WEBVTT - Sharri | 17 September

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<v Speaker 1>Why On Sky News, this is Sharry Good Evening. Welcome

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<v Speaker 1>to the show tonight. The Labor Party in panic mode

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<v Speaker 1>after polling shows Dutton could win the next election. Well

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<v Speaker 1>it turns out he may not be as unelectable as

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<v Speaker 1>the PM hoped. Meanwhile, Penny One refuses to rule out

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<v Speaker 1>supporting a pro her Musk motion at the United Nations.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to get stuck into this in a minute.

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<v Speaker 1>And an ABC executive today has refused to apologize to

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<v Speaker 1>Heston Russell for doctoring a video in a report accusing

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<v Speaker 1>him of war crimes. This as new claims emerge of

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<v Speaker 1>fabricated evidence that arrogance continues. Also on the show, a

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<v Speaker 1>cover up to avoid implicating a public figure. That's the

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<v Speaker 1>damning findings of a review into the Daniel and Catherine

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<v Speaker 1>Andrews twenty thirteen car crash. Well, one of those in

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<v Speaker 1>the probe will break down these revelations shortly plus, Donald

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<v Speaker 1>Trump breaks his silence. All of a sudden, we heard

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<v Speaker 1>juds being fired in the air, the former president speaking

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<v Speaker 1>candidly about the second attempt on his life. But first tonight,

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<v Speaker 1>a legendary labor figure and the business community are today

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<v Speaker 1>accusing the Albanese government of losing its way. Tonight, as

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<v Speaker 1>we speak, the business community is delivering a damning verdict

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<v Speaker 1>on the Prime Minister, saying he's taking our country backwards

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<v Speaker 1>with a deteriorating economy. In a major speech tonight, the

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<v Speaker 1>Business Council of Australia's Bran Black says Australia is losing

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<v Speaker 1>its way thanks to Labour's workplace laws and industry regulation.

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<v Speaker 2>My message receiving is that wish key that is real

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<v Speaker 2>and all Australia's already feeling in consequence. You be one

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<v Speaker 2>of the twelve hundred plus businesses that close their doors.

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<v Speaker 3>If they're an equidation in July, you feel that if

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<v Speaker 3>you are the employees of those businesses, and you feel

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<v Speaker 3>if you're in Australian worry about future.

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<v Speaker 1>And his sentiment was echoed by the trailblazing Bill Kelty,

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<v Speaker 1>who has made scathing remarks about the current Labor Party

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<v Speaker 1>to leading figures. At a private lunch, he said, what

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<v Speaker 1>we do not need is a self congratulatory government telling

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<v Speaker 1>people they have really cared and looked after them. Pretty

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<v Speaker 1>strong for the man described correctly by the Finn Review

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<v Speaker 1>as one of the architects of Australia's modern prosperity. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>this all comes after the Mineral Council of Australia Chief

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<v Speaker 1>Tanya Constable's attack last week on Labour's ir laws, which

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<v Speaker 1>she called reckless. She said they were bringing conflict to

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<v Speaker 1>the workplace. Well, both Anthony Alberesi and Jim Chalmers are

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<v Speaker 1>in the room tonight as the Business Council ramps up

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<v Speaker 1>its political attack on the government ahead of the next election.

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<v Speaker 1>Already this election is shaping up to be highly competitive.

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<v Speaker 1>Labour had long dismissed Peter Dutton as a serious challenger.

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<v Speaker 1>They shrugged him off as too unpopular to be elected.

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<v Speaker 1>But now his tough exterior and his policy convictions seem

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<v Speaker 1>to suit the times. He's exceeding voters and Labors expectations

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<v Speaker 1>and a Dutton minority government certainly isn't out of the question.

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<v Speaker 1>The seemingly never ending cost of living crisis is hurting

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<v Speaker 1>families and the business community. And in his speech tonight,

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<v Speaker 1>well here's what Bran Black said.

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<v Speaker 2>He should rather feeling confident in that growing posterity.

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<v Speaker 3>Many CEOs feel so we are losing our way instead

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<v Speaker 3>the beases on things that matter. We's having incremental but

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<v Speaker 3>noticeable in such a giving its setbacks and this shouldn't.

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<v Speaker 2>Be smissus talking Australia down. He's a belief by Helsown

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<v Speaker 2>membership that we can and must do Earth for the

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<v Speaker 2>same future generations.

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<v Speaker 1>Now representing Corporate Australia, Black said there needs to be

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<v Speaker 1>cuts to regulation, more flexible workplace laws, simpler planning laws

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<v Speaker 1>for new projects, a more efficient tax system and that's

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<v Speaker 1>just the start. Political editor Simon Benson writes that it's

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<v Speaker 1>taken the Business Council long enough to work out that

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<v Speaker 1>the Albanese government's political agenda was not favorable to economic activity.

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<v Speaker 1>They have now finally woken up and it's come at

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<v Speaker 1>the same time as trade union legend Bill Kelty's intervention.

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<v Speaker 1>He was that Labour needs to dramatically reshape its economic

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<v Speaker 1>agenda to lift productivity, and he's criticized the Albaneze government

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<v Speaker 1>for well, as he says, having no plan and to

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<v Speaker 1>revitalize a near stagnant economy. He's critical of high personal

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<v Speaker 1>income tax brackets and the effects of bracket creep. He

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<v Speaker 1>says people are not impressed by politicians telling them, or

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<v Speaker 1>at least implying that a tax cut has fixed their

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<v Speaker 1>problem paying bills, especially a tax cut that leaves them

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<v Speaker 1>paying more tax than they were two years ago. And

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<v Speaker 1>Kelty paints a realistic picture of the dwindling Australian gene.

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<v Speaker 1>He says for a great number of people, they face

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<v Speaker 1>a world of renting, not home ownership, total marginal tax

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<v Speaker 1>rates including GSD of over fifty percent, and jobs in

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<v Speaker 1>which the real value of their wages have declined. Radical

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<v Speaker 1>policy decisions taken across industrial relations, foreign policy, national security

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<v Speaker 1>and environmental laws are now coming home to roost for

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<v Speaker 1>the Prime Minister, and they well may very well cost

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<v Speaker 1>him the next election.

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<v Speaker 2>Well.

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<v Speaker 1>Now to revelations, the Bayner administration is putting pressure on

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<v Speaker 1>alban Easy to oppose an extreme pro Palestinian motion at

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<v Speaker 1>the United Nations that calls for Israel to immediately withdraw

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<v Speaker 1>from Gaza. Now, to be clear, this motion demands an

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<v Speaker 1>unconditional withdrawal from Gaza. It calls for sanctions and travel

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<v Speaker 1>bands on Israelis and a ban on armed sails to

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<v Speaker 1>the Jewish State. It also supports global boycotts on Israeli companies.

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<v Speaker 1>That is just simply racist and anti Semitic. It can't

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<v Speaker 1>be described as anything other than pro Hamas. And yet

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<v Speaker 1>again this demonstrates how the United Nations is a discredited

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<v Speaker 1>body that no longer protects the very people it was

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<v Speaker 1>created to act as a guardian over this UN motion

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<v Speaker 1>would mean forgetting about the hostages and allowing a terror

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<v Speaker 1>group to remain in control, free to commit massacres of

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<v Speaker 1>Jews over and over again. It's absurd that the Americans

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<v Speaker 1>have to pressure Australia to vote down this UN motion.

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<v Speaker 1>Australia was once a sound and rational, reliable international partner

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<v Speaker 1>that could be relied on to be a friend of Israel,

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<v Speaker 1>now no longer. Now Pennywang hasn't said whether Australia will

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<v Speaker 1>support this or not, but that it's even a consideration

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<v Speaker 1>is unthinkable. She declined to comment today when we contacted

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<v Speaker 1>her office. The coalition's position is that alban Easy and

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<v Speaker 1>Penny Wang should categorically oppose this UN motion and really

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<v Speaker 1>this is a statement of the obvious. But here was

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<v Speaker 1>Shadow Foreign Affairs Minister Simon Birmingham on Pete Stefanovick this

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<v Speaker 1>morning and he made the point that this is a

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<v Speaker 1>one sided motion that the government just shouldn't support.

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<v Speaker 4>It is a motion that would be deeply counterproductive to

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<v Speaker 4>long term peace efforts. And it's an entirely one sided

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<v Speaker 4>motion that makes no mention at all of Hamas of

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<v Speaker 4>the horrors and atrocities committed back on October seven last year,

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<v Speaker 4>or of the hostages who have now continued to be

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<v Speaker 4>held for almost a year.

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<v Speaker 1>And importantly, Birmingham pointed out how Australia is now becoming

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<v Speaker 1>out of step with our closest international ally, the United States.

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<v Speaker 4>The decision for the Albanesi government should be clearcut, that

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<v Speaker 4>should be to oppose it, to stand with friends in allies,

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<v Speaker 4>and to continue to support long standing bipartisan policy in

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<v Speaker 4>Australia about how we ultimately negotiate a two state solution

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<v Speaker 4>for Israel and the Palestinian people.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, Colin Rubinstein, who'll join me here on the show tonight,

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<v Speaker 1>he says the UN motion and support setting up an

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<v Speaker 1>international Commission of inquiry that would effectively dismantle Israel as

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<v Speaker 1>a Jewish national home. He calls this an ultra extreme motion.

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<v Speaker 1>He says it would be the ultimate reward for terrorism,

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<v Speaker 1>turning October seven into a victory for Hermas. And Colin

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<v Speaker 1>Rubinstein says, mass murder, rape, and torture would not be punished. Instead,

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<v Speaker 1>they would become the successful Palestinian tactics that prompted the

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<v Speaker 1>international community to attempt to impose via coercion all the

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<v Speaker 1>extremist demands of the Palestinian leadership. It's bewildering how terrorism

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<v Speaker 1>has come to be excused by the international community, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's a sad indictment on the United Nations. The very

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<v Speaker 1>organization set up to protect Jews in the wake of

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<v Speaker 1>the Holocaust, it now perpetuates anti Semitism and acts as

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<v Speaker 1>a vehicle for bloodthirsty terrorists and evil regimes like Iran

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<v Speaker 1>seeking to dismantle the Jewish state. How has this come

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<v Speaker 1>to pass? As I said, I'll be speaking with Colin

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<v Speaker 1>Rubinstein about the UN vote later in the show, but

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<v Speaker 1>now let's bring in our regular Tuesday panel, former Speaker

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<v Speaker 1>of the House Bronn Bishop and Sky News host Caleb Bond.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to you both. Look, I want to start by

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<v Speaker 1>getting your reaction to the news. It's unfolding as we

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<v Speaker 1>speak the Business Council dinner, the fact that the Business

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<v Speaker 1>Council is now turning on the Albanesi government Brunwan. Back

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty twenty two, Albanesi promised he was going to

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<v Speaker 1>be a pro business prime minister. Well it's taken the

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<v Speaker 1>BCA a long time to realize that that's actually not

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<v Speaker 1>the case.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, Alberzi made a lot of promises, didn't he before

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<v Speaker 5>he's elected. I don't think one of them has been

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<v Speaker 5>delivered except to the trade unions. That's the only promises

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<v Speaker 5>he's delivered in So I'm very pleased to see that

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<v Speaker 5>the Business councilor is finally coming to its senses, dare

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<v Speaker 5>I say, and realizing that this government is absolutely in

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<v Speaker 5>their not in their interest at all. And I think

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<v Speaker 5>they're making a strong case. And I watched Albanezi's response

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<v Speaker 5>to the draft being leaked out and getting the points

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<v Speaker 5>coming out, and I can only describe it as pathetic.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, he stands there when people are hurting, when

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<v Speaker 5>inflation is still sticky, when people are being talked about

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<v Speaker 5>of losing their houses, and he talks about for each other,

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<v Speaker 5>lowering the cost of childcare and free medicine or words

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<v Speaker 5>to that effect, and people just listen to these words

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<v Speaker 5>as if he's proud of what he's achieved, which is nothing.

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<v Speaker 5>So it is important that the Business Council will come

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<v Speaker 5>out and say that what you're doing is destroying this country.

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<v Speaker 5>Two surpluses charmbers.

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<v Speaker 1>Start and by the way, comments supported by Bill Keilty absolutely.

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<v Speaker 5>Remember well, bro I do remember well, and I do

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<v Speaker 5>remember that he and Bob Hawk with their accord was

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<v Speaker 5>aimed at stabilizing and brings them wages claims down so

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<v Speaker 5>that you could beat inflation and start to have people

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<v Speaker 5>have faith in the ability of their door to buy

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<v Speaker 5>the things that they need. All we're doing now is

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<v Speaker 5>with the wages chasing infletion is people have more money

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<v Speaker 5>in their pocket, but it buys lets, it can't pay

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<v Speaker 5>the bills.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a very different labor government what we're seeing today

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<v Speaker 1>from the Wholke Keeting era.

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<v Speaker 6>You know it was very different and understatement speak well, this.

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<v Speaker 1>Is a radical left government. You know, it's not mainstream

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<v Speaker 1>at all. Even under Kevin Rudd labor was much more mainstream.

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<v Speaker 1>Caleb correct.

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<v Speaker 6>And you know the fact that the Business Council is

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<v Speaker 6>speaking out. I mean fights between business and labor are

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<v Speaker 6>not a new thing. But what it indicates is a

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<v Speaker 6>lack of business confidence right now, and a lack of

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<v Speaker 6>business confidence ultimately leads to less investment and less employment,

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<v Speaker 6>and that will be the biggest issue for the government here.

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<v Speaker 4>Potentially.

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<v Speaker 6>One of the things that's been spoken about tonight at

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<v Speaker 6>the dinner is the collective bargaining multi employer bargaining that

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<v Speaker 6>has come in as part of the government's IR laws. Now, interestingly,

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<v Speaker 6>that's something that actually benefits in some ways big business

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<v Speaker 6>over small business, So it's interesting that the BCA is

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<v Speaker 6>speaking out about it. But ultimately what it means is

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<v Speaker 6>that businesses that perhaps cannot afford to pay the higher

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<v Speaker 6>wages that a larger employer could absorb get put out

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<v Speaker 6>of the system. You move them out of the system. Well,

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<v Speaker 6>where those people going to go to work? And that

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<v Speaker 6>will ultimately be the problem. The union's now talking about

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<v Speaker 6>setting up a work Choices style campaign when it comes

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<v Speaker 6>to the next federal election. Good luck to them. The

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<v Speaker 6>Coalition and the Business Council have to run a campaign

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<v Speaker 6>on if you want a job, you have to defeat

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<v Speaker 6>these IR laws.

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<v Speaker 1>You think that would be a fight coalition would welcome.

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<v Speaker 1>Well let's turn now to the shocking allegations against the

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<v Speaker 1>ABC that they doctored gunshot audio on a story that

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<v Speaker 1>accused the retired Special Forces soldier Heston Russell of war crimes.

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<v Speaker 1>We spoke about this at length last night on the show.

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<v Speaker 1>Well today Heston Russell has doubled down and he's accused

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<v Speaker 1>the ABC of fabricating more footage. Here's that breaking news

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<v Speaker 1>this afternoon.

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<v Speaker 7>But mister Russell alleged today that another broadcast on the

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<v Speaker 7>flagship seven point thirty report has even more added gunshots.

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<v Speaker 7>How many shots did.

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<v Speaker 8>You count there? It's about eleven or twelve? Do you

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<v Speaker 8>think they should take this down? Absolutely?

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<v Speaker 9>This is completely new audio brought in from somewhere else

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<v Speaker 9>that digging themselves a deeper hole because there's been many

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<v Speaker 9>edits made to sensationalize this story.

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<v Speaker 7>The ABC has been contacted for comment, but mister Heston,

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<v Speaker 7>who's already won a successful defamation case against the broadcaster

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<v Speaker 7>for four hundred thousand dollars, also wants an apology and

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<v Speaker 7>is calling for a parliamentary inquiry into the issue.

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<v Speaker 1>And then, quite amazing timing, the ABC's director of News,

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<v Speaker 1>Justin Stevens, happened to be giving a speech at the

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<v Speaker 1>Melbourne Press Club today and he was asked whether he

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<v Speaker 1>was going to apologize to Heston Russell, and once again

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<v Speaker 1>he refused, he said, I'm not going to preempt that. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>the arrogance here is just unbelievable. Heston Russell now considering

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<v Speaker 1>further legal action against the public broadcaster. But bron When

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<v Speaker 1>Christa in The Nightly wrote a brilliant piece where he

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<v Speaker 1>spoke about Mark Willersey the journalist to arrogance, he said

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<v Speaker 1>he was caught out basically spinning a battlefield rumor into

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<v Speaker 1>a war crime. And I think that really captures the

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<v Speaker 1>nub of what's happened here.

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<v Speaker 5>This is really shocking. The ABC has been doing some

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<v Speaker 5>awful things, but this is just beyond the pale. And

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<v Speaker 5>if they think they can get away with just firing

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<v Speaker 5>some poor person who was in the editing booth and

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<v Speaker 5>letting everybody else float along on, that's not going to wash.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you know?

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<v Speaker 5>It's interesting the staff of the ABC are public servants,

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<v Speaker 5>so they are actually covered by the knack and perhaps

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<v Speaker 5>this is an issue it should be referred to the knack.

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<v Speaker 5>Interesting thought, Well, it's serious enough to because there's an

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<v Speaker 5>academic who wrote who said Stephen Morris, professor of Politics,

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<v Speaker 5>said political corruption is the illegitimate use of public power

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<v Speaker 5>to benefit a private interest. And if a pursuit of

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<v Speaker 5>in the words of mister Stevens today, trying to say

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<v Speaker 5>that journalists seeking to gain acclamation as journalists was.

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<v Speaker 1>A pursuit.

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<v Speaker 5>I think we're getting into very murky territory. I'm not

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<v Speaker 5>making any allegations. I'm just saying that this may matter

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<v Speaker 5>is so serious it cannot be left to the ABC

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<v Speaker 5>to investigate itself. The idea of a parliamentary inquiry is one,

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<v Speaker 5>but perhaps the NACKT does have a role.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and Heston has said there might be further legal action.

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<v Speaker 1>That is something and you considering and talking about with

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<v Speaker 1>Supersanthro and.

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<v Speaker 5>Rebecca Jill as well as not instead of.

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<v Speaker 1>But Caleb, I think a lot of people looking at

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<v Speaker 1>this and they see the errors. They watch that amazing

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<v Speaker 1>spotlight show on Sunday Night on seven that revealed all

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<v Speaker 1>of this, and they think, how can that ABC keep going,

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<v Speaker 1>keep pursuing something to the point where he might nearly

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<v Speaker 1>be on the verge of taking his life, and then

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<v Speaker 1>just refuse to apologize. Well, when it's been found in

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<v Speaker 1>a court of law that they got it wrong.

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<v Speaker 6>Because the ABC is so high and mighty, and many

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<v Speaker 6>of the people who work at the ABC are so

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<v Speaker 6>high and mighty. They believe that they are more superior

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<v Speaker 6>than the rest of us, those who work or work

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<v Speaker 6>in the quote unquote tabloid media or the Murdoch Media

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<v Speaker 6>or the nine media or what you're all scum. We

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<v Speaker 6>at the ABC are above all of you, and so

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<v Speaker 6>they feel like they can do anything without impunity.

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<v Speaker 1>A bottom of correct as willis he said.

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<v Speaker 6>And the problem is, though, that the ABC has engaged

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<v Speaker 6>here in fake news. I mean, this is just absolutely news.

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<v Speaker 6>And I do not for one second by this argument

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<v Speaker 6>that it comes down to an error that was made

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<v Speaker 6>in editing. Right now, you might forgive a print journalist

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<v Speaker 6>who wrote a story and there was a headline that

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<v Speaker 6>went on it that was a little bit misleading, but

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<v Speaker 6>it wasn't the breaking story of the day. Whatever. Right,

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<v Speaker 6>you make a complaint, someone complains about it, you go

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<v Speaker 6>to the subedter, to the subeter apologizes. If you're breaking

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<v Speaker 6>a major exclusive story, whether it's in television, print, online, whatever,

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<v Speaker 6>you go over every single little bit of that before

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<v Speaker 6>it goes to where or is printed, because it's ultimately

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<v Speaker 6>your name is the journalist, your barline that goes next

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<v Speaker 6>to it. I do not buy for a minute that

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<v Speaker 6>other people in the ABC were not aware of the

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<v Speaker 6>fact that was docted. Either they were aware or they

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<v Speaker 6>took very little care in checking the product they were

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<v Speaker 6>going to put to it.

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<v Speaker 1>Just adding there. Of course, the journalists have denied that

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<v Speaker 1>they had anything to do with it. Now, let's have

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<v Speaker 1>a look at the fallout from this freshwater polling that

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<v Speaker 1>suggested a Dutton minority government is within reach for the Coalition. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>Labor is hitting back, going on the defense. They are

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<v Speaker 1>using the line that Darton has extreme right views and

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<v Speaker 1>a lack of policy and that this is going to

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<v Speaker 1>see Poles tighten up closer to the federal election. But Bronwin,

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<v Speaker 1>this is the issue Labor has always believed Albanezy has

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<v Speaker 1>always believed that Peter Dutton is unelectable and so this

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<v Speaker 1>has in a sense given them a bit of protection.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's just not the case.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, they also said the same thing about Tony Abbott.

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<v Speaker 1>They did.

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<v Speaker 5>And when I look at mister Alban Easy, he sometimes

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<v Speaker 5>looks like he's come off on our selection and think

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<v Speaker 5>that this is supposed to be the leader of a

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<v Speaker 5>modern contemporary society.

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<v Speaker 1>Come off what sorry on our selection?

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<v Speaker 5>It's an old movie where it's kind of like Dad

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<v Speaker 5>and Dave.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, I'm in pieces which you have a screening, a

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<v Speaker 1>family screen that's by the bye.

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<v Speaker 5>But I mean other people say, of course, mister Chalmers

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<v Speaker 5>looks like I'm a pile, which is another old television production.

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<v Speaker 5>But to the point, to the point, it is a

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<v Speaker 5>matter of Peter Dutton being very mainstream. He's expressing the

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<v Speaker 5>views that ordinary people see are the way we should

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<v Speaker 5>be going. That labor is taking the country absolutely in

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<v Speaker 5>the wrong direction. You're seeing already people putting themselves out

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<v Speaker 5>to be alternate leaders. You've got Burke out there, you've

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<v Speaker 5>got charmers, and now you've got Blebersec who's busy promoting

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<v Speaker 5>herself as a good left wing candidate. And I was

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<v Speaker 5>fascinated by the words of Kelty in particular that the

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<v Speaker 5>government was losing its way. Yes, of course, I think

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<v Speaker 5>I remember that there were similar words, a good government

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<v Speaker 5>losing its way the put Gillard in place of Rudd.

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<v Speaker 5>So I think there's no accident about some of these

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<v Speaker 5>words being used, and I think there is. I think

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<v Speaker 5>there is time for alban Easy to make some progress.

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<v Speaker 5>But I do think that that Financial Review poll it

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<v Speaker 5>shows that Peter Dutton is possible to get the keys

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<v Speaker 5>to the lodge, is certainly true.

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<v Speaker 1>And there's no question there are people in Labor, particularly

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<v Speaker 1>in marginal Western seats like Tony Burke, who are panicking

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<v Speaker 1>about this Caleb.

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<v Speaker 6>Of course they are, and deservedly so. I mean, the

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<v Speaker 6>great thing about Peter Dutton is that he has been

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<v Speaker 6>so underestimated for such a long time, and polling for

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<v Speaker 6>the better part of a year now has shown that,

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<v Speaker 6>at least on terms of strength, people rate Peter Dutton

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<v Speaker 6>better than the Prime minister. He doesn't necessarily win on popularity,

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<v Speaker 6>but he wins on strength. He wins on understanding issues

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<v Speaker 6>like cost of living, the biggest issues that are around

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<v Speaker 6>right now exactly and ultimately when it comes to an election,

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<v Speaker 6>they are the things that people will be thinking about.

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<v Speaker 6>He's been strong to characterize him as you know, extreme

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<v Speaker 6>right or far right, as Labor is trying to do,

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<v Speaker 6>or at least they believe privately, is nonsense. And if

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<v Speaker 6>that's how they're going to estimate him, well they're on

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<v Speaker 6>a hiding too, don't thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Well, there's such a far left government, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>compared to siss governments, right, They that he would be

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<v Speaker 1>far right to that, you know, compared to Centrius governments,

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<v Speaker 1>like I said, like Rudds, like Gillards, like even State

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<v Speaker 1>Chris Men's and Peter Mullen askus there's very Centrius labor company.

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<v Speaker 6>By the way, Bronwin, I played a bit of Bye

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<v Speaker 6>Bye Birdie on the Sunday show Down the other night

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<v Speaker 6>and Paul chardedly for that. So you're in good company.

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<v Speaker 1>Have to give us a list of the movies to

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<v Speaker 1>catch up on. Brunwin, Bishop and calebind Great to see

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<v Speaker 1>you both well. Today. Let's turn to today's bombshell revelations

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<v Speaker 1>around Daniel Andrews and that infamous crash with the teen

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<v Speaker 1>cyclist Ryan Mulliman will A review by a former police

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<v Speaker 1>assistant commissioner says the investigation into the crash was an

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<v Speaker 1>overt cover up to avoid implicating a political figure. The

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<v Speaker 1>review suggested that the police investigation into the accident was flawed, unfounded,

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<v Speaker 1>and contrary to the available evidence. These are damning findings now. Sadly,

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<v Speaker 1>the commissioner who did that review, doctor Raymond Shuey, died

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<v Speaker 1>in August, just days after completing his final report. The

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<v Speaker 1>review was commissioned by the cyclist's lawyers as part of

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<v Speaker 1>an ongoing Supreme caught damage proceedings into the crash. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>in response, former Premier Daniel Andrews and his wife have

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<v Speaker 1>just this afternoon made a statement. They said, this so

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<v Speaker 1>called report was commissioned by lawyers on behalf of their

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<v Speaker 1>clients who seking money through the courts by suing their

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<v Speaker 1>former lawyers. We are not a party to this legal action.

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<v Speaker 1>We did nothing wrong. This matter has already been comprehensively

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<v Speaker 1>and independently investigated and closed by Victoria police and integrity agencies. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>let's bring in now Colin Robertson. He's a design engineer

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<v Speaker 1>and consultant to the mueller Men family. He's been helping

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<v Speaker 1>them fight for in their eyes justice. Welcome to the show,

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks for your time. Look just how damning are these findings.

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<v Speaker 9>I'll put simply, Shari very damning. Doctor Shuey looked at

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<v Speaker 9>Dr Shuey looked at two main aspects.

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<v Speaker 8>He looked at the.

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<v Speaker 9>Actual crash itself, how it happened and how it didn't happen.

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<v Speaker 9>And he looked at the police investigation. That was another

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<v Speaker 9>area of expertise is police procedure, Police investigation so to

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<v Speaker 9>the first to the first item, the accident itself, he's

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<v Speaker 9>concluded conclusively that it's implausible or impossible for the accident

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<v Speaker 9>to have happened the way that the Andrews and Victoria

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<v Speaker 9>Police that had happened. To the second point, the police

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<v Speaker 9>investigation put simply, there was no investigation.

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<v Speaker 1>So he's concluded this was a cover up to protect

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<v Speaker 1>a public figure, a cover up to protect Daniel Andrews.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the allegation here. Can you point to some of

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<v Speaker 1>the details that doctor Shuey drew on in his reppoint

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<v Speaker 1>to make this claim.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, certainly.

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<v Speaker 9>One of the points that he strongly emphasized was that

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<v Speaker 9>the driver's name was recorded as Catherine Kessick in the

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<v Speaker 9>official police documents and all the other documents, he's referred

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<v Speaker 9>to as Catherine Andrews. Another point that he was very

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<v Speaker 9>firm on as the police failed to provide Peter Melman,

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<v Speaker 9>the father of Ryan, with the driver's details. In fact,

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<v Speaker 9>outright refused to provide those details, which in a matter

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<v Speaker 9>of police procedure, both the driver and in an accident

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<v Speaker 9>and the person who's been hit are entitled to those details.

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<v Speaker 1>You've been involved in this case for the past couple

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<v Speaker 1>of years, you've been helping Ryan's family and Ryan himself,

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<v Speaker 1>creating re enactments, pouring over the evidence. What to you

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<v Speaker 1>is one of the most compelling pieces of evidence that

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<v Speaker 1>indicate there was something wrong with this investigation right from

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<v Speaker 1>the start.

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<v Speaker 9>Well, listen, anyone with the technical background, or in fact

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<v Speaker 9>a functioning brain, when they saw those three grainy photographs

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<v Speaker 9>of the crash damage. The official version, Andrew's version of

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<v Speaker 9>the crash is that Ryan hit them at speed, in

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<v Speaker 9>fact a perfect tea bone. So look at those photos,

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<v Speaker 9>it becomes immediately apparent that the car hit Ryan. In fact,

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<v Speaker 9>Dr Suey has concluded that the car has cut the

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<v Speaker 9>corner or made a sweep turn as he calls it,

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<v Speaker 9>at speed at say forty five kilometers hour, and they

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<v Speaker 9>simply run Ryan down as he's crossed the road.

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<v Speaker 1>Now that these damning findings have been made public, this

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<v Speaker 1>report is finished. Are Ryan and his family looking at

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<v Speaker 1>further legal action? Are they looking at any other complaints

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<v Speaker 1>to other organizations in Victoria?

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<v Speaker 9>Well, listen, I'll emphasize at the start that Ryan's family

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<v Speaker 9>are not looking for monetary compensation, although of course that

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<v Speaker 9>may be an outcome that the current legal action sort

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<v Speaker 9>of leads to they are actually seeking justice for Ryan.

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<v Speaker 9>They want the truth of They want the truth of

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<v Speaker 9>the accident to come out, and they want the public

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<v Speaker 9>to know what happened that day.

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<v Speaker 5>So there is a.

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<v Speaker 9>Current civil action against the lawyers Slater and Gordon who

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<v Speaker 9>represented Ryan against the TAC and the initial accident. But

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<v Speaker 9>the family are also calling for the Victoria Police to

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<v Speaker 9>reopen the investigation in light of doctor Suey's comprehensive forensic

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<v Speaker 9>thirty six page report.

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<v Speaker 1>You wouldn't expect that to happen under the current labor government,

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<v Speaker 1>I suppose.

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<v Speaker 9>Well, look, I guess at this point, let's just say

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<v Speaker 9>they're asking if no action is taken. As my understanding is,

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<v Speaker 9>there are civil remedies, legal action that can be taken

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<v Speaker 9>against Victoria Police and not just the force themselves, but

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<v Speaker 9>the actual officers involved in what doctor Shuey was absolutely

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<v Speaker 9>out of.

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<v Speaker 8>It was a cover up.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so this now is going to have a long

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<v Speaker 1>way to run. As you've just said, there Ryan's family,

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<v Speaker 1>the cyclist family asking Victoria Police reopen its investigation. If not,

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<v Speaker 1>there are other legal avenues to pursue. Colin Robertson really

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<v Speaker 1>appreciate your time. Now after the break, the US is

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<v Speaker 1>pressuring Australia to reject a PROHAMUS UN resolution. Well, how

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<v Speaker 1>can Penny wang possibly support such an extreme proposal that

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<v Speaker 1>ultimately does back terrorism. Colin Rubinstein will join me next,

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<v Speaker 1>and what a surprise, the Prime Minister's social media band

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<v Speaker 1>for kids hits a roadblock with big Tech refusing to

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<v Speaker 1>enforce age checks. All of that still coming up, welcome back. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>the pressure is on Pennywog tonight, and not just from US,

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<v Speaker 1>but from the Biden administration. Biden's own team is urging

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<v Speaker 1>Australia to say no to a draft UN resolution by

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<v Speaker 1>the Palestinian Authority that demands an unconditional withdrawal from Gaza

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<v Speaker 1>and the West Bank, as I spoke about at the

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<v Speaker 1>start of the show, also recommends sanctions against Israel. Now

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<v Speaker 1>Labor is reportedly weighing its position. It should be a

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<v Speaker 1>direct and easy no. Well, to discuss this further, let's

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<v Speaker 1>bring in now Australian Israel Jewish Affairs Council Executive Director,

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<v Speaker 1>doctor Colin Rubinstein. Colin, welcome to the show. Thanks very

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<v Speaker 1>How extreme is this resolution? In your opinion, it's.

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<v Speaker 10>About as extreme as you can get. It's the ultra extreme.

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<v Speaker 10>It's basically calling not only for the isolation of Israel,

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<v Speaker 10>but the delegitimization of Israel and ultimately is dismantling. So

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<v Speaker 10>it's an omnibus resolution got everything in it, all sorts

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<v Speaker 10>of boycotts, economic boycotts, military boycotts, calling Israel apartheid and

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<v Speaker 10>basically calling for the unraveling of Israel and demanding the

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<v Speaker 10>imposition the coercion of Israel to accept the extreme Palestinian

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<v Speaker 10>demand for a state, not calling for negotiations. It upsets

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<v Speaker 10>thirty years of Australian by partisan support, by the way,

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<v Speaker 10>which is very negotiated resolution leading to a two state outcome.

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<v Speaker 10>None of that in this resolution show it should be

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<v Speaker 10>very clear cut for Australia simply devote against it because

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<v Speaker 10>it's so extreme and it's totally counterproductive actually to moving forward,

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<v Speaker 10>because it will only delay the possibility of genuine negotiations

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<v Speaker 10>going forward, not expedite them.

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<v Speaker 1>Apart from the racism or anti semitism of boycotts on

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<v Speaker 1>Israeli companies and depriving Israel of weapons to defend itself

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<v Speaker 1>and to fight terrorists, I think one of the most

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<v Speaker 1>extreme parts of this is the demand for an unconditional

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<v Speaker 1>withdrawal from Gaza. What country in the world would leave

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<v Speaker 1>its own civilians, over a hundred of them just as

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<v Speaker 1>hostages in the arms of terrorists. Who would ever support

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<v Speaker 1>an unconditional withdrawal leaving behind the hostages.

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<v Speaker 10>None, of course, it's completely Israel's right to self defense.

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<v Speaker 10>There's no mention whatsoever of the atrocities of Oclob seven.

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<v Speaker 10>And you know, voting for this or even abstaining it

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<v Speaker 10>away would represent a reward for Hamas terrorism, for the genocidal,

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<v Speaker 10>barbaric tactics and strategy of Comas, and also the Palestinian

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<v Speaker 10>authority which has its pay for slave policy, which also

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<v Speaker 10>incites hatred towards Jews, which needs the radical lising. And

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<v Speaker 10>so it's just totally counterproductive in every possible respect. And

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<v Speaker 10>you know, a country like Australia shouldn't have to think

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<v Speaker 10>twice about rejecting and opposing this resolution, and for the

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<v Speaker 10>Americans to have to even pressure Australia to do this,

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<v Speaker 10>it's not a good look for Australia in terms of

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<v Speaker 10>our relationship with the United States, in terms of our

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<v Speaker 10>standing as a democratic country which should be supporting our

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<v Speaker 10>friends and democratic allies in this situation.

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<v Speaker 1>It shows the weakness of the current alban Ezi government.

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<v Speaker 1>As you say, all Australian governments, it's been bipartisan policy

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<v Speaker 1>for years to support Israel and its right self defense.

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<v Speaker 1>The fact that the Biden administration has come to Australia

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<v Speaker 1>and urge it to reject this motion, and I mean

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<v Speaker 1>it could very well be the position that Pennywong ends

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<v Speaker 1>up abstaining from.

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<v Speaker 10>It, well, that would be very disappointing if Australia can't

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<v Speaker 10>simply reject this resolution. An abstention, unfortunately, would reflect the

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<v Speaker 10>tilt against Israel that we've seen not only since October seven,

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<v Speaker 10>but since this government took power, and it would be

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<v Speaker 10>a very retrogade step, I think for Australia standing in

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<v Speaker 10>our national interests and our national security.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I want to ask you about this story. This

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<v Speaker 1>was originally front page of the Daily Telegraph last week.

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<v Speaker 1>I covered it on my show. It's now in the

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<v Speaker 1>Australian today that the federal government, the alban Ezi government,

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<v Speaker 1>has made available millions of dollars in funding to organizations

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<v Speaker 1>they have to apply for it for grants. One of

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<v Speaker 1>those organizations is UMA United Muslims Australia, which promotes on

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<v Speaker 1>its website one of the hate preachers, Sheikh Dadoune, who

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<v Speaker 1>said the day after October seven attacks that he was elated.

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<v Speaker 1>He was literally celebrating in the streets. What do you

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<v Speaker 1>think about the Albanezi government making available millions of dollars

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<v Speaker 1>in funding to organizations that are promoting hate preachers.

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<v Speaker 10>Look, the program itself is good. It's to enhance security

0:34:32.000 --> 0:34:35.640
<v Speaker 10>of faith organizations, Jewish, Muslim and so on. So the

0:34:35.719 --> 0:34:40.360
<v Speaker 10>program is good. But actually giving grants to organizations with

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<v Speaker 10>who have within them speakers and individuals who actually promote

0:34:45.120 --> 0:34:48.640
<v Speaker 10>hatred and violence is totally counterproductive the whole purpose of

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<v Speaker 10>the program. You don't give grants to those who are

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<v Speaker 10>inciting hatred and violence. That simply undermines the whole purpose

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<v Speaker 10>of the program, which is to enhance the security of community.

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<v Speaker 10>Is an organization. So it's a nonsense proposition. And of

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<v Speaker 10>course I think, as the opposition spokesman correctly put it today,

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<v Speaker 10>this sort of grant should not be given. It's really

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<v Speaker 10>an abomination.

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<v Speaker 1>It really isn't at the same time, failing to crack

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<v Speaker 1>down on hate speech. It's been nearly a year. We

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<v Speaker 1>know the laws need to be improved, and nothing's been done.

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<v Speaker 10>There's certain slackness in granting public money all around front

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<v Speaker 10>the Australian Research Council to a variety of other programs

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<v Speaker 10>designed to enhance social cohesion. You do not give it

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<v Speaker 10>to individuals who enhance racial hatred, racism and even inside violence.

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<v Speaker 10>So we have to have a good look at the

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<v Speaker 10>way in which the taxpace money is spent. I think

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<v Speaker 10>in all of these cases, I just.

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<v Speaker 1>What gets me is that front page of the Daily

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<v Speaker 1>Telegraph in the Australian covering it here on the show,

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<v Speaker 1>and the government just shrugs its shoulders, doesn't care, moves

0:35:55.200 --> 0:35:57.040
<v Speaker 1>on the rest of the media. Let them get away

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<v Speaker 1>with it.

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<v Speaker 10>I don't think the Australia and public will let them

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<v Speaker 10>get away with it. At the end of the day,

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<v Speaker 10>I think we still live in a democracy and you

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<v Speaker 10>can't fill all the people all the time. I really

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<v Speaker 10>feel the Australian public is waking up to the problems

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<v Speaker 10>being inflicted on us. We want to see cohesion. We

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<v Speaker 10>don't want to see programs and policies going to those

0:36:16.160 --> 0:36:20.120
<v Speaker 10>individuals and organizations who are undermining the very fabric of

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<v Speaker 10>our so far cohesive multicultural society. You don't give money

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<v Speaker 10>your support to those who are undermining our commitment to

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<v Speaker 10>the core values of democracy and the security and viability

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<v Speaker 10>and liberty of our society.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely agree, Like I say often, you know, we can

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<v Speaker 1>all have our own opinions as we do. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>democracy on what's happening in the Middle East. But the

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<v Speaker 1>most important thing for all of us is not to

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<v Speaker 1>have racism, not to have violence on our streets, for

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<v Speaker 1>our children to grow up in peace, that those conflicts

0:36:49.239 --> 0:36:52.600
<v Speaker 1>shouldn't be playing out here. We shouldn't be worried for

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<v Speaker 1>everyone's physical safety. Colin Rubinstein really appreciate good time, Thanks

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<v Speaker 1>very much. Now after the break, how a twelve year

0:36:59.560 --> 0:37:02.399
<v Speaker 1>old girl was let down by the school system, her

0:37:02.440 --> 0:37:06.640
<v Speaker 1>family now begging for answers. Plus, Donald Trump speaks out

0:37:06.719 --> 0:37:11.160
<v Speaker 1>after a second failed assassination attempt, with bodycam footage showing

0:37:11.480 --> 0:37:14.799
<v Speaker 1>the moment the gunman was captured by the cops. That's

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<v Speaker 1>coming up, welcome back well. Labour strategists are now panicking

0:37:23.480 --> 0:37:27.279
<v Speaker 1>after the weekends council elections in New South Wales in

0:37:27.400 --> 0:37:31.799
<v Speaker 1>key seats, particularly in western Sydney, voters punished labor and

0:37:31.840 --> 0:37:35.279
<v Speaker 1>they put their preferences and votes with the independents or

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<v Speaker 1>the Greens. Well, let's bring you now Menzies Research Center

0:37:38.600 --> 0:37:42.640
<v Speaker 1>executive director Nick Cater and former Victorian Liberal Party president

0:37:42.800 --> 0:37:47.319
<v Speaker 1>Michael Kroger. Welcome to you both. Michael, what's your read

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<v Speaker 1>on Saturday's local election. We are hearing reports in all

0:37:51.840 --> 0:37:55.040
<v Speaker 1>the papers that Labour's absolutely panicking after the fall in

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<v Speaker 1>their vote. What message does this send to Albanezi.

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<v Speaker 11>Look what's been happening over the last few months is

0:38:01.560 --> 0:38:06.000
<v Speaker 11>it's sour. It's sands through the hourglass, I should say,

0:38:06.280 --> 0:38:10.800
<v Speaker 11>bit by bit, day by day, the vote is ebbing

0:38:10.800 --> 0:38:14.480
<v Speaker 11>away from federal labor. And this is due to just

0:38:14.680 --> 0:38:19.719
<v Speaker 11>massive disappointment by the general populace with their economic performance

0:38:20.440 --> 0:38:25.240
<v Speaker 11>and by various sections and groups within the community anger

0:38:25.280 --> 0:38:28.480
<v Speaker 11>about what they've done. So the mining industry is furious

0:38:28.520 --> 0:38:32.759
<v Speaker 11>about this gold mining decision in New South Wales, the

0:38:32.800 --> 0:38:35.880
<v Speaker 11>business community generally, the furious about industrial relations changes, the

0:38:35.960 --> 0:38:39.680
<v Speaker 11>Aboriginal community of furious that he's dumped out the Macaratic Commission,

0:38:39.800 --> 0:38:44.200
<v Speaker 11>and on and on it goes. So it's just massive disappointment.

0:38:44.360 --> 0:38:46.400
<v Speaker 11>It's a B grade government you can see it and

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<v Speaker 11>every electoral result, whether it's New South Wales and Northern

0:38:48.960 --> 0:38:52.680
<v Speaker 11>Territory or Shari next month, it's also going to then

0:38:52.719 --> 0:38:56.640
<v Speaker 11>translate into Queensland. So I think the electorate are over

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<v Speaker 11>Labor and I think petered Up is probably the favorite.

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<v Speaker 8>Now to become Prime Minister after the next election.

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<v Speaker 1>And that is a prediction that Mare and Mara are making.

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<v Speaker 1>But Nick, it's interesting that at least with these council elections,

0:39:10.920 --> 0:39:13.960
<v Speaker 1>the vote from Labor didn't go to the Liberal Party.

0:39:14.000 --> 0:39:17.399
<v Speaker 1>It went to the Greens or to Independence in their

0:39:17.440 --> 0:39:19.680
<v Speaker 1>heartland seats. What does this tell you? Do you think

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<v Speaker 1>this is about the Gaza issue?

0:39:21.520 --> 0:39:24.759
<v Speaker 8>Well, I think yes, it was about Gaza. I think

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<v Speaker 8>we've got to be cautious about how we interpret this

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<v Speaker 8>because I've got to remember, of course, the Liberal Party

0:39:29.480 --> 0:39:33.520
<v Speaker 8>stuffed up really badly and didn't get candidates in a

0:39:33.520 --> 0:39:36.000
<v Speaker 8>lot of those seats. So many of those many of

0:39:36.040 --> 0:39:38.279
<v Speaker 8>those councilarious, many of those wards there would be no

0:39:38.920 --> 0:39:42.240
<v Speaker 8>Liberal Party candidate. But this is seriously troubling for Labor

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<v Speaker 8>because you know, traditionally the Green vote holds up about

0:39:46.160 --> 0:39:48.680
<v Speaker 8>as far as Alburns. For people who know Sydney and

0:39:48.719 --> 0:39:50.719
<v Speaker 8>then it drops right off a cliff. And yet it's

0:39:50.760 --> 0:39:55.120
<v Speaker 8>in those far west, in the Western Sydney regions that

0:39:55.160 --> 0:39:58.439
<v Speaker 8>it's picked up where it's normally isn't high. In one way,

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<v Speaker 8>I think nobody couldn't be pleased with himself in the

0:40:01.640 --> 0:40:04.000
<v Speaker 8>sense that obviously he's been able to hold on to

0:40:04.160 --> 0:40:08.120
<v Speaker 8>the reality on the Middle East enough that at least

0:40:08.120 --> 0:40:12.440
<v Speaker 8>the extreme Palestinian supporters think he's let them down. But

0:40:12.480 --> 0:40:14.640
<v Speaker 8>I must say he's been all over the place. He's

0:40:14.680 --> 0:40:16.880
<v Speaker 8>neither one thing nor the other on this. And because

0:40:16.880 --> 0:40:19.600
<v Speaker 8>of danger now it is, of course he'll go completely

0:40:19.640 --> 0:40:21.800
<v Speaker 8>the other way, push out towards the Greens, because he

0:40:21.880 --> 0:40:24.480
<v Speaker 8>knows how his own seat could potentially be under threat.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and we're already seeing him speak very vocally about

0:40:28.000 --> 0:40:31.480
<v Speaker 1>the housing issue, which is one area that the Greens

0:40:31.560 --> 0:40:35.480
<v Speaker 1>have dominated. Now it looks like the Prime Minister's pledge

0:40:35.560 --> 0:40:40.400
<v Speaker 1>to have a social media ban on mobile phones for

0:40:40.480 --> 0:40:43.240
<v Speaker 1>uzzie kids or up to the age of forteen or sixteen,

0:40:43.280 --> 0:40:47.800
<v Speaker 1>it's already hitting roadblocks. Reports that big tech companies aren't

0:40:47.960 --> 0:40:52.080
<v Speaker 1>very cooperative in trying to help labor navigate this. I mean,

0:40:52.120 --> 0:40:54.879
<v Speaker 1>Michael Kroiger, this isn't a surprise. This was always going

0:40:54.920 --> 0:40:57.200
<v Speaker 1>to be difficult and the problem is the Prime Minister

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<v Speaker 1>and Michelle Roland didn't start work on this until the

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<v Speaker 1>eleventh hour, when they could have been working on it

0:41:05.000 --> 0:41:07.359
<v Speaker 1>the entire year. They started working out they think they're

0:41:07.360 --> 0:41:09.120
<v Speaker 1>going to have this legislation in by the end of

0:41:09.160 --> 0:41:10.600
<v Speaker 1>the year. It's just not going to happen.

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<v Speaker 11>I think it's unlikely they'll get legislation before the Parliament

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<v Speaker 11>parsuitar of the Senate that's going to get passed, because,

0:41:19.360 --> 0:41:21.200
<v Speaker 11>as you say, it's been a rush, and these big

0:41:21.239 --> 0:41:22.760
<v Speaker 11>tech companies, they're not fools.

0:41:23.040 --> 0:41:24.680
<v Speaker 8>This is not the first government that's.

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<v Speaker 11>Tried to curtail air their activities and it won't be

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<v Speaker 11>the last. So these people are masters of the univers

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<v Speaker 11>as they say.

0:41:33.440 --> 0:41:33.520
<v Speaker 5>So.

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<v Speaker 11>I think Albanizi having made such a slow start, even

0:41:37.719 --> 0:41:39.920
<v Speaker 11>though his intentions and the intention of the federal government,

0:41:40.000 --> 0:41:43.400
<v Speaker 11>the state governments and all parties effectively agree with this,

0:41:43.800 --> 0:41:45.920
<v Speaker 11>that's something's got to be done. It's going to be

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<v Speaker 11>very hard to do it quickly. Albanesi hasn't shown the

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<v Speaker 11>propensity to be strong on issues, and you know, they'll

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<v Speaker 11>probably run the clock down until the election and try

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<v Speaker 11>and try their luck with the new Liberal government. But

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<v Speaker 11>I don't think they'll get fired with Peter Dutton either,

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<v Speaker 11>so I think it's just a matter of time, but

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<v Speaker 11>it may not be this year.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no, I agree, it's not going to be this year.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean their trial though. Sorry, the tender for the

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<v Speaker 1>company to run the trial doesn't even finish until well

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<v Speaker 1>into October, so the trial is not going to start

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<v Speaker 1>until mid October. There's no way they're going to have

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<v Speaker 1>legislation in by the end of the year if it

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<v Speaker 1>is based on that trial. Now, I want to end

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<v Speaker 1>with this really devastating story that Ben Fordham broke yesterday

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<v Speaker 1>morning on his show. This is about a little girl

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<v Speaker 1>called Charlotte, twelve years old. She took her own life

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<v Speaker 1>last Monday after relentless bullying at school. Now her parents

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<v Speaker 1>have set in a statement to Ben Fordham, we lost

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<v Speaker 1>our baby girl in the most awful circumstances. They said,

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<v Speaker 1>no words can ever describe what it's like for us

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<v Speaker 1>and life will never be the same again. Nick the

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<v Speaker 1>family are making this public. They've agreed for permission for

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<v Speaker 1>their daughter's photograph to be aired there, saying this is

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<v Speaker 1>what she was dealing with. But yet the school sounder

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<v Speaker 1>Sabina is refusing to really accept that this was a

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<v Speaker 1>case of bully.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, I mean, our thoughts and prayers go out to

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<v Speaker 8>the family. This is just terrible. He's never had covered

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<v Speaker 8>from this. It's a most horrible, horrible thing you can imagine.

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<v Speaker 8>But yeah, I mean, I think we haven't seen enough

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<v Speaker 8>action from the school. But I think this goes back

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<v Speaker 8>to the previous story on social media and smartphones, particularly,

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<v Speaker 8>evidence is there. It's in abundance that there has been

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<v Speaker 8>a big rise in teenage anxiety, in suicide, everything connect

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<v Speaker 8>mental illness, which started with the smartphone. Once kids have

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<v Speaker 8>got the smartphone and they could do all this stuff

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<v Speaker 8>on the mown. Now, I don't know in this case

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<v Speaker 8>whether that's a factor, but it's certainly a factor with

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<v Speaker 8>a lot of youth suicides, particularly girls as it happens.

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<v Speaker 8>The statistics are very clear on that. So this goes

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<v Speaker 8>to why Alban Easiest waited this long for something that

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<v Speaker 8>people knew was a problem years ago. In fact, the

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<v Speaker 8>coalition took a policy to the last election to deal

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<v Speaker 8>with this, and he's taken right till the end of

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<v Speaker 8>his term to try and rush something through which clearly

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<v Speaker 8>isn't thought through. The technology is not there, he doesn't

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<v Speaker 8>even know what age he wants is to kick in at.

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<v Speaker 8>So the priorities of the government are wrong. And I

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<v Speaker 8>really hope that the incoming government focuses on this very

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<v Speaker 8>very strongly.

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<v Speaker 1>And you're right social media plays such a big role

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<v Speaker 1>because before kids could go home from school, they'd have

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<v Speaker 1>at least a reprieve. But now the bullying follows the

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<v Speaker 1>kids on the phone, on the social media. They feel

0:44:33.160 --> 0:44:35.640
<v Speaker 1>like they can't escape at it and it can become

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<v Speaker 1>too overwhelming. And we should point out that if you

0:44:38.680 --> 0:44:41.640
<v Speaker 1>or anyone you know is in distress, Lifeline is on

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<v Speaker 1>thirteen eleven fourteen and Kids Help Line on one eight

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<v Speaker 1>hundred fifty five, one eight hundred. All right, Nick Cata

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<v Speaker 1>and Michael Kroger, great to see you both.

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<v Speaker 8>Thanks y.

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<v Speaker 1>Now after the break, Donald Trump is blaming Joe Biden

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<v Speaker 1>and Kamala Harris for inciting the second assassination attempt, once

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<v Speaker 1>again calling out their rhetoric. We'll got it live to

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<v Speaker 1>the US with Adam Crichton after the break. Welcome back.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Well, let's go live now to Washington and

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<v Speaker 1>bring in The Australians correspondent Adam Crichton, Adam, so much

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<v Speaker 1>news with the upcoming US presidential election. A shocking second

0:45:23.239 --> 0:45:27.520
<v Speaker 1>assassination attempt. We've now seen today the body cam footage

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<v Speaker 1>very dramatic of the moment that the cops arrested the

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<v Speaker 1>man who's now been charged. How did Donald Trump respond

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<v Speaker 1>to this today he spoke for the first time.

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<v Speaker 12>Yeah, Well, certainly the response has been very different from

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<v Speaker 12>the first assassination attempt, where he really reigned in his

0:45:46.160 --> 0:45:49.320
<v Speaker 12>rhetoric and he was more careful to not put blame

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<v Speaker 12>on the Democrats. But this time, certainly he's gone full throttle.

0:45:52.320 --> 0:45:54.960
<v Speaker 12>He's been extremely aggressive in saying that the reason for

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<v Speaker 12>this second attempt was the Democrat party rhetoric and that's

0:45:58.200 --> 0:46:01.360
<v Speaker 12>from Joe Biden and Kamala Harris down. So certainly a

0:46:01.480 --> 0:46:05.040
<v Speaker 12>very different response this time. Look, I mean, is that fair?

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe?

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<v Speaker 12>I mean both sides I think engage in this sort

0:46:08.640 --> 0:46:10.799
<v Speaker 12>of extreme rhetoric, and I think that's you know, that

0:46:10.920 --> 0:46:13.840
<v Speaker 12>is partly because there are very large differences now between

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<v Speaker 12>the two major political parties in the US, and they

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<v Speaker 12>also need to get their base out to vote.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, this is an assassination attempt. I think we

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<v Speaker 1>just in a sense have really undermined just how serious

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<v Speaker 1>this is trying to kill off a future president and

0:46:32.680 --> 0:46:35.560
<v Speaker 1>past president. Do you think that maybe some of the

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<v Speaker 1>leading political figures in the United States former presidents haven't

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<v Speaker 1>been as vocal about this as they should be.

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<v Speaker 12>Yeah, look, that's a very good point, show. I mean,

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<v Speaker 12>certainly the US does have a horrible history of political assassinations.

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<v Speaker 12>You know, way more in this country, I think than

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<v Speaker 12>other countries around the world, even per capita. And yes,

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<v Speaker 12>you're right. Look, I think you know, the former presidents

0:46:59.040 --> 0:47:01.600
<v Speaker 12>have not really said any think about this, I mean,

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<v Speaker 12>you know, and maybe that goes to the point that

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<v Speaker 12>Kamala Harra said that she was very glad that Donald

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<v Speaker 12>Trump was safe, but she also says that, you know

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<v Speaker 12>that he's an existential threat to democracy. So I mean,

0:47:11.719 --> 0:47:14.320
<v Speaker 12>can you believe both of those things at the same time.

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<v Speaker 12>You know, some Democrats liken him to Hitler. I mean,

0:47:17.480 --> 0:47:19.400
<v Speaker 12>you know, would you be happy if Hitler was still alive?

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<v Speaker 12>I don't think so. So I think there's a real

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<v Speaker 12>problem here with the rhetoric.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, the Secret Services once again under scrutiny, but Donald

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<v Speaker 1>Trump has thanked all the law enforcement officials. The thing

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<v Speaker 1>that concerned me though, is that there are reports of

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<v Speaker 1>this assassin was in the vicinity of the golf course

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<v Speaker 1>for some eleven hours before he was noticed. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>how does that happen, that there's someone driving around with

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<v Speaker 1>weapons for eleven hours before being picked up.

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<v Speaker 12>Yeah, look, it is extraordinary. I mean he was in

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<v Speaker 12>the city of the golf course. Well, actually in the

0:47:57.719 --> 0:48:01.160
<v Speaker 12>same spot. That's what the FBI said press conference earlier,

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<v Speaker 12>and that's why he brought packs of food. Apparently the

0:48:04.640 --> 0:48:07.400
<v Speaker 12>backpacks of course. Well, I mean one of the mysteries

0:48:07.560 --> 0:48:10.400
<v Speaker 12>was that Trump's arrival at the course was not on

0:48:10.440 --> 0:48:12.799
<v Speaker 12>his public schedule. He doesn't have a public schedule, and

0:48:12.840 --> 0:48:15.320
<v Speaker 12>so I guess this guy Routh was just waiting around

0:48:15.360 --> 0:48:17.920
<v Speaker 12>for that twelve hours until he arrived. I mean, everyone

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<v Speaker 12>knows that Trump likes to play golf. Was on the weekend,

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<v Speaker 12>that's when Trump does play golf, So look, he was

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<v Speaker 12>just waiting around.

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<v Speaker 6>I Mean.

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<v Speaker 12>The one crazy thing about this guy is his age.

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<v Speaker 12>I think he was fifty eight. Like, that's a really

0:48:30.800 --> 0:48:33.399
<v Speaker 12>old would be assassin, don't you think. I Mean, most

0:48:33.400 --> 0:48:35.759
<v Speaker 12>people tend to calm down as they get older, but

0:48:36.400 --> 0:48:38.479
<v Speaker 12>certainly not this guy who's you know, whose social media

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<v Speaker 12>posts actually reflected all the Democrat talking points.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Adam Crichton, we're out of time. Thanks for

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<v Speaker 1>joining me. I'll see you tomorrow at eight o'clock. Right now,

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<v Speaker 1>here's Paul