anybody who's a student been following, the Treasure

0:45:19.680 --> 0:45:22.960
<v Speaker 13>has given the Prime Minister an exemption to this exact

0:45:23.080 --> 0:45:27.360
<v Speaker 13>rule for any politician that already has a fund won't

0:45:27.400 --> 0:45:30.040
<v Speaker 13>be caught up by this, and it's a double standard,

0:45:30.200 --> 0:45:32.680
<v Speaker 13>it's an absurd rule, and quite frankly, it's something that

0:45:33.000 --> 0:45:36.520
<v Speaker 13>should never get past the Senate, which last time when

0:45:36.520 --> 0:45:39.880
<v Speaker 13>it was presented, the cross benches did join together and

0:45:40.000 --> 0:45:42.400
<v Speaker 13>defeat this bill, and where once again calling on the

0:45:42.440 --> 0:45:46.120
<v Speaker 13>Greens and all those cross benches and the Coalition to

0:45:46.239 --> 0:45:46.839
<v Speaker 13>chuck this out.

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<v Speaker 2>I completely understand how perplexed you are about the fact that,

0:45:52.600 --> 0:45:54.520
<v Speaker 2>because I've been feeling this, and we've been reporting on

0:45:54.600 --> 0:45:57.279
<v Speaker 2>it this week and a couple of weeks ago, and

0:45:57.320 --> 0:45:59.960
<v Speaker 2>even during the election campaign as well, the whole idea

0:46:01.120 --> 0:46:04.879
<v Speaker 2>of taxing an unrealized capital gain. And now as you're

0:46:04.920 --> 0:46:10.080
<v Speaker 2>warning entire generations of farming families and businesses.

0:46:09.600 --> 0:46:11.560
<v Speaker 3>Could be discontinued as a result of this.

0:46:11.640 --> 0:46:14.600
<v Speaker 2>If people have to sell their farms to meet a

0:46:14.719 --> 0:46:18.399
<v Speaker 2>tax liability when their actual farm value hasn't changed, it

0:46:18.400 --> 0:46:19.360
<v Speaker 2>it's only on paper.

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<v Speaker 3>David. There's also the question of valuation. I mean we've

0:46:22.640 --> 0:46:24.600
<v Speaker 3>only got we've got a minute and a half left.

0:46:24.840 --> 0:46:27.799
<v Speaker 2>But the question of valuation, I mean, who's going to

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<v Speaker 2>come around and value property at a higher rate and

0:46:31.120 --> 0:46:33.080
<v Speaker 2>then say, well, you'll have to pay a higher tax

0:46:33.120 --> 0:46:33.479
<v Speaker 2>on this.

0:46:35.080 --> 0:46:35.640
<v Speaker 1>Valuation.

0:46:35.800 --> 0:46:38.879
<v Speaker 13>And even the mere fact that if the valuation goes down,

0:46:39.000 --> 0:46:41.839
<v Speaker 13>just just play at the other scenario. You won't get

0:46:41.840 --> 0:46:44.719
<v Speaker 13>paid in cash. You might get a credit against a

0:46:44.760 --> 0:46:49.040
<v Speaker 13>future liability, but you've had to pay the tax department

0:46:49.400 --> 0:46:51.440
<v Speaker 13>when it's increased, but you don't get paid on the

0:46:51.520 --> 0:46:54.640
<v Speaker 13>decrease like the These are some of the absurdities. And

0:46:54.760 --> 0:46:59.520
<v Speaker 13>so who look after the valuation? Who then a ministers

0:46:59.600 --> 0:47:03.600
<v Speaker 13>or or helps navigate those on the fringe to who

0:47:03.800 --> 0:47:07.560
<v Speaker 13>are approaching the three million dollars for their succession planning needs.

0:47:07.719 --> 0:47:10.840
<v Speaker 13>And then even as a legitimate tool for succession planning,

0:47:10.920 --> 0:47:14.120
<v Speaker 13>that's been taken away from the options once again, It's

0:47:14.120 --> 0:47:15.920
<v Speaker 13>not that we don't want to pay tax, it's just

0:47:15.960 --> 0:47:18.279
<v Speaker 13>when that tax is applied and how it can be

0:47:18.320 --> 0:47:21.359
<v Speaker 13>made fairer. And taxation should be about productivity. It should

0:47:21.400 --> 0:47:23.759
<v Speaker 13>be building a nation, not penalizing the people who have

0:47:23.800 --> 0:47:26.720
<v Speaker 13>worked hard or their farming or even working careers.

0:47:27.200 --> 0:47:31.920
<v Speaker 2>Well, one hundred percent couldn't agree with you more. I

0:47:31.960 --> 0:47:34.440
<v Speaker 2>just want to get your quick response, very quick response.

0:47:34.560 --> 0:47:37.120
<v Speaker 2>Russ Giddens in the City Morning Herald today said, Ah,

0:47:37.120 --> 0:47:40.799
<v Speaker 2>this is just rich, old white man complaining about having

0:47:40.840 --> 0:47:41.720
<v Speaker 2>to pay this tax.

0:47:41.840 --> 0:47:42.799
<v Speaker 3>What's your response to that.

0:47:43.600 --> 0:47:47.600
<v Speaker 13>Obviously, as they say, the pen is might easy plow

0:47:47.719 --> 0:47:50.280
<v Speaker 13>when your desk's are a thousand miles away from the reality,

0:47:51.239 --> 0:47:54.560
<v Speaker 13>your asset doesn't equal your income. In agriculture, you need

0:47:54.560 --> 0:47:55.239
<v Speaker 13>the block of land.

0:47:55.280 --> 0:47:56.279
<v Speaker 1>It's your tool of your trade.

0:47:56.400 --> 0:47:58.440
<v Speaker 13>Is just spanner for your mechanic you need.

0:47:58.800 --> 0:47:59.719
<v Speaker 1>You can't do without it.

0:48:00.080 --> 0:48:03.600
<v Speaker 2>Well said, thank you for speaking up. We'll keep fighting

0:48:04.320 --> 0:48:06.160
<v Speaker 2>and that's all we've got time for today. I'll see

0:48:06.200 --> 0:48:08.000
<v Speaker 2>you tomorrow at eight. And here's Paul Murray