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Speaker 1: Before we begin. This episode has some coarse language, mostly

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Speaker 1: because of me from The Australian. This is the weekend

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Speaker 1: edition of The Front. I'm Claire Harvey. Three weeks ago,

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Speaker 1: our chief sportswriter slash Sex and the City megafan Jess

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Speaker 1: Halleran joined me for an episode we called.

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Speaker 2: Why is and just like that? So Terrible?

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Speaker 1: One week later, show creator Michael Patrick King took to

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Speaker 1: Instagram announcing that while writing the final episode of season three,

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Speaker 1: it became clear to him that this might be a

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Speaker 1: wonderful place to stop. I call bulldust and we just

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Speaker 1: had to get Jess back in for some answers to

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Speaker 1: the biggest questions of our time? Who really killed this show?

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Speaker 1: When did Carrie become so horrible? How could they think

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Speaker 1: the main character ending up a lonely widow was a

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Speaker 1: satisfying ending?

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Speaker 3: The big Christian is who gave Miranda a lobotomy?

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Speaker 2: Like and just like that and just like that is over?

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Speaker 1: So what are we going to hate watch now? Michael

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Speaker 1: Patrick King's statement needs a serious unpacking. We brought our

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Speaker 1: producer Jasper leik In to read Michael Patrick King's statement.

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Speaker 4: Okay, and just like that The ongoing storytelling of the

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Speaker 4: Sex and the City universe is coming to an end.

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Speaker 4: While I was writing the last episode of And just

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Speaker 4: like that season three, it became clear to me that

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Speaker 4: this might be a wonderful place to stop. Along with

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Speaker 4: Sarah Jessica Parker, Casey Bloyse, and Sarah Aubrey, we decided

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Speaker 4: to end the popular series this year just Remember the

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Speaker 4: Popular Series bit with a two part finale and extended

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Speaker 4: the original series order from ten episodes to twelve.

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Speaker 5: SJ.

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Speaker 4: I held off announcing the news until now because we

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Speaker 4: didn't want the word final to overshadow the fun of

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Speaker 4: watching the season. It's with great gratitude. We thank all

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Speaker 4: the viewers who have let these characters into their homes

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Speaker 4: and their hearts over these many years.

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Speaker 5: Michael Patrick King.

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Speaker 4: So I've grabbed a few responses to that post from Instagram.

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Speaker 4: The first one is from g SAG Popular Series four

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Speaker 4: question marks, OMG, the delusion. Sex and the City was

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Speaker 4: a popular series and this is a shadow of that series.

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Speaker 5: It's the generic brand.

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Speaker 4: It sucked and it only became popular because people will

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Speaker 4: hate watching it so they can talk about it on

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Speaker 4: their podcasts.

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Speaker 2: So true, so true.

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Speaker 1: This is a great contribution to debate it's it spawned

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Speaker 1: a whole cottage industry of people talking about that terrible,

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Speaker 1: including us.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean we are living proof of g SAgs

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Speaker 4: wisdom right now. Next one is from Justin Dipierro. We

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Speaker 4: don't want it to and we want it to be better.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I truly agree. I would keep watching it.

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Speaker 3: I suspect that this came to quite a sharp end.

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Speaker 3: The penultimate episode was only twenty eight minutes, like, that

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Speaker 3: doesn't make sense to me. And also a lot of

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Speaker 3: that was taken up via a weird pis sing and

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Speaker 3: Thanksgiving hot so you think it's actually a mercy killing

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Speaker 3: someone at HBO has gone absolutely just so much money

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Speaker 3: has been spent. The production values on these just enormous,

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Speaker 3: which is why it's so easy to hate watch because

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Speaker 3: it's so beautiful.

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Speaker 1: Right, it has been a flop as well, you know,

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Speaker 1: in terms of numbers. It has not delivered the business

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Speaker 1: that HBO was hoping.

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Speaker 3: No, you can't invest in the story. I am not moved.

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Speaker 3: Like when you watch Sex in the City, you would

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Speaker 3: be completely moved by an episode. You could be in tears,

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Speaker 3: for example, whereas this I cannot There's too many new

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Speaker 3: characters I'm not invested enough in. And then Carry's not

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Speaker 3: the same. Rand is not the same, Charlotte's not the same.

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Speaker 3: They're all like a shell of themselves.

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Speaker 2: Yeah ways or not themselves. And there's no real drama.

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Speaker 1: You know, nobody actually dies apart from a big who

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Speaker 1: presumably they just didn't want to pay.

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Speaker 3: And he also had the misconduct allegations too, so he's

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Speaker 3: voluntarily canceled.

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Speaker 2: What did he supposedly do.

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Speaker 3: I think it was an allegation of sexual harassment.

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Speaker 2: But that's very in character. They should have gone with that.

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Speaker 1: In the first episode they describe him as the new

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump.

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Speaker 2: You know, yes, I think they needed to.

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Speaker 1: Kill Harry, Charlotte's husband. He's a drop anyway, the cancer

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Speaker 1: could have been terminal.

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Speaker 2: Then they would have developed an actual storyline.

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Speaker 1: Someone's kid could have moved to Africa instead of just

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Speaker 1: becoming a you know, having a boyfriend who was a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know.

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Speaker 1: The plot twists are so low stakes that he just

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Speaker 1: something where drama happens, and then people can react to that.

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Speaker 1: It's probably hard to be a good actor when you're

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Speaker 1: reacting to you can't get a pie order in?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and then this novel about the Woman that's another

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Speaker 3: Debbie downer.

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Speaker 2: It really was. It's like every time she was typing

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Speaker 2: about the woman, I was like, no, no more woman,

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Speaker 2: no stop stop.

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Speaker 1: Well it was better than the podcast that she had

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Speaker 1: for shadyeas that's the people called in for advice about

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Speaker 1: sex and stuff.

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Speaker 5: Another comment, this one's from mister teddy Bear.

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Speaker 2: Girl, is that you?

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Speaker 5: That's my fin stup? Now? Can you just release a

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Speaker 5: series only about Samantha in London?

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Speaker 2: Actually enjoy what ab I call? Oh my god? Hire

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Speaker 2: that mister Yeah, only crap. Mister teddy Bear knows what

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Speaker 3: I feel like Kim Kacharll's got that in her.

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Speaker 1: She would like, go sure, yeah. That's the other thing

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Speaker 1: about Michael P. King saying I've decided to win this.

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Speaker 1: There is no way he would have decided independently to

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Speaker 1: win this show because he's never shown any ability to

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Speaker 1: resist the money. That's the difference about Kim Cattrall. Right,

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Speaker 1: she was like, there's no amount of money you can

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Speaker 1: it's just completely out of character for him. To voluntarily

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Speaker 5: That's a good segue to the next one from Daniel R. Clark.

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Speaker 4: MPK has blood on his hands for this. He is

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Speaker 4: ultimately accountable for the poor quality of the writing and

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Speaker 4: disjointed plot lines. Yes, he was brilliant with SATC, but

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Speaker 4: I couldn't help. But wonder if someone else run the

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Speaker 5: Wow, blood on his hands.

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Speaker 2: That's a little bit much.

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Speaker 3: It's pretty heavy, but if you go and listen to

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Speaker 3: their podcast you can see they live in a little

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Speaker 5: One of my favorite scenes of all time, carrying Miranda

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Speaker 2: I've just been weeding the entire party. Can we talk

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Speaker 1: The Sex and the City premise is that even though

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Speaker 1: it's difficult, the main character is still believed in love

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Speaker 1: and they still wanted to end up with someone, And

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Speaker 1: just like that has ended with Carrie finding peace in

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Speaker 1: being by herself, dumping a perfectly good boyfriend in Aiden,

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Speaker 1: having a fling with this very unattractive English doorg who

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Speaker 1: by him. And then it's like, well, why doesn't the

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Speaker 1: world understand that it's okay for me to be alone. Well,

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Speaker 1: I don't want to sound like a trad wife here.

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Speaker 1: It actually isn't the point of life to ultimately end

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but is it a statement that it is okay

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Speaker 3: in this day and age to be by yourself, that

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Speaker 3: your friends are your family and you don't need somebody

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Speaker 3: else to build you up. And maybe it is the

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Speaker 3: ultimate feminist statement that women can do it all by

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Speaker 3: themselves and you can be okay alone. But for me,

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Speaker 3: everybody wanted to end up with somebody like this is

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Speaker 3: why we watch TV. We want the happy ending. I

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Speaker 2: Maybe just me. Full stop.

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Speaker 1: You are so fabulous.

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Speaker 2: Oh well that was never in question.

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Speaker 1: She doesn't make being alone look that fabulous. She's hanging

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Speaker 1: seem to be doing things that actually make her happy,

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Speaker 1: and she doesn't seem happy. She's turned into a complete bitch.

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Speaker 1: She's really depressed.

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Speaker 2: It is a downer.

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Speaker 3: The only thing that leaves you up are the clothes.

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Speaker 2: You're like, what's she.

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Speaker 3: Wearing, and then if you compare her to Sex and

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Speaker 3: the City carry, this is a completely different person. Of course,

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Speaker 3: people change in life, right, but I would say most

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Speaker 2: I agree.

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Speaker 1: The great thing about Carrie was her laugh, her smile.

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Speaker 1: She was so infectious and so lighthearted all the time.

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Speaker 1: Even when things were difficult, she could pull herself out

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Speaker 2: Do you know when I first moved to New York

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Speaker 1: And just like that, the first episode was a funeral,

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Speaker 1: and over three seasons we've kind of seen her pull

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Speaker 1: Do you think they know that, the show creators, or

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Speaker 1: is it a reflection of where Sarah Jessica Parker maybe

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I've listened to a lot of the

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Speaker 3: Writer's Ram podcasts Michael Patrick King, and he's cast of

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Speaker 2: Look they're not They're not amazing talented writers.

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Speaker 3: They're terrible, but there is still sparks of great writing

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Speaker 1: One shouldn't have sacked all those people and hied Lena Dunham.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the quality of the writing you can see, say

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Speaker 3: in Seema and Adam's relationship. But the problem is we're

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Speaker 3: not watching this for them. So even though you've got

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Speaker 1: No, they haven't done good enough character development on those people.

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Speaker 1: I think, like, we don't know anything about Seema's backstory,

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Speaker 1: where did she grow up, how did she make her money,

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Speaker 1: why is she single? And Adam's a gardener who just

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Speaker 1: all they've done to establish him.

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Speaker 2: As a character. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And Lisa Todd Wexley's dad died twice.

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Speaker 1: So they introduce her as a character who's mourning her father. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and then three years later, Oh.

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Speaker 2: Here's a great plot twist. Let's have her father die.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll have a funeral.

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Speaker 2: That is inexcusable.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you can sort of see where their heads are at,

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Speaker 3: particularly Patrick King, who in one of the podcast episodes

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Speaker 3: long it took to make that puppet?

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Speaker 2: Please?

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Speaker 3: Seven months? It took seven months. I could have made

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Speaker 2: It is possible to wreck your original creation. What comes next?

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Speaker 3: We've got Heavily Thomas, Yeah, I think we should get Heaviier.

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Speaker 3: He's had enough murders.

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Speaker 2: No, it's you I feel like it's you.

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Speaker 3: No, of course not. It's like something you can put

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Speaker 3: it's over. It's done. Even though we've enjoyed hate watching it,

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Speaker 2: What are we going to hate watch now? Emily in Paris?

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Speaker 2: Emily in Paris is what it is?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 2: It is.

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Speaker 3: It's just silly. It's amazing, incredibly stupid. You know, you

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Speaker 3: know what we call I don't know, maybe real Housewives.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, who'll take it? Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Jess Hallerin is The Australian's chief sports writer and she

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Speaker 1: just won a LOGI for her amazing documentary about Tennis

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Speaker 1: Clayer Yolana Dokitch. You can read Jess's work anytime at

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Speaker 2: Check out Head.

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Speaker 1: This episode of the Front was hosted by me Claire

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Speaker 1: Harvey and produced by Jasper Leek, who edited the episode

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Speaker 1: the Front this week. Our team also includes Kristin Amiot,

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